Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - EMILY DESCHANEL: Life After Bones, Putting Family First & Strength in Vulnerability

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

Emily Deschanel (Bones, Animal Kingdom) joins us this week for a heartfelt and revealing conversation about stepping out of the shadow of a legacy role, balancing family with career, and embracing vulnerability as a source of strength. Emily talks about the highs and lows of working on Bones for over a decade, the unexpected adjustments of life after the series, and her evolving relationship with fame. We also dive into motherhood, grief, mental health, and why she believes putting family first has grounded her in an industry that can easily throw you off balance Thank you to our sponsors: 🛍️ Shopify: ⁠https://shopify.com/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: ⁠⁠https://rocketmoney.com/⁠ (t⁠ell them we sent you!) ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at ⁠https://betterhelp.com/inside⁠ and get on your way to being your best self __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a high studio audience. That's a big water bottle you got there. I have another one in the car. Why is it that people, you know, you get comfortable. I don't know if this is going to help me sit up. Yeah. No, that's good. No, but you know.

Is that going to look? weird that I have a pillow right there? No, you can't even. It's not. Should I, I'll hide it. No, that's good. You good there? Yeah.

You feel good. Yeah. So we don't want to look like I'm like, I'll like go into complete slouch very easily. I know. That's the story in my life. Hoo, just like constantly trying to remember like, no. I remember I was doing a play in college. And this woman who was sort of my mentor.

and she wasn't my mentor at the time but after the show she came up and she goes I just want to say how great you were and you were really dialed in I go oh thanks she goes but you have to work on your posture oh and it haunted me and I would just you know when someone notices something that is you know a flaw of yours or whatever yeah it's good I remember also I would appreciate that I mean, sometimes it's when you're young or I found it sometimes harder to hear things because you take criticism so, or I did so hard, so deeply. I think we still do in a way. We don't love criticism, but we now are just sort of like, I think we're, we don't

give a shit as much. We've been beaten down. Yeah, it's not going to destroy me. I mean, some things might destroy me hearing certain feedback might just, maybe not destroy me and destroy me, but would be really difficult. to hear but you know somebody saying hey you need to work on your posture would have maybe like been hard for you yeah it was it was only like 19 years old yeah and then also when I moved out to California was doing a TV show and after the show my manager said uh I think you could be leading man

I think you could be you know you could do a lot of different things but you have to fix your teeth because I had these like fangs because I got punched once and oh busted my lip and my teeth were never the same. So it was a little Bishemmy, not as bad as Bishemmy, but it was half Bishamish. Bish. And I just remember going, okay, and then the next day I'm in an appointment, got a retainer in six months. My teeth were straight and landed my first. And I kept booking. See, hearing things like that, I mean, it helped. It helped. It was the difference. It was the difference because all the roles I got, there's no way they would have cast me if I had crooked teeth. Wow.

No way. See, to me, I think it's interesting when people have, like, different teeth that aren't perfect because everyone has such perfect teeth and veneers or whatever that called. But I hear that. They're like, they're not going to cast somebody with the teeth. No, like, you think I could have become Lex Luthor with crooked teeth? Maybe it would have added it. He's a billionaire. He's got to have perfect teeth.

Right, right. Right. He went to get all his teeth down. And by the way, when you're on TV, every week, you know, people as, you want to give people the benefit of the doubt, but like, we're all shallow and a little, we're all judgy, we're like, we could be watching and go, oh my gosh, her teeth, I can't focus on anything else. Right.

I don't know if that's shallow. It's observant. It can be a shallow, right? But sometimes it's just something distracts you from something. It is. You know? Yes. Sometimes I'll get distracted by all kinds of things watching.

Or somebody's accent or something. I'm like, I thought I do not believe that person. Have you ever worked with someone who has like, you're acting with them and their breath is putrid? I don't know if I have, but I'm terrified of that. Me too, me too. I, I, in my normal life, I'm not like having breathments constantly. But when I'm filming, oh, and if there's a kissing scene, I am.

Brush your tongue, floss your teeth. No tuna sandwiches. I am taking, I'm like, you know, I have like a hundred breathments a day. Yeah. And probably too, like, in the extreme. Yeah, I'm so paranoid because I know I have. I can't think of like, oh, that guy had bad breath. But I know I have encountered that and I don't want to be that guy.

So I know. Yeah, you don't want people to say they had a bad day Chanel. Oh, I passed out from that breath. Yeah, you don't want that story being told. Is it, was it tough growing up in Los Angeles? And, I mean, your father was a cinematographer, your sister's an actress. Yeah. Do you say actress now or actor?

I mean, I say actor, but it's just for whoever, whatever you. So it's not demeaning. I don't think it's demeaning. I think people start saying actor as a way to just kind of like level. The playing field. But there's nothing demeaning or bad about saying actress. But I'll say actor. I have no problem saying actor.

But sometimes when I'm trying to say something specific. actress. When I'm trying to say something specific to the experience of somebody who is female and I say actor and then you're like, well, female actor, that seems weird to say like that just sounds weird. Might as well say actress. But yeah, either one goes. But yeah. But was it difficult? Was it like, was it something you were born into and your mom was an actress? Yeah. So, like, how's that? Because my mom, I grew up in the Midwest. Yeah. And, but my, we were from New York. And my mom was always like, I did repertory theater. And she had done some theater.

And she was very theatrical and on her Prozac and all her other things. But, you know, I didn't get that acting bug right away. I didn't know what I wanted to do until really end of high school, early college. But for you, did it start early? It didn't start as early as my sister. My sister basically, I like to say she came out of the womb with jazz hands. You know, I mean, she was ready to perform. My dad, being a cinematographer, always had a camera on us all the time growing up.

