Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - FRANK GRILLO: Changing His Life, New DC Film, Making Liam Neeson Cry, & Punching Ryan Reynolds

Episode Date: May 16, 2023

ONE DAY AS A LION is now available On Digital, On Demand! Available and on DVD.  Frank Grillo (Purge, The Grey) joins us this week to share how behind the tattoos, muscles, and grit he has transformed his life to be in service to those who are at their lowest point. Frank shares how his bond for Liam Neeson came full circle after working with him in The Grey, and also how working with Nick Nolte in Warrior changed his career. We also talk about his background as a fighter, his switch to DC from Marvel, and his experience working with friends of the show Scott Caan and JK Simmons on One Day As a Lion. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🧠Qualia Mind: https://neurohacker.com/iou 🟠 Discover: https://discvr.co/3Cnb1V8 🧼 Dove Men Plus Care __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum uh ryan good to see you my friend good to see you we're on a high from our last interview we are we uh i just interviewed eric mccormick and stephen weber and they were dynamite they have a new podcast and uh they were just awesome they were so good i can't wait for you guys to hear it there's a lot of great uh episodes of the podcast coming up kary ann moss and paula abdul and gates mcfatton and The list goes on. It's been a great year. I appreciate all your help. The patrons are really saving the show. Without you guys, I couldn't do it. Go to patreon.com slash inside of you and become a patron and support the show. I really appreciate it. And if you just want to listen, that's great too. I appreciate that. Write a review. Our reviews, Ryan, at inside of you pod on Twitter, at inside of your podcast on Instagram and Facebook. That's right. And reviews really help. Also, the inside of you online store, tons of great merch, new tumblers, small the lunch boxes, Lexmus scripts, action figure.

There's so much good stuff. Go to the inside of you online store. I'll probably do a percent off or whatever it's called. Discount is what it's called. So there's that. Cons, the Tidewater Con, Virginia Beach, the following weekend. I think that's May 18th or something. Just look, but Tidewater, Virginia Beach.

Me and Welling will be there. And a lot of other good cons coming up. Talkville, our podcast is doing really well. And thanks to the patrons again. And I'm sorry I couldn't make it to Wales for the con there. I was really looking forward to it. And stuff happened. Personal stuff and travel stuff.

And it just wasn't in the cards. So I know there's a couple of out there that I really wanted to see that I was hoping to get to meet for the first time. Patrons. And so. And yeah, anyway. So that's it. We got a great guest, Frank Grillo. I love this guy.

I've gotten so many great guests. If you have a chance, listen to some other guests, even if you don't know them. A lot of people come up and say, hey, I didn't know this person. But you learn a lot. It's amazing how open and honesty was about his dad and his dad's death. His mom and dad died right, you know, almost within a week or something. You know, I'm from Captain America. And one day as a line with my buddy Scott Kahn.

It's out streaming everywhere. One day as a line, please check it out. It's a cool little independent Tarantino-like movie. He was in Warrior. he was so good nick nultie um and he's doing a new dc movie well what a life i met his son his son was here son was cool as hell they invite me to ufc fights i got to go do one i think they're not going to invite me because i ain't go the last one but anyway let's get inside of frank grillo it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum

Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. You know, I love how the first thing you say, I meet you for the first time, and I've heard all about you from, like, all my friends and people are like, you've got to get Frank on the show. And the first thing you're talking about is like, ah, you know, my divorce. I got a new house. And I don't know what I was thinking. So, you know, you think you think you learn shit as you get old and you should.

And I've made all the same mistakes I made when I was young. Right. You know, all the same, I bought two puppies during COVID. Connie Corsos, they're like Roman guard dogs, right? Because I had a new girlfriend. Big dogs. Gigantic. They're not pets.

The only thing I don't like about big dogs like that is it makes me sad because they probably don't live long lives. I don't care. Good. Really? If they live to three, that would be fantastic. Oh, my God. He's kidding.

He's totally kidding. But you love them, but it's like. No, it's a lot of work. I complicated my life. That's what I did. Yeah. Well, you know what, though, I can't see you or a guy like Michael Bean or a guy like Robert Patrick, these guys that are tough guys who like, I can't see you with like a poodle.

No. Like a lot of these guys are running and running in with a little white dog. No, I need a dog like a punch. He's kidding again. No, but you want a dog you can wrestle with. Have fun with. That's like my blanche. I love to wrestle with her.

And she just bites me, but that doesn't bite me. Right, right. And I got two other sons. They stay at the house by themselves. And so my dogs are there. Like you, they're trained. I've trained them for a year. And so anybody comes in the house that's not supposed to be there.

Done. They're done. Do you have a path of a code word? Um, no. I remember my grandmother, uh, my uncle Warren's like this famous animal trainer. He's got like 10 books out. He's like trained Letterman's dogs, but she knows dogs back in the day. And, uh, he had this dog come over and it was, he had it in the garage and said,

stay away. It was in a case just for two days because it was like, you know, he didn't want any trouble with us. My grandma, I was staying with my grandmother. And I would creep in as this little boy into the garage and the dog would look at me. And I would just start trying to guess the names, the password, the codes. I'd be like doing German. I'm like,

Kreutzpah! Schein! Thinking that was going to get the dog to do some kind of attack. But the dog was the name with Shannon, man. It could be a vicious dog. But you know, it's funny because I was originally going to buy a Malmar, right? Because I was in Israel. Is it Malamute?

Malamu. Malam. Maybe it's a map. Now, whatever. You know better than I did. And I was in Israel because those are the Israel attack dog. Like they used them in the Israeli army. And the guy wanted $100,000.

