Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Felicia Day

Episode Date: January 8, 2019

Felicia Day (The Guild, Supernatural, Buffy the Vampire Slayer) discusses getting into Juilliard and not going, her love for World of Warcraft, and going to Hollywood at 20 years old just to be famous. Felicia discusses starting her company with YouTube, her four seasons on Supernatural, and how she wished her poop would smell like Juicy Fruit. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Rob, do you notice anything about my voice? Any difference? No, it sounds exactly the same as it normally does. Does it really? Mm-hmm. Because I've got a bit of a sinus thing going on, you know, like cold. I think it sounds better on the microphone, though. Do you like me being sick?

It sounds better. It's a little like grizzly, a little more manly. Grizzly? A little more manly? Do I need to be more manly? I mean, you could always be a little more manly. By the way, have you tried the wine yet? No, you haven't given me any of it. Yeah, I don't think I'm going to.

That's fine. I won't try that. No, but last chance to get the wine at knocking point. Tom Welling and I collaborated. It's called Pure Evil Wines. It's a picture of me and him. We have two bottles of wine. It's part of a subscription at knocking point.com.

If you want to check it out, they're pretty cool little collector's items. Your blood, sweat, and tears are in that bottle, right? We tasted a lot, made a lot of tastings, and I'm not a big wine drinker, and we did a lot of tastings together. Tom and I got a little tipsy a few times together. We picked out the label together. We came up with the name, all that stuff. So it was really cool, and it's, it's an original, and go to knockingpoint.com.

Stephen Amel produced it with us from Arrow, and, uh, Thank you, Stephen, for helping us out with this. You know, it's pretty cool to have your own wine. I like it. It's neat. You know who our guest is today? It's Felicia Day. That's true.

Felicia Day, you might have seen her on it. She's been in lots of stuff. Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Supernatural, Bring It On Again. Dr. Horrible Sing-a-Long blog, which was a huge thing. She's got a show called The Guild. Yep, she's got a show called The Guild. What I like about her, she's still honest and open. She gets a little annoyed with me for a second, which I think, which we talk about.

You'll listen to it. Um, I might have asked to the, yeah, it's part for the course. I mean, well, I think sometimes I might ask the wrong thing. I don't mean to, but you know, I didn't know that something, you know, something was sensitive. But she's very open. She talks about, uh, you know, having, um, what was it? crippling anxiety, which was, I think we could relate to. Do you ever get anxiety, Rob? Here and there. It's getting better. Is it getting better? Because you're working a lot more now, I notice.

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No, I do not nap. Why are you laughing? Are you laughing at how I say nap? No, just that you're at the age where you nap. It sounds like you think you're 70 years old. Well, you know, well, I am. I feel like it. My body does.

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That's really cool. What did that? Yeah, inside of you sign? That's really great. We don't turn it on. I think when they made it, it was only $1,400 and the lights too bright. Who made it? Oh, it's way too bright.

See, why do they do that? I can't even use it because it blinds people. It's really nice, though. Who made that? Rob found a guy. I was like, this is awesome. Can't use it too bright. Can't you turn the neon down?

What's that? Can't you turn the neon down? neon down it was fun when we recorded upstairs boring boring talk about the neon sign no I'm kidding Jesus people are gonna eat anything you say up is that true yeah do you listen to the podcast I've listened to one episode that's why I did it I forget who it was was it was it um Zach Levi maybe yes that was it was it cried are you gonna cry in this podcast no I didn't listen to that much of it really we should have because it talks about real stuff you don't like real stuff that's fine you seem like the kind of person by the way thank you Felicia day for allowing me

to be inside of you today. Are we recording already? Oh, yeah. Oh, great. Okay. That was a better, if I'm going to be on camera, or camera, quote unquote, or audio camera. I mean, we're audio.

I just want to make sure I get a good puk in there. What's that making? Can you really do a, I'm sure with all the voice work you've done, you could actually do a real sound of throwing up. No. We're going to make our guests, our listeners, barf if we do that. Yeah, you would. I had to pretend to barf on a show one time.

and then I didn't, by the end, you just almost throw up, yeah. Yeah. I really try to, like, there's times where I'm trying to cough up water or doing something in a scene, and it always just makes me. I have a strong gag reflex. You do? It's good to know about you. Well, it means that I, is that, wait, when I say I have a strong gag reflex, it means

you suck a lot of dick. No, no. No, it just means that if you were to suck a dick, you might throw up. If me, so in other words, a strong gag reflex means the opposite. It means like if I put a, are you putting, talking my dicks? I'm just going off Rob Who's my best friend I'm just saying that if you put anything

Velasic baby pickle in my throat I'm gagging That's a strong gag reflex It sounds like you want to see a weak gag reflex A weak gag freak You are weak in that you have a strong gag reflex in that you will gag on anything Thank you Rob who misinterpreted it

God always looking for a jab This is Rob my producer He's 29 has a kid he's married 30 You're 30 30 now? Did you give him a birthday party? He did not. I wasn't in town. Did you even come to my I wasn't in town? Did you give my birthday present? I think I always give you presents. No, you didn't. Yeah, I do. What did you give me? Wow. I'm sorry. What did you get me, Rob? I always get

you shit. Am I breaking you up guys up now? I just walk in and I break this relationship up. Well, let's go start a podcast. I have one in my office. I do and it's really low-fi. Yeah, you have a podcast, right? I started one earlier this year, but I promised... Oh, yeah, I listen to one. I can't remember who I listened to, though. Nobody's on it. Every week, I promise. I'm going to do an interview, and I did not get my crap together to get an interview.

And all I do is complain about being tired. You know what, Felicia Day, I'm just going to say, I looked you up. I kind of know who you are. But it's like, you do so much shit. Like, you do, not shit, like bad stuff. You do so much that it overwhelms me. No, I know. It overwhelms me, too.

Why do you, like, you're not only an actress, you're not only a producer and a YouTuber and a gamer and a voice actress and I mean, you play the violin, you could have gone to Juilliard. I mean, it's just too much. It overwhelms me. Too much. You're too talented. No. And I think, you know, this is usually, it becomes a therapy session. If you don't know, or look up her work, she's pretty dynamic.

She's hilarious. I've seen some of your videos where you interview yourself about your new book. That was pretty good. That was a good video. pretty good where you're playing the host interviewing yourself that was good that was really good that's one of my favorite videos of that whatever that was yeah and i think you're you're really talented and i just think you're wearing yourself too thin i think people have told me that for decades even though i haven't been doing this for decades over i've been doing this for a little bit

over a decade and everyone's concerned for my house including me and now i have a baby and it's it's called believe me it's caught this baby is causing everything to crumble i will never be an overachiever again, I promise you. Really? I'm just going to barely make it through life. You're doing what my mother never did. You're making the child the center of attention. Is this like a thing that you have? Well, I was never the center of attention. My mother had kids. When you get married and you have children, they must, in order for their developmental, what's the word, healthiness, they need to be the focus. They need to. Of the mother and the father. And the father. And I felt like my mother just had a rest of development.

She has arrested development. So she couldn't, she didn't want to grow up. She still wanted to be the center of attention. And here we are trying to grow up with a mother who just wasn't giving us that attention. What about your dad? I love her. My father was always working. He was insanely driven.

But that's a choice too. But he never was late to work, never late to anything, which rubs off on me. Like, I'm always early to everything, which pisses me up because you're probably late to things. I'm never late to anything. I'm always 10 minutes early. I was only two minutes late here because somebody was in front of me. You were only two minutes late?

Yeah, I was two minutes late. I didn't even know you were late. I was two minutes late, and I will always remember that. Can we talk about how you cut your dad slack because he made the choice to work? This is not a woman, man thing. No, no, I think it's interesting because psychologically I think we do, you know, mom did all these things and didn't make time for me. But then dad worked all the time. Well, that's a choice as well to work all the time.

