Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Elvira (Cassandra Peterson)

Episode Date: May 21, 2019

Elvira (The Mistress of Darkness, Casandra Peterson) discusses her relationship with her abusive mother, how she moved out at fourteen and became a showgirl in Las Vegas when she was seventeen. Elvira opens up about the time she almost slept with Elvis, how Tom Jones took her virginity and all of the cocaine and LSD she took in the 60’s and 70’s. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hooray! Array! The Conjuring, last rites. Only in theater, September 5th. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum, Rob. Michael. You've been busy. You've been traveling a lot.

I've been traveling some. Does Natalie hate when you travel, you're running around the world? No, she's okay with it. I don't like it. You're not available to me like he used to be. I know. I know you're not making much money on this show, but... One day.

I miss you. I miss having you around more. I know. Well, we still, though, see each other at least once a week. Well, I wouldn't say once a week. I'd say on average probably twice a month. Uh... Maybe we have.

to do ads every once in a month. I would say three times a month. But I know that people do like you a lot, Rob wasn't on the other episode. I'm like, you know, they, because they've been hearing your voice for a long time. So when they hear another voice, and Tyler is great. But they don't really know Tyler. And then all of a sudden, Rob's gone. What happened to Rob? Did you fire Rob? I'm like, no, no, I didn't fire Rob. I love Rob. I can't do this without you. I just quit. So if you quit, Rob, I quit. Are we announcing? We're not quitting. We're not quitting. But we need you. Hey, we want to thank you guys again for listening. and for subscribing and reviewing everybody's so kind out there and the and the in the I read the comments and I respond a lot of times read every single

I don't read everyone but what did we someone just told us today reading comments is like cutting yourself yeah reading comments isn't good but it's different when I get feedback on the show because most of the times ours are positive because it affects people's lives they're like I talk about mental illness I talk about somebody who faced adversity so anyway listen spread the word I know I keep telling you but you know you're listening means a lot to us and it keeps us going here and spread the word, write a review. We have a wonderful guest today. I always wanted this person on it on. Rob was unsure because he just didn't know her. It wasn't because he didn't like her. He just didn't know this person. And Rob's young.

He's 29 and 30. I'm going to have trouble when you turn 31, Rob. Yeah, I don't know what you're going to do. I don't know what I'm going to do. Because I do mess that up sometimes, not a lot. No, you mess it up constantly. Cassandra Peterson is our guest today. A lot of people, most people know her as Elvira,

mistress of the dark yeah she was your mistress for a while i wish she was because i'll tell you what when when she came on the show i immediately was drawn to her she is so beautiful inside and out and her stories are so captivating she talks about um her first time with tom jones and that wasn't good sex we're talking about sex yeah it was uh she'll talk about that she just had some horrible things happened to her life she's had a crazy life and she shares it with us she gets very open and impersonal and I think I thank her for that because sometimes it's hard and she uh she has lost a lot of close people in her life and she's faced a lot of uh you know adversity and she lived in a tree she lived in a tree uh she sure as hell did she talks about her stalker uh just so much freaky

shit and uh playing the uh the very famous character of elvira and all that and uh you know does she get kinky and wear the alvira outfit we'll we'll see of course you ask that you'll have to hear this one But this is a phone one. Let's get inside Cassandra Peterson. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. I have to have a surgery too, but it's on my foot, the whole other end of my body.

Have you already had it? No, I have to have it. I've been trying to schedule it, wearing heels all those years. Oh, yeah, the Elvira heels. I was just standing around. I was on a TV show standing, just standing. I had been jumping around beforehand, but... How high were you?

Standing there and boom, my foot broke. Just standing. Really? Yeah. And I was like... When did that happen? About in September, I think. And how high were you? I mean, how high was...

Well, I mean, how high off the ground? Like, where you're... Well, that too. Yes, I wasn't high, unfortunately. because it hurts so bad they should have been how high off the ground well i mean i just have like six inch heels you know but i've been wearing them for you know i mean since i was and you never got hurt 14 years old no and i wasn't doing anything my bone just like said fuck it yep can we say fuck on the show wait it's my show oh good you can you can't do you swear all are you a swear or are you

kind of reserved well when i meet people i don't swear but in my real life i swear so much it makes people like really even say you got to stop swear what you mean when you're playing a character when when i'm playing the character elvara doesn't swear she never says anything bad she says damn and hell maybe that's the worst right and she says sort of suggestive but in real life in real life i swear like a sailor really my dad sweared like this is my here's how my dad would talk he'd go well i'm going down to the goddamn store i hope i see that son of a bitch behind the counter because that bastard you know it's just like a normal sentence had a bad word yeah and back and back then they didn't say fuck so much it was more like son of a bitch god damn it right fuck was

unheard of yeah no I never heard that come what about the C word oh god no I didn't hear that until like doesn't like well you should hear me at night watching Rachel Maddow and seeing the news I'm like you're just screaming at the TV oh god yeah but just cursing and screaming you know I met you obviously we met in uh at a convention Rhode Island that's right at Rhode Island I believe wasn't it and we did you honestly think because I was so excited to see you now I'm a fan and I know there's a lot of fans out here and it's a I don't know the generational thing or whatever but you kind of cross generations in a lot of ways right I have lately yeah for a while I was afraid all my fans were going to die off they were

going to go old and just be dead and that was the end of my career but all of a sudden it got to be younger and younger I'm skewing younger pretty soon now fetuses will be watching me yeah so you were at the convention and I saw you know it's like oh my god how do I to Elvira. How do I get her on my podcast? I've always wanted her on my podcast. And I was in line and I just wanted to say hi. And of course, you looked at me and you were very nice. But you assumed I was just another guy who was really attracted to you who wanted your autograph and your attention and was going to pay you. Well, okay. For your services. Then your autographed services. You remember that, right? Because you gave me that look and I know

that look because I've seen it. Well, no, you weren't you weren't unkind. You were just like, oh, hi. How are you? you what can i do you there's 25 people behind you what can i you were very nice and then the guy in line who was doing your security goes hey man i like your show or something you realize oh he's actually in the business he's been you know and we and we must be much nicer now yeah well no no you are you do try to rush people along because as you know you have a lot of people waiting so you're torn between really you know chatting and being really nice to them and and i love doing that but when you see a line out the door waiting you have to keep it moving you know so you don't want to piss off those people either right by the way thank you cassandra peterson for allowing me to

be inside of you oh dear god that's how that's how i usually start the show well we really met great uh uh uh uh wow well that's inside of you with michael rosenball so that's that's what we're saying okay so it's not perverse all right good thank you could be but i noticed a lot of things one you were just like you look fantastic and i'm sure you hate that because people say that to me, even, or they're like, hey, you look good after the show, whatever. You look like you haven't aged too much. But it's probably, it's also harder for women

because you guys are judged way more than we are. Guys can wear sweats and a hat and nobody gives a shit. Yeah, that pisses me off at conventions where guys just walk downstairs, maybe take a shower you hope and brush your teeth or something. And they walk downstairs. I, on the other hand, get up, you know, they'll say, why aren't you there at 9 in the morning? I'm good, first of all, because it came from L.A.,

so it's really 6 in the morning. And second of all, because I get up two hours earlier, you know, wash my hair, blow my hair out, dry, I put all my makeup. Does it take you two hours to get ready? Yeah, no, no, no, no. Two hours. I'm looking at you right now, and I swear to God. Well, not today. I didn't do it, obviously.

