Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - ELIZABETH TULLOCH: Farewell to Lois Lane, Reflections on Contentious Upbringing & Her Journey Into Motherhood

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

Elizabeth Tulloch (Superman & Lois, Grimm) joins us this week to share reflections on her tumultuous upbringing, inclusive of how it lead to her costarring alongside Superman for 4 seasons and evidently shaping how she parents today. Bitsie talks about the key to gratitude and how she learned about the healing powers behind being of service for others. We also talk about her feelings surrounding Superman & Lois ending, her incredibly wild birthing story, and how her time on Grimm prepared her for new projects. Thank you to our sponsors: 🍓 Strawberry: https://strawberry.me/inside 📞 Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/insideofyou 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and my buddy over here across from me, Ryan Tejas. Ryan, you trimmed your beard. You're looking trim. I did. I didn't, but thank you. Okay. Well, there you have it. Thanks for listening to the podcast.

Thanks for choosing this podcast. If you're a big Elizabeth Tolk fan, Superman and Lois, tons of other stuff, you're at the right place. Look, I, you know, Ryan, I don't think it's too much to ask if people enjoy the podcast. And I'm like, that was a great interview to maybe subscribe to the show. Follow us and start listening. Cool. I'd appreciate that. Only if you like the interview.

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And let me give you some examples. Of suckage. Of suckage. And how you can fix the sucky. Yeah. You know what? I've been watching this show Derek. It's older.

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It does sound expensive, but in a good way. Yeah, man. I'm excited. So that's all I have to tell you. I hope you enjoy this podcast. Elizabeth Tolik was amazing. I had so much fun talking to her. She's dynamic.

She's super talented. She's done so many things. And we'll talk about all of it. Superman and Lois, of course, and let's just get inside of Elizabeth Talk. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. It's nice to finally get you here.

Now, I hear, you know, it was very, difficult to get you on the podcast when you were doing Superman and Lois. It was just, you know, for whatever reason, they wanted to, you know, they knew that you might open up a little bit if you came on this show. They were worried about it. They've got to protect their dubba-dubba. I get it. It wasn't a long, you know, conversation. It was also, I was busy. You were busy. And it was just one person. And they said, maybe you don't want to do it because he might ask a question you don't want to answer. And my response was, if. I ever get asked a question I don't want to answer. I'm not going to answer it, but whatever. Okay.

And I always tell them, I'm like, look, anything you want cut, we edit. In fact, a lot of times while we're talking, I go, hey, cut that, Jason. Well, don't cut that. You know what I mean? So, it's like, it's very, it's very easy. But I think it takes a lot of time for publicists to feel comfortable about, you know, recommending their client do your show. You know, for me. So, Because it's like now that I've interviewed like 350 people, I think they're more apt to say, okay, we know what the show is. Right. And we like it. It's comfortable. We know you're protecting our client. So now it's become easy. But in the beginning, it was very difficult. When did you start the podcast? I don't know like six years ago. Can you do me a favor? My OCD is killing me right now. Behind you, that Gene Hackman poster, that Superman poster. Everybody could hear this. We don't need to see that. By the way, behind you, I noticed is a little off too. Are you OCD too? Yeah. When I was younger, it kind of manifested itself in, it was, I have more control over it now, but I still have OCD tendencies. Like, I texted you that I was four minutes late. I like. That's just respect.

That's respect to, but I'm extremely clean and I like things at right angles, but I'm constantly, it's also just really cathartic for me cleaning. It is, right? I love wiping down surfaces. I love doing laundry. I'm horrible at it. I shrink everything, but I just, there's something so comforting about picking up a pile of warm laundry. But yeah, I would still consider myself a little OCD. I could tell. I could tell you're a good mom. I thought I was going to be a helicopter mom and I am the opposite. What's a helicopter mom? They're like, they hover and they, you know, they're constantly afraid. Yeah. I mean, yeah, constantly afraid the kid's going to hurt themselves or something. And I, my point of you with Vivian is I would just give her a knife. And I remember David walked in once and he was like,

what are you doing? She was probably three and a half. But she was pretty smart. And I said, you have to respect the knife. And this knife could cut you. It wasn't like, you know, a chef's knife. Right. But she was cutting, you know, a banana or something. Yeah, not exactly. And I'm like, respect the knife. And I said, you know what? Worst case scenario, she's going to cut herself a little bit. And she's never going to do it again. And if she's climbing on a high wall and she falls, She's not going to climb on that high wall again. That's kind of the mom I am, and I really thought I would not be that mom. But that mom is, let's not get into my mom.

Or mine. But growing up, you know, in the 80s, it's like, you know, you figure stuff out. If you get hurt, you don't do it again. And I think nowadays, I think parents are really like so protective over their kids. And it feels like the kids walk all over the parents a lot of times, too. I think so. I mean, there's a lot of debate about this whole gentle parenting thing. Yeah. Where it is kind of following. I just didn't have that so I don't understand it.

I didn't have that either. I mean, the one thing I will say I do do with my daughter. Do you do? I do. I do immediately. I'm so immature. No, I do. I heard it too. And I thought of that friend's episode. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The one thing that I guess would fit into the gentle parenting daughter is we never talked to her like a baby. We never said like a wee, we are a who-hoo. We always said, you know, a penis or vagina. And we always, we never kind of did baby talk to her. And we always used normal language, you know, big vocabulary words around her. And she has now, if she doesn't know the meaning of a word and her vocabulary is particularly extraordinary, because we did that. And if she doesn't know the meaning of a word, she's like, okay, what does that mean? She's really curious. It is a bit of, if I mess up, like if I snap at her, which I typically don't,

because I try to be the mom that, like, the opposite of the way my mom was. And my mom was a yeller. And so I'm typically chill, but if I'm running late, I might snap. And then I apologize. I do do that. I shouldn't have, I shouldn't have yelled at you. Yeah. I do do that.

Yeah. I say, Viv, I'm sorry. That had nothing to do with you. That was all mommy's fault. And she understands? Oh, yeah. Now she's six. She's all so bright.

But I said, that's mommy's fault. Mommy did not manage her time well this morning. Jeez. I never heard this. This is so foreign to me. This is like, it's your fault. You know, you're stupid. You're dumb.

You're this. You're that. So I think, you know, you could love your kids. Tell them you love them. Be supportive. Be unconditional with love and all that. But at the same time, be a little stern and be like, hey, we don't do that. Don't do.