You know, let me get into dad. Dad and I had not had a healthy relationship almost started my entire life, except he just turned over a new leaf. My grandfather has Alzheimer's. Oh, no. he's starting to, I wrote him a letter. And for the first time, I feel like he's making a real effort, like a real effort since it's been many years. And it's nice to see. It's better than the old him. And your mom does not do that. She would never be like, I'm culpable. Well, but separately. I think they're both. I, look, that's just another beast. We're going to get

into you. What about your family? What about your folks? You probably had incredibly supportive with folks. No, I mean, I have a very dysfunctional childhood. And I was homeschooled, but it was kind of like sequestered in isolation. My dad worked. I never saw him because he was a medical student. They had me when they were like 20. And so they were just kids. I mean, I can't even Alabama. Huntsville. Huntsville. Hotsville. Hockey there once. You did? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. It was, it was, it was, they were young and they were struggling. We never had any money. I had everything from Goodwill. And all our money went to us doing lessons. And we were homeschool because we were not in the places that had any good schools and we couldn't afford

private school and my mom was very, you know, she was very well intentioned, but she's very much a free spirit and didn't really apply herself to schooling us. So we kind of just didn't do anything, but I kind of think that's okay. We were kind of unschooled. Were you just running around with no shirts on and just free and naked? No, I mean, I would pay the bills. I would cook. How old were you when you were paying the bills? Like eight. Eight years old, you're signing checks. Yeah, I was. I'm not kidding. So I was kind of the responsible one. I did. Well, I was the responsible one, you know, but not socially. I was always socially awkward. But they did not take care of you? She took care of me. It's just I was kind of the mom more a little bit because she is very young.

Like a psychic once told me that, oh, you're the old spirit and your mother's the child. Yeah. And that makes sense. But, you know, she she did her best and all our money went to lessons. So I had this weird kind of like, I have all these random skills because I didn't do anything. I didn't go to school. So I just took lessons and I did community theater and I just studied violin. I never did piano because my brother did piano. I always wanted to do piano. But I did violin and I did dance. Do you still play violin?

Rarely, now that I have a baby, I kind of play ukulele for her and I want to play violin for her too because I like I'd like her to learn how to play piano because I think it's more useful. It's way better at parties to have piano skills. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't break out your violin. There's nobody's like, hey, great, she's getting her violin out. I kind of wince when a man gets a guitar out at a party.

I'm like, please, don't. But at least, you know, there is a skill level there that people will enjoy. Rob, can you hang on a guitar, please? Are you going to start strumming? Get me the, uh, get me the Gibson. That's Michael's move. Get me the Gibson, please. Half the time, I just think it's like a reflexive thing that a 20 year old does to get laid.

No, no, see, here's the reality. But you really want to share your art. No, no, I don't do that at parties. I don't grab a guitar. Now, if everybody else is playing, then I'll maybe join it every once in a while. Yeah, of course. I'm not great, but I don't just go, hey, guys. But I love music.

I just cannot stop getting, there's always a song in my head. When did you learn how to play? I really still have it. I mean, look, I play upside down and backwards, which means if you're playing... Are you left-handed? You know, my friend was playing guitar in college,

my best friend of 33 years, Tom Lally. I love you, Tom. And he brought a guitar home and he's like, almost heaven, West Virginia, Blue Ridge Mountain, shit. You know, John Denver. Beautiful. And I was like, oh, cool, let me play that.

He goes, well, you can't. You're holding it wrong. You're upside down. I go, I know, but like, what's a G? So I flip it over. He'd show me a G. I'd flip it back to the way I'm comfortable with it. I'd play upside down and backwards.

And that's just how I learned, which was not the right way. But there's no right or wrong. I guess not. But it's hard learning chords and things and following. So I always used to just like by ear and like learn on my own. And so like a year and a half ago, we sort of got a band together and writing music and playing. I got to see you. Well, yeah.

I mean, sometime. Do you sing? Yeah, I'm not a great singer. You're like, you're probably like a great. great singer, right? I mean, I do opera, which is, again, not a useful skill. If you could sing opera, you're a good singer. I could sing, but not cool. I'm not cool. I went to a hip-hop class one time. I was an embarrassment. Can you sing me any opera right now?

Ave Maria. Something in Latin. Anyway, yes. Fuck! I can do that, which is not useful. Nobody wants that. La Donaimoblete Wally van Chanto.

Wow. But that's really like, you didn't even warm up. You didn't, you just immediately went into the softest, sweetest, angelic voice. Yeah, but what do you do with that? Nothing. Nobody wants it.

What do you mean? You don't do it. Nobody. You know, I'll be like, excuse me. Excuse me, I would like to sing a little bit of Joan Baez for you. I'm a crazy part here. Who are your favorite singer? growing up, her favorite musicians.

Wow, that's a good question. Poverati? No, I loved... Is it Pavarotti or Pavarazzi? I love Kathleen Battle. She's a very high coloratura soprano, and she will break the glasses. I really loved Paramore.

Paramoire. What's her name? Haley. Haley. Oh, yeah, I know that band. That's my favorite. I think she said the best rock band. The Pretenders, Chrissy Hunt.

Oh, yeah. What's your favorite Pretender song? I don't know. Don't get me wrong. I mean, that's some low-hanging fruit, but yeah, it's a good song. Whatever, Trevor. All right, so you're back in Huntsville, Alabama, your signing checks at 8, your dad's a workaholic. Do you think it affected you?

If you look at your life now, is there sort of this parallel that, look, I was already grown up then, and that's why I'm always busy. That's why I'm in charge of everything. Are you a micromanager? I used to be. I kind of broke myself of that. I mean, I think once you have a baby, you're going to understand. I have a little baby upstairs, Blanche. You have, you can...

It's a nine-week-old dog that's chins everywhere. I know, you can lock that dog in a room and be like, bye-bye. Yeah, but you can't put a diaper on the effing dog. You can put a diaper on your baby and leave it in a room. That's true. It's not the same, though. You let them both cry in their crate or crib. I don't let her cry.

You should. That's a problem. I know. Say who's the parent here. Thanks for your parenting. This is Michael Rosemond inside of your parenting skills. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll tell you what not to do.

Because I saw my parent. Well, I'm just, I know what not to do. I know, like, give your kids love. Tell them they love you. I do. I do that all the time. Oh, she's an infant. So she's not going to really understand.

She understands. You know, they say before two, there is unconscious memory. So you're going to remember, like, if somebody burns you all the time, you're going to remember that even if it's before you're two, right? It's this underconscious. So the same thing with love. I mean, I tell her I love her all the time and I hug her and I kiss her. You know, I think my parents could have done more that.

I don't remember that when I was two years old being loved. I'm sad. Oh, no, I remember. Look, we don't need to get in there. But my father was like, you know, it's a different upbringing. Do you have sisters and brothers? Yeah, my mom was married before. She married my dad and they had two kids, but abusive husband, divorced him, married.

Then my dad had my brother and I. They lasted 27 years. They got divorced. My dad had two more kids with his next wife, which now they just got divorced. My sister's in her fourth marriage. We've talked about this. You and I haven't, but. That's a lot of dysfunction.

It's a lot of dysfunction around me. People go, why are you single? I mean, like when girls go out there, I'm, My dad was like, should I go out with, first of all, I don't talk about girls. Do you date women like that? No, but they're like, oh, my gosh, you're like, oh, but they're like, oh, but girls are always like, why are you single? You're 46. I'm like, have you met my parents or my family.

I have been sort of close. I've been in long relationships, but I, I have that, you know, I think I have maybe abandonment. I want some issues. I want people, I want someone there for me that I go, look, I always throw everything out of the table. You want a mommy. That's what most guys want, and that's why when you have. I'm a good dude. Like I'm...

