Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Ep 30: James Roday & Dulé Hill

Episode Date: October 30, 2018

James Roday (A Million Little Things, Psych, The Dukes of Hazzard) and Dulé Hill (The West Wing, Psych, Suits) are reunited again and discuss falling in love with one another on Psych, James secretly dating their co-star on the show, and the moments they realized the show was going to be a hit. James discusses being a New York theatre kid with a chip on his shoulder and how much Dulé helped him with his social anxiety. Dulé talks about his success on The West Wing, inheriting a 13-year-old daughter, and understudying Savion Glover. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Rob Hollis is here. He's got a beard. Hi, Michael. You're very observant this morning. How long do you take you to grow that? Two and a half weeks. Good show today.

We always have a good show for you. I hope you enjoyed. Even if you don't know someone's name, check it out because you'll learn a lot. I'm certainly learning a lot. Today's guests, they have a huge fan base. These guys are enormously talented. Deulay Hill, James Roday from the hit show. Syke.

This is a great show. I don't know how many people watch this, but it's quite a few because people are always excited about that. When are those guys on? And, you know, James Rode is in a show called A Million Little Pieces. Yep, the new show on ABC. New show on ABC. Duley Hills worked forever.

West Wing suits, both enormously talented, funny. James directs, you'll hear all sorts of shit. We get personal about relationships on set. We talk about so much goodies. Stay tuned. Listen, let's get inside. James Roday and Dulee Hill, The Syke Boys. Inside of You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum.

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Do you guys coordinate what you're going to do? Like, hey, what time you're getting over Rosenbaum's house? I just assumed the Dule is going to be 20 to 40 minutes late, and I live my life. life accordingly and then on a day like today he sets me up for failure because i come rolling in and he's sitting in the compact see it's a long game though you know i started this i started this from back and say about 2008 just so on this moment today yeah when i came to do inside of you i could beat rodent it paid off and that was it got to be consistent with it you know i'm the jerk now let me ask you were you got was that sort of are you guys someone who like dula you're a responsible guy you always seems like you know your lines right right is that true james sure he's prepared to do to do the work

when he gets there sure now how late on average did you say dula is no it's i'm exaggerating it's but it's a solid 15 well 15 is is is doable right more than that than the ad starts coming over to no it's just 15 times everyday times eight seasons eight seasons you know what i'm saying but i do come knowing my lines ready to go that's important so i make up the time you know what i mean it's true James Orday, Dulae Hill, thank you for allowing them to be inside of you today. Wow, this is weird. This is great. Well, I mean, it's your funeral, pal.

I was nervous. Pretty rotten in there. Now, we know each other, but we don't know each other. We see each other. It's been a long time. Well, I'm glad that the feeling of closeness is reciprocated by you. I really appreciate that. I can't even remember the last time I saw you.

Well, look, there's always been a respect. I always thought you guys were funny and sweet and just good guys. had a lot of charisma and I was like I love that I want to work with them I want to hang out with them we didn't do that a lot but when we saw each other around you have a nice tattoo on your arm thank you man it's my family coat of arms really yeah my family coat of arms would be a prozac pill that's so small I have it my brother has it specific some cousins have it you know what I'm specific but little now but I'm excited you guys are here and you know it's not always easy quarter and by the way did you think for a second oh he wants James on there

Oh, he wants to lay on there. Why can't we do individually? Why are we doing it together? Oh, it's a psych thing. I always will take this guy on anything like this, because he's way better at it than I am. So we have a good old time. We have a good old time. James, you smoke grass.

I mean, that's what I get. So I gather you're very relaxed. You're cool guy. You're funny. I'm not going to lie to you. I wish that I agreed with weed more than I do. What would happen when you smoke grass? And do you like that I call the grass?

Yeah, I like that it's grass. Let's keep it strictly on strictly 70s, early 80s. Let's not go past 84. It's not. Things are going to be rad, and we're going to smoke grass. No, you know, when everyone started smoking weed, I had a couple grass. I had a couple bad experiences that sort of set me off on the wrong foot, and this was, you know, high school-ish. Grass?

How did you get, wait, I never hear a bad experience with grass. Yeah, I'm like, well. I was in Texas. It was probably barely even. grass. It probably was actual grass. And yeah, and by the time I got to college, I just was like, eh. And I feel like I

missed the train. I missed the grass train. So, so yeah, I stick with alcohol mostly. DeLay. Yes. Grass. Have I had, have I smoked weed before? Yes. Do you smoke? You don't smoke a lot. No. I'm a tap dancing. I grew up around, you know,

back, especially when I was back doing bringing always bringing a funk. It was like, tap dance is a jazz cats. You know what I'm saying? What does that have to do with smoking so that you can... Well, tap dances and jazz, I mean, jazz cats smoke weed. That's what they do. Oh, that's what they do? Right. Yeah, you know what mean? Tap dances are jazz cats. I'm getting an

education right now. I didn't know that. I didn't assume all jazz people like... Well, no, I mean... Not people. Yeah, jazz cats. Jazz cats smoke weed. Resonbaum? Cats. I mean, and I'm not saying everybody does, but like, you know, people smoke weed. Yeah. Especially back then, like in the, uh, in the late 90s.

You know, when I was in noise funk, I smoked a lot. But not drinking. You guys aren't big drinkers i like a drink i like to drink yeah you do that is my family's from jamaica that is my drug of choice yes and how often do you drink uh every other day i have a drink yeah yeah i mean it's probably an even split over the 365 really a hundred and and it depends what is that what is that 1706 something like that but then there's 176 you know right crisp you got to have balance in life. A doctor once told me that if you take one full month, consecutive month, which for me, of course, was February, because it's the shortest, off of drinking, that's all

the time your liver requires to refuel and rebuild itself. One month. One month. We don't know who this doctor is, but. It was a medical doctor who earned a degree from somewhere, probably south of our borders. But listen, it makes sense to me, because in my mind, it's always like, I don't drink every day. My liver's fine. but it needs the cumulative sort of repair time of, you know, 28 to 30-ish days. And you have no problem with that, giving a little 30-day. February, man.

It's a good month to do it anyway, right? You watch the Super Bowl and then you take a break, and then you're back to just living the life that you need. Well, what about on set, though? Not on set. Obviously, you don't drink on set. I mean, maybe you do. When I'm working, I drink a lot.

