Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - EDWARD FURLONG: Hitting Rock Bottom, Rediscovering the Joy in Living Sober & Taking Terminator for Granted

Episode Date: April 2, 2024

Edward Furlong (The Terminator, American History X) joins us this week to share his journey with addiction and the rock-bottom he hit that allowed him to get clean and re-discover the joys of a sober life. Edward shares fond memories with cast and crew while filming The Terminator franchise - all the while, acknowledging how he took it for granted in his youth. We also talked about going from teenage heartthrob to parent of a teenager, breaking the chain of generational trauma, and what Edward still wants to prove to himself. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🚗 NHTSA: https://www.nhtsa.gov __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum and Ryan Teyes is here. I am here. There he is. There he is. Hey guys, thanks so much for, uh, spend another week with me. If you don't know Edward Furlong and you're here to listen to the interview and learn something, you're in a good place and, uh, you've come to the right place. So I'm, um, I'm very, um, happy that you're here.

Uh, if you missed last week, I suggest you, uh, go listen to because it was really good. There's a lot of great ones coming up. And if you want to support the podcast, which I can't do it without my patrons, join Patreon, patron, patreon.com slash inside of you. Give back to the show if you can. And we'll keep this sucker going. It's a little show that keeps on moving. And I appreciate you. If you want to go to my Instagram at the Michael Rosenbaum, go to my link tree. You can find cameos, cons that we're doing. We're doing a con in a smallville con. It's the first time ever. Creation's throwing it. It's in October in New Jersey. Tickets are selling like hotcakes. Tom and I are. going to do smallville nights which is a some reading and fun with the fans a lot of stuff there and uh we're going to be doing a live podcast too so you're going to want to get tickets to that just check my link tree out for all the information and the inside of you online store for great merch lexmas scripts uh ship keys all that ryan you uh you uh you canceled therapy today because

you had to get here to record because they didn't tell you i did but i appreciate you doing that thank you yeah doesn't happen often but yeah i was alarmed when you He said, I'll see you here tomorrow at 2.30. We're like, what? No, I'm not. I'm not coming. What do you mean? I was like, yeah.

Maybe I, because Kevin Smith rescheduled. So I had to, I just forgot to tell you that he changed. It's right. I'll work out my brain on Monday. And I should probably do morning sessions anyway. I feel better about those. Yeah. I feel like, it was a 4.15 in the afternoon.

And I feel like I'm always like shoehorning it into like the middle of like a hectic day anyway. Yeah. Today, yeah. Well, anyway, we're here. I rescheduled and everything's fine. And I appreciate that. And you're going to therapy on Monday. I am going to therapy on Monday.

I like hearing that. We got a great podcast for you today. Edward Furlong from Terminator. This guy, talk about a guest who puts it out, puts it out there, puts it all out on the table. I was so intrigued and so moved by this interview. And I truly appreciate him stopping. by and being so open with you know i met him on a car ride a two hour car ride from the airport to a con and uh kind of hit it off and i was like man i'd love to have you on the podcast he's

like sure man and it comes over and uh he just throws it all out there and uh i really think you're going to like this podcast a lot of stuff to talk about and uh quick quick you got throw it in cheap plug is it called a cheap plug or a today it is it's called rosy's puppy fresh breath. It's my new pet product that my friend Tom and I created and you can get it on Amazon. You just put a little cat full in your dog's water and the breath is so much better and it's

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Rocket Money. Well, we're here. What's up, man? We met, I think we had seen each other around. And then we're doing a convention. And they said we're going to be picked up. And it's going to be about a 45 minute drive. and it was about a two and a half hour drive from Boston to Rhode Island, me and you.

Yeah. Yeah. And you were just, we were just sitting there and it's like, I guess we got to talk. But it was easy. You were just so, you know, open and fun and really nice. And like you're the girl in the back, she was like a handler. And you were just like, everybody, it was just, I was like, this guy's a good guy. I think you've been around the block.

You've been there. You've dealt with the fame. You've dealt with all the bullshit. And it just came across as he's just him now. he's just kind of found himself is that is that accurate yeah man i you know i mean honestly i don't know i'm always constantly finding myself more you know but uh you know i feel i feel like the most sort of centered than i've ever felt my life now i think you know like uh yeah in a way you're right i've kind of been through it you know ups and downs and it's like

i don't know it's like when you've been through enough in life it's like nothing phases you anymore yeah i guess so i mean like we all have our shit everybody has their shit but like do you feel like that do you feel like i have been so low that you can't hurt me anymore that i am i'm just sort of or or do you still feel vulnerable do you still feel like no you're sensitive no dude like honestly that's uh i mean something that's changed over the last 10 years or so dude it's like at this point i'm like it takes a lot to affect me. I mean, I used to get upset, you know, I used to kind of, you know, I don't know,

just kind of like get really upset at a lot of small things once in a while, or I kind of like holding anger. I was kind of one of those people and then it just kind of pops out. Do you have a bad, do you have an anger side? I do. I do. It doesn't come out on other people, but it kind of comes. out on my on myself a lot i mean i guess it does it does i i mean i can be kind of a nasty person

sometimes and say some nasty things but like um i don't know dude like actually ever since i've been sober it's weird man i have not gotten angry or and i mean i've had a lot of shitty and how many years uh like five and a half it's gonna be well it's gonna be uh six uh uh uh this this February wow but it's weird man like I I used to be really affected by a lot of things I don't know if it's because I'm just kind of numb from just a bunch of shit that happened to me years ago or if it's the sobriety but whatever it is man it's like you know I react more without like freaking out and I just kind of like sort of just kind of just kind of just go with it I guess you know yeah and you don't I guess do you notice a big difference by not

drinking just that you're saying the way you respond to people the way you respond to situations do you like doing the cons I do actually at first um it was a little strange because I had never done it before I guess but yeah I mean now I sort of uh I mean you know the cheesy like I I do like kind of being able to see the fans. I think it's nice for them, you know, like, and it's nice. I mean, even if I don't fully understand it 100%, I think it's really nice to be able to make people happy, you know, and see that in person.

