Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Ep 15: Karen Gillan

Episode Date: July 17, 2018

Karen Gillan (Jumanji, Guardians of the Galaxy, Doctor Who) discusses growing up in Scotland next to Loch Ness, writing a play called Scream: the Musical at ten years old, and where her self-confidence stemmed from. Then we bond over scary movies - she tells me about how everything she creates ends up being really dark and scary, the horror movie she just directed, and she sings me a traditional Scottish Gaelic song. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum, Rob. Michael. We have a great guest today. Who's our guest? I always say that, but I mean, I don't always say that, but I really mean it this time. You always say that you really mean it too. I think we have great guests every show. And this one in particular, Karen Gillen from all the Guardians of the Galaxy movies,

Jumanji, she's been in tons of things. And we have an affinity, both of us share, an affinity for horror movies. We had some great conversations. about horror she's a huge shining fan uh we talked about her just her goofiness and just making little videos and recordings as a kid and just being one of those creative minds and she uh she just directed a movie it was really a delight to talk to her she's just a really fun dynamic beautiful person inside and out she's a cool accent too she's a great accent and by the way guys we just want to give a throw out uh our new store with our mugs and our t-shirts is available a lot of

people have been asking about the inside of you merchandise and now we can get it rob where do they get it yeah just go to our website inside of you podcast.com yeah and check it out i think you'll really dig the stuff and uh and that's about it let's get inside of karen gillan it's my point of view you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum inside of you inside of you is inside of you is Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Karen Gillen, thank you for allowing them to be inside of you today. Of course. That's what we say to everybody.

Yeah, I figured that. You thought that was like an ongoing, you didn't think that was like a perverted thing I would just throw out there randomly, right? Well, had you not been sitting in front of a sign that says inside of you, I may have been a little more alarmed than I was. Can you say that again with your Scottish accent? Inside of you? Inside of you? Is that good? Wait, try again?

Inside of you? You went a little to Ireland Okay, so I Like here's what I learned When I was in college It wasn't a, you know It was a great college Western Kentucky University

You didn't have to have a high GPA to get in Okay Someone like me got in there So how smart do you have to be? Oh, come on, don't sell yourself short Appearances can be deceiving Well, we had a dialects course And so we had to do Scottish and Irish

And we didn't, I feel like we didn't work on them long enough Yeah, the Scottish one is particularly difficult Most people sound like fat bastard from Austin Powers, so at least you didn't go down that road. That's true. So what I remember is there's a thing called the lilt. The lilt. It's on the top of your mouth. And when you're throwing it forward, so is that more Irish, right? When you're speaking when you're throwing it? You do sound a little Irish there. Yeah. In the back of your throat is more when you're speaking Scottish. Is that right? Yeah. Everything's like, right? So do you hate when Americans do that? No, because I'm really annoying and I'll always pretend to do an American accent for no apparent reason.

when I'm around America when I'm I don't know I'm too embarrassed No you can do it You can do it Wait I'm going to say inside of you in the American Ready? Yep Inside of you

That's really good Well you know I watched that movie Oculus I've watched a lot You never have an accent I don't remember you having an accent I'm American in that You're American in that It was it was no one would ever think

Oh my God she's Scottish Well that's good coming from an American Thank you I'm telling you the truth That one was a great crash course in American because I had to do a 10-minute monologue. So I may have covered, like, most words in the dictionary. Are you a quick learn? Can you look at something and just, like, know it?

I practice so much in a sort of OCD fashion that it becomes muscle memory by the time I'm doing it. How hard do you work? To learn it? Let's say you have, do you learn the scene the night before or do you like to learn it a week in advance? I learn it a few days before, so I'm not just crumming. all the work in at the last minute. And by the time I get to set in the morning, I don't even

look at the script and makeup or anything like that, because I've gone over it so many times. That's how I am. It's OCD. I definitely do that. Yes. And I get scared because I don't want to come to set and not have it down. Same. I don't want to do that to myself. It's, um, I see people really panic in the moment sometimes and I just, I'm like, why are you putting yourself through that? Just do the hard work before and then you just get to relax on the day. But what if they just throw new lines at you? Have you ever had that on the day of? Do you do you shit your pants? That's a saying. That's a saying. You don't actually shit your pants. But I don't know if they say that in Scottish. Do they say that in Scotland?

Did you shit your pants? I mean, maybe shite. Shite your pants. Yeah, that sounds pretty Scottish. This saying Irish or Scottish, you have a sheep stealing, hoorin bastard? That sounds pretty Scottish. Is that something you would say? Sheep stealing, sheep stealing.

Sheep stealing? Yeah. Hoorin bastard? Hoorin, like a whir? Like a whore. Is that what's something said that once in a? I didn't understand them. Yeah, we call whores, whirers.

Have you ever called someone a whore? I haven't. Have you ever been called a whore? No, I've heard a boy call a girl a hoor in school once. He was like, you're a cheeky wee hooer. And I was like, I could hear you talk all day in this accent. It would have been a real disappointment if you came here and you're like, I'm preparing for something.

So I'm going to speak in an American accent. Yeah. Do you do every accent? Yeah. Like if I throw one at you. Oh, God. Okay. Japanese.

Oh, God, no. Well, you said you could do anything. Konichua. That's really good. What the hell? I don't really know what I said. I said something like, how you doing, asshole or something? I don't know.

Real? Can you do German, a German accent? Yeah. That's it. Is that it? Yeah. I always remember things. I'm not great with learning lines, but I always can hear someone's voice and kind of look at, like, this guy in Germany, you know, when I met him.

him, I met this guy. He picked me up in his car and he's like, Good morning, Mr. Rosenbaum. And I go, oh, how do I say I crap my pants in German? He's like, Michael, why do you want to know that? So I forced him in the teaching me these words. Like, I'm in the closing. And all the, it means, it means I made in my pants.

That's the second time. I'm going to say that in this podcast. Have I? Well, yeah, I feel like we're talking a lot about shitting. Well, no, that was before we rolled, right, Rob? No, you were talking about shenan. Oh, God. You're supposed to have my back.

By the way, Karen. Karen, that's Rob. Hi, Rob. He's, uh, my producer. He's 28 and he has a kid. I'm 29. He's, uh, he's married. 29 with a child.

Can you believe it? That's incredible. You're, you don't ask a woman her age, but do you want to have children? Of course. I'm 30. And of course. Yeah, I need some little ginger children running around. Don't you want some ginger children?

Oh, definitely. It's going to be hilarious. Would you be a good mom? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I feel like I would definitely be good at playing with the kids, like being one of them. Were the kids like horror movies? Would they be a good at?

Would they be forced to watch horror movies? Yeah, they're going to be watching The Exorcist. Maybe that's how I'm going to start them off. Well, we met at a convention. Yeah. And they did a panel, right? Mm-hmm. And I had heard about you through James Gunn, who directed Guardians.

And I heard about you through Sean and, like, a few people. And they're like, she's just lovely and great and so funny. And, you know, I didn't know you. And then you started talking immediately about what a horror movie fan you are. And I had never really met you. I didn't know you, really. And that was the coolest thing someone could say is when they love horror movies. Great.

Yeah. Horror movies are their best. Why did you get in horror movies? I don't know. I feel like those were the first films I ever really got into in my life. I loved all the sort of 90s process of elimination teen slasher movies. Like what? I know what you did last summer.

Still know what you did last summer. I just interviewed Jennifer Love Hewitt. What? Yeah, she was in the pocket. Did she sit where I'm sitting? She sat right there and we cried together. She was so emotional in an awesome way. She cried.