I don't drink as much. You don't drink as much because I'm busy. By the time of the day is done, then I have to get home and get ready for the next day. next day so and don't you feel like shit see with me with alcohol if i drink it not even a beer or something it just kind of makes me feel like crap not me no i'm more of a like a scotch or a wine dude yeah i drink i drink vodka and i can i can drink it in copious amounts and not feel anything is that true i don't know if that's something you want to be proud of though well i mean if you're gonna have a thing that

you drink then it's you know you be able to drink it now you both has something in common he started dating his co-star in season one of psych yes season two that's correct and it lasted six years seven seven yeah okay yeah you started dating your co-star on baller season one mm-hmm and now you're married yes but your unique cases because it's always the thing not to do don't go out with your stars. I once was on a movie in Germany and I made the mistake and I was young and she was, we were just, and it just got, it got a little ugly. You see? It got uncomfortable and then it was fine, but it was just like, well, see, I got off on a technicality because technically I wasn't really a series regular on ballers. I was just a guest actor on the show. You were still

bawling. So I was visiting. You were bawling. Oh, I was bawling. Once I got with Jasmine Simon, I was definitely bawling. But I, you know, I was a guest in that word. I was a guest in that world. You see what I'm saying? It wasn't the same. It wasn't like a lead actor. It wasn't like a lead actor on a comedy show on USA Network. Like James there. And then being with another lead actor on a comedy show on USA Network. It wasn't that at all.

Wait, another? No. You two? Well, well, Maggie. Maggie for one. I thought you said, oh, so it was just Maggie. Right. Now I have Insights scoop.

There's a friend of mine. He was my assistant up in Canada. His name's Troy Rudolph. He loves you guys. I know Troy. We remember Troy. Guy. We love him.

nerdy guy hi Troy he'll listen to this he loves you guys this up Troy Rudolph now he said you know people I think people in the first season were probably a little earlier oh my gosh you know what's going to happen in the show I mean James is dating Maggie Lawson what's going to happen there was there was there halfway through season one you're like I've got to get rid of her she's going to get rid of me or what's going on we made it through the first season pretty well it was like it was a heavy flirtation but you know we we behaved and we figured that that was the right thing to do and then uh we went into the off season and things got more serious and we just sort of made a deal with ourselves that psych has to come first and that if

we were going to make this ill-advised decision because it is no question yeah um that we were going to make our bed literally and then we were going to have to lie in it and we did that what were you thinking the whole time dula like come on but not early on when it when he first got together i remember telling real day. It's like, just don't bring this shit to work. Don't bring this shit to work. Do you remember those conversations, James? You know? Yeah. Because to me, it was a matter of, as long as y'all are good, then life is good. But if you'll have issues and then you'll are arguing. Now you want to come to work and we have to do a scene where we have to all be very funny and you all are trying to be shitty with each other. That's not going to work. But they never

did. I got to get, I mean, times when I'm sure that as in any relationship, you have disagreements and you have arguments and things like that, they never brought it to work. They both always came with the A game, brought the energy right? There wasn't any conversations where it's like, how much you're getting for renegotiations, James? Here's a, no, here's a, I want to know. Here's a fun piece of gossip. We pulled off an entire, shortened, but final season,

not being together without anybody except, you know, Dulae and Tim, nobody on the crew knew. Like, we pulled that off. We wanted it to sort of end the way that it began. And so we, yeah, we just sort of pretend it for the kids. Are you guys friends to this day? Mags and I? Yeah.

Very close, yes. Very close. You'll text your caller. Yeah. That's pretty amazing. I mean, I don't know how you do that. But that's, you know, because relationships, they never end. Well, I think relationships can end well as long as the people involved are good people.

You know what I'm saying? I think with people involved are not good people, then it's not going to end well. So, for example, like, that's true. They ended well because they're good people. They're good people. Rosenbaum's, you know, his relationships don't end well because, you know, No, well. Well, first of all, he said Rosenbaum.

And that's what my dad says. He says, that's the correct pronunciation of my name, Rosenbaum. You're the first person who actually got it right. So thank you. B, all my relationships have ended well to a certain degree. All of my relationships have ended well. Well, like all of a sudden I'm an old Jew. All of my relationships ended well.

I can't really tell you. What, Rob, go ahead. Are you friends with all of them still? You call and text them? Yes, I just got a like from one of my exes on an Instagram post I'm not what I asked at all Well, you know, I'm friends of them In fact, I say I just text my, I dated this girl, Danielle Harris.

She's a horror, uh, movie actress, she's one of my best friends. She had her second kid. I just texted her the other day. Congratulations. She's, let's get it's amazing. How's your life going? I'm like, it's going. Fuck off, Rob.

What the fuck? He's already 29. He's got a kid. 30. Wow. 30. Congratulations. Congratulations.

Can you believe it? You guys don't have kids? I do not. I do. You do have a kid? Inherited a beautiful daughter. Oh my God, how old? Thirteen.

How is that? Lovely. Isn't it hard? Not at all, actually. Why? Well, because she's a wonderful child. That's why. He also skipped a lot of the tricky phase.

Don't take away my shine, bro. Don't take away my shine. He missed the terrible twos in a big way. And you were a groomsman in the wedding? I was. I was. Did you give a speech? I did.

I gave a, I gave a, I gave a short speech, but I felt like it was packed with, like, your daily essentials. Well, you know, obviously, when you have an actor and a writer, be one of your groomsmen, you would think that his speech is going to be on point, and it was. It was. Yeah. How long was the speech? And could you summarize it in one minute?

It wasn't, it wasn't long. Highlights. It wasn't long. And much like DeLay and I's relationship, it was, you know, 80% fun and 20% heart. Did you cry? I didn't. But that's just because there was so many tears happening. I felt like somebody needed to, like, keep the shit together.

Really? People were crying. A lot of tears. Was your Jamaican family crying? Some of my Jamaican family was probably crying, yeah. Who's the biggest cryer? One of the Jamaican family would have been me. Were you crying? I did.

It was an emotional. I don't think that's beautiful. Yeah, it was beautiful. It was the ugly cry, too. Was it? Yeah, those pictures will never get out. It was the ugly cry. That face you make, the only you do in front of a mirror?

Yeah, and you're trying to hold it together, but it really can't. I've done that. cry. Rob, have you done that cry? Probably. I don't picture you as someone who cries. I think of my grandpa's funeral. I did. You did? Why? I mean, because he died. But that's not what I meant. I meant. Were you really close with him? Was there something

special? Yeah, and they had the trumpet salute for him, and that's when it happened. That's when I hate you. Did you give the ugly cry? Probably. How old were you? Five. Five years. Five years ago. I thought he's going to say I was four. I'm like, what? That doesn't. How do you remember? The last time my ugly cried was

when I saw E.T. in theaters. Oh. Which part? It was full. The end. When he said goodbye. When he said goodbye. I cry at weird shit, man. I cry at the price is right. Sure.

You know, I can, like, if someone wins the underdog, you just could tell it they, you know, they need this. I fucking go nuts. You know, Jeopardy, not so much. But the price is right, though. Price is right. He's like, and they bid. I mean, he'd have been $1 more.

He would have, he would have lost, but he didn't. So let me ask you this. When you guys started doing psych, did you, did you immediately get along? Did you meet each other? Because you tested. You have to see if you match together, if your comic timing, all that. How many tests were there? Well, Rode already had the job.