You know what I mean? Oh, I do that too. Yeah. Hey, we just don't do that. Or be respectful. Or, you know, there's ways to do it without. I canceled a play date the two. had today. She had a play date yesterday. And she had another one today because she was kind of

trying to show off to her friend Odin and was sassing me a little bit. And I said, you do not speak to me that way. And she sassed me again. And I said, the play dates off for tomorrow. She cry. Not at all. No, she's not a cry. She's very tough cookie. And I said, actions have consequences, Viv. And then she said, okay, well, can I have one next week? And I said, as you know as long as you don't sass me then sure i'm bidsy but you're being a little bitty yeah we don't do that what's her first curse word she's heard that you said oh oh it was great too david god she was young david usually what does he say shit oh no under his breath he'll go fucking hell right so we're driving to our house in washington where we live from vancouver

was this one. He was filming a million little things. We got so lucky. He was on a million little things for five seasons. I was doing Superman and Lois, both in Vancouver. So we live in Washington. We're driving to the Washington house. She's just turned three. And I think she dropped something. So it was appropriate. And she goes under her breath, the same delivery. Fucking hell. And I go, excuse me? What did you just say? You didn't laugh right away? No. Because I go, what did you just say? She goes, fucking hell. Same delivery. I go, where'd you hear that? And she goes, Daddy says it. So I, you know, I was driving. So I was like with the command on the car, send text message to David Gentoli. We have to talk. When we get to the house, I'm calling you. Oh, my God. But she didn't really get it. Now she knows. And it was really cute for a while because she would say, Mama, I have. I. I heard somebody say F-O-K when she was like four.

No, F-O-K. She just, before she could really spell it. Oh, okay. And then it was so cute. No, it was just F-O-K, you know? And it was cute. And then at some point, again, the kind of grammar nerd in me at some point, you know, we're driving.

And I go, you know, Vivian, it's spelled F-U-C-K. So I taught. You told her that. She has to be educated. Yeah. And then the other one was, we were in Montana last summer, and my friend Callie says, holy shit a lot. And she asked what I meant.

And I said, you know, it's something grown up, say you're just not allowed to say it. Because I have the worst potty mouth. You do? My friends and I curse like sailors, but I don't do it around her. That's good. That's not easy either. No. I mean, I honestly don't think, I just don't curse around her.

but the second I'm around any of my best friends it's just it's bananas how bad we are yeah every other word is fuck and I and it's actually a sign of intelligence believe it or not that's what I heard on Instagram too but I'm like no there's articles about intelligent I swear I try not to throw many F bombs and stuff around like I had a friend that I actually told him I said listen I'm not your parent I don't care if you swear we all swear but you say F so much so much. Yeah. That's a little bit like a turnoff. That's different. Yeah. Yeah, he'd be like, because then it gets to the point where you sound uneducated. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Do you feel, how do you feel? I mean, you did four seasons of Superman and Lois. Yes. There's a lot of

thoughts I have. Like, you know, first of all, how much work, how much stress does it take? Because I've done a one hour, but I wasn't the lead. You're in the title. And you're Lois Lane. how much work is it every day and also having a daughter and a husband and, you know, being unset, what, 14 hours a day? Yeah, sometimes longer if, you know, considering drive time and hair and makeup time. But, you know, Grim was a one hour and we did 123 episodes. He did six seasons? We did six seasons.

And that was on some level harder. That was good prep. For Superman and Lois, because we did so many fratter days, but we started doing night shoots basically by Wednesday. So everybody's sleep schedule got so messed up because our Monday, our call time shooting call would be 7 a.m. You know, then it bumps to Tuesday, 8 or 9 a.m. And then Wednesday, it's noon.

And then Thursday, it's 4 p.m. And then Friday, it's a 6 p.m. call time, and you're shooting until 7 a.m. And so, and you're outside. We shot in Portland, Oregon. Yeah, it's called Grim. It's going to be a lot of night shoots. Yeah. It's a lot of night suits in the rain.

And this wasn't too much location stuff. I mean, Vancouver's cold and it snows. And we have rains. Yeah. But the rain, again, a lot of, you know, Tyler was like, what is this? I was so used to it having been in Portland for six years. I really have been in the Pacific Northwest, mainly since 2011 when I started Grimm. So you're saying that Superman and Lois was a little bit easier, actually, than Grimm.

The, I would say shooting wise. Yeah, it was easier. As an actor, Superman and Lois was a lot harder. I always joke because I'm somebody who can cry on screen. Easily. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. But I have to stay in it. And I was, it was interesting. I did a movie called Chronic with Tim Roth, amazing Mexican director, Michelle Franco. And we were doing this crime. scene and it was before we started filming and he pops into the green room where I was and he goes save it you know in his awesome accent he's like save it and I was younger and I'm like what do you mean and he goes when we're doing this so many times save it and he also goes stay well hydrated because you know and so I I immediately started drinking water and I kind of stopped it but a lot of when I have really emotional scenes I have to put my earbuds in and go off into a corner and otherwise I'm shooting the shit. I'm talking. Tyler and I are the same way. We'll be

fucking around, fucking around, messing around, teasing each other. And then they yell action and we drop it. That's how I work. Yeah. And some people don't work that way. So it's nice that he and I kind of had the same, you know, that we. You can joke. You're like, oh my God, that's great. It's like, listen. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Except for so, but I always joke that when when producers or writers realize an actor can actually cry, it's like they want to see it every episode. And there was an episode season one where Lois had, and this is one of the things that I feel like really distinguishes our show as far as the superhero universe. It was so grounded in reality. And they had written an episode, I forget what it's called, but it was season one

episode eight. And she has a miscarriage, right? And it was tying together this storyline that was going to happen at the end of season one, where Lois has had a daughter named Natalie on another earth. And I called Todd Helbing, our showrunner, and I said, can we make it? Because I've had I've had so many friends who've had fertility struggles that are awful, just really heartbreaking stuff, including to stillborns that were otherwise healthy pregnancies and late-term miscarriages. And so I called Todd and I said, if we're going to do this, can we make it a late-term miscarriage? And when we're, look, when we're showing the Jonathan, the son Jonathan photos of the twins, can we make sure that there's a visibly pregnant Lois so that it just makes it that much more difficult? But that episode had a lot of emotional.

So you weren't fun on that episode? It was a bottle episode and no, it was not fun. No. It was heavy, and people, I, you know, I, you know, it was like that and also with the cancer story arc, which was the main arc for season three, there was a lot of trepidation about going there on a superhero series, but the fans loved it. And I would say, I cannot tell you how often at Comic-Con people come up to me, I'd say at least one in eight, one in ten, who have, have cancer, have lost someone. to cancer. The last con I went to, there were three people whose wives had passed away from breast cancer six months earlier. I mean, how specific is that? And you're a big advocate for breast cancer too. You've spoken a lot about it. Yeah. And particularly get, I would

recommend personally because I interviewed so many women who had either had it or currently had breast cancer getting ready for the storyline. Three of three or four of them, I think I spoke to 11 women. Three or four of them had been diagnosed in their 20s or around 30. So right now, the recommendation is to start getting mammograms and stuff at 40. And I, in my opinion, it should honestly be 35. And obviously if there's a family history, do it as soon as you. How many of you had? Mammograms. Yeah. Three. And I found out that I have dense breast tissue, which I didn't know about. And here's the other. What does that mean? This is the fucked up thing. Because I, in my head when I, you know, I was saying dense breast tissue, like my boobs are not

enormous. It just didn't make sense. But basically, your tissue. You know, is just kind of harder. So on a mammogram, all of your boob reads almost as cancerous. So it's hard to spot cancer. So they recommend if you have dense breast tissue doing an ultrasound. The fucked up thing, and again, I've talked a lot about this, is that most insurance companies do not require ultrasounds. And I feel like if you've been diagnosed, diagnosed, not diagnosed, if you have dense breast tissue, they should automatically have to cover breast ultrasounds as well. The other thing I talk about a lot is men get breast cancer, too. So if there's a history of breast cancer in your family, men should, you know,

if, you know, get tested for the broca gene. Did your mom pass away from? Yeah. I mean, honestly, they, they, that was actually a storyline on a million little things. Yeah. There was a character on a million little things who, uh, James Rodeh. Love James. Yeah, James is the best.