No, no, no. It's instinctive. You want a woman to take care of you and love you unconditionally. Yeah. That's why we're actors. We want unconditional love. Yeah. Is your boyfriend an actor?

I'm not talking about it in my personal life. Are you not? No, no, I don't. Really? No, not at all. Oh, I like this because now we just got deep. We suddenly just got... What?

No, I'm just kidding. You don't really talk about your personal life? No, I don't. That's okay. No. Well, you're talking about your family. I can talk about my mom and dad. I mean...

And your brothers and sisters? I have a brother. I love him. We weren't close as children, which is weird because we were kind of in isolation together. But we kind of did our own thing. But when I started doing a web series with him, I was flying him out monthly. And it was actually the longest time that we did like just a little co-op. It was called co-op to do. We played video games together. And we grew really close together. So video games really brought us together. And we actually kind of held us together as children. So that's kind of the thing. We aren't playing a video game together right now. That's just a critique. What were you playing growing up? We played Atari. No. We had an Atari. We played tank. I mean, we had like old school. Old school missile command. I'll beat your ass in missile command. I mean, I'm not going to compete with you. But you're good at all those really hard ones that are fast. You have like your multitasking 50 things. I used to be good at those. I've lost my ability. What was your game? My game was more role playing games. I like to do, like I like to immerse myself in a different world and just walk around as me. World of Warcraft was the big one that I got addicted to. And then out of that I created a web show called the guild. So I turned. my addiction. For six years that was on, right? Yeah, six seasons. So do you have a little cold? A little bit. Yeah, I have a little sinusy thing going on. So if you ever hear a, it's either Felicia or myself. Yeah, you got. Or Rob. Who's not of that? Yeah, who's not of that? But did your, so did your mother, you remember being loved and hugged and I loved you so much? No, she was

not demonstrative. She was very much like what you achieve is going to be. And I don't think this is, and I think this is a big part of parenting that I'm really, really careful about now is that I don't my love to be contingent upon her achievement. I don't think it was a deliberate thing, but I think when I was impressive at something, my mom gave me more love. Right. So that my whole self-worth was dependent on how I'm doing,

what I'm doing. Do you know what I'm saying? Isn't that something? Absolutely. And I think a lot of actors are raised like that. Aren't I good? Aren't I good? Did you like what I did?

Exactly. Validation means like success and that is so not true. But when it's embedded in your system for many, many years, like, oh, I was good in that. And I just keep hearing, I'm good, I'm good. That's who I am. It's like, yeah, my therapist said it's like kind of like the colander effect. You know, a colander where you put spaghetti in and the water goes right through it.

Yeah. It's one of those things that you're great and then it goes right through you. Yeah, you're never really satisfied or fulfilled. So that's what I kind of discovered when I was running my memoir that was that was kind of plaguing me. And so now I kind of try not to put myself worse in others' hands in that way. And it's very hard, especially as an actor because you're constantly doing that to get jobs or as a creator. but I feel like at least I'm aware of it so it's a little bit more functional.

How do you do that? How do you fix that? How do you, because I'm sure there's many listeners out there who always want everyone's approval. It's like, oh, I did this. Aren't I great? I got a promotion at work. Aren't I fantastic?

It's like how you feel what's important. It's important that your self-worth. Yeah. And that's hard to sort of understand and achieve. It's easier to say, I don't care what other people think. Yeah. And you always do. No, you do.

So how do you just have a balance? how do you make things better? I mean, I try to have things in my life that I'm doing not for other people. Like, I'm studying Spanish for fun. There's no... Welcome to the States United. Wow, very good.

I have a grand quebeza, see? Yeah. You have a big head too. Yeah. Yeah, I'm learning... I'm just learning Spanish now and I'm not good at it, but I'm doing it for myself

and there's no like ulterior motive there because I kind of turned every single of my hobbies into a career, which was great for a while. And then I'm just like, I'm still giving everything, everybody else, everything. so I try to do that and then also having a baby

really I mean it really did change me profoundly in that I know that I have somebody who will love me unconditionally and I will love her unconditionally and so when I get rejected by other things I'm like well I gotta keep going for her I can't get depressed because of other people not liking me because she is there she needs me so it's also living somebody I did a sci-fi movie called Red Werewolf Hunter

many years ago yeah it was great and there was a woman named Roseberry on there. Roseberry? Roseberry. Okay. Roseberry would be cool. Roseberry is a good name.

You know Roseberry? Yeah. She's good. It's a, that's your new dog's name. Um, and she said, well, um, it was such relief to have children because I didn't have to care about myself the most anymore. And I, that really stuck with me for years. And then when I finally had a baby, I was like, oh, great.

I don't have to put myself first all the time. How was the baby? She's 20 months. 20 months. So that's four, eight, 12, 16. Five. She'll be two in a little bit. 20 months?

20 months? Yeah, one and a half. Why do people do that? Why do people go, oh, she's 38 weeks? After two, you got a year. Why? Why not just go, she's a year and a half for like doctor's visits and stuff and come in? But also because they change every month.

There's such a difference between month 16 and month 20. There is. Believe me, I thought it was stupid of it first. Oh, you did too. Oh, yeah. Oh, the worst is pregnancy where they're like, you got an apple in you. You got a banana. You got a big old pineapple.

I'm like, I hate this analogy. Just tell me how long the thing is. Well, and it starts at conception to the actual nine months. Exactly. So you're really 10 months pregnant. Yeah. Yeah. It's awful. I'm 600 months today. I just want everybody to know that.

Oh, happy birthday. What would that be? What would 12 times 46 be? 12 times 46 is... 56 times... 552 months. Oh, I wasn't far off. I said 600 months. That's pretty good, actually. Yeah, not bad.

You're savant. I just had to ignore you guys and think for a second. That was good, though. You're very quick. Thanks. I don't know if I'm that quick. You know, they say wit's a part of intellect. Anyway, I want to get... I'm going to find you the right mate.

to settle you into yourself. You looked at me like it could be a guy or a girl you don't know what I'm into. I wanted to be open. I wanted to be open for you. Well, I'm glad you're open, especially with this day and age. I do like women. I've never been with a man.

I don't. I think I'm. You're not counting it out though? No, I'm counting it out. However, I have a lot of gay friends and I have a lot of, I have a lot of, there's a lot of men that I look at and I go, I can't stop staring at. I'm like, fuck Chris Hemsworth. There you go.

I'm like, God. I touched him. I've touched him. Well, I mean, you know, we shook hands and hugged. I touched his bicep at a party. Oh, my God. He is not only beautiful and a good actor and handsome, but he's a sweetheart. Very kind.

Oh, my God. But you hope he does something wrong. You hope that one of the, just something. His poops are even pretty. Yeah, it's like, yes, poops are like little perfect bananas, right? Bananas. Yeah. They smell like bananas.

That's gross, actually. I don't want a banana poop. What would you want your poop to smell like? I would love. You can fast for it. Juicy fruit. Juicy fruit. Juicy fruit.

Juicy fruit is going on them. move you Felicia days poop oh wow we got into poop I like poop all roads with

Felicia lead to poop dude I like that you're a woman who you know you don't like to talk about your personal life but you will

talk about poop and I dig that you know what everybody poops that's universal yeah Rob yeah everyone

poops is that an REM song or is it Everybody poops see you're with me on that one that's good

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You're trying to get out of that whole, I need approval. I know he's working all the time. No, no, no. Well, he was in school. He was training to be a doctor, so he was way a lot. But now he's all over this. He's coming over. Good granddad?

Yes. It's like for six years he didn't come visit. Suddenly he's here eight times. Has he ever looked in you in the eye and just said, Felicia? I just want to tell you how proud I am of you. Yes, he has. When was that? That was probably five in the last 10 years.

Really? So it was an adult. See, I'm telling you, this is what the fucked up thing is. Do we need to do this to children. We need to do it. Rob didn't hear this stuff. Did you, Rob? Did you hear that?