Well, you look just you're naturally beautiful. Aw. Well, you just have like, you just look like you're not one of these people in Hollywood who spend tons of money fixing their nose and their lips and ultimately ruin themselves. Well, I'll try not to do that. Well, you just look like a real person, but like you look like you've taken care of yourself. Thank you. I do try to take care of myself, except for drinking. What's in the coffee?

It's an ice. It's just a latte. There was a clue in there, some vodka? There would be if I was home, but not here. Are you a drinker? I am. You are? Not a big drinker, but I drink a couple of glasses.

Usually wine in the evening. Would you? Pretty habitually, you know? Would you consider yourself an alcoholic? Or you were an alcoholic? Oh, no, I've never been an alcoholic. I mean, no, I honestly can say I've never been an alcoholic, and I never went to treatment or anything like that.

And if I had to stop, if somebody said, oh, you're taking antibiotics, you can't drink for a week. I'd be like, oh, okay, no big deal. I just drink for fun when I'm out or, you know, not alone in my room drinking. But my dad was an alcoholic. My two sisters that were alcoholics and my uncles all died of alcoholism. Are you sick?

Were your sister's died of alcoholism? My one sister died of opioid overdose. And then my other sister is a really bad. very bad alcoholic and drug addict she's and this all kind of this is all genetic in a lot of ways I think so the top of the chain yeah mom too nope not my mom my mom just died this week as a matter fact but my mom never drank what yeah my mom died last Friday yeah well that's like the worst thing about that's incredibly heavy how old was she 88 so she was around that's so sorry yeah it's been weird it's been uh uh we did not have a

great relationship, but I took care of my mom and paid for all her bills and all her place she lived. And I saw her very often. And, uh, you know, I, I didn't think it was going to be that heavy, but actually when, I don't know why I'm tired. I'm on the way. That's all I'm so here. I don't know. It is kind of heavy that you still, it feels like a giant void, you know. I just heard somebody today, someone said to me, even if you have a terrible relationship with your parent and they die, there's something like that you're mourning, which like a friend of mine was saying her husband was mourning that he never had a good relationship with his dad. And then all of a sudden his dad's gone. It's like, uh, uh, uh, what do you do with that

energy? So you're thinking even a bad relationship is better than having no relationship. Is that what you're kind of insinuating? Well, no, it's just that what you mourn is not the person so much, but what you, like I always thought, if I was good enough, famous enough, pretty enough, something for my mother. Maybe someday I'd be really awesome, you know, and she'd love me but you know I never could get that famous or fabulous or beautiful or whatever so it wasn't enough ever so now that's gone and I kind of like have this big void you know kind of like I who am I gonna be good enough for I don't have anybody to fight against and by the way it's so true sorry look look I love like that's I remember talking to you a few days ago and I said hey you know this is kind of

intimate and open on depending on how much you want it to be but you were so forthcoming and it's just so to me i think you you've shocked me a little bit because i wasn't expecting this yeah no i and i mean this just happened but i was expecting it either it was i i had gone that day that day that my mother passed away in the morning i'd gone to my lawyer and made a provision that to set aside money to continue paying for her health care and all the things she needed because I said my mom is going to outlive me you know this is killing me she's going to be 108 and I'm going to drop dead and they made that joke you're probably messing around I did this is what's going to happen and then later I drove over and I saw her and brought her some dessert from Italy which always like perked her up show of

chocolate and um had this nice visit and um she gave me a list of all the stuff she wanted me to go by for her lipstick makeup blah blah blah and uh and i left there and i got home and when i walked in the door the place called and said something's wrong you got to get back here right away and when i got back the paramedics were outside and they said your mother passed away i mean it was like oh gosh look and he just did you she's right a moment like that kisser i mean Jesus how did you i mean how do you even like when you say that they just gave me chills because it's one of those things that you just can't predict you never know what's going to happen but you know what's going to happen and you sort of have an idea of this is how i'm going to feel let's you almost want to

prepare yourself mentally and you do it through life of how am i going to deal with this step how am i going to deal with this how am i going to when i first hear it what will be the reaction be will i need to sit down will i need to like i almost methodically sort of think of these things and then nothing can compare you from when you hear it i have a feeling you know when i lost my grandmother that it's more of a, your body becomes numb? Were you numb? I did. People asked me how I was feeling.

I said, mostly numb, just, and I didn't like break down crying or anything. I just kind of stood there, kind of like a twilight zone moment where I swear I was standing there kind of having a little bit of an out-of-body experience or something, not sobbing or crying and the paramedics are saying, oh, we're very sorry. But she went in her sleep. She just laid down to take a nap and just, they said literally her heart stopped. just like no i said did she have a heart attack no no no heart attack just they said it just stop beating so you the funeral is probably just a few days ago um no i'm i'm actually uh she's

being cremated and then i'm i'm going to have a memorial excuse me where we grew up in colorado springs colorado and in the spring probably i'm going to wait so yeah kind of get your thoughts together get your feelings together hopefully does this does this mean a lot more therapy do you think you i mean have you been going to therapy for a lot long time i have oh my whole life yeah if i didn't go to therapy i'd probably be like one of my sisters right now yeah because you i'm looking at you going man i want to hang out with you you have your shit together i i have a i have a propensity for hanging out with people that have their shit together because i don't know if i do like rob here for instance rob here is my producer he's 29 years old wow he's married 30 30 whatever

he's got a kid he's got a shit together he's got a shit together he's he just seems so calm and and stressless is that true right is that a word stressless yes stress no one uses it but i said it stressless and i just go i envy that but i also go i need rob in my life i need jessica my assistant in my life i need people around me who are good people who have my back who i can love and do things for in a certain way that i show that i care about them and in return they could sort of keep me on the right path and not let me veer off too much. And I have a lot of those friends. That's a good thing. I have

some of those, too, my assistant. My assistants in the past, it's a ghost. You hear that? Listen, quiet for a second. Hold on. I got a puppy, Cassandra. And that was the puppy talking? Yeah, and she's rolling balls down the living room. And, you know, my assistant just, you'd think, hey, maybe,

we could put the fucking balls away. That's always telling me. By the way, thanks for the box of L virus. Is that a virus? Is it new? It is new. Can you hand me that? Funco.

I don't know if I can reach it. Yeah, somebody helped out, will you? Okay. Oh, thanks, guys. Yeah, it's new. Be careful when you eat it. I'm not eating this. A day or so later.

It's collector's either. Odd things happen to. Is that true? You'll die. No. You sign this for me. Everything turns black. Is that true?

Yeah. Your diarrhea? Yeah. I mean, you're... Well, hopefully you don't have diarrhea, but whatever you have it, it's black. Is that true, though, you poop and it's black? Yeah. You know, that happened to me one time where my stomach was upset and I took, I took Pepto-Bismol, and I didn't know what was going to happen.

