Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - EMMANUELLE CHRIQUI: True Feelings On ENTOURAGE, Surviving SUPERMAN & LOIS & Power of Stillness

Episode Date: May 19, 2026

Emmanuelle Chriqui (Entourage, Superman and Lois) joins us this week for a deeply honest conversation about the loss, anxiety, and identity shifts that nobody saw from the outside. Emmanuelle opens up about both of her parents passing, the grounded calm that hides a more anxious interior, and the brutal stretch on Superman and Lois when her manager and dear friend took his life and she didn't know if she could keep going. We also talk about feeling boxed in by Sloan after Entourage, how rejection has changed for her with age, and the small daily practices that keep her in one piece. Thank you to our sponsors: ♨️ Head to  https://www.tryfum.com/INSIDE to get your free gift with purchase, and start The Good Habit today! ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: ⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou⁠⁠ 👕 Inside Of You Merch: ⁠⁠https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/⁠⁠ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 ⁠⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show⁠⁠ __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: ⁠⁠https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠⁠ 🤣 TikTok: ⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast⁠⁠ 📘 Facebook: ⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠⁠ 🐦 Twitter: ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod⁠⁠ 🌐 Website: ⁠⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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But we have a great guest, Emmanuel Shriki. She's such a lovely human being. It was really easy to talk to her and see where she's coming from and get inside. of her a little bit. Get inside of her life and in her mind and what's what's happening. And she, uh, she was so much fun. I had a great time. So without further ado, let's just get inside of Emmanuel Shrieky. Where you get nervous for a role. Oh my God. I get panicked. Do you get anxiety? Yeah. I live with anxiety. What are you doing? I was just taking a live picture. I always get nervous, but I, but that's, that's fun. I look forward to it. Let's get everything out of today we

can. And how much time do you have left? And how you have left? And how you you're going to use it well. So come on now. We would have to do another inside of you. But actually, but that's kind of what you're doing, Michael. I mean, you're going on this road, this journey of what's inside of you. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. How many years have you been doing this? Um, shit, Ryan, how many years that I've been doing this? I've interviewed probably 420 guests. It's pretty crazy. It's amazing. Good for you. No, it's a great support team.

I mean, the patrons, you know, you know, a patron? Yeah. Huge. They just, you know. And it turned into something else. Like it became more about mental health and like, you know. Right. Actors like, oh, they deal with adversity too.

Right. They have problems. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You cry. You're not a robot. So once you start opening up a little bit, and it's not to say that you have to like completely open up and start crying right now. Are you going to make me cry? No.

Do you cry a lot? Yeah. What do you cry at about? I cry when I'm angry. Really? Yeah. You know what? My girlfriend does that. Really? Yeah. She like just can't handle it. I'm like, we're not even arguing. Right, right, right. It's just like I get overwhelmed and I and it's like, yeah, that's when I cry. I cry when I like a lot bottled up and then I'm trying not to cry, which makes me want to cry even more. Do you have like this thing where it's like you almost hyperventilate? No. Oh, okay. No. But you just get emotional.

Yeah. Like I don't know. I don't want to feel like this. Yes, exactly. But do you think a lot of that is like you said, bottle stuff that's bottled up that you, the smallest thing, you're like all of a sudden you snap, not snap, but you let it go. Yeah.

For sure. Do you go to therapy? Yeah. Like every week? I go, you know, I go in and out. I'll do like a couple of months every week. And right now I'm on a little. sort of organic time out.

Right. But I was, I was thinking that I want to go back. You know, I think that's what always happens. It's like, I'm fine, I'm fine. And then you're fine. And then you're like, oh, my God, I'm not fine. Right.

And that's why it's like, you need a tune up. Yeah. You need to. You know, you should, yeah. And also that it's not a crutch either, you know, like, there was, listen, I swear by therapy, but there was certainly the last few sessions where I was like, I think I'm good right now.

Like, I'm just going to go live light. and deal and da-da-da-da. Now it's time for tuna. Yeah. It's good. And does it kind of take you by surprise when you feel like you need to go in? You're like you can just sense yourself that you're a little off spiritually. Are you spiritual?

I think yes. You are. What makes a person spiritual? I feel like spiritual and soulful are a little. Connected. Yeah, they're partners. Do you know what I mean? No, I hear that.

Yeah. Yeah. And so, I mean, but like certainly I am spiritual. I think I have a lot of faith. I think it's, you know, it's both like sort of new age and it's also how I was raised. So it's this like marriage of both. Do you know? And yeah. I mean, were you, did you have a strict family? We talked a long time ago. I know. But like was your family, were they strict? Were they? Yeah. My family was pretty strict. My mom was really strict. But, you know. You know, my growing up, I grew up in a very traditional practicing Jewish home. Right. And there was rules. And there were fights about breaking those rules. Did your dad get ever, was milk not allowed at the table when you're eating meat?

Oh, yeah. Oh, no, no. We were strictly kosher at home. Yeah, one day I'm drinking milk. And we're not even religious, you know. Where I was a kid, my dad goes, put the milk back. Get the milk off the table. I'm like, do you suddenly?

not like milk. No, get it off. He didn't even explain it to me. I found out later that it has something to do with whatever. That's hilarious. Yeah, but then he's just chowing down on bacon. I'm like, what the fuck? Who are you? Contradiction, dude. I mean, contradictions like crazy. Are your parents with you still? No. Both of them passed. When? My mom, like, oh my goodness, in 1998. And then my dad, like 12 years ago. Do you still think about him? every day. And your mom? Yeah.

You were that close. Yeah. My mom, you know, I was young. I was 16 when she passed and she was sick a lot of my growing up. But I feel like, you know, in my meditations or like when I pray, I include them. That's nice. I do too. You know what I mean?