Probably not. But I think it was a parenting thing. I don't care. Generational thing. Get off your high horse generation. I don't think it would have meant the same thing, though, to a 12 year old. Well, my dad, look, I think it would. Yes, it does.

I think unconditional love is something that we all need in our lives. If my dad, when I said, hey, dad, I scored three goals in that hockey game. Yeah. Instead of saying it was a weak goalie, he could have just said, He said, he was a weak goalie? Yeah, he could have said, hey, good job, son. I bet his dad never told him he loved him either. No, he didn't.

So, but I'm learning from that. And it says gender role. It's gender role. But do you learn. Like, his dad didn't do it, so he should learn from it. But I think he's finally learning that. But was there an atmosphere back then to learn? I'm not saying that they.

Maybe not. There was not a cultural, uh, acceptability of men expressing feelings like that. I felt that, you know, for many years, I feel like I'm the, uh, The one person of my family in a family that wasn't that affectionate, except for my mom, she's like, you know, that movie, whatever happened to baby Jane. Yeah. She's like the crazy one.

Oh, okay. Yeah, she's all over the place. She'll hug everybody and do it. And I hug people. And I think I get some of that from her. But I was the one who my grandfather was very, my dad's dad. He was always really, you know, he was funny and nice, but he, you know, no hugs, no way, I love you.

Very puritanical. And I would, before I left, I give him a big hug. He'd go, all right. All right. And I go, Irv, I love you. And he goes, okay, Mike, okay. Oh, barely uncomfortable. And I go, Irv, I just said, I love you.

He's like, all right. I go, your grandson, just come on, why are we doing this? Why are we? And then I finally got him to go, I go, I want you to say it. I'm not leaving until you say it. And he goes, we love you. I know, I know we, I'm talking about you. And he goes, I love you, Mike.

And from that moment on, I kept pushing it. Oh, open the door. And he started doing it. And everybody started doing it. So if you can sort of just be that person, that martyr, if you will. Yeah. No, I started saying it to my mom on the phone many years ago. And now we say it to each other.

We never said as a children. But it really took. But it was because of the way that she was, I'm sure that she was never raised to say, I love you to her relatives. You know what I'm saying? So you could see the tendrils of. Tendrals. I like that word.

I haven't heard that word in a while. Probably ever. To tentacles. Yeah. You almost went to Juilliard. I almost did. I got into the pre-program, but we had no money. We couldn't move to new.

New York. We were very poor people from Alabama. Really? So I couldn't go. But it's okay. I got a full scholarship to UT in violin. University of Texas? Yeah. And I could have been Tennessee. No, Texas, Austin. And I went there and I got degree in mathematics and violin and I... Did you pay for your own school? Did I what? Did you pay for your own school? No, it was all free. All scholarship. All scholarship. I got a violin scholarship the first year and then I got a merit scholarship after that. So I studied math. And you did a lot of theater i mean you started theater young you were to kill a mockingbird when you were i was i was in a lot of theater and that's why i thought hey i'll just go to hollywood because that was fun not knowing anything so

how old were you went into hollywood um i would just turn 20 so you know i got my degree and what were you going there for just to be famous so are you just said something that i felt was just off the cuff and honest yeah because i think a lot of actors are full of shit and they'll say oh yeah i just i want to work i want to be a working actor i just want to do theatra and i want to do all these things And I'm like, okay, great, there are some of those. I have a friend John Glover. There's certain actors who just love doing theater. First of all, I don't like working that much.

I like to work, but come on. Who wants to work too much? And they can't stop working. And it makes me think there's something wrong with you when you have to work all the fucking time because you don't want to deal with yourself. And that's what I felt like I'm always keeping busy. And in the last year, I forced myself to go,

hey, let's sit with yourself for a minute. Let's deal with this guy. I don't want to be 80 and not know myself. That's great. So I'm going to take the next 40 years to get to know. You're like Montania. What? You're like Montania.

What's that? He's an essayist from the 16th century. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm reading a book on him right now. I know of him. I didn't read him. I'm just reading a book. I picked it up at Powell's last week about Montania.

And I had read his essays in college and I kept reading them every five years or whatever because they're so incredible because it really makes history transparent. Like you just feel like, oh, I could have lived back then. I could be, we're all the same no matter where we're living. It's just the circumstances are different. And there's a book about him. And he basically had a life crisis. he almost died and after that he kind of just dropped everything and just decided to be

introspective and know himself. You should read this book. You know, it's funny is I didn't almost die but I got sick. What happened? For a little while. Well, I just got sick. I'm not going to talk about it. It's not a big deal. It's done. It's fine. But you're better now. Everything's fine. It happens. It's something that everybody's had in their life. Matthew Perry has been in the hospital for

three. But it wasn't alcohol or drugs or anything. I'm not into that. I don't have no judgment. There's no judgment here. I'm just being honest. I'm trying to be honest. I'm giving too much. But I was sick for a while. for like six months where I was just like I would happen well I'll just tell you so it was pretty much like exhaustion it was exhaustion from

overdoing that's why in the beginning I kind of told you like I was doing too much I was doing stand-up comedy at all the big nightclubs in front of 500 people was Joe Rogan all these guys I'd never done it 50 shows in five months I was doing I'm doing live music I'd never done it before freaking myself out still acting still I was on a show all these things kind of combined with the podcast and too much and I just didn't give myself a rest and I just so it

made me sort of get an idea like, hey, dude, what's, what's important here? The only thing important here is you. Yeah. The only thing important here is being healthy. Your health and the people who love you. It doesn't matter saying, oh, I did this or oh, I did that or oh, you know, we went to this. It doesn't, none of this. It's all superficial. I go to parties and people are like, what are you doing lately? I'm like, well, you know, I have a baby and I'm writing and then they get this glazed look in there. I like, I'm not important enough to talk to and then they turn around. And I'm like, I don't care anymore. I'm not, I don't need like, hey, my age is doing this, but, but I don't need that.

You start to go, I don't care anymore. So Michael, what are you doing? Yeah. And you get caught up and you get caught up and, well, I'm doing this. I just wrote this. And I'm like, I don't care. No, I don't need my resume on my sleeve at a party to make me interesting to you. You're not even interesting to me.

Thank you. And by the way, you're more interesting to me. I mean, because you're more like, hey, I want to go home and chill or do something laid back. I don't, you know, I don't really. I don't go out. Anyway, I'm glad you're better. And I'm glad you're prioritizing your life.

better yeah i think it just comes a time where you gotta say hey man what's important you know i you know it's also this friends you keep i think everybody has friends out there look if they're bringing you down you have friends like that who are always sad no matter what you're like hey let's go to a concert yeah it's just like i can't deal with negativity in my life yeah we all we all do that we all get a little negative but my time is valuable yeah or invaluable really yes so i try to hang out with people that just make me happy a great i mean that life is too short you got to be supported and you want to be, and you want the people to be there who will pick you up at the airport on a dime.

You know what? See, I disagree with that. What? Well, let me talk about it. Who could you call at like 2 a.m.? Those are the people you got to invest in. This guy? No way.

Rob would never put me up from the airport. Would you pick up from the airport? No, you would. If you had an emergency, would you pick up? Wait, do you have an emergency contact on like your pet form? Who would be your emergency contact? My brother or my assistant Jessica, who's like family. Okay, there you go.

Those guys, my friend Tom, Bidene. I have. great people I always surround myself with great people but that's what I'm saying you physically cannot you can only have five best friends you can have 25 acquaintances and you can have 125 people you know and that's it who's made up this rule that was it was it's a scientific study look it up rob you can only have hang on you get five people you love intimate people and relationships besides your family I I don't know I didn't yeah I would say five beside your family okay and then 25 acquaintances acquaintances and then 150

It's 125 people you know. Yeah, exactly. But then other than that, your brain really can't comprehend. You can't care about that many more people. You can't invest in that many relationships. And you do. It's dangerous.