And the next morning, I had a black tongue and black teeth and I thought I was dying from the inside of. I didn't. I looked online before I went to the doctor, so I didn't freak out. With Pepto-Bismo? It makes some people's tongues black. I would think it would make it shocking pink. Elvira, Mistress of the Dark, tasty treat, funco-multa-grain cereal. You got to get a box of this and go to a convention and have her sign it, because this shit is. is pretty cool and it's probably going to be worth

at least double the price of this box of cereal. Yeah. At least at least $10. I bet this is worth $50. How many boxes did they give you? I sell it signed for 55. 55 died. How many boxes have you sold? A lot. A lot. Basically, it's only available at Hot Topic stores all over the U.S. Hot Topic. It's a strange. It's a hot topic, but that's where

they sell it. It's not in the grocery store. That's the Hot Pocket. Oh, Hot Pocket. Fuck. Maybe Hot Topic should change it to that. What was Hot Topic? topic it didn't have it i don't think it had a jingle now but let me tell you something you know your mother god rest her soul first of all she knows what a incredible incredible woman and daughter you were that's obvious you don't tell us other people but she didn't tell me but but you know she

knew i mean how could she not know for what all you were doing for her she knows yeah no no no there's no question about this is like you're a smart woman this is she absolutely knew and she just had a tough way look at the upbringing i'm sure it was kind of like you know your dad's an alcoholic this there wasn't a lot of like i'm guessing that uh people were more hard on you than they were uh throwing out i love you and you're great and did anybody in the family get yeah i didn't get that i didn't no no not really i i think i grew up the way i was because of that because of my mom constantly telling me you know i'm ugly i'm stupid she told you you were ugly and stupid i mean and i could go into all the details about my ears were too big.

But you were like, Mom, I slept with Tom Jones. Well, that was much later on. But after that, I would have gone in there, and I would have said, check this. I just screwed Tom Jones. So how ugly am my mom? And went out with Elvis, but we won't go there.

Did you have sex with Elvis? No, because I was underage. And he was respectful. Yeah, he had to be. He had like 12 guys that watched him every move, I swear to God. How old were you? 17. So you were just a year shy of banging Elvis?

Is that right? Possibly. It's one of my greatest regrets. I mean, so who? I would have banged Elvis. I know, right? I'm a straight guy as far as I know. Rob, would you bang Elvis?

But really, Elvis, you know. Probably not. Probably not. You're just so straight, you couldn't do it. He's too straight. He's a quarter of a bottle of tequila away from fucking Elvis. Let me tell you that. I can tell you that right now.

We all were. Yeah. But yeah, yeah, I wish that would have happened instead of ending up with Tom Jones. Anyway, but yeah, I, I. You went a little, blah, blah, Tom Jones. So that wasn't good. The Tom Johns wasn't good. No, you know that whole story.

Oh, God. Well, I heard the whole story. My assistant said something that it was aggressive. It was aggressive sex. No, it wasn't. I was just a, you know, a virgin. So it wasn't prepared for any sex. I wasn't, you know.

So it wasn't like soft lovemaking that a virgin would expect or a home? Because he didn't expect me to be a virgin. I was working next door and a showgirl as a show girl dancing semi-nude every night. So he assumed you. You know. I think most people would probably assume that if you were. afterwards he said oh my god what's wrong i said yeah i'm a virgin he said oh come on that's bullshit you know and i was like no it's not it's really did you ever talk again to him yeah yeah uh yeah i wish i

never would i went back yeah it was worse the second there no i went wait the second time years ago no no we didn't do it the second time i saw him years later and um at some party and he was going to be at it and i was with a girlfriend of mine and i said oh my god there's tom jones i'm going go over and say hello and I go over there and I said oh I don't know if you remember me and he goes oh yeah I remember you the one with all the scars on your back I was burned in a fire I'm gonna tell you that

wait a minute I thought he was gonna oh yeah thank you good to know thanks that's what he said yeah so that was even worse than the in the in the show of thing right yeah he was that cruel was he just trying to be I mean I don't even know is he just

an asshole I don't know I guess you're like hey remember me yeah you had scars a lover of your back. Yeah, you're the one with the scars. And how many years had you had not seen him? Oh, that had probably, I was in my mid-20s, so from 19 to maybe 25, something like that. Nice, right? Tom Jones. Guys, this is what not to say to people. I mean, yeah, that's just disgusting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me ask you this. Okay. Oh, my God. Could you imagine saying something like that? I mean, that really, that really hurt, honest to God. That first time I'm hurt physically. The second time just hurt like, ah, you know, I just wanted to, like, crumble up and die right there.

Yeah, I mean, I've had some girls say like, oh, yeah, you're the guy with, you know, some hair on your back, you know, not a big deal. I mean, I don't have, I don't have a lot of hair in my back, but, you know, a little, little, I'm just kidding. They don't have a weird shaped penis. Just at least they didn't say, oh, the guy with a tiny dick. Yeah, you're the one with the small weenie. Yeah, that one now, that'd be cruel. Yeah, it wouldn't be cruel as like somebody going after some physical, like, scar. I mean, what the hell?

You got scars, so you burned yourself. How did you burn yourself? I read that somewhere. Yeah, when I was two. I actually, I climbed up on the stove. I caught my dress on fire. But luckily, I grabbed the pot of boiling water that my mom was boiling Easter eggs in and pulled it over on top of me. So it saved you from the fire.

But no, but so I had third degree burns on 35% of my body. But none of the parts where you actually show it on Alvirus. Only my neck, my neck, but my shoulders and, yeah, yeah, Elvirus shows all the good parts. Are you self-conscious of that still to this day? Yeah. You are. Yeah. I don't wear sleeveless.

I don't wear, I mean, anything. But first of all, is it really that bad? Not anymore that I grew up. I mean, you know, because all the skin graft things stretched out and it got less purple and red. When I was a kid, I was really made fun of a lot. Oh, my God. Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, monster, blah, you know, laughed at everything.

Which, let me ask you, do you think that in part sort of, I mean, you got an alcoholic father you've got a mother's not saying my dad by the way was alcoholic but he was a very functioning alcoholic i mean he went to work every day worked just came home and drank like six to eight beers was he abusive though nope nope oh that's good not at all not at all oh that's great no he was just liked his booze just like booze and he died from drinking his i don't know he died from bone cancer but yeah my i have four uncles who died from like liver cirrhosis of liver I had an uncle that died from Sarasas's liver. On my mom's side, her father's sister died of, like, drug overdose at 36.

She was gorgeous. Her name was Honey. And she died at 36. And the other side of the family had some shit happen with some people who died young from alcoholism. It's pretty intense. But to grow up in that household and like, I'm looking at you, I'm like going, how are you? My childhood wasn't nearly as bad as this. I wasn't. I mean, how do you do?

Right now out of biography. Is this why you like horror movies? Is that why at a young age you were like, oh, I'm a monster? Well, then I'm going to love the monsters because I can relate to them. I did get into horror movies in second grade and nobody else was into him, certainly not girls. But I saw these magazines, like famous monsters magazine. And then my cousin took me to a bunch of the old Roger Corman movies like Pitna Pendulum, a Tomb of Ligia, all those.

My first one was House on Hon. heels and I was just completely like you like that called the head the head the head the head with two things no it was but it wasn't your favorite thing okay into that head no it was just a bad but i really did get so into horror then i mean that may have had something to do with it who knows you know do you know i'm a die hard horror fan are you really die hard yeah i watched i have horror movie nights here every week with you're kidding with some of my buddies and we we try to find good horror because it's very hard to find her in fact i saw another shitty horror movie in the theaters yesterday uh it was just to another one of these movies

where it's just like can we be original at all can the scares be can the story be somewhat plausible can this I want something real I'm in the process I'm not have you done any horror movies I mean

I did a movie I was in a movie called Urban Legend I was one of the leads in Urban Legend I did a movie called Curse with West Craven which wasn't very good I loved working with Chris West Craven he asked me to do the movie and I said yes before reading the script

because I just wanted to be work with him I didn't get a shit yes too yeah and I made a short horror film that was at scream fest so I do love hard I'm getting more into it. And now, yeah, I'm just a huge horror nut. So I'll show you around the house.