Did you, do you have both your answer? Yeah, both my parents. Okay. But I, you know, I love my parents, but I'm not, I've never been really close with them. there's some things we have we have our things we have our moments that we can relate to and we have you know because there's memories you have yeah you know and but in terms of closeness like I'll tell them anything no right were you able to tell your parents everything not my mom but certainly my dad and I were really close really there was very little that I couldn't tell him

Like he was really, my dad was the, you know, he was the super like warm, gentle, friendly, wouldn't hurt a fly. And, you know, he didn't like to infringe on us. He didn't like to, he let us deal with our stuff. And sometimes we wanted to be like, dad, what do you think? Like, I need your opinion right now. You're not infringing. Like, I don't want to know. You know, but.

But yeah, dad was great. Yeah, I could tell you, you still kind of like thinking about him and just makes you smile. Was it a hard loss? Yeah. Was it unexpected? No, he was sick. Both my parents were sick, but he was sick and we knew it was coming. And, you know, for me, I feel like I had a second chance at this.

You know, my mom, I was young and I didn't get it. And I spent so much time running away from the house and the sickness and all the stuff. And so when my dad got sick, I really was able to make a very conscious effort to be there and to speak to him. Tell him you love him. And I used to say to him, like, Dad, will you like give me signs when you go? Will you let them know? I told my grandmother that. You did.

I asked her to give me signs. She was, I'll give you signs. And did she? Yeah, I think she gives me signs. Yeah. Like little things that just make me laugh or smile. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. I think there are those symbolic moments in your life that they're deliberate. They're not, you know, people are like, oh, that's just circumstantial. Or I like to think of it differently. I like to think, ah, that's my grandpa right there. Yes. And I sincerely do. I sincerely like to think that we're going somewhere better.

Yeah. You know, that, you know, people can laugh at that or scoff. But I think it's important to have faith in something, you know, whether it's spiritual, whether it's God, whether it's whatever it is. It's like, I don't know. Sometimes when people are like, I don't believe in God. I'm atheist. I'm like, really?

You don't believe really in anything? You have no faith. I just find it difficult to understand. Me too. Maybe just as difficult for them to understand why I believe. Right, right, right. It's just innate. It's innate.

It's hard to explain. It is a feeling. Yeah, it's a feeling. It's just like, you know, hey. But yeah, I mean, do you like going through this with your father, Do you feel like you embrace kind of like the idea of that we all die and that does death scare you? You know, I try to embrace it. It does scare me.

It does. It does scare me. But I think the part that scares me is the, this is precisely what it is. I'm scared to get sick and suffer. That's what everyone's always scared of. That's what we're scared of. But death, I think like, I think actually death is like, oh no. we're going to all be together.

Yeah. Like, mom, dad, I'm joining you when my time is up. You know what I mean? Right, right. But it's the like, what is going to make me die that scares me? Yeah, I always ask that question. Not to guests, but to friends. I'm like, if you could know the exact date you're going to die, would you want to know?

Oh. I don't think you would. Oh, my God. That just did something to me when you asked that. Think about it. Because if you do, then you're always thinking about that date and how do I prevent it? Like, if you know what happens, like, if I'll do this. So you start to live your life based on trying not to die on that day maybe.

And you might just become obsessed. I don't know that we're equipped to know those things. Yeah. It's just kind of, it's kind of a frightening thought. Like, wow. But you would know if somebody, I think I would want to know if like they said, okay, well, you're going to die when you're 92. You're going to be, it's going to be in your sleep and it's peaceful. Oh, great. I'm going to live my life. But then you then you go out and you start fucking making yourself doing unhealthy shit. And then you're like, then all of a sudden you die at 80 and you go to end up, like, he's like, well, you, you're fucked with it. Yes. You were supposed to die at 92, but you changed the course of how you were going to live.

You know? Exactly. Yeah. Wow. That's a great question, by the way. This show is sponsored by better help. If you're sitting there and you're thinking, you know, I don't need therapy. I don't need this.

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There's always this grounded feel about you and like this calmness that you bring. Yeah, I've always recognized that. And I always thought, is she just bad shit crazy behind closed doors? How is she so even keeled? And do you, have you been told that before? I have.

I have. How do you feel about that? Do you think it's a lie? I do. Are you a liar? I'm the worst liar. No, I think that, no, listen, here's what it is. I go through a little.

lot internally, I think, as we all do. But I do spend a lot of time reminding myself and like trying to breathe through stuff. Like it's a constant exercise. I tend to run a little anxious, which surprises people. But it's like inner stuff. But I do. I think, I don't know if you'll remember this or not, but you know, I'm a big meditator. And that's like huge for me. Really? Yeah. You can't. You can't. You can't. take a day off of that. I don't like to. And how long do you meditate?

22 minutes. I put a timer on. The two minutes are like to come out. Yeah. Yeah. So do you listen to music when you're doing it? You just, and what you do is transcendental. Yeah.

So it's sort of like your breath and there's like that magic word. Yeah. We'll call it lychim. Lechim. Yes. Lechim. You kind of say it in your head and almost in your breaths. And you let thoughts come in and just.

Just let them go. Exactly. They come in, they go. You start drifting off. You're thinking about something. You're like, oh, wait a minute. And that's okay. Just let it go.

Try to get to a place where there's no more noise. Correct. I get, I'm thinking you do it too? No, I used to. But maybe I should start doing it again. It's so good. I think it helps so many people. You know, Martin Scorsese does it.

He does it like three times a day. He'll go in his trailer. He says no one's disturbing me for 20 minutes. Wow. And he will meditate. I love that. I always describe it as just like very powerful and ultra gentle, you know. But over time, when I look at life and I look at all the years that I've been doing it, it's the consistent thing. And it has just helped so much through really crazy moments, you know? And like, I don't know, it just brings like a groundedness to my day. Some days, listen, some days are better than others. But, you know, it's kind of like working out, like when you can kind of take stock of your day and you're like, well, I've meditated today.

