Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - EMILY BETT RICKARDS: Fitting Out, Getting Jacked & Becoming Queen of the Ring

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

Emily Bett Rickards (Queen of the Ring, Arrow) joins us this week to share her experience going from canine caretaker to landing a recurring role on a fan beloved series and eventually getting cast sight unseen for a life changing opportunity as Mildred Burke in Queen of the Ring. Emily opens up about not fitting in and shares how her positive relationship with pride culminated at the perfect time for this new role. We also talk about her surprise when landing Arrow, removing ‘should’ from your vocabulary, and her video girl origins with Nickelback. Thank you to our sponsors: 🍓 Strawberry: https://strawberry.me/inside 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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that's what you want yeah it's fine yeah i'll handle it yeah should be good you sure because yeah yeah yeah uh emily bet records is a treat she's so smart and talented and she's got this new movie queen of the ring and you got to go check it out but we talk about everything we talk about uh early days the early days we go way back to a nickel back video that's how far we go back that's that was a good pull oh yeah couldn't believe that she uh she's so fun i wish uh you know i wish uh I wish it was in person, but... Next time. Next time.

Next time, she promised. All right, let's, without further ado, let's do it. Let's get inside of Emily Betts Records. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. I am a huge hockey fan. I played hockey my whole life.

I'm a diehard New York Rangers fan. You're probably since you're from BC, you're a Vancouver Canucks fan who they're not having a great year, but they're still on the cusp. They could still make it. We could always still make it. That's how I feel. As a, as a Canadian who's just, you know, indoctrinated into hockey at a young age, we're always just still going to make it.

Did you play hockey? No, I didn't. My partner played hockey, like, pretty hardcore. Really? Yeah. So I'm hearing a lot about that. My cousins grew up playing hockey and then every, every person I knew growing up played hockey. My dad played hockey. Yeah. Hockey's just like around. I mean, hockey's like baseball, football, basketball in the States. It is. I developed a hockey show that I'm trying to get made right now. So we're getting closer, but it's it's really cool, but it's very family oriented. But it's. Can I read it? Let me read the script. I don't let you read it. It's a quick read. It's like it's a pilot. So it's it's a pilot. So it's really cool. So it's it's really cool. So it's, it's it's really cool. It's. It's a pilot. So it's a lot. It's. It's. It's a pilot. It's a pilot. It's a lot. It's a pilot. It's a It's like it's a, they're half hour, so it's like 36 pages, but it's, I guess, congrats. That's so rad.

Yeah, it's great. You should read it actually. Why not? I love to read like anything people are making. I just so inspired by anybody who makes stuff. So I just like, see, I don't like when people always ask me to read scripts. Hey, can you read the script I just wrote? I have like, you know, it depends where it's at.

I mean, if it's like the first draft, I'm like, oh, shit, this is going to suck. Just like my scripts in the first draft. draft right yeah i know i've like i pay people to read them with the first draft but but you know what i i really love like i think i have a passion for is sort of script consulting in a sense like i love other people's stories and like it like kind of lets you see into their brain and then you know when i get notes on stuff you either take it or leave it or sometimes you get the note and you're like oh can i swear on this podcast can we swear oh shit yeah you could swear up storm i were like you know you get a note sometimes it's like oh no fuck that you don't know what you're talking about then two weeks

later you're like oh that note's great you know what i mean so yeah so sometimes notes are great sometimes or not and sometimes like you know just different ideas i i find like i love the magic of storytelling i like how things get put together and i like finding little patterns and i don't know it's a passion you know we could swear in the show but i'm a little surprised that you swore because you know Canadians are usually a lot nicer than i mean maybe i don't think swearing i don't think swearing makes you not nice well i didn't say it doesn't make you by the way it looks like there's smoke or it's a sun glare out there it's kind of cool it's cold today but it's sunny it's uh yeah we're in bc are you in bc we're in bc yeah we're we're blessed with today it's just

stunning out what's it like growing up as a canadian what what you know i mean you can't really put in a perspective because you don't know what it's like for you know someone in the United States to, you know, grew up in Indiana and like, but was it like simple and fun? Did you grow up on a farm? Did you grow up in a neighborhood? Did you like, I mean, I don't think we grew up in like a frozen town, you know. Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan. Yeah, yeah, you know, I grew up in a suburb close to the American border. So I had a lot of American friends growing up as well. Like it wasn't, didn't feel that separate, especially in the 90s, it wasn't as separate as it is now. you know um the the border was wasn't as intense as it is um in the last few decades but

i don't know i mean it was a really safe normal childhood you know like yeah super but we live on like we're coastal town so we're really always close to the ocean as a part of my soul part of my DNA and um you know treat like always have four seasons i think like that's really important to me be close to a body of water proverbly the ocean super important to me um And, like, you have to be close to the woods as well. So that's, I don't know, that feels, I don't know, that was my Canadian experience. I don't know if it's everyone. It's so weird growing up because, like, you know, I grew up in the Midwest and, you know, just neighborhoods and trees and cutting, jumping over people's fences and drinking out of garden hoses and catching fireflies and playing wiffle ball and getting a tick and your dad just taking a match and, you know, singeing the thing and it falls off.

And you're like, oh, I'm fine. Nowadays is like, like, oh, you might have Lyme disease. You could, like everybody, when I was a kid, it's just like everything's so peaceful and they're like, my parents never cared where I was. It was like, yep, be home by 10. And I, you know, and I would just be running around doing whatever and they weren't worried. And now, I mean, the world has changed. Yeah. Yeah, I think our world's changed drastically. I mean, we have technology to thank for that. You know, we're more connected. But we're also like, I feel like we're more, we feel like we're more in danger, you know. Yeah. But I, yeah, it's similar. You know, we were, I, you say tech. I remember, like, getting ticks out of my cat with, like, little tweezers and stuff. I know. Did you have a, like, was your childhood pretty normal? I mean, did you, because it's funny because I like to hear people's stories because I come from a little dysfunction. And, you know, I just like to hear, you know, how, I mean, did you have parents that you were really close with, unconditional love, all that kind of stuff?