Look, on this show, sometimes people connect in a way. Wow. Look, I hope I don't make you cry today. I'm feeling like I want to cry now Well if you could top that cry It was a pretty good very cathartic moment between two human beings It was just like you know

Life sometimes kicks you in the ass You know you're younger than me You just nodded Like yeah I'm aware of this I'm looking at you No I don't know what to say to that She was in I know what you did last summer And I got a movie right after that called Urban Legends

So we followed on scream And we were like the third of those movies that came out so we weren't the first but they were fun they were amazing the joys want to be in one of those yeah i wanted to wander around a corridor and look scared and be like you know and jump at things um yeah i mean that's really selling it yeah big aspirations here but no i wanted to and then i got to do it in this film oculus yeah um and that was my first i really liked that movie thanks i did because it was i wasn't expecting much right you know it was oculus i didn't know You know, you just don't, I don't, look, I think you do this too.

There's so many horror movies. There's so many movies that you don't have high expectations when you go into a movie. No, I mean, not always. It depends on what the filmmaker has done before, obviously. That's true. And I hadn't seen any of his movies. Well, no, no, because it was one of his first. There you go.

And then I saw the style, the way he moved the camera. The story was complex. The characters were complex. Yeah, he's great. And you talk about that monologue. I remember you had like a, how many pages was that? I don't know how many pages it was. but it was 10 minutes.

So maybe like 13 pages or something. Did you mess up on the first take? You know what? I went so crazy with it that I was able to get through the whole thing from start to finish. And it was the hardest thing I've ever done as an actor because it was,

there was no emotional logic to really help you remember it. It was just dates and names, which is just the hardest to memorize. But I just went mental with it and broke my brain and couldn't memorize it. Were you like scared to do it? Yeah, I think that was what drove me

to work so hard to memorize it. It was born out of fear. And did you say to the director, the first thing I would say if I saw this monologue is you're not changing any of this, right? Oh, I didn't even think of that. Could you imagine if you got out there goes, hey, we changed a few things around? There's just no way. You'd say fuck off.

Yeah, essentially. I mean, you'd try, maybe, but like to do it. But no, he told me that he needed me to get through it from start to finish. Oh, my God. In a oneer, which you'd never know from the edit, but it was a good exercise. And you did it on the first take. Pretty much. I must have been able to... Maybe we broke up a little, but I was able to definitely get through it.

Do you go to your trailer and go, fuck yeah, you're awesome. You did it. Do you ever give yourself that kind of applause? I don't know. Maybe if I'm happy with something when I'm watching it when it's on screen and it's finished, I'll be like, yeah, or never do that again. So, yeah, are you very hard on yourself? Is it more looks than acting, or do you not care about what you look like? Oh, well, no. I mean, I'm sure when I first started to see. see myself on screen. I was like, Jesus. What did you think? What were you thinking? I don't know. I think everybody has that experience when they hear their voice on an answer

phone or something. And they're like, do I really sound like that? I had that with my face. You had that with your face. Yeah. What did you like about your face? It's a nice face. Oh, well, thank you. I don't know. I think it just hadn't, I hadn't really seen it in that environment before from those angles. Rob, how do you feel when you look at your face in the morning? I feel fine. I feel okay with it. You always feel fine about everything. Oh my God.

Maybe you have some dark secret. Maybe. Do you remember Evil Dead 2? You do, right? No. You didn't see the movie Evil Dead 2 with Bruce Campbell? I haven't. There's a thing where he looks in the mirror and he goes,

You're fine. You're fine. And then his reflection chokes him. It comes out of the mirror and goes, you just chopped your girlfriend up in a million pieces. Does that sound fine? so good you don't remember you have to see that movie you're a harm movie yeah no i do need to see but rob's always i envy rob i think i harass him and i fuck with him because he does he's so

mild mannered he's so even keeled he's so you know it wasn't until the jennifer love hewitt episode where i realized he's got a little sadness oh my god rob what's up well i said the jennifer i said she said she doesn't love herself and i was like oh my god and that's how it started And I go, well, you know, I don't think I love myself. I have moments of like. And then I go, Rob, and it took him a while. I go, do you love yourself? And he just goes, no.

And it almost made me cry. I thought for sure, this guy fucking loves himself. Guys, why don't you love yourselves? Well, you love yourself. Yeah. Why do you love yourself? I feel pretty like I have a, like, self-worth, you know? Probably because of my upbringing.

I think it always goes back to that. I think it always goes back to that. That's a good point. So talk to me about. Iverness? Inverness. I don't know. It was close.

Why did I mess that up? Because it's a random Scottish town that you shouldn't even know about. I should know about. But there's Inverness is... Yeah, I grew up in a town next to it invernous in Illinois. What? Yes, there's one in America as well. So what was it like growing up there?

It's kind of like a small rural place to grow up. I grew up next to Loch Ness of Loch Ness Monster fame. Did you ever go? looking for, yeah, Lake Loch Ness, did you ever go looking for the, you did as a kid? Oh, yeah. You believe, did your parents try to make you believe that this is real? I don't know if they tried, but it was just one of those things like a childhood sort of myth that you grow up believing and then have that day when you go, oh, it's not real, is it?

There's not enough fish in this body of water for it to live for one day. That doesn't make any sense. Right. But also, I don't want to ruin the tourism industry there. So, yeah, no, it's totally real. Is it beautiful there? It's so beautiful. Yeah, the landscape.

tapes, everything. Yeah, I miss it a lot. Yeah, I've never been to Scotland. I want to go to Scotland. I've been to Ireland. What did they film in Scotland? Outlander. Outlander. What else? What else did they? They shot train spotting. Train spotting. Legendary. Braveheart. Oh, yeah, brave heart. Freedom. All right. So your parents were cool. Yeah. Are they still together? Yeah, they're still together. See, my parents were together, but they shouldn't have been necessarily together. They were a very dysfunctional family. Rob parents are still together oh that's why he's fine that's why he's fine but so were they loving was your dad the kind of guy that said karen i love you or was he was he was he was kind of real tough scotsman well actually he's english so um that really banged that one up didn't i but no i mean yeah

no he was a very nice englishman um he's alive yeah he's alive i honestly don't know i used the past tense It scared me for a second. It scared me for a second. I thought you were going to start crying. Why are you talking? So he was just very supportive. Like what was growing up like? You know, he was just incredibly supportive and so was my mother. Like, you know, I remember, you know, because I'm from a place where like becoming an actor doesn't sound very plausible. It's not like growing up in Los Angeles where it's like, oh yeah, you could do that for a career. It's like, what the hell? Where did that come from? So I remember I'm sitting with my father and looking at the TV screen and I was like, how do I get in there? How do I get in the TV? Yeah, like, I just wanted to, like, climb in and join in the fun. And then he, you know, he always tells that story. But they never shut it down, you know. They were always like, yeah, climb in there, do it. Like, do whatever you want with your life.