So every moment was filmed. It felt like it probably wasn't every moment. But, you know, and I would always want to hide from the camera. Really? To the extreme that I went, I went to school for drama for theater, right? But then I had to take class for on-camera class when I moved to New York because I naturally. would just move, like, turn. If a camera was here, I'd turn.

Just my natural instinct of my dad. Because your dad. It was just like, okay, I'm moving away. And I had to, like, mentally be like, yeah, but the camera could be here too. Like, the camera could be anywhere. You just, the camera captures was there. The camera has to be there that capture it. Like, so I had to mentally get over that.

So my sister came out, like, ready to perform. It took me longer. Like, I wanted to be an architect when I was a little girl. Wow. And then, like, I wanted to build the house for Barbie. You know, like, lots of girls are, like, making clothes for Barbie. I wanted to build the house for Barbie. And so I wanted to do that.

But then in high school, I discovered theater and musical theater. And so, and then, but it probably wasn't until, like, junior, senior year of high school where I was, where I thought, I want to do this. I want to try doing this for my career, you know? Did you have a natural ability? Did you feel like the first play you did or the first, I mean, did you pick it up right away because you were around it? Well, it's hard to say other than like I got cast. And I, you know, my first audition in high school, I audition for Godspell, the musical. Nice.

Love it. And I got a song. So that to me was kind of feedback that like, oh, I can do this. Yeah. And I just found my people, you know. I, you know, the theater kids, the theater nerds. Theater kids, let me tell you, as artsy and cool as it seems, snobs. There's a lot of snobbery.

There's like a dorky nerdiness. There's a snobbery. There's a cutthroat like competition. Yeah. There's all kinds of things like that. I mean, I think, you know, I went to a school that was definitely arts based, you know, And I went to Crossroads in Santa Monica here in L.A. And a lot of actors have gone there.

And so I would say it's more supportive than others, but it's also, you know, more competitive. There's a lot of amazingly talented people competing for those parts. And so it was intense. But it wasn't, so, you know, I didn't experience, like, crazy, in college, yes, a little bit more. Because we also had, I went to a conservatory with a cut system then. So we were 54 people and we knew we'd be whittled down to 20. And so that was, that was competition.

And if anyone's, I hadn't thought about this way, but other people said it's like, if anyone's similar and type, you're like looking around, like, are we the same type? Like one of us is going down, you know? So yeah. But yeah, theater, I don't know. I love theater people. They're more dramatic. You know, so there are times where I felt like when I was in college,

I was a little embarrassed sometimes by the, by being one of the theater people, the the Thespians. Yeah. There was like a table that everyone sat at. There were all the acting majors and they were really loud and dramatic. And I would kind of avoid. But then eventually, like, sat down at that table and it was a lot of fun. You know, I mean, they are my people.

But you also had dyslexia. and ADHD or ADHD or ADD? Well, back in the day, you know, I think they were just saying ADD. Like I was diagnosed before they said ADHD as far as I know. And then at some point I think they referred to it as ADHD. So I think the first time I was assessed, they said ADD and then they said ADHD. But I'm not, now I feel like everyone's ADHD. I don't know if anyone's diagnosed.

You have ADD, right? Or ADHD or whatever. Look, I had ADHD. I mean, look, it's just, it's so apparent. It's like lack of focus, can't, you know, I'm just always thinking. I'm always creating. I'm always in my head. I'm always one thing to another.

I just, my mind doesn't stop. Yeah. And I was also a hyper kid. Yeah. But I wasn't diagnosed. I was just like, you know, you shouldn't be getting Ds in art class. Well, I also found out I was colorblind. But nobody knew.

I didn't find out until I was colorblind. I talked about this. many times, but like I didn't find out until my freshman year in Mr. Irwin's class. Yeah. Oh, you know the story very well, but Dusky Rideout was sitting next to me. And Mr. Irwin goes, oh, turn to page 127. There's two circles.

If you see a boat and a number nine, you're good. If you don't, you're colorblind, see me after class. And I go, and I looked at Dusky Rideout and I go, that was your name, Dusky right out. I go, that's a great name. I go, Dusky. She goes, what? I go, I don't see anything. Michael Rosenbaum's color line I go you bitch oh no dusky I thought dusky was a guy by the

dusky I mean that would be dusty I know dusty still dusky her brother dusty ride out she was dusky right out right out right out right out R-I-D-E-O-U-T yeah she was sweet I'm actually you gotta write a part for dusky ride out dusky right she's riding motorcycles yeah she's got to be riding motorcycles I don't know I don't think she rides motorcycle but she should be in character by the name. Let's get creative. She's riding motorcycles. She's running cons.

Right. Something. She's running cons. You know. Yeah. But. She's not living and normal. No, she's not.

She's, she's doing extreme shit right now. But with dyslexia and ADD or whatever, how, like, because my grades suffered and nobody looked at me, like maybe he just needs some, you know, patience. Yeah. He needs some, you know, uh, tutoring he needs some because my mind was just I couldn't connect things I still still can't figure things out right away I don't really like to read instructions I like to just figure it out I'm like no I could figure this out until I can't and then I got to read them yeah but what was it

like for you so um I had I if you look back I went to so many different elementary schools a because we were moving be sometimes because there'd be like I went to a Catholic school here in L.A. and my mom took me out mid-year. I don't know the full story of what was going on there, but I at least, like, my mom was on to something being up, like, that certain places weren't their best fit for me and also, they're not a, they're not understanding, you know? Like, I got in trouble at that one school. I don't think that's why I was taken out, but I was, got in trouble for like impulse control things you know yeah um but i wasn't like the kid being sent to the principal every day um and in terms of work it was like you know my grades could be not necessarily

bad but then like i guess when i got tested they're like oh you should be working at this level and you're working at this level basically um we what happened was i went to this we lived in london for my sixth grade year wow um yeah what transition If you're shopping while working, eating, or even listening to this podcast, then you know and love the thrill of the hunt. But are you getting the thrill of the best deals? Racketon shoppers do. They get the brands they love with the most savings and cashback. And you can get it too.