I did. I am a product of unconditional love, which is, which is pretty cool. That's cool. I'm definitely going to put that out into the world. I mean, I think it's privilege. You know, I think it's, but it also, you know, I think if we all somewhere in life decide to give out unconditional love to other people, no matter how we got there as part of our own journey.

And I'm just really, you know, I am really grateful towards my parents. Now they didn't necessarily want me to be an actor. So that wasn't really on the docket. So that was maybe part of my struggle as well. And the way, they didn't want you to be an actor. No, I mean, like they wanted something a little more stable at the time. Now they're very, now they're very for it, obviously. But, you know, it's a dangerous dream, I guess, to have hope into somewhere that's not a guarantee.

And I think that that's what they worried about. Were you, you, you seem like, you know, meeting you at a con and just catching your vibe, however brief it was. But it just, there's like a coolness about you that I, I've never had. But, uh, there's just a laid back sort of. your own person, you know who you are, and you're a little offbeat in a great way, but like you, I'll say that. Yeah. It's like you, you go your own way. Have you always been like that? Have you always, did your parents always think you're a little, maybe a little introverted, but not? I mean, what were you like growing up? Yeah. I was always kind of like that. I felt like I was always,

I was always trying to like catch up in a way, but no one really, I didn't really, I think not fitting anywhere. kind of let you to fit everywhere in a sense like it was a little bit of a chameleon like I always said like I was good at a lot of things but I wasn't great at anything you know there was like um obviously sports were something that I could really get into but I was never like leading sports I was more just a runner in the soccer field like always benched kind of thing and um yeah I I found myself like fitting into a lot of different groups but not really finding a home there that makes sense that's exactly how I was we could relate on that level because it was like I hung out with the goth kids, the theater group, the, you know, some of the popular kids,

they, I wouldn't hang out with them, but they, you know, would acknowledge me and go, oh, hey, what's up, Rosie? You know, I was like little Rosie, the small kid, but I never really fit into any group. Even to this day, it's like I don't feel like I fit in. Sometimes I go to people's homes and they have little parties. And I always have felt sort of like the outcast or the one person who just doesn't really belong and that's an insecurity i've always had and i could cover it up i could you would never think that you think i'm the most positive um you know person and and outgoing but i've lived a lie

i feel that and i feel like i can relate to that especially like i'm speaking from a place now i think that that's changed a little bit but definitely younger and although i would say all the way through my 20s like it really did like i have this feeling that comes up when I talk about like I'm just trying to play catch up like I'm just trying to see if this works or see if that works like where am I going to land um now I think in those situations like at a party or something like that I really feel like I know my own value in this potentially like just a place for me to listen and observe and in which case like only feeds I don't know something I'm looking for whatever you know whatever it is whatever I'm supposed to

learn that day or you know the next what's what's my journey today. What am I sort of on the cusp of grasping in this life, you know? Yeah. But I feel that and I can really empathize with that. It can be an uncomfortable place to be. And I'm also saying, like, those are in my best moments. I feel like that. Those things can still catch up to you because they're like innate wounds, right? Like that can kind of reopen sometimes. Yeah. They're familiar in a sense, too. So there's a place in that that's also comfortable in an uncomfortable way right yeah i feel like i meet people whether it's cons or wherever and i genuinely like them like i'm having a good conversation or but in the back of my mind you know

they're like oh we should hang out we should go you know you know it gets a lunch or this and that and i know myself so well that i'm like no i think in my head i'm like this this is a nice moment and it's great hanging and maybe i'll meet you again but i i don't it seems like a lot of energy to always want to go start new relationships, especially when the older you get, you have your set group of friends. So it's very unlikely for me to allow someone new into the group. And because it's life's so time consuming and you want to, you don't want to spend your time with people that you don't necessarily know or unless you're forced to do so, like being on a set or whatever. You know, so it's not that I'm like, I don't want to hang out with

these people, just like, I know that I'm not going to have time to really do something, most likely. Yeah. And the other thing is, is like, am I going to hang out with you half present, right? Like that just waste my time and your time, unfortunately. Yeah. Right. Like. And, and then there's also weighing, you know, you obviously have rich relationships in your life already. So if you're going to spend time with somebody, you're also sacrificing potential time with somebody that already like feeds you and energizes you. But that being said, I think we know, we kind of know when we're going to hang out. Like when you're going to hang out with someone and say even that moment does drain you, you're kind of learning in that aspect too.

You're like, okay, that actually drained me too much than I was willing to give. But I probably absorbed something of that conversation or that energy. Yeah. You always get something. You get something from everyone. Everybody you meet, there's something that you learn. Like just talking to you today, I'll learn a little bit more about myself, a little bit about you and maybe use something in there to help myself, whether it's like,

how you deal with pressure, how you deal with stress, anxiety, which by the way, how do you do you do you do you get anxiety? Do you have you been depressed? Have you and how do you deal with all that? Because we talk about mental health in the show a lot. I feel like I get more stress than I get anxiety and I think and now I'm going to mess this up, but stress is feeling like you're not is that you're not going to get everything done and anxiety is worried that you're not going to be competent at it or something like that there's a very there was a definition i heard recently anxiety is always to me anxiety's the future um depression is sort of the past like you're dwelling on the past anxieties you're thinking about the future not being present but that's

stress i don't stress comes in many different ways many different ways yeah i wish i i wish i I wish I metabolized that thing more because it hit me and I was like, oh, and it helped me redefine because I was calling something anxiety, but I couldn't, it didn't necessarily ring true. I was like, oh, it just feels like a low riding stress. And so being able to find out kind of what that is and how to deal with it differently than I think I would deal with anxiety and sort of putting them together has been helpful. But, you know, life can get quite overwhelming. I don't love spending a lot of time on a screen and I think my job, you know, wants sort of definitely is a platform for that, you know, like it is important to be on social

media and things like that. So I do get a lot of stress around that kind of thing. But having sort of like dedicated time towards, you know, meditation and nature is really important for me. Just like completely changes my entire entire way I move through the world. So once I miss those for a few, few too many times, like I start to get pretty squirrelly like and not able to not able to give what I want to other people like I'm not at my most service and I think that that's when I and then I think you know the further you go down that road the kind of the depression can come in right like there's a the sort of voice of you're not doing well enough like where's you know where the self-worth force kind of comes in because I don't think we're I don't think anyone's immune to that