They already, was it a straight offer or did you audition for that? No, I had to test against three other white dudes. Do you know the white dudes? One was Paul Campbell. Who's that? He's a Canadian actor. Okay, that's why. I'm kidding.

I love Canadians. Yeah. You're Canadian, aren't you? No, you're from Mexico. I'm from Texas. That was close, though. Aren't you born in New Mexico? You found the region, though.

I was born in San Antonio. Oh. I'm half Mexican. That might be what's in your head. Oh, yeah. You are half Mexican. That's what it is. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Rodriguez. Rodriguez. Okay. But no, I tested against some dudes and got it, and then I read with every single actor, every single actor that read for Deulay's role it was a long exhausting process and then very close to the end um everybody came into the room pumped up and nervous because oh my gosh dulae hill from from the west wing is going to come in and test and it was like you know it was a late game swerve a to go diverse with the role and be to get somebody you know who was coming off

one of the great shows at all time. Yeah. So everybody was sort of over the moon. And it kind of shifted the dynamic in a pretty big way because all the sort of Nevishee, Alan Rucky from Ferris Bueller Day Off versions was sort of what we had been looking at. Right. So outside the box.

Yeah. Or inside the box? Inside of you. Inside of you. But, you know, it's kind of lightning in a bottle because it had to be perfect timing. Because you were obligated to West Wing. You didn't sign on for that seventh season, but the show ended up not... I did...

Well, I was on the seventh season, I had committed to a certain number of episodes. We were going to do a certain number of episodes that I... Charlie was going to be in, like, five episodes or something like that. So the time it worked out where I was able to go and do the... Finale and all that stuff. The pilot, go back, finish the show, and then start. Sike. Did you think it was like, when you watched the pilot, you were like, this is going to go for a while?

I thought, if they give us a chance, then we... could possibly find some gold over a period of time. But right out the bat that I think necessarily, oh, this is going to run for eight years? No. Not eight years. No. Yeah, I felt like there was real potential there that needed to be carved out. Like there were like a couple scenes in the pilot

that I were like, okay, if those two scenes are the show, then we could have a lot of fun. Right. But, you know, I think at the beginning, we were still sort of steeped in this idea that we had to be a procedural, mostly with like a light tone right and it wasn't until we discovered you know relatively early on because to USA's credit they did give us the time to sort of find ourselves you got to find it

that's what people don't understand is like you watch a pilot you're seeing essence right little morsels of like what could be and if you don't give it enough time to develop where was it there was there that pinnacle moment where you both thought we got it now we got this now we know we're doing for me i think i know dulae's answer and i agree with him but i'll take it back one step for me it was the the last episode of season one into the first episode of season two both directed by john landis wow and both became arched in a way that the previous episodes weren't and that was you know that was when i think we realized oh there's a version of the show where we just do whatever the hell we want and that's the show now when you say that is that that's improv

Improv. Do you improv a lot? What percentage, an honest percentage of each show is you guys adding stuff and ad libid? Or is it just moments and scenes? It got less and less over the years. Because they just knew how to write for you. Yeah, yeah. But that's what's great about collaboration, though, because Roday was the, you know, the improv dude.

He would be all over the place in finding gold on his own. But then as the writers would see what was coming on screen, they then would start to write towards it. And then, of course, then you would do less. improv but then you would add on to it a little bit more they would take that and so it becomes a nice collaborative situation yes in other words they'd see something and they or they write something they go you know Rode is going to go this direction and Dulae's probably going to do this but and they start to write it right to your strengths a simple thing I think early on one of the first nicknames that Rode gave a Sean gave Gus was Gus Silly Pants Jackson I think that was one

of the early ones right that wasn't initially in a part of their dynamic but as Rode kept doing it, then they started riding towards it. And then that became, obviously, one of the great things that fans have always loved about the show was the names that Sean would call Gus. That's amazing. Or even the don't-bees. The don't-bees weren't originally part of

the world anyway, also. At-Dax, Christopher said, you know, he said, does talking about Syke ever get old? Now, I have to answer that for me first. Yeah. You know, people say, small-ville, talking about Smallville. My answer is, does it get old, no?

I mean, it's something that's the biggest success I've ever had. It was a blast. You know, I did a lot of other things. I do a lot of other things. But if people want to know about that, do you always want to talk about it? No. When you're with your girlfriend, your wife, do you always want to say, hey, let's talk about psych episode 30. What are you thinking?

Good morning, baby. But how do you go about that? When Gus went to the, uh, I can't do this. Me personally, I don't get tired of talking about it. I feel like it's a nice balance. They, it's just at the right amount of level of talking about it. It's not like every day and day out when I'm always talking about Syke,

but I also appreciate the fact that fans have appreciated and enjoyed this world that we created or which were a part of being created that has touched them, so why not? Shame on anybody who ever gets tired about talking about something that changed their lives. Syke changed my life.

Syke was an opportunity that changed everything for me and not just as an actor, but it's what allowed me to start to, it's like it sort of was the linchpin for everything that came after it and uh i owe that show and the fans of that show so much and uh yeah i'll i'll stop and talk about it with anybody inside of you is brought to you by quince i love quince ryan i've told you this before i got this awesome sixty dollar cashmere sweater i wear it religiously you can get all sorts of amazing, amazing clothing for such reasonable prices.

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gig in Union Square. And I figured that was an honorable life. Yeah. And then before I knew it, I had gotten cast in a TV series, and it brought me to Los Angeles, but I still very much had the New York theater mentality, and I was kind of, I wasn't a jerk, but I, but artistically, I sort of had a like, I don't know, I feel like this material might not be up to par sort of thing going on. And, and I got the best piece of advice that I've ever gotten in my career from an actor named Michael Rospoli. Some wonderful character actors have been around for a long time. And he sent me. down he said look kid i get it but i'm going to do you a favor and then he like uh phantom knocked the chip off my shoulder and explained how fleeting this business is and how there's always something that you can learn from every job and that uh you know walking around like you know your shit doesn't stink is is not going to get you anywhere and luckily i got that advice at 23 and you really that hit you. It hit me right between the eyes. Isn't amazing? Like sometimes people say shit all the time. It seems

profound at the moment. And it's just sort of ephemeral, right? And then somebody will say something that just resonates forever. And those are rare. And the truth is, I wanted to be a sponge. I wanted to learn as much as I could. So to hear that from an actor who had been doing it for, you know, 25, 30 years, I just took it at face value. And I was like, yep, no more of that. Really? So, Or did you, I probably would have walked away going, what was it I said that made him think I had a chip on my shoulder? I think I was talking about theater a lot. And I think I was probably overly critical of the first few scripts that came in.

I mean, it wasn't a great, it wasn't a great show. But, you know, that's part of what we do, you know. Yeah. Sometimes you get lucky and you're on great stuff. Were you a hater? Do you think like we're like, look, there's moments in our lives. Yeah. Like, I'm looking at you guys right now.

