Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - ERIC MCCORMACK & STEVEN WEBER Talk About ‘EATING OUT,’ Embracing Vulnerability & the Chaos of Sitcoms

Episode Date: June 20, 2023

Eric McCormack & Steven Weber (Will & Grace, Wings) join me this week on Inside of You to talk about their new show Eating Out… get your heads out of the gutter. We go back and forth over our journey in the industry and how - as time progresses and mortality sinks in, we begin to move past ‘the superficial’ and allow ourselves to get deeper. These two were a blast, make sure you check out their new show! We also talk about Eric‘s feelings about the reboot of Will & Grace, Steve’s stories of how the old guard of television had difficulties adapting to new TV, and some horror stories of auditioning. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🟠 Discover: https://discvr.co/3Cnb1V8 🐮 https://moinkbox.com __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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good. I don't even know how old they are. And we don't need to get an age. You talk about it. You talked about it. I know. I know. I do. I talk about age. I like to talk about age. You can't ask a woman their age. I'm like, I did. Hey, my thing is like, I'm 50. You got to be like 34. Like, I'm 52. I'm like, oh my God. Look at that. Don't worry. That's the way to do it. That's you got to do that. You're 34. Well, thank you. I don't know. I don't know what you could do. They've got a great new podcast. Not only are they big stars, TV, movie stars.

They've done so much work, but now they have a new podcast that just is a blast. It's called Eating Out. I know there's a lot of you purrs out there. I just thought something. But it's what it says it is. You have to check this out. But listen to this conversation with them. They'll tell you so much more about it.

They were great guests. I'm delighted to have them in the studio with me. They were so nice to my dog. I hope you see some pictures. I'll post about with Eric and my little puppy, Charlie, who's older now and still pissing. I always sing, my dog likes to party all the time, party all the time, party all the time, party all the time. That was Eddie Murphy who sang that.

You know that? Was it? Yeah, Eddie Murphy. He had one song. He also had a song in his album called Put a boogie in your butt. I put a tree in your butt. I'll stick me in your butt. It's just in your butt.

It's called In Your But listen to it. Uh, anyway, let's get inside of Eric McCormick and Stephen Weber. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. She was a showgirl with yellow feathers in her hair. Bring the down to there. She would meringue a hand to the cha-cha.

We all ended on cha-cha. She was the woman who wall of sound Phil Specter killed. Oh, well, thanks for bringing. The way to start the podcast off with death. Why don't we get into Gordon Lightfoot? Yeah. Well, he's now, luckily he was booked to play the lounge in the Edmund Fitzgerald. Oh, you used that one yesterday.

Don't suppose me. This is, how am I going to get good? I like to say that he's riding that Canadian railroad in the sky. You know what I mean? Well, there was a time in this fair land where the railroad did not run. Oh, man. Have you ever seen a concert? Yeah, when I was 14, saw him in Toronto.

And then saw him again only a few years ago, maybe five. He was very thin and frail. And the baritone part had gone. Yeah. So. Like that picking up the pieces. my yeah i love that song i love that too i love care you know what my mom i think my mom banged him really if she didn't have sex with him she made out with him wow yeah he was i mean he was

back in the day it was in the day pretty good looking guy but she was married yeah oh so that probably wasn't a good thing but they're divorced now we spill the beans on this show i mean we do we spill we what you're looking at me like this step i'd feel unsafe here as you should with all these horror movie post and i'll tell you what no man this is my whole thing i'm so into this fucking I love the thing escape from New York you know and also I've been listening to

talk about podcasts Quentin Tarantino and Roger Avery's podcast they've got a great one really and they dissect all these genre heavy films and B movies and sometimes they'll do an A film like they just did the hospital George C. Scott but then

they'll do you know the getaway and then they'll do kind of odd kind of fringy films too and really kind of break him down really fun. Can you do a good George C. Scott impression? Oh, God. You can only do one when he yells, right? Eddie. It's

not in the files! Eddie. He does that. You all me. Money! That's pretty good. And in the movie Rage, he says, God damn it. Like, God would shit his pants. God damn! There's nobody like him in show business today who has

that bottled rage. That was like his selling point. They also did, he also did, uh, comedies, you know, but I never, he did one, um, oh, the, the Bond, the Kubrick one. That was kind of, well, no, that was, that was, that was great. That's right, that's strange love. Yeah. Also, he did one where he played kind of Sherlock Holmes. It's called, they might be giants. Oh, good band, too. Yeah, is that where the band gets its name? You know, they might be giants? I know, I don't know the music that well, but I never knew where they got their name. Put a little bird house in your soul. That's a great. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. So I could tell why you're, friends and why you have a podcast. It's just like, it's just nonstop. Are you exhausted as I am after an interview? You just want to take a nap? Isn't it funny how exhausting it is? You're like, well, I just sat here. And, you know, and there's sort of the lie, the hook of the show and the lie of the show is that it's not an interview because we have two people on it and it's a conversation. But still, it's up to us to keep that conversation alive and going. They don't have to. They can just sit there and

weight. So it is tiring mentally and vocally, I think, too. But at the same time, everybody knows why we're there and so everybody's up a little bit. Everybody performs a little bit. But they're chewing. They're chewing food. Are they chewing loud? Have you had a real loud chewer? We encourage it. We really do. We want

that. We want the sound of forks and knives. That's right. That's right. We're on all that stuff. We want chewing. And also, we want this. Right. I bet Richard Kine was a chore. Okay. You'd be surprised. No. No. He was. shockingly gentle he was a shockingly gentle truly he's a nice guy's the great he's like so nice

everything's nice it's so true that's him yeah yeah i don't do him you just did that he was very good really yeah oh you have to do is be a little jewy can i say that because i'm a jew well i'm a jew too but he can you can't say that er you no i mean i can i can say it but why would i why would you take the risk yeah especially nowadays that's eating out eating out with eric and steve i mean who came up with that one. Well, it makes sense. We're eating out. But it could be it's a double entendantra, like Mike Pocchio. Wait a minute. Wait a little. What are you talking

about, Michael? First time you've heard that, Eric. You sick. Sick fuck. The other one that I loved, which was I think eating out was mine, I think. But the other one, was it, was it yours? Yes, of course. All right. But the

one that was Stevens that I really loved was mutual mastication. That's what I, that's the title I thought, we really should But that would have got us in Dutch. With the Dutch. The Dutch are always angry. Are they?

Yeah. What do they have to be angry about? Exactly. Are you kidding? What? The shoes and the cheese. They live in such a beautiful place. Fuck them.