Do people come up to you and- And make money, that's good too. Yeah. Yeah. Do you make, do people get emotional ever in front of you? Sometimes. And how do you deal with that? that um are you pretty good with that soak it in i let my ego grow more you know do you ever get

emotional or like because someone really says something that really affects you i mean because i've talked about my sobriety and shit a lot so when fans come up to me and they're like you know i i heard you on a podcast or whatever and you know you help me get sober that always makes me really really happy yeah i always like that you know it's weird because when you're an actor you know and i i don't really know how to do anything else you know but it's like when you're an actor it's like you sometimes wonder like am i doing anything that's extraordinary extraordinary or like you know it's it's it seems i don't know it seems trivial but then you see the people that it affects and you have to have some i guess humility or some sort of weird understanding that

okay i may think it's this but it's a connection to other people could people can people connect to whatever it is you're doing and you're part of that whole i mean your story is pretty incredible i mean i don't know what i would have done if i landed a movie like terminator when i was 14 years old i i was the most immature kid i'm still i'm 51 and people think dude you act like a 12 year old yeah you know so i can't imagine ryan just nods his head dick but um i just can't imagine it's like and you came from you you're uh poor growing up yeah yeah i mean that was like you know i mean i feel like it's it's funny like i um yeah my my parents weren't in the business no one you know whatever i grew up in highland park well you know highland parks changed a lot

but it was you know different back then and um you know i did i have a i had a pretty crazy childhood you know growing up um when i look back now it was like wow what the fuck but i mean i guess it was all happening but yes i think like when you're that age like i would not recommend it to my my kid my kid doesn't want to do anything with acting anyway so that's right that's good it's a lot you know like i guess when you're when you're older you kind of understand things more and understand how you know uh the business works and also that we all get dealt a certain you know certain cards yeah and that you know some of us are more fortunate or less fortunate than others and and you look back a lot of it like i always say i'm having this

i'm dealing with this thing with my family right now where um you know there wasn't that unconditional love there wasn't i'm proud of you you're a good kid you're going to be this i know you bought there wasn't any any zero none of that yeah so it doesn't matter if you grew up rich or poor if you don't have that you're probably not going to end up chances are you're going to end up kind of a fuck up if you don't have that you're going to seek it in different places and you know and did you did you get that um so it's like you know when i started terminator i'd essentially just ran away from home at that point so at 14 13 13 you ran away from home and they didn't come looking for you later on i mean it's it's it's complicated it's complicated

It's really complicated. And, you know, actually, like, I've built a wonderful relationship with my mom now, you know. That's great. But, yeah, I mean, there was so many circumstances. There was, you know, I don't know. Yeah. I mean, there was abuse. There was, like, you know, addiction in my family.

There was, you know, mental illness. There was a lot. There was a lot. And, yeah, I think you're kind of. you know primed when that's i mean that's when you're developing and that's all you know and all you know you're a product of your own environment a hundred percent a hundred percent i 100 percent know that yeah and that's hard but but the different it sounds like your mom i'm assuming since you have a great relationship has apologized for all these things yes she acknowledges it yes yes and we've we've talked

And she's, I mean, my mom had me when she was 17 years old, you know what I mean? And I had an alcoholic, you know, stepdad and all this stuff. And I used to hold on to a lot of anger at it for a long time. I think in a lot of ways because I did, like, want to have something to blame my drug use. drug use or my my my own problems on you know what I mean that's why I'm like that it's not my fault yeah yeah we all do that and then one day we're like how long can we do this for 100% yeah you know it's like are we going to live our life or are we going to live in the past because that's what I had been doing for a long time yeah so all the things I would do I'm like well it's because this

that's because this it's like you're accountable yeah and it's like your whole identity becomes that you're like broken yeah you know what I mean and uh yeah exactly and that took me a long fucking time to get to the point where I was like you know better though you know I mean you know better and you've learned and um thank God that you know I had some good people in my life and uh you know it's like uh yeah but But that was like my whole identity. And as time went on, I understand my parents more than I did back then, which is, you know, they were broken.

They were coming from, like, fucked up situations. You know, there was a lot of terrible things happening in my family at the time. We all mess up, you know. I mean, the fact is I think learning that, you know, I got addicted to heroin, you know. Oh, man. I got addicted to heroin back in my 20s, like back in the early 2000s. I got addicted for like a couple of years, stopped, didn't get fully sober, just kind of like coasted for a while, started messing with Coke and shit again.

I was a heroin act, you know, when I had my kid, you know what I mean? So it's like I started realizing like none of us are perfect. and we all like make big mistakes and um you know just kind of a i don't know yeah humility i guess because it's like you know uh there's so much to the story yeah and it's like you know you get addicted to something and then you you know what you're doing is not good yes and you feel shame and so the darkness gets really dark and so you disappear in this drug or whatever and It feels, you know, I'm dealing with a close, close person in my life that, you know, they're like, but when I'm drunk, I don't feel it.