I think it's how we deal with it when it comes up or what we say to ourselves you know I talk to myself a lot which has been really helpful something that I learned in therapy they say smart people do that. Yeah. I talk to myself a lot. I talk to myself a lot too. Like I'll just sit there and go, what are you doing? Why are you doing that? I don't know. Yeah. Well, stop it. You're right. I don't necessarily answer, but I do talk to myself. I like when I get like the worry or the anxiety, I talk, especially when I notice it, I don't just go like, I have anxiety. I'm like, Emily, hey, it's okay. Like what? Like today, that's it that maybe is something that you're feeling. but like let's let's do the first thing on the list okay so what's on the list like let's talk about

that or and then be like you're also crushing it like keep going you know talking to myself really 90 is a big part of I think my 30s and something I didn't have in my 20s and has helped me immensely I was just going to say that what I never really did this for many years I was always you know seeking validation or attention and because I didn't get it when I was a kid and so there comes a point where that has to stop because it's just eating you up you know too much time yeah it's just it's too much and it's it's overthinking and it's um but i'm able now i'm trying to step back from on the outside looking in and say hey you did this you did this you did this you this you have this this is this is good you should be proud of yourself you don't have to be perfect

you don't have to be great like i will talk to myself like that i'll say hey this is okay you're good enough you have done some great things and you should be uh grateful and you should all more importantly acknowledge it instead of just going through the motions going oh i have to prove myself i have to prove myself so are you able to go hey i i just made this big freaking movie where I was the lead, Queen of the Ring, and I, you know, and I was a big success on this TV show Arrow and I've done movies and, you know, are you able to just, it's not like, look, you don't want to do it all the time because then that is ego, but are you able to do that? Well, I am because you know what, what I think sort of that voice is, just a slightly

a bit different is than what you say to yourself, I kind of say, like, I'm proud of you, Emily. Like, I don't tell myself, I think, what I should be anymore. And that really helped me. I don't take it or leave it. But for a while there, it was making me feel like worse to tell. I remove should from my vocabulary. It was pretty much what I did one day. I was like, I'm removing should because I'm tired of should, should, should. I don't know what I'm doing with this word. Like, it's not helping me. And, you know, when Queen of the Ring came out, I think I was at a place where this had finally clicked. So, like, last November, you know, I've been in, I've been in therapy for a few years, but something had clicked recently. And it's changed, it's changed my entire life.

Tell me. Pardon? Tell me. Tell me. Tell me. But, you know, it, I think you, I think we're all working towards this, right? It's just to be as open and kind as we can to ourselves as we can to other people. And I think that just like sets you up for success in a way. So for the first time ever, I was able to be proud of myself, but not just for this one event, but like who I am. And, you know, I have, I have really great relationships around me, friends, partnerships, and family that I was able to lean on too because they were showing me that. And they were showing me like

how abundant it could be. Like my friend Lindsay Morgan came to, she, she's an actor. you might know her as well she came to our premiere at the festival and she was so proud of me and she was so happy and she was just abundant with it like it was never ending you know and i was just like you have given me so much today that it makes me want to weep like that's such a gift those are the people you hold on to the people that make you feel that way the people that bring you up yeah bring you down and and and i think the older you get you start to weed out the people that are bringing you down and it's either jealousy or it's ego or it's or it's just bad attitude you know i've given so many chances but some people i've had to weed out because

it just isn't good for me it just it's not good for my well-being you know i always think too now from aside though this isn't always easy it's just being like that it's also how they're treating themselves and that that i think is really hard um because you don't really want to see anyone in pain and that for me some like ignites some sort of compassion like even for the people you you don't think that you want to have compassion for but it it only helps me lead my life i it just helps inside of you is brought to you by rocket money i'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money period it's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions monitors your spending and helps lower

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That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com slash inside of you. Free shipping and 365-day returns. Quince.com slash. inside of you. When you auditioned for Queen of the Ring, you auditioned, right? I didn't. I know it. It's kind of a wild story. Ash, our director, didn't really know my work, but saw me, you know, on kind of a roster

and then looked at my work and then, you know, sent me the role. And I think there's a little bit of a little bit of Mildred Magic happening in that because I didn't know anything about wrestling. And it was really an opportunity to to not only showcase who she was, but it really gave me the opportunity to dive in to the thing that I love the most, which is understanding humanity through acting. I'm just so honored to play her. Well, Queen of the Ring, I'll just give a little brief synopsis because I think it's pretty incredible. An extraordinary, an extraordinary true life tale that follows Mildred Burke, the legendary professional wrestler, and single mom who defied an. incredible odds to become the first million-dollar female athlete and longest reigning champion

at a time when the sport was banned across most of America. That's pretty fascinating. I had no idea. You'd learn something every day. And I saw this trailer and it was like, it was just, there was so much going on and so much action and, you know, drama. And I can't wait to see this. I love, I love documentaries.

I love real life things. things that have happened, things that are inspirational. But I know you talked about this ad nauseum, but like preparing for this role. Like you, how much weight muscle did you gain? I don't know it in pounds, but I was definitely quite jacked. You were jacked. Bro. You were jacked and stacked, baby.