So how old? How old were you when you started doing stuff or, like, asking to do stuff? You know, there's this movie called Loch Ness, starring Ted Danson about the Loch Ness monster. And they started to do auditions when I was about, like, seven or something in Inverness, looking for a little seven-year-old red-headed girl. come on i was like oh my god i'm that girl but i'm too scared to audition so i didn't go you would have got it maybe what could have changed your life you don't you think it's all

about fate destiny it's like the things you do do you believe in that stuff oh definitely yeah but you didn't do it i didn't that's the one and only time in my life where i think i've like chickened out from something that i'm scared of i think i learned a valuable lesson from that yeah but you don't chicken out like do you ever have you ever chickened out for an audition or something you're like I just can't do this um not since then not since that not because I hated I hated the way it made me feel afterwards how did you feel I felt like disappointed in myself at how old you were seven yeah you're disappointed in yourself at seven yeah because I was like why didn't you face that you know you have to face your fears and so I've made a point of doing that

ever since really so nothing gets in your way if you never allow fear to get in your way well it does all the time but then ultimately you have to just do it anyway I mean I feel scared all the time and then you just have to power through did you was your were your mom and dad normal i mean i mean because you're so you're so normal i mean although you like some dark shit you know you like the horror you directed horror we talk about that but like did your mom have any anxiety was she was she a yeller was she calm she is a rowdy scottish woman so big temper shouts a lot laughs a lot everything's quite drinks a lot loves a good drink what does she drink vodka like straight no i mean she'll dilute it with a mixer isn't it amazing what like

americans think they're like scott scottish people they just drink straight liquor no no she doesn't do that does your dad drink not really no not a big drinker so not a lot of dysfunction not a lot of um well no they have a fair amount of arguments for sure still to this day but they sort of think they say that that's why they are still together because they're passionate still. Yeah, I think when you get, when there's a lot of fighting and then they sort of don't care about each other so much anymore and then the fighting stops, that's when you're in the dangerous territory. I think you're right. Now, do you remember your mom, was she like, how would she yell at you when you were younger? Just loudly. Like what? Give me a, give me a Mrs. Gillen sort of

Karen! Wow, that's the way you said Karen was like elongated. Yeah. Say it again. How's it? Karen Oh my God You're taking me back Rob, try it Do it Rob Try it Karen

No no No my God You get enunciated too much I mean No no Karen Having a Phil breakdown At hearing this

This is this is interesting So she But her voice would scare you But she wasn't ever one To give you a smack was she No No They were great

I mean, they definitely obviously disciplined me, as I think a lot of children benefit from, but nothing crazy. Were you a troublemaker? No, not really. I pushed the boundaries as much as every other kid does, I think, when you're testing to see how far you can push people. So I probably did that, but no, I was an only child, so I would just shut myself in my room and do a lot of stuff on my own. What was you, too? Oh, God. Were you a drawer?

Did you draw a lot? No, I had this karaoke machine and you could record, like you could record onto cassette tapes. So I would just record myself talking and doing different accents and singing into this thing. And I have just like so many tapes. You still have those tapes? Yeah. Like give me an example of something you might have said. You know, it's weird.

I need to listen to them again. But I was just talking. I was pretending to be in situations, acting, I guess. So you played different roles in these things. You were like, it was fantasy. You were like creating these worlds for yourself. And I did it all day, every day. It was insane.

So you were destined to be an actor. I think so. I definitely destined to be something creative. Would you share these tapes with your parents? Would I share, like at the time? The tapes. Yeah, like, hey, Mom. No, no.

Listen to this. No, it was just for me. Oh, my God, she needs therapy. Yeah. Karen, you need to see your therapist. Right? I mean, that's, you know, I used to do shit like that. I used to videotape everything.

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Free shipping and 365-day returns. Quince.com slash inside of you. And when was the first time you acted? acted in something you did something and you faced your fear that you didn't face when you were you didn't audition for that little that bit part on lotness and you said Karen it was no bit part it was a big part it was a big role right but you passed it up and so what was the next thing that came along that you didn't pass up I think I maybe did a little performance oh my god I'm now remembering what I did in primary school which is before high school

I wrote this play called Scream the Musical, which was based on Scream. You wrote a play? A musical. A musical called Scream the Musical. Yeah. How old? Ten? Ten. Oh, my God. I don't think I knew how to write. I couldn't do a cursive F at 10. Oh, my God. That, I mean, it was just an obsession with scream and the opportunity to perform somewhere.

So you wrote songs? Yeah, because, well, I played the piano since I was seven. So I was pretty musical. So, like, I was write these songs. They were so bad, though. Come on, let me hear it. Let me hear some, at least the lyrics. Honestly, okay, there's, this is the word.

This is great stuff. This is the stuff that I want to know. Ready? Yeah. Right, no, you need to turn away. All right. Close your eyes, Rob. Scream.

Bum, bum, scream. Bum, bum. Scream is good and wild. Oh, my God. I really did not expect to laugh. away. Scream is good and wild. And you wrote these lyrics.

Believe it or not. But you're 10 years old. This is like, this is amazing. How long is this was this musical? I don't know. It was maybe about 10 minutes or something. And that's how it all started. That's where all began.

Yeah, I guess so. And then what? You just fell in love with it? I got to keep doing this. I got to keep. Oh, yeah. They couldn't stop you. They couldn't slow you down.

Oh, yeah. No, after that. And so I, then what did I do? I just started auditioning for things in my high school, but I wouldn't get them. Why not? Because I think I was really shy as well as wanting to be an actress. I was incredibly shy. So that was a little bit of a contradiction, I think.

Were you popular? No. Were you always tall? Yeah. So at first, guys don't like the tall girls. Not at all. And then, all of a sudden, when they get older, like, oh, my gosh, tall's the best. It's definitely better being tall as an older person.

But I grew up in a time when maybe the ideal person to look like was Britney Spears. Who was 5'6. Who was 5.6, tanned, blonde. And I looked like a long string of white spaghetti. I don't believe it. Yeah. I mean, I still do. Well, you're just tall.

You're thin. You're a redhead. You're white. Well, you're lucky. You probably stay out of the sun, so you have less chance of getting a skin cancer. That is one plus. Yeah. Right?

Well, yeah, no, it's, um, it's had to be out in the sun too much. I wasn't picking my nose just then. I was scratching it. You looked at me like I was picking it, but I was, you did, right? I don't, I don't judge. You do, you don't pick your nose. You know what? Sometimes if there's something in there, yes, I will get it.

But you're not a public picker. No. No, you seem like you're very much a classy lady. But you have a goofy side because I've seen videos of you dancing like crazy. And so I think that you just like to let loose. and I think you always have, right? Now, my question is, is it hard to let loose now that you're number 24 on the star meter?

Am I number 24? We checked today. Rob, checked it out. 24. Well, that... I'll never be 24. You don't know that. If I get around 1,200, I'm very happy.

Okay, but this system is flawed because you could be involved in the biggest controversy of your career and be at number one. That's true. but you're not in any controversies. You're doing movies like Guardians of the Galaxy. One, two, three, Infinity Wars, Jamongi, Jamongi. I mean, it's just endless. You're number 24 for a reason.

If I was 24, somebody like, did Rosenbaum die today? Oh, no. He hit number 24. He must have died. I wouldn't even be number one. Oh, you don't know. He hit 24. God bless him.

He finally now. No, no, I don't. It's not about numbers. It's not about, see, it's not about, it's about loving yourself. It's not loving yourself because you're number 24. I have a feeling if you're 2,400, you'd probably still love yourself. Maybe a little less. Yeah, maybe.

What number are you, Michael? I don't even, did you look it up? I probably around, I don't know, 3,000. But do you think it's hard now that you're a big celebrity to be as goofy and like all these things that you want to be? I haven't really felt any restrictions in that respect. I feel like I've remained pretty, I mean, consistent. Did people recognize you? Not that much.

How often? Because you had a lot of makeup in Guardians of the Galaxy and all the Infinity War, so you're unrecognizable, really. Yeah, so it's rare that people will be like, oh my God, it's nebula. But Jamongi... Jamangy, yeah, has probably given me a little more recognition. Do you like that? Do you like recognition? I mean, yes and no.

I mean, I do like to kind of sink into the background because I'm sort of an introverted person, naturally, I would say. But there is something nice about people enjoying what you do, and it does feel like you're progressing in some way if somebody recognizes that. So it's a double-edged sword, really. And so you're doing, so you're getting to high school, you're starting to do plays and things. Yeah. And where did you go to high school? Inverness.