I'm like, it's a depressant. So you feel it worse after, which makes you probably want to kill yourself or get lower than low. Yeah. And like, why are you doing this? Let me help. Let me, you know. And ultimately, as much as I've tried, I've taken a step back where I have to take care of myself. I can't worry about you all the time.

and you proverbial you has to do it yourself you have to hit and i always say it sucks because most people stop doing this shit when they hit rock bottom yeah with drugs alcohol any kind of addiction it's not just whatever but like usually you do the same shit until you hit your rock bottom but nobody knows what that rock bottom's going to be and it could be far down and if it's down enough it may be irreversible and what i mean is you know you can inadvertently kill someone you could do you you're not thinking properly and I'm like why are you waiting to you not you but why are you waiting and it's just I guess the pain so bad that it's just like I have to do this I have to feel good at least part of the day I have to feel is is that what you experienced I mean

were you sort of yeah I mean I guess like when I got back into heroin it was uh it was like a choice I was angry I was angry at like a lot of terrible circumstances things that were happening in my life and I was like fuck it I don't give a shit I made a choice and I'm just going to shoot heroin and I don't care anymore and that was like my thing and I'm thankful

to heroin in a weird way man because it kind of helped me I don't know what would have happened to me if I didn't have it at that time you know I was really just really stressed out you know i was going through like a custody battle and all this just crazy shit so i just was

like i don't know how i would have how else i would have dealt with it you know so is an escape it was it was like a fuck it was definitely like a arrest stop from like my incessant worrying and um you know so it automatically when you're do i've never done heroin but like when you do heroin but like when you do heroin, it literally, do you just, you can't function? You just fall asleep or you're just out of it or you just don't think about anything that bothers you. It's like complete, complete like bliss. It just makes you not care. Like the worst things in the world could be happening to you and you're just like, that's fine. Whatever, you know, because you just, your body feels so good. Your mind is numb from everything around you. You're, yeah, I mean, it's,

you start losing that feeling as you go along and then you start just doing it to feel normal but at first um yeah i mean i was coming out of my skin i was so worried and stressed out and everything like panic attacks you panic attacks dude and you weren't doing therapy you weren't doing any of those things you weren't you were just trying to disappear i don't need this shit i'm I'm going to get lost in this. I don't care about myself. In fact, you probably were like, if I die, I die. 100%, you know, like I wasn't, I've never been, like, suicidal to the point where it's

like I would actually do it. I just more like an ideal, you know, I've had that ideulation. If it happens, I'm like, yeah, you know. And I don't mind, I don't mind pushing that forward a little bit, you know. But, yeah. Like, I, I, as time went on, I just started realizing that a lot of time it went by. It was like four years and it just, I wasn't doing anything. I was numb.

And unfortunately, like, yeah, the girl that I was with at the time, like, she was strung out to. I felt really responsible for that. So I just realized, dude, like. I just, I didn't want to be that anymore. You know, a lot of it started, well, I miss my son and also like, yeah, I just didn't want, I realized that I was a toxic. I was being toxic. I was a toxic person to be around just by learning that if this girl was not with me,

she probably wouldn't be a heroin addict. You know what I mean? So I was like, sure. I just remember, like, thinking, actually, it's pretty funny. Like, there was the first time, one of the first time, one of the. first times I had that realization, we were like in an acid trip. And I was like peeking out or whatever. And I'm like, we don't need to do these drugs anymore. I'm done. And I like fucking grabbed all the heroin and everything and flushed it down the toilet. And she's like,

what are you doing? What the fuck? And I'm like, trust me, man. We're just not going to do it. And of course, like when the heroin, when the acid started wearing off, I'm like, fuck, do we have any heroin? What did I do? And she's like, you flushed it. And I was like, oh, man, dude. Yeah. But I mean, it took a little while. There was like me, I really did want to get clean.

Yeah. And, you know, it took a little while for it to actually happen. But what was the, was there one thing or was it a bunch of things or what was the connection? It takes sometimes, I guess, a sort of a will, you know, obviously. But there's something, is there something that happened to you that it clicked and And you just thought, I'm done. Just looking at her, looking at myself, just what I was becoming.

I wanted it. I just, I, like you said, you have to hit rock bottom. And I think I really hit rock bottom, you know, we were living in like, filth, dude. I mean, and we were, we were just doing the same thing every day, just going to get drugs, coming back, getting high. Probably dangerous, too, around dangerous people. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes. I mean, like, from what I've heard, like, a lot of those people aren't even alive anymore. Like, it's, um, and then, like, basically, uh, it's funny, you know, I was on probation

already and, um, we actually decided to go get clean and, uh, fuck, I don't know. It's like Northern California somewhere. So we drove up there and, um, we're like, we're just going to stay in this hotel and just get completely clean and uh of course we brought our last shots of heroin but it was a lot of heroin so we were like just like shooting heroin up there and then um and then and then yeah we ran out so we were just in bed and we were we were kicking and it was awful and um then this person knocks on our door and she's like i'm sorry you guys need to move to another hotel room because whatever i don't even know and I can barely move or like day two into kicking you can't move at all dude like it's awful

when you say kicking it means withdrawal withdrawing withdrawing it's awful dude it's awful and the last thing you want to do and plus my no motivation nothing you just have to just get through it and my girlfriend she um she uh she like is one of those people that just like packs so many fucking bags you know what i mean and there's like shit everywhere so i'm like fucking I try to go to the bed and I'm like, Monica, wake up, wake up, wake up. And she's like, no. So I had to like pack it all up. And I'm like, you know, out of my mind, just dying, sweating, you know, muscle spasms.