Yeah, no, it's, it was wild. Like my whole body felt different. How did you do it? Okay. Well, it was a program of strict weights and pretty much a regimented diet. So high protein, higher carb than what I was eating, lower fat than what I was eating, and no cardio and heavy weights with a sort of eccentric build. So like when you when you pop up in a squat, but you go down slow and that helps tear the muscle up to rebuild. There is also, you know, really comes into the food. The food's a huge part of building muscle. Not only just to like, have the muscle build, but so that you can sort of rehab yourself in a way so that your proteins can be working and that kind of thing. So lots of chicken breast, lots of chicken breast. And amino acids, you know, for recovery and omega-3s, those were those were a lot of help. And I'm matcha powered. I drink a lot of matcha. That wasn't in the diet, but I drink. It's got to be hard,

though. It's got to be hard while you're on set working these long hours to maintain that, right? Yeah. Well, you know, I was going to the gym before set for an hour just to just to maintain while we were shooting kind of the muscle I had built up before we went to camera was really what held on. And then, yeah, to sort of keep it, keep it there because with the stress of shooting, stress can kind of reduce, right? You can reduce your muscle and whatnot. So we really supplemented that with food. And that's kind of why the no cardio too. Like we didn't want to put too much stress on my body. during that and we wanted to like make the muscles look big for camera like that was really that was the goal aesthetically right and with that you get strong as a side effect but our first goal was to look big for camera you know i've never seen i i mean i'm sure there has been but i can't think of um an actress that has built herself up that much to make to look like this character to look like a wrestler because most of the time you know it's guys you see bulking up for roles and all this but for a woman it was i can't really think of anyone it was incredible it was incredible

because i was like oh they're not just casting her and she's going in and making make believe she did the work she looks like a wrestler she that's what sells it and all that hard work paid off because when i watch it i look for that instantly i go eh she's too scrawny to to be a wrestler don't believe that she's that tough and I believed it I've liked that too my partner's an ultra runner whole family's runners right and so like when there's someone running in a movie goes they're not a runner like and you can tell and I'm like you're right they don't run like you know because there's a lot of like we talk you know in TV especially like the the per our hero is like having a bad day so they go for a run like that would be a nightmare for me it'd be a nightmare for me

to be a runner because I don't like running I don't want to run I had to cut running out for this which was like a little little difficult for my mindset because i think if you run it's really it's not so much about for cardio burn right it's really for your mind and that's where meditation came in but um you know michael b jordan and creed was my body goals i don't know the guy but i was just like that's my body goals like look at this guy he's ripped you know so just my inspiration what was your partner uh what did he say uh as you're getting big he's like was it this was it a hey you look great i love this b you're going to lose this though right you're going to go back to no he would he never he's so supportive he just like just so strong like look at the

biceps you know like it's just it's so cool i mean it's it's awesome to be able to not only have that support but you know it goes hand he's an ultra marathon runner i i crew for him whenever he runs you know hundreds of miles and that kind of thing and so we're both really a team like that And I think pushing yourself to those kind of limits. How many roids? How many roids did you do? None. I did not.

But I do take creatine. I think creatine is really important. I think everyone should take it. You know, I think it's a great supplement. And it can help you lift, I think like 15% stronger once you have it on board. So not only is it bringing like water to your muscles for for visualness.

It's, I mean, so good for your brain. But you got to be careful with it. It helps you go stronger. Because it's bad for your liver to if you overdo it, right? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. But I think five grams a day, like you shouldn't worry. Like your body, I mean, yeah, I think creation's got a bad rap because people have abused it to get bigger so fast. And definitely like in the in the bulking world, you know, that bulking wasn't necessarily the goal like I was putting on muscle, but it was to stay healthy. You know, their my first and foremost thing was like to not lose myself in a sense, if that. How, how demanding was it to do all these. um, call them stunts, but like, you know, these wrestling moves and all this. I mean, how long did

you have to prepare for it? Well, we had three weeks before camera of just wrestling rehearsal. So not acting rehearsal, nothing, just like five days a week, wrestling, which is, it's not a lot, but it, it's enough to kind of get choreography down, especially when you're working with the pros, OVW, Al Snow, Camille Breckhouse is in the movie, Tony Storm. Like, these are pros. Like, I'm learning from the best at a rapid rate, um, with such dedicated one-on-one training. So that is just like immensely, you can't put a price on that, you know, but when we start talking about like the actual shooting schedule and shooting those matches, you know, we're shooting nights mostly shooting those matches is pretty tough because you're shooting really long hours and, you know, you're close, you're handheld, your wide shot, you're everything all the time. And it's demanding. But once again, I've said this before, when something's you're. passion you have a little bit of extra energy on board right like you have a battery that is a part of following your bliss right and so there's just i'm fueled by passion to find out who she was

and do her justice which just gives you that little bit of energizer bunny yeah well i think you know it shows just in who you are it's i think it's innate the passion you have um even like when you started arrow and you were supposed to go for one episode right yeah and and And they just saw something like you ignited the screen or whatever. What was it was by the way for Arrow was it you auditioned for of course? Yes. Yeah. How many auditions?

Just one. But it was just supposed to be one scene or the or the two scenes one day. And you know, they they don't usually cast Canadians. I think that they were open to casting a Canadian for this part because it was so small. Why wouldn't why wouldn't they cast? Canadians? You know, it's a Hollywood thing. They have a hard time casting Canadians that aren't, I guess, let's see, Stevens Canadian, but probably American represented, right? We're talking someone who lives in America. Stephen Amel. Definitely. Stephen Amel. Right. So it's not that Canadians

aren't cast. It's just that it's virtually unheard of to go from a one episode Canadian to having a regular on a show. Like they, it's just unheard. I was unheard of at the time. And I'm, Pretty sure it's still the same. Was your agent like, um, am this? I know it's just two scenes, but, you know, you never know. It could become something or it was just like, no, this is just one day. I wasn't even on the table, right? Like we're talking a Canadian landscape that's like, hey, like, go in and crush it.

Do your best. You know, and then when they called back, it was like, I don't even think the character was possible recurring. Like it wasn't even, it was like, guest art or not even like, come on in, do a scene. So you went in there. You did your two scenes. did you feel like you did above and beyond? Did you feel like everybody was like, oh, I really killed it?