Fuck the Dutch. Hey, don't say that on a podcast. No, we're kidding. We need the Dutch. We love the Dutch. You probably have at least one percent of the Dutch you're watching. I love Amsterdam so much. Wings had a huge Dutch demo.

Really? Wings did, no. No, of course not. I mean, look, you guys have done so much work. I mean, I could sit here and go on about all the things you've done. I won't, unless you want me to. What are you going to do with an hour? I mean, it's just like, you know, you're on the new Chicago Med. Yes.

Right? How many? Is that what season? It's like in its 80th season. No. It's actually Chicago Med, I think, is this is going to be going into its ninth season. And then it's part of a triad with Chicago Fire, which I think is maybe in its 11th season, in Chicago PD, which is in its 10th season. How many episodes have you done?

Chicago Dermatology, Chicago, nose and throat. What is it? NCI, Nebraska. NCA, Nebraska. Yeah. It's just endless. Yeah. But it's like, it's probably a good paycheck, right?

It's really good. Yeah, of course. It's good. First of all, I'm grateful at this state of the game for me to be able to pull a decent paycheck. because why is that well because you have a shelf life don't you think that actors of a certain age i'm 62 yes i've got a swimmer's build but you know but i still look like i still look good you do let you both look really good i don't know how old you are i'm 51 i'm struggling i turned 60 last week what and uh yeah here we are and i agree i mean it's just i really particularly

after covid i thought okay that was i guess i'm retired i mean what's we're all going to come and be buying for the same number of smaller number of jobs but it's been a good year old people knocking over a bank type of shit yes i don't know i think that you guys will always have work you always find work because you're good at what you do so there's no reason why you shouldn't work you could always work the question is my mentality is like if i can make enough money not to work that just sounds great but i mean you but you act right i mean so you're yeah but i i you know i did for so long and I loved it. And now I'm like, unless it's something I absolutely love, I kind of like doing the podcasts and traveling and just enjoying, you know, as much as I can. You just never

know when it's going to happen. And I always look at those people that work till they're like 80 or nine. Like Clint Eastwood's 92 and he's doing another movie. It's like, what else? Why? He must love it. He can't need the money. Yeah, yeah. He definitely, he definitely needs the money. For the, for the for you know for me it was it was coming out of the theater it was bred in me it was like you're supposed to one day play lear and if you don't what what are you in this for i don't want to play lear at all but i do want to kind of still be in it to some degree i want i i don't do i want to be sitting around in a in a trailer waiting for my one scene on that when i'm 78 probably not but also that's the that's the weird part of the business that people don't know that that the

majority of her time is spent kind of waiting around. It's spent not being creative or not in a doing a scene with somebody and feeling inspired and all that stuff. It's mostly, you know, eating snacks and or trying to avoid eating snacks and memorizing lines and now scrolling endlessly, doom scrolling. But you're doing, going back to Broadway this summer. Yeah, which is the cottage directed by Jason Alexander. I love Jason.

He was on the podcast. Yes. I love him. He's so great. He's the nicest guy. ever. A guy that is so busy and actually loves

and actually busies himself with stuff that he loves. Yeah, he's attached to several plays as a director. This is actually his right of passage as a Broadway director, so I'm getting to be

in the front row for that. I can't wait. I've missed, we were talking about this today that our jobs were in front of an audience. The sitcom world back then was an audience that loved your show, couldn't believe they got tickets,

couldn't wait, to show up. So it was rabid and fun. And every Tuesday night, in my case, was heaven. And I miss that since pre-COVID, since just the months before. I just miss being in front of a crowd. I started in theater and, you know, high school and college and then off, off Broadway, like New Jersey Broadway. And there's the doorbell. You hear that's a nice doorbell. But, you know, for me, I loved acting. And then I got into film and TV and I stopped doing. And I stopped doing. that live stuff. I don't know what it is, but the more I stayed away from it, the more nervous I got about going back. Of course. Are you nervous going back to Brock? Yeah. I mean, I'm,

yeah, I only in, I think it's just particularly, you know, between the sitcom script changing every week and then I had a show. I did for three years for TNT where I was, I was constantly memorizing long neuroscience passages. My memory was on fire for years and years and years. And now it's been you know, three years of lockdown and I haven't had to memorize anything. And so I think it's just muscle memory. It's muscle memory and just that kind of what I call the gremlins, those little things in your ear that go, you're going to fuck up. Yeah. Here you go. I know. Oh, I know you know the line, but you don't really know the line. And it's, that's the scariest thing about theater to me is just I can know it cold and do it for four weeks and there'll be that one night where

something says up tonight. I mean, did you miss it? Did you hanker for it? I think I missed it in the beginning and then the more like if you were if you were offered some role or an opportunity to step onto a stage and do kind of a meaty role would you consider it i don't know i i don't i don't know it have to be some like i saw a poster of glen gary glen ross that he did that yeah yeah did you direct it no i was uh i was roma in it and this was a this was 2010 in vancouver god you have to be older to do that right it can't be that's the thing was all my my canadian actor pals all realized in about 2007 that we were in our 40s and we were allowed now. It wasn't a class anymore.

We were legitimately a great cast of the show and it really was a terrific production that you only saw if you were in Vancouver, but it's one of my proudest achievements. That's great. I've never seen it live, but I love that movie so much. All the actors, what character did you play? I was a Pacino's character. I was wrong. Oh, my God.

Can you still say that all, wait, wait, all train compartment smell. All train compartments vaguely smell of shit. Yeah, smell vaguely, yeah. Here's the train open. All train compartments smell vaguely of shit. It gets so you don't mind it. That's the worst thing that I can confess. You remember, you do have a good memory.

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I love that. Yeah, maybe I'd love to do that. But it's a different kind of artistic, that's a kind of haughty word, but a different kind of autistic, autistic commitment. It's a different artistic commitment than the ones that we're talking about, doing films or TV, which is absolutely cool and fun, but you do those in spurts, you know, like fits and starts, whereas the curtain comes up and, brother, you are on and you're in it and

you're swept along and it's, I'm feeling it now as I'm talking to, it's so exciting and different from, you know, from doing TV and film, it's a different discipline. Obviously, there are people We were unbelievably adept at doing, you know, film and TV and stuff. But holy shit, it's a totally different discipline and really exciting. Could you both right now? Could you do Will and Grace? Could you do wings with the workload and all that? Could you do it right now?