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Sometimes there would just be Canada or U.S., but then, you know, that year was like the Seychelles off the coast of Africa and then Yugoslavia and then London for a full year. Wow. And went to this great school called. American School in London, and I don't know what it was that made them have me tested, but that's where, I think it was the dyslexia thing that kind of put them on, because I was not the disruptive kid in class that was obviously hyperactive. But what was it when you read something? What was it?

The words were kind of garbled. It's hard for me to understand and describe because I experienced, you know what I mean? Like I don't know. I mean, I had to, now I don't have, I don't, I don't, I'm a slow reader. but it's not like I'm like, oh, they're all jumbled. But I had to learn a lot of different coping mechanisms like using a ruler while reading, you know? So you're not jumping.

So I will still do that where I'll see a letter from another line. Yeah, yeah. Read with a ruler. Like, yeah. So you could just focus on that line and keep going. Yeah. I kind of go like this. I'm like, like I'm kind of reading a lot of it, but like I want to move on.

And do you retain any of that information when you do that. A lot of times I go, I don't know what I just read. I'll read a whole chapter in here. history class and go, this is worthless. I don't remember anything. I learned nothing. There's nothing in this book. But like visually, if you showed me a war documentary, I'd pick up a lot. Same. I do so much better with something like that. I love a documentary. I love me. And I think a lot of people are like that. Did they medicate you? They did not medicate me. I medicated eventually in college and then it wasn't a great situation. Right. Yeah. I. Riddlein.

that's that's not yeah it was good for a while and then they kept upping it until it was like on the highest dosage and then i went literally insane yeah and if you drink on riddlin you're effed oh i'm glad i wasn't i don't think i was drinking like a ton then that's that's good ooh i didn't even know that but you it sounds like dyslexia really didn't stop you did your grade suffer or anything like that i probably could have had better grades than what i I had. You had A used, didn't you? No, I was like a B student B plus. But I had, I, after London, we moved back here and I went to a school that was like very traditional and academic and it's not a great situation socially for me, but I had this amazing educational therapist who

became like a second mom to me. And I would even go over to her house because she worked out of her house. I would go over to her house and just do my homework from her house, even on days when I wasn't. I only saw what to leave. Why was that? Why did you? just feel really comfortable and safe with her. Yeah. And she was so helpful. She helped me. She taught me how to study. She taught me how to take notes. She taught me, you know, how organized everything. And she would like put a fire on for me. She like calmed you. Calm me. Yeah. That was probably a big part of it. Yeah. But did you ever get anxiety or any depression or anything growing up? Or was that just come later? In college, yes. In college, yes.

after I had that whole thing with the like taking the riddle in and having like it caused anxiety so I would get so tired I would be up for so long and I'd be exhausted but I couldn't sleep I remember calling my mom and I'm so tired and I can't sleep I can't sleep um so after getting off that I mean I think that I was experiencing depression I mean I know I was experiencing depression then um and they thought then that I had depression because of the ADHD. There's, you know, all that kind of stuff. Right.

It was a really rude awakening for me to go from my growing up. I think it was fairly sheltered, even though we traveled a lot of the world, like I was protected from a lot of things. And then my freshman year of college, there was a lot of grown-up things I had to face and, you know, all the kinds of things going on. You're growing up. Someone I know was somebody I know was cutting themselves. There was like somebody who is.

schizophrenic who like I befriended but then he'd call a lot and it was a little too much for me to deal with as a young person to handle yeah it was like a real rude awakening into the world of like oh the world is dark there's a lot of bad things going on yeah and there's a lot for me to just process um so I did experience I don't have experienced depression like throughout my life at different times do you go to therapy I do I'm on a break for a few months but I'm like I need to go back it's amazing how you think i got it together i don't need to blow money and and and do this and it's just time consuming i have nothing to talk about i have yeah and then all of a sudden you're like i need to see someone yeah and then it's all of a sudden all this stuff comes out from all

the times you didn't go yeah i always talk i tell ryan like um you know it's it's you think you have nothing to talk about but about 10 or 15 minutes in you start to let go and relax into it and things come out, and it's just to talk to someone and not just your partner or your friend or someone who's professional who can just take a look and say, hey, what's going on, you know, a check in? So I think that's important. And I think it's the times when we're not like desperate for therapy that you can go even deeper, even though it's the times when you're like, well, I think I'm okay. I don't need to go to therapy. But it's those times we're like, I don't know what I'm going to talk about that then stuff comes out, you know, and you can

kind of go even deeper. When you're dealing with like a crisis or like something big in your life that you really, it's obvious you need to go to therapy, you're kind of just dealing with that one thing, you know, but when you're like, you know, just having day to day stuff, that's when you can kind of like really go into. Do you look back and think, you know, can you pinpoint like the toughest time in your life? Like this sort of these years were really really. tough for me because I can do that I can go you know this was a really tough time and I didn't know it was happening with my body and the anxiety what was causing it which caused depression and I felt like I don't even know who I am in a way and I went to a treatment center for like 30 30 days yeah but

and my friends are like I didn't know you're an alcoholic I'm not it's not about alcohol right yeah I don't know you were drug yet no I don't do drugs yeah smoke a little pun right you know and nothing you need to go to to rehab for yeah right but i just said i need i need to talk to people i need to be away for a while have you ever had a dark period of time like that i've had a couple i had like one job that was just it really triggered me for various reasons that i now understand both like with my biology and also just my like you know who i am and my history as a per like like growing up and things really triggered me and really was hard to get past. We're just like, bad situation.