Right. I went to the gym and I've meditated today. Yeah. I did two really good things for myself today. I always say how important that is to like just, I try to tell my listeners, it's like, hey, look, if you just do one thing different every day, put one foot in front of the other, just like, whether it's, whatever it is, whether it's having a healthy drink or going for a walk or, or. or whatever. I'm like, there's a sense of accomplishment that really feels good for our confidence,

for our like respect for ourselves. And the more you get trapped in that, you know, that redundancy of just doing the same bad things over and over the bad habits. You get down on yourself. And it's easy or not easy to recognize why. But from the outside, you're like, maybe you should try doing something different.

Just a little something. Yeah. And so meditation is a big part of what you do. Yeah. And that really helps. Does your boyfriend do that? No. He doesn't.

How long have you been together? Oh, almost eight years. Eight years. Wow. Yeah. You always look so happy. Aw. Yeah, he's such a nice guy.

He's so nice. Really? He's great. Yeah, he's just a great human. He really is. I mean, is it just a perfect relationship? Are you getting fights? Are you kidding?

Of course. Are you a screamer? I'm not. It's a. But boy, yeah, when I get mad, I am mad. And I'm like a truck driver's mouth. Like, it's not pretty long. What the fuck?

I don't understand why you're doing this. Yeah. Yeah, it can get gnarly. I love like this. I saw the trailer. And you know what I got from it? I was watching it. I was just like, it felt sort of unsettling.

And I don't know what happens, but it felt like this is cool. The acting looked really, it really looked good. And that's the first thing I noticed. But it felt odd in a good way. I want to see what happens here. Yeah. I would love to get your take when you see it. How would you sum up the movie without giving it away?

I mean, first of all, it's an adult dramatic love story. It's not a Hollywood ending. Right. And it's confronting. I think you're right. Your instinct is right. It's a little uncomfortable. And it's about, you know,

you know, there's high school sweethearts who meet up in Malibu for a weekend. Cheaters. We come to see that they've been having an affair for many years. Right. And this is their last weekend together. They'd say. They say it's the last weekend we're going to do this and we've got to go on with their lives.

Yeah. And shit goes down. Shit goes down. Was it a complicated role for you? Yeah. Because you had to do probably every emotion. From love making to yelling to. Yeah.

Yeah. All of the things. Yeah. Yeah. It was really, you know, I was really scared before starting. I just was very, I knew that it was going to require a lot of vulnerability and feeling safe to do that. And John Asher, our director, was, he's so incredible.

Do you know, John? I don't. He would love him. Really? Yeah, I feel like you guys would love each other. He's just great. and he's he's so intelligent and like such a heart guy and he just was able to guide the ship and he created this safe space for us and Hayes you know Hayes.

I don't know him really well. Okay, but you've crossed paths before. Yes, that's his last name. Hayes MacArthur. Oh, Hayes MacArthur. Yeah, I'm sure I've met him. Maybe I'm just blank. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because you guys, you know, we've all been around. Yeah, we've all been around here, folks. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But, you know, and it was amazing because Hayes comes from like not only but a very dominant comedy background. So for him, this was a huge departure, but he also was able to sort of bring his levity to it. And it was. Make it more dynamic.

Yeah. So it's heavy and it's fun. Yes. It's all these different emotions. It's all the things. Yeah, because you have to have those layers. You have to have those layers. Of course.

Even the most toxic relationship, you've got to understand why they keep attracting each other. What is it? What is it? Yeah. It's either the sex, the chemistry. Right. Or it's, you know, memories. Yeah.

Knowing each other. Yeah. All the things. Nistalgia. Yeah. There's so much. It's history. I love the trailer too when he says, and how much for the boom box?

It's really important. I get this boom box because, you know, I want to play a mixtape for it. It's so funny mixed tapes. Right? I said, I remember I broke up. Well, this woman and I broke up and I tried to get her back and I sent her a mix CD, you know, and it was just like of all our, the places we went to and the songs that in each place. Yeah. Yeah.

She still has it. She said, we're friends. We're close friends now. And she's married with kids and all that. But she said she still has it. It's so beautiful. Yeah. And here's what the cheesy part is.

Are you ready? Yeah. I was the DJ to it. Like I DJed the CD. So I go, I know, you narrated. All right. Yeah, you know, so and so, this goes out to you. I remember being on the beach in Mexico.

Oh, I love that. And here, 22 minutes past the hour. Just kidding around. And I did it. And it was just like, you know, you might remember this one. This one goes, you know. Oh, that's so sweet. I want to hear it because I want to throw up.

after I hear it. You might not. You might actually really impress us out. I don't know. Look, you're more recognizable than I am. But like, I don't know that that's true. Well, do you think that people, do people come up to you a lot? Or is it one of those things where, like me, they'll be like, I, I know that.

That's an actor. What do you got? Right. I, yes. I mean, do people come up to me a lot? No. When people come up to me, they, it's always about a very specific movie, you know, whether it's entourage, whether it's Zohan. Though I will tell you, of late, the people that come up to me are like, thank you. Thank you for speaking up. Yeah. Yeah. That happens more often than

anything else. Do they get emotional? Yeah. Really? Like in the grocery store, I'll have like, women, typically women, men too, but typically women that'll come up to me and be like, I just want to tell you, thank you so much. Like you, you can't possibly know what this does for our community. And then they have like big tears in their eyes. And I'm like hugging them at the story. It's like tribe. It's like, oh, oh my God. Right. Yes. Of course. That means a lot to you. For sure. Because, you know, it feels like it's such an echo chamber and you're like, who, I mean, who is this doing anything for? But then you're like, no, actually it is.