It's, well, you just spread, you're too thin. I think that's what I was doing for a long time. I always want to make people happy. I think that's what I was always doing. Yeah,

that's what I, it's a symptom of your relationship with your mother. Wow, we just went there. We just went there. It is. I think so. I think it is a symptom.

But I look, I'm improving. You're always working on yourself. I love the fact that you're so, Are you working with therapists? Yeah, I go to a therapist and, yeah, we talk about all this stuff. And I talk about, like, you know, how to just think more positively, how to be more patient, how to, you know, before you go to bed at night instead of going, oh, my God, I got this tomorrow, I got this. It just puts you in a bad place before you go to bed.

Yeah. So why not think about the good shit in your life or the good things you did today or picture someone that makes you happy in your head until you fall asleep? And then you wake up in a better mood. Yeah. Things like that little things that take an hour a day to go, all right, what? what's bothering me yeah you know take that hour but not doing the whole day of overthinking things no it's true i got so incredibly tired this last because i did two conventions two tv shows back to back not one day off then we all got colds but uh i did really good work even though my

face probably looked terrible i was like uh all that neurosis i was too tired to be neurotic i just was like let's just show up and do the work and feel what i need to feel and it was actually really liberating because I feel like there was something in the way this sort of like meta brain is always on kind of like looking and planning and looking for the and if you're in the present I guess it's mindfulness right yeah if you're always in the future or in the past you're never going to be in the present exactly you got one you know if you stand up my always similar therapist goes you got one foot in the past the left foot the right foot the right foot in the future and he points to his dick and goes and you're pissing on the

present he doesn't point to his that's pretty great points to the ground but it's kind of a It's kind of a cool one. That's a very... You're pissing on the present. He's not my therapist. That's a really good friend. That's a pretty good therapist. So anyway, Mike Gordon, your mother's a nut.

You're going to be a nut. The apple didn't fall far from the tree, Michael. Did you find the article? I did. It was, I closed it because I thought we were... Why did you close it? We had moved on. Rob, you had one task.

What are you doing over there with your coffee? The limits of friendship in the New Yorker? Is it Robin Dunbar? I mean, probably. University of Oxford, Anthropology. Yes, okay, great. That was the study that came out. Yep.

Five people, right? I believe you. Okay. I believe you, but I like the facts. Because if you're like 100 people off on the no thing and you're like 10 people off on the love, I might, I might weed some people out that I don't need to. All of a sudden, the year later, I'm like, Felicia was wrong. I could have kept, I could have those 10 people in my life. I'm saying I have like five people in my, you know, my iPhone favorites.

I'm not going to list the people who are in my favorites, but I do have like four. five friends, and then I have four family members, and then I have my agent and my manager just because I'm like, I don't want to have to dig through this to get to those people. They're not my favorites, but... Do you think you ever want to get married? Is that personal again? I don't, I mean, I don't really believe in the institution of marriage, so that's pretty natural. No, only for tax purposes.

Really? Yeah. Are you a loyal person? Yeah. Do you believe in, like, sticking with one person? No, I mean, you should be where you are until you're happy. but if you're really happy and you want to be happier for a night happier for a night oh you just want to well if you have an agreement about that it's fine have you ever had an agreement no you wouldn't deal

with that shit well i'm not gonna you're not going and looking for guys that are just looking for many girls i don't think guys girls do that do they as much girls i don't know do they i don't know i don't either just kind of random i don't want to i don't want to generalize a whole gender based on their sexual activity you made you figure it out yeah i got these numbers okay can you get the Was she right? First of all, was she right? I'm going to read this. All right.

So, 150 is a number of people we call casual friends. Okay, that's 25 you were off. It was enough. That could have fucked up a couple friends of mine. The next step down is there's 50 number of people you call close friends. All right, 50. See, we've got even more. We got more wiggle room here.

Then there's a circle of 15 that you can turn to for sympathy. And then the most intimate number is five. Thank you. Okay, got one fucking number. But this is even better. We have another classification. We have intimate 15. That's good.

You could still be, wait, 15. But that probably includes family. Doesn't it? That's got to include family. I mean, who makes this shit up? Because honestly, I have family who are not even in the 150. How about hang out with people you love, whether it's four to eight? But this is the capacity of the brain.

This is basically a tribe. This might be the capacity of your brain. A tribe is 150 people. We should only be living in a hundred fifty people. Is that what a tribe is? I don't know. I just made it up. Is a tribe 150 people?

Felicia is throwing these Juilliard quotes that she has to. Modern is 148.4. You're pretty close. Modern hunter gather society. Okay, great. See? But that is a reflective of that study, right? Did you ever do 23 and me? I did. What are you? I have a lot of Neanderthal. I could see that. No, that's not true. I'm a lot of Ashkenazi. It's just the red. The red hair. I don't even know. I love the red hair, by the way. It's perfect. And it's your real hair, right? It is. It's a little bit red. I make it popier. Were you one of those redheads who were like By the way, in Australia they call them Rangers I'm more of like an Auburn hair My hair was brown with a lot of red in it And then I make it redder

So I wasn't like a ginger when I was growing up But did you hate like I have red hair Did you hate like that feeling that? No Did you feel that pressure of being like you know No I wasn't exposed to anybody who judging me for right? Yeah who would judge you But I don't know what it is

I don't think I even liked I didn't care It's not that I didn't like them But I think that when I got older I just started liking different things Like I was like well I really love red hair It was beautiful. I just started seeing the beautiful and everything.

So as a kid, did you, like, bully people? Because I never bullied people. I might have bullied one guy. Who? But then he bullied. Then I got, but here's the thing. I grew very early, but then I stopped growing until after high school. So I was the shortest kid in my high school and I was picked on and bullied.

But early on, when I was like in fifth grade, I didn't bully someone, but there's this one. I mean, you can be honest about it if you bullied somebody. Okay. I went over his house and I knocked on his door and told his mom to get his ass outside so I could beat him up and uh he was bigger than me why because he called me a little shit and then i i so i guess that's not bullying that's not bullying that's kind of like yeah but i was like the little guy who's like going i'm gonna kick your fucking ass buddy you kind of wear a little shit i was a little shit did you beat him up what does mom do i got scraps when i was young but then after sixth grade i

didn't grow and i became like that little kid that was now picked on you harass other people because of who they were or what they look like that's that's that's my definition of um no well you know what i think everyone goes through, look, I'm not going to sit here and lie and say I'm a perfect kid. But there's certainly, you know, you're in high school or whatever and you're like, oh my God, look at that guy's shoes. Oh my God, what is that guy? What's that lump of coal?

Isn't that interesting how our instinct that's children is to shame other people who are different? I'm telling you, it's like I was always a pretty good kid because my parents wouldn't tolerate it. They wouldn't tolerate racism, they wouldn't tolerate a lot of that bullshit. Did I ever say, oh my God, like sort of make, you know, judge someone? Of course. You've judged people.

Of course. He probably judged the whole Emmy night last night. I, you know what? I don't like watching the ceremonies because they do. I don't enjoy it. And then I start comparing myself to people. But I do look at all the pretty dresses because I'm an asshole like that. Really?

And Michelle Dockery had the most beautiful dress I've ever seen. She was the one from downtown Abby. She had the most beautiful dress I've ever seen in my life. And she looks so pretty. I was like, you know what? That's really, I'm pleased. I saw some beauty tonight. What do you think about accolades and awards and all that stuff?

I mean, I feel like they're pretty. arbitrary. Do you like getting awards? Do you feel good? It made me feel good. I think it used to make me feel like, oh, wow, I made it. But now if I got awards, I think I would just, I think I look more of it a long game, you know, like, oh good, I worked really hard. I'm glad, but what's next kind of thing? I got a bunch of awards for my web show. I got a couple. The horror thing, Dr. Horrible sing-along blog. That's true. We got an Emmy for that. It was the first online Emmy. I mean, that wasn't mine, but I was part of it. The perfect bear? The perfect bear. Oh, Did I get an award for that?