I'll show you some horror stuff that I have. I'm good buddies with Bruce Campbell. You know Bruce? Yes, yes. I love Bruce. Oh my guy. I love him. And that's one of my all-time.

Evil Dead guys. Tyler, have you seen it? Rob, have you seen Evil Dead 2? Evil Dead 2 is my favorite. A long time ago. Do you know what his coined phrase is from that movie? No. I don't even know.

You know it, don't you? No. I forgot. Goofy. Goofy. Come on. Thank you. Remind me. How can you forget that?

I forget everything. First, you want to kill me. Now you want to kiss me. Blow. You don't remember Bruce. That's good. The voice is perfect. Bruce was down here.

He was really stoned and we did a pilot together. I got sort of fired from the pilot, but then they never even recast me. Sort of fired? Well, they never recast me from the pilot. Thank you. I knew that Rob, if I mentioned some self-deprecating fact, he'd want to embellish it. Yeah, I got fired. I think it's embellishing if I'm asking you.

Sort of pregnant. Yeah. Well, whatever. Sort of pregnant. Well, we shot the pilot. They screened the pilot at my house here in the screening room. And then they picked it up for five episodes, but said as long as we have to get rid of Michael and hire someone else. But then they never hired anyone else.

And they never aired the show. Oh, so that was sort of fired. I'm looking at your pictures. You bitch! Yeah. I'm looking at the picture. I should have noticed. you're sitting right under Alfred Hitchcock.

Why she made me turn my neck? I told you had surgery, Cassandra. Oh, don't turn your neck. Okay, well, I'm telling you, you should know they were back there. Yeah, you know who's that, that is. Yes, of course, the Wicked Witch from the Wizard of Boss. What was her name? What was her name in real life?

Oh, my God, Margaret Whiting. Margaret Hamilton. Oh, God, that was so close. Wasn't it Elmira Gulch or something? Oh, well, before she turned into the witch. Right. Yes, Elmira. Look at that.

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So, you know, what's funny is we really haven't even got into Elvira and you probably like that because that's all you ever fucking talk about is Elvira. It is. I know. That is all I ever talked about. But you were Alvira, but you were a, you were. I still am. Yeah, you're not saying you're not. You still are. Yes. But from all this, somehow you found something. I feel like if you didn't find something when you were like going through groundlings and finding this character, is it possible? Am I out of line to say that maybe it saved your life, that you found something that really just changed you forever? Yeah, I don't know about saving my life, but I tell you, I was one inch away. from just quitting showbiz. I mean, I had wanted to be, I didn't know what I wanted to be, a dancer, singer, actor, but I knew from a really young age I wanted to be in show business somehow.

It was really bizarre. I looked at all these scars. I was really, really introverted, but I wanted to, like, perform in front of everybody that came over to our house. I was about three months from saying, no more showbiz,

because I was turning 30. I had just gone in to see this agent. I'll never forget his name, Edgar Small. And I had gone in to see him trying to get a new agent because I'd been on the road with a band for a long time And I came back to L.A. Went to see him and he goes, how old are you?

And I go 29, he goes, oh, well, I'm sorry, you're washed up. Your husband, go back to Kansas, you know. He said that. Yeah, yeah, he was just like, I'm not taking on him. You sure wasn't Tom Jones? He was talking to this agent? No, it was a Tom Jones uncle, Edgar Small. Edgar Big.

You should start calling Tom Jones, Edgar Small. Yeah, I should. Well, I can't say that. So go ahead. So what did you do? But anyway, so I left there, like, I just have to get out of show business. I'm 30. When you're a female, and this was like in the 70s, you know, late 70s.

When you do turn 30, your career can be kind of over. Then it really was. I was like, well, what are you going to do? It's 30-year-old female. And so I thank God, I did not sign with him because I swear, like, two weeks later, I got, well, I got married. I went on honeymoon. and then I got this audition for a local horror host thing. And I was like, horror, that'd be fun.

And it paid like 300 bucks a week. So it wasn't like, oh, finally, I'm wealthy. And was it called Elvira at the time? It was called movie macabre. And they wanted me to be vampire. And that's a whole other story. Right. Because vampires before, that was like...

She was in like 1953. That's what started at all, right? But it was a different thing. She was the first horror hostess ever. So they wanted me to be another vampire, but then she sued me because we were going to use a name. when we had to change the name at the last minute. So we drew names out of a can.

They drew Elvira. What were some of the other names? Well, I put in Cassandra, smart. Cassandra. I thought it sound kind of witchy, but then, how would I be now? Like, it would be Cassandra, and that would be Southern Cassandra. I would have to change my real name. That would be really weird.

So thank God I didn't pick my name. I don't remember any of the other names. All I remember is picking that name and going, Elvira, that sucks. That sounds like a country western star. It is. It was an Oak Ridge Boy song. Gidea, boom, bah, baoom, maoom pop, mao, gitty up. Do you remember that song, Rob's too nice to remember anything. Come on fire for Elvira.

I always, there's always one drunk guy in the audience. Wherever I appear, there's that Elvira. Do you want to kick his ass? I do want to kick his ass. I'm so sick of my ass right now. Yes. But you have a neck injury, so I'll wait. Yeah.

I see Rob's ass right now. I love it, hanging out of his pants. No, I actually, I don't want it. It's your shirt. It's a tucked in, sorry. I thought I saw your ass. I got excited. Wow.

First he wants to blow Elvis. Now he wants to, oh, I know. I'm getting a whole different vibe about you, Michael. You know, I'm very comfortable with my sexuality. I have a lot of gay friends, a lot of straight friends. I say what I want. I like to walk around the house naked. You're very fluid.

Fluid? Fluid? I know what the word fluid means, but what do you're very sexually fluid? Well, how about just fluid like you've got to go with the flow? You're fluid. Yeah. I would not say fluid to be. people because that goes more towards like, you know.

No, I'm into women. I am into women. There you go. I think. I mean, for the most part, for 46 years I've been into women. But, like, there's been some men that I've seen that I'm, I, I, I could talk to my therapist about. I go, he goes, I don't know.

I just, I see these men and I'm like, wow. And he's like, well, do you want to fuck these men? He didn't say that because he's my therapist. And I said, well, no, I don't want to fuck. He said, he said, copulate. Yeah, kind of. You want to have sleep with them? I go, no, do you have thoughts of their penises?

I go, oh, God, no. then what is and I go well I just feel like envious of their their body of their looks of their physique he's like yeah every guy's like that yeah okay good I think so I mean if you are comfortable sure he doesn't want to Tyler I'm bisexual you're you what I'm bye oh you are yeah well Tyler is bisexual oh there you go well thank God fluid see now that's fluid see that's fluid God well see that's are you bisexual uh well uh have you had sex with a woman well I've tried a little bit of this and that everything you know what you mean everything you went from this and that to everything not everything but but yeah i mean i've i've always experimented and i trying to find the right thing that was right for me because how do you know that it's wrong for you if you haven't tried it so you're saying i should i think matt damon yeah because i've been talking about that for sure do that oh my god no no not matt damon oh i just saw that queen movie bohemian rhapsody oh lordy god that was a great movie

i like i loved it too i freaking loved that that the, you know, the gay thing, bisexuals were I mean, he was really gay, I believe, but then he was in love with that girl, Mary, forever, but then he's... You're born with the direction you want to go, and you can go in any direction. And that's true. So who was the first woman you had sex with? Oh, I didn't... Well, you kind of insinuated, I'm not even going to go there. I think it was when I was like in Girl Scouts in fourth grade or something, but it wasn't sex, but, you know, it was...