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trigger point that can just get you right into it now I'm not the kind of actor I'm definitely not method but I also am not this person that's thinking of how sad I was when my dog died or how sad I was when my grandfather died. I'm in character. So in that moment when I was doing the miscarriage storyline or the cancer stuff or it, I really am, I just feel it in my bones. And a lot of that is probably my training,

which is Stella Adler, which is, you know, you do a lot of history on your character. And, you know, when I was studying, and I don't know if you know this, but I didn't even start acting until I was about 24. I was zero interest. Wow. In fact, I had so little interest that I was down in Australia working, you know, some whatever job with a girlfriend shooting, when they were shooting Star Wars, Clone Wars.

This was in 2000, the summer of 2000. And George Lucas and I really bonded because I was on set a lot. And also, I'm a snacker. And so is he. And I'd sit next to him a lot while he was directing. And he's like, let me put you. you in. I got to put you in as, you know, what, what do you want to be? And I was like, no, sorry, because I was such an academic. George Lucas is saying, be in my movie. Yeah, I mean, not as a big

role. No, but still, George Lucas tells you to wipe his ass. I might consider it. And I, I was academic. I had my plan. I was, you know, I was going to go to get my MFA in England after I graduated. Literature. You studied literature. I double majored in, literature and visual environmental studies, which is actually really just a pretentious name for the fine arts. But I went to Harvard. So, of course, you would expect the fine arts to be. But yeah, no, I was, again, really academic, academic family. My sister, triple major at NYU. My mom was valedictorian at Lola, Merrimount. That's a lot of pressure growing up. Oh, it was awful. It was awful. And it's funny. I had a conversation with one of my daughter's

besties recently her mother, the kid's mom, because this kid, I'm not kidding you, isn't is taking, she's six, violin, cello, soccer, swimming, ballet, hip hop, French, Spanish, and there's one more because I was telling someone else the other day and it was nine things. And I said, and she was asking about the Harvard thing. And I said, I have to tell you. I said, don't, don't put, let her play and have fun. I mean, do you do you, but I said, I really resent my mom in particular because there was so much pressure on me academically that, and I tell, when people are like, well, what, you know, I know you went to Harvard.

I'm like, here's a good example. I didn't study for the SATs. I took them and I either got a 1530 or 1540. She had a 1600. I tell my mom, I got a 1530 or. 1540 and she goes when are you retaking them come on i'm i'm not kidding there was i won't even tell you what i got at that point i said that is good enough to get into any of the ten colleges i'm applying to and i got in everywhere but princeton where i was waitlisted

but i got into yale brown uh dartmouth harvard jeez yeah uh and then are you a savant i mean are you like do you have like photographic memory a little bit a little bit but i don't think I'm that smart. I do have a bit of a photographic memory. That is true. And that is part of why I succeeded in high school because I remember when I was, you know, doing English, for example, I could quote just chunks of James Joyce's, a portrait of the artist as a young man. So it almost feels like cheating in hindsight because part of the reason I think my essays were so impressive, so to speak, in high school is that I could just remember verbatim, you know, paragraphs of these novels. And of course then tie them in and you know i'm not a dumb dumb but i don't think of myself as you know i

certainly don't think of myself as a savant or a prodigy but what i am is good at school you're good at school yeah yeah because i think everyone like it really was it weighed on me that i didn't get really great grades you know i didn't realize i had ad i mean really bad ADHD um no one ever had patience with me so i was i couldn't focus i just couldn't focus and Those few teachers that really made things interesting or I somehow got engaged, I would excel. And I would be interested and ask questions and talk and be excited about it. But it was very few and far between. Right, because given your age, this is really pre-ridulent being more commonly used or there being any awareness really of ADD or ADHD.

I was just all over the place. And, you know, it was just I thought based on what people were telling you, you're just dumb, you're just not smart, you're just this, you're, you're annoying, you know, so I didn't get all that. That kind of breaks my heart. And it, yeah, well, I, and I don't want to break your heart, but like, it took me years of therapy to realize that, you know, I'm not stupid. Okay, you know, my therapist would say, you wrote a script, right? How many scripts he's run? I go, I don't 20 scripts he's written 20 scripts you've uh you memorize your lines for the tv show right i go yeah yeah you you act you and he starts naming these things so it's like that doesn't really sound like a

stupid person yeah and i go i don't know i mean really he's like well there's different kind of smart right you're school smart but you're also obviously smart but you know uh i'm street smart i'm i'm i read people's character i'm a good judge of character i'm uh there's like a lot of things that i know I'm good at. But, you know, I don't want to go in celebrity jeopardy just because my friends think I should, but I think I'll just freeze because I'll think about the kid who wasn't very smart and like, and I have to, I have to perform. I have to prove myself. I have to, it just freaks me out. Part of me wants to just go on it and just. Oh, see, I wouldn't do that either. I'm not great with, I also didn't grow up in America. So there's a lot. Yeah, you grew up in, let me say, Spain,

Australia. No, Spain, Uruguay, and Argentina. Oh, but you lived in Australia for four months in between my freshman and sophomore year at school in college. So that's when I was doing on set for cloners. How much started, very well, yeah. I'm not so when my family and I, we lived in Barcelona, and then we moved to Uruguay and Argentina for eight years more.

Bienninoes to the U.S. Thank you, yeah. What hour is? Now. What hour is? Once. I remember my teacher in Spanish class, Mrs. Skinner. She'd go off and like,

Yes, I said you go, Mr. Rosenbaum? And I go, Como? No, no, Como? Como's how, right? Yeah, yeah. Or what or something. So we were, I just auditioned for the Little House on the Prairie reboot. What?

Yeah. That was one of my favorite shows. So I, again, I, so I remember when we moved to the States, I was so embarrassed and I stopped, Spanish was my first language. I stopped speaking because when I moved to the U.S., somebody teased me because I'd never heard of, the first thing I was just thinking was in sync, but that doesn't track time-wise. I'd never heard of new kids on the block or I wasn't into them and everybody was in the new kids on the block. And I had been into menudo, you know? Minuto. Or whatever.

And I sort of got teased a little for, you know, I probably even had a little bit of an accent, even though I was raised in a bilingual household. And so I stopped speaking and I lost a lot of it. But there's a ton of shit that I just don't get. Like, you know, a bird in the hand and one in the bush. I fuck those. A pig, you know, I said. and the one in the hand is better than two in the books. I cannot get them.

I mess them up too. Don't stare at a gift horse in the mouth. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, but I mess those up. I, I constantly, I said to a girlfriend, you know, I remember this. And I go, he was on me like a pig on shit. You know, it's like it'll be I mix, I mix them up.