In front of this person? No, no, no, no. The person goes. I'm like, all right, give me like 30 minutes. So I like lug everything to the car. And finally, I just like thought I cleaned everything up. So I'm like, okay, let's go. We got to go to this other hotel room.

So I get her out of bed. And we go to this. other hotel room and just lay down there and then we get another knock on the door and they're like you guys need to leave because we found some syringes in the room so I was like fuck and I'm like I don't want the last thing I want to do is drive so we got in the car I look up hotels that are like near us so we moved we go to this is a long story no we we go to this other we I'm like this this hotel down the street so we go to this other hotel and uh i'm at this point just like i say you go in you check us in i'm just going to sit in the car and there's this cop and he comes and he's

like looking around and then he comes out and he starts kind of just like harassing her and like you know do you have any drugs on you or anything like that and um and you didn't at this point right no no no no we didn't we just had you just did them we just did him and we just did him and And we just had, yeah, that was it. That was it. She had some medications, I guess, that were, like, unmarked or whatever. But it was, like, regular stuff. She had never been used to getting arrested, so this kind of freaked her out, which kind of probably made the situation a little worse.

But then I was intervening, and the cop was just a dick to me. And he's like, you know, so then he handcuffs me. And then he's like, I'm taking you guys to jail. And I'm already on probation. And if I break that probation for anything, I'm going back to jail for a long time. And I'm like, fuck, man. And so we were, we brought to jail.

I bailed out, like, the next day. And essentially, like, yeah. So I was kind of like, I guess you could say sort of a fugitive. Like, I mean, I just was like, you know, at my house and my, my parole officer called me is like what the fuck blah blah well you didn't have anything yeah it's like a whole thing and then i got in touch with uh a lawyer lawyer named sarah zari and she like worked it out that i would just have to go to rehab for uh six months wow and uh and then i would not have to go to jail or anything. Thank God. And so, and I don't know how she worked. She was amazing. She got it so my

probation would be dropped and everything if I just went to rehab for six months. I had never been in rehab for that long. And by the time six months came around, I didn't even want to leave. I just stayed another six months. So I stayed there like a full year. And I mean, I was scared. I remember like when the six months came along i was like dude i don't want to go back and fall back into that shit so i'm just going to stay here until i and so your girlfriend she um she fell out and that was awful because yeah we still are we're very very close and um she's sober now but uh yeah she she fell off she got kicked out of the rehab yeah but i stayed you know six months. And when was that? That was like 2018. And that did it. That did it. That did it. Like when I had that

much time away from all of that, and I had never gotten that much time. I mean, I stopped Aaron, but I would just do other drugs. And I don't know. It just, after that amount of time, I feel like you start realizing that life, I don't know. I thought drugs, like an alcohol and all that shit was going to be um i thought life was going to be really lame without all of that for some reason you know um but it's like you start realizing like shit we were living life and life was great before all that shit came into it you know and uh you start getting that feeling again yeah so that's amazing no you said that's the story's too long it's it's almost cinematic you know what i mean it's like i'm thinking god write this shit down man and tell

your story and like use that as a vehicle for you know helping other people and because those stories are so visceral and real i could i just could see the cop there watching i could see her going in and she looks a little out of it and you know this car full of the suitcases and packed in and you're just out of your mind you're like oh fuck and then like you run to the cop you're like that's like a eight to 10 minutes scene of just fucking intensity. And then the fact that you want to stay another six months, I never really heard that.

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you do yeah i really do um and i feel like uh that whole experience kind of made me have more of uh appreciation for it too because it's a rad job dude i mean it's it's nice i mean i don't know if easy's the word for it but i mean compared to a lot of other shitty jobs it's like it's you know it's got long hours but i love it i love it i love it i uh i think anyone who gets to do what they love for a job or and basically you know is blessed you know do you yeah do you still get to like with your history and everybody knowing your history and you're an open book which i really commend commend you for uh do you think that hinders a lot of people from hiring you oh fuck yeah still to this day like he's unreliable i

you know that we're not going to deal with that and your agents are like no he's been sober almost six years he doesn't do that shit anymore he's a professional he's a different person give him a chance you know do you have to fight that a lot yes yeah i don't know why but i thought okay i'm going to get sober everything's just going to start picking back up again whatever and um because yeah like before i went to started on this run things were going pretty good but uh yeah i got out i mean even my represented like my my manager mark who um has represented me most of my career was like I don't want to deal with this because I mean

and I just like even just getting his trust back and you know and then we're like in a fucking pandemic so all that. And then we're like in a strike you know I've gotten you know at the very least like you know interests from like you know different people that I really respect

as filmmakers and stuff like that so you know again I'm not like future trips. tripping over it. I feel like if I have like what I need right now, I'm going to do like a movie here in L.A. just for like a couple weeks and I don't know. That's what it is. It's what it is, dude. Yeah, like I, as long as I'm not like homeless and, uh, you know, um, doing something you love. Yeah, I'm doing something I love. So it's like if, you know, I'm, I'm okay, dude. that's another thing that I've learned to do is just like literally it could be down because there