Inverness. But then you went to Conti, Italia. Oh, that's a drama school in London. That's where you went after. Yeah, so it was a university. And your parents were, was it hard to get into that? Pretty hard. I mean, it wasn't one of the top, top drama schools in London.

But they would take me under the legal age. So I was like, yeah, okay, I'll go. Did you look that number up? Yeah, you need a, you need a MDB to see it. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. So you're in the top 5,000. Oh, hey.

I mean, I knew that. I mean, if I get up to 5,000, I'll just, you know, have to get another job. I could, you know, keep myself at a certain. What's your IMDB login? I don't know. Just leave it alone. Leave it alone, Rob. But, like, I knew.

Here's the thing. When I was in college, when I made. that decision to be an actor it may sound egotistical that was a pick i picked my nose that time but when i when i said i'm going to new york i remember going i'm going to make it i'm good enough i know it it sounded cocky i remember being cocky yeah going i'm going to i'm going to make it i just know i have it did you go did you have that thought um yeah i definitely had like enough self-belief which i think is a huge ingredient um in most people that do sort of get there essentially um but yeah no i didn't die myself it's not in an egotistical way at all i was just like i'm a very hard worker and i think i

have what it takes to achieve this nothing scares you you'll do any project uh yeah within reason like i mean it has to be good in my opinion so is there one thing you wouldn't do like i don't think i would do nudity oh um yeah i would yeah i would oh you changed your mind really quickly well i thought about it like you know i can't lie if like somebody goes sotterberg or spielberg goes yeah Michael you'll be naked in this scene I'd probably say yeah would you do that it depends on the project and

if it's gratuitous or not but yeah I mean I'm from Scotland and I've watched a lot of European cinema so it doesn't seem that shocking to me yeah but would you shave your head I know yes you did that's what we have in common we both shaved her head I shaved for seven years

oh yeah your character was bald yeah it was bald do you have to shave even though I know that you did in the first one did every movie they have to shave you or just the first movie and that's it And then they gave me more hair with each movie, which I am eternally grateful for. Right?

Yes. Because that takes months and months to get hair. You can't really work, right? Unless you wear wigs. Well, I mean, they made a wig out of my own hair for me as a gift. Was it nice? It's one of the best made wigs ever. It was made on the Star Wars workshop when they were making the Force Awakens.

Really? Yeah, so they made my, they took every strand of hair and placed it into this wig for me and I still have it. I should have brought it. You could have put it on. I would have loved to have put it on I've worn wigs before Have you? Yeah, many

Yeah, I'm very comfortable Like you used to do you know You'd do things like in the tape recorder And tape yourself doing stupid things I would do that But I'd also like You know, wear wigs and pretend I'm someone Or play characters

And make little movies with my family Did you do that? Did you ever do a little movie with your family? Oh, totally, yeah I made this horror movie Where I murdered my father A therapist would have a field day with this But we had a very healthy relationship

He was just the person I wanted to cast Fully just killed him with a knife I did too I killed I had my brother No I had my brother kill everybody in the movie My brother was called the killer nerd And he was just killed his mom

He killed my grandma I killed my mom Oh wow Yeah and then he killed me And my grandma is laughing While she's dead but I didn't have enough tape left So you can see her going That's brilliant

Do you still have it? Yeah it's horrible You got to do a screening I want to edit it. I want to actually do it, make it as good as you can with music, like, score it and, like, really put it together. It's terrible. You should make a trailer of it as well. The killer nerd.

I think it's a great premise. Yeah. Maybe you should do the same thing with yours. Yeah. I don't remember what mine was called. I wore a blonde wig and I would go out at night and murder people. Do they ever say, Karen, Karen? Why did you, why do you do these, like, horror things and scary?

things is something we did what was it as a young youngster that you did they ever ask you that um no actually really yeah no and everything that i tried to create is really dark and disturbing and no one's ever brought it up well i saw conventional the short you did oh yeah that's the one where you go to the conventions and you kind of sell your soul and it's yeah that's dark shit i know you are dark but the thing is i don't set out to be dark it's not as if i'm like let's make something really dark i'm like let's just tell a story and it always comes out like that. I don't understand. I don't. But don't you think there's part of you that wants to shock people or surprise people? That is not the reason I'm doing that at all. No, it's not that calculated. You got just upset with me just now. I didn't. Even if I

draw something, it's like the scariest thing you'll ever see. Really? You draw scary things? I mean, I don't draw, but even if I did draw something, you'd be like, you know? Yeah. it's weird so you kind of like write things not for that but just because it comes to you and you go oh this would be really cool this would be cool and it's the stuff that i would like to watch as well you know yeah like i like to watch darker things and you just directed a movie yeah your first feature and were you the lead in it i was directing and acting is a very interesting experience i did that it's the hardest thing i've ever done yeah it's it's i honestly wanted to kill myself it was just too much it was in every scene how do you do it i just you're one of those people that i look at i'm like i don't want to be you because I couldn't be you because you have a certain amount of energy and you're so busy all the time and you're doing so much that I'm like, I couldn't do it. I can't do that much. I have to do one thing at a time. If it's a series and I'm doing a series, I can't mold it.

You fly to Atlanta to do this and then you go pickups to do that and you're doing this movie here and you're prepping for this. Your mind may just work for that. Well, it depends on like, you know, the best way for your brain to function is to not multitask, so you might be doing it right, I think. Do you get tired? All the time. I'm like one of those children that run around like,

and then I like crash and I'm like, I can't even move. Has that ever happened to you while you're working? You're on set and you're like, I can't do this. I'm always sleeping in my chair. Can you just fall asleep like that? Not really, but I'll have to like rest my eyes sometimes, yeah. Do you ever medicate yourself? No.

I didn't mean it was funny, but you know. Like sometimes I'll take a. half the Xanax to go to sleep. Oh, see, I actually don't take any medication for anything. You're 1527. 1527. I am D.B. Pro. 1527's not like, I mean, that's better than I thought it was. Right. There we go. So no medications, nothing to sleep. What about those nights where you're thinking of the next day? It's the first day. You have a big shoot, all this big scenes. And you're like, I have to sleep. And I can't because I'm so excited. I go to work having not slept. you've done that oh my god when i've played nebula i've done so many days with zero hours of sleep

zero yeah because sometimes i have to get up at like two or three in the morning and you're just not usually on that sleep pattern you know that's true so i'll just lie there and i'll be like please go to sleep but um no i just go to work and i just get through it i'd rather just get through it than start taking all the medications you meditate no do you work out Yes. What do you do? Pump the weights. Really?

Yep. You do what's called flies? Yeah. You do flies? I'll do a fly, yeah. You do push-ups? Push-ups, like press-ups on, like the... Ground.

The other version. Push-ups? No, yeah, no, the one where you, like, go on your knees. Oh, yeah. What do they call those? They used to call them girls push-ups, but you can't... I was going to say that, but you can't... No, but you can't say that anymore.

So I'm saying that that's not what they're call but they used to call them girls pushups till about two uh two months ago the modified pushups let's call it the modified pushups what are you writing rob i'm looking up what what they call i thought he was editing saying i'll edit that moment that sounds chauvinistic no i was just being um yeah so you like to do you do cardio i don't do a lot of cardio because i don't like it well you're thin like you don't need it no i want to like build the muscle so you want to yeah you're like me it's like you don't have a high metabolism so i want to build my must but i've had surgeries and stuff that you're you haven't had any kind of surgeries or ailments or anything.

No, not yet. Nothing. Nothing yet. Good for you. Knock on wood. Hit the frame behind you. There we go. That was more of a tap.