That's not stupidity. That's just like, you know. But you're probably hard on yourself, aren't you? Well, it's more just annoying because I do this constantly. How do I excel in all these majors and these schools and I go to Harvard and I can't remember this? Yeah. I know. It's frustrating.

Yeah. They just, it just, that's the part of my brain where I don't consider myself completely fluent any longer. But I remember, I'm like, oh, Spanish was my first language. And I think that's part of why these sayings that I didn't grow up around. I don't. But I'm also a huge clutz. unless I'm filming playing the role of someone elegant and then somehow I can keep it together. Tyler always jokes I walk better in heels than in flats, which is honestly why I'm wearing heels.

I am covered in bruises all the time. This is from a burn. I walk into, I think I have depth perception issues. I've really bad eyesight and a stigmatism in both eyes. I graze the right side of doorways at least once a day. It's like I just like I'm like a horse with this. Does David just freak out? Like what is going?

He's so used to it. He just doesn't say anything anymore. I'm bleeding. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I texted him the photo of the burn today just because I was saying it's an oven on the kitchen island and I was saying like I reached across to hand Vivian something

and the oven had been on. I was making pizza. And I also, it's genetic, but I have a freakishly high pain. tolerance. And so my skin burned off. And I was like, ow. And my daughter has it too. And so when she was a baby, I was scared she had like the, I don't, I don't remember what it's called, but it's where you cannot feel physical pain. It's like that movie Novacaine. Yeah. And it's incredibly dangerous for obvious reasons. Yeah. If you have a severe case of that where they don't feel pain. Yeah. You could have your hand in a fire. You can be burning alive and don't feel it. And she, she just never.

really cried. She'd fall over. She'd hurt herself. She'd cut herself and wasn't crying. And I was so freaked out that she had the kind of big one. And then right when we went to Vancouver in the middle of COVID in July 2020, she picked up this huge rock, dropped it on her toe. Her toe, big toe split open, blood everywhere. She starts crying. And my internal reaction was yes. Yes. She feels pain. She has. She doesn't have the thing. Mommy, you're crazy. Yeah. But like all my, You know, I'm really obsessed with skin care and lasers and stuff. And my friends just think I'm bananas because I'll do something called fraxil, which for anyone. I heard about that.

It's a laser. That hurts. I feel the heat and I feel pain. But for me, I'm, my, I am so impatient to such a fault. I am too. I'm ahead of myself a lot. I don't want to go and sit there for an hour with numbing cream on. So I just, it's, what about pregnancy?

Was that a breeze for you? Oh, no, because I was. I didn't have hyper amesis or hyperametic, whatever it is, but I, the first 20 weeks of, or six to 20, like the day I turned six weeks pregnant, I started vomiting, and I pretty much didn't stop until 20 weeks. And it was weird. It was like a night sickness, afternoon and nighttime. So I started realizing, so I never really lost weight. Like, it can be really dangerous for women who have hyperamesis and they're hospitalized or even potentially feeding tube kind of situation because they're constantly vomiting. But mine started at 3 p.m. every day. So I'd have a huge

breakfast and a huge lunch to get calories in my body. And then I just, it would start. And then I couldn't even keep water down. So that sucked. That's miserable. And I would also pee myself. It was so violent. The retching, the vomiting, I would, like, I would pee myself. And I didn't want David, and the sound of it, you know, I have like PTSD from the sound. was so wretched and David would I would have a towel around the the toilet bowl and David would just kind of hand me a dry thing of underwear because it happened it was just this but my whole stomach was contracting a shock to the system yeah it was awful and I'd probably throw up eight times until I went to bad and then it stopped and it was a breeze now labor and I

don't recommend this I was I was stupid no I don't recommend, I was dumb, and I had lunch with a friend who's much bigger than I am. She's, you know, bigger bone, much more athletic, a lot taller. And I, not lunch. I had had dinner with her maybe three or four weeks before I went into labor. And she had had a baby, you know, a year prior. And she was like, you can do this. Don't get the epidural.

Women have been doing this for thousands of years without drugs. You almost sounded like Jennifer Coolidge for a second. You can do this. Everything's great people have been doing. And I had had a plan, and the plan was get the epidural and then go for a natural. There were two things I was stupid. And again, I wasn't gaining a ton of weight. I was gaining weight.

But anyway, so my friends, like, don't get the epidural. I'm like, changing my birth plan, not doing that. The other thing was at around 32 weeks pregnant, I'd only gained. 4, 8, 12, 16, 22, to 4.20. So, eight months, a little of eight months. Almost due. Yeah, basically, your pregnancy lasts 40 weeks, which doesn't make sense when you think of a

pregnancy as being nine months long. Right. But it's 40 weeks. So at 30 or 32 weeks, I had had some issues with my placenta, and I had been in the ER overnight, and I'd been, like, heavily bleeding. And David was in Vancouver, and they tried to have, have me C-section. And I was like, no, because I can, I'm reading that chart. And I'm in distress right now, but my baby's not. So if the baby starts going into distress, we can have a conversation

about it, C-section. But I'm like, no. So you'd bring it on. There were five all-female weirdly doctors who came in and were trying to convince me to C-section because I had a, like, giant clots of blood coming out. And you said no. They said no. I'm like, A, I can't. I can't get a hold of my husband right now. So the next day, obviously, he put the thing on where it's like, if I ring more than twice, the phone will ring. Um, he was in Vancouver. But more than that, I'm like, I can see the monitor and I can see my baby's line and I can see my line and the baby's perfectly healthy right now. So I'm not going to cave. But they were worried about you. They were kind of saying, you know, it's probably healthier for you and the baby. And I'm, and I'm like, I'll be good. Probably. You know, most likely. But I was watching. And so. I didn't. And sure enough, I went into labor two days before her due date. And I was so happy that I didn't see section early. But so around then, I hadn't gained a ton of weight. And I, so I go to this placenta previous placenta specialist, right? And I'm panicking because you do these weigh-ins. And I'm 30 or 32 weeks pregnant. And I only gained 14 pounds. And I was kind of

freaking out. And I remember I started crying. And most of these ultrasound, and stuff, I would FaceTime David because he was filming season one, a million little things, and I just went alone, or I would do a video, whatever. So he was there for that one, and I'm crying, and I'm like, oh, my God, my baby's going to be emaciated, you know, and I was like a six-pound baby. So I'm thinking, so we go into the room and this guy, who's a doctor, who has been to medical school, who knows what he's doing, looks at me, looks at the ultrasound, looks back at me and he goes, you should schedule a C-section right now. And I'm like, come on, I've only gained 14

pounds. There's no way. And he goes, your baby, I'm looking at you, you're extremely petite, your baby is enormous. And he said, you know, she was like five and a half pounds, right, at 30, 32 weeks. And I'm like, doctor, you know, you know, it was a little air. And quite frankly, more stupid than anything. Doctor, the margin of error for these estimations of weight in utero is massive, right? So I'm just thinking there's no way. I've only gained 14 pounds. So I leave there thinking like, is he kidding me?