That's the thing. It's like, you know, you take things for granted or you think that, you know, this isn't that big of a deal. But to other people, it affects their lives. And so, like, I had no idea that this podcast even affected anybody. I was just like, can I'm just talking to people? And I hope I'm being a good interviewer. And I hope they like the guest.

And then people are like, your interview with so and so, it just changed my life. I'm like, what are you talking about? It's like when they opened up about, you know, bipolar disorder. And then I started to understand like it's relatability. Yeah. It's seeing someone else talk about the things or hear them talk about the things that you've struggled with or you've dealt with because. And I guess the biggest thing is knowing you're not alone. 100%.

You know, I think that's what comes from. And you're so great at that. I mean, I know because, A, I've done your show and I've heard other interviews that you did, but you really, you just get to it in the most grounded real way. And that speaks to people. Well, I'm not always like that. Sometimes I don't, I'm not, I'm not always good. Trust me.

Ivy, are we always good at anything? Yeah, there's a lot of things I'm not good at. But, yeah, I think, and I think that gives us purpose. I think having something besides a career and things that you love and your boyfriend or whatever. and taking trips and family. That's all great. But if you don't have something that gives you purpose and, you know, could help another human being,

I think you're missing out on what life is really about. I could not have said it better myself. I find that. I find when I go to, I've got to go back, but I used to go to the Ronald McDonald House a lot. And, you know, with these kids that are, you know, going through leukemia and cancers and all. all this and then you know making them laugh and ordering pizzas and watching movies with them

and playing games and then i'd go out to my truck and i would once i sat in the car and closed the door i just started crying oh you know what i kept saying i remember crying once going you're so fucking lucky yeah you're so fucking lucky remember that you're so lucky be grateful you know these kids have to deal with that you know that to me that is the worst seeing children suffer. Oh, God. Yeah, it hits the jugular. Oh, my God.

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Lana Lang, I didn't know you were Lana Lang and Superman and Lois. I didn't really watch Superman and Lois, but I love Bitsy. Yes. And Tyler. I forgot. You forgot. I forgot. Yeah.

Yeah. You were Lana Lang. I was Lana Lane. Because I, you know, we're doing a Talkville rewatch podcast. Uh-huh. And Kristen Crook was our Lana Lane for how many years. For sure. Did you ever watch that?

I saw some of Smallville. Yeah. But I didn't. You could admit you didn't. No, no, but I'm admitting that I never watched it regularly. Yeah. But I was like wildly aware of that show. Are you kidding me?

Well, my question was like, did you do any research or did you just say, hey, like, with Lex Luthor, I just wanted to just go my own way. Right. Same. I didn't want to, I don't want anybody to influence me. Gene Hatman's brilliant. I'm not doing that. I'm just going to do it, make it real.

And hopefully I bring something to it. A hundred percent. Is that what you do? Absolutely. So you didn't get all flooded with, because social media can be crazy and like, that's not line online. They're insane. Yeah. Yeah.

In a great way. Yeah. But like sometimes it gets a little overwhelming. For sure. You got to tune out the noise. Yeah. How do you tune out the noise then? I just don't go on.

You don't go on? it. I mean, in that for specific things like that, like, you know, when I was working on Lana Lang, you know, I knew there was so much history with that role and so many people, you know, including your co-star who was, they was beloved in that role. And I was like, okay, I just got to do this justice in my own way. Because it's just got to, like, it's just got to be. That's the key. You got to. sort of make everything else disappear around you. I hit my mark.

I know my lines. I'm going to make it my own. I'm going to make it real. And hopefully people will like it. Yeah. That's all you can do. It's out of your control. I mean, the director can help you a little bit on what they want and the editing and everything put together.

But at the end of the day, once you walk off set, it's not yours anymore. Yeah. It's not yours to control. Exactly. How did you feel about how you played Lana? And did you enjoy your time? I loved it. I had a great time. You know, it was a very complicated time because we were up there during COVID. We were up there shooting COVID. It was such a nightmare, man. Like we, it was really a tough time. And, you know, it's just all this stuff of shooting a show at the height of the pandemic, which was getting tested and not being able to be together, not being able to travel, blah, blah, blah. It was just a nightmare. Despite the nightmare, working was.

fantastic. And you know, our cast was amazing. Who were you closest with? You know, probably Tyler, Sophia, and Wollay. Yeah. You worked with them mostly. And I worked with Bitsy, too. I just, for some reason,

like Sophia, you know, Tyler, I don't get to see him so often, but Sophia, I see whenever I can. And Wollet as well. It's just, you know, it's just one of those things. Bitsy was so busy, right? She was working. Bidsey, busy, Bitsy? And busy Bitsy, Bitsy.

she was working every day with Ty. So you know, you know how it is on the show. It's like you kind of pawed off. You have to sort of just hyper focus with you're in every scene. Yes. You know. For sure. And I'm mad respect for that.

But like so these days, you know, and our showrunner Todd, Todd Helbing, you know, he's become a really dear friend. Helbing? Helbing. Yes. Helbing. Have you met him? No.

Yes, you have. I'll tell you why. Helbing. Christy Korsick's birthday. Love Christy. Yeah. Who doesn't love Christy? Who does not love Christy?

I'll tell you, she has the biggest heart. Her and Norby are her husband. Unbelievable. I mean, they're the nicest. I know. They check in with me about my neck and they just like, they're just always like, what could we bring you? So sweet those too.

They're just always so cool. And so, you know what? I wish I was that. I try, I aspire to be more positive because I'm not always positive. I can easily sit there and watch TV and go, oh, what the fuck is this? Oh, God, this sucks. Who's that? Oh, my God.

What are they doing? Like, you know, I was in a sudden, I stopped myself to stop. Let's pick three nice things we like about this. Okay, the title. Title was a good title. So I'm trying to do that now where I stop myself and I go, okay, let's do three positive things. Right.