Kissy-touchy? I mean, yeah, do you know, I think all guys, I think all guys, I think you are bullshitting me even you if you say that when you were a kid you didn't kind of mess around with one of your friends I mean little boys do that and I think girls do that I think I did yeah I think yeah touch the we did yeah I think I know you did he just called me he yeah I did I remember this guy Brian he was like got a we're all out of party's like he just whipped it out in front of everybody and everybody's like oh look Brian's she's got a wiener and it's hard and everybody I think everybody just poked at it once and I I think I was one of the pokers.

I didn't like play with it, but I poked it for sure. I poked his hard boner. Does that make me gay? No, I don't give a shit. If it does, I'm gay. I think every, every kid, you know, does that at some time or another with, you know, with, you know, other kids at the same set. And they're, they're practicing.

I used to practice making out with my, with one of my girlfriends. We'd like, how would you kiss in case a boy ever came along, you would kiss, but we didn't think one ever would, you know. So they either kiss your best friend or kiss your pillow or your arm. We practiced a lot. on her arm. Right. I still do that. I still do that. Fresh breath is so important, isn't during a kiss? It really is. It really is. It really is important. I mean, if they have horrible breath, you got to go. You're out. You've had that before? I'm out. I've just gotten close enough to

somebody that I was like, oh, I got to go. I have to sort my sock door, you know, and ugh, no. Has anyone ever wanted, this is a stupid question because I know the answer. Are you enjoying this so far? Oh, yes. It's really fun. Isn't it? You weren't expecting so much fun. Admit it. I really I wasn't expecting all this. Yeah, this is just fun. We just have a good time. We're open. I like this.

I really like this. How many guys in your lifetime have said, while you're dating them, have said, can you please be all viral while I'm having sex with you? Can you put the outfit on? Yeah, probably all of them, which I never did, not even for my ex-husband. You never did it once. No. I don't want to mess up my hair and makeup.

I'm not kidding. You would never put the makeup on the wig and be like, giddy-up. I want to fuck up my hair. That's ridiculous. Yes, that wig is too much money to have it's styled. You know what I would have done? You know what I would have done? They're fucking cheapos because I would have bought a second wig just for us to have fun with.

Well, yeah. Then you couldn't complain. Hey, this is not the Elvira wig. This is the wig that I purchased from a real hairdresser. This is made from real hair. This is shares hairdresser. Should we have Tyler bring out the wig? Tyler, bring out the wig.

Oh, whoa. You got one back there. Yeah, and even I was asked to do Playboy I layout Playboy as Elvira. You wouldn't do it? No, I didn't do it because, you know, Elvira's a pretty PG character, really. She is, really.

So I didn't want to run that. She's perverse a little bit. She insinuates things. Yes, but she never goes over the line. She never goes over the line. That's true. And I think that's what's sexy about her. I think so, too.

This was so funny. I was having, when I was offered a lot of money, that most money they ever offered anyone except Bear Fossett. And Hugh Hefner used to tell me that all the time. To do Playboy. And I really, really wanted that money. How much?

A million dollars. What year? About 84. Hang on a second. In 1984, they asked you Cassandra Peterson to pose as Elvira and Playboy for one million dollars, which is now probably worth $5 million. Maybe. Yeah. Oh, I wanted that money in the worst way.

I got to tell you. And what made you say now? Well, I was thinking, thinking, you know, and I'd post before it. magazines. I used to work for Playboy. So you have, there's photos of you nude? I was a showgirl. Yes, all over the place. I didn't know that. I've never seen you new. I'm like totally fine with that. I'm like, oh, I'm not, it's not like I'm really shy. I can't believe I haven't seen

these photos. No, I'm kidding. Oh, well. Anyway, but yeah, I used to, so I was, like I said, I was a showgirl by the time I was 17. I was running around with, you know, practically nothing on except feathers. So I was not shy, but I went to some kind of a panel that I did with my fans and I told them that I was offered to do it at Playboy and believe it or not and there's plenty of you know horny dudes in those crowds everyone said no no because they said that I would ruin the mystique that Elvara had I just showed enough to keep it mysterious and sexy and they said if you did that it wouldn't it would be like no more mystery no more mystique it's almost like

David Prowse like Darth Vader just like not wearing the mask while he's like talking the Luke yeah yeah it's like oh well we want to know what's behind but we don't get to see it. Yeah. And, you know, I couldn't have this awesome cereal today, right, if I've been running around taking nude pictures with Al Barrett. Let's go back to the hair messing up during sex with your husband. God, no. I wouldn't even do it for him. So how did they really try, which I, like, if I was your husband or your boyfriend, I'd probably really try to go, what how could I do? What could, how could we make this happen? You know, it's very bizarre. What is it that you wouldn't let them? You don't love them enough. No, when you get

into that character, you don't love them enough. No, when you get into that character, and you look like that character for me, you just... Don't feel sexy? You don't feel sexy. You're being like a professional. Is that what it is? You don't feel sexy? I guess the same thing is if some...

Maybe. If some girls said, hey, I want you to shave your head, wear an Armani suit, and fuck me like Lex Luthor. Yeah. You would do it. And you have to stay... Well, you're a guy. You would do it for sure.

First of all, no one's ever asked me. And if it was my girlfriend of many years, and I felt like this is my wife, I'm going to love her. I could do whatever I want. want, I might do it. I might do it. You're lying. I bet you've done it. No, I've never done it. I mean, I've done it, but I haven't done that. That's, that's cheesy. Yeah. I don't know. It was just a buzzkill. It was a buzzkill. It wasn't, it didn't sound sexier, fun or anything. It was like, I'm working here. You know what I mean? That feeling. Yeah. But what if it was like they wanted you to act like

Elvira or you're having sex, like doing wisecracks. Like, hey, come on, come on, Edgar, you're better than that. Then I would have asked for money. Right, right. Interesting. So, I don't know. It just was like not sexy to me. It's painful. You're uncomfortable, hot. It's not uncomfortable. Right. Then, of course, that part's not uncomfortable. But, you know, it's just like, I'm not having fun. I mean, you know. You didn't want to do it. I didn't know what I'd do it. That's it. And you, it sounds to me like you shut them down and says, this is a conversation we can never have again. Kind of. Was that what you said? Pretty much. Yeah. And they respected that. Don't even go there. Don't even go there. Yeah. Did some of them not even want to go there?

They didn't go there. Really? They didn't go there. No. Right. After I told him not together. Now, do you think that you, you know, you're 17 years old? Let's get back to some therapy here. No, let's go back to 17 years old, so 10 years ago. But you're 17.

I remember that I read somewhere where you left, like you were going, you're in Vegas and you saw something, you audition for something and got it. And your parents were like, what are you doing? Let's go. Like. No, this was really weird story. I was in high school and it was spring break. And my parents went to go to California.

Can you open that bottle of water? Yes, I can't even do it. Thank you. I know. Oh, no, that's it. Thank you. No problem. That's hint water.

Oh, you're strong. They don't even give me money. They just give me free water. Hint, yeah. Oh, that's awesome. So anyway, yeah. So my parents wanted to go to California with me and my two sisters. So I was 16, about, between 16 and 17.