And I know Rob is, sometimes we sit there and go, oh, that song sucks. that movie was a piece of shit that was do you find yourself trying to get better are you rude like now i found myself rooting for people like hey good for him good for her it's a better energy it's healthy there was a sure there was a time of my life where i'm sure i was like well am i not doing that role what i should have been like to you're an idiot but you're young and stupid you did you go through that stage it's a very sort of specific niche where and i find myself being a hater and that's usually with horror just because i'm a huge horror geek and I want horror to be better

and I don't settle for a decent horror movie being heralded as like, oh my gosh, this is a game changer. Like, I can't do it. Why are we not hanging out? Do you understand that that's exactly my mentality with horror? Yeah. I watch John Heater, you know, Napoleon Dynamite.

He and I and his Mormon friends and my non-Morman friends watch horror movies every week one night, B movies, things that are more obscure. We look for great horror movies, and usually we don't find them. But when a good movie comes, like, the hereditary came, you know, that they said this is going to be the biggest movie. And I liked it, but I was, the hype wasn't, you know.

It's a first act in search of a movie. But I think, but I think the problem is with, with horror movies in the 70s, in the 60s, even the 80s, early 90s, there's the technology. You didn't have a cell phone to call for help. There was sort of a helplessness, and that's missing.

And so when you can find that on those rare, those rare movies... Without having to set it in period. It's sort of cheating. It's cheating, but it does get rid of it. And it's hard to be original. But yes, there are very few horror movies that I just shit my pants on.

Yeah. Well, somebody here just directed a horror movie. Rob? I don't know you directed horror I want to hear about it I want to hear about it now James let me hear about this No I just

Why just assume he's a James Well you just Ain't this something Well you know what I was gonna bring this up Wow I'm gonna go back to you this It's called bloody tap dancer

It's called bloody tap dance I would see that That's an original title No it should be grass smoking Yeah Jazz cats Jazz cats No I just wrapped

Friday night up to a little... It's a Blumhouse Hulu team-up. They're doing 12 standalone features each loosely based on a holiday. So there'll be one each month. Just say yours is an Easter.

No, mine is March. It'll air in March for International Women's Day. Nice. It's one of those things where you had to sign confidentiality. You get to not talk too much about the plot and stuff. And to be fair, you pull a couple threads and it kind of ruins the movies for anybody who hasn't seen it. Yeah. But what I can say is I was humbled and surrounded by so many talented people and we took a very ambitious project and made it in about 15 days for a bag of peanuts.

Two questions. Yeah. One, are there at least three moments where you go, holy shit? Yes. That's all I want. Number two, could I potentially be in your next one? Yes. Yes.

His next one is going to be called Jazz Cats. Jazz Cats. Bloody Jazz Cats coming to you. Yeah. So it's funny is you went on to, so that psych was really like you say, that was the moment. Yeah. It changed everything. Got you to be able to direct more.

And Dulay, you were already a success story in terms of like your career. You were the biggest shows ever. Yeah, I was definitely, yeah. But you were always working. Since your kid, you were on telethons and tap dancing with, I mean, who does that? What a bizarre. What a bizarre thing. Since you were a kid, man.

You were on the telethon circuit. What's his name? What's his name? I read about it. What's his name? Jerry Lewis. That's just, you're 10 years old, right?

What was I doing at 10 years old, Rob? What were you doing? That's funny. Okay. He gives me, do you notice how when I give him a say something, he gives me a direct answer? Oh, I was school? I was in school.

There's no school. I was doing school. I mean, but what I'm trying to say is like, You were working at a young age. You were doing already big things. The telethon might not have been the biggest. I didn't know where to go. Fuck you, Roday, Rodriguez.

Yeah, man, I started at a young age. I started at the age of 10. It was my first gig. When were you making money? Age of 10. I understudied Savian Glover on Broadway and the tap dance kid. And then I did the lead on the national tour for a year with Harold Nicholas of the Nicholas brothers.

But I mean, I didn't really know what it was. at the time I was really doing it because I had the opportunity and I love to dance and I thought it was something fun. But I'm very aware that my journey has been a blessed journey. There's no confusion in my mind.

I don't take myself too seriously. I don't take the journey. I don't chalk it up as my own, like this is what I did. I'm like, no, 10 years old, you went a show called The Tapton's Kake came to your dance school. You tapped and saying he's got a whole world,

he's got the whole world in his hands. And next thing you know, you're studying Saviang Glover on Broadway. Who wasn't Saviion Glover at the time? he was just he was another cat who got a gig he was DJ victory yeah but I mean it's been a blessed journey then one thing has led to another has led to another I've gone through some droughts of not working but not long droughts and then when I'm I've set to go for years of trying to get on television I would test for stuff not get not get jobs and

things and this and that and then when I finally do get a job it's the West Wing it's not like I read the script and said you know what this is the one I'll do you know what call Call up Aaron Sorkin and John Wells and tell them, yes. You had to work at it. You had to audition. You had to make this happen. I wanted a job, but I had about maybe two months left of money left to pay my rent. I just wanted a job.

I mean, I don't care whether it, I'm thankful it was the West Wing on NBC. But if it was on UPN, if it was anyway, if it was, what? WB, CW? Yeah, what was a Pax TV? Is that still around? I don't know if it's still around. But anything on television I would have done. Isn't it amazing how when you're younger, I didn't give a shit.

They're like, hey, we're going to do a spec commercial. What's that? Cool. It's not a real commercial. We're going to try and sell it and make a real commercial, but we'd like to use you and you're not getting money and you're going to pay for your own lunch. And I do it. Right. Because I'm thinking in my head, that's going to become the biggest thing ever. I always thought all these little things, which they, it's all part of it. And then you get older and you're kind of like, I don't want to do those little little things as much. Well, because you did it already. You know, to me. Yeah, you kind of did it. But where did that ambition go? For me, I'm talking to myself right now. Oh. Like, you know, I don't know. I got so excited when I was younger about everything. What is that? You had to create real estate for the podcast, man. Am I right? Yeah, exactly. Maybe so.

Rob knows I'm right. Yeah. You knew your strengths, maybe. Maybe you didn't want to do this, but he went on to direct and write and do all these things. And you're like, I want to act. I want to dance. Did you want to direct? Did you want to do all that?