Let's be positive here. Right. Because you could easily go down that negative. Are you like, when you watch something, are you kind of judgmental? because as actors, it's different watching a TV show or a movie than it is just Joe Blow. Oh, for sure. Like my friends watching the Midwest are, oh, this show's awesome, but we pick it apart because we knew everything. Do you do that?

Yeah. I totally do that. And also, too, I think it's a little bit like, you know, it's like that question that people ask, like, do you watch your own work or no? And it's like, I feel like all the things that I choose to watch, I'm. learning. And I'm like, okay, this works, this doesn't. This is what I would love, this is what I dream to do. This is what I absolutely don't dream to do. It's all information. And I feel the same way about watching ourselves. Like personally, I need to watch what I've done. I need to pick it apart. I need to know, okay, that works. Wow, that doesn't work. Yeah. It helps me. Yeah, I just had to do that.

I had to watch a rough cut in my buddy's movie. And, you know, I mean, beginning. That you were in? No. Okay. No. I wouldn't. Well, if you did.

No, I'm very, but I'm very honest. And the key is start out with positives. This is what I like. This is what I like. This is what I like. This has to change, buddy. This part, you got to fix. Yeah.

And here's why I think you got to fix it. Yeah. I'm very direct. But that's amazing. But also, too, I think it's a real gift. I mean this. Sam, my boyfriend, he's really. really good at this. I think it's amazing to be able to critique something intelligently.

You know, like he can really do that. I can easily get lost in something and really enjoy it for its entertainment potential. Okay. And then he'll be like, yeah, but what about da-da-da-da? And I'll be like, wow, didn't think about it. But now that you bring it up, I see what you're saying. But if you didn't bring it up, then you weren't thinking about it. So you don't need to know about it. If you enjoyed it, you know, I enjoyed it. I was watching a movie the other night and it's called Apex. Oh yeah. I just came out with Charlize there.

I watched it. Yeah. Well, let me tell you something. For what it was, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Oh, yeah. It was fast-paced. It was dangerous. It was acting was good.

Overall, I was like, I enjoy it. And I didn't pick it apart. Right. But my movie night guys, a couple of them picked it apart. I'm like, dude, that wasn't entertaining. How was that not entertaining? so I can do it. Yeah.

You know, where we're like, I don't shit on everything. Right. I love the pit. Yeah. You watch the pit? No, I don't.

What do you watch that's good? I wish I did. I mean, meaning I want to. What do you watch that's good? Did you see? Besides a love like this. Is it out?

When has it come out? It's out now. Yes. Watch it. See? A love like this. Thank you. That's a song.

A love like this. You can fire rented. A love like this is love that's hard to find. Yes. Who sings that? Chicago. It's actually a love like ours. Not like a love like this.

Anyway, go ahead. Did you see the beast in me? I think. It was Claire Daines and Reese. No. Matthew Reese. Well, he was on the offering or the offer? He was in the Americans.

I didn't see that. Oh. So I was late to the game and I just finished the American. I'm really tough. Yo. It's amazing. The Americans. And beast within?

It's so intelligent. Or beast like me. The beast in me. In me. The beast in me. The beast in me. It's good? Oh my God.

You know what I liked is the one where it's her fault or her fault it's called? With the woman from. All her fault? From succession. Is it? That's what that was pretty good That was pretty good It was a little bit

She was too much She's good She's good She is incredible Yeah Did you watch baby reindeer Loved it Baby reindeer's great

And an adolescent I didn't watch that The first episode Everybody loves it And I was just like Okay it's a oneer But like No no besides that

I think if you watch Should I watch the whole thing It's a must All right We write that down too It's a must I'll watch it I'll watch it

I like documentaries and horror movies. It's supposed to be a good horror month coming out with horror movies. Oh, yeah. Are you a horror fan? I like horror. Yeah. It's fun to watch. That's all I kind of write right now.

Oh, yeah? Yeah, I just wrote a horror movie. Oh, my God. Like, when you say horror, you mean gore or psychological thriller? This one's more thriller, horror, psychological, all of that. Cool. It's sort of like, it follows meets weapons. Do you see weapons?

No. Should I? Dude, weapons will blow your mind. Oh my God. I'm going to tell Sam that. Weapons will shock you. Can you text me that? You're going to look like two hours from ago.

Weapons, what is he talking about? No, I'm sure that's for someone else. Look, you've worked in everything from like comedy, right, to drama, spiritual projects. What actually excites you now? Like, what pulls you in at this point in your career? Like, when you read a script, what's going to get you to do it? Such a good question. I think that at this point, you know, I read something and just the story, just the script alone is just like, is this shit and I'm just trying to make it better?

Or is this like, wow, I was riveted. And that's a tall order. I mean, there are some stuff, I swear to God, I'm shocked that is being made. Dude. Like it's wild. And so I feel. Yeah. And then they're not buying.

Oh yeah. They're not looking for that. Right. You're not looking for that, but they're looking for this piece of shit. Yes. You're like, wait. Like I'm not being a dick. This is shit.

No, no. A hundred percent. Like, have we just become so dumb? I don't know. But. Yes. So it is, there is that. And I think that the genre is so many things, whether it's a great comedy.

It's like, you know what genre. genre though really speaks to me. I gotta be honest. Like I love a political thriller. Ooh, political thriller. Like I do. I love it. You know, which I think is why I was like bowled over by the Americans because it's like it's smart. It's it's reminiscent of like things that are happening in our world. Does it take a place over time? Does take a time? So big events. Big events. Like Watergate? Ish, but like, you know, the Americans takes place, I guess it starts in the 70s, I think, and then goes into the 80s. Carrie Russell, her character in it, this is what really is attractive to me. When you get to a certain age as an actor, you're like, oh, great.