No. So anyway, so I'm going in with my birth plan. Now no epidural, no C-section scheduled. I go into labor at 4 a.m. on a Saturday. kind of, I got into the bath, didn't wake David up till seven, because I was like, this is my last time alone with this little girl, right? So I got into the bath. I'm kind of talking to her at seven. I'm like, the contractions are getting worse. I didn't even have the doula come over until four. I didn't even say, let's go to the hospital. By the time we got to the hospital at 8.30, I was eight centimeters dilated. But I waited too long, also stupid. And so it took, you know, 40 minutes to get to Cedars. and it should have taken 20 because if David drove over a quarter, I was like, you what the fuck? You know, it was incredibly painful. We get there and they're like, so no epidural, right?

I'm like, no. I have, I'm in the shower. I'm on this ball. I'm screaming. I start vomiting. I started shaking so badly. I got whiplash, right? Vomiting everywhere.

They're like, do you want the epidural? And I'm like, no, I can do this, right? So they're like, we got to try something else. So they did like a dose of potocin or something, which is meant to induce labor. And that caused her to go into distress. So they something, I don't know if the potosin was first, but at some point someone's like, we're going to give you a baby dose of what it's called a walking epidural. And they come in and my OB, who's amazing, he goes, hey, Bits.

So in all likelihood, because her head is just not descending and you've been in labor for, you know, a long time at this point, in all likelihood, the placenta specialist is right. And your baby's probably huge. And by this point also, I was 28 pounds. So I doubled. So I looked like I swallowed a basketball. So I had gained. So this guy was not only right, but now the baby's even bigger. Yeah. So the OB is kind of like, I think the specialist, I forgot. name i probably blocked it out because i feel i felt stupid uh he's like the specialist is probably right and your baby's probably huge if you want to keep doing this we can uh this is at this is around 7 a m so now this is 27 hours into this and uh 27 hours of labor he's like but he's like at this point 85% chance you're gonna we're gonna have to see section and it could be an emergency c-section and at that point i mean if you see the photo of me right after i gave birth there was no color in my face. It was, I have PTSD from the way I did it because it felt like, and again,

this is why I recommend, just get the epidural. Don't try to be tough. It felt like I was being drawn and quartered in medieval era or honestly that someone was taking my body and ripping it in half. That's what it felt like. I was vomiting from the sheer pain. Cut to, they finally C-section her, which I could have just gone in, had a C-section, stay in the hospital for four days. They give you warm chocolate chip cookies. It's great. But now, I ended up having 27 hours later, my daughter was 8.5 pounds and 22 inches long. I was 8.5 pounds. Yeah. So she was huge. And the guy was right. Inside he was brought to you by Rocket Money. If you want to save money, then listen to me because I use this. Ryan uses this. So many people use Rocket Money. It's a

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We're drinking age. Were you sad when Superman and Lois ended? Yes, I was. Lois and Superman. Superman and Lois. Superman and Lois. I always get confused. Say it.

I don't mind the way you're saying it. I bet they thought Lois and Superman. They're like, yeah, but it's Superman. It was too close to the adventures of Lois and Clark. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Were you, how did you feel about it ending after four seasons? And was it tough ending, knowing you're going to end, filming while you're going to, you're finishing.

like you knew that this was the last season no you want to know it's the last season you want to say your goodbyes we knew on grim it was our last season i've heard you know legends of tomorrow they famously just got canceled and they all thought they were going to get another season i don't know if it ended on a cliffhanger or not but i would yeah i'm different i you know i did a show for two years where i was the lead and it ended abruptly like we did two seasons and then there's a big cliffhanger and you know the president of the network said, look, we love the show, but we need more female-oriented shows. And, you know, this is a little too dark for us and this and that.

And I go, okay, no problem. I wouldn't have wanted to call me halfway through or at the beginning of the season saying, hey, we're going to do one more season, but this is it. I would have been like, I wouldn't want to know that. I just, I'd rather just, it's done, cut the, but you're different. You're different. You wanted to know. You wanted to say your goodbyes.

You knew that they're going to have a good ending. There's a lot of pros to this. me, especially on Superman and Lois, because there was a period where our survival was, you know, it was a little, it was a bit of a tenuous situation because for a couple different reasons, Warner Brothers had had a new head, DC Comics had new heads, Next Star, the biggest thing is that the CW was sold to Next Star, and so it wasn't a given that we were going to get a season four. And we had ended on this cliffhanger where Superman and Doomsday are flying at each other. And for me, it was, it was honestly, there's no way we can do that to the

fans. That's just wrong. Superman dooms. So a part of it was hell no, come on. And so we ended up getting, we had done 15, 15, 13, and then 10. So it was a shorter season, big budget cuts and sadly cast cuts, which is happening more and more across the board. Even on like Dick Wolf shows and stuff. But, you know, we, the they, the only season four, It was the four of us, the Kent family, and Michael Cuddlitz, who'd been up to a series regular Lex Luthor. Yeah. But everybody else was reduced.

And these are tremendously talented actors who got reduced to, you know, some from all episodes produced to three out of ten. And so that was sad. Our cast and crew and the writers really pulled it together. And, man, they stuck the landing. And I have a tremendous admiration for the way they closed out the series. nobody thought we were going to end this early. That was sort of shocking.

When Greg Berlanti was first pitching the show to me and Tyler, everybody was thinking it was going to go at least seven or eight seasons. And shit happens. And I've been very vocal in my support of James Gunn and Peter Safran. I think James Gunn is brilliant. And I'm really looking forward to seeing the Superman movie. And in my opinion, like, if you're a Superman movie, if Superman fan, you're a Superman fan.

So go see the movie. And I know it's devastating if you love the show for it to get canceled early, but I'm still proud of what we gave them. And I think, you know, I know weirdly enough, I know Peter and James a bit. Peter, I think, because I came close to booking the lead in one of the Annabelle movies. And James through David Dathmeltian, who love, I mean, just. I'm really close to James and Peter. Yeah. No, I just, I know we did San Diego Comic-Con Hall H this past July. And there was, you know, you see this shit online where when I, and I felt really bad because James is such a smart guy and he's so brilliant and he's such a visionary. And people just get shit on online. You're going to get shit on no matter what. You do something. People are going to hate it. People are going to love it. 100%. It's just the way it is you can't, you know, what does Bob Dylan say? Bob Dylan say you can please some of the people. some of the time. I can please a few of the people all the time, but you can't please all the people all the time.

A hundred percent. And that's, and boy, I wish I learned that. I tell that to my daughter. Yeah. It's like, listen,

not everybody's going to like you. That's exactly what I say. Yeah. Whenever she's like, hey, someone won't play with me, I go, and you're super cool.

If somebody doesn't want to play with you, that's on them. Yes, that's on them. And then I say, not everyone's going to like you, Viv, and don't expect them to.