The voice actor awards and best female vocal performance And a guest for her role is Pear Butter in the episode Oh, pear butter, yeah, I was. I was a pony. I played in my little pony. How did you sound? What was your voice like? I was a little bit of a southerner

And I sang, you're in my head like a catchy song. I got to sing a song, and then she's dead. How many video games have you done voices? I've done, probably a dozen. I used to do a lot more, but I haven't done any. I used to do a lot. Yeah, I don't do any more as much. I just did a Lego one.

Oh, that's cool. I don't know if I was supposed to say that. Oh. Oh, well. Maybe cut it out. I'm not cutting it out. Believe it. You know, they don't pay me enough to shut up.

I know. Video games do not. You've done so many voices you've done. I mean, you still have a YouTube channel? I do not. You don't, but you did for a while. I did. I had a company that was funded by YouTube and I did that for two years with YouTube.

And then I sold the company to Legendary. And then I was with them. Legendary bought it? Yes. Was that a pretty lucrative? deal? Are you rich? I'm not. I always like to ask these questions because I know people at home are going, what actors make? What do they make? What is this? And I feel like I'm that guy. I just want to know. There are some people who sold companies and I don't have to work anymore. That is not me.

But, you know, I put my company in a place where I thought it was safe and I could continue it. And I was there for several years. And then I realized that I could not be, I could not do everything. I kind of got to the point where you may have that, especially when I had the baby, I was like, something's got to give. And I derive my most, the most pleasure and satisfaction from the things I create. And so I was like, well, I can create and be a mom or I can have a company and be a mom. I cannot do all three. I have to be a mom because I gave birth.

And I want to. And so I had to let it go. And it was really hard to leave. But I know that it was the best thing for me as a person. I miss it sometimes. I definitely miss making all the videos and coming up with new show ideas. and being able to invite people like you on to play games that people might not know about. But I definitely have been more productive creatively since I left.

And that's made me a lot happier and just less stressed all the time. I had like 30 employees at one point and it was just too much. Why do you think you have such a following? Why do people, I know this is a tough question, but why do people like you? What attracts them to you and what? Because you have a big following and you have, you do so many things. What is it? Do you think that your gift is that you're able to convey? You can do it yourself. I think people are attracted because I made everything myself.

I kind of made my reputation because I started shooting things in my garage with my friend. And it made it attainable. Success. You don't have to have the gatekeepers in the way of your success or satisfaction. I think that's more so because success is in other people's hands. That's also putting yourself into other people's hands as far as your happiness goes. I think you have the capability to make things and derive satisfaction from them. And I hope that that's what I try to convey that a lot in what I do. And I'll add to that. I think that you look like you're having fun. Yeah.

You know what I mean? I think it's work, but it's also like people look like she's not only doing it herself, but she's having fun. Yeah, I do what I love. I do. And it's definitely the harder way to go. And I don't, you know, think that, I don't know. I certainly, I have, I had a very unusual upbringing.

and I tried to fit myself in the Hollywood world for a very long time and I was not capable of the success that I wanted in that. Do you still want a certain success? Do you still like, do you still want to be like a major motion picture star? I don't know, man.

I was just thinking about that the last couple of days. I'm like, I'm not sure exactly what I want anymore. Like, I've achieved a lot. I don't know if I'd be super happy if I was on like a series every day. I don't know if I'd be super happy running my own show. I don't know. I think I need.

I was actually thinking of hiring a career coach. I'm not kidding. because I really feel like I need guidance guidance I think I need guidance I don't let you know I don't think Rob you're fine you know exactly what you want to do with your love don't you go-getter he's young he works hard we you know we turn this podcast into some success story and we're just moving up and he's been great and he's been great and you know it's like nice to see that he knows and I think we like I thought I knew what I wanted I think things just changed like I go I want to be an actor I want to be actor wait a minute I want to write I want to write I want to direct you know I'm going to do stand and then it became like oh my god there's all this stuff because I think I have a short attention span and I get bored pretty easily. Yeah. Well, you got to try it. You know, unless you try something, you don't know if you're going to like it.

Exactly. You got to try it. What if you never tried it? And you're like, oh, my God, I wish I'd been doing that. Because you want to find the thing that's work, but it doesn't feel like work as much. Yeah. You want to find the thing that you enjoy working on. Like, what is the day to day that you want to spend?

And that's, I think, I still don't know. I think that's sound advice, though. That's, that's, what has purpose? What gives you purpose? What do you wake up going, this is what I want? I'm drawn to this. Even if I do all these other things, what's the one thing I'm really drawn to?

Yeah. And when you lived your whole life, like living externally, like, oh my God, it's other people's validation that motivates me. When you get rid of that, you're like,

what is left? I think you and I have the same... I think it's very common with actors because basically actors get into it to be somebody else to make other people happy. Sometimes I felt like I was being someone else

to make me happy. Well, there you go. It's kind of sad, but sometimes I felt like, you know, oh, I'm accepted when I do. do that. They like me. I'm good. But then that's still other people. Yeah, but. That's still

other people. Do you have a narcissistic mother? Oh, my God. Have you read there's a great book called Trapped in the Mirror about children raised with narcissistic parents, which would be very valuable for you. Will you email me that? Yeah. Well, Kayla at Kay Lorraine 326. Are we doing questions now? Yeah. Great. This is the Twitter people out there, the fans, they're just, they're amazing and they always have good questions, so let's hope this one's good. This one's a little boring, Kayla, but thank you for it. Sorry, Kayla. Favorite moments from set, current shows, and overall.

Just one moment that sticks out like, you're like, oh, my God. Wow. Well, you know, I recently returned to Supernatural, spoiler alert, last year. And, you know, the moment that I stepped back on set, I really started crying because I was so happy to be there. And it was amazing because after so many years, I was gone for two seasons, two and a half season. How many did you do? I did four.

I was on just only three or two or three to four times a season, but I was on for four seasons. That's huge. I know. I, but I had such a great character. And then I got killed off in season 10 and I came back in season 13. And like the crew was almost all the same. And everyone was there and Jensen gave me this big hug. And I did, I started crying a little bit because it really felt like I was home.

Yeah, it was a beautiful kind of atmosphere on that set. How many supernatural pictures do you sign when you go to convention? Probably about half of the pictures are supernatural. Hundreds of pictures. But she's a really, you know, I think that show doesn't have as many female characters for people to look up to. And Charlie, I think, was one of the longest running ones. And she also had sort of that fan spirit. She was kind of a fan girl in a sense, but that she became a hunter.

So she was like sort of a proxy for the audience. And, you know, she's just really authentic. She was a lesbian. And I think she really represented something that the fans really liked. So I'm, I mean, I'm, I'm really happy to be her and continue to be her, hopefully. How did they kill her off and bring her back? It's supernatural. It's easy.

That's what they do. No, no, no, I died in a bathtub. A guy with one arm murdered me in a bathtub. Oh, great. Way to ruin that for me. I'm on season eight. Are you kidding? You're never going to get there, dude.

Geeklectic at the Geekeklectic. Yeah. So Dr. Horrible Sing-A-Long blog 2. What's going on with that? I wish I could say something. I mean, we had our 10th anniversary this summer. I did a panel at Hall H with, Joss and Nathan and...

Can you tell Joss? I said, what's up? Just say, what's so? Yeah, I don't know him, but... You don't know him? You don't know Joss? No, that's weird. I don't like to work with him. It's awesome. I mean, he's pretty great. He's doing a British show now, I think. Oh, great. I know. Just like, forget it.