I still don't have a real ambition to direct. I mean, over time, I would like to produce more because I think I just like that. of the business, but I don't have an ambition to really direct or to write. See, I think that's For me, I enjoy doing theater. I want to do more theater. I want to find more opportunities where I can dance

because I really enjoy tap dancing. I want to keep spreading out the breath of what I'm doing. You know, Gus is a character, Charlie's a character. What I'm doing now, Alex Williams is a character. Suits? I want to keep, yes, I want to keep just expanding it out. Because for me,

it's less about just doing television, like keep doing the same thing over and over again, I really am trying to create something that over time that people will look at and say the breadth of the work that he has done is very impressive. Like, wow, he did this and he did that and he played this guy and he played that guy and he played that guy and he danced here and then he sang here and then he did this comedy. He did this drama. Yeah. How important is it? That's interesting you say that because like when you said, when you were speaking just now and you had passion, but you were thinking, well, people will think this and people will think this and people will think this.

and how much is that really for you that you love doing this because sometimes it gets convoluted Well it's expression because an artist You want people to respond As an artist you look at it Yeah I mean to me it's like Yes I dance for myself

But when I dance I'm sharing something Yes I act for myself Or when I want to take you on an emotional journey Yeah So that's why when I say when people look at I want them to be on this journey with me Of like wow Like the work affected in different ways

The way Syke has affected people in certain way The way West Wing has affected people in certain way the way people who have experienced has been in the dynamic where I'm dancing it's all energy it's all affecting people

if it's in isolation if it's just me in a room by myself doing it it's a wonderful thing but if it's just that then it's just for myself as soon as I step out the door and I put it on the screen

put it on the stage put it on wax put it anywhere it then becomes a two-way street I'm there is an interaction happening here as an artist and the person receiving it right it's not just about me

I answer really great you know did you ever have that feeling i want to be a star i want to be this i want to be you guys never you both shaking your head immediately rob no i know that i knew that answer but so was there never like i want to be a star i want to make money i want fame i want this was it always art honestly was it always art i was ready man i was ready to do to be a somewhat anonymous new york theater actor because i felt like that's that's why i started acting that's i fell in love with theater first. And I think that it's, uh, there's a, there's a

purity and I think there's a dignity to that road. And, uh, I don't know. I mean, for myself, I would say, it's not that I like I wanted to get on television and I want to do films and I want to be on stage. But the idea of being a star or I want to be that guy. I want to walk into a room and everybody knows

me. I want to walk down the street and the world is cheers to me. That kind of thing. Yeah. That has never been an ambition for myself. It's, I want to be able to play roles that are exciting and engaging and challenge me and scare me. I'm not going to lie to you. I've had that. You've had that.

I've certainly had that level of success. I've certainly had where I'm in college and I'm doing plays and I did Broadway, off Broadway and Wade the Fuck Off Broadway, New Jersey Broadway. And, you know, we've all done that. Rob, can you go on Broadway.com and see what's playing way the fuck off Broadway right now? Rob, you don't actually have to do that. It's called Sark. chasm and belittling no but there was a time where it's like oh my god I love

reservoir dogs I want to be in the I want to be the ostrich someday I want to be fucking I want to be fucking famous I want to be but I loved acting at the same time I love what I was doing but I wanted to sort of be famous there were those moments and as I got older I started to realize sort of what was really important right and so now I don't have that feeling anymore like I used to like I want to be famous I want to I just feel like I just want to be happy I want to do things that make me happy I want to be around people surround myself

people that make me happy do you think anyway that's that's I also had tremendous social anxiety when I was a younger man and that and the idea of fame or celebrity was terrifying all right this this is this is where I want to go now you just hit it because this is always goes

gets into therapy that's where I hope it goes into I hope it goes into anxiety and we can edit this down to like just the anxiety because everybody deals with it yeah Jennifer Love Hugh was just on and she goes by love love and she's amazing and it was amazing to hear her story and like all these people and how do you deal with anxiety how did you deal with anxiety while you were working never never never well working I it was for me it was pretty intensely like sort of myopically exclusive to outside of work to up fronts TCA's photo shoots interviews all that kind of stuff

podcasts podcasts weren't around back then it was a joke and the first oh sorry and the uh that's a good one and yeah the early years of psych were obviously a huge blessing but also a struggle for me sort of on the side and and you judge yourself and you feel silly because it's like oh my life I'm on a show that people love and I have to go and promote it, you know, poor me. Like, how can I possibly get through this?

And from the outside, looking in, it's such a ridiculous champagne problem. But the truth of the matter is, like, ah, I, you know, I don't like taking pills. And I didn't know exactly how to push through that. And I owe a lot of my evolution in that area to DeLay. And he knows this. He really sort of carried the psych, that side of. psych for the first handful of seasons while I was sort of figuring out figuring out how to not be a disaster so my question was and you just answered it was how aware were you of this that this was

going on that he really didn't and said that he didn't like it he just didn't feel comfortable doing these things I was very aware because he said it did he say it on air no I mean like oh he said it to you do this thing. Delay, please do this. Delay, please do this interview. I mean, it wasn't rocket science. It's like, okay. Did you ever go, why is anxiety?

This is cool. No, no, because I got that. I mean, years ago, I'd done a guest spot on a sitcom. I walked to do my work. My head would be down, walked out, did my scene, walked off. The audience is all right there. I'm not paying them any mind. I'm just minding my own business.

I'm coming to do my job. And I remember my manager, my agent came to me afterwards and said, you were great on the show, but Deulay, you didn't interact with anybody at all. And I'm like, no, I'm here to do the work. Yes, Deulay, but like they kind of explain to me, these people are the reason why you have a chance to do the work. They're here sitting inside the studio because they want to engage you. You have to, it's more than just going and doing the lines. And I was like, well, that's not me.

They said, well, you have to figure out a way to reconcile that within yourself because that's what a part of this is. Not saying you have to be the, you know, the yak, yak, yak guy, but you have to find a way to open up to people because that is a part of it. It took me a long time, but over time I figured. out just how can I still be comfortable within myself and still engage people yeah so I understood that when you get into a room full of people and it's like I don't want to talk to all of you I think I overcompensate I think my whole life I've overcompensated I think I've I never truly feel and this is a surprise probably to everybody but I think that if they know me well enough they realize I feel like I have to be the center of attention or just be funny and beyond because being me that's how I felt

for years isn't enough and if i just am in the room i feel like i'm like being judged so i feel like okay i'll be quick i'll be witty i'll be this i'll be that i'll be like and then i'm fucking exhausted and i'm like what are what am i what am i doing why do i do it and then you know my therapist says that's part of you this is who you are you're an entertainer i'm like even when i go on set and i'm in every scene of the day i want to go out and talk to ron the fucking car washer and go Ron! Why are you using so much energy? You have four scenes left

and you're rocking on with Ron car washer. And so I just, I never have understood this. I go to therapy. I deal with this. I remember my manager who I fired years ago and I've only been with two managers in my life. He says, you've got to go to the Golden Globes. I'm like, well, that's funny because I don't think the show I'm on is in the Golden Globes. I don't think we got nominated. He's like, well, I think it would just be really good for you. I'm like, good for who? I'm not in any anything. I'm just going to show up. I think being seen, being seen as a guy who's not on a show that's not

fucking nominated, this is where I should go. They're like, listen, I'm your mess. Show up in places where the paparazzi are. You need to be seen. Stir some drama. Do something with your life. And I don't. You won't see many pictures. You won't see many. I don't show up. You know, you hear about those actors who call up and go, Deulay Hill will be at the snotts, uh, Barry Farms over on Melrose for lunch uh whatever right and then you know you some it's you calling obviously and then they're taking i don't know i sounded like that but yes okay well you obviously you put on a voice thank you oh yes that's right thank you james i guess this is not delay hill this is not do it be be you pretending you're calling into uh you know to a TMZ or and and and make the call

oh hello uh yes uh this uh this uh this is umz the CMZ yes this is not do Leo, I'm just letting you know that I'm going to be at Lookout Mountain over there, looking out on the mountain. It's still pretty silky, though. I would go to something that was ridiculous, you know, that they might not even understand what I was saying. But they just get the name. TMZ, can I help you? Yes, my name is French from. Okay.