So the mom is it? And it's like, no. Or like the lawyer and being stuck in a courtroom or the cop and you're like, you're like, you're like, you know what I mean? Right. This was so cool because it's like she's, it's reimagined every episode and she's got a, you know, she's like, she's undercover KGB. Like, so it's wild. And I was like, oh, that's so attractive to me. Does she have an accent?

No. But you don't care. No, no, no, no. It works. She's not supposed to. Oh. Yeah. Well, undercover KGB.

Yeah, meaning undercover in America. Oh. Yeah. It's a trip. I felt Russia when I hear KGB. Is that wrong? Yeah, no, that's right. Yeah, right.

So, but it's just like her character. So she's a mom, but she's also a spy, and she's doing crazy shit. And I was like, oh, that's what I want. I want to do, I don't want to be, I mean, does any actor, I still want to be pigeonholed. And I'm just not ready to succumb to just being like the boring side character. Did you feel pigeonholed with Sloan at all? I mean, there's such an iconic character. It's so

It was so iconic Such a blessing Was there a moment where you felt boxed in Yeah for sure When it was over For sure Really that's what they They looked at you

And like oh yeah Entourage girl For sure Really And it was just being the like You know I don't know It sounds so

Egotistical to say But it was just like The hot girlfriend And you're like Really Like come on guys Yeah At least remember my name

You can do a lot I can do a lot More than that Yeah So in that it was for sure being boxing and I had to say a lot of nose. But then, you know, I still think it was a bigger gift than a curse. Yeah, of course.

I mean, you made good money. You got in the public eye. People appreciated it. It was a hit show. You know, you made money. Did I already say that part? Yeah, you did. You know, and you're able to make a love like this and you're probably able to do movies

and things because of your fame from that too. Yeah. For sure. We want to hire you. Yeah. Especially on the independent. world is it's really nice to know that. Are you a darling?

Are you an indie darling? I mean, I wish I was an indie darling. You're an indie darling. I'd be happy to be an indie darling. Let me tell you. But it is, it's nice to know that over the years, I've worked hard enough that doing an indie film or getting some financing for an indie film that my name helps. That's like, yes, great.

Yeah. Making strides. Yeah, that's what you want. Or if you want to make your own movie, you know. Okay, I got to be honest. The Patreon community we've built is one of the things I'm most proud of on this show. There's no doubt about it. It's not just extra content, even though we've got great bonus episodes, early clips, Q&As, and some new segments in the works.

It's the people. It's honestly the people, the community. If you've ever wanted to be more a part of what we're doing here, this is how. Patreon.com slash inside of you. Five bucks a month? Come on. Check it out. Did you ever feel like there was a period in your career where you, like, I don't know.

like quietly struggled, but people didn't know you were struggling, that you were just going through a tough time and really tough time, but you were able to put on this, like, false bravado or this sense that everything's okay, but it wasn't. Oh, my God. Like 50% of the time. Really? Yeah. Like what? Can you even talk about it? But does that even surprise you? Everybody goes through some horrible thing in their lives. We go through, you know, life ebbs and flows. But yes, there's been like it scares me though it scares me of being on something not drugs but on a show and something god forbid kind of hurrah doesn't happen but like something happen where it's life changing and tragic i i don't know if i can manage it right so i guess my question is

what did you go through if you even want to say or or or both how did you get through it You know, yes, and I would say the first one that comes to mind, though there have been many, the first one that comes to mind was shooting Superman and Lewis up in Vancouver. Like I said, it was a really difficult time. Added to the pandemic, my manager, who was also like one of my dearest friends over the course of 20 years, took his life. while I was shooting. And already I was in such a place, like, really struggling, like, hardcore, like mental health. Like, honestly, I mean, God bless Todd, the showrunner, after the first season, I really, I was like, I don't know that I can continue doing this.

I don't know that I can be stuck up here in this gray and rainy place being not allowed to cross the border, being in these. Like, I just don't know that I have the bandwidth for that. I just. You're honest. I was struggling. And I mean, to the point where I didn't even know that I could struggle so badly with depression and anxiety. I didn't know. I've never had that before.

And it was fucking real. Like, terrifyingly so. Yeah. And, like, looking back is just, it's so, it's really bittersweet, you know. And like, and yet you go, oh, my God, but you're shooting this show. At a time when nobody was working, blah, blah, blah. And you're like, yeah. And there were moments where I would have happily trained.

it in happily. Because you were that low. Nothing. It's funny when depression or anxiety hits, like it hinders you. Oh, it's debilitating. Debilitating to the point where, and not only debilitating, exhausting. Like you are 10 times more tired when you're dealing with anxiety. Your body is in fight or flight and these thoughts and you're just up there and your friends

aren't near you. And you're, you know, it's just like. And you're doing this. And people are like, you should be grateful. You're making a lot of money. You're this. It's not that you're not grateful. But you're a human being going through tough times.

And you're having a tough time. We all have these times. And there's a breaking point. And when you talk to Josh, he was the showrunner, Josh, was his name? Todd. Todd. Did he let you say okay? He was amazing.

So you didn't do another season. I did. You did. I ended up doing all four seasons. So what did he do? What do you say? Well, make it easier for you? I think that he,

I think the fact that he was so compassionate and understanding. Did you cry to him? Like crazy. We laugh about this today. I'm like, Ty. You hysterical. How did you not think I was a complete mental patient? Like, I was so not myself.

And he was like, are you kidding? He goes, I felt so bad for my cast. He's like, I knew you guys were all struggling. He was like, he's just such a stellar. human and I just was, I felt so safe with him. I was able to be so vulnerable. Most people, most showrunners or people in the business or any business are looking at you and thinking, all right, I've got to fix it. I got to make sure she works because we need her and this is a, it's a business. But he went against the grain. He was different. He actually was compassionate.

it beyond and was like I get it and I'll help you I'm here for you yeah he literally he was like whatever whatever you need to do I will understand and it was it was it was really it was remarkable and thank God you know thank God that I somehow found the strength to get through it all because again such a gift such a good and things get better don't they they See, that's what I think the biggest, the biggest fear people have is this is where I am. This is where I'll always be. It doesn't get better. I don't need to be here.