Oh, yeah. Because, I mean, I think the dirty secret of sitcom is that it's not that many hours a week. Right. It's the writers that work hard on the sitcom. It's the people building the sets. But for me, I found that. because the reboot just ended a couple of years ago. I mean, that is a kind of sprint for me.

It's a fabulous sprint. Whereas I think doing an hour-long show out of town away from your family. Oh, so there's the season of night. I mean, yeah, and you're in my favorite town. Vancouver is my favorite town. I love Vancouver. It's a great town.

It is. But it's that takes it out of you. That is a different commitment than the sort of quick party that sitcom can give. But sitcoms, to me, kind of. to make me a little nervous because I did them. I did a couple of short-lived ones for two years and two years. And that, you know, changing lines on you last minute, throwing stuff at you. It was just like, it was always so nerve-wracking that night or that week that I was just

like, oh, I just collapsed on a Saturday. For me, it was just like, oh, my, I remember they threw like this little monologue at me and they go, hey, and right before we went on, you're going to do this, like, I go, what the I can't. And I remember, I said, my dad was in the, audience and I'm and I struggle I need to like yeah sink in and take my time and yeah and it it was really nerve-wracking but you didn't feel that way I think that that you know for better or worse that's a facility that I have that or at least had that that that I loved that challenge to me it was

like you know when you see DJs making shit up on the spot it's a gift it's a gift and I loved I loved when they would throw that at us and as time would buy particularly with the reboot of Will Grace. It was less and less of that. It was more like, oh, God, what are you changing? What, really? Particularly for the girls. They were like, don't give me, what are you doing?

I just memorize this today. I love the challenge of hitting the audience with something that they can see the writers just wrote. That's a cool. Did anybody struggle on either of the shows that you guys have worked on with like lunch? Have you dealt with actors that are just like, they just can't do it like you guys? Yeah.

Well, well, like you guys. I mean, it's just, it becomes a practiced thing. And when you're a guest actor, as you know, if you walk onto a, you know, a train that's already in motion, it can be daunting unless you're up for the challenge. And most people are. But there were some wonderful actors on Wings that had the worst time. Now, P.S., even on the show Chicago Med, where you're doing all this kind of medical techno-babel crap that should only be read off a label on pharmaceuticals, not meant to be spoken loud. That is murder, you know. And I've adopted all sorts of tricks as a result.

But yeah, that happens. People, but also like a, you know, Pat Hingle, remember the actor Pat Hingle? He passed away. He played Commissioner Gordon in Tim Burton's Batman. Oh, wow. Among other things, an award-winning actor, great actor. He did an episode of Wings, this guy that started in, you know, in live TV in the 50s and won Obis and Tonys and all this stuff. And he was absolutely, I don't want to say thrown, but he was so turned off by.

this loud kind of pumped up genre. You know, we had, we had a band in the, you know, and so it was all about the event. It wasn't just about putting a show together. It was about creating an event for the, for the audience. And he was in hell because he couldn't concentrate. He needed, he wanted to go away and concentrate, but there was no quiet place.

Wow. I went to see, I went to a taping of Will and Grace. I think this was the end of your first run. and and I'd been off there I hadn't been on wings in years you know and we're friends and I went it was like a fucking

it was like Disneyland but even gayer you know it was it was it was a machine it was loud and the energy and was was all over the place and people were pumped out of the skulls and the actors are ready to go

and it was huge it was a huge of it like I'm getting I'm getting I'm getting I'm getting an an aneurysm. Tell you what bad. There was so much going on. So, I mean, it's a very unique world. About season four, Hal Linden came on.

It was Barney Miller. He came on as my sugar daddy in one episode. And he, the night that the audience came in, they were about to come in, he said, you guys still do this audience thing, huh? And he said, yeah, that's what you guys did. He said, no. Nope. We did the pilot. I threw it out. I said, no. And we shot them all with an audience there. And it was just, it was canned laughter. I said, and you preferred that? He said, yeah, who needs all that nonsense? I was like, that's the show to me. That was the fun. It's like a circus. It's supposed to be. So you looked forward to every Friday night when you record. Yeah. Truly exciting. Exciting. You get, look, and selfishly, you get all that crazy affirmation. Oh, yeah. You walk out. Constant laughter. People are applauding you. You just, you feel, you're living this. You're living this. You're living this. You're living this. You're living this. You're living this.

dream that you had when you were a kid. Yeah. Yeah. Did your parents always, both you guys want you? I know that your parents were like nightclub singers and performing. No, that was me. That was you. Yeah.

That was you. My parents were like, although my dad did think about acting in like 1952, but he'd ever pursued it. They were, it was a very normal suburban Toronto upbringing. So they were always supportive, but it wasn't really till Will and Grace, they went, okay, he's going to make a living. Wait a minute. It took them that long ago.

Oh, okay. now he's working. Well, I always worked, but it was guest star stuff in a lot of theater and, you know. He hadn't struck until relatively late. Would you say you were 35 years old? Yeah, I mean, I did a series called Lonesome Dove for two years, but it was, and I got paid well for that.

I met my wife. It was great time. But then that ended, and for all I knew, that was it. That was my series work, you know, because at the time, most people had ever got a series, that's it. That could be the kiss of death. But luckily, nobody saw,

Lonesome Dove, the spin-off series. So I was... How many auditions did you have for that? For Lonesome Dove? For Will & Grace. For Will and Grace was about six. Six in front of the studio, the network. Yeah, it started with just the writers.

And I kind of knew after that first audition that I was their pick. But then it was, it was weirdly before Christmas. And pilot season didn't usually start to late January, early February. So it just felt too early and I kind of backed away. And I don't know. It was just, it took a long time. And then by the time I had the role, it was another month before Debra Messing came in.

They always wanted her, but she wasn't available. And I read with a whole bunch of women. It was a long process. Had Max and David done a series before that? They had done Boston Common, it was called. Boston Common. That wasn't the Shatner one. No, Boston Legal.

Yeah. Boston Common was just, I guess, took place. Was that a school, right? Was that a school. And it was Anthony, I forget his name. Daniels? No. Oh, Art two.

It is you. That's right. I got the T! Sorry. That's terrible. Very squeaky. That made me uncomfortable. What about you?

How many auditions have you, the most auditions you've gone in on something that you've got? Oh, God. First of all, it's been a long time since I've auditioned, and that's not a brag. No, it's no brag, man. You want to audition more? Fuck, yeah. But now people don't even audition for the director. You have to put it on a Zoom or something.