I did not feel safe in any were, you know, I found out that like one of the people was saying like the worst things about me behind my back when I thought we were like friends or friendly or whatever. And I also, like most of my experiences in my life from where. work have been, and I know that's not what most people experience in entertainment. But it happens. No, but like that I, most of my career, I've had really good experiences with good people who mean well, we're going to give each other the benefit of their doubt.

Like, had your back. You mess up, you have each other's back. You're not out for each other or something. But this job, like, I mean. It triggered you. It triggered me. It really triggered me. And it was really upsetting.

was one that was really upsetting to me. How did you get over that? A lot of therapy. A lot of therapy. I mean, what kind of advice do you think that you got that you took in and really helped you? Like, was it something like you can only control what you're doing? You can't control what everybody else is doing. Was it sort of like focus on the work, focus on you, on you, do the job and go home. When I was in the middle of it, I just had to just get done, you know, put your head down and finish it.

And that's not fun. Yeah, no, that's not fun. I wasn't even processing what was happening as much when I was in the middle of the job is really afterwards. So in terms of, I mean, it's hard to just say like, you know, focus on yourself. Don't worry about it.

You're fine. Yeah. When you're, really having a hard time, you know, getting past something. And you're like, what part did I play in this? And I always want to look at myself and know, like, what did I play? Like, what did I do? And I'm the first to look at that.

And I know that I'm sure there were some things I added to, but at the same time, this is so horrible. Like, I can't, like, to me. But I also know that for, for various reasons, my reaction was bigger than like maybe average Joe's reaction to the environment. Well, you were sensitive. I'm sensitive. You're a sensitive person.

I'm a sensitive person. The particular things that happened, I think, kind of triggered me from my childhood and things like that. I know that. You know, where that therapy helped me recognize that. Where it's like, okay, why is this so upsetting to me? Yeah, this person did a really shitty thing. But why is it, why can't I just be like, oh, yeah, that was shitty.

Let's move on. Because you're hurt. Yeah. You know, when you said that, immediately, that's a lot of me. What happens is, and I don't realize it right away. But when someone's, you know, when I'm doing, I feel like I'm giving and I'm this and I'm that and it feels like rejection. It feels like someone, I don't know, in a way, like I disappointed someone and I don't

know why and I feel like it's my relationship with so and so and all these things come back and then I react a certain way where I'm like you know it's not like that's fine that's fine you know that's totally cool I'm like all of a sudden I get like this what why why why don't you say what you really mean why are you doing this and yeah they take it as confrontation I'm like no I'm like you're being direct I'm being direct and they can't handle that so maybe that's their own childhood issues yeah but it's it's when i leave and i go why did that upset you and i think about it and it's like because no matter what you did as a kid it wasn't enough no matter what you did or what you said they didn't believe you or they didn't or they disappointed it was it's all most of its childhood

yeah in a lot of ways so the question is how do you get past it so and you say well i just would get through it. And that's the worst way. Just just to just with the mentality is I just got to get through it. You're not healing that way. It's like how do I? Right. So it's like how do I like that's like, that's why I feel like when I'm working, it's like it has to be an element of fun. It has to be, I want to know who's on the job. I want to know that this is, I want the crew to be fun. And I want, I want to know everybody. And it's, it's, and you, I don't know, you, you grow when you learn and you make mistakes and you're a little snobby here and there where we all are yeah we grow but it's how you how you get over that is the is the big hurdle and it's like you have to have the right therapist yeah that's true

you know i've switched therapists many times yeah and that's good it's good to recognize because you could spend a lot of time talking to the wrong person that's not going to help you get places you know yeah um and i think you know i've spent time thinking like okay I know how bad a bad set can feel like I know how good a good set can feel like but how much can I be okay with like I'm not, you know, on bones we became like very close

like the cast became close like I became very good friends with so many of the actors and we were really you know we had a great rapport with the crew like it was so great Like, but the more time I have passed that, I'm like, oh, my God, we were so lucky.

I didn't even appreciate it, but I didn't really deeply appreciate that. And yes, we're ups and downs. Sure. Because we did that show for 12 years. Oh, my God. You know, there's ups and downs. And you're also like, time you're feeling like, oh, my God, what am I doing? If I do another, you know, interrogation scene or if I do another.

How do I do this differently? Yeah. Just do it. Every time, you're like, how to make this fresh and new? What's different about this? and like, okay, we got a dead body on a lab platform. How do we make this different? Like, we do it every week.

I would do that, you know, on Smallville. I would, you know, a new director come on. He's fresh and happening. He's like, all right. So I was thinking maybe Lex is at the bar. I'm like, wow, Lex is at the bar. Oh, my God. That's in the crude laugh.

And I'm like, I'm just kidding. It's just like, you know, Lex goes to the bar a lot. It's fine. But like, you just try to make fun of it and move on. Yeah. But, yeah, but so, yeah, that was a good time because 12 years that you spend more time with the makeup and the crew and all these people than you do with your own family. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

These days are long. They're a long days doing a draw. I mean, you know, you did that. I mean, how many episodes did you do in 12 years? I think it's around 246, but I think there might be, like, might be 245, 245, I don't know. There's some. I think it's 246, but I think at some point there was some discrepancy because also there's one season where we did, we filmed some episodes for the next season while we were filming the other. So it's like where, I don't know.

I don't know why that is, but I think it's around. It just becomes a bore. It's not 250, but it's just shy, basically. Right. Yeah. How many did you do? I did 160. I left after season seven, but I did 100, about 160 something.