We are on the way to California. They stop in Las Vegas. I had seen Viva Las Vegas with Elvis Presley and Margaret. And I begged my parents to take me in to see that they were going to a big show the Dunes Hotel, begged and pleaded to take me. And they said, well, you can't get in there. And I said, yes, I can. I have a fake ID that says I'm 21. And they're not supposed to have that. And they go, well, I do. And then I dressed up, I said, you know, I'll look, believe me, I'll look over 21. So I put, like, all these little wigglets on my head. And I put, it stuffed my bra.

I had my Fredericks of Hollywood super stuffed cleavage bra. And I had eyelashes I put on. So I either looked like a hooker or a showgirl. So you looked over 21. I looked over 21. So I went in with my mom and dad, sat down, the matriette came over and said, oh, you must be in one of the shows here. I was just dressing up like Anne Margaret in View Las Vegas. And I go, no, I'm not, no, I am not a show girl. A few minutes later, out comes this dance captain. Her name was fluff. And she said, come with me.

Come backstage a moment, can you? And I was like, oh, my God, I'm busted. They have the police back there. You know, I really, I was panicked. And my parents were saying they're going, oh. Lord God, what happened? And I went back there. The stage manager and a couple of other people and they said, we're mounting a new show tomorrow called Vivalet Girls. I mean, all these Vivalet, vivolos, everything. And we're still looking for show girls. And would you be interested in auditioning?

And I went, I'm only 17. And I broke down and started crying. And they go, you know, we're going to put some music on and you dance to it. Do you know how to dance? And I said, yes, I'm a dancer. It's what I've been studying dance my whole life. And they put the music on and got done. They said, all you have to do is meet with the producer tomorrow and you can be in the show. And they go, my parents are not going to let me. I can tell you. And we went and met with the producer the next day. He said, yes, I want to hire you.

And he said to my parents, they said, well, she's only 17. And he said, we can get papers drawn up that say that she can be in the show. She just can't come into the casino where there's gambling or drinking. She has to come and go by the back door. But she can be in the show running around and there's skivis, you know. And my parents said no and drug me out of there. I made their life a living hell for the next six months. I finished high school by the skin of my teeth, let me tell you.

And I don't know how I got through that. And I headed back to Vegas the next day where they still wanted me. I was in communication. And that's how it all started. And that's how it started. I was a go-go girl before that, though. So I'd been a go-go girl since I was 14. And your parents didn't care were they sort of upset with you.

Do you feel like you let them down? No. No. I mean, they thought it was fabulous after I finally began a. showgirl they thought it hit the big time you know um it wasn't that they didn't care it was that i did anything i wanted to do i was pretty rebellious yeah more so than your other sisters more so than a hundred thousand times more they never did any of the stuff so you talk back to mom i talked back and they didn't you know my parents basically i think there was so working so much

that they didn't know most of what i was doing or they'd yell at me i just didn't listen i'd moved out But I lived on my own when I was 14. I moved out. I can't even imagine that. I know. When I see, when my daughter was 14, I was like, you could not survive for three seconds. You know, but I moved out. I couldn't deal with my mom.

We had a horrible relationship. And I was driving all over in Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Wyoming, on the go-go dancing circuit. I had to do that like in summer. You must have been, I mean, for them to like, I mean, you must have been phenomenal looking like beautiful and can dance i look for some of gigantic boobs that made me very popular my name was big red that was that was that was that was that big boobs you think that helped a lot oh god yeah are you kidding plus i twirled tassels that always comes in handy so i got a lot of money making you know you dancing i mean go go go i worked at a club in colorado springs called

club a go go we're a danced inside a glass cage really yeah like the light red light district sort of stuff. No. Oh, no. It was like a nice big club. It was like when the whiskey had go-go dancers on sunset. Oh, yeah. You're not that old, but I'm 46.

Yeah. I mean, you're not that old. When I came here when I was a kid, on the whiskey, on the corner of it was the glass case. And there were girls in there with white go-go boots and fringy dresses and a black-light go-go dancing outside on the building. Yeah. Did you feel like this is like when you're doing this, are you thinking there's something

bigger, there's something better? or I could do this forever. I like this. I'm thinking nonstop. There's something bigger. There's something better. And what was that in your head? I didn't know.

Well, then when I saw Ann Margaret and Elvis in that movie, I thought, that's what it is. That's bigger. That's better. That's where I want to go. And then it just happened. It didn't even go out and look for it. It just found me. And that's kind of how my whole life has been.

Then I'd go, that looks good. I'll do that. And then it just happens. Do you like to do everything still? Do you like to say, hey, I'm going to try that. God, I'd like to do this. I want to do this. Does that never stop?

Or do you ever, are you insatiable? Or do you sort of be like, you know, I was in a band. I did go-go dancing. I'm Elvira. It's enough. I do the conventions. It's enough. When is it enough?

I don't know. I wonder. I'm like, what's the next thing? But I mean, there are things as Elvira that I would like to do. Well, I'd like to write my autobiography. I think I've given all of the information away here today. I'd like to write my autobiography, which I'm about half done with it right now, but I never get, that's one of the, have you written a book? No, I thought about it.

Oh, man. You have to write, though, don't you? You have to write and you have to learn how to spell. But you have to sit down and do it because you can't just do, oh, I'll do a half an hour today. I'll do two hours next Wednesday. You have to really sit down and think, you know, and really put it together. Or hire someone really smart to sort of dissect your brain. I don't like ghostwritten biographies.

I don't say it's ghost writing. It's like, hey, you know, recording all this today and then going each day and then sort of like putting all your thoughts together in a cohesive manner, maybe. Yeah, that's my problem because I'm like one of those people that my daughter always says the way I talk is like, oh, honey, how are you? Look, that's a squirrel. That's what my assistant says about me. Oh, really? Squirrel. Squirrel.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm like that. I know. I think that's that we both have ADHD. Yeah. Absolutely. I'm sure. I do.

I can't concentrate for two minutes. Security. Oh, you do? Do you? Yeah. I think it's really important. I do too. Rob, are you having phone with Cassandra Peterson today?

I am. Isn't she phenomenal? She is? I mean, I'll be honest. How do you tell when Rob is having fun? I'm not going to throw Rob into the bus. But Rob, let's give him credit. He's 29 years old.

He's a smart guy. He's business savvy. I think he's 30. 30. He's technological. He's an artist. He's all these things. So is Tyler.

But, you know, when I say Elvira, he's heard of you. But he doesn't really know Elvira. Like, it was more of my job. generation, more of what I want, but now it's coming back around. But Rob, I think you, I could tell you're pleasantly surprised, like, holy shit, this woman is pretty phenomenal. How do you tell Rob does anything? He's got the same expression on his face all the time. He looks very pleasant. Well, what have you gathered so far today? How would you describe this interview? I don't even know how to describe it. I'll tell you what. Would you say it's incredibly informative

and insightful? It's been informative. It's been a little all over the place. Yeah. And I think that's because her life my life sort of have all been all over the place and how do you sort of how do we go like what's the word when you go in order sequentially chronologically you can't you can't really do that because she says something interesting and then I want to hear about that so then we come back to tangents like I don't want to get back to like you know things that you know we talk about in the show like with all these things you sound pretty daring but I never heard a lot about anxiety I never heard about depression I never heard about pill popping I never heard about if you never had really have you always had your shit together somewhat uh no i've always been like kind of a wreck

but i i never i did a ton of drugs back in the 60s what drugs were you doing hair on oh no i never did heroin i no i cocaine lots and lots of cocaine uh yeah i did that that could have been the one drug i would have gotten in trouble with you know if i could would have kept going was tom jones doing coke that night no no god i hadn't even heard of drugs back that except pot and you know, weed of smoking that all the time. But I had done LSD, which I happened to think probably changed my life. In a good way? In a good way.