Everything is virtual now, and it really stinks. We talked with that only an hour ago. at lunch that I miss auditioning. I really did. It was because you felt like you had to accomplish something even if you didn't get the part. Yes. You showed up. You saw each other. You saw the competition.

You went in. You had things to overcome because they were eating their lunch or they were looking at something else. You had to get their attention. You had to nail it. You had to nail it. You kept you active and involved in the whole process. And more importantly, you got to show your personality. Yeah. It doesn't come through on a Zoom. That's right. You're probably trying too hard.

You're, I don't know, is either. But when you go in there and you could be charming and be yourself and, you know, and take direction. Well, in those rare occasions when maybe there was something creative going on. And look, I did, I did a thing called Murder in the First, which was Stephen Botchko's last series. Oh, yeah. Was that the, what guy? No, no, no, no. That was something. That was a way in for a little. Was that Dylan Baker? No. No, no, no. There was a movie murder in the first. Yeah, no, that was different. That was Gary Oldman. Yeah. No. And this, this, um, uh this was tay digs this was uh a bunch of actors and i went in and it was at the end of the day

and i was reading for the role that eventually went to tay digs and i really worked on it really worked on it and i just know it didn't it didn't work and bachco was there you know legend and it was terribly kind and there were a couple of the casting people there and i i left and i was really down on myself it was the end of the day i don't think i've been working that much and i decided it to turn around and knock on the door. No. Yeah. And I was about six o'clock at night.

It was winter in L.A. So it was, you know, the only thing to indicate that was that it was darker a little earlier. And they looked at me. They want to go home at this one. They want to go home. And they looked at me and I,

and I must have had something in my voice that said, please let me, let me try this again. Please let me try this again. And there was a moment when Bachco kind of looked around the, casting person that that answered the door and they said okay okay and they gave me different sides for a different character and i read it and uh i got that role you know and that and it was it was it was it was um it was wonderful on a lot of levels not only getting the job but making that kind of

contact with somebody who thought it was important enough to actually have a physical presence in this project and not just kind of do it all virtually off a computer off a just that choice i mean i love that's brave that i had a similar story that was not that long ago i wasn't working either this was 15 2015 and it was a new show called studio city it was a pilot and uh about two sort of based on a true story uh about a drug dealer and his daughter in the valley in the 80s and uh kind of a good that's a good idea because she she's saddled with dad and now i i read this pilot i thought this i have to be considered for this role and i called my agents they called me back and they said they don't see you in the part and i said of course they don't see me in the

part i have to show them yeah we had to beg it was john wells producing right we had to beg john rolls to go in and I got it. I got it. Wow. And they got this unknown to play my daughter. Her name was Florence Pugh. What? And Fox did not pick it up. It's a great freaking pilot. You still have that pilot? I don't have a copy of it. Was that? When is this? 2015. Inside you is brought to you by Rocket Money. If you want to save money, then listen to me because I use this Ryan uses. So many people use Rocket Money. It's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions. Crazy, right? How cool is that? Monitorers your spending and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. And you know what's great? It works.

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I think we're good. And I go, yeah? Yeah. And I left. That's it? I didn't get it. It's so moving. I see what you did there.

I think she didn't do there. I see what you didn't do there. Yeah. I want to do it again. No. You won't. You're not going to. And you will and you won't miss.

You're not going to. Have you ever, what's the biggest tank in audition you ever had? I had one where I went in and I started, I wasn't prepared. And I thought I could just do it like a real good cold read. And it was somebody who cast me in a couple of things. And I looked at him after the second take and I go,

I'm awful. And you know it? And I know, he goes, nah, Rosie, it's, I go, no, no, no, I'm going to go home. I'm going to leave. I'm not going to waste any more your time. And I love you. And I left. Wow.

I didn't even come back. That's a self tank. I just, I just, you know, it was just, you know, it's one of those things. I didn't know. I thought I was not right for this. There's no way I'm getting this. So I didn't prepare. And then I went in and looked like an asshole.

Have you done anything like that? Well, for me, I always, I think I've always prepared because I'm too terrified not to. But the one that was just an obvious one, I went right after Will & Greene Gray. I went into audition for Band of Brothers. I did too. I met with Tom Hanks. Yeah, Tom Hanks was in the room and I could just see in his eyes

when I'd finished that there was no room at all for me. And I phoned my agent and had to say any feedback and Tom thought there was still a whole lot of Will Truman going on there. And he wasn't wrong. I took a long time to get that out of my bones. But yeah, I would have had no idea in 2008

how to walk in and be, you know, a young soldier. Because you were wearing camouflage coulombin. Yeah, but you know what's funny is I remember them saying they don't want any Known actors right trying to cast all on so maybe that like maybe he was saying I was I was already my 40s by that that's not what he was saying no he was saying no he was saying Did you guys ever deal with like and by the way I mean these comments I can I can Understand where the podcast is doing well it has to do well your podcast I'm eating out with with because I mean it's just like this is the easiest how easy is I mean usually it's like sometimes

pulling teeth or sometimes you got to like and you guys just bam, bang, off each other. And it's nice to see that. So it's exciting. I'm definitely going to tune in. Hurrah. Yeah, for sure. What's your question?

The question is, look, get to the question. We know, hurry up, let's go. Do you guys ever in your life, obviously, but like, you know, people, I talk about mental health a lot, but dealing with depression, anxiety and this career that we've chosen can certainly bring you way down. Have you been that far down when you're like, I'm done with this? I can't do it anymore. I'm going to move away.

I've had those feelings where I just going to get away. Were you ever that low or thought, you know, who am I? For me, honestly, right before that pilot that I was just describing was my lowest. And it wasn't, oh, my God, I'm dead in this business. I'll never, I want to get out of it. But there was the fear that perhaps I'd had my run for sure, because I just finished another show for tea. And I thought, I think that's it.