Okay. I mean, that's a lot of episodes. It was a lot. But I wasn't the lead in every scene like Tom was. You and David were the leads. Yeah. You're bones. We're like double.

Yeah. I mean, you're in every, most every scene. I mean, the beginning of, in the beginning, I was. And there'd be a few scenes that I wasn't in, but they'd be shot on the double up day where you had two units where I'd be starting the next episode. So I literally had no scenes off. Were you exhausted? Unbelievably exhausted.

Like, honestly. Honestly, I can't, did you think ever, like, go home at night and think, I can't, I can't do this. I'm going to, I'm going to die. I can't physically and mentally do this. Did you ever think those things? Maybe not die. Yeah. I mean, I think I did.

And then you just get up the next day and you do it again. You know, I, I'm pretty good at just kind of getting up and doing it again. But I know there's a lot of nights of, like, crying in my bathtub. You know, just trying to... I want to go home. Yeah. And I, you know, I was really struggling because I'd never done a TV show before that. Did you do any other shows before, Smallville?

Yeah, I did some shows, but this was the biggest one. Yeah. And this was the most longevity. Yeah. Yeah. I had never done... I'd done pilots and I done guest stars. I done like an arc of like two episodes.

You weren't easing in. You weren't easing into the process. Not at all. That's terrifying. And I had panic attacks. Of course. And I didn't recognize what that was. until later on.

But yeah, it was, it was, it was, it was really challenging. And I mean, I was kind of losing my mind. I think everybody doing that kind of work, especially first season on a drama, you kind of go insane. And then you kind, and then A, they figure out how to not write seven people into a lab platform scene. Like on our show, we had this amazing set.

It was enormous. Like, enormous. And it had a platform in the middle of this huge lab. And so you'd have all the background people around walking around the lab. Then there's the platform. And then there's, like, if you have like seven actors in the scene, like, forget it. It takes so long to film that. So they got savvy with that.

They got savvy with using the other amazing actors that we had. We don't need Emily in this scene. We don't, right, yeah. I didn't need to be in every scene. So maybe you worked three days a week or four. Well, no, I worked five days a week, but I was not in every single scene every day. Yeah, yeah, I still was working five days a week until later on. Then I would get some days off, like seasons later, I would get some days off.

But, yeah, when I started, wait, I had friends who did series, but they were all sitcoms or, you know, single camera, but they're all comedies. Right. And so they, those guys get a week off a month. I had no idea I mean I remember one of our producers Barry Josephson said to me I play hockey with Barry You do not

I love Barry I love Barry He's great He's great He's such a sweet heart He's a sweet soul He really is He tried to get me to do the bone spin-off

The finder They offered me There's two Well the one that just did a pilot They did a pilot And they didn't go Didn't get picked up But I didn't, I just, I just, I knew the amount of work you guys did.

And I didn't want any part of that. Yeah. Yeah. That's, I said, dude, I love you. I met with the head. Good for you for recognizing that. I remember I met with the head of Foxford and then Barry and then the creator. And I go, and I was doing it because I love Barry, but I was like, Barry, I don't, I don't want to work this hard ever again.

Yeah. Yeah. It's, you, I don't. I get delusional and sometimes, I don't want to do 22 episodes ever again. I don't think. Eight to 10. Maybe when my kids are out of the house. house, I would consider doing that in an ensemble or something like that. But yeah, age of 10.

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Yeah. You want people to. recognize you, sure. Okay, but you're going to have no life and you're going to work so hard and you're going to be absolutely physically and mentally exhausted. And you're going to move to Vancouver. Yeah. Okay. And you just do it. Yeah. Because you're like, hey, the good outweigh the bad. I want to do this. This is fun. And then when you're in it, you're like, oh my gosh, this is really, this is harder than people think. Yeah. This is like, I don't learn lines that easily. And so I'm studying the night before and really working and trying to get it down and, you know, then on your feet all day and, you know, and all this stuff.

So did you learn lines pretty easily after a while? First season was hard. And I also had very specific dialogue in that not only was a speaking scientific jargon and skeletal system jargon and all of that. But my character had a very particular way of speaking, you know. She was almost on the autism spectrum, and she kind of had a kind of formal way of speaking. It wasn't, you can't ad lib it. You can't, like, get the gist of what she's saying. And then you have to be precise.

You have to say exactly the way it's written. I mean, I, you know, I went to drama school where, you know, the playwright is king. So, you know, that was normal. But you're not learning lines like that in drama school. What's the biggest word? You have a month to prepare. That you still haunt you. That you couldn't get it out.

Oh, my gosh. I don't know. There's probably much worse word. There was words that I can't remember that were much worse. But, you know, I'd have to say epiphysial fusion a lot of times. And there was a thing in the pilot that had to do with diatomaceous earth. But that's not a bone saying. But we had to, there was a lot of things.

But I probably can't remember the worst of them. But I do, I do remember a certain amount of. No acute intracurranial abnormality here, acute ishamia. hydrocephalus, you know, it's like, that would, that would haunt me. At least, you know, it's like, oh my God, but I guess did you learn lines on the fly? So once I got into a groove, like probably a couple seasons in, after a certain point, they're like, okay, you can, this PA will help you with lines. And then at a certain point, they're like, we will pay some of a salary for an assistant for you to run lines. And so I had assistant.

and I would learn the lines just the day before unless I had a big speech or a very challenging thing and then I'd have to do it. But that worked really well for me to just learn it the day before. And then I had an assistant with me on set. And so every break, running the line. So you're nonstop filming and then working on it. I was like a machine. Did they ever surprise you with, oh, we changed all the lines? No. Thank God. That's my biggest nightmare. Oh, we completely rewrote your speech. Can you learn this over lunch?