Do me a favor. And please tell him. I say, hello, will you? I mean, he's a lovely man. Wow. Sophie Miller at So, So Zookeeper. How did Felicia feel coming into Buffy, the Vampire, towards the end? And does she have any great stories from her time in the show? And was Michelle Geller a biatch? Wow. I asked that part.

No. Really? The Biatch part? Yeah, the Biatch part. Do you think she's a Biach? No, I don't know. She's always been nice. I met her once and she was really nice.

I was friendly with her on set. We weren't really close. She was very busy. Who's close to the Geller? Exactly. And also I was like this new, I was part of this new gaggle of seven girls who comes in. It's like, how do you care about that? But she was very nice.

Everybody on the set was very nice. I came into that show because I auditioned for. for a different part. I audition for the guest star who turned into a demon at the end of the first episode. Ooh. And then they were like,

can you go out and read these sides? And so I read the sides and it was evidently for an Asian character that they couldn't cast. They could not find an actor and they literally worked the next day. You learn the lines? I learned the whole monologue

and I actually... What? I'm so much better off the cuff than I am if I have time to prepare. Like, I should just cold read everything. You can memorize that fast? I didn't memorize, but yeah I memorize pretty well

like I can memorize really you I always envy those people I sit there and talk to like Kristen Bell was on here and love Hugh and they all fucking can memorize everything in my mind maybe I'm just older or maybe it's a muscle maybe the more I do it the easier it is I just get nervous like I know that's what I'm saying the less the less that I have the less I have to think about it the better oh I see what you're saying but still if it was the day before it's like oh shit oh no I start memorizing like what I do if I have an actual part I will read the script every day and I will work on it 30 minutes a day. And that way

if I panic when the cameras roll then I won't forget it as much. I have to step, but I like starting for the final day one. I'm not a crammer. Some people are crammers. Are you a crammer? I'm a crammer. Yeah, I don't like it. Crystal at Crystal Tofu, what's it like to role model to so many? You don't have to read all of them.

To be a role model. Is that what Crystal? I'm so sorry, Michael can't read. I almost got through it until you interrupted me as the queen of nerds and geeks. role model to the queen that's what you asked i appreciate me i never set out to be a role model to anything at all i don't even know what that is i'm i'm appreciative and i am proud and i it makes me feel like i need to be careful not careful but be conscientious in the way i present my i feel like anybody who's a public figure needs to be conscientious you can't just be you know just joe just a

regular person i i think there is there's a balance i mean sort of I feel like you have a responsibility to represent yourself a little bit more circumspectly. Not that I censor myself a lot, but, you know, I'm not going to be like, oh, I got to hate her outfit publicly because I'm like, well, that's not telling people the right thing. It's kind of like be a mom. Yeah. It's like it's not censor yourself. It's just being a little bit more careful because you know that it's important. Your behavior is influencing some 15 year old somewhere.

Do you get anxiety? I used to be 100. I mean, I used to be completely paralyzed. the anxiety. Paralyzed. Paralyzed. While you're working. Yeah. I mean, I'm not a good auditioner. I'll never get a job auditioning. Do you sweat? Do you get hives? No, I have a separation of, I basically float on my body. So I have no agency. So I just kind of go on autopilot. And I don't actually have the wherewithal to be like, stop. Stop. This is going badly. Can we just stop? Like, I get so afraid that I, like, escape my body. And I'm a terrible auditioner. Like, I'm terrible.

If Jessica Chastain went missing I think you could have her career I mean that would be nice But I'll never get any jobs Like I really actually decided that last I'm like I'm not I need to find another career Because I'm never

I can't get jobs with auditions I'm bad And I'm too old for this Well let me give you some advice No It won't work I've tried it all Well listen to me for a second Yeah okay

Do you know how you really got started In this business Do you know how it all became How you became successful? I did myself I did myself You did it yourself. Yeah, I know. So why can't you write something for yourself?

Why can't you do something for yourself? I've been trying. I've been pitching TV series. Well, there you go. Well. Do you know, I do an English accent. Problem solved. Hello, hello, hello.

Yeah. Did you ever have like freak out moments where you're just having anxiety attack and everybody knows it and you're just like can't breathe? Yeah. And isn't embarrassing? I mean, it's terrible. And what do you do? Were you addicted to Xanax?

No, I never took Xanax. I tried. I don't, I just. CBD oil. That's what I've been doing. Is it good? Do you have anxiety? Yeah, I love it.

The HM company gives me stuff. They're fantastic and I take their bomb for pains and I take these droppers for to sleep at night. And it really helps. It reduces inflammation. It helps me sleep. It really does work because I don't do any drugs or anything either. Yeah. You know what I did?

I found out I had horrible acid reflux, which exacerbated by anxiety. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Oh, yeah. You start to think of it and then it just blows up. So I don't know what comes, like last night at 830. Like, I know things about my body, especially things that are trigger foods.

And I had the horrible, and the baby has a cold. I had to lay with her for two hours to get her to sleep. And now I do, thanks. I know. You're giving it to me. Right here. It's right here. You need to disinfect us.

But anyway, I got up and I got, had a dove bar at, not 830 at night. You had a bar of soap? A dove bar. It's chocolate. Chocolate. I was a ice cream? There are as a dove bar soap. That's interesting, actually.

I said, Jesus, would you swear to you much and ate a whole bar of soap? No, but I had a chocolate dove bar. and I couldn't sleep last night because I had such bad attitude roof I was like what are you thinking and I remember like a little voice in my side of my head was like don't eat that thing and I was like I'm so hungry I just ate it I watched British baking show and then I went to sleep and I could not sleep you know what I do what I just did this two weeks ago it's two weeks to the day I stop this I'm telling you right now folks this helped me I didn't get headaches I quit caffeine oh it's good coffee it's good I quit sodas mostly sugars this doesn't mean to all of a sudden eat all natural sugars all day You got to monitor that and only do like 25 grams, whatever. That doesn't have anything. No, this is good. What I'm saying is the hint waters, yeah, they're great. There's nothing in that.

But I don't know what it is, but I'm here's the difference. Am I tired a little? Sure. My levels don't go crap. You're not too high. So I'm sort of like, okay, I'm a little tired. Well, that's decaf. I allow myself one decaf.

There's still some. I know. I got to, I kind of got to cut off. But anyway, it helps me and my anxiety. I haven't really had a lot of anxiety being off coffee and stuff like that and just like limitings, like no sodas and all that stuff. You know, I feel like my whole life transformed when I had the baby and I really, well, I took like six months off before that just to be like, just get your life in order. And I took stand-up class and I did a lot of classes and I actually rediscovered like, okay, what do you want to do with your life?

And then I had the baby. And after that, I was like, I'm great. Like six months go by. I get my first audition for a pilot. I'm like, I got this. I go in and I have a meltdown. So I'm like, my body doesn't want me to do this anymore. What do you mean meltdown?

I literally was so paralyzed with fear. my heart was just pounding outside and outside and when I went in I was just like hey and they knew it they had to have oh god that's you know what that's what happened that happened to me that happened to me I went into a meeting about two months ago for this series and it was just a meet and great they just wanted the director wanted to meet me and I sat down with the producers that would be so nice I was fine I was just sitting there and everything was fine and then all of a sudden I felt something and then I was thinking about it and then she was talking to me And then I didn't hear what she said. That's what happens to me. You have a panic. Your body is fleeing in fear. It's flight. What is it?

Fight or flight? And then, yeah, fight or flight. And then the castorctor goes, awesome. Michael, you get any other questions or anything? I go, no. No, I'm good. And I left and I go, oh, my God. And here's the reality.