You buy the dog and he keeps it a year and it's $100,000. I'm like, what am I, Brad Pitt? Like, where am I getting on? That's insane. Is that ridiculous? And so I got these other two idiots for 7,000. Did you ever see that is Israeli army show called Fowda? Yeah.

It's one of the best shows that no one's seen here in America. Amazing. I keep wanting to get that guy, Leo. Laura or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's an amazing show. He's like an old school, like almost like a Bruce Willis character. He's a tough.

He's great. That show is awesome. And it's funny. You bring that up. Nobody, a lot of people don't know about that show. No. And Tehran. Yep.

Those shows are. I know. Gifts. I know. Like, you'll binge the hell. I can't, you can't stop watching it. You do binge them. You care about like all these characters from both sides.

Yep. You're seeing like, you know, so that's crazy. I honestly, I printed out stuff just because I, I don't ever look at shit hardly. but like you know you've got you've done so much so much shit that it's endless and shit is the right word no you were in one of my favorite movies of all time by the way is it malamar yeah yeah that's either a candy bar or a dog yeah malmar malmar malmar but like you did one of my favorite movies and i loved your part if i'm right warrior oh yeah you were the trainer oh yeah it was his trainer I was- Dude, you were so awesome.

Oh, thanks. Joel Edgerton's trainer, an unknown Joel Edgerton and unknown Tom Hardy. That is another movie that reviews are off the hook. It's people, then when they see it, they're like, how have you not seen Warrior? I know. It's a movie that caught a life well after. They didn't market it. They didn't know how to market it.

It was Tom Hardy and Joel on a poster and said, it looked like a fight poster. And MMA wasn't really mainstreamed at that time. Yeah. It really, like Dana White hates that movie. Hates it. Why? Because he feels like it's not a good representation of fighters and, and he, I did a show, a TV series called Kingdom.

Yes. He came to the set. He loved that because we kind of made that real. We kind of made it, you know, like the UFC. But he hated, he, Dana White hates Warrior. Is it because it just was kind of flashy and because I thought it was both. I thought it showed hardworking, you know, these guys. who were underdogs and like they have this thing with their dad, Nick Nolte, who's amazing.

He's like, that was the movie. That was my fucking gone. You didn't get to work with Nolte though. I didn't, but I hung out with him the whole time. He actually changed my life, Nick Nolte. How? Because Nick, up until then, I was like, acting, whatever. You know, you learn your lines, you go do it.

And I'm like, whatever. I was doing stupid shit. And he had this binder. Now, Nick is like the mad professor in real life. He's smart. Oh my God. And he's got this giant binder with. like papers and flies and all kinds of shit

moving around. Right. And I was like, Nick, one day I just sat there and go, what is in there? What is in there? Right. He said, that's my character. What? So I, over the course of like two or three months, we were there a long time in Pittsburgh, he kind of taught me how to break down a script the way he does it and the way he broke down a character and the way he and it was. And he still does it. And he still does it.

It changed my career. It changed my life. It changed the way I looked at acting. I thought acting was kind of silly. I still do, but I understand, I understand how to do it in a far deeper way because of Nick Nalty. And he got nominated for an Oscar in that movie. Yeah. Yeah.

But it's amazing that you actually wanted to take that advice, to take that sort of work ethic. Yeah. You know, because that takes another level. Like, do you want to work that hard? Because like you go on set, you deliver your lines, you're always good.

Like, you know, what else? You're natural. I'm making money. I got kids. I got a life. You know, so the fact that you said, hey, I'm going to do this. And now you do this for every movie? Yeah.

Deep. By the way, I've kind of almost like, like, it's almost got me in trouble on several occasions because I figure everybody should be working this way. And I got neurotic about it, you know? And now I've cooled out a bit because who cares? And, but it really was, it really became an interesting way to work. It was really a lot of fun. And you realize how many people are lazy when you are the guy doing the work.

Wow. Yeah. How many actors show up looking at sides. Like they're looking at their lines and they're like, oh, oh, you didn't read this. Like you didn't really. Or they're learning in the makeup trailer. I see that all the time. You know. I know. Especially you. You, you being on a show that was on so long, everybody's coming through there. Yeah. And you get to see. You know. Yeah. I've, dude, I have been on set where I don't know if I told this story you would know as our editor, Jason. Jason's here, folks. But I remember. somebody who has like their royalty and I'm not going to say anything else but they just they just couldn't they didn't know their lines at all and to the point where I go hey dude we do this all the time check this out and I stuck the sides to my face on his close up and I guess are you serious it's embarrassing I go no it gives it she no one sees it's the performance accounts right and I sat there with all my face stuck to my sweaty forehead and he read the lines good on you about by the way I've worked with some legends yeah and I have to

tell you more than three of them, or at least three of them, earwigs and cute cards. I want to do that. I know. It's not easy. It's not easy to do it. I did a movie called The Grey with Liam Neeson. Listen to me. Yeah, listen to me.

And Carnahan wanted to put an earwig in my because I was dying at the end and he wanted to throw me lines. I went, yeah, right, put it in. It's a whole skill set to be able to listen to what someone's saying, and repeat it on top of that on top of that in a way where you're convincing it is but and also can you sure you can hear it is there an interruption is there like do I look on camera like I'm waiting for you to say something so I can say do you know what I mean like you have to understand the physiological part of the whole thing like how is my body behaving while I'm being read a line but you didn't have a

chance to really rehearse with no no no that's a different Joe is just yelling right so apparently Robert Downey Jr. And a bunch of people do stuff where they have this. And it's just like they practice. Like I would with Jason. I go, all right, go ahead. If you need the lines. Right. And I repeat. And I repeat. And I repeat. And I'm and I probably film myself doing me and go, okay, that's good. That's good. That's good. And it also creates a spontaneity. You're hearing the lines for the first time. You're like, you're not thinking about it. And, and, you know, uh, yeah, look, I don't know how other people feel about it on set when they're dealing with somebody who's doing that. But you've dealt with a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And listen, sometimes it works. Sometimes it's silly. But. But, and then I,