And that's just life. Yeah. You're an extremely appealing, person and you have a lot of friends, but not everyone's going to like you. And, you know, she's kind of at that age where some girl made fun of her at hip hop last week because she wore a ballet tutu. And then yesterday when I took her to hip hop, they're like, I was like, hey, Viv, do you want to wear your tutu again? And she was so, no, because so and I was like, you know what? I think you looked so beautiful in that tutu. So for all, for all I know, maybe she was jealous because

you looked so goddamn cute. But if you don't want to wear it, you don't have to wear it. Wear something else. Pick something you feel comfortable in, you know? That's good. And there's another kid at school who never, who there's two kindergarten classes,

another kid who's always on her about her playing with her best friend. Like, no, I'm going to play with, you know, so and so. And I just said to her, I'm like,

you do not spend time or give your, your energy to somebody who doesn't make you feel good about yourself, who doesn't make you feel good about yourself, who doesn't make you, feel good in your heart you don't spend time with them so i'm like just ignore her i that that goes there's a through line to that that's just not for six year olds or teenage that's for in life the more you hang around people who are energy suckers energy vampires the more you hang around

people who bring you down it just prevents you from being the best you and i have found that where I've had to cut off people in the past that they bring me down. I'm always pampering them. I'm always trying to help them. I'm always trying to this. It's just nothing's good enough. It's sad. And all my energy is going.

And I'm like, I can't, I can't live your life. Yeah. You have to, you know, I'm going off on something else. But like, I think it's important to let people figure it out, to let people know you care about them, know you love them, and just say, I've, I've given you everything. I can. I also am a firm believer in a rising tide lifts all boats. And I think there's a lot of people in this industry. See, you got that quote right? I did. I'm going to use that one. There's a lot of people in this industry who are really competitive with each other. And I have noticed it with women. And I don't

feel that way at all. I send my friends auditions that I get regularly. My point of view is, you know, we're different. Even we're inherently different. And, And I have a lot of friends who really should be working and more consistently. I feel incredibly grateful for the career I've had, especially given how late I started. And I'm like, we're different. And I'm just, I am who I am. So if I get it, but I, you know, I sent a girlfriend, the Little House on the Prairie audition.

I'm like, you should read for this. You should totally read for this. This could totally be your role. Do I want it? Yes. Is it still up for grabs or you didn't get it? I don't know. I don't think I got it.

I feel like I would have heard something. By the way, is that the best theme song? I don't know. I watched the pilot. It's slow. I had no idea. It's like an hour and 40 minutes long. Yeah, but that's not the...

Well, it was the Michael Landon. That's the best one ever. That's the only one I know. That's what I grew up. It was the length of a movie. Listen to this open credits, though. This just puts tears in the house. Are you doing opening credits?

Not mine. The mission, the music from the mission makes me cry. Samuel Barber's adagio for strings makes me cry. That does not make me cry. Do you listen to that before you cry in a scene? I think that's on my playlist, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we touched briefly on, you know, childhood.

You don't have to talk about it, but, like, was growing up, was it tough for you? Is your mother still with us? Yes. And your father? Yes. And are you close with them? I am not close with my mother. I'm close with my father.

Close with your father. Yeah. They had a very contentious divorce my senior year of school. It affected you. Yeah. But, you know, when I was 10, I remember saying to my dad, you guys should divorce. You fight all the time. What are you doing?

You're not making each other happy. Why do parents do that? And I hate the excuse. Well, we do it for you kids. This is worse for the kids. He said, you know, I was waiting until you graduated from college or something. I'm like, we had, it was miserable, miserable. Miserable. You guys should have just divorced. Come on. Give me a break.

Yeah. People stay in it. And I don't like that excuse. It's almost like blaming you. So I'm the reason you, so you were unhappy and it was me that stopped you from getting out of unhappiness. Is that sort of what you're insinuating? Yeah. Because I think it is. Yeah. Get out. I mean, you can be mature and raise the child. all together and be harmonious or amicable or whatever, but I just think if you're not getting along and you're fighting and there's a lot of other issues, I mean, try to work it out if you really love each other. But if not, hey, yeah. That I think is also part of one of the reasons I threw myself into school. And not only school, like school work, but extracurricular stuff, ran track,

you know, editor of the school newspaper, all this stuff. I, um, You are Lois Lane. I, well, you know, when people say, because it's really just not like SAT scores or your grades that get you into these colleges that have three percent. It's not even that. It's what distinguishes you from other people because most people that are applying to like I think Harvard's acceptance rate is three percent. It's, you know, most people that are applying have good grades and good SAT scores or ACTs or you're smart. You're smart. You're smart. If you think you can get it. and you're applying, you're smart. You have good greats, right? What I think put me over the edge, because I certainly was not legacy. My dad

went to SDSU. San Diego State University. Yeah, he was a surfer. He smoked pot. Then he went to Thunderbird, which was a good international management school. That's why we were overseas. He was doing international banking. I also am convinced he might have had some thing to do in the CIA, because there was shit

that happened when we were overseas. And in hindsight, I'm like, uh-uh. That doesn't compute. But, um... But yeah, top three, percent get in so there has to be something else that differentiate you from other people yeah so i had all the extracurriculars all the apes all that shit but what i think put me aside was uh i won the new york state poetry contest a couple years in a row more than that i had created a um was it my junior or see i forget i must have been my junior year that i took ap spanish which of course was like

give me a break easy easy uh and i i I realized there were a lot of immigrants in the community who didn't speak English. And my entire family was fluent. And, you know, my parents would hire these people, these guys to do work on the house. And they loved coming over because my dad would shoot this shit with them. And he had imported from Buenos Aires, which is where we were living before we moved to the U.S., this huge, you know, this huge grill. And he would do this Argentine asado and cook for them.

and he'd bring them a beer and you know and i learned so much watching my dad treat people who other people weren't treating as humans treat them with such compassion and love and respect i think that's so important i i tend i that's what i try to do as well i try to you know if anybody's come over to work them on the house or anything it's like hey you guys want some donuts i got some donuts you guys want want to drink you know have a bit ask them how they're doing you know i just feel compelled i want to know about people's lives. I don't want to just be like, yeah, do that. I just, it's, everything's personal. And I think people appreciate that. And if anything, if you treat people like that in life, and if they're working with you or for you, they're only going to work harder because

you're cool and you're like, treat them like a human being. And that's, it's not even that. It's more, I fervently believe, yes, I've been blessed with certain things. I fervently believe that my worth as a human being is no higher than any other person on this. planet. Yeah. Really. Yeah. It doesn't. We're all going to the same place. Yeah. And so and and and, um, but anyway, so what I created, I was like, you know, there's smart kids in this AP class with me. And I reached out to some other schools. At this point, we were in Bedford, New York, about an hour north of the city. And, uh, reached out to some of the other eight schools who had AP students. And I said, do you guys want to just volunteer from say seven to 10 on Wednesday nights? And I wrote,

this handbook for things in Spanish, you know, Quanto Cuesa. And then phonetically, if you were a native Spanish speaker, how would you say, how much does that cost? For the phonetic translation and then in English, how much does it cost? So you would say, how much do you pay an hour? Will you give me lunch? How much, you know, how much does this cost? How many days do you need me? Basically, I wrote this handbook with phrases that they needed and then it was free and um how many people came to this it was pretty busy i we put flyers all over like mount kisco bedford hills bedford and we had kids from the high school in chappaqua and we'd all just go and volunteer from seven to ten and it was free english classes and so we'd put flyers around and um my dad i remember my you know the

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Go get them. Starbucks. It's never just coffee. And this is one thing where I feel like something my parents definitely did right. Every Thanksgiving, we would volunteer at a local church. And my dad, being a Spanish speaker, we drove a suburban. he'd go around and pick up, you know, the Guatemalan immigrants, who, you know, it was primarily Guatemalan immigrants in that part.