So with all this success, is it hard to say no? Do your agents kind of just like say, hey, there's this great opportunity? And did they ever say, hey, it's too much? Or you say it's too much. Like when is it too much? I think like, I don't know. I mean, yeah, I say no. all the time. Like, I'm not the type of person that needs to take every opportunity that comes

my way. I'm really selective. Do they try to convince you sometimes because it's a lot of money? Um, like, yeah, and not really, actually. They seem to be generally on the same page as me. Really? I'm trying to think of even a time when we've disagreed on something. I can't think of one. I'm going to ask this, but I guarantee I know the answer. You're going to say, never. Is that a good one? It was pretty good. Yeah. I think you're going to say never. Do you, now that you've become a big star. Has anyone ever asked you for money? Family. Family. I need money. You're making millions. I need your money. I need some help. No, not family, but friends, yes. And what do you say? Yes. Sometimes. Well, what's the most money you've given someone? I can't tell you that. Tell me,

was it over 100,000? No, God, no. Oh, well, then you're not an idiot like me. What? I have. No, you're You've not given someone over 100,000. Did you say 300,000? 100,000, yeah. What? I hope this was for a good reason. You know, it's like, look, I'm like, what's the word? Besides idiot, if that's what you're both thinking.

No, the word is naive. I give in, I feel badly. Right. When someone's in trouble and I get taken advantage of. Okay. So maybe you're just an empathetic person. Yeah, but it's stupid because, you know, my friend, And he's an actor, Dax, you know, Dax.

He's a good buddy. And I remember him saying, we had this conversation, I don't know what to do. And he's like, well, you know, buddy, I had a, you know, this person, my friend asked me for some money. And I said, yeah, I'll give you the money. But I just want you to know the issue. He's like, what's that? He goes, things are going to be different. Things are going to change.

He's like, what do you mean? He's like, there's no way to go around it. If I give you money, you're going to always be thinking, he gave me money. And I'm always going to be thinking, I gave him money, or I think he's thinking that I gave him money. And it just makes the dynamic and the friendship. It just alters it in some way that makes it different, not as special than when you borrow money. I'll be it family or friends or whatever. And I think there's truth to that.

I think there's always a weirdness. And there's a resentment. I think that there's definitely a shift in power dynamic because that person then owes you something. And you did that person of favor. And so it's slightly off-kiltre, maybe. But, like, to be honest, with my friend, it just hasn't made a blind bit of difference. And she took the money and started a business. And how's the business doing?

Great. It's thriving. Are you on the board? No. Do you own part of it? No. It was your money. I don't care.

You don't care. You just want to see her happy. I just want her to, yeah, have the opportunity to show her talents to the world. Well, that's nice. You're a genuine person. Thanks. Thanks. I love it.

Do you think you're the kind of person that if you see, stop being busy for a second. Like if you just said, I'm going to take a year off, you'd go insane. Yeah. I would just start writing something, writing a script. Really? Yeah. Because you have to be doing something all times.

I just have this weird thing. Yeah. I think there's some drive in me that comes from something. So, like, you know, I may be coming across as an incredibly stable person so far, but, like, there's definitely a drive within me that's seeking to medicate something. yeah so yeah that's probably my weird flaw so is that hard for like relationships you've been in relationships yeah is it hard to be in relationships when you're always working i mean that's why you hear about all these divorces and all these things because somebody's on this set somebody's on this set

i mean how hard is it to have a stable life i mean i'm asking you because you're you're way busier than i i think i've ever been yeah it's really difficult the long distance thing is really difficult i mean you're just not present in each other's lives for so much of the time so what do you do I don't know do you try to make it like I'll see you every other week and we have to see each other at least every other weekend I mean I've never really had a sort of a formula for that

but I do think maybe a two week rule or something is quite healthy right to remember what each other you know smells like and looks like yeah I guess it's easier when you don't see each other to say hey let's just this isn't working because you don't see them like a three weeks or four weeks Yeah.

Is it easier? It's easier to break up because it's like almost like you're, there's so much separation. It's not like you're living with someone. It's not like you're constantly with someone. Have you ever lived with someone? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I don't know.

Maybe it's easier to break. I don't know. I think there's just more of a reason to break up rather than making it easier. I think they're always horrible. What's the biggest like game changer? The biggest thing that like for you is important in a relationship. Making each other laugh. number one right isn't that funny yeah well i think like if you really are going to stay together

forever and that is my view on marriage because of my parents unless you shouldn't be together in which case i totally support divorce i would say like love probably comes and goes and attraction certainly fades and you just need to make each other laugh at the end of the day isn't that something that's why it's amazing rob and his wife have been together so long how is there a lot of fun in there is there a lot of comedy yeah do you laugh a lot what do you laugh about up. I don't know. I think specifically jokes. This is what I have to deal with. This is what I have to deal with jokes. We laugh at our baby. Oh, that's good. It is. You have a good sense of humor. I think that's true. I think you do have a good sense of humor.

Does she make you laugh? Uh, yeah. Uh, yeah. You see that? Sometimes. What's that? Oh. What do you think's funny, Karen? What do I find funny? What do you find funny? I'm finding your deadpan delivery of everything very. funny at the moment. Okay. That's good. Yeah. I think he is, that's what, but what happens is in the beginning, I would just say, I want you to have a microphone. He's like, uh, okay. And so it started being funny, but now he's definitely getting real comfortable. Yeah. These interjections are, you guys are good double act. We're going to go on the road, Karen. You should. Yeah. Yeah. So, what makes you, what makes you laugh? What's funny to you? When people trip and fall? Yeah, that is so funny. That's the funniest thing in the world. And I, I tend to laugh before I know if they're heard or not oh no i mean i it depends if it's an old person i'm not laughing at that i'm more worried about

that just made me laugh oh my god you just saying an old person falling made me laugh is it wrong yes you're a terrible my grandpa hearing an old man fart when he doesn't know he's farting that's funny to me like you know my grandma rose used to wake up i used to hear the blast of my grandfather and uh she would she would just yell out lo control yourself and i would just be as a little nine-year-old laughing in my bed hysterically like oh my god my grandfather farted and my grandmother yelled at him for it this is awesome this is life you know what I mean do your parents fart my dad'll oh oh my dad'll fart sometimes for sure does it just say hey Karen do you hear that did you hear no it's just they're they're quiet actually they just

kind of slip out yeah I don't like slow like no like yeah sneaky ones stealth stealth it's sneaky yeah but no he burps this is the new family game and by the way they are in Los Angeles at the moment so this game is happening all the time every day what's the game so the game is he would

he likes a burp that's what makes him laugh sure but then he changed it into this word like eh while he burps and then it turned into there was like a hand gesture that goes with it and so now we all do it and it's just it's getting more and more extreme and it's becoming that's oh my god you nailed it

Is that it? That was so good. You don't know how to make yourself burp? No, so mine are just fake. Like, eh? No, it's easy. Just inhale air. You're like, yeah.

I can't do it. I don't hang out with your dad. You should. He sounds awesome. What he likes, he likes that stuff. He likes guys that are a little bit vulgar sometimes. I mean, he's a boy. He's a boy.

Yeah. But you don't, you're not a burper. Are you one that will like, if you have to burp on set, you just burp really loud and they're like, oh, my God. I don't. I don't. What do you mean you don't know about that? I mean. Who was the first star you worked with?

The first one that made you a little starstruck. Oh. I don't know. I don't really get star struck over actors. Really? Yeah. Musicians? Probably more so or like maybe now directors.

Like what director? Like did you get nervous over? Recently I met James Cameron. Oh my gosh. But didn't know who he was. No, no. He was just at this social thing. He said, hi, this is Karen.