I've worked, recently worked with Keitel and, you know, he's 80-something years old, like 81 years old. And so he had the, you know, he said, do you mind if I put the monitor behind you? I'm like, brother, you're Harvey Keitel, do whatever you want to do. And, you know, and he, I could see he struggled a bit, like having to do it. But that's more of a guy who's just, you know, he's been around a long time and it's probably a little difficult to remember stuff. I can't remember stuff yeah well you know they uh beverly de angelo just posted this she's she's a good friend of mine she's such an amazing woman she's insane i love it great yeah she's talking about christmas vacation you know that whole speech where chubby chase goes if anybody's got any last minute gift ideas i have

one one friend shirley and i want him brought over from his holidays slumber over a medley lane with other rich people and i want him with a big bow in his neck i want to look him in the eye and someone a no good, worthless, heartless, farted, monkey-ass, shit, all fuck. You know, they had like, every actor on the set had like a cue card on their chest and he would read it off. Are you kidding? Yeah. And it was awesome.

You never would have thought that. Never would have thought it. I did a movie called Wheelman and I was basically me in a car for, you know, 88 minutes. That had to be like. Well, the last day, we had a hiccup. We lost a couple of days. So I had one day to do 35 pages, 30, I kid you not, 35 pages in one day. And Joe was like, all right, let's not try to do this.

I said, you know what, I got this. I said, I think I could do it. You stole into the lines. I'm in a car. And I think we took no more than two takes, and I did all 35 pages. And it's a great movie. And I'm not blowing smoke up my ass. It's a great little movie.

And you can't tell. You can't tell where it was in the movie that I had. Really? it. Yep. But you don't use cute cards. You just knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I kind of knew this circumstance and I almost word for word. So if you, you know, if you want to do the work, right. You can do the work. Yeah, that's true. Now you do the work. Thanks to Nick Nolty. Nice to do. By the way. I just always loved Liam Neeson. Is he a good guy to work with? Oh my God. And he became a great, he was a great drinking buddy like the gray, right? Yeah, yeah. We were both we, you know, he's a big dude. He's like

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Don't wait. the Rocket Money app today and tell them you heard about them from my show inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Rocket Money. I could just see him drunk. It's like, I'm so drunk now. I can't. Look at that Irish. Oh, Frankie. We should have one more scoop. We should. I'm like, yeah, Liam. You're Liam Neeson. We could have as many scoops as you want. How is he the next day? Oh, he's fine. He could just drink and be fine. What a constitution. And then he stopped. He just stopped. He just quit. He quit drinking. Yeah.

Do you drink? I stopped Christmas. Really? Yeah. Good for you. I drank for about 40 years, just wine, mostly, a little bit of tequila. But I drank my son in the other room. We did it together.

We drank a bottle, bottle and a half, sometimes two bottles every night. You know, just kind of shooting shit. I drank a lot of wine. Sometimes I'd go to work and there's wine in my trailer. Like I drank, you know, drink rosé and red wine. Well, weren't you worried that he was going to become an alcoholic? I needed somebody to drink with. So you said, I'm going to use my son.

Yeah, he was great at it. He was great, but he's not a big drinker now. I don't, not in the house. He won't drink in front of me anymore. He won't. In front of me, no, no. Respect. He's like, hey, I want you to be clean.

Yeah, and I think he feels better. I think it's- How do you feel, though? Do you feel better with clarity? I have to tell you. So I got a stomach bug before Christmas, so I didn't drink for a few days. And then I really felt good. And then there's this thing dry January. So I'm like, let me give this a shot because I really feel better.

Like, I need to kind of clean myself out. And I train every day for like two hours with professional fighters and... Jiu-jitsu. I sweat boxing. J-jitsu. Boxing. And I wear a sauna suit.

I mean, I sweat all day, you know, all when I train. And I thought I felt good. But I didn't drink and I felt really great. And dry January turned into just, I'm fine. I do enjoy psilocybin. You know what? Theo Rossi was talking about that. It is a game change.

I do microdose... What does that make you feel like? I'll tell you what it does. First of all, talk about clarity. You feel incredibly clear, far more emotionally stable. And there's an overall feeling of positivity, which I, you know, is being. That's because you're tripping a mushroom. No, you don't trip unless you take copious amounts of it.

But I do the microdosing. Like, I'll do before I go to the gym. How many milligrams? You even know? I think it's three milligrams. Every day or off. You go like one day off. No, no, no.

I don't do it every day. No, no, no. There's no reason to, you know. But, you know, I'll do it before I go to gym. I'll do it before I go out so that I know people are drinking that I just, because I have to tolerate now the people who are, I'm that guy. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean?

Yeah. It's been, it's been great. My kids, like, I'm far more level-headed and, and, uh, less reactive. Really? Yeah, man. See, I'm telling you. I, for memorization, you're clear. Clear.

All right, I'm going to email you or you're going to give me your phone number probably because I live near you, but I want you to send me what you take and where you get it. No, I'll drive it over. I, listen, to try it. But I'm really sensitive with drugs. I don't do drugs either. Like, I don't want to be like tripping. I've never done cocaine.

I don't want to throw. Oh, I've done that. I will drop a bar off tomorrow. You tell me what you think of. A bar? Yeah, it's a bar of chocolate. You just take a little square and you tell me how to you. In the morning.

Or whenever. Will I get nauseous? Oh, my God. You sound like my mother. Bit of a puss. Well, when I get nauseous? Well, I get nauseous. I don't want to take your drugs, Frankie.