And he'd say, do you guys want a free meal? It's Thanksgiving. Dia de lae de grazias and everything. And come get in the car and I'll take you. And would then sit down with them and talk to them and, you know, drop them back off, get another round of, you know, six or seven guys. And we would spend our day volunteering. and eating, and then we would go home at night and have our family Thanksgiving.

Wow. And when I... That's altruism. Yeah. And I remember I was going through the, you know, most of my breaks up, I've been like, whatever, move on. It is not meant to be. And almost callously so, but there was one breakup that I was struggling with that was hard

because the guy cheated. And so it was a lot of, it was also just. that was shitty. And I remember I was driving down Pico Boulevard and I was in my mid-20s. And I love old people. I always have. And there's just this kind of decrepit nursing home. And I'm like, I pull over and I go in and I'm like, can I volunteer here? Because I was so just, I could sense this sense of me, me, me, and ego. And I feel so sorry for me. And I cannot stand people who play victim. I'm like the opposite of that. And I hated this feeling I was having of feeling bad for myself because intellectually I was like, I'm going to be fine. I'm going to get over this douchebag. But I'm like, I got to do something to get my head out of my ass. So I go in, I'm like, can I volunteer? And they're like, doing what? And I'm like, just hanging out with them. And it was the right. And they're like, well, I'm like, listen, I don't want to clean bed pants. I just want to hang out. What does that look like? And they're like, well, they eat it. You know, they all, they all eat.

at five and I'm like great I will be I'll just show up you know at five o'clock when I can I think for almost six months straight until I booked this big HBO pilot and I and I had to go to Baltimore for two months I I went almost every day Monday through Friday at five and I would be there and there was this little guy Mikey uh who was awesome and then there was a little man named Norman who needed help and I'd go to his room and he'd be in wheelchair waiting for me and I'd wheel them up to the dining room. But I would just talk to them and I kind of go around. And then I kind of had my faves. So by the end of my time at that nursing home, it was really about like, yeah. Good to see you. Yeah. And then also there was a, there's an

organization called Corazon de Vida that I volunteered with regularly that's kickass in L.A. We're basically, and it's kind of fun. You go, you get on a bus at 6 a.m. opposite like scurball. And you go in a bus, you stop in San Diego, you hit up a Starbucks, you cross the border into Tijuana, and Corazon de Vida has runs about 13 or 14 orphanages. And we bring supplies and then we just play with the kids and eat lunch with them. And they usually would like do a little performance. And I did that about once a month until I booked Grim. And I should I should do it again. But it's just. This is, she's an anomaly. I will say, this from experience when I dedicated Tuesday nights at the Ronald McDonald house for a while and met my good friend Preston and his family and he was going through treatment and just fell in love with the family. There's something about doing something for someone else and not being, you know, because we're all self-centered. We're always thinking about our problems, this. It does something to you that is, you can't explain. If you, if you, if you, if you

you want to find happiness, try finding it in helping someone else because you'll be surprised at how when you make someone feel a certain way or you give your time and you're doing it for no other reason because then you want to, altruism, there's no better feeling about yourself in the world. And I've done that whenever I dedicate my time or have the kids from Echoes of Hope, foster youth all come here and watch a movie. I love that. One of the kids shit their pants, it was awful, but a great time. But like, I remember those, those are the happiest moments, like putting a smile on a kid's face, playing with lightsabers, watching movies, making popcorn, you know.

Anyway, listen, you're beautiful. I think that's why, I mean, one of the most commonly prescribed things for people who are suffering from or living with depression is go volunteer. 100% and it helps yeah because it's it you get it's again it's like getting out of you getting out of you and putting the focus on someone else and also honestly really instilling a sense of gratitude and i went through a lot in my childhood um there was there were traumatic things um nothing you know nothing like sexual abuse thank god uh but there was trauma and mental abuse maybe yeah 100% emotional you know emotional yeah and And I'm so, I'm just such an inherently happy person.

And when I start telling people some of the shit that happened to me, they're like, I don't get it. And I say, I'm like, I don't know, I'm just so fucking grateful because I've seen darkness. And I pulled myself out of it. And more than that, I just, I have been blessed. I've been blessed with an amazing career and, you know, gifts and, you know, I could see how grateful you. Yeah, we weren't like, low, we weren't wealthy, but we weren't, you know, I always knew there was going to be food on the table.

And there's a lot of kids. I mean, my God, the shit that's going on with USAID right now is killing me because, you know, if you just think of like the situation in the Sudan, which is a situation that nobody talks about, there are millions of people on the brink of famine. that are losing access to, you know, food that could keep them alive. And I've never experienced hunger. I've never experienced homelessness. I've never experienced, I even think of like, I've never really experienced depression.

I have anxiety, but I've never experienced depression. And it's just a lot of, if you focus on the shit that's working for you, it's kind of wanting what you have, not wanting things you don't have. of. Right. Like, I want what I have. Or appreciating the things you have. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Um, all right. This is called shit talking with Elizabeth Tolik. You say Tolik. Tolik. Tolik. It's Tolik. But I look at it and I say Tolik, but it's so, I mean, we're splitting hairs. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Do I get that one right? Splitting hairs. Yes. Okay. As it was leaving my mouth, I'm like 50-50, this is correct. All right. Yeah. Shit talking with Elizabeth Tullock. This is rapid fire. You can call me Bitsy,

by the way. Bitsy, I know, Gitzy. Well, thank you. All right. So Bitsy, so shit talking with Bitsy and this is rapid fire. So you've got to go fast. All right. These are my top tier patrons.

Patron.com slash inside of you. I love you. Thank you for being here. Raj, tell me about a time you were able to prove someone wrong. Okay. When I was watching the Little House on the Prairie pilot, then Native Americans,

they're speaking French. And I started translating. I don't really speak French, but a little bit. and David, David was like, what? You don't speak French? And I'm like, I mean, I do a tiny bit. I do.

And the guy is speaking. And I just, I'm like, this is what he's saying. This is what he saying. And David's like, looking at me. How do you know this? He goes, how did I not know this? I'm like, I don't know. We don't really go to France that often.

If we went to France, I could get around a little bit. It's just not, it's not something I guess I've. So you proved him wrong. You really did know. moves them wrong. Little Lisa, what does happiness mean to you and how do you pursue it? Gratitude is happiness. And pursue it by focusing on the shit that is going right for you or, yeah, basically what I just said. You want the things that you have and don't focus on things, you know, as much. And again, I recognize my inherent privilege and even saying that because I have so much.

and so it's easy for me to sit here and say that. But there were times when I didn't, you know, I had no money when I, because of the divorce, my dad, I went from, you know, feeling comfortable. And then when I moved to L.A., I think I had $3,000. And I started tutoring and working as an assistant for. All those skills came back to you. And you're like, I know how to do this. But I remember having to borrow $100 for my sister to pay for my health insurance. I just borrowed $100 from him right before the show.