The reality is if you're having panic attacks, most of the time, no one fucking knows. It's true. And so I went back and I go, oh, my God. And then they called and they said, hey, they're interested. stood in and they really enjoyed the meeting. And I was like, what are you talking about? And I was like, they didn't notice. They didn't see my face because I felt my face blushing. But then at least you were still

yourself. See, when you're in a I was, when you're an actor, you are not in touch. Yeah, you're not in touch with your artist when you're panicking. You know what I'm saying? So I could go into any general audition. I mean, you know, meeting and I would feel pretty comfortable. I've been pitching, like I said, I've been pitching TV and I feel totally comfortable being myself. Unfortunately, when I am anything that is like,

a word on a page. I don't know what it is. So basically, I got to find something else going on. Or people just need to offer me jobs. Because I'm on magicians and supernatural. Hopefully, again, like I'm on to,

I do great work there. What's your Instagram handle? It's Felich Day. What's your email? Or are your, not your email. Email? What's your Twitter?

Felicia Day. Really? It's so simple. Well, my name's too long. So it's Michael Rosen, Michael Rosen Bum on Twitter. Really? Yeah.

It didn't fucking fit. So I had to put bum. You should have been... That's a story of my life. That's terrible. Twitter doesn't have enough room for Rosenbaum. No, you were something... Rosenbaum.

You were bad before that. It was worse, but this is worse. I changed it to Rosenbaum. Yeah, thank you. Rosenbaum? And Instagram was like M. Rosenbaum 11 before that. M. Rosenbaum 11? It was brutal.

Oh, I remember that. That was stupid. Yeah, I've gotten like 400 more followers with this new bum. But bum. But bum. Why? I don't know. It doesn't fit.

It's one too little? One character. Too little. Can you email them? We tried. I tried getting Twitter to extend that. No. So, Felicia, you have magicians.

You have supernatural. Well, I don't know when I'm going to be back on those shows, but I'm assuming. But you're busy. You have a new baby. You're always working. I have a bunch of writing projects. I personally think you're incredibly dynamic and talented and warm and honest, except there was one part in the beginning of this whole interview.

What I do? Well, it just scared me for a second. I got a little, maybe a little anxiety. like oh my god did i upset her what it was when i said something tell me about your boyfriend and you just went i don't talk about my personal life it scared me for a second i thought you were going to snap at me no i just i just i'm like i don't yeah it's fine yeah i'm just saying i did it's scary i'm so excited i'm scary rob i'm scary terrifying for a second you just looked at me and i just was like oh shit what am i going to ask you next that's that's mostly what you talked did you notice rob

yeah were you uncomfortable no i wasn't but you could tell i was i didn't i couldn't tell you It's not that you inadvertently made me uncomfortable because I say, oh my God, I don't, I don't, what's personal then? I don't, but I respect that people don't want to talk about their personal life. Yeah. Well, so you did, except for if you're dating anyone. That's what you don't want to talk about. I don't talk about specifics of my fan. I mean, general. I mean, I don't, you know. Like if I said, how's your sex life? You don't want to answer that. Why would you ask somebody that? I didn't ask that. Did you ask that? Yes, every guess that. I didn't ask that. Did you rewind the tape? I didn't say it. I didn't say it. I said. I didn't say. And if I were to ask that, is that a personal question?

You could ask me anything. Rob, how's your sex life? What's your sex? Do you still have sex with the baby? What? With the baby? No, not with the baby. Oh, my God.

Felicia. Cut that out, Rob. I said, do you still have sex even though you have a baby is what I met? You know what I met. You perverts, both of you. Sure, yeah. Okay, thank you. That's it.

It was a yes or no question. Jesus. This is so tense right now. When's the last time you had sex, Michael? It's been a while Since my ex You guys have a intimate relationship here You and Robbush you was

Hemsworth It was missionary It was inappropriate It was missionary That's your favorite Oh God I don't want to see Yeah that's

Yeah missionary is kind of boring Okay why are we talking about that I thought we were wrapping up All right You were on the wrap up Always wrap up Always wrap up Oh you're to listen

This has been a real treat for me I know we talked about it You were busy And then we were trying to get you scheduled But you're always It's worked out perfectly because you were going in town. I just came back in the town. This was the faded interview to be.

Did you have fun today? I really did. Did you really? No, I did. Are you surprised? Was it more fun than you thought you had? I think you were a better interviewer than I thought you would be. But I knew you were going to be good.

Really? But you're like a professional interviewer. What do you mean? You're able to dodge and weave and you, you know, you shared just enough about yourself, but then you get good things out of people except for Rob here. Well, we get a lot of out of Rob. Don't worry. Really?

Did you talk more in other podcasts? No. Yeah, Rob's got his issues. What are your issues, Rob? He talks. Hey, let's talk about Rob's mom. My mom? Yeah.

What about my mom? Well, I just want to know what your relationship with your mom is like. I have a good relationship with her now. Yeah, she got him, put him on medication when he was young. Oh, she did? Well, I was more of an introvert. But that's okay. So they thought he was depressed, so they put him on something.

I would just hang out of my room and, yeah, and she thought I was depressed. What did you hang out in your room doing, though? Are you reading? Masturbating. No, I was into, like, art. You weren't masturbating in high school? That wasn't why I was in my room by myself. Yeah, that sock's still there.

Wow. No, I was, I was into art. Did you do art? Are you a visual artist? Yeah. It was a photographer, too, great photographer. Wow, wrong. I mean, for like bands and stuff.

Yeah, I started working with bands when I was like 15. So why did she think you were, when did you go on the medication? Like 15 for like a year. Did it help? I didn't notice a difference now. So you're not on anything now? No. You just occasionally drink?

very seldom you look really clean cut like if I were to see I said oh that guy's religious or something oh yeah because you're wearing a buttoned up shirt and your hair is slicked back with gel my parents are super religious my dad was almost a priest he was going to seminary school wow and left to start a family did you baptize your child we did not see I didn't either we didn't have a religious wedding either and Jesus Felicia is just getting this interview on this is a Felicia day interview inside of Rob Hollis now my my wife's grandma was blessing us at the, we have a video. Do you believe in God? I believe in God, but I don't like organized religion. Well, how about this? I don't like when people say that.

I don't think you mean that. Maybe you do, but let me just ask you something. Before, you don't mean it wrong. Well, you said you don't like organized religion. I'm agnostic, not atheist. But I like organized religion if it works for people and it doesn't affect me in a negative way. I don't think it works for people because of the organized religion part. I think it works because of the message and the meaning behind. Maybe I'm just misinterpreting because my friend's Christian and his family, they go to church every week and he's a great guy and he doesn't throw it on me and this is what you should believe. But does he secretly think that you're going to hell? Or that people who are gay or going to hell?

I think most people think I'm going to hell. I don't know. But look, I always say, look, I have a friend that's Mormon. I have a friend who's just on here Scientologist. If it works for you and I love you and you're great and it doesn't affect me in a negative way, you're not opposing, then organized religion works. I said I don't like organized religion for me. I'm not an organized person. Oh, for you.

I got confirmed, and then that was the last time I went to church. I put violin at a lot of churches when I was in college. Oh, really? Yeah, but I don't know what I was saying. I memorized it. Isn't that the thing? No, you met you learned to speak Hebrew. Yeah, this microphone just broke.

Felicia Day, this has been a real treat. Can we talk about Rob next time again? Maybe next time. Will you come back? Oh, well, yeah. You're a real good interviewee. Well, thank you. I appreciate that.

You're fun, you're smart. Some of the words I'm going to look up. What? There were a couple of words you said that I want to look up. Really? Yeah. Along with your quotes and your statistics that were a little off. They were in the race.

Tendrils. What were tendrils? Tendrils. What's tendrils? It was 515, 50 and 125? Was that it? Rob? It was 150.

150. Thank you for allowing me to be inside of you today, Felicia Day. Thank you. It was a real pleasant experience. And then five. 15 and five, yeah. This is inside of you. I hope you enjoyed Felicia Day.

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That's what we do. Make a down payment on a home. Something nice. Buying a vehicle. A separate bucket for this addition that we're adding. $50,000, I'll buy a new podcast. You'll buy new friends. And we're done.

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