And they go down this dark, you know, whole rabbit hole. And there is a way out. There's always a light at the end of the tunnel. Always. No matter how dark it's getting, it's life. Life isn't just, you know, just laughter and great memories and having fun. It's that and deep horrible shit that you go through. That's life.

And is, by the way, it's the most character-building things. It absolutely makes you stronger. It doesn't kill you. For sure. And I also think that there is a real, like we can't be so delusional as to think that it's all roses, right? to your point. It's not. And I think that there's something very powerful in, you know, whatever it is in your prayer and your meditation and your thoughts and your journaling is that, like, I'm grateful for all of it, like the good and the bad, because it is, it's, it's, it's,

it's who we are and how we get through life and then what we're able to share, whether we're leading by example, you know, whether just to know, like, fuck, man, I'm so much stronger than I even gave myself credit for. Yeah. You know? And I think that all of these things in a life make this incredible kaleidoscope than just the sun. Yeah. Right? No, it makes life better when you, when you achieve things, when you you don't let something get in your way. Yeah. You don't let fear get in the way.

Yes, that's a big one. You listen. You be kind. It's a constant learning curve. For sure. So the day you die probably. And the tough things. And that like in the moment that the tough things happen and that you're like jarred or whatever, that in that very moment you take a breath and you're like,

huh what is the lesson here this isn't a random this is not by accident so what is it and like showing up for it i think that that also like can i think can kind of temper how bad it feels yeah and you don't see it it's hard to see it when you're really in it deep deep yeah you know for sure you know but it's funny, I've noticed things about myself where it's not that I don't care anymore, but in a lot of ways, I've sort of, I don't let things affect me as much as they used to. Yeah. Like rejection. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody's, you know, I don't get a call back or they don't want to see me or they don't want to cast me or whatever. I go, oh, and I'm done. I'm done. I really don't let it, it doesn't, There's some things that might, you know, I think about for maybe a few days or a week after,

but nothing that's like, man, fuck. Like, I keep, how do you deal, how has rejection changed for you, the way you perceive it or the way you feel like over the years from when you were in your 20s rejected now? Night and day. Well, how were you then? Totally. Got it. Got it.

Got it. Got it. On the floor. Like, that's it. Life is over. This is never happening. My careers are aware. It's because I'm not pretty.

I know it. All the things. You think about blonde. Yeah. I don't fit into that square. But I think the beautiful thing is age, man. It is, it's like with age comes wisdom, comes experience. We can look back at our history and be like, I know this.

I know this. Yeah. History has taught me that. Okay, I really wanted that. That would have been fucking awesome. I could almost taste it. I'm disappointed. And I know that there's something else.

Yep. Hey, what do I always say? If you can't control it, if you can't change it, shelve it. Shelve it. Shelve it. And I didn't get cast. Can you change that?

Can you control that now? shelve it. Yeah. Doesn't serve me any good. Yeah. Any purpose. I think the one thing that's difficult present day is that, again, some days are better than others, but when you really care about something and then it doesn't go your way,

there is that feeling of like, fuck, man, what does it take? What is it? Do you know, for me, honestly. like all I want to do, I think most of the time is just like, I just want to take a nap. Yes. I'm telling you a fucking nap will cure everything. I'm such an effort. Like in the middle of the day.

Luxurious. I'm going upstairs. Yeah. And I'm just going to lie there. Whether I fall asleep or not, I'm just going to lie down. And I always feel so much better. Yeah. It's such a gift.

It's such a good feeling. It's such a good feeling. A feeling to know, Mr. Rogers, that I'll be back when the day is through. And I'll have more important things to share with your something. So good. But you know, not everybody can nap. Some people wake up and their serotonin levels are whacked. They're like, for me, I swear about them.

20 minutes. Tops. I can nap for an hour. Fucking hour, dude. I'm out. I was out yesterday. I'm going to be out today. But also you are recuperating, which is really nice.

Yeah, I'm recuperating with the next surgery shit. This is shit talking with Emmanuel Shrieky. I said that right, right? Perfectly. People fuck that up constantly. Rosenbaum. It's really Rosenbaum. Yeah.

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My definition of a hero is somebody who is never afraid to speak their truth, no matter of it's being thrown at them. Yeah. You know, that's really good. That's a tough one. That's good. I'm trying to think of where I'd say a hero. someone who is as close to altruism as you can get.

Someone who, when the cameras aren't rolling, they're still doing kind acts, not because people could see them, but just to do them. Amen. I love that. Chikidney. Do you think you're closer to what you want to be

or still figuring that out? Both. Yeah. Closer to what I want to be. Yeah. Definitely still figuring it out. Do you think I still act forever until you're old and gray or you ever retire? I love it.

I love it. I love it. What do you love about it? The feeling I get jazzed. I get excited. You get nervous too? Yes. Oh my God.

Not sleeping the day before. Being immersed in something, the community, the feeling of like we are in a way, like our own society. Yeah. It's a little team. It's a little team. The crew. friends, you've come to your friends and family? Yeah, yeah. What is this, Bob Nudson? Bobby, he's from New York. Bobby. Comic books have been referenced as the mythology of today.

Did you have any concerns taking on the role of Lana? We kind of talked about that. Right, we did talk about it. I mean, you know, but you didn't really care. You just, no, no. Bob, she didn't give a shit. She's trying to tell you. Linda M. What do you need most in life right now? Love. Yeah, love. I mean, you know, compassion, right? Yeah. Wait, that is such a good question. Like in this, what do I need most in life right now? Gentleness. Gentleness to myself and being gentle with myself and also just requiring gentleness around me.