Uh, okay. What kind of genre, Mary Lou, what kind of genre do you prefer to play and why or do you just any genre? Honestly, I did comedy for a long time before Grimm. And since then, it almost feels like people consider me a dramatic actress only. Comedy's just fun. It's just fun. Cicely, what's your fondest memory on set of Superman and Lois? There was, I mean, so many, because mercifully, Tyler and I get along beautifully, because there are, horror stories of other romantic and co-leads not getting along and or hating outright hating each other but constantly laughing I get the giggles easily and one of the things that really makes me laugh is when people have hiccups oh it's the worst so this was probably either season one or season two because it was still Jordan Alsace and he played he originated the role of Jonathan on

Superman and Lois and then Michael Bishop came in for season three and four George we were it was freezing and so we were on this little warming bus at the exterior Kent farm location which it was the worst in the world I felt so bad for the crew every time we were there because the act you know there was a little tiny section of the house where the actors could be with the little heating things no it's in uh in delta on like the bird reserve but it was windy it was muddy and more than anything because I love the crews and they worked so hard. I'm like, it was so windy.

Their tents would be flying away half the time. And then the owners of the farm were kind of being bitchy about letting the crew be in the inside the farmhouse to stay warm. Jesus. So. Well, who had the hiccups? Jordan had the hiccups. And I almost paid myself. I was laughing so hard.

I couldn't stop. He couldn't stop hiccuping. Yeah, but it was also the noise. It was like froggy noises. No, his were like froggy noises, which is even worse. But if, no, I mean, see, I'm laughing in it. You don't even have the hiccups. It's just a silly noise to me that makes me giggle.

Amber C, besides Tyler, who's your favorite Superman? Christopher Reef. Of course. This has been fantastic. You worked with John Goodman? I did on the artist. I didn't work directly with him. But you met him.

Yeah. Well, I was originally I auditioned to play his love interest. And I was deemed too young, which I was. I think Missy Pyle ended up getting it. But Bernice Bejo, who was the female lead of the artist, she was married or is married to Michelle Hasenavis, a director, and she was involved in producing and was looking at the audition tapes. And I've played period several times, a movie called Parkland that was about JFK's assassination.

I liked it. Oh, thanks. I really liked it. Yeah. Yeah, you were great. Thank you. I worked with Paul Giamatti. It was fantastic. I forgot that. You were in Parkland. Yeah. I loved, yes. That was so emotional because we filmed. Because I played this woman, Maryland, who was with Abraham Zapruder, who was filming, obviously. We filmed that where it happened. So there was just this sense of like, oh, my God, this is heavy. You know, this is heavy. We're filming it right where it happened. But I forgot what I was saying.

No, you were talking about working with John Goodman. Oh, yeah. So anyway, so Bernice was looking at the audition tapes. And I had done the little kind of curls in my hair. Old school. Yeah, total old school. And she said to Michelle, this young woman looks so period. We've got to put her in the film in some capacity.

And there was a role of this young ingenue starlet who had done a series of films with Jean Du Jardine's character. character and they just called and offered it to me, which was so cool. And that was an amazing experience because I think, and it's sad too, but I'm pretty sure that was the only film that in 2010, which is when we filmed it shot exclusively. Well, in the Oscar. Well, they swept the Academy Awards. And I remember when I was filming it, I was telling friends, they're like, what do you filming? I'm like, it's this indie. It's going to be this art house. There's no sound. Yeah, it's a silent, black and white indie. And I'm like, it'll be like, I think it'll do well in like art house theater.

swept the Academy Awards. I had no idea. I love it. But it was so, it was so cool because the costume designer who also won an Academy Award, I was wearing Dorothy Lamour's outfits. And so I would say like D. Lamour, MGM. And my, it was, my, my wardrobe was gossamer thin because it was so old, it was almost falling apart. And so, and I'm a slob.

So I would, every time it was. lunch i'd be like i'm changing out of this and getting right back in when we're filming yeah i don't trust myself um but uh it and then because and there was uh an and an ad who was french an ad who was speaking english uh i remember the french d i loved he would always say um mont petitichu which i think means my little cabbage or like maybe i got to learn that one yeah monteshipu mont petitishu Mampa Tizu. But that was an extraordinary experience. Because it was black and white,

nobody had to be miced. And they brought in a gramophone and we're playing like 1920s, 1930s, music half the time. It was. You loved it. It was amazing. It was special.

Well, this is special. Is there anything? What's your Instagram for people? Bitsy Tulloch. Pretty much most of my handles are just Bitsi T-I-E-L-O-C-H. And anything coming out or anything or you're just taking a break. No, I have. You do have things coming out?

I thought you were taking a break for God's sakes. What are you doing? What's coming up? I have a movie called Nichols that I did with Rob Wrigal. That's a drama. Oh, yeah, he's funny. Yeah, and Odessa Azion and Aaron Holiday, great cast. Nice.

Rebecca Gayhart, Vanessa Shaw. That's coming out probably in a couple months. And I think we got theatrical distribution, actually. Briar Clif is producing it. Yeah. We shot it last summer. Nichols. Yeah, Nichols.

Oh, so I have a lunch next week, actually. and I guess the casting crew and the producers are getting ready to talk about what the next steps are leading I'm glad you finally came over here did you have fun oh my god I'll come on time I mean I can just listen to your story that's all I did was just like let her go I told you I'm like I'm also a I'm also a talker so when you said like one hour max I didn't need to do anything this is my this is the favorite part when I when I don't have to kind of you know get you to talk and like you know it's in the stories were interesting like I learned so much about childbirth that My head's spinning.

No, this is great for women out there and husbands alike. I think it's important that everybody hears it. I think you're fascinating, beautiful inside out. And I wish you the best. Give David a big hug for me. I will. And next time we'll talk more about David. Yeah, or have him come on.

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And I know exactly what I'm going to talk about. Oh, juicy. Like, I know that when I'm doing certain things, I'm like, this is probably not right. So what happens is I get, I withdraw. I withdraw from people, a lot of people. for times where I just feel like I don't need to be so available to you I don't need to be um you know I read that too it's like when you're always available mm-hmm you become less desirable mm-hmm which is kind of bullshit I feel feel like you know but it feels like it

shouldn't work it feels like it shouldn't work like it's bullshit you should be available to your friends you they should be available to you but sometimes I feel like you feel like you know feel like my friends aren't available or people in my life aren't available or I'm not as important sometimes I feel like that and I know there's deeper issues there so I uh I tend to back away back off and then then they'll come around like hey what's going on but I don't do it on purpose like I do it on purpose but I don't it's just for me it's just sort of for me to take a step back and and me time and not so all of a sudden it's like a couple weeks past and I'm just not really you know and some people that I feel like I reach out to reach out to family members they

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