Gillen. This is James Cameron. Cameron? Well, no, I was trying to him for ages. Like, do you work in the industry? You didn't know it was him? And then I was like, oh, you're brilliant. Yeah, right? I mean, I didn't say that. I was trying to play it cool. But like that, I was a little amazed by that. Do you ever look at people and go, they're brilliant, but you could tell they're not happy? Oh, yeah. I think there's a ton of people like that. I see that a lot of people, they work all the time. They're, you know, and they have to keep busy. And they're, they're big.

stars and there but I just go you know again I don't want to I don't I think it's important to just like you said like you've loved yourself your parents taught you how to love yourself they loved you yeah and and you learn to love yourself and so learning to love yourself and then becoming an adult yeah and then working is a very it's a healthier thing obviously yeah what you don't want to do is not love yourself and then try to you know have this career in order to develop love for yourself. It's like you need admiration. You need people to say, oh, you're great. And if that's all you're getting, that's not real. No, and it's all temporary as well. And attaching your work to anything temporary is just a recipe for disaster. That's true. You could be number one on

this star meter, but you're not going to be number one forever. Yeah, you'll be number 24. And then you'll be number 1560. 1527. Where's the cutoff? Like how? I think there's like 30,000. like you could be like the the the third backup gaffer on mannequin two from 1986 really and you're probably at 380,000 interesting right I want to follow that guy around you should see how happy he is at 350 why don't you have bring that guy on the podcast hey you're on here you're 352 thousand that thousand I can say it on the on the on the IMDB meter. He's like, what the hell's that? I don't care. I just wanted to talk to you. I want to see how happy you are. I want to see what you're doing. Do you think that would be interesting? I do. And if he

doesn't know what it is, that's probably pretty healthy too. It probably is. I think that people are looking at their numbers. You know, I heard some, a lot of producers and directors will go on IMDB Pro. And they'll say, oh, she's number 24. Let's bring her in. Let's go. Yeah. They'll base the number. No. I know a big director, actor, producer that I can't say because I love like his work. And I know that he used to do it because my editor that edited my movie said that he would go, what number are they? Wow. That's really interesting.

That's kind of scary, isn't it? It's got to be based on talent. Well, no, I mean, the whole industry is based on numbers in a lot of these money-making movies. I mean, if you look at like sales numbers and foreign sales and everything, I mean, having experienced that because I recently directed, I was hearing all about these sales numbers, and I'm thinking they don't add up or make any sense. So tell me about the horror movie. You know, it's actually not a horror movie.

It's not? I didn't make a horror movie for my first feature. It's a thriller, though. No, it's just like an indie drama. What's it about? About a girl dealing with the suicide of her best friend. So yes, still in the dark territory. A girl called Lucy.

And she's in Scotland in Inverness. And it's one year on after the suicide of her best friend. And she can't really connect with anyone. So all of her angst is coming out in some pretty self-destructive ways. Wow. Is it a good ending? I mean, I can't tell you that. Well, I mean, do you like the ending? Oh, I like it very much, yeah.

And what was the budget on this movie? You probably shouldn't say, right? I mean, I shouldn't, but I will say that it was a low budget movie, yeah. And was it one of the most difficult things you'd ever have to tackle in your life? Probably, because it was the first film I ever directed. I acted in it at the same time, which is just severe multitasking and frustrating more than anything else. Yeah. Yeah, it was really, really intense.

But it wasn't quite as stressful as everybody made out it was going to be. Everyone was like, you're not going to sleep. And these directors I've worked with, I, you know, I haven't slept for a year because I've been working on all of this stuff. And I'm like, I slept really well making it. You're so lucky. You mean, you're dialed in. You don't need any drugs. You don't sleep or your logic is sleep or don't sleep.

Tell me about Doctor Who. How was your experience with that? Amazing. One of the best experiences of my life. Do you know Dr. Who, Rob? I know Doctor Who is, yeah. Have you ever seen the show? I have not.

It's one of these shows that I remember going to a convention and I go, God, why is that line so big? Oh, they're here to see the people from Doctor Who. Yeah, you don't know Doctor Who? And it looked at me like I was an idiot. There was such a huge following of Doctor Who. How many doctors have there been now? I think we're on, yeah, 13.

Is that right? 13th is a female. Isn't that great? It's so good. Fuck, yeah. The bite type. And you were on how much. many episodes? I don't know how many episodes I was on, but I was on it for three years.

You played pond? Yes, a character called Amy Pond. Amy Pond. I just said Pond. So you were pawned, uh, Amy Pond. What an idiot. 36 episodes. 36 episodes. Now that's a show probably that didn't pay a lot, right? Just a fun show to do. Um, well, we don't, I mean, the money in the UK is nowhere near what you're used to in this country. I'll put it that way. That's true, right? And you kind of just do it for the art. You just kind of like, hey, I want to do that. It's a cool show. Well, I mean, I was 21, so I thought I was rich. It's nothing compared to what people are on in this country, I would say. Did you think Jamans was going to be that big of a hit? Yeah, it had a lot of belief in it. Yeah. I think I thought it was going to be one of those that people use the word actually a lot when they

describe it. Like, it was actually really good. I think people do that. Yeah, they do that. You know, And I haven't had a chance to see it, but people go on about it and they're doing a sequel. Yes. You're really doing that. You've already signed on for the sequel. I mean, I don't know. Nothing's in concrete yet. Oh, so you didn't even negotiate?

I don't know yet what's happening. But I do know that they're probably going to make another one. Oh, so you don't even know if you're in it or not yet. I mean, I think I probably will be, but I don't know for sure. You just can't say too much. Yeah. You don't know for sure. No.

I'm looking at you. She's looking at her face. It's like, just giving me that lying look. No, no, no, no, you don't have to tell me. Guardians 3. Yeah. Have you heard you're in it? I think I am, yeah.

You think? Well, actually, I haven't heard a lot about that one, but I assume so. Yeah. Also, I feel like if I talk too much about this, it's going to give away the next Avengers movie. Yeah, because you were just in Infinity War. And there's another movie next year. Right, that they filmed simultaneously, or as you say simultaneously. Yes.

Vitaminly. Yes. Is that hard to do like? back to back like sort of movies at the same time? Are they really good with the direction and this is what you're doing and this is the idea and this is everything's so well thought out that you don't feel lost as an actor. Like, what am I doing? Well, there was an element of not quite knowing how your scenes were going to fit into the overall context

because they didn't give us a script on adventures. So we kind of just had to surrender to that experience and get our sides in the morning. So I couldn't do my crazy preparation. And then we just shot them And we will just watch the films And see how it all comes together And were you with all the actors A lot of days

Where you're all together kind of like Was it crazy? Yes And that was the first time You'd ever work with all those guys Yeah And who was the coolest The one that you remember going

Oh my God, I love this person I'm going to hang out with them on set Mark Ruffalo is pretty funny He seems like the nicest freaking guy Yeah he's way more childlike In personality than I expected More childish than me I don't know about that

Oh yeah You're both pretty childlike. No, he was just kind of like a cheeky, cheeky child. Yeah? Yeah, like running around full of mischief. Really? I like that. Who was the most serious on set?

Nice, but just, you know, more serious, more to themselves. It might have been me. God, come on. I know, it's, you know why? Because, like, maybe I hadn't slept. Really? Yeah, maybe, like, I remember feeling really tired. They're all laughing.

They're on set and you're just, you know, I'm tired. I'm going to do my thing and go to the day. You don't care. I'm around all these really famous people. You don't care about actors. Well, I do. I mean, it is cool to see all of those people together in one room, but then you're with them for 15 hours a day.

So that wears off pretty quickly. It's like, oh, yeah. How much more can I hear from Scarlett Johansson? Well, she was amazing. Yeah, I really dug her. Is she fun? Yeah, just cool, like a cool chick. She was.