Patience. Patience. I like people being patient with me. Patience. Don't you like people being patient, Ryan? Yes. I did. Ryan nodded. Taylor R. What stood out to you? Well, we kind of answered that. So, you know, Taylor, what stood out to you when preparing for the role of Lana Lang? But did anything stand out? Did anything stand out? Did anything stood out? I'll tell you, I'll tell you what really stood out to me. Is that after my initial meeting with Todd, the showrunner for the role, he had said, he said, you know, we're not,

making a superhero show. He said, we are exploring what the ordinary, that extraordinary people can do. And I thought, like, yeah, that. So that always was in my head. Yeah. Right? In the small town, the mayor, ta-da-da, all the things. Also knowing about Superman and all the things, it was just like,

Yeah, let's just do that with like absolute conviction and authenticity as much as possible. Yeah. I like that. Do you feel like the industry has gotten better for women since you started or different? I think it's gotten better. I think it has. I'm only pausing. Yes, it is, it has gotten better. For sure, it has gotten better. I think it's also much. kinder to women of a certain age now more than ever. I think that the business is in the crapper right now. Yeah. Everyone can attest to that. I think everyone can attest to that. But that's a different conversation. Yes, it is better now than it was before. But it's still evolving. It's evolving. It's evolving. It continues to need to do so. Majorly. Yeah. What is the most? to Hollywood moment you've had where you just thought this is insane. Like it could be like,

was it maybe an entourage moment in real life? Was it a date where it was like, oh my God, this is so entourage? Or this is, or just a Hollywood moment, you're like, oh, my God, this is so Hollywood. And maybe you loved it or maybe you're like, oh my God. You know, I'll just tell you what, this is actually really funny. So if my best friend and I, we threw a birthday party, a joint birthday party. So it was my 50th and it was her 45th. And we decided to go old school. Like the DJ was spinning like 90s, early 2000s hip hop and R&B. It was a fucking party. Like we were back at Joseph's and, you know, and we invited it.

It was really nostalgic. And at one point, at one point we had like shots and distributed throughout the whole party. It was like whatever, 250 people. My family flew and everybody was there. And it was like everybody. And the DJ was like, yo, yo, yo. Like, that's it.

Like, Janet M. Happy birthday. And we're like sitting there. We're like looking out at everybody. And we're like doing shots. And I'm laughing. Hollywood. I was laughing.

I literally, I like lean over to her. And I was like, who the fuck are we right now? You know what, though? Sometimes it's good to go. Oh, my God. This is so Hollywood. And I don't give a fuck. It's great.

And, and I don't give a fuck. It's great. I love it. Yeah. You know, I've been in the situations where I'm like, fucking Hollywood. I mean, dude, I could tell you stories that would just blow your mind. Oh, yeah. The stories I have.

I'm definitely going to write a book. As you should. But I got to wait until my parents die first. As to not shock them. Well, they would not like it. No, I don't know. But, you know, but I have so many stories. I mean, good. I mean, I live with Carrie Fisher at her house in one of her bungalows for almost four months.

What? Yeah. I was going through a tough time. I was like getting into drinking and stuff like that. And I was staying at the Mondrian. We became friends because her daughter wanted a picture of Lex Luthor and I wanted a picture of her and her return of the Jedi costume, you know, as Princess Leia. And she put, she signed it to to Michael, blow me, Carrie. And we just hit it off and we started throwing party. together and she's like where where do you live i go oh i stay at the mandrae she goes oh my god why don't you just stay here in one of the bungalows i'm like for free she goes yeah i go how long she goes every long you want just buy me a gift at the end so in her uh living room when you walk into the house i i bought her and she was kept complaining about her skylight so i got her new skylight oh that's so nice but she she really took care of me she's like a mom i you know i told her one time i go you remind me so much my grandmother. She's like, oh, fuck you, Michael. I'm like, no, I didn't mean age. It's just like,

she had this open door policy where people just came in and like, it felt so comfortable, you know, and she was, she was amazing. That's so beautiful. Some of the stories I have there are just mind-boggling. Oh, they must be. But it's also to, you know, it's also to this acknowledgement of like, yes, it is so Hollywood. And

this is our life. This is our life. Sometimes it is Hollywood. Because it's Hollywood. And sometimes you have to. For better or worse. Not fight it. Just kind of go with it sometimes. Yeah.

Hey man. Yeah. You know? This has been great. I love talking to you. Same. And I'm really excited about a love like this. I really wanted to come to the screening, but I just had had neck surgery.

I know. But it looks really good. So check out the trailer and watch the movie. A love like this. Where could they watch it? Yeah. So it's wherever you buy or rent your movies. Really?

Yeah. It looks like you're in for a good one, too. It's a good journey. Yeah, you're excited. I am. I am. Good, good. You should be.

I am. I am. Yeah, you look great. Thank you. You know, it was, it was sexy and it was dark, and it was like, it was just fun. It just, it looked like, okay, this is a complicated relationship. Yes. What's going to happen?

Yeah. A love like this, please check it out. I mean, how do you not love her? You've got to check it out because she's just awesome. I hear the best. So support her, support a love like this. And was Ike Berenholtz, your moderator for a screening? No, he was supposed to.

And then I believe he got stuck in. How did that happen? He's a friend of Hayes. And he'd actually seen the movie and, you know, is really a champion of independent film. Yeah, indie films, baby. Indie films. But then we literally got Will McCormick, who's. Oh, yeah.

I mean, talk about. outstanding human. Yeah. Good energy. Good energy. So smart. And another one to champion like the little movie. And it was really great. And it really kind of like elevated the whole night. It was beautiful. This has been great. Thank you for coming back.

Will you come back again maybe in a year or so? I would love it. All right. You promise. Promise. All right. I'll see you later. Rees knows a thing or two about great combinations. Chocolate and peanut butter, obviously. But there's more than one way to

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