I don't want to get nauseous. Anthony. Does anybody call you Anthony? Frankie and Francis What is your mom? No, my mother, rest of her soul, she used to call me... Oh, she's passed.

Oh, she died right before COVID. She used to call me Kiki. It was my nickname. So I grew up Kiki. Do you let anybody else call you Kiki? Not anymore. Not anymore. What about Dad?

Is he around? Dad died. Dad kind of killed himself after she died. I was on a movie. This was only like three years ago. This was like about three and a half years ago, yeah. Three years ago.

Oh, my God. I'm doing a movie for Sony in New Orleans talked to my mother in the morning, I get back to my house in New Orleans and my phone rings, it's my sister and she's screaming something about my mother and then she hung up the phone. And she called me back five minutes later

and she said, she's gone, she's gone. My mother had come home from food shopping, literally looked at my father and fell down and died. And we didn't have an autopsy, but I think it was like maybe an aneurysm or something in her stomach. She had stomach problems. How old? Yeah, she was 72.

young that's young now yeah and a young 72 my mother was a great human being if she hadn't married my father she'd be a much better person really yeah but then my father who's a lifelong alcoholic killed himself with booze like within the next four weeks just drank himself to death to death try to stop him put himself in a coma you know why what can you do yeah what are you gonna do stop no he was chronic he was a chronic alcohol and he was he losing her was everything that was all you know they hated each other for 50 years yeah but they were married when he realized how much he loved her when she passed yeah yeah yeah she they had me when they were like 18 years old my god was you was your were your parents good growing up no no they weren't

they were a mess they were like a mess they were un-evolved they were my father's an immigrant from italy like they had no idea what they were doing man different james they didn't know and i'm sure italian i'm not saying all the time oh my god so he wasn't like i love you in frank no well no he was affectionate but oddly affectionate like almost like he was hyper emotional he couldn't control his emotions yeah I grew up like anger or both crying both both both yeah both of those really yeah so it wasn't fun growing up no it was and I was the oldest so it was uh it was a tough tough go of it when I was growing up. Emotionally. Do you know what I mean? It was just chaos. It was chaos. I know what that's like. I remember when I met my friend who lived across the street from me, they had a check.

And I was like, what's that? And he's like, it's a check. What do you mean? What's that? Like my parents never had a checking account. They never had a bank account. They paid everything with money orders. You know, the electricity was going off all the time. I remember my mother always rushing to the, to where you pay the electric bill. You know, oh, my God. Oh, my God. god you know i can't tell many nights i had captain crunch for dinner it was could have been worse could have count chocolate you know fruity pebbles fruity pebbles i like fruity pebbles you drink the milk it's all sugary and fruity yeah but i'll tell you you know all of that has has uh has made me crazy well you know what you know they they do your product of your own environment so you try

to take the good yeah from both if whatever there is and the bad you really what happens to me is I through life I have seen part of like the bad sides and I get really mad at myself and depressed when I when I see that right and then I try to correct those and go no I'm not going to do that I'm going to go in the other opposite direction so I find myself really hard of myself to try and make up for the things that maybe I didn't get or maybe whatever or you thought you should have got and you know there's also that idea of what we think we should have right but you know it's the same thing but you always have to be kind to you What I learned, I always say it.

You must be kind to yourself. Yeah. It's the last words of every podcast. I say, please be good to yourself. You got to. I'm really trying. Me too. I'm trying to do that.

It's so hard because I could say, you're such an asshole. I know. You're such, why did you do that? Well, you weren't the best this. Well, why? Take your fucking dog for another wall. Every fucking thing upsets me. I know.

Why don't you read that script? It's your friend's script. I don't want to read another friend's script. Me either. I don't want to give notes. Stop. I don't care. I don't want to care.

I care. I know, I know. What happened? And then I judge myself based on my very worst moments. Like, you know what I mean? When I first got separate, I had a girlfriend who was maybe the most beautiful girl I've ever seen in my life, right? And she was my girlfriend.

She was really cool. Yeah, you probably get the ladies. She was, she was a hunk, you're a fighter, you're Italian. She was cool for three months. And then it, and then she wasn't cool. And she knew how to press all of those. buttons about myself, about how I felt about myself. She was genius.

She wouldn't have told her. Yeah, Machiavelli would have came back and, like, said, oh, my God, I love you. Yeah, it was amazing. And that's when I was like, oh, I need to take a minute away from women. Like, I need to be alone with myself. Did you go to therapy? I did, man. Did that change your life?

Yeah, therapy. And then I have another guy, my buddy Peter Evans in Santa Monica, and he, and I, and he's a breathing healer and and through that really work oh man because i tried it once and i couldn't get through a session it was so much breathing i know this he sends you it's like doing iawaska without doing iawaska it sends you into he's a trance this guy won an Olympic gold medal when he was 19 then disappeared into india and he came out and he had all this knowledge right and he and he's everyone goes to what kind of breathing can you get an example in five breaths. So, for instance, you'll do, you'll sit up straight and you'll take 10 deep breaths

to you almost hyperventilate. And he'll, and he'll, and he'll, no, deep, right? And he'll be talking to you and he's playing certain music. It's all very kind of, you know, a little spiritually, right? That kind of music and he's talking to you. And probably you've, before that, have spoken to him about what's been on your mind or whatever it is. And then he starts touching parts of your body, hard and soft, and you're holding your breath. And then he says, breathe out. And then he pounds your liver and literally you go out you pass out and you shake right and you start to see shit it's like ayahuasca and then you wake up and it's like you were just born again i know this you cry bananas emotional so many times because one day i'm sitting there and it goes off on you know

i never got to say goodbye to my mother and so it might be that right and i am the most cynical new york guy that you could imagine yeah i i think everyone is full of shit. Yeah. Especially. Most people are. That's why it's hard. Most people are, right?