Um, you should know that food daily or day goodbye. I can't understand you. Yeah, how do you get them to be there if they can understand you, though? That's why nobody ever shows up, you guys. Rob, give me yours. You mean when you make me call restaurants?

I've never done that, ever. But this would be mine. Hey, TNZ, hey, it's Michael Rosenbaum. Yeah, I was on the show. Yeah, I'm going to be at Burger King at two. So I don't know what you guys are up to But if you got nothing better to do Oh, that's funny

That's funny So going back to Like being in a room full of people Or whatever, being engaging people If I make it about you Then it allows me to be more comfortable About myself being here Right

It's about you like hey what's happening And the fact of you wanting to talk to me I'm giving you Like I'm with you in this moment Like here we are What do you want to talk about? I'm curious about what's going on in your life or even what this moment is.

Instead of me being in my head about me standing here in a room full of people, talk to people I don't know. So you're present? I guess that would be the word. You're being present. Yes, I guess that would be the word. Which I am learning over the last couple of years.

Do you guys meditate? I don't. I mean, meditation is a wide thing. Do I pray? Yes. Do I, do I, for me, I feel like a lot of my meditation is like when I'm in the studio, just dancing.

Because I just zone out. And I just, I'm in my own. world and whatever is going on inside me i can just be what's that for you uh it's probably a combo it's a mashup of uh three minutes of cryotherapy and explain cryotherapy in like 10 words freezing yourself for three minutes is it brutal to start out doing that depends on what your relationship is with the cold i love it so it's a place it's a place where i can literally go and be at peace uh for three minutes but Yeah, it's like negative 250 degrees or something crazy.

And you sink, you go in and out, in and out? No, you just stand in like a, you stand in a box, like a freezer, basically. And it's, is it dangerous? It's not dangerous. If you stay in for too long, it would be dangerous. So three minutes. Three minutes, they're there to open the door and make sure that you're okay, and you can leave it anytime. And it's great for cell regeneration and stress, getting old.

How about neck issues? Absolutely. I would recommend it highly for anything muscle related. Can you give me, like, if I email you, you tell me where to go? Absolutely. And I'll probably be a little anxious on the first time. Yeah. So could I maybe do three seconds instead of three minutes?

You could probably, the most, the least you can do while I still getting the benefits, I think is a minute and a half. So you have to hang for 90 seconds. I can't have an ice cube in my mouth for five seconds. I'm like, oh my gosh, it's cold. It's so cold. Yeah. But that's a really, that's a very happy, healthy place for me. And so is the, you know, 20 minutes a day that I.

I dedicate to my fantasy sports lineups. You don't go to therapy? Never have. Never once. That's not true. I've done some couples therapy. Couples therapy. Do you think that helped?

Absolutely. Are you a good listener? I like to think of myself as a pretty good listener, yeah. Are you a good listener, do I think I am. Rob, is Rosenbaum a good listener? No, terrible listener. I think it was a yes or no answer. I don't know if terrible was.

You need to be in there. You know, if you ask you, you know, the girl I'm hanging out with, hey, is Michael good in bed? She could easily say, yeah or no. She doesn't need to say terrible or. It's tough to be a good, it's tough to be a good listener when you're overcompensating. That's fair to say, right? Is it?

But you know what? I am trying to become a better listener. I am, here's the thing. I'm the best listener. I'm the best friend family member you could have when you really need me to listen. when it's really important it's sort of like these trivial I won't say trivial but sort of what's the word

things that really don't matter don't matter if somebody's just going like you know they matter to me Rosenbaum but they can't matter all the time do you have a little bit of ADD is that yeah well that's that's not really your fault then man but isn't that doesn't everybody say they have ADD but I do I think it's a real it's a super real thing

what do you think I have ADD I mean I have a best friend who has it and I don't bother telling him meaningless stuff that's you just sort of learn like just don't talk to them unless you have something to say yeah it's been five years how are you man i just want to invite you to my wedding you say stuff that that's meaningful you know how old are you uh i'm 42 you're 42 you're 43 43 you're married this is your second marriage yes first one lasted while yes and that just just didn't work out in the end obviously you don't talk anymore well with my ex yeah no not really there's no

No love loss. Love loss, like, it's all as well in the world. All as well in the world. What am I going to do? Hey, how are you doing? Hey, what's going on? Just have a check on you. Stupid question. At this point in life, at this point in life, you know, we both have gone on to the next chapter of our lives and living happy lives.

I just can't, like, I want to get married. Rob's married. James, you've never been married. No, sir. Do you think you'll get married? If it has to be like a betting answer, right now, I would probably lean towards no. Why is that? The institution of marriage is not something that I necessarily feel like I need to check as a box.

I guess if I met somebody who was like, okay, this is my person and it was very important to that person that we'd be married, sure. It's not a dragon that I'm going to chase. I think we have that in common where it's like, you know, I love the idea of being with someone forever. That'd be great. I mean, it's scary. And it's like, oh, my God, forever is forever, right? That's like, you know. But I think like when you meet somebody, you're like, hey, this feels right.

And so maybe it just hasn't felt exactly right. Yeah. But, you know, I just, there's part of me that just worries about, God, are you going to be 75 years old shitting your pants? And, like, no one's going to be cleaning up for you. Not that she has to, but, like, I'd clean her shit up. I'm just saying it's reciprocated. I'm just saying someone who's there for you.

I think oftentimes the people get focused on getting married instead of being focused on finding the relationship. Because as you were just saying road to, I think, as you are in the relationship that is fulfilling all those things, you're full you're being fed life is good you you know you it's like no we're in this we're on this journey I have no desire to be anywhere else besides right here every day all day you know for the as the days for all the days that I'm allowed to be here on this earth then at that point the idea of it is not as daunting so you don't think forever you don't think

50 years you don't I mean for me I think that why I think that at this point yes at this point I'm like no me and jazz like now we ain't we in it to the end you know what I mean that's otherwise why would I get me married. Right. You know what I mean? And now there are times where people do that and it doesn't work out. But I think when you find that person where it's like, here we are, it makes it easier to then take that step into marriage. If I'm not sure whether you're going to be around or whether this is going to work out, then I can see where it would be a bigger challenge to take that step. What are the signs? What are the signs you look for in a partner? What are the red flags that

you just have you, do you have a propensity for going towards women that you need to help? fix a little and they help you fix if you fix each other and you work on each other or do you like someone who just kind of has their shit together who do you normally go out with hmm i don't want somebody whose source of happiness is going to be a relationship with me you know i would love to i would love to supplement someone who already has a thing that they know they could be happy doing and then if we can figure it out i'll just make it better is it hard to stay in something have you ever had where it's so passionate and so fun and the other side could be so bad but for some reason it's better than a little too boring and fine and would you rather have passion and fire

and fun and do everything with this person but also there's a side of it that just kills you or sort of like normal fun sex is fine I would think passionate you you always go passion even with a little bit like this is going to kill me. Well, no, I don't want I'm trying to die. But, you know, it's, I'm asking.