I think I've used up all of my, my good luck. And it was, yeah, it was the lowest I'd been for sure for about a month. So it was just a month, though, but you didn't have to? Yeah, no, it wasn't a long, long time, luckily. But it was certainly, it was certainly a major period of self-doubt. I had a period of several years where things were definitely had crested for me. And I had not given thought to any future. and indeed it highlighted the fact that I hadn't given a lot of thought to a lot of things

that I'd done in my life, either professionally or personally, in the years leading up to this. And it became apparent in the kind of jobs that I was getting, the kind of jobs that I wanted but wasn't getting until several years after some, after I began feeling this, I felt like I was Bella Lagosie in 1956, like in Mexico doing a, you know, Aztec mummy meets blah blah blah that's a good one I thought what the fuck am I doing here what am I what's happening to me and it began a kind of a personal journey when I getting into that of of trying to kind of take stock and and change my ways and live with intention and the moment I started living with intentions very vague to say but things started to happen to me professionally

which were better which were I feel like the result of whatever energy I was putting out but so much my self-esteem had been tied up in the affirmation that I received as an actor, as a celebrity, and I had not thought that through, how shallow that is, how superficial ultimately that is, and because when that goes away, then that went, my sense of meaning, left with me, and I, and the me that I was left with was underdeveloped. And so then began a kind of a, you know, a years long journey to find out who the fuck I was. And once I found that out, to improve upon it, to fix myself, to make myself better. Not that I was a bad person by any means, but I had forgotten, I'd forgotten what it was that I loved about being an actor apart from the attention it gave me. Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny because I've talked about this a little bit, but, you know, for me, I never got the attention. You know, I never got the love, the unconditional love. I didn't have any of that. So for me, it was only applause. It was only you're great. It's only, you know, the next thing, the next thing. And my, you know, my agent, or not my agent, my therapist, same thing. But my therapist used to say, it's like a colander, you know, it's not sustainable. It's like it just goes in and it's gone. Yeah. Not like, you know, real love, not like real something that you can feel. And so it's really taking me a long time through therapy and things to start to realize going back trying to find

out who you are, how to love that little guy that was lost. That's huge. And become, you know, more of an adult, someone who can really, so kind of, uh, it was more difficult. But did you ever, did you guys get the love and all that stuff with your families? Oh, yeah. I mean, my family was, Steven's kind of looking up in the sky. Yeah, well, you know, It's an interesting question. I mean, you know. Yeah, no, it is because I think it goes to everything that actors can be. That we were desperate for attention sometimes because there was none at home.

There was definitely lots of love at home for me. What wasn't necessarily at home was a sense that I was, like I say, it was very suburban. I didn't grow up in a pulsating fame city. You know, I had to find that. side of myself, and I'd watch television through my childhood with my dad, who's sense of humor infused what I, what I loved. But I had, the dreams came from in here. They, they were my own. They weren't, they didn't come from my day-to-day life. But luckily, my parents were, were loving enough to support it. Wow. Stephen's still thinking. Well, I'm just trying to,

I'm trying to be cogent about it. I mean, because I definitely got love, but it's more than just, receiving or being passive or you know in in in getting that love i had to i hadn't and it took me decades to learn that i had to be i had to actively participate in in my own life i had to have a purpose i had to define myself and as a young man even with um the good results i was getting as a young actor making people laugh or getting jobs or whatever and and making my friends laugh and And having a facsimile of a good life, there were some underpinnings that had been neglected in a way. And if you want to go back, I'm a huge fan of therapy. And over the years, I really went back very, very far and found the roots of a lot of behavior that kind of resurfaced later on.

and and I found that I had created kind of a schism between the affirmation I was getting as an actor and kind of my lack of purpose internally, emotionally, if you know what I mean. But I was able to, in fact, I'm not just saying this, you know, with friends. I was just going to ask that. Well, yeah. Do you only help me? Yeah. Well, one of the things that brought us together was kind of a, maybe an unconscious need to kind of connect, you know, to connect and to create a family or a network.

work that wasn't just fun and games and not just based on acting, but something that was emotional, you know, something that had emotional truth and clarity. And those are the types of things that I couldn't really talk about with my father, the type of role model, the male role modeling I needed, you know, it wasn't supplied me, not through any fault of his own. And but, but I, but I, but I, that I found later on. Um, so what am I saying? Yeah, no. Yeah, what time is it? No, I like this. Next question. This is exactly right. This is really helpful. It started, I mean, he and I knew each other 20 years ago, whatever,

and we'd see each other occasionally, but it wasn't until we went out one night. It's a jar, I think it was. And I just, and we just started talking about the deeper feelings, because he's hilarious. And I would try to compete and every what he is. But when we got past the hilarity to the fears and all that stuff, it was like, this is what I've always loved. And what's what leads, probably you, you're the same way. what leads to a podcast is I really want to talk to you.

I actually would like, yes, laughs would be great. But what's underneath the underneath is always interesting to me. And it's a little risky to do that because you want to be liked and you want to get from A to B to C and without having to stop and explain or delve into certain things. Or feel like a complaining or not, which I'm moaning. I had one moment while all this kind of transformative shit was happening, I want to say in the last 10, 12 years, I was at, I think, I was at the Super Whole Foods. And the cashier casually asked me, how you doing?

And I said, I'm not so good. Wow. And she looked at me and we looked at each other. And I couldn't believe I said that. But she looked at me not with dismay or there was a moment of connection that could have gone on, but we would have held up the rest of the people. She could have even gone, all right. No, is she going to give me the Chris Foley? That's right.

That's your theory. That's right. These cashews ought to help, though. Yeah. You know, yeah, go ahead. Well, no, I'm just saying that, that it, one of the things that connected me to Eric and to all our friends, and now to you, Rosie, by extension. Is, is a willingness to kind of go past those, I don't want to say superficial, because

they're fine. But they're facile. Okay, that's right. You know, this. Go a little deeper. deeper. You know, look, time is, times are wasting. And we're at a certain time in our lives where mortality is becoming more and more of an issue. And I want to, I want to get to the real, you know, we've had enough artifice. It's been really fun. You can make some money and friends and on here

applause. But, I don't know, there's something, there's something deeper that's kind of beckoning. You know, it's funny. My friend James, name dropped James Gunn, who all the big Marvel movies. It's a good one. At his wedding. He gave this speech. And I'm telling you, there wasn't a dry eye in the house. But he was so honest. And he said something like, for all these years, I had friends and I had family. And I knew intellectually that they loved me.

But I didn't feel it. I didn't. I knew it because I was smart enough to know. Of course, they loved me. But there was something about not feeling it. And then he met his wife. And then everything started to change. And he learned how to start accepting like, I am loved.

I can be loved, I can love myself, which I found like, you know, scary and also kind of just good to hear, to hear from someone who, you know, look, and he's got it all. But it's, it's tough. I feel like that sometimes. I've definitely worked on that where it's just like, you know, you're in the business and everything's great. You go to the cons and you're signing autographs and everybody's happy and people go and then you go home.