No. Get me key cards. Get me fucking key cards. I'm not going to look like an asshole, you know. I once worked on a movie where they like day of were like, we put some new page with some new pages in your trailer and I was like, okay. And they're like, we'll be filming this today. And it was like a sex scene.

I mean, it was not like a, it was still a Disneyish movie. But still. So it was not, but it was like, whoa. Hang on. They didn't even have like a bra for me. to wear. Like, it was like, we just scrambled. I think I wore the costume designer's bra. That's when you call your agent and go, yeah, they're making me do a son. There's like, we send you some pages and you're like, oh, this is a, there's no dialogue.

This is a love scene. All right. Interesting. And I remember, you're really cool. I'm like, I don't know how to be otherwise about it. But it was also like, there's nothing like, um, gratuitous. It was not, it was still in the Disney world. Right. It was just like, it was not. I love you. There was a bra. Do you still love acting? You know, I do. There's been times I did. Like, if you talk to me right after Bones, it was a huge transition.

And I don't know if you experienced that after Smallville. Oh, yeah. But I, I didn't, it's not that I wanted to continue doing Bones. Like, not that I would, it wasn't my decision to stop doing Bones. They canceled the show after, but it was 12 years. 12 years. Um, so, um, I wouldn't have been like, we need to keep doing this. Like I was, I wanted the time. I had two young kids. I wanted the time with my kids. But it was like, it was such, um, a change of my day to day life. I had, I felt like I had a purpose. And then I wanted to spend the time with my family. And I love spending that time. But I felt like I had lost a big purpose in my life and like the thing that I do every day. Um, so after that, though, but I didn't, I didn't want anyone to talk to me about acting.

I was not inspired to act. I went through those stages. Do you still like acting? You know, I, I do. But it just, it just has to be the right thing. So I still, you know, I'll get some offers. I just got this offer for this really cool movie. But the dates are not good.

I have so many things planned. And my dog just got out of surgery. So I was like, gosh, man, can they move this to January? And they can't? So that sucks. And then, you know, occasionally they'll send me something where I go, it doesn't, I don't care when they say you've got an unbelievable showrunner here. This is a creator that's amazing. It doesn't matter to me.

I read the material. If I don't like the material, if I don't want to play this character, I just don't do it. Yeah. So for me, it just has to be something I really want to do. Like I go, you know what? I'm not the lead. It's a fun character. I could do this.

I could really add to it, but those don't come up as often as I'd like them to. Yeah. But I'm more on the creating side now, producing and things like that. But yeah, I would totally act again if it's the right thing. I mean, I do bit parts and like movies and stuff like for, you know, small parts. Like James Gunn asked me to do Guardians 2 and 3 and I do a little part. Oh, that's awesome. You know, like you go on for a week or two and you make some money and you're around great people and your friends.

that's fun yeah and you keep your health insurance i know i'm yeah i'm losing mine right now yeah you know you can just pay every month there's a there's something well i can also my husband has insurance so i can just david yeah hornsby yes gosh i love that man he loves you he's such a good man he's such a good man yeah he's uh he's a joy working with him he's got such a big heart you've been married for let me guess it's got to be 17 years 15 years married because you have almost 15 you have you have a 14 year old right almost 14 yeah and a nine year old oh 10 year old see them right there you're so close yeah yeah yeah so I knew it had to be I said 17 because I thought maybe they dated for a couple we did we dated for three years before we got

oh yeah but then we're like okay let's have kids but he's wonderful I mean he's the he's the he's the kind like I've had you know gone out with women who were like you know I want kids and I'm like I I don't think I do but I'm like but you should You should meet someone like David Hornsby, Emily's husband, because this is the kind of guy you want to marry. He would be perfect. Are you, are you close friends with Zoe, close with Zoe? Your sister?

Yes, yeah. Are you close friends with your sister? I'm very good friends with my sister. I'm sure. Was there ever a competition? Was there ever like times where you guys didn't get along? I mean, we have our times for sure. I mean, like it's a complicated thing to be sisters.

but we're definitely very close. I mean, we fought a lot as kids. Yeah, my brother and I too. Did you? Just for I wanted him dead. Is that too extreme? I did not want my sister dead, but we would physically fight each other. Oh, yeah.

I mean, there's nobody who would push my buttons more. I'm sure I pushed her buttons more than anybody else. And, yeah. But now as adults, I think once I went to college, I think we had an appreciation for each other. You made up? Because, like, the distance, you know, helped. But, yeah, no, we're close. I mean, just texting with her last night.

We could, you know, see each other. She lives in L.A. She lives in L.A. All right. So you see each other. We live close by to each other. They have their cousins. The kids have their cousins.

The kids have cousins. My younger son is, like, very close in age with her kids. So they're, like, a good, tight-knit career. That's great. Yeah. It's really cute. My older son is, he does. doesn't really have any other cousins.

Like, he's on his own kind of. He's at the adult table, you know? Yeah, that's awesome. An Animal Kingdom got a lot of praise. Oh, yeah. That got a lot of praise. And it was just on Netflix. 87% Rotten Tomatoes.

I don't really like Rotten Tomatoes. I think that's a bunch of, but the- It's interesting rotten tomatoes. Sometimes I'm like, wow, that's 99%. Interesting. Yeah, whatever. But Animal Kingdom is a great show. But like, you know, was it a nice departure going from bones?

Yes. oh my god to play a character like that yeah right it's been on netflix so a few people like somebody came up to me the other day about it but also people i know who'd never seen it before um have seen it and one of them was like it was just you it was just great to see you you were so great and it was just i was like wait the yeah you got a lot of praise for it i don't know i don't know if i got praised for it um but the this woman was like you're great but i was like So the ex-con, heroin addict was just, I was just acting like myself. Just easy.