Or did you just go home thinking, all right, yeah, well, see. I think I went in being like, I think I did a good job for casting. I think casting will bring it back. Like, that's what I thought. Like, I was like, it was good, but you kind of black out in there sometimes. Like, you're like, you have no idea. It wasn't self-tape world yet, right? Like, we weren't, you weren't even able to see what you did back.

I've never seen the audition. Like, I would love to see the audition back, especially looking at myself at 20. Like, I would love to see what I threw out there. like, you know, like how, how brave and courageous I was at 20 to just kind of throw this character out, like spaghetti out of wall, right? Like, acting's a lot of like, hey, this is my take on it, you know? Yeah. I just wonder, it's like, so you do the scene and when did someone call your agent and say,

hey, we want her back? I think it was, if I'm right, I think it's three episodes later, which is about, you probably get the call about two weeks later, so three weeks you go to camera. something like that good decent amount of time and it was just one more episode right just one more scene and then it stayed like that for a season it was like just one more episode two more episodes and then when season two rolled around they're like we want a signer as a regular and what season was that season two geez that's the way to do it getting early but like also you think okay i'm canadian so they're not going to take me seriously as you know wow i got the role okay and then

you then they keep bringing you back it's just it's just you had to be blown away by what was I was I felt really lucky I mean I was I was young I was living a dream that I had had for so long I was finally making money I could pay rent um you know I could feed my dog you were that bad no I was working at a dog daycare shop right like I had to my boss was like you have to quit you're no longer here like you're every week you're like I have to leave for for my dreams so you have to quit and and that's kind of where it's where it started do you ever go back and talk to go back to that place and say hi she's not she's not there anymore but I've seen her over the years and I'm I'm always thanking her because she let me like leave for auditions like literally closed down shop I'll be like I

have an audition at noon tomorrow she's like we'll close it for an hour and then come back you know that is amazing I mean you're working at a dog dog care It was dog daycare, but the one I could close was like the dog apparel food shop. So I'd open up the dog daycare in the morning, you know, at 6 a.m. And like 40 dogs would rush in like at the crackadon. And then I'd go, someone else would take over. And then I would go to the dog apparel shop and open that at 10. You're like the rocky of women.

You know, you're working at this study. He's like, hey, all right. Like we're going to pet the dogs and feed the dogs. We're going to take care of the dogs. Like, hey, got a call back. I don't know what's going to happen with it. It's like one in the. A million.

You know, I don't, uh, I think that's, I think that's really cool. Now, the big question is, were they saying, we're still going to pay you Canadian. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was a terrible. It was in hindsight, you know, not a great contract. Um, but as a Canadian, as someone in their 20 is like, I wasn't going to say no. It was sort of I had my dream in my grasp, you know, and I still, you know, still was leaving it.

I think as the years went on, things got like a little crazy, but, um, you know, still so grateful for not only Arrow, but like for Felicity, I'm really proud of who Felicity was. And I think she got a little lost in the later seasons. And I wish I could have changed that for her, but I wasn't a writer. So did they ever? So yeah, so you did you speak your mind on what you thought should happen and what you want and how did they react? I did. But I think I'd be better at it now. I think I'd be clearer now. So part of it is me not being as clear as I want to be. And feeling rushed. I think, you know, TV's fast and it's rushed. It's an impossible task.

I think the show runners are doing the best thing that they can when you're doing a show that's 23 episodes of season. I'm not even sure if this happens anymore. But the way the machine of Arrow was working, like 23 episodes of season, 10 and a half months of the year. Like, it's a wild task, you know, and trying to keep up. But like those, we're getting revisions of episodes and things like that. We're doing, I don't know, sometimes like 13 pages a day. Like, you know, it's crazy. Oh, God.

I can't even imagine. And like, you know, and well, I did it. I did, you know, we did 22, 23 episodes a year, but I couldn't imagine, like, I remember thinking some things like, ah, maybe I should bring this up. And I'm like, no, it's just going to make things more difficult. I just want to get through the days. Yeah. You're not, you're not writing, you know, Shakespeare here. Let's just freaking act, hit your mark. And, you know, hopefully we're, I just thought, I'm in good hands. It will, I'm not going to change things much. So, You know, I think my fight did burn out. You know, I think I was like, you do a certain point, it was like, okay, let's get the, let's get the thing done. But then at that point, like, I was really sacrificing my happiness of being an actor. Like, I was like, I don't really feel like a collaborator anymore. I don't feel like an artist anymore. I don't feel like I'm serving this project, the fans, this character, as much as I think allows. And that really dampened my light for a while. And I don't think that's really anybody, but anybody, but anybody.

particular fault per se but was definitely a lesson that I learned that I think moving forward is probably why it won't happen again. Yeah. How hard is it to come in to do two scenes in the beginning and you're in an established show with all these people around you? You're looking at this dog center. Dog center. I keep forgetting the terminology. But you know what I mean like to go on because it's got to be I always feel bad for guest stars because we all know what we're doing in a way it's every we know everybody it's familiarity and now it's like I have a different I have a different thought I think at the time I didn't think about it a whole lot because they were new right I came in in episode three of season one but what I also had on board is that I was 20 so like I was

young like I was like I'm green I'm young I'm naive tell me where to be these are my ideas now I come with way more ideas but I'd always make sure I had a couple you know I'm like I'm kind of an idea as person. I think that's my value. And I think that I had that on my side. So I was just like a sponge. Like Arrow made me into a machine in terms of shooting how to shoot things. Like it's it really served me on like how things work, not only on set, but like TV, the writing the business. I was a, I was welcomed into so many doors. You know, Greg Berlanti let me sit in the writer's room. Let me listen to things. Like I was just hungry for things. And it taught me, that taught me a lot.

And now, I mean, I haven't been on a show in a while, but I look at guest stars and I'm like, you got the best freaking job. Like, you get to come in. You get to be the wild card, which probably means in an established show, you actually get to have way more fun, say better things.

That's what I think. And like, you get to throw everything out of whack. Like, walking down your regular day life, you're not going, nah, I'm going to throw everything out of whack. Like, those actors get to go in there and be like, you know? Just fuck shit up.