Yeah, that's right. And then you got your dogs. Yeah. What is that Sally Field thing? of you like me, you really like me. I mean, we all, we all get into this business with this tremendous sort of energy and ego and ambition, but inside, we're all terrified

that no one actually likes us or thinks we're any good or worthy of love, for sure. And you don't have to come from some bad home to feel that way. You can be loved, but it's the mistrust. And I think that's why so many of us, I've always just loved being somebody else. That's, I mean, acting is that to be. I'm not going to be one of those actors ever that sit around and talk about my process.

My process is give me that hat. I promise you, I will be somebody else as soon as I put it on. And that's it's play acting to me. But that also makes me distrust myself and I look around and go, everybody else seems to be working so much harder. I must suck. I must be shallow. That's a gift, though. It really is a gift to have that, to have that excitement and the confidence to do that.

And the passion, all those things combined are just like, that's magic. That's lightning in a bottle to have all that. But in a weird way, also, why we're acting, why we're actors, it's not just about the affirmation. There are also occasionally opportunities when you're given amazing things to say that speak to your truth, the truth that maybe you've been searching for knowingly or maybe unknowingly, you know, so that if you're, it sounds highfalutin, if you're doing Shakespeare and you're saying something absolutely gorgeous and pithy.

And if you connect to it, it's incredibly meaningful and it kind of kicks, there's a moment of growth that happens in you, which, you know, actually leads me into the kind of the WGA being on strike, you know, the writers, how necessary they are to this process, to our creative process as actors and also as an audience. how much audiences need pithy, thought-out, well-constructed dialogue and concepts. And, you know, as actors, haven't you found moments of great emotional clarity in a part that you've been, that you've learned where you're able to say something to somebody in ways that you've never been able to say in real life? Or have somebody, a character, touch you physically and, you know, and intellectually and emotionally in ways that the people around you

in real life have been too held or too afraid to express. There's something amazingly, I don't know, basic about it. Yeah. You know, it was definitely cathartic for me. And I think as I look back, it was more like, you know,

when I was, when I'm acting, some of these parts that are dark and it stems from all that shit I have. And it comes out and I'm like, where did that come out come from and then i if i really listen to myself and and i could i i know exactly where it comes from i mean you must have had moments playing with john glover right that must have been you know it must have been funny or superficial or whatever fastled

but then there are those moments when i'm sure you guys looked at each other and something fucking you know primal happened yeah and what what was crazy with john i know you love yeah as an actor he uh he sometimes when i had to go really emotionally and just lose my shit i get lost and i and after it he would go it's felt good didn't it oh yeah and i just looked at him and i was like yeah and it was just a moment just like he's like almost it was paternal yeah yeah yeah and i needed that yeah it was weird it was like i was going through these emotions but he was also there yeah knowing i know i know you're hurting a little bit and you know good you're good touch my heart yeah with your foot Ontario, the wait is over.

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I'm loving doing a podcast you want to do one and uh what a flattering impression of him that's exactly how he talked good lord and uh I said you know Stephen Weber and I would be fun together and it was only then that we started to talk about how how much truth comes out of eating with your friends, sitting in a restaurant, getting completely loaded. Oh, so you drink a lot? No, we don't. Does anyone drink?

Yeah, occasionally. But most of the time, we've been doing our records in the day, so people aren't not showing up necessarily on a Sunday with, but occasionally, because that's a whole other thing too, right? I mean, it's, once you're actually having a meal and drinking some wine, yeah, then it's not an interview anymore. Or it's a conversation. But the conversations ever get lost

where you're like, you're going into deep shit? Sometimes. You're like, oh my God, we're doing a podcast. Maybe we should be, let's snap out of it. That's it. Thank you, thank God for an editor after. Yes, right? But it's often, you know, unlike this where this has been great, just us talking about our feelings. It's very often show biz stories that we haven't heard.

We have our own versions, but I haven't heard Fred Molina tell this story or Perry Gilpin or whatever. And those guys, we could go on forever on those. we have to pull back and go, okay, we have to stop because they're so great. Everyone's got, to me, anyway, the most fascinating stories of auditions, how it got started.

What did it, Brian Cranston say? What did he have any answer? Oh, he's awful. He's not what he's cracked at the be. Is that that bad from Malcolm in the middle? Oh, I mean, dull, dull, dull. What, he had a great story, and I think it was about Titus's show, wasn't it?

It was about Bosch. Right, I think so. Or something earlier than that. I've heard him tell it twice now, and it was just about the how much, oh, no, it wasn't. It was an Aaron Sorkin show. And it was just how much got written the night before and handed to him. It was an interrogation room scene. And the other, I think it was Titus, had four lines in the same.

Oh. And he just had to stay. And it was all Brian. And Brian was sitting, he just, he had a real crisis moment at his career. Like, I can't. this is insane who can do this and of course he's Brian Cranston so he did but but you know one of the things it makes Cranston Cranston we were talking earlier that now he's just got one name he's Cranston and it'll probably be an adjective like oh this has been

Cranston and I've got a Cranston that you know that Philip I give me I need a flip screwdriver I need to Cranston that nut that that he has retained probably I don't know if it if it's with great effort but he's retained a grounded sense of humility that is genuine against what must be a torrent of tempting, you know, power. Power must come his way. And he might, he, he must have been tempted or he may have been tempted to use his great power as this beloved, very well-known, very respected individual. He's very grounded in the show that we did. He's, uh, I don't know why we're so surprised.

Well, yeah, there's a reason why we're surprised by it, because I guess we expect people who are, who have that kind of wealth, not financial wealth, but that wealth of goodwill to go off and kind of use it and exploit people and use it, you know, with the impunity. He's actually, he listens and he's thoughtful. You know, all the things that I see him actually cropping up on my, my Instagram crawl or whatever, are so well thought out. and they are the fruits of somebody who's been aware and who's been present in his own life and is able to glean the lessons from it. That's amazing. I'm like Eric. Have you ever, you know, they always say never meet your heroes, the actors.

Has there ever been someone that you met and you're like, I wish I didn't meet them? It just, did you ever have that? Or who, and also, who have you gotten starstruck? Like, literally, oh, my God, I can't, I have to. Like, or do you get starstruck? Oh, yeah, all the time. And particularly with musicians, you know, when I've, I've had opportunities sometimes to actually ask the real sort of B-side fan questions of certain people. That gets me crazy.

I have to tell this story because it's so unbelievable. I've, David Furnish, who was Elton John's husband. David and I went to high school together. So over the years, I've known them, and I was there for their wedding in 2006, at their place in Windsor. And all these incredible cars pulling up in carriages, and I walked inside.