were times when especially during the pandemic I ran through my whole savings you know and uh it was getting it was getting kind of sketchy dude like I was like sitting there and I'm like how the fuck am I going to pay my rent you know and I was able to do it I don't know if I pulled shit out of my ass or what but I was able to do it but I just kept to ground myself I kept saying like well you know you got food on your table you got a roof over your head you got a car you know that those things are enough you have what you're going to the conge you're making some extra money you're doing this yeah so just bring myself to right now you know and it's probably i mean you look it's like probably humbling and like okay now i know like before you're making tons of money and you're

like on the marquee and you're like you know all these things and then it's like you hit this low point and you're like thank god you got out of it miraculously yeah and now you're getting back on your feet and you're kind of trying to build up that trust and and say hey i'm i'm back i'm here you know i could still do what i've always done this has been my blessing my gift and now i want to use it again yeah yeah you know what i mean i don't know dude yeah like i haven't been um worried about it I would have been stressed out so much about it and worrying myself crazy. But again, it's like, after everything that I'd been through, I'm sort of like, I can handle it.

That's the vibe I got from you when I met you, just like, hey, he's just, he's going with the flow. Do you still, do you go to therapy? No. No, I want to, though. I want to. Yeah. It changed my life. I just look, I always say, look,

do whatever works for you but like just talking to someone you feel like Ryan and I've talked about it's like when we start we had nothing to say I don't fight this is a waste 10 15 minutes in you're talking about something that bothers you or you're talking about how my some of the feelings or whatever or this and just talking to somebody who's objective and you know has your best interests in hand it's just you know it's it's amazing it's worked wonders for me like uh I bet just listening to somebody you know and i've really wanted to like i haven't never done it i have but i've never put myself into it because i um maybe it wasn't the right therapist for the right yes that could be you could yet you know if not you switch yeah i and i just i'm not very trusting of people you know

what i mean so these people can't do talk about any of your shit yeah i understand you can tell them your darkest shit you can talk about prostate shit you could talk about whatever the fuck you want and they are there to help, unless you're like, well, I think I want to kill somebody. And you're like, okay, I got to call the cops. Yeah. Unless it's that, you could tell them your deepest, whatever, man, and slowly get there. And you don't have to. Yeah.

But I'm just saying, like, I mean, because, you know, you deal with anxiety and stuff. Have you been on, like, antidepressants or anti-exiety? Yeah, I'm on anti-anxiety. Like, I take Welb uterin and. And that helps? Yeah, it does. It does. It does.

And, yeah, I mean, with the therapist, I think it's more just like, I have this thing. And it's my thing. I'm just like, you don't know what. You can't understand my fucking issues. You know what I mean? You know what? That's exactly what my dad said. Yeah.

Who's never been to therapy. He said when my sister died, his daughter, nobody will ever know how I feel. They can never be in my shoes. I'm not talking anybody because they don't really. Really? You don't think other people lose their children? You don't think other people die in plane crashes or lose their or their family dies and plane crashes. You don't think that people watch their kids die of cancer. I've been in

the Ronald McDonald house so many times and watching these kids do it with my own eyes. So why do you feel like you're so alone and like nobody can understand you? And that's what I said to him. It didn't help. But yeah, we're all fucked up and no one has our experiences, but someone who's trained and someone who they might just have little things that you have breakthroughs with. You know what's been my big, big, I mean, I find that this is like very therapeutic for me is, um... Podcasts. Podcasts. Yeah, yeah.

No, no, like, um, I, I don't do the whole A-A thing like crazy or anything, but I do have my one weekly A-A meeting, um, with a group of guys and, uh, I really, I mean, I don't even have to share anything. I mean, I can just listen to them talk and I get a real sense. I see some of them going through just awful, awful things. And the way they're handling it is so commendable, you know, just commendable. And I have a lot of respect for them. And you can relate in a way. I relate.

And there's things where I'm like, shit, I thought I had it bad, you know. That's what I'm saying. I always say whatever helps me. What is it? I got you know my back pains uh hey I got this surgeon over here it's like uh it probably won't work but I'll try it I'll meet him hey they got this device for your okay I'll try it I'll fucking do anything to feel better yeah hoping that one thing is going to make it better 100 so I always have that hope that some something I'm doing is going to be the right thing or it was the thing

that kind of like helps me the most and the chances are you'll find something chances are you'll find something if you keep looking but if your eyes aren't open you know like you shut that away. So, look, I love that you go to that every week. And the fact that you do that every week and you hear about this and it helps you, that's therapy in a lot of ways. Yeah, it is. So, um, you know, that's cool.

It is. And it's true, too. That's the thing is like a lot of times like when, uh, you like, I feel like, uh, with sobriety, when you take all the distractions away, you know, which drugs, alcohol, all that shit is huge distractions. Um, you have a lot more time to think about making yourself better. and making yourself feel better and yeah you know it's a slower way of obtaining the same kind of high that you get from all of that yeah it just takes work you said that you had nightmares

of relapsing is that true yeah yeah dude does it feel real like i relapsed i'm yeah it's just uh i don't know it's It's weird. I'm usually like, yeah, like relapsing and then I feel like really bad and I feel, you know, like, and then it's like I don't want to go tell like the group of guys that I talk to and I don't want to admit that I'm like, you know, that I fell off the wagon or whatever. And that feels real. That feels real. But the crazy thing is when I first got sober, I love those dreams, you know.