So fuck shit up. Like, I think that that's so far. on. Um, so any guest star roles want to come my way, please, please send them. I, I would love, I love guest stars. Were you surprised at, you know, here you are in anonymity and going from anonymity to this popular show and everyone noticing you and you becoming one of the most popular characters on the show. Was that a shock to you? Was that, was it something as a child you'd always dreamed of? Like, do you, do you like the, A, do you like the attention? B, what was it like? to be noticed.

Yeah, well, I think, you know, coinciding with that time, I talked about sort of like dimming, whatever, how my light got dimmed, like it really was coming a lot with the attention as well, and I wasn't sure how to handle it. I didn't have the, you know, there was definitely anxiety over that. I think anonymity is such a privilege,

and I think I didn't have the tools and how to like stay myself around that. I don't think I have the innate thing to have like a big, I don't know, bravado and ego on the others, but I could see that being a way to handle it as well, right? Like, I just got smaller. And, you know, I could still have really fun with it on the surface, but I don't think I was myself for a while. And I think maybe that's part of your 20s and was just part of my particular 20s. Like, what a unique experience.

But, you know, now as this film takes off and whatnot and there's a, you know, billboards of my face all over Hollywood. There's a part of me that's just kind of like, oh, there's, there's the new step of anonymity. Like, how are we going to deal with that this time? And that's something that I'm discovering right now because I think it's, it's wild and it's a part of the dream, but it's also a little scary. It's like, okay, what does this mean? And how do we live an authentic life and still be able to give, I guess, like, give all of us

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Is it just a therapist? She has a PhD in psychology. She's a psychotherapist. So I get, I think maybe it's more of a Canadian term, actually. So psychotherapy would be psychology and therapist. so like you can i don't know i guess maybe that's just a definition we use probably like e u and canada uses did she try to help you with her some of her skills yeah absolutely she she's really big into hypnosis which is good for people with phobias or addictions and anxiety

and that kind of thing so she led me towards like meditation and stuff like that you know as a kid your mom being a shrink wasn't fun i'd be like stop shrinking me like that's literally what i would see her. But, you know, she's become and has been my best friend for, you know, my entire life. And I wouldn't be who I am without her. And I have my own therapist who has saved my life, I think. And yeah, I'm just really grateful that those rich relationships have surrounded me. I think that that's so much a part of who I am and so grateful that, especially during Arrow, when things were really tough, that that is a basis that I had that was kind of unconditional. Even when I didn't realize it was there, even when I wasn't using it to its full potential.

Was the, was the set always fun? Was it ever tough? Was it ever with their personality clashes? Was it, what was it like being on that set for the most part? Did you have, was it pretty good? Yeah, I mean, for me, I would, I can only speak from my experience, but like, I loved going to work, you know, I was able to bring my dog, um, which is a big problem of it. And, you know, the sets were really cool. Our crew was amazing. You know, I worked with these people for seven years and so you kind of you become like a family you know and family has its troubles definitely um sure but i think with hindsight i think i've worked through some of the stuff in therapy that i maybe wasn't as proud of as i wanted to be at the time the growing pains i guess but now

when i look back on it i think of i think of a lot of the stuff that sort of made my career you know made informed me who i am as an actor what i want what i want what i look back on it i think of i think of a lot of the stuff that sort of made my career you know made made informed me who who i am as an actor what i want what i'll accept especially as a woman on set you know the ability to say no um the ability to come in with ideas to be excited how like how how how is a leading actor how is like a lead like a leading lady like you so you really do help set the tone i think every department has a lead you know director camera um sound every department has the lead and that that leader sets the tone and if you can all get to together and hold on to that as collaboration.

You're going to have a great project because films, TV, storytelling is a collaborative project. I don't get to go and do what I do without 200 and other 50 people. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm acting today because there's not another person here to do it with. I think you're right about how important leadership is for the morale of a movie or a show. And, you know, when I did this show in Vancouver for a couple of years and I was,

was the lead and executive producer and the first thing I said was I want everybody from every department out here before we started filming and I just said I don't know about you guys but I want to have as much fun as possible I want to laugh every day I want us to become a family I want this to be a great experience for everyone obviously let's all work really hard but have a good time doing it and I set that tone and for the most part that show was just everyone was having fun I would say to the DP or the or the camera operator I'd say hey was that funny or should I you think it's better when I give her when I when I when I turn around and then whip my head around he goes oh that was funny yeah yeah yeah yeah I would yeah I just I love that I hate when I work with some people

that are just really intense and it's all work and it's just it's not fun and my The therapist told me, whenever you do a job for you, now this is for me, he says you need an element of fun. You should not be taking a role unless you see an element of fun. Like you could have fun with this. You could do something with this and you're going to, if you're not going to enjoy it, if you're already going to, don't do it. You know, and so, you know, I'm fortunate enough to do that. So to be that picky. but I think that's important in life.

A lot of people have real jobs and don't really love their jobs. And it sucks. And it's, you know, having the luxury of doing something that you love is rare. It's rare. It definitely is. And I think it totally is. And I think that, you know, wherever we are, especially say the day sucks, say work sucks. The people that you're around, if you can open yourself up to talking to like one

person as a stranger like sometimes changes everything like if things are really busy and I have to go do a bunch of say there's like a bunch of press there's appointments there's everything you end up sitting somewhere with a stranger and sometimes just talking to that person you know destroys my concept of time like takes the pressure out of the whole day and you really have to be open to that and it's a practice I really do think but I think it helps you connect you're connecting to someone else and I think that you can get that anywhere no matter where you are who you are you are you can connect to somebody else and that can change your day. I love that you did a nickelback video.

It was the first thing you did. And by the way, I saw the documentary in Nickelback. Did you see it? Yeah. It's great. I have such a new respect for them and- The most hated band in the world. And it's so stupid.