Everybody's cool. There was no, what's the guy, the Iron Man guy? Robert Downey Jr. He was amazing. He was fun. Well, he was great because he makes everybody be sociable. So he, you know, hosts these lunches where we would all go and socialize with each other instead of going back to our trailers. And he would give us delicious food from his chef.

And so we were all really happy about that. Really? The Iron Man, the Iron Chef, just cooking for everybody. Yep. I like that. Mm-hmm. So you loved it. It was a great experience.

It was a great experience. So far, your life sounds pretty damn good. I mean, I'm also the, I'm achingly positive about everything. So it might just be the way I'm describing everything. What makes you cry? I mean, many things. I cry all the time. Do you?

Yeah, but like I'll cry at like, you know, adverts or TV shows. Adverts? Commercials. Oh, is that what they call them adverts? Yeah. Okay. Or like even things that are good, like positive things I'll cry on. Really?

You just get happy. I think I'm like that too. Like a happy tear. If something happens, I'll cry. If my grandfather who has all assigned. if we're on a FaceTime and he'll go, Mike, you know, I remember. And it tells me something and we just, we just have a moment that, that will make me cry. That will kill my tears up with joy.

Like, oh, like he still remembers my name. Things like that. That's lovely. You know, that would definitely. If I watched that, I would cry. Do you ever cry to your mom and go, like, I'm so tired. I can't do this anymore. Oh, yeah, and all the time.

You do that. Oh, yeah. It's one of my meltdowns. But she has them too. So we both have sporadic meltdowns because we're tired. And you know it's from fatigue. It's happened enough times to now I know what's causing it, which is fatigue, for sure. Because I'm very able to cope with things when I'm well rested,

very unable to cope with things when I haven't had a lot of sleep. All right, quickly, we talk about horror movies. We both love horror movies. You're a huge shining fan. Do you know everything about the shining? I don't know everything. I'm going to ask you some questions. Oh, God, okay.

What was the room? two three seven yes yes what was the african-american man's character's name how is this i'm on the hallerman mr hallerman is it hallerman the shining i think that we're we get you get points for that okay hallerman um who directed the shining stanley kubrick right um who dies first in the movie who dies first the first death Isn't it Haller? It was Hallerman

Hallerman And what was above his bed As he's watching TV A picture of a woman Naked Naked Yeah Yes

And what did he call Danny He called him something And he's like Well I'm surprised I heard you call him that But did you hear us call him that Because we haven't called him that in the wild But that's what we call him

Mr. Hallerman Remember he goes Remember they're in the freezer We got stakes He got this and goes, I don't remember. Doc. Doc. Doc.

And what was his finger? What was his name? His Inside Show. Tony. And what did he say when he wrote that word backwards? Red rum. Right, red rum. And what was it backwards?

Murder. That's right. Yeah. You see you're nailing it. I'm having a celebratory sip of coffee. Do you remember in the panel I made you do a Jack Nicholson impression? How can I forget? You were like, oh, why am I doing this?

Like, I would have this happened. Is that your favorite movie of all? time? Yeah. It is. Did you watch the behind the scenes? Yeah. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. Um, you know, apparently I found out that they built all of the interior of the hotel and the maze outside on stages in London. Isn't that crazy? Because he just didn't want to travel, did he? Who do you want to work for? What director, dead or alive, would you have loved to work for? And who would you like to work? Right, Stanley Kubrick. Oh my God. I love him so much. Have you seen everything? 2001. Yeah, I mean, pretty much everything. Um, um, I watched Pats of Glory recently to get right back to the beginning.

I've seen it all like... Clockwork Orange. Yeah, that's in my top three. 2001, a Clockwork Orange and the Shining sometimes alternate for the top spot. Yeah, that's probably my favorite movie. What other horror movies? Horror movies. Exorcist, you said.

Exorcist, amazing. Right. Rosemary's Baby is good. I'd say the Exorcist is probably the scariest movie of all time, that in the Shining. The First time I was a kid. The Exorcist is just so horrifyingly, brutally, really. real like and you see this young girl playing this role and they made the room like 33 degrees when they were actually filming it was actually torture and against the law what they were doing

why did they did it to get a performance and to make her you know the even though it was i guess borderline you know uh legal yeah i guess in a way but it's so scary to watch these scenes with her and the way she was thrown around and like doing all those things but the scariest the scene in the exorcist is when she the the priest is talking about the scene is talking about the talking to her and the demon comes out and all of a sudden the drawer opens it just opens up and he goes you did that didn't you oh he goes remember and he goes do it again he goes in time because no do it now in time and I just I remember I remember that just scared the shit out of me yeah that just scared the shit of me yeah right that's that recreation no that's a great movie yeah it's one of my

favorites. All right, we're going to, just a couple questions from fans. Yay. You know, because I don't even look at these questions. It's how great I am. Oh, cool. P.J. Woolman says, can you ask her to sing some traditional Gaelic songs? Okay. Me nemererilievic, Ghani, Ghani, Gondgo. What'd you say? I don't know. I don't speak Gaelic. Wow. I thought Gaelic was Irish. Is it Irish and Scottish? Gaelic and Gaelic are different. So Gaelic's Irish. Gaelic is Scottish. I didn't know that How does she hope her character Ruby Roundhouse and Jumanji will be portrayed

in the sequel since in this one it was a shy teenage girl? Maybe a 57 year old male lawyer Interesting Favorite That was Ariel Ariel J 93

SK Persson would love to know Karen's favorite unset memory of Doctor Who Working with Matt and Arthur It was pretty spectacular They're two of my best friends don't have any brothers but I now know what it feels like to have really annoying brothers and they're pranks they're silly silly pranks on me I could be your annoying brother great go on then Mark Rufelone and I

Emily Soudal I always like hearing about how long guardians cast were in hair and makeup well you're cruel Emily I'm sure she wants to there for a good hour she thinks an hour an hour how dare you it takes an hour just for normal makeup I'm getting ready for about four hours how do you mentally prepare for four hours of makeup I just do it music or do you zone out I've been listening to some Alfred Hitchcock

interviews with Truffaut really yeah so me and the boys have been getting into that who is in longer Steve Agey Sullivan Sully who is in makeup longer Rooker you were probably the longest I think I'm the longest yeah four hours

yeah me and Zoe's Aldana take the same amount of time and Batista all day They have somehow, even though I feel like he has the most makeup on him, he is quicker than us. Really? Yeah, they have a really quick system. But you know how he gets it off? I don't think any man wants to end his day like this. He gets into a sauna with five men in their little shorts and they steam it off of them.

Actually, that sounds great. Wow. And by the way, Dave's going to be on the podcast. He is. You can ask him all about it. ask him all about it. In fact, I'm going to come, I'm going to do the podcast. Rob and I are going to heat the room up really high. I'm going to be in little shorts. Do that because he's going to, yeah, he's going to freak out. He's the nicest guy. You know what he did? I was at a

convention in D.C. And I only met him a couple times, but we hit it off and it was just funny guy. I just liked him. He's a likable guy. Yes. And one of the handlers came over to me and said, Hey, Michael, Dei Bautista would like to say hello to you. And I go, now he's probably talking about Michael Rooker. They're closer because they worked together all the time. He goes, no, no, he specifically said it's Rosenbaum. And I go, what? So I walked over and he's like, hey, dude, I'm sorry. I'm working right now. And I just, I knew you were here. I didn't know when you're leave. I just wanted to say, hey, and it was good, you know, I mean, it was so sweet. It's just like, no one does that. Oh, yeah, he definitely goes out of his way. He's what a lovable good guy.

Yeah, he's one of the most gentle people I've ever encountered, which is such a funny contrast with his, you know. And so funny. The character. Yes. It's genius. Don't you wish you were, Nebula was a little funnier. Well, I find Nebula. You are funny because you're so serious. Well, this is it. That's why, yeah, that's why it works. Yeah, I think she takes herself really seriously.