And the first person I saw at the bar was Elvis Costello, who I'd met once before. And he looked at me, and he said, oh, hi, you know, George. And George Martin was standing beside him. And I just thought, Elvis Costeller just introduced me to George Martin at Elton John's wedding. So this happened.

And that's, that's the most... I think that's the most star-struck I ever was. That's amazing. You know, and you said I got star-struck, and many of you may not know who this is, but you should, the guess who Burton Cumming? Oh, are you kidding? She's coming down. She didn't know what she was headed for.

Eric's got a... Eric's, Eric's buds with Burton. Aye. Well, so Burton Cummings actually... after the guests who continued to have this huge career in Canada. And a lot of his, except for Stan Tall, I don't think people down here would know his stuff as much, but huge part of my adolescence in the late 70s.

And as Stephen and I used to do a lot of charity events, we'd sing together. Whenever I got called to Canada, particularly Toronto, to do this one particular charity event, it was Gilda Radner's, it was the, what's the evening? The evening was called, it's always something. and it was for for her charity. And every year they'd say,

do you want to come and sing a song? We're going to do this big evening. Gildus place. Gildous Club. Gildous Club. And every time I'd say, they'd say, do you want to sing something? And I'd say, every time I'd say,

sure, why don't you ask Burton Cummings if he'll come and sing with me. I never met him. I was just, you know, I knew he resided in Toronto. And every year, they'd come back and say, yeah, we reached out. He's not interested. And finally, I was, I was being honored. I got a star on Canada's Walk of Fame. And the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

He's got both. Dual citizenship. Dual Walk of Fame. But I said, they said, do you want to do anything on the night other than your sort of acceptance speech? I said, no, no, except if Burton Cummings will do a duet with me. And they go back to me eventually and said, yeah, no, he doesn't doets. That night, Howie Mandel is hosting the show and Nellie Furtado got a star and all this.

And then it was my turn. The speeches give it. It turns out Deborah Messing gave this surprise sort of video speech. And then I thought they were about to say, come and get your thing.

And they said, we have one more surprise for you. And the curtain went up and Burton Cummings was on stage at the piano by himself and he sang the guess who's sour sweet for me. What?

And that was. Did you cry? I cried. Like a son of a bitch. I cried. How did you not cry? And my parents... My parents had both just passed away

a couple of years earlier. So it was just like, I wish you could be here because that was a song I used to sing in my bedroom and pretend that I'd written it, you know? I love that. Yeah. That's awesome. I do love that. What about you? Starstruck or any, any moments?

Nope. Nothing? You never get star struck. They're all shit. I'm bigger than all of them. I'm bigger than all. I did meet Obama. And again, you know, I'm like in political, no matter who, no matter what you think of this guy,

I, he was like meeting a superhero. He was perfectly kind of quaffed, dressed. He was hilarious and I'm even starting to speak like him, aren't it? That was good. I love your blank face there. He's like, yeah, I was all right. Keep going. Speak like him.

I finally, I met him and he looked at me the way these guys on this level do. They're prepped in advance of everybody who's going to be at. some meet and greet, and he looked at me with, oh, hi, what are you working on? And I, I, he vaguely knew that I was an actor, and he asked the question, what are you working on? That was it. And I have pictures of me with him. And I look like a complete star struck, like I've been hit in the face with a springloaded boxing glove with confetti. And he's looking super cool. And I look like, you know, these are the official photographs. Oh, yeah. So that was bad. I remember, uh, Tarantino is in a bowling alley once.

And he comes up and he's fucking Lex-Luther. Oh. And I go, fucking Quentin Tarantino. What the fuck? And we gave each other a hug. Oh, yeah. I was just like, whoa! I love him.

I listen to his podcast all the time. I got to listen to it. It's really good. Him and Roger Avery. And also he's got a good audio book called Cinema Speculation, where he breaks down these great movies and you want to watch them. I can't believe it's his last movie he's doing. I mean, but is he's,

but I heard he's going to be. doing television, though. That's what I heard. Wow. Everybody's doing television. Everybody's doing television. I mean, I can talk to you guys all day, and you guys can hear them on eating out with Eric.

You got to finish it or else. No, no, I want to, this is called shit talking with Eric McCormick and Stephen Weber. What? This is rapid fire. My patrons, they have questions. Oh, okay. So patron.com slash inside of you. Thank you for supporting the show.

Couldn't do without you. in the camera. I was like, where the fuck is he looking at? Are they here? My patrons are behind you. My patrons. Ashley R. How did Eric feel about the reboot compared to the original? I felt older, much, much older

than in the original. I loved that I was really grateful for it. Great. There, that's the quick show. Orthopedic reboot. Orthopedic, you're not that old. Come on. He's 78 years old. Thank you. He's 70. Jam and Jenny loves Steve's performance in the

shining. I mean, a lot of people do. A lot of people say that's the best shining. Any fun stories? And did you meet Stephen King while filming? Now, I know you did a bunch of stuff with Stephen King, like a bunch of audio books. So he must have really liked you. Yes. And do you still talk to him? You know, I haven't, we have had a few email exchanges over the years, but he's on a different planet. You know, he's on Planet King. But he was around a lot during the filming of The Shining, and I was able to ask him questions because I was reading the book while doing it. And I even remember, if you have two seconds, that there was a portion of the book that I couldn't understand. It was like a little triplet or something like that. And I asked him what

it meant. And I thought, oh, great, I've got a living author downstairs. What does this mean, Steve? And basically, he was like, yeah, this line is about a bottle of wine. This is because I was standing over a carpet and it had a color that intrigued me. And this, I was drunk. And I was like, oh, thanks, Steve. I was hoping for something a little more profound. Really deep now. He was a great guy. He's fantastic.

Did he express on the shining how dissatisfied is the right word, right? Thank you. He was with the original shining, the Kubrick. He did. I mean, he was, he was philosophical about it. I think he was ultimately disappointed that a filmmaker like Kubrick made, It kind of bolderized King's work. It was, in effect, Stanley Kubrick's version of The Shining, as opposed to Stephen King's Shining.

I never read the book. Is it way different? Well, it's fantastic because ultimately, as scary and fantastical as it is, you can see that it's about alcoholism. It's about the dissolution of a family. It's about redemption. It's about all the things that you don't associate with monsters or Stephen king and the books and the stories that i've read of his are almost all about that even something as epic as as the the book it it's yes it's about pennywise the clown and it's terrifying and

all this stuff but it's about so much more so um was it taxing on you to do that part taxing i mean maybe not taxing enough because apropos of what i was talking about before i i really wish I could go back with what I know now about myself and about what it's like to be a flawed human being and attack those scenes again. It wasn't taxing. I was having too much fun. I was too excited to be there. You know, and it's actually, it's good. I mean, it's more than good. The King faithful prefer it to Kubrick's film, but the Kubrick film obviously is this iconic fantastic movie. Do you both love The Shining, the original shining? I love the original. Yeah, it's great. It's a great movie. It's not Stephen King's movie.