And I was like, yay. oh my god you know and then it's like oh i woke up i don't have drugs but like now it's kind of like become a nightmare uh which is good yeah which you don't want it you know it's not good for you you know you don't want to be that guy yeah yeah and anyone who's struggling with that shit like that's how crazy it is because i never thought that that could possibly happen where i was like i'm scared of doing that that's like a huge fear of mine to fall back into that and uh to have that obsession lifted. Yeah.

Were you ever intimidated with people that you were working with? Did you ever, like, get nervous around people? Like, when you met James Cameron or when you met, like, Merrill Streep, or were you too young to really give a shit? Obviously, Terminator, because I had never done anything like that. And Arnold was huge at that point. Was he nice?

Arnold's the best, dude. Arnold's the best. And Jim Cameron. Like, you know, I had the greatest experience. on that movie um you know i mean it's like arnold has to be pretty amazing just by the fact of like what he's done you know he's he's really smart he's hilarious you know um he's a professional i mean i learned a lot and uh i mean we shot that movie for like nine months so it's kind of like all that sort of starstruckness almost went away went away after like a couple weeks yeah because it was like

long hours and stuff like that but but um so would he like come up to you like eddie how are you doing today all this shit was he cool well it's just he was great he was great yeah i mean we spent you know so much time just sitting on that bike together you know so we we you know like i was so sad when that movie stopped filming i mean we shot it for like nine months and you know linda and jim and arnold like you know family it was like family it was like family And when you're 13, and you've never experienced what it's like to do that. Or to have a family.

Or to have family, 100%. 100%. So they were sort of your, you call it surrogate, kind of your surrogate families. Like when you do a movie, maybe that's part of why you love it so much. Is it the crew and the cast, it becomes like a little family? Yeah, you might be right, actually. I never thought about it that way. Yeah, because I spent more time with these people, crew, cast.

makeup, hair, whatever, than I've ever, than I have with my family maybe in one quarter of a season. You know what I mean? That much time with them. Yeah. Contrasting that with the amount of time I've spent, you know, I average like, oh, I see my mom about three days a year. Yeah. Sometimes not for a couple years. So let me see.

I've seen my mom 30 days in, you know, count them how many years. so but then you're on a set and you're working 14 15 hours every day with these same people yeah you usually hang out afterwards yeah you hang out afterwards it's yeah it's uh i love that part yeah it's like it's like going to like summer camp or something yeah yeah do you uh do you still like go they haven't even seen the best of me yet like let me fucking like do you want to do you want to still show the world what you got yeah like do you feel myself what I got yeah you know um yeah dude I I I because you got it it's just like all right now fucking let me show you yeah because I've never been um you know like I've never been like

yeah I mean I feel like I've known that I'm I'm pretty talented I'm not trying to blow him up smoke in my eyes. No, it's obvious. You know, like, thank you. I just, like, I've never done it where I'm just like in such a good place, you know. I, uh, so it's kind of uncharted territory. Like, I just want to see, like, if I'm capable of, you know, doing much, you know, a hundred times better than I was before.

Maybe I'll do worse. I don't know. No. I don't think so. I think it's something that if you're giving a piece of material, in the meantime, you know, you'll take jobs and you'll do this. And then when someone goes, I'm going to take a chance on this guy. Yeah.

I think that's when, you know what I mean? Yeah, I feel like that. And people love that. Believe it or not, they love the underdog. They've seen you go through so much shit and all that stuff. And they're like, a lot of times people give up on people and this. But they'd love to see someone like that, oh, my God, you know? like he's he's he's back where he needs to be this is like he got lost yeah and people don't know

the reasons why and that's why i think it's important like even hearing you today it's like he came from a dark past broken family ran away did drugs hid behind that didn't know who you were didn't you know and now it's like okay i did all that and i'm ready to go yeah yeah i I, you know, like, that's another thing, too, man, is like when you start at such a young age, you take it for granted, you know, like, I didn't, you know, yeah, I was poor as a kid, but it was like, I mean, I started at 13 years old, you know, and that had been my whole life was that. So, in a way, by the end, I was like, I don't give a fuck. I don't care if it just, you know, I don't care, you know what I mean. Yeah. And having time to kind of reap what I sowed and seeing the effects of like that kind of

attitude towards my life, I realized like, fuck, I was so blessed. I was so blessed. Hindsight's 2020, my friend. Yeah, hindsight's 2020. You know what I mean? We can all look back and say, you know, fuck. I should have done this, but, you know, you learn from it. As long as you see that, you learn from it.

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So I did let him see that. And that was like when he was much older. Like he's like 17 now. But yeah, he's founded himself. Right. He's watched him on his own. He's kind of watched some of them on his own. Was he impressed?

I don't think, I don't know. I don't know. It's like, you know, because I'm his dad. So it's like, I think it kind of just. bugs him sometimes because I think his friends get impressed by it or something. You know what I mean? Right, right. So it's more of an annoyance.

It's kind of an annoyance. It's like some of my friends, like, you know, it's like a couple times, like back of the day, it's like a couple of my friends would be like, God, I hate going out with you sometimes, you know, because I just get recognized and it's annoying. But, you know, I like it. I'll, you know, I need the attention. Yeah. We all do as actors.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I think he's proud of me. That's the thing I want to do more than anything, is whatever it is, I want to make him proud. I want to make him really proud. Well, I think one of those things is be proud of him. Yeah.