It's like they had some great songs and I really, I liked them. And I saw the video and you just were so happy. And, you know, it was your first time. time on on film yeah were you nervous or was it just fun i think it was nervous i think my family had to change a family vacation like a change the flight because of it if i remember correctly like and it was my first real paycheck i think it was like 2 000 canadian dollars or something like it was big i was like oh my gosh this is amazing i think i showed my dad and he's like okay you can pay us back now i was like ah you know classic classic parenting um but

But I think I was just so bright-eyed bushytailed, like when I, even when I look at that video, like I just kind of see, I don't see a character. I really do see myself in that. Like when I look at Queen of the Ring, that's a character. Sometimes, you know, 50%, maybe 80% of Felicity, I'm like, that's a character. So much of her seeped into me that it's hard to know because we were in our formative years together. Yeah. But, but I look at, I look at the Nickelback music video and how like, I'm so grateful that it was a music video. I don't know.

There's something sweet about it. The fact that it's nickelback, like, so drastically Canadian. Like, you can't get, like, more, more than that. That was funny. The audition process was, okay, stare at the X on the wall. You really like the X. You have a really deep connection with the X. Okay, and now the X is disappearing.

And you're never going to see the X again. That was good. There's your direction. I was like, oh, my God, this is, like, so emotional. Was the band cool? Did you beat the band? I didn't meet the band. I've never met them.

I don't even know if they know who I, they would even know that I'm in their music video. If you ever meet them, though, you can go, I'm the lead girl in your video. Never, I'm never going to be alone.

Never going to be alone. You could sing too. Geez. How many languages do you speak? One and a quarter. You don't speak French? Um, petit.

Yeah, I speak French enough to get by in France and I've worked with the French I've worked with Studio Canal and that was really great so you could just get to speak French all the time which was really nice but hard when I'm not around it my dad speak my dad's

very good with language I can read a lot more languages than I can speak them I don't know I don't know why just good with languages I know certain words in a lot of languages like speak in English can you listen and write in there are in a unbearer in Juer with only one of my gosh I love it You speak, you speak German when you're in Germany?

I guess so, but I don't know. If they called you, Berlanti said, hey, we're doing Arrow movie or six episodes. Would you do it in a heartbeat? Probably, yeah. Really? I want to give Felicity her flowers, to be honest. I think that I'm so grateful for the fandom, but there's things that, like, I wish that Felicity stood up for more, and I, like, think that she did, she just did it off screen.

I mean, you know, and I, I love Felicity. I'm not doing it for Arrow or really the fans. I'd be doing it for Felicity. And then everybody else gets it just as the side effect. I love that. That's cool. It's something you don't hear. I love her, you know.

I love the character. I can't say I love Lex Luthor. I was like, yeah, I mean, different. Yeah, it's just different. I loved creating a character. But, you know, anyway, this is called shit talking with Emily. bet records and is that how do you say record i knew i was going to say records ricards but you on your instagram it's m bets yeah i i know i well before i was in like

more well known i should just grabbed emily bet ricards i didn't even you know when you're a kid and you're creating your instagram you're like yeah am bet do you like to be called am or emily both all right this is called shit talking uh these are the top tier patrons who are asking questions patreon.com slash anxiety if you want to join in and support the show we could use your help uh little lisa says what is your best quality according to yourself feel like i'm probably to a fault able to um understand someone's reason for doing things wow yeah like i i it's not like i play devil's advocate but i think that comes from an actor's perspective and like you know if you have to play a villain.

I'm not saying I justify them. I just going, oh, that's how they got there. All right. That's interesting. There was like, you know, you can be mad at them, right? Yeah. In real life, it's a little different. It's like, you know, oh, I can understand why they're an asshole.

Yeah. I know why you're an asshole. Yeah. Oh, I figured out why you're an asshole. Don G. Outside of acting, what are you passionate about or just bringing you, what brings you joy? Well, I am passionate about health and nutrition. I do think it brings me joy, but I don't think it's like the most

joyful thing in my life. I am, I am really, um, I like, I just, I love creating things. Like, I like making, I like things that like, you know, make me bounce off the rocker. Like, I like writing. I love reading. I read like science fiction and fantasy. Like, I love that stuff. Like, it just, like, I want, I want to talk to somebody so badly about this book. I don't know anyone who's read, will of the many. And it's just like, I've told my therapist, read, I've told my writing metro read i've told like every friend like can somebody please read this book that i know i could talk to about it um and my dog my dog is like this she's just like my entire what's your dog's name ophelia she's ohphelia i want to take you by the hand and make you understand ophelia

oh she went to you have such a beautiful voice oh my gosh look at a little she's 13 and a half she was there for all of arrow oh i know uh roj says Tell me about a time you rebelled against an authority figure. Well, I went to a private school when I was a kid, which was not necessarily where I fit in. So you rebelled. And we had every, we had every rule. But one of the things was, is that our uniforms were very gendered base and I wanted to wear the pants that the guys got to wear. And so I, now they'd probably allow it.

But back then, that was not cool. I also pierced my ears and I would hide it. just like skirt was too short when you were wearing it and like just any anything that I could do I tried getting a tattoo how many taps you got I have a few and most of them I regret so what's the biggest one you regret I have one actually I'm removing it was just too heavy handed and I feel like it takes up energy and space but there's something about I don't I don't dislike all my tattoo or I don't dislike any of the other ones but there's something to be said now that I think when I want to transform it. into the characters that I see myself playing. I used to think it would ground me, especially during Arrow. I got a lot of them during Arrow. I used to think, like, oh, this is who I am. Like, this at least puts me when I'm out of character, I'll remember.

But now I think I'm softer. And I just kind of want the languidness of it all. And so I don't get them anymore. Yeah. I was surprised to see tattoos because, again, I don't know you, but I look at, you know, I'm like, oh, she's, she's, she's, I don't want to say soft, but like, you know, she's just easy. And she's not, doesn't have a heart.