Most people are opportunists. Not even realizing it. This man has, I have sent dozens of people there. People that you know and I know, like people that everyone knows and game changer. I think I'm scared of like as vulnerable as I can be like on the podcast and talk about shit, like letting go and losing control and crying and stuff like that. That scares me. It's scary, but that's what you need.

You know what I mean? Because you think you're in control. You think because you're holding this thing together, you're in control, right? That's what we're creating all of these problems. We're not in control. We're afraid. Do you know? I've had a couple of about a year ago.

This is great, but we're good, right? You're watching it. This is a good shit. Oh, okay. By the way, cut me off. No, fuck. This is exactly what I want. I'm like, oh, this is heaven.

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we're here to explore the Wicked and Reveal the Grim. We are Wicked and Grim. Follow and listen on your favorite podcast platform. I had a year ago, one of my best friends was my manager, his name's Chris Yuvain, his brother's Kevin Yuvain, who runs CAA, like very prominent family, killed himself shot him spoke to him on the phone he was going through depression serious depression uh we were going to take him to a new facility on on monday very successful manager chadwick bosman margot robbie like this guy was the shit then everyone loved this kid right had everything to live for and uh so i spoke to him the night before he killed himself and i said i'm taking you to peter uh this this thursday he was coming back he killed himself the next day right

Oh, devastating, gutted. Like, it took six months for me to recover so I could even function. This guy, I spoke to him 30 times a day. But he was very vocal about being depressed, right? And he couldn't, he could not get a hold of it. He couldn't. So it's the first time I witnessed what mental health, mental sickness, mental illness really is. Do you know what I mean?

This guy had all the money in the world, very powerful, came from a family that runs Hollywood, and was beloved, you know, helped everybody, paid it forward. wasn't happy wasn't happy right beyond happy like joyless which is worse like going through the motions of life and and and and and being vocal about not getting anything back from it do you know what I mean yeah so six months go by and I have I grew up in a house with my father's brothers kids too we all grew up together so there was there was eight of us all mostly all boys there was only two girls and and um my closest cousin who I grew up with my it was my brother was getting divorced blah blah blah This girl moved to Montana, kids, California, Montana, long story.

Comes to my house on a Thursday and he's down, right? He just turned 60 and he was really down. And I, oh no, a week before he came to my house, I sent him to Peter. He came out of Peter and he said, I don't know what that is. He said, but I've never felt like this in my life. I have a clear path to what I need to do. And I'm going to go to Montana and tell Pauline and I'm going to stay in California

and I think I got to thank you so much and Peter had called me and then he came to my house the following week and he was going to Montana he went to Montana and he's a very vulnerable very an empathic guy and she was not kind to him and she said some things to him and he killed himself

the same way that my friend Chris did shot himself and that my God you've got so much loss well and in a specific way way like mental illness and that put me on a path to help anybody and everybody like if you who i don't know told me just now that you were going through some like whatever i can do to help any stranger who tells me that they're suffering that's kind of been my thing um i don't know how i got off on this tan no but you're talking about your friend's death yeah killing himself you're talking about

the breathing yeah how that you were about to get him into that and then this happened right before which is devastating, you know, it's so funny because I've talked about this, but doing this podcast, I wasn't, you know, somebody's like, you got a great voice. You should do podcast, man. You should have your own, you know, interview celebrities. You'll make money. I'm like, all right, cool. And I started doing it. I was like, man, no one's really listening. No one's, you know, and I was just kind of like, you know, whatever. And then I started to be vulnerable. And I started to speak openly, spoke openly about my depression, anxiety, my life, everything. Yeah. And guests started open up crying everything and now i just went to a con in in uh chicago i don't even promote the con

or promote the podcast when i'm at cons or anything right if i told you how many people came up to me saying it means so much to me your podcast and i'm like and i'm like wow wow but hearing other people that have had huge success right and them all being vulnerable and them being like hey you know I, and it just helps so many people when you just talk about it. That's right. I do it on my Instagram a lot and I can't. It's the same thing. So many people come up and say, man, you're an inspiration.

Thank you for just kind of showing that being a human being. Yeah, that kind of vulnerability. And, you know, it's amazing because it's not a path that I was imagining ever being on or caring that much about, again, trying to control my life. But, you know, it's, it's, it's been. And it's been revelatory to kind of accept, you know, the pain of it all of life. Life is, you know, and as I get older, you know, you kind of, now I'm marking time more. Like, you know, I'm running out of time.

Do you know what I mean? Well, you always are. From the day we're born, we're dying. Yeah. And then you, but you get to a certain point, you're like, oh, wait a minute. People are dying in my life. Like, they're dying. Like, it's not, you know, so it's interesting that, you know, you start to be cognizant of

your mortality and and then and and then you know and then we're gone so you know I think I think creating a community uh you know especially dudes I always say this like men need to stick together yeah like guys need to take care of each other yep you know I'm good friends with like Pete Berg you know Pete the director I love him I don't know him Pete's great right we boxed together and and uh but we were in a sauna one we were in the sauna together after we were training and we were talking and I was getting in the middle of my divorce, which was the worst time of my life. And worse than my parents' death was my divorce. And I was sitting in there. We were talking. He's a little bit older than me, but he said, I'm going to tell you something. Guys in

their 50s need need to stick together. He said, you know, whatever you need, come and talk to me, you know. And it dawned on me that as we get older, men become more and more isolated, right? Especially the old school. Right. Like my cousin and even Chris, you vein like he was vocal about the depression but he really became he isolated himself and that's what men tend to do so it's you know you know you got to sometimes you got to drag people you know I know you got to drag people out I know I try I mean it's a it's a fine line like well it's a thin line between like enabling and helping so some people if they don't want to be helped there has to come a time you're like I'm wasting my time and your time because you just aren't wanting this

Yeah, they're despondent. It's a terrible. It's a tragedy. I have tried there's, yeah, I've tried so many times. And then I realize how many weeks, years, hours, whatever it is, I've spent on certain people like of my own time because I care so much. And it's almost like you're wasting your time. Yeah.