It was not a good experience at the time. But I always say the two things that I think that changed my life, completely my perspective of life, you kids now listen to this good advice, is dropping acid. Jesus Christ. And going to Europe when I was really young. I saved up my go-go dancing money and I went to Europe. on supposedly on an art history tour but I got out of Kansas

in Colorado Springs and I was like oh my God look at the food you know I mean I thought Italian food was like Chef Boyardee you know and all of a sudden it was like my God this is so fantastic and and you know the place is and it was so old and beautiful and amazing and it was just like there's this world out there and the same sort of thing on acid

it was like oh my God my wallpaper can talk and my dog has one it doesn't have a head and there's so much out there. Folks, Alvira, Cassandra Peterson is telling you to do two things. One, get out of your home, go to Europe, get out of your comfort zone, and also try some LSD. Well, I'm not kidding. But it was a different time than LSD. It was a different time.

I've never done LSD. It scares me because. Well, you do it with a person with you now. You wouldn't just go do it like I did. Well, why don't we go see Bohemian Rhapsody and do some LSD together? Wouldn't that be a great first time? Oh, that would be fantastic. There's a book out right.

now Michael Pollan, yeah, that is the food, talking about how LSD completely changed his life and his outlook on life. I mean, you kind of die and then you're reborn. I did. I was underground. I was a casket. I'm afraid I'm going to do something. You're going to have someone with you who's going to watch you and take care of you. You're not going to jump out of window. I went late on the railroad tracks for a couple hours till a friend of mine found me. Thank God. The train hadn't come yet. Yeah. See, that's why you want somebody with you. Yeah. And I'm going to take a low dose. How about just like, you know, like, can I just take like an L? You know, you can't OD on it. You cannot OD. It's physically impossible. There's no way to die on acid, except if you jumped out of a window.

Or if it's battery acid, you take by accident. Yes. Then you're going to fucking die. Yeah. Right. Exactly. But yeah. But all this, but so, so never really any anxiety. You had you shit together. You never got really depressed. But what you said. No, I had anxiety. When I got famous, I got serious anxiety. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's panic attacks. Me too. Did you, yeah, because all of a sudden, you're a normal person walking around the streets, and the next thing you know, there are people looking for you.

I had a stalker, and that scared the living crap out of me, and people treat you differently, and everything's different all of a sudden. Not really. I get normal anxious over things, you know, like people do. Like, do you ever, like, while you're working, have an anxiety attack while you're working? No, I only had anxiety attacks one time, and that was when right up. after I got famous. My sister was having a lot of trouble. I was trying to

put her in rehab. And then I got this stalker. And then I became, I started to get scared of everywhere I went. I imagined I'd see somebody behind me. Was he dangerous? Oh yeah. He was super dangerous. I'd get LAPD. They painted my address on the roof. I got two

Rottweilers, which I attacked train. I had to be, it was very, very good. What constitutes? He sent me a body part in a little box. A body part. On my doorstep, nobody would ever tell me what it was, not my husband. If it's a body part, it's a finger or a penis, probably. Something in a box of a person, a woman, something.

So it wasn't a penis. Yeah. And I wish it would have been his. But I've had like, I think, seven or eight stocking cases now that I've gone through. I've been around so freaking long. I have an active one now and I'm 100 years old. It doesn't ever stop? Why do you think you're so old?

I don't know, because I am. But you're not. I'm 67. How do you feel? I feel like 12 Okay, I'm 46 and I feel 80 Oh, that's not good Listen, it's ridiculous

So my grandmother said something really sweet She says, Mikey, you never even understand People go through life And they don't realize that you're 50s, your 60s, You're 70s, even in your 80s Those are the best years of your life You travel, you do things She goes my 70s were the best

I'm telling you your best years are you have to come I hope so I hope I get a break And I can stop working What do you mean a break? You're a millionaire Well, I just don't want, you know, it's not the money. It's just like, I think I'm very obsessed about work. Are you kind of, I'm a workaholic. I'm not anymore.

I kind of, like, work so much for so long that I'm kind of now. Like, I found this podcast that I really enjoy. I'm trying to do things that I really enjoy. I have a band. I do podcasts. I'm still writing. What are you doing? What do you play?

Lead singer, I write the songs that make the young girls cry. What kind of, uh, it's kind of like, uh, southern rock meets sort of like the wallflowers kind of thing. I'm just trying to do things that I love and I look I still like acting I'm going to take your advice you take mine drop acid I'll take yours do things I love well listen what do you want to do diet 90 or whatever whenever you die and then go God I just I was always so obsessed with working yeah no I know but my work is fun it's not like my work is in a factory if you enjoy your work that's different do you really love I started to think that like I'm like I don't really like 16 hour days I don't want to do the same same seeing over and over and over. I'm too ADD. I don't want to do it over and over unless, by the way, unless it's great, unless this stuff is so good that I have to do it. And I've done a lot of good stuff and a lot of shit that I just am going to wait around

whether I don't care how long it takes. I want the good stuff. So if some good stuff is brought to me, I'm going to do it and write my own shit. And otherwise, I'm happy. You know, people always ask you, what are you doing? What are you doing next? I'm trying to take it day by day. Yeah.

No, that's good. Yeah. I don't like acting. I hate acting. I hate getting parts on any, any, like a, I don't know, television show, movies, which I don't take or I don't do, but I'm talking about long ago when I did. I hate freaking just normal acting. Hit your mark. Remember the lines. The long day. I really do not that. Unless it's really fun. Unless you're not really an actor. Unless you're having fun. When I was doing Mistress of the Dark, my movie a million years ago, I had fun. Because I wrote it and I couldn't wait to see how it came out. I was excited every minute. See, I directed my own thing and produced it and wrote and started. Then it was fun.

And then it was fun. And I remembered my lines because I wrote them. Because you wrote them. I know. But see, there's some fun. Look, the industry can be fantastic. It could be, it's also dangerous if you let it become dangerous. Like, in terms of like letting your head get too big, letting, you know, doing things that you would normally do, thinking you're sort of invincible, being around toxic people, people that bring you down.

But I think that's the world. I think we all have that, no matter what profession you do. Yeah. No, it's true. Yeah, to a certain degree. But I think acting and doing films is one of the, really one of the hardest jobs in the world because you're not just doing physical work. You're not just doing mental work.

You're doing emotional work. And you're combining everything. And the hours are ridiculous. I mean, it's sick. I'm lazy. I'm fucking lazy. I don't want to work 16 hours. Why did they do that?

You know, it's like my friend Phil goes, yeah, I work today. I'm like, awesome, dude. What were your hours? It was like, I work nine to five. Well, I can't film. hours be nine to five. Sometimes that sounds so great. Well, you make a lot more money, but I know, but nine to five seems like I could do that. Yeah. My body can actually handle nine to five. Me too. With a nap, with a nap, with a nap in between. About night scenes. Oh, then then go 10 to six.