I'm like, I need to work on my acting if that's what I can. But, no, it was so fun to play a totally different character. And, like, that was my first, I think I didn't, like, done a drunk history for a date with my friend Derek Waters. But besides that, I didn't have done anything. Do you know, Derek? Yeah, did you, were you drunk? No, I didn't do that. But I didn't do that.

I reenacted twice, but then we had him on our Bones rewatch podcast, and we got drunk for that. Really? I mean, we were trying to be tipsy, but I am a lightweight. You were drunk. You're like, ah! I was like falling asleep, too. I mean, it was, I went home and, like, fell asleep for hours.

I did this thing. It's like Drunk History Month, but it's, I forgot it was high times. And it hasn't aired to try, I think they're trying to sell it, but I, The idea is you get really stoned and they give you these pages like the day of and of stories. Mine was like Alcatraz and the history of Alcatraz. Okay. So this is basically drunk history, but high. I never really get too high.

I don't smoke joints often. And so they go, we want you to get really high. So I smoked a whole joint. I had my friend go with me. Yeah. I was so high that I would be like, and Alcatraz, it was like, this just. this this place man it was like bad and i was so high that the director say hey say this and this i go what i was so out of so i think it was funny there's a lot of comedians like tiffany had they

need some the little uh editing maybe for those pauses or not because i'm stone it's maybe hilarious it's maybe hilarious so i don't i don't know i bet that's hilarious but i i you know I always wanted to see it to see how it turned out. Yeah. But it hasn't come out yet. Yeah, it hasn't come out. Yeah. I'm curious about that.

What do you have, do you have anything coming up? Do I have anything coming up? Oh, well, I did an indie film that's going to get to distribution, I guess. What an indie film? It's called reentry and it's a, it's a sci-fi, like a grounded sci-fi thing about an astronaut who goes into like the multiverse for the first time. It sounds like it's much more grounded than when you usually talk about a multiverse kind of thing. But Sam Trammell and Noma de Mezzanee are both in it who are awesome. And basically he goes into another dimension and it's supposed to come right back in 10 seconds, but he doesn't come back.

And so we're like, well, he's gone. And then a year later, he walks right back through the thing. And then it's like what happens there and what happens? well that's kind of cool yeah it's a really it was a great story great script first time like writer and director right except maybe they did some small thing before it's it's a small film but it was a lot of fun and it's a great idea and story and script so and it was awesome what a great experience to do but i did that and then um yeah i did i did a film that called big boys i have a small part in that's so good that was nominated for independent spirit awards this year called big

boys it's so sweet it's like a coming of age story about a teenage boy who like realizes he's gay on a camping trip but it's like got a lot of humor and stuff and I play's mom yeah big boys big boys what you're going to do um what do you think what do you think the key to longevity is in this business because you know you've been around I wish I knew I mean but what do you think I mean what comes to mind to me is kindness, professionalism, a good attitude. Yeah. Because obviously, with a lot, you don't have to be great. Yeah.

You know, sometimes you watch things and you're like, all right, well. Yeah. Sometimes there's greatness. Absolutely. But I think, I think if you're good to work with and, you know, you know your shit. Yeah. I think you have a chance at longevity. But I think adaptability is probably part of that, too.

I think as we, as actors, we have to like, age is change as we age. We're not going to be playing the same parts at 50 or whatever that we are playing when we were 20, right? And so you have to kind of grow with that and adapt. And hopefully you're like growing as an actor and being able to play different things too. I don't feel like I know. And I think the business is so strange right now. So I feel like I don't know. And I'm the same as you, Larry, like a job has to make sense for me.

But I love working. I love acting and I love doing things. I'm trying to do some producing and things like that too. And that excites me. But yeah, I think that's adapting, right? If you're trying to do different jobs or trying to make the jobs happen if they're not coming towards you. There's good and bad. The pros are, I think, that you now can do anything you want and no one's going to look down on you.

You could do, I go to conventions and I see, you know, Hemsworth there and you and McGregor and I'm like, you know, and a TV crossover with now everybody's doing it. I mean, Billy Bob Thornton's got his own show and like, you know, but, you know, the AI, it's, you know, we can beat that over the head with a hammer. Yeah, I don't know how much AI yet is playing a part, at least with. I think a lot already. Yet, but I'm not tapped into all that. I don't, I think it's a concern certainly for, for people doing background. Yeah. And I think it's a concern for other jobs in the business.

Sure. And I think it will be a, you probably know more than I do. I don't know, but I don't see it that being an issue. I just think that the business has changed after COVID and after the strikes. And then it just seems to be contracting or it has contracted. obviously. I mean, they used to do 20 pilots every network, and now they're doing two if they do anything. Yeah, but then you look at all these streamers and you're like, I don't know this show. I've never heard of this show. Yeah, there's so many things. I don't know this show. When were these, when did they have auditions for these shows?

I know. There's a thousand, there's a thousand fucking shows and I've never heard of any of them. I do experiencing scenes. And you're sending me some goddamn independent movie that shoots in Iowa. What about all these? I've had the same thing where I've looked at things. I'm like, well wait why wasn't i considered for this but i guess we also don't know if we're considered and then they're already sending an offer to somebody else or whatever but um yeah i don't know all the different things but yeah some of those things though are also like you're like what is this show i don't know this show and then it's like in a totally different language sometimes it takes me a moment that it's been dubbed i know you're like oh what it says i don't know any of these actors i was pissed that

i wasn't considered for uh squid game the hack man no no no no at the very very very very end, there's these guys that come in and they all are English-speaking American or English or whatever. And I was watching them and I was like going, why do they, I don't want to put anybody down, but I was like, I could have killed one of these roles. But I'm sure they cast. I know. Sometimes I do that. But sometimes I watch something. I go, gosh, that guy is super talented. Yeah. I can't do that. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I love it. I'm not as good as that person. I usually do that. I love when I've auditioned for things. and then you see who gets it.