And sometimes I've just cut it off. Like I'm talking, you know, like I never really talked about it, but like, you know, I love my brother. He's amazing. He's an, you know, an amazing guy. smarter as hell smarter than i am people love him he's fun to be around he's just a great guy but he has some things that he like doesn't want to deal with right and i have tried and tried and i have seen it right in front of me and i have like and i and there's and and that's your brother

and that's my brother and it's like now i i i as bad as it feels i'm just like i love you always here for you. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not asking you about this. I'm not telling you. I'm not going to start telling you how to live your life. If you don't want to take advice, if you don't want to listen to me or if you don't want to, then I can't do it anymore. It's the smartest thing. It's breaking my heart. It's killing me. And then you have animosity towards him, you know, like, because he's not doing what you think he should be doing, right, to help himself. And he'll say certain things in front of me, which is a button like you were talking about. Well, he'll say a trigger. Yeah. Well, he'll say a trigger. Yeah. Like, who cares, man. I'm just going to go all out. Who cares what happens.

Right, right. Kind of thing. Like, like, yeah. It's just not funny. Everybody cares. You know, Jordan Peterson says a great thing. He says, never underestimate the hole that you would leave if you weren't here, right? And my cousin who shot himself, you know, his kids were in the other room, it's three kids, right? And his ex-wife, he destroyed the family. He destroyed us, you know, it destroyed us.

It just devastated our family. And his kids are going to suffer for a long time. time and it's like and then you know he was a he was a crucial my family is very close all of us the brothers and cousins and he you know he devastated what was he was a crucial part of the anatomy of it all and it's gone so what do you say about that like you know you hear these things like robin williams and he and he hung himself and i always say like my thought is we don't know how dark one is to do something so tragic and so unlike them and to do it maybe in the next room

that it's a sickness it's such an emotional that it does everything nothing matters but the task in hand yeah and you gotta you gotta throw logic you know because we're trying to say well how could you do that with your well if I'm sitting here

not in the right mind having a logical conversation of course it doesn't make sense but obviously he wasn't in his right mind he was delusioned and it's just tragic yeah it's freaking tragic it is and I just like I always do you ever do this I dwell on this

sometimes not as much anymore but like i'll i'll think how will i feel if this person passes how would i deal with it and you don't linger on it like a cranberry song right but you're like you kind of like you sit there and go okay how would you feel would you be able to deal with it oh my god then you start to feel the overwhelming kind of like you put yourself in that situation it's almost like acting preparing for yeah yeah it is acting and you yeah and you kind of like going but you never can prepare for it no never prepare for how are you going to feel? And it's just, it's terrifying.

You just can't, you can't, you can't keep dwelling. No, you can imagine, you can imagine, which is a logical, intellectual thing, how you would feel, which is not, has nothing to do with your intellect, right? But you could imagine how you would feel. Right. Because every time I thought I was going to feel something, I had a really tumultuous relationship with my, with my father.

Was it abusive? It was, it was verbally and, And, you know, I was a strong kid by the time I was 15. You were wrestling at 8, right? Yeah, I was, you know, so he wasn't going to mess with you. No, he walked around me. Like, I was nuts, too. So, you know, no, I was always, like, worried he was going to hit my mother.

So I was always around, you know, and he knew. Right. And he didn't, he couldn't defend himself against a double-leg takedown. So what was he going to do, right? Right. Or the cross-faced cradle. I wrestle, too, Jason. Hizzo!

But, but, you know, You know, when he went into the hospital, so he went into an alcohol-induced coma, and I had to fly back to New York, and my brother and I and my eldest cousin, my cousin Roy's sister, we were in the hospital for a week. He was intubated and stuff. And I thought that if my father had died, I had said it many times before, you know, well, if you don't want to be alive, die. You know, I don't care. That's not the truth. You know, I sat there holding his hand, talking to him, crying. Like, I didn't know if he could understand me. And I didn't want him to be. afraid. What are we most afraid of when we're alive is dying? So imagine if I don't know that his brain was awake, but his body was shut down and he was looking like sometimes he'd open his eyes and look at me and I was like, pop, can you see me? Blink, you know, can you see me? And his hand would move and I'd want to believe he was squeezing my hand, right? And I didn't want him to die alone. That was my fear. I didn't want him to know that I wanted to know I was there and that whatever happened in the past was was okay point being if you had told me that's that that that would

have been me five years i would have believed it i wouldn't have believed it you know it's thank you that scares the shit out of me it's it's an interesting thing no you're right though you're absolutely right it's one of those things where your friends probably said hey dick grillo on he's fun to talk to you are by the way you know in a sense that you know you said your father was always emotional you could cry he would scream he would do whatever yeah like how do you feel like like with rami i see great kid in the other room he's just full of life he's an actor he's got a movie coming out what's the movie he's a director he directed a movie it's called the resurrection of charles manson it's out now and all the streamers what i how old is he he's 20 he was 25 when he did it right out of film

school and he listen he and the first cut of it was horrific he had a lot of shit to deal every first cut's horrific and my buddy gavin o'connor who directed warrior we gave we he watched it with me we gave him notes and remi went back for three months and cut the movie in a way that was really cool and creepy and people love this little kind of Charles called the resurrection of Charles Manson yeah already directed a movie yeah 25 years old he was now my question was do you feel like you know you're like affectionate with him like you say I love you so much oh they have to kiss me to good night they have to my son is you cried to him my son's 26 when he leaves the house he has to tell me where he's going when he gets there he tells me he's landed when