You know what I'm saying, though? Yeah, I would tend to go towards passion. I mean, when you're, for lack of better words, bland, like, it's like, okay, after a while, it's okay, this is, this would be boring after a while. This would just be like, okay, redundant. But I think you want someone who's alive and engaged and has opinions and thoughts and will,

have their strong point of view, even if it doesn't necessarily mesh with your point of view. Otherwise, it's What if that's not realistic, their point of view? What if their point of view just kind of makes you, just confuses you? I mean, but you have to know the difference between passionate and

crazy. Because if your point of view is not realistic, that means you're crazy. You see what I'm saying? I do. So there it is. Then that's on you. It's like, well, you're not talking about passionate at that point. I just notice you have the leg from a Christmas story. Yeah. Come on, man. That's what I'm talking about right there. It's only like 35 bucks. I can get you on. Oh, wow.

Rob, send him an email for that. We'll get you on. With the Christmas? We'll get you on. James, do you want to add on that or do you wrap that up? No, I think I'll just enjoy it when I'm at Deulay's house. No, not the Christmas story. The leg. No, not the leg. I'm talking about the... Make no mistake, Rod. I was

not offering you a leg lamp. That's not what happened. I have a feeling, James, you you do go out with passionate people. I can't do the kill me part anymore. You did that for a while? I've done it a couple times. And how exhausting is that?

I can't. It's debilitating and I feel like it gobbles up real estate that I need for other stuff. And doesn't it just exhaust you mentally and emotionally to the point where you're like, I don't know if I could do anything else? Yeah, it does. So I can't do that anymore. And part of that's probably age too. Like my energy is finite, you know? And here's the thing, like I have so many outlets for, for, you know, for my passion as an artist, I don't know that I necessarily need, need that out of a relationship. I agree with DeLay. I want, I want an independent thinker who's passionate about their own thing and, and, you know, who attacks life for their own reasons. But I don't know that I need to come from what I do, which is already sort of exists at a heightened level.

into a relationship that matches that, you know? That I don't necessarily think that I require. Do you need to date someone who's really smart? Yes. Both you answered that, right? Oh, yeah. You have to be with somebody. Yeah.

Rob? Yeah. What about you, Michael? Well, see, those of you, those are out there. You couldn't hide it. No. It was so thinly veiled. Like, he was so honest.

No, here's the problem. I'm not saying. It was also, Rob, when he asked the question, who had like this smirk on his face like he already knew the answer no oh my god i'm saying that i think every every woman i've dated is smart here's the problem i don't think i'm that i'm that's what i was thinking i'm like did they have to be smart well i'm like i'm thinking i'm not that smart so that's a that's a really good response to be honest with you that's look it's it's tough and as i get older i start to think you know i i start to let more shit go where i used to be like

red flag gone red flag gone oh yeah that's crazy gone but now as I'm older I'm like kind of tired I don't really want to like date a lot I don't want to like it's like it's hard it's hard I just I so I let go with things like ah you know what I'm sure a lot of girls do that here's so that I learned a couple years ago and I came up with with this thing where I said I have a box like once you show me a part of a part of you that I know does not work for me out I put you in that box and you will never come out of that box concerning me. Always. So one thing happens. If you show me something, I'm like, okay, before I was talking about, well, that's someone who's crazy then at that point, if their point

of view is not realistic. So if they're doing something where I'm like, to me, that's something that really is crazy, how you're coming at me or how this thing is going down, how you're, not normal. Yeah, it's not for me. I'm like, you know what? You're in that box, and I have to remember that because it's not going to change. That's who you are. And that's okay for you to be who you are. Sometimes you need to see it twice, though. Sometimes you's got to see a that twice or sometimes 20 times for me in my life experience I'm like no once I've seen it you're good you're mature you know where here you go it's not for me change this dynamic is not for me can you say ah that's not good for me I got to get out of here but you don't do you I'm certainly guilty

of that well I didn't say you got to get out I don't say I would necessarily get out of there right away you know what I just would know it's only going to go so far okay I know for myself there's limits I'm putting on this dynamic because I've seen this and I'm not going to just like jump off the like walk out the door right now or jump off the cliff right now but we're only going to go so far because I'm seeing why why even go so far if you know that it's not going to work out because at that time that's all I wanted to do like you're just enjoying this and you know what it is yeah get out when you can you do that now I'm so stuck up on like I'm so stuck on not creating a double standard that that's where I get into trouble because I'm so acutely aware of my own shortcomings and how difficult

I am to be with why are you difficult I don't I I think I'm a little one foot in, one foot out by nature. And it drives people crazy, and I shake it all about. And I shake it all about. And it, no, it drives any, it fairly drives anybody a little bit bad. You want a certain level of, of security and comfort out of any relationship, something. And I think I probably, it takes me way too long to provide that. And I always know that, like, I'm constantly being forgiven for my own.

shit so while I can certainly identify stuff that like isn't great or doesn't work for me like I immediately turn the looking glass on myself and go but look at the shit that she's putting up with from you yeah and that's where I get stuck in like not being able to leave sometimes because it's like well you should be so lucky yeah to have someone who's who's willing to look past all of the stinky shit that you're bringing to the table that's so true isn't it and then that's where you get stuck but the reality is the truth is it's probably best for both of you to just identify that it doesn't work and save each other a lot of time are you i'm going to answer rob i'm going to ask you this too are you one of those guys that's quick to say i love you no rob no it takes a while

are usually like it's well i'm not i'm not free with it like i don't yeah yeah i'm not free with it even i don't like throw it around no so for me like for example with jasmine it didn't take me long to say it, but I don't say it often. Even now what you're married? No, no, no, I'm saying. Love you, okay. It's funny. I haven't said I love you to her since, uh, let me see that. I've been like 2000. But no,

it's not like in previous relationships, I would just say I love you all the time. Right. So for example, when I did tell her that I loved her, it meant something to me. Yeah. That the fact that I could say that and really mean it. You know, you know what I do? Yeah, so. I do. All right. Yeah, I think

I love you. I promise forever. I mean, these are things that have been bastardized to the point where like they don't even these words don't even mean anything to me to me anymore hearing them or saying them so to say it

you only say it for one reason and I think and that's if you are 100% like your whole heart here it is take it otherwise you just fucking you're gonna fuck with somebody or you're gonna fuck yourself up like why are you throwing that out there?