Oh, look at the tat. She's got an edge to her. But you know, the ones that I love, like the line is for my grandma and this tree was for home. And those two, when I'm especially when I'm traveling a lot and working, when I do yoga and you look up, like, they're the ones that I see. And they just like, there is still like, there's so much specialness to them that really brings me home. I love that. Sarah G. How did you handle all the technobabble word salad and arrow?

I mean, I found that to be really fun. That was part of my, you know, that's part of the thing that ignited me. I think I liked finding her rhythm and her speed. So that, I mean, that was just fun for me. And then sometimes understanding it was a little hard because I think to be believable, you have to actually know what you're saying. So there's some stuff that always befuddled me, but I did my best. What's next?

Anything on the road? Are you just promoting Queen of the Ring right now and just kind of let go? Promoting Queen of the Ring is where we go at the moment. I'm excited to, you know, meet the next character. I am. Yeah, where can we see Queen of the Ring? It's in theaters all over America. Theater's all over America now.

And then also then it will be on streamers, right? Yeah, I mean, I guess that's where it goes next. It might actually come to Canada theatrically next. I don't know. I'm guessing. Great reviews, too. A lot of reviews. I saw that.

That was good. That's good. That's got to feel good. Yeah, it feels good. It feels like what Mildreau would have wanted. And I think the story is special and it's glitzy and it's glamy. You got to go see it in theaters. I mean, it's out in L.A., definitely go see it.

Um, it's just, it's just worth it for the, you know, it's, it is a theater movie. It's big. It's got a big scope, you know, a lot of actors in there that are just geniuses at what they do. How long is the movie? Two hours. Oh, good. See, I have like, uh, there's, I hate when people make two, uh, two and a half, three hour, three and a half hours.

I, I'm sure it's a good movie. I'm not seeing it. I can't last, I can't last three and a hours. Two hours is my limit on that. I think our movie, you know, I actually will say this too. Like, you know, our movie could be shorter, but, like, who are you going to cut at this point? I think there's an extra hour of footage that's not in the movie. There's just, when you see it, you'll notice that every character was based on a real person.

Everyone deserves their own film. And because all their stories are so rich and influenced how we live today. And I think that that is really hard to cut out of a movie when it's a part of the story you're telling. So were you able to meet any of Mildred's relatives? Yeah, great granddaughters who have just. just make me weep and are so, they're so happy with the story and how their grandmother was remembered. And I met one of her granddaughters, Wendy, at the Newport Festival premiere. And the one thing that hit me was like, yeah, man, like, I wish, I had something like this of my grandmother.

Like, how cool would that be? Like, that was the first thing I thought. It was like, I, and then it also made me realize how, like, I never actually knew Mildred, but I feel like I did, because here I have like flesh and blood who's hugged her and was taught by her and um it's just so special and we're we're so grateful and i'm just i'm lucky i'm in a position that gets to not only absorb this story but um can share it with a greater audience because i think her story deserves to be known well i can't wait to see it it really uh thanks go see it let me know i can't wait no seriously this is up my alley and i think it's the trailer's great you look great i believe you so this is going to i'm already in yay that's the goal queen of the ring go see this movie and also

your publicist kaitland email uh give her your email to give me so i could send you the script i would love that thank you for being open of sending it i would uh i can't wait to read it this has been an absolute joy you're so cool and i'm so happy for you and you deserve all the success and continued success and happiness and um that's all i got thank you yeah It's so nice to chat with you. My gosh. Thanks for saying hi in Florida, too. I was like, wow, today is, today is busy.

It was such a cool, such a cool con. So busy. Do you love it? Do you love the cons? Do you love the fans? Do you ever get emotional fans? I used to not, but my therapist really helped me out this year and pretty much just told me to give the people what they want as opposed to resisting it.

And it gave me so much more energy. Like I, I, I don't know. I feel like I was protecting something for a while. And now I think I just feel like able to give. And I don't know that. I was telling another telling my friend Lindsay about this too. And I was like, I hope that this hits because it's just changed the way I think about them now.

And the cons, I mean, changed the way I think about the cons. And it's just like made interactions. Like I just feel like a better person. Yeah. I feel like it's, if that makes sense. My approach is it's not about me. It's about them. I want these.

I want them to have as much, no matter how I'm feeling. they're here to see you, you give them what they want. 100%. And so, yeah. And they make me happy. And people, people make me happy. When people are happy,

I'm always been that kind of person where if I'm not having a great time, as long as my friends are all having fun, I'm having fun. I like it. I do. I'm always wanting everybody else to, if everyone's not having a good time, then it bothers me.

You find yourself in like the, yeah, position to figure out how they can have a good time, right? yeah yeah when i'm doing when i was doing stand-up i was like if one person isn't laughing i'm i'm destroyed oh no everybody else is laughing and i'm like that guy back there just he hates me what i listen to i remember a podcast patten oswald was on but he was talking about how like he just fails all the time and he like goes up and does stand-up and then he's just like yeah and i just he's like i feel all the time and he's like i just go back and do it again good for him good for him

I don't like failing miserably in front of people. I have. I definitely. Yeah. Anyway, look, I could talk to you for hours and we'll do it again next sometime and thank you for being here. Yeah, thanks for having me. All right. With Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside.

So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Pre-sale tickets for future events subject to availability and vary by race terms and conditions apply learn more at mx.ca slash y annex It was awesome. It was awesome hearing her story. She's so positive. It's Canadians, man. Canadians. That was really fun. It was fun talking to her. It didn't, after a while you forget you're on Zoom. It just felt like we were having a conversation. I don't know. It was easy. And by the way, your birthday is coming out. My birthday is coming up. It is April. And I'm guessing a week from this air date. I'm guessing it's April. It's not the fifth.

It's not the fifth. It's close. It's right around there. Mm-hmm. It's a little before. Mm-mm. Oh, it's seventh. It's a little after.

Ninth. A little after. 11th. Little after? 12th? Yeah. You're April 12th? Mm-hmm.

I bet I have it in my calendar. Maybe. Jeez. Well, happy early birthday. I don't know July 11. Yeah. Well, that's easy. 711.

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