You know, listen like you do, I'm sure, and just do the best you can and try to not follow in the footsteps of the past. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like as long as you're honest and present, all the things like I wanted, you know, unconditional love. Like you can come to me, you know, I don't want kids, but I think I'd be a good dad because I would do whatever I could to make sure I was a good dad. You know what? Like I've noticed, for me at least, and like a lot of people came from like messed up families are wonderful parents. great parents because you know you um you've just been through it so you know what not to do

yeah you know um does he call you oh yeah yeah so you have a great relationship oh i have a wonderful relationship with him dude it's the greatest like um yeah that must mean a shit ton oh my god yeah and like you know he's a teenager and you know most people's like fucking you know they don't want to deal Oh, my God damn teenager, blah, blah, blah, you know, whatever. And I'm like, not with me, man. Me and my kid are like this, you know. Do you can tell you anything? He tells you everything?

Yeah, pretty much, man, pretty much. Going out with this girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's funny. And he'll ask me advice on things like as if I would know what it's not to do. But it's like, I try, I try, you know. Yeah. Well, son.

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, it's like I still haven't figured out that shit. But, you know, like I do my best, man. I do my best. And it's such a compliment that, yeah, he comes to me for all of that stuff. And it's, it's dope. It's dope seeing them turn into like little men, you know.

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Dev Nexon. What are your best souvenirs filming in Italy for Knights of the Quest? I don't bring any souvenirs. I'm surprised somebody knows about that. The only souvenir I brought back was heroin addiction. Is that where you got it? That's the first time I did heroin. In Italy.

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He's very You know He's very very serious Intense Intense The whole time Yeah And you're fucking around

Yeah Yeah Yeah But I mean we got along We got along pretty well It's just Yeah I mean

It was an intense movie It was It was And, I mean, I was, like, throughout it, I mean, like, when you're working with an actor and you're seeing what they're doing and you just can't really fully grasp or understand how awesome they are, you know what I mean? But you know, they're awesome. That is dope, you know. So I loved working with Ed Norton. He's, say what you would.

I mean, he's really talented, you know. Dana asks, what is the most ridiculous thing that you ever purchased? liposuction. You purchased liposuction? Once. Really? Yeah, for a movie. It was for a movie.

What do they do? I just like, I was, I had gained a lot of weight. This was like in my early 30s. And I was like kind of, I don't know, I'm probably purchased a lot of crazy things. This is the first thing that popped up in my head. Um, and, uh, yeah, I, I, I was just like, fuck, you know, and they were like, you got to lose weight. So I was just like, okay, well, you know, suck it out with a hose. That sounds good. And how much weight did you lose?

It was, it was a good amount. 20 pounds? I don't know. I don't know. I don't even remember. Was it gross? It was awful. It was awful. It was awful, dude. And, uh, I will never do like any sort of plastic surgery or anything. anything like that ever again because it was awful. The whole thing was awful, you know.

It just whatever, like my advice on it is just do whatever you need to do naturally. Just fucking. Go to a gym. Go to a walk. Yeah. Eat right. Don't do all this shit. Yeah.

Because there's no quick fix to anything, you know. And yeah, it's giving me like problems. And it's like when I gain weight, now I gain weight in all these different places. and it's just it's never again never again dude uh last question nathan jade did you feel any kind of a betrayal or disappointment after dark fate release revealing john conner had been killed even after everything he went through in t-2 i got called in to do some like mocap work and uh kind of act the scene out um but of course and i got the call actually like right when i got sober and like of course like they're like you know they want to talk to you about the new terminator so

I'm like oh it's a sign thank you yeah you know and I get there and they're like yeah you know we want you to play you at 14 and we're just going to kill you and I was like oh shit and I'm like and I didn't even understand like how the hell are they going to do that like I don't know it just felt like a little bit like whatever happened to baby Jane sort of situation yeah and um you know uh yeah so i mean i i went in there and did that so i knew what was happening i mean it was a mixed feeling it was like understanding that i wasn't in a place to shoot a movie right then anyway right you know and um also uh you know um just yeah i mean i was kind of happy a little bit too because I was like, you know, fuck.

I mean, I love, I don't know if you met Nick. Nick Stall is awesome. I think he's a great guy. But I was glad to sort of get the character just back to myself, even if it was like for a day. Yeah. I thought that was kind of like, dope. That's a good way to think about things, you know?

Yeah, that was fun. I got paid, it was cool. It was cool. I got to meet cool people. Call it a day. Yeah. The big one, though. I remember, yeah, when I lost Terminator 3 because,

oh my God, dude, like, see, got so much drugs in my life but um that was the contract they were like you know we want you to not do any drugs whatever you just sign a clause in the contract no drugs and i remember literally and it was a sweet deal i mean it was the best deal that i had ever gotten in my life for t3 for t3 it was like a lot of money like millions millions yeah millions and i had never made that kind of money. And so I called my friends and I'm like, guys, I just signed this fucking awesome contract. We're going to go to the club. We're going to get a bunch of blow and we're going to fucking, you know, that's it. This is the end, man. We're going to fucking

do it. And like, you know, so that's it. We made a whole thing. We went out to this club called Joseph's. I remember, like, I poured like some coke on the toilet, but it kind of too much fell out of the bag. And I was like, fuck. And I didn't know what to do with it. So I was like, oh, fuck it. And I just hard this huge, like, fucking horse rail on the thing. And I just did it. And I remember just, like, walking out and I'm, like, talking to this chick. And then all of a sudden I wake up and the lights, so embarrassing.