Yeah. But then you get so screwed up. Like, oh, yeah, your mind is screwed up. Yeah. Look, I love what I do. I've had a, I love my career. I love where, where I've come from, you know, where I'm going. And again, I'm learning to take it, be present, doing it day by day. And I think that's the most important thing. And that's, I know it sounds like it's just like having a therapy session. Well, it is. It's easier said than done, but I think if you just try to, I mean, the more I try to stay in the moment, the more I have fun with my life. Instead of filming everything, I was always that kid from Beverly Hills 902 and I remember the kid who was always filming every fucking thing. Yeah, instead filming everything, just be. Yeah, my uncle was like, we were at Disney World. He's like, Michael,

we're actually at Disney World. You don't need to film of how fun we're having. That you're never going to look at anyway. So I was like, wow, that's pretty profound. It's pretty crazy when you see people with their iPhones. I mean, I do it too, but running around with their iPhones, taking shots at everything, and they're at a concert, and they're holding it out of the concert. It's like, watch the fucking concert. Just enjoy it. Just enjoy it.

You're taking a video. Are you really going to go home and watch a two-hour concert later on your phone, on the screen? I bet some people will. Two inches wide. Depends on what kind of microphone you had and how good it sounds. I don't know. This is the concert I was at. Now I'm listening to it.

I wasn't listening to it there. I know you were divorced once. You have one child. How old is your child? 24. 24 young. That could be my child. Oh, yeah.

It could be. I had her very, very late. And when I was 43. Do you want to get married again? No, no, never, no. Do you date? Huh? Do you date?

Yes. Well, I have somebody that I, yeah. Oh, yeah. How long you've been with? I'm not going to talk about it. Hang on a second. Oh, is that one secret thing? Is that the one thing?

Is it because you're all viral? You don't want people to know that you have a piece of ass on the side? Sort of, right? It's very private. You're very private about that. This is the, you have been so open that it's an amazing how something that seems so just small, but I can appreciate that. I can appreciate that.

I got in trouble a couple times. I'm not dating the person now, but I said a couple of things, and it wasn't bad, but boy, did I never hear the end of it. Yeah. But it's not even about that. It's too tricky. I already blew it one time and being married and talking to people about my relationship about my husband or blah and then people find out too much information and know things and then

my husband at one time got a person who was coming half to him it's going to kill him and you know I just I don't want to bring that part of my personal life into that makes perfect sense pretend showbiz life just like yeah you don't want to put your address in top of your house again get two more rutwilers no I never want to do that and I never want to have to move again because I've had to move several times just because people found out where I'm live. It's so much harder being a woman. I think that happens more to women. It does. I mean, nine times that, I mean, 99 times out of 100, it happens to women. Yeah, you don't hear Jason Mamoa is being harassed. I think Jason, Momoa can handle it. He might be getting harassed. He's

pretty hot. He's a friend. He won't do the podcast, so he doesn't do podcasts. He's said S&L, though. He did S&L because S&L's not inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. That's right. You can work on him. Maybe one day. I'm going to work on him. I'm going to say, hey, Jason, you know. You did S&L, you should come do this. yeah yeah well this has been an incredible treat i just want to say uh first of all thank you for allowing me to be inside of you today well yeah well you're welcome anytime i mean thank you for the box of cereal um i really you might not thank you later i know this might sound creepy and it's not creepy but i definitely you're someone i'd like to be friends with oh like does he say that

no no i thought he was going somewhere else no no no i i have a feeling like Like, I just, I like you as a person. I just think you're a very genuine person. And it's just like, I could see like us playing some tennis together. Yeah. Well, for an actor, you are really, it seemed like a genuine non. I, I dated actors for, I would never date another freaking actor. I'm sorry.

I probably was that guy at one point, but I learned how to be a human being. Yeah, you are, you really are not like an actor. I would, if you, if I didn't know you were an actor and I just met you, I would not think you were an actor because there's a certain kind of guy. I think acting is something wrong with guys who are actors. What would you think I was if I wasn't an actor? Be honest. Radio DJ, because you're talking about, no.

Hey, no, but honestly, what would you think? I was curious. I don't know. Third grade teacher. Or a third grader. Maybe like a, no, maybe like a firefighter or something. Firefighter. With a bad neck.

Yeah. Firefighter. It's getting better. Yeah, you look very handsome. You might be a firefighter. Okay. Wow. This is your, yeah, but you're not the type of guy.

that's an actor and I mean I have actor friends okay I hope they don't hear this but they will but dating actors no yeah it's not easy you want to date someone who just is normal so some normal senior life or not normal actors thinking about how he looks and there's makeup and I've heard some guys ex-girlfriends have told me stories about guys who put makeup on before they go out before they go out at night or before they go out that'd be a deal breaker for me would you imagine but make it more, they're in front of the mirror more longer than you? No. And I love gay men and I love men

that wear makeup and drag queens. I'm around them every day all day. That's different. It's totally different. Right. They're not like straight man waking up and going, I need to look really. I'm going to like, what's this? What's this? What are these called? Contour on my cheeks. I'm going to make my nose look a little bit straighter.

This is awesome, man. I don't want this thing. Will you come back sometime? Sure. Would you? Yeah. No, this was super fun. And I'll promote anything you want. You want to promote the cereal box? Sure, cereal. It's a hot topic. Can you say that?

You get a piece of that? Yeah. How much to each dollar? You know, I don't know. I have a lot of licensed things and they're all different. Can I buy some things for you? Because I look, I want, first of all I wanted it. Bye, I'll give it to you.

No, no, listen, I want an Elvira ornament for my tree. Oh, I should have brought you. I want to buy one. No, listen, I want to, you give me, is there a website I can go to? Well, yes, but I can give you all that stuff. I don't care. I'll buy it. I have enough money to buy a $20 ornament.

Well, you can go to elvira.com. Alvira.com. You can even give me after this. You could say, here's a promo code. Okay. And then I can buy a whole bunch of fun shit. I don't have one. So you have to buy it the regular price.

So where else gets a great. Yeah. But this has been a real true. This has been a, I mean, I'm excited about this. Oh, thank you. That was super fun. This is so, yeah, you're, you're amazing. This is really fun.

I don't know how to end this. Does he say that? Does he say that? No. I mean, I have fun with people. But you're like something, you're an icon to me. You're like someone that I looked up to that I adored that. So this to me was like, I want to do more of this.

I hope people can really listen to this episode and just be educated on. And I really believe that what I wanted to say before I forget is that I know your mom is proud of you. I know she's looking down. I know that I really believe that. And she knows that. She knows that you looked after her. She knows that you were always there. And there's just no doubt about that.

And so I want you to smile and I go and to sleep. thinking you know what you know what go ahead yep no a freaky thing that just happened on my way here i just bought a little house that that i am going to be renting out and i have the workman over there fixing everything and that that house was built in uh 1916 and i went over just on my way here that's why i was a little late stopped in to see it and um someone there uh my assistant was over there too and said hey what was your mom's middle name and i said said Arlene and she goes her initials are here in this cement right here her name is Phyllis Arlene Peterson and it was PAP in this old old cement that was on the back porch

of the house now that's pretty bizarre right I go I mean of all the letters in the world right right and people honestly I have friends that are atheists people that will put shit down people say this come on you're full of shit we're just here by chance this is the big bank that all these things that you whatever i will just say i believe in all of that i believe in um all those little things i do too i believe in i believe in i believe that there's signs yep i do and especially after a person passes just recently i feel like there's a sign they they tell you signs in little ways my grandmother came to me in a dream and i just i like to think i like to have faith in something yeah and uh i think it's i think it's a beautiful yeah i think there's signs signs

signs everywhere oh sorry song from the 70s I really hated it was also a Tesla song they re did it and I hated that version I hate that song

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