And they impress you. And you're like, oh, that's how you do that job. That's how you play that character. And sometimes it's just who they are and how they interpret something is just exactly what it needed to be. And like my brain wouldn't even think of doing it that way. I know. I love that.

But yeah, when I see it and it's like, oh. But sometimes you go. Sometimes you're like, that's not necessarily better than what I would have done. I would have done way better than that. That was awful. I was fucking awful. What was the, have you heard the joke? Like, how many actresses it take to screw in a light bulb?

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Don G. Was there ever a moment on Bones or any other show or movie? You said, oh my God, I can't believe I get paid to do this. And what was that? Oh. Oh, yeah. They're, I mean, I got to like be weightless. It wasn't really weightless, but I got to be in the harness.

and pretend to be weightless on bones, I was like, if this is a job, like this would be my other job besides acting. To be weightless? To be weightless? I want to be weightless. Maybe it's like being an acrobat or something like that. That was so fun to me.

There's a lot of times. Any kind of fun adventure thing that we did. You're in. I loved it. Well, I mean, you're doing a show for a long time. It's something different. It breaks up the monotony. It breaks up the monotony.

And it's just fun. I love that kind of stuff. So like repelling off of something or like doing a shootout because I, my character wasn't a cop. So I didn't get to do that very often. But I did get guns and stuff at different times. Like that's fun, you know? So I, that was, we did join the circus for one thing and got to do like, you know, performances as these, you know, are alter egos essentially.

So yeah, there are a lot of times that I couldn't believe it. Raj, tell me about a time someone was able to change your mind. Oh, my God. That's hard to think about. That might take longer than rapid fire. Little Lisa, what do you think makes someone a good person? I think putting yourself in other people's shoes, the more you can do that and try and understand other people

is a great path towards being a good person because then you're going to always try to work with other people and think from a different perspective. Thinking about other people, caring about other people. Empathy. Empathy and compassion. 100%. Melina W.

How did you deal with playing a character who was analytical about death and murder for 12 seasons and not take it home with you? It was hard at first. The first season was really hard. Maybe even the first two seasons. Like, it's depressing to not only deal with death every day, but murder. We're talking about murder.

Murder. Murder. Is that coming back? Jamie Lee Curtis playing. I never watched it. I have no idea. I watched it. Did you?

I loved it. I don't think, was there a big male audience of murder she wrote? That's very much. Although Golden Girls. Did you like Golden Girls? Yeah. Oh, yeah. We love Golden Girls.

I love that they had those shows. Although they were like 50 years old. They weren't 80, by the way. I mean, I worked with Betty White. I'm older than probably B. Arthur was. Yeah. We probably both are older. Jesus, man, can you believe that?

Leanne, what is your, well, you're not Leanne, but Leanne says, what is your favorite way to spend the day? Oh, okay. Sleep in, hang out with the family, have a brunch. Um, like be on a beautiful beach somewhere, go to the spa, be with friends, have great meals, be with my family, um. Watch a good movie. Watch a great movie. Watch the pit. I like the pit. I haven't watched it yet. I need to watch it. Everyone's loving it. Mary L. Okay. How difficult was it to manage pregnancy and family as you were filming bones? Hard. I was very tired. Just that alone, I would sometimes finish work and then have to

take a nap before I drive home because I was so tired. I couldn't drive home, you know? I mean, they limited my hours to, this is like compared to other professions, people will think this is hilarious. But like my first pregnancy, they limited it to 12 hour days. And then my second pregnancy, they limited to 10 hour days. I had some complications. That's a lot of hours. It's still a lot of freaking hours when you're pregnant. I mean, it takes so much.

Dude, are you kidding me? Be exhausted. How do you feel about me calling you dude? I love being called dude. I call people dude all the time. I have a friend Ken, I always talk about it. But like, every time you're like, hey, how was the concert? He's like, oh, oh, yeah, dude.

It was, dude. He's so funny. Melissa Ann, last question. It was rad. Oh, yeah. out. Melissa M., how did you feel about the ending to Bones? I mean, I liked it. If we're going to end it, we liked it. We blew up the lab. That was David Boreannis's dream. They blew up the lab. And honestly, like, if you ask me what the exact

plot was of the end of bones, I couldn't tell you. I could not tell you. I forgot like a really major plot point. That's when we're doing this rewatch podcast, and it is interesting to, you know, go back and remember we're doing that with smallville yes yes how far along are you guys we're a season seven episode oh my god you're far along yeah yeah yeah i'm only yeah anyway yeah we can talk more this is this has been amazing well it's been really nice you're fun you're open you talk about everything you i mean it's oh barry josephson said get away on the weekends like go you can go away on the weekends go go to Santa Barbara go to the desert but then I didn't I was working into Saturday morning most you have no time then you get a drive all the way down there and I thought when

I started I think Barry was the one that broke it to me like I was like well when we have time off because I thought that I'd have a month I mean a week off every month because I had all my friends did comedy that doesn't work this way he's like well you'll have two days on Thanksgiving you know I had the Thursday and Friday off you know and I was like oh that's uh we're in July and that's a long way away so um yeah that's all Barry said to me it wasn't the I'm sure he said many wise words but they weren't necessarily the wise words at that point but yeah love Barry well Emily this has been a real treat for me thank you for doing this. Thanks for having me give my love to David will he sends his love

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