The lights in the club are on. People are, like, standing around me. My buddy's, like, crying. He's, like, you know, holding me in. And I'm like, I'm like, what happened? He's like, dude, you fucking OD'd. And I'm like, I didn't audition. what are you talking about like I you know when you did OD I did when I I didn't know like I you know I had a seizure so you just time disappears you know I mean when you have a coke overdose like you just time just you have no idea what happened and I'm like this can't be happening and of course yeah the ambulance came it was like so embarrassing and and the news caught wind and the news caught wind and of course they're like yeah you know you're not

you know, you lost the movie. We're not going to, we're not going to do it with you. And, uh, really, that was it. That was it. And I was like, oh, I'm so sorry. Oh my God. And, you know, but yeah. It didn't matter no matter what you tried.

I just signed a contract saying that. And I went and OVee, I don't know what that, if that's like some sort of like, I don't know what that was. You know, that was like the worst luck or maybe the best luck. Well, that spun you, right? When you lost that, it got worse from there. Yeah. kind of kind of but i don't know i was already kind of uh on a downward trajectory in a lot of

way so i don't know if maybe if i had that maybe it would have been worse i don't know i think you know i think it's you know fate i think there's things that happen to make you stronger and if it didn't happen then maybe you wouldn't have found your way like you did like you eventually found your way you know and yeah i mean you have to believe that you have to just think that hey now's my time now's the time you know it wasn't you know obviously a miss opportunity which is like fuck yeah biggest opportunity ever i mean yeah yeah that bum me out that bunny out for dude you've been so honest and awesome in this has been like so easy to talk to you you're like you're a great guy i'm so fucking happy that you're sober now and you're seeing all

these amazing things like the gift of your son and your relationship and um that you just love working and you have such a positive attitude after all this shit and it's like i want to see you like you know i want to do an interview with you after you fucking get you know that call from james cameron saying hey yeah all right man it's time it's time now because i think i think you know yeah you know people like the underdog story i mean you're a kid and all these things happen and um look at robert downy junior how many chances that he get before he finally figured it out yeah you know what i mean so yeah he got it yeah he you know and and you know i always hope for the best expect the worst but you know it's like

you just like working it's funny because you're like hey if i just make you know pay my rent you're paid act i'll just keep doing it until something yeah you know something that you really want clicks in you know yeah a lot of actors have done that a lot of great actors have done movies that you You're just like, oh, my God, oh, my God, my God. And then, boom, they do something just genius that catches, you know, the attention of everybody. And it's like sometimes you just got to do the work. Yeah. And let things kind of fall where they will.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Well, what do I know? No, it's been great, man. It's been great. Yeah.

Yeah. I know you were talking about, like, you know, we were talking about in the car, like, working on a show or something like that, you know, and it's like, that would be. dope too man that's like one thing that i you'd love to do a tv show yeah i've done like episodes of tv shows but i've never had it like a constant thing and i don't know and when i've worked on those tv shows it kind of seems nice because like the other people that are working on it you know every week it's like they have sort of like it's like a nice oiled machine and it's like everybody's just kind of doing their job do your job hit your mark say your line enjoy it good craft

services yeah you know bring it home if you want but yeah i agree um i think the dream job is to be like the fifth lead where you work like one day a week maybe two days a week yeah life i mean but beggars can't be choosers we can't do you know it's be dumb that'd be dumb or just like a really good uh voiceover thing too oh yeah yeah voiceover just not that thing that i sent you ryan but i was like i go right i thought they fixed the sag after deal. Look at this contract they want me to do. They're looking at it. I'm like, oh my gosh. Oh, really?

Pay me a couple hundred bucks to do. I'm not kidding. I was like, I was like, what is this? Oh my God. You know, whatever. Maybe, you know, everything leads to something else. Yeah. You do something like you said, you meet somebody on a set. You meet somebody. You know, maybe they're like, oh, I really like that guy. I'm going to put it. You never know.

Yeah. All right. Yeah. But hey, dude, this is awesome. Thanks, man. Thanks a lot, Michael. Yeah. Cheers, man. I mean, after that, don't you think you can get through anything? I mean, if he survived that lifestyle, I want to see him rise to the top again. I want to see because he's a talented, talented actor. And he's got a good heart. And I hate to see someone struggle, especially as much as he struggled.

But I think he's on his way up. And I really appreciate him coming by. I know you were like afterwards you went who yeah I mean just to see someone come out the other side of what he went through and that's you know we you think not to compare but like sometimes you think well I got my struggles but then you like you hear that and you go oh my God well and then but it's inspiring to see him come out the other side yeah I agree I mean and it's not to put look you shouldn't compare if you're going through a hard time that's real that's what you're going through and you should say oh someone has it harder so I I should be okay. I shouldn't worry about it. It's not what we're saying. But you should be lucky that it didn't get that bad. Yeah.

And also, I think, more so be inspired that someone can go through when he went through and... Come out on top. Oh, yeah. And survive. And that foo fighter song is about him. What's it called? Ed for long. No, it's not.

Edward. Eddie? Eddie? I appreciate you, man. Thanks for coming on the podcast. And I hope to see his career flourish and all that. Thank you for listening today. If you want to join Patreon, patreon.com slash inside of you.

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