Best moment in The Shining. In the Kubrick film? Yeah. Oh, my God. Look, what's terrifying is when he's walking up the stairs and he's talking to Wendy and she is, she's not given way, she's not given nearly enough credit. I mean, she's been denigated. She is so wrung out, wrung out and out of her mind with, and we've heard all these stories. But it's fantastic.

It's fantastic. but look but you know the my my hang up with that with jack nicholson at that point was that he was playing something that was almost like amusement park size but guys great it happened really fast yeah yeah what's yours i um i i just immediately went to uh to the scene with lloyd the bartender i'm the kind of guy likes to know he's buying his drinks lloyd i don't know why that line i love what he says it was momentary lapse in muscular cordonage yeah my favorite as he knows is when she comes because jack jack someone's in the hotel they hurt danny and he goes you out of your fucking mind yeah yeah i love it i'm just gonna bash your brains hit i'm just gonna bash the

fucking uh it's too good oh okay wait wait you know pranston did a hilarious commercial uh where he they redid the whole with Tracy Ross where they did the whole shining thing it was for Mountain Dew or something. Don't you remember? You got to look at this up. You got to look at this up. I'm Mr. Batchikalupe

from the Aberde Kissela. He played Jack Nicholson smashing the door in and Tracy Ellis Ross was his wife and then there's a little almost subliminal image of him

as the twin girls in blue dresses blue pinafore dresses I'm begging you to everybody's going to watch it's unbelievably great last one little Lisa what song always gets you

out on the dance floor oh yackety sacks right that's the one you should see him go yakety sacks believe it or not because I'm walking on air

No. No, it would be, you shook me all night long by ACDC. What? Yes. If those first chords come up, I'm going to go out and be a lane from Seinfeld. I really, I'm absolutely going to be. What song do you find yourself singing a lot always, like, whether it's a musical or a song. Do you have a song that you're always kind of, well, I'm all over the map with that. Let me think, what was, I have a, let's say if it was a musical, what would it be?

Well, lately, so I'm doing a musical in Toronto in three weeks. And so I've been singing those songs nonstop. I can't think of anything else at the moment. But I go to BGs a lot. I go to Deep as your love. Yeah. Can't it all. On the nights on Broadway.

You know your eyes in the morning sun. Or I started a joke, which started the whole world crying. Oh, I'd only see. Oh, okay. And then that great phrase. I looked at the sky, running my hands over my eyes. Have you seen them doing that, the acapella? Just off the cuff like that?

I don't know. I'm totally drunk. They're on a show. Oh, so drunk. So drunk. They do an acapella thing where they do, how deep is your love. Oh, yeah. It's up the other day.

Oh, yeah. So good. Yeah. Whoa. You just see the documentary, too, is. The documentary is great. It was Frank Marshall, I think, directed this. Did he?

Yeah, I think so. Wow. I think so. Yeah, love them. So it's usually something very falsettoy like that. Yeah. Like bread. Have a picture of pinks.

That's your one of the dance floor? Did you dance by yourself? Like you're saying like, wait, wait, give me, um, make it with you. Hey, hey. Wait, what is it? Hey, have you ever tried? We're reaching out for the other side. Got a wee white.

And if you're climbing on rainbows, white bread. Well, baby, here goes. I love that. Now it's... Wait, how about this? How about this? I found your diary on the near the tree.

Oh, I love that. But you know what? My favorite song of his is the solo yellow. What is the... David Gates. David Gates. Goodbye girl. Goodbye girl.

yeah oh the goodbye girl you know that one no yeah you know how it goes I don't I can't think of it begins I used to make out with Robin Leopold to that so you do remember it well to the bread album

oh it's just the movie you just do the Dreyfus film you just sit and the top had come off where you would do the third bit what about wildfire that makes me fucking cry that song Michael Martin movie

He comes down. Yellow Mountain. Yeah. When a cold by there she ride. On a pony, she named wildfire. With a well-hand by her side. On a cold Nebraska night. It's a blizzard, she was lost.

We could go on forever. This has been a real treat. Eating out with Eric and Steve. You can find the podcast everywhere. It's streaming everywhere. I believe so. You can watch it on YouTube, right? It's no, there's no visuals yet, no visuals yet, but...

Oh, that would just crush, too. That'd be fun, wouldn't that be? Later on. This has been odd. You guys are honestly awesome. Oh, we'll have to set up. Thank you, Michael, for having us here. Thank you for having me.

I mean, wait. I want to live here. Do you? Yeah, I do. You can live with stuff. I have a guest bedroom. You can help me with the puppy. Don't play with the puppy and use all your toys and everything?

I don't have planes. Well, I would do that with this sculpture if you. I would go, I know, I just got that from a fan. He made that. Really? It's really amazing, man. Oh, that looks like something that's existed for years. I know, right?

3D. Maybe it'll come to life one time. That would be very creepy. And look at you at night. There's a question. You can cut this out. But I mean, you're a young man. You have to be bald for so many years.

I know. People still ask me. Did you hate it? You know, for a while, I kind of like, it was kind of cool. But I noticed like I was, I don't think women were that much into me that much, but I think they later on started with the ball a little bit.

Yeah, but Jason Statham kind of made that cool. He's sexy. He's a good looking guy. It's stubble. But it was seven years and it was 10 months a year. Yeah. You know, it was cold up there. I was just aware of how young you were.

Yeah. And just thinking, man, that's how, that's, you've got to be growing hair everywhere and you've got to shave it constantly. I'm grateful, but they actually, in the beginning, it took an hour and a half to two hours of makeup. like they had to shave it

and then they had put these layers to make so you couldn't see a hair line different colors so it was it was like holy yeah but also working with John Glover who I keep invoking that fucker can grow hair

like in a week we need a full we need a grizzly Adams fucking beard this has been a real joy I love you both on that whatever that note is on that note this is awesome

listen to their podcast eating out with Eric and Steve I mean look at this this is the best they are the best they're so funny I love it stay there real quick

Let me get a little picture, and then we can do a little selfie when we're done. So we have a little, are you going to hold hands? No. No. Three. We could. Two. One.

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