You know I feel like you guys we do like a therapy session where it's just sort of like observing you guys the last hour and then you observe me and I'm kind of thinking like if you were my therapist if I was your therapist

I would say to you guys it seems like you just you know who you guys are you know who you are and that's what I that comes across pretty clearly for me and that's we're not that young

anymore dude like it's like yeah but I think there's a lot of people who still don't know what's exactly they're that's true I think in life

you just have to be honest with this stuff you have to like really hold up a mirror it's very easy to look at other people and see all the faults and other people, but you also have to be able

to really take hold up a mirror to yourself and like, no, Dulay, you're bugging right there. No, Dulay, that's you and your incyncrasies and all that kind of stuff and you got to deal with that. Or how about looking in the mirror and saying, why are you with this person? What's wrong with you?

Yes. That you, what's fucking signs do you need? Yes. What? Who need? Your therapist told you. This, why don't you get it? And then you start to say what's wrong with me why do i do you experience that yeah i mean i feel like i'm usually operating from a place of knowing exactly what i need to do and then just taking too long to find the spine to get it done yeah it's rarely am i in a place of confusion

where i just like i don't know i think but i'm not i usually know exactly what i should do and you just let it linger like a cranberry song yeah god makes you rest that was a tough one that was a tough one for me. Dude, I sat on Mahal and I pulled over when I heard it in my truck and I cried. I called my friend Shira and I cried like your ugly cry. Yeah. Because that to me was college. That was senior year of high school, freshman year of college in a big way. Big way. I went to see them alone at Jones Beach in New York. I love Dolores. And I did, it broke my heart because my dream was always to see the Sundays, Massey Star and the cranberries together. Yeah, the Sundays are my favorite band of all time. dude the sundays are like one of my favorite bands of all time i listen to them every day all time i see a bf

dude horror movies and sundays are you kidding me james we got to find the sundays they got to reunite the sundays are a rare one man they'll never play the the the guitar player i think in the and the lead singer they got married and then they had two kids and they never enjoyed they never got together and they never enjoyed touring in the first place they just they were they were weird shy people see yeah of me showing my good side this is getting weird um Rob I don't know about you but I'm sorry yeah a little bit should we leave yeah no all right sorry look by the way this has been a real treat and you know what we didn't even get

this is I like this because we just got into some real stuff and I like that and I think that people like will like that about you guys because you know it's like psych questions and and west wing questions and dukes of hazard questions and there's no reason for you to go there There's just like there was no reason for Rob to say terrible Yeah Thanks for the callback What's one movie At Melody Pond PhD quickly

What's the one movie guaranteed to make you laugh Guaranteed to make me Laugh coming to America Give me one quote Friday Give me one quote from coming to America She's the queen To be

Oh there's a god somewhere Is that one? I love it. I know Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King. You know what I love? I love the movie Life. Oh, yeah, okay.

Oh, the prison one. Yeah, I just loved that. Maybe I ought to eat your cornbread. Oh, you can't have my cornbread. Second part of this killing sweet. The spoon was sharp enough. I stab mother. Go ahead, James.

The real genius will always make me laugh. Al-Qilmer. Always. Yeah. Love it. Thanks for that question. You didn't ask him. quote. Oh, quote.

Are you Chris Knight? I hope so. I'm wearing his underwear. Very good. Very good. Rob? I don't even... You don't... Impastor. Funny. A show that lasted two seasons that I did. This guy, all he does is fucking cream me.

I give him a microphone because I go, you know what? You'll be, you know, be there. He's not there. Last question. Peter, at Peter League 25. Favorite aliases from the series psych? Favorite guest appearance? How much interested you'd have in a psych monk crossover is hinted in the finale.

I don't know if you want to answer any of that. That's a lot of questions. Gus Silly Pants Jackson. Jimmy Simpson, Ali Sheedy. I thought you were going to say Val Kilmer. Yeah, it's... I could have tied it up nice.

Wait, Val Kilmer was on Syke. Val Kilmer was in the series finale. He did a quick... We had a character... What was a... I'm going to blank out on the question. We had a character that you would never see for eight seasons.

And it was him? You would address him off camera. dobson and keep on going and you'd be never knew who he said something he had one line and it was and with one line we were like oh vows been in the precinct the whole the whole time it was great like that to me like that was like the greatest the greatest of all that's amazing yeah yeah it's pretty amazing how many guest stars like the great guest stars would come on because they just wanted to do this show they loved it so much yeah we got really lucky that had to make you feel good though huh oh yeah great um this has been an incredible treat for me i i thank i thank you for allowing

me to be inside of you both at the same time again i still feel weird when you say that you're gonna want to see you're gonna want to see a doctor soon though yeah real quickly just tell me uh your handles you know people like to know the handles your twitter and instagram at dula hill nice and easy yeah at james rhoda that's pretty basic yeah yeah rob i don't care uh at rob hollis yeah if you want to say hello to rob you're going to ballers you're doing ballers uh i'm not i'm not doing ballers i'm not in I'm not in season four of ballers. I'm doing suits. Still bawling, though.

Yeah, yeah, but I'm still bawling, though. Still balling, yeah. I'm doing suits. We come out July 18th, season eight. You don't like wearing suits, and you're in a show called suits. All he does is wear suits. The funny joke is, you know, I went to school at Seton Hall University. I was a business finance major.

I was going to go off to law school. Eventually, I dropped out of Seton Hall in my junior year and enrolled in the arts, studied at William Esper in New York and became an actor. But the reason why I didn't go to law school, was because I realized how hard it was going to be, first of all, like bookwork, and I didn't want to do that, and I didn't want to wear suits every day. So I was like, I don't want to go to the office and wear suits every day. Now, I'm on a show called suits about corporate lawyers and I have to wear a suit every day. Make plans. God laughs. Ain't life a bitch. What

movies is that from? I don't know. Ain't life a bitch. Last Boy Scout. I was going to say, if you say it say it twice, it doesn't really make me. Remember with the football helmet? He blows himself away. James, you just directed a movie? Yeah, that movie, uh, can't really say anything about. It's currently called Treehouse. I don't know if it'll stay called Treehouse, but it'll drop in March for International Woman's Day on the, on the Hulu.

And you're always directing. You're always directing. I'm always directing, but you know what? Curveball, I did a pilot this year, and it got picked up, so I'm off to Vancouver, my old stomping grounds in a couple weeks to do a series called a million little things on ABC

Dude, congrats So I'll be back on TV in fall Attempting not to embarrass myself Well, James Rodei, Rodriguez Thank you, sir Half Mexican, half Irish Yeah It's pretty incredible

Yeah Beavenados all those Estados United Dulay Dulay Hill All Black, all man Thanks folks Hope you enjoyed this one I did

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