he's leaving the house that he's at he has to tell me he's so italian i'm so are you smothering him i'm smothering him and i does he tell you dad dad no he just gives me a look but i have three sons and i am i am also hyper effect i love them to the point where they're saying stop you can't kiss me when you drop me off at pali high are they rebellious at all have any of them been no no no they're good they're all good boys they really are my my my middle one is uh uh on the spectrum um so he's a little kooky he's a little like when he talks he sounds like borat like he's he it's not that he says the wrong things he just says them in a way that sounds like he might be a foreigner really it's really wild he's got a language processing thing he's beautiful and so they're all they're all just

really great kids I've been blessed with great kids they have a great mother a both of them I have two different mothers um I've been I've been and you're still friends with them oh yeah yeah even the one that like you were devastated you you were finally able to oh yeah oh yeah Yeah, yeah. We're great friends. In fact, her mom, I'm like really like Debbie Downer today, but her mom is passing right now. She just had a stroke. She's in Rhode Island. And my ex-wife, Wendy, had a terrible relationship with her and she was debating on whether to go. And today I had a long conversation. I said, listen, you should get on a plane. I'll take the kids to get on the plane. For your soul, for your soul, go there and just sit with your mother.

I said the other thing is if she's alone and she's cognizant and she knows she's alone and that's the last thing you don't want that and so she's going on a plane she's going to go and see her mother at you know so yeah so we're back it took us three years

I was devastated like she broke your heart well no it was my fault I made a terrible error and that was not fixable and you tried to yeah I tried to I tried to and it just you know when when when it's just fractured that much.

Did you learn from it? Oh, my God. They say you don't learn. Like, I, that happened to me years ago where I let the love of my life sort of go, like, because of selfish reasons. Right. And I just was like, oh, yeah, you know. And when I try to get her back, she was with somebody.

Right. And it was a, I've never felt like that. So when you hit rock bottom and when you do it because of an action that you are, that you, you were the responsible person, it just, it's devastating. Devastating. And that's the only way sometimes people change

when they truly lose something that's so close to them and it's their fault, maybe then that's the moment where I have to change the way. Yeah, and that's what me, that was me. And I was the guy, you know, there's a little part of your brain,

I think it's next to the amygdala where. Migla, there's an amygdala in your brain? Amygdala, which is the fighter flight. Oh, the amygdala. But there's another place, not far from there, that will, allow you, allows us to justify things that we do, right? That's part of your brain.

And I had a very strong, that was very strong in my brain. Strong amygdala. Next to the amygdala. Next to the amygdala. I forgot the name of that part of the brain. You know the amygdala. No? That should be a movie called Next to the Amygdala about a guy who can't control himself.

Shave your head, you're the guy. I'm in. I'm fucking in. I love it. Anyway, I did a lot of that as a stupid guy. you know always making justifying my stupidity yeah and i've learned from from my my divorce uh now not to do that not first of all not to do stupid things that i know are stupid you know don't don't be a pleasure seeker well do you think a lot of these actions happened i i find if you look at like

the bad things that we do in like the bad mistakes if you're a drinker probably has something to do with drink bam it always does i mean i was If you're not clear, you make the bad decision, period. And brother, I started to kind of backtrack to think when I wasn't, when I wasn't drinking, right? Not necessarily drunk because I wasn't a drunk. Like I didn't, you didn't, I wasn't sloppy. Still a buzz, still something to make you go. This feels like fun.

There you go. There you go. That's it. Yep. That's, I think, you know, I have someone in my life that that's like, you know, once that happens, it opens the floodgates. Yeah. They never would have done certain things. I know.

And you do things that just can devastate other people. I notice about myself now, like, I don't react. Like, I'm dealing with this house. And it's, you know, I joke about it. Like, I paid a lot of money for the house. And now I'm paying a lot of money to fix the house. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, there's got to be some kind of insurance that covers you.

It doesn't cover building defects. And so this is a building defect. So I could either choose to litigate, like, then I'm paying three, four, $500,000 to litigate the owner and the builder. You know, or I get it. What about the person who came and looked at? at the house and made sure everything was okay. Sue him.

The, the, the, the, um, inspection. But they couldn't see it because it was hidden inside of, they only can inspect what they can inspect, like what they can see. Right. And all the house has great bones, but in any event, um, I would have probably killed somebody. Like, you know, normally I'm a hothead, but I'm not as a hothead as I thought I was from not drinking.

Like, I've been a lot calmer and I just realized that. It's amazing because I look, you and if you had like you're obviously your arms are huge you're all tatted out you're handsome as fuck but if i'm a big dude at some bar and you're in there and you got a shirt on like you're like fuck this guy i'm sure people probably didn't realize all the training and how much ass you could probably kick oh oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean i've been in a lot of fights have you had those are you let me ask you something are you fearless when you get in a fight or do you get nervous no i don't get nervous i know that you know that's the first thing when

you learn to fight is you learn to control your breath and your heart rate and so the first thing you do is relax and I can tell in two seconds if you this person doesn't know what they're doing yeah and I can tell exactly I know exactly what you're going to do I could just like look in the middle of your body you're just going to go for a punch in the face or grab the throw something whatever they're going to do it's you know and you know obviously at this point in my life I don't want to fight but but yeah I know how to fight I mean whatever it's like it's like it's like being a mechanic like you've done it so much that you're like you're fearless though there's something there's got to be something really good to feel like you're not

scared to be like if somebody's at your door somebody's in the backyard if you're like at a traffic stop and goes hey i'm gonna get out of car and kick your ass to have that kind of relax sort of like no you're not no i'd love to have that go over have you said that oh my god do you get out yeah of course have you kick somebody's ass oh yeah quickly quickly yeah are they surprised like holy shit yeah i mean you know most people don't know how to fight like they could be there would be tough guys or they can be you know there's a lot of buff people but that has nothing to do with, you know, the toughest guys I know, don't lift weights.

Really? So, but, you know, that's not why I love fighting. Like, I did a docket series for Netflix called Fight World because I was an Anthony Bourdain fanatic. Right. And so I took- Don't bring up his death. Oh, man, devastated me.

Yeah, yeah. But I took his format and I, instead of fight culture, and food culture, I got into fight culture. That's awesome. And I traveled around, because I wanted to understand what makes people, want to fight. Do you know? Because it goes against your nature to fight. It really does. I mean, human beings are meant to run away, you know. What is it? It's I don't, the only through line that I

really found was most of the countries that I went to, and I went to Israel and Myanmar and Thailand and Brazil. Most of these are impoverished, you know. Nothing to lose. Nothing to lose. It's a way to just kind of get out. And that's, it becomes part of the culture, much like soccer in many places. You learn to be tough. You learn to be like nothing's going to affect. Hey, you're not going to scare me.

I live with rats. I live, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, you know, I'm on the precipice of dying every day. Yeah. What do you got? What do you got? Yeah.

So those are the guys you don't want to fight. Yeah, you don't, man. Because they don't fight for points. They, you know, like I went to Israel and, you know, they're surrounded by, you know, no, no, no, no, no, 23 hostile nations. You know what I mean? I mean, they went through a lot, Israel, and they still do.

And, you know, barring whatever politics you have, I mean, these people, you know, it's about the dirt, you know. So there's nothing you're really going to do. Yeah, they've seen it. Yeah, you know, it's about protecting that dirt and their kids, you know, and never again looking down and letting anybody. So there's that fearless kind of thing. Yeah, you know. Let me ask you this. What is like, if you were to get in a fight, not you, proverbial you.

Yeah, me, you, Jason, guys that really don't fight. I've been in fights. I've lost more than I've won. But how long are these fights that you've lost? Hmm. They weren't long, they didn't last long. Yeah, I mean, they're flash fights, I call them. Yeah, it might have last three minutes.

Yeah, well, that's not bad. That's a good fight. Yeah, I was exhausted. In three, that's the other thing. Stamina. Yeah, when you're fighting, what happens is... Your adrenaline. Your adrenaline comes.

Talk about the amygdala. Your fighter flight kicks in. And now you're fighting, right? You don't know how to breathe when you fight unless you're a fighter, unless you know, unless you've learned how to control your breath. Your breath controls your heart rate. So once your heart starts pumping blood and your breath is, you're short breathing, right? You're almost going to hyperventilate if you keep fighting.

You have to know how to relax, take a punch. So you could do it inadvertently. Subconsciously, you're already doing that. Of course, of course, yeah. But what if somebody like me, if somebody wanted to fight and I had to, what's the one place you go to if you had to fight if you had to tell somebody look man you're gonna you're gonna get hit anyway

you might as well fuck if you could hit first yeah I mean you know you want to go for the soft tissue you know you you know you want to hurt some so you have to be willing to also hurt somebody you know you want to stick somebody like in Israel they do Crob Maga which is whatever's available use whatever is available it's violent

and fast and that's what you want to be if you get into a fight violent and fast you know it's not like I'm gonna try to punch you in the face. You know, you know what's worse than getting punched in the face? Getting punched in the liver, which is right under your rib on the right side of your body. You punch somebody in the liver. Within about two seconds, it releases every toxin that's inside of it and the person will drop down to us. Have no control over his faculties. Just right under there. Right under there. Right side. Boom. Not even hard. So if you know. What about in the throat.

Yeah, I mean, but you have to be able to, you know, because just naturally people will drop their chin. So how do you going to. But if they're like this. Yeah. Yeah. And people do that. Yeah, come on. Yeah, tough guys will come and go like that. Well, they used to, and they stick their head out. Yeah, but, you know, look, fighting's horrible. It's when it's not control. It's painful.

You know, it is. It's painful. Yeah. You know, it hurts a lot when the adrenaline kind of goes away and, and, uh... Have you lost fights? Um, street fights? Not one-on-one. But if there's two or three guys, maybe.

Yeah, I've had a couple of fights where there was, with bouncers and stuff. And they, you know, they got the better of me because there was more of them. Yeah. Do you do some teeth? Nah. You know, I got to tell you, I'm a grappler, and I know how to throw my hands. So I'm okay in both places. I'm a wrestler.

I'm good on my back from jujitsu, and, you know, I do it all. So I know how to handle myself. You know, unless I'm fighting Donald Soroni or, you know, George St. Pierre, I'm fine. But as someone ever just throwing a punch and you were like, you expect it, like a blindsided? But, you know, I naturally roll, like just from fighting, you know, if you threw a punch of me, I move my head. You're probably going to miss me. Or you're just going to roll off.

And then you're at him like a predator. Oh, boom, boom. It's fast. It's fast. Like a couple punches out. Yeah. Well, just one left hook to you.

You're not used to being punched in the face. No? No, I don't like it. Yeah. I've been punched in the face. I don't like it. Or if I take you to the ground, you're going to be like a fish out of water.

You're going to be on the ground. You're going to put your hands up like this to protect yourself. And I'm going to get you folded up in the nothing. Oh, you're done. As soon as you do that, you're done. You know, jiu-jitsu is a scary thing to know. You know, but nowadays, you know, because of UFC