So I find that funny, you know, when someone's really serious. Yeah, and the way you tilt your head sometimes when you're just like, Oh, yeah. Angry. It's kind of comedic because you're trying to understand Zoe's character, which is, what's her character's name? Gamora. Gomorrah. Rob, are you breathing heavy?

Jesus Christ. Did you hear that? Yeah. You heard a camera on it. You're like listening to us going, Oh my God. It's all red face. Wait, what time is it?

I know, you got to go. No, no, that's not why I'm saying that. It's 3.30. It's an hour and a half here. No, I please do not think that's why I was asking the time. The reason I was asking the time is because I'm not allowed caffeine after 3 o'clock and I've been pounding my coffee. That's okay if you go to half an hour or over.

Do you think? Who said that? Me. I placed a rule on myself. Do you go to therapy? No. Have you ever to gone to therapy? Not really.

Well, then you can drink your fucking coffee. because you're not a therapist. Okay. I mean, you know, how about this? How about you go until this is over? Okay. And you throw it away. Yeah.

That's it. I'm in no rush, guys. No, I don't think you were. This is, it's fun, right? Yeah, I'm having a really good time. Yeah, it's an easy kind of, you're just all over the place kind of fun thing. Just having a good chat. You know, what I've learned so far about you today is you don't need medication to sleep.

You don't need medication to do anything. You don't get headaches. You stress. You freak out to your mom. She freaks out to you. It's cathartic. You cry at anything. thing. Happy, sad. Your dad loves belching. You find him to be funny. You know, since you were a kid,

you were creative, you wanted to be creative, but you've never, you're just not a crazy person. You like to keep busy, but you will go crazy if you don't keep busy. You don't get starstruck from, excuse me, from... Nice one. Thank you. You don't get starstruck from like, from actors, musicians, maybe, directors. James Gunn. How was James Gunn to work with? I love working with James so much. He's just such a brilliant person and director. You're very good friends with him, so you know this. But like in terms of just being a director, like I didn't, you know, I got the role of Nebula

and then I come on to set for the first day of filming and I have this whole character worked out and I'm like, oh my God, how's it going to go over? And I had like all of these things that I'd come up with. And then he just came up to me after the first take and said, why don't you just play it like Marilyn Monroe? go. And it created the entire character with one sentence. And it was completely different to what I was doing. And that's why he's brilliant. Wow. That's some insightful shit. Oh yeah. Like, I mean, within one sentence. And I'm like, that's a director. He did something like

that with me once when he was directed me. He said, just pretend you're a good actor. Or just try to be better. Um, he told me, I think I'm going to be in the next one. I mean, that's what he said. That's exciting. And I gave him the podcast. They said, hey well here's what i said are we you know stalone coming back he's like well i had him in the end credits why wouldn't i have him back i don't put people in the end credits and i go yeah but i was in the end credits too and he goes yeah that's not going to happen now but he's kidding he's like of course i wouldn't put you in the end credits and everything so i go so i don't know if it's guardians or whatever but uh we're waiting here so well that could be exciting yes when i had dots

in my head they did cg i oh you were mokup yeah so they put it's my body and my everything but it's my uh he put dots on my face and then you wore the helmet with a camera no i didn't do the camera oh okay interesting yeah maybe for the next one but i don't know but it was a good time i was only that said for like a couple weeks and you know it was great it was just a really quick light fun set we just really had a good time i just really appreciated it so i feel like he hires only nice people yeah yeah i feel like he i don't know if it's i'd love to ask him if he does that consciously or not but there are no assholes on set i feel like he has a secret no asshole policy. I think sometimes someone surprises you. You try to cast all good people and then

someone's like, oh my God, what a pain in the ass they were. By the way, I know some people who are a pain in the ass that he worked with. Just in general. I can't say it right now. I can't. I mean, he'll kill me. He's like, he told me. He's like, he's like, this person was a pain in the ass. I'm sure there are some. I'm saying in his movie career. Of all the movies he's done. Oh, well, yes. He's dealt with some, he's dealt with some people. Yeah. So you seem you're normal. You're a fun person. You're really bright, you're goofy, you're down the earth, even though you're 24 in the star meter. If I was your therapist, I would say, you really don't need me.

Thank you. All I would say is give yourself some free time, learn to be alone a little bit, because one day you'll probably be a little bit alone. That's actually something I'm very good at because I'm an only child. So you are being good. I have difficulty giving my time to people. So you like to just be by yourself? Oh my God.

Yes. Okay, I just meant like, because we were talking before and you said something like, you know, you don't like, if you didn't work for a year. Oh, yeah, yeah. I just meant like for long periods of time. I see. But who should be alone long periods of time, right? I guess no. If anything, I need to work on that.

Can you vacation? Can you go to a vacation? Can you take a vacation and enjoy it? Or do you read? And I got to look at this script. Can you just put everything away and fuck off for one week? I haven't done that in a while. Usually my vacations are work based like, oh, go to this film festival.

If it's anybody who can teach you how to fuck off, it's me. I know how to fuck off. Oh, my God. I'm the best fuck off ever. What's the top tip? The top tip is just like, you said top tip? Yeah. The top tip is just honestly, one day go, hey, I'm off for a month.

Agents, don't even call me for anything. I'm doing, I'm doing this and go to, like, Hawaii or Cancun for like a week and just with a friend or two and just enjoy it and sit in the sun or maybe get an umbrella because of your pale skin. Yeah, and just do nothing. Maybe go snorkeling, do whatever. Yeah. Just enjoy yourself. You know what? I'm going to do that. You've inspired me. Yeah. Go to an amusement park. I have friends. We all go to Six Flags and ride flags. I'd take you. Rob and I would take you. Oh, thanks, guys. Yeah. All right. Six Flags is a blast. You go on rollercoasters. You go to the Olive Garden after you get some breadsticks, some pasta. It's a cheap Italian place. What would your therapy be for me if you had to be my therapist? Be honest, though. Don't be, don't pretend like everything. everything's perfect. I would say you should be happy with what you've achieved. Like you should be very proud of yourself.

Why do you think I'm not? I don't know. There's something struck you as I'm not proud of myself. I think that you're selling yourself a bit short, maybe. Really? Is it unattractive? No. It's just something I observed.

Rob? Do you agree? Like I sell myself too short? You're pretty self-deprecating. I think that's probably what you mean. Maybe that's what I'm picking up. on. Yeah. Yeah.

You're concerned about your IMDB number. Do you ever look at yourself and go, A, you're fucking gorgeous. B, you're tall as fuck. You're white as fuck. And you're gorgeous. Three, you fucking horrible. Look at your hair today, you old Scottish bat. Or four, fuck it.

I think it's probably had moments. of all of them right i'm beautiful i look like shit i'm yeah i mean i'm the same as everybody else i'm like god i look good today oh god i've never looked worse i think that's fair i mean i think i think i think we just need to enjoy the way we look you know i do you were so sincere and so serious that it made me laugh in it was genuine i just think like we're going to be old soon and we're going to be like why didn't i just have a bit of fun and and you know run around feeling good about the way I look you know I'm I'm ending the interview there I think that right there you just nailed it no seriously we're all going to the same place I've said it on this podcast many times

just live Karen Gillen thank you so much for allowing me to be inside of you today thank you we've talked about it for a long time you're never around but you're here and you took the time to do it yes of course thank you for having me it's been great Rob haven't you enjoyed this immensely yeah I have she's great isn't she I'm fine no you're great Rob, you're married. You have a child. You have a child. You're 28.

You have a child. You're too young. I love you, Rob. You know that. Karen, I love you too. Thanks, man. Thanks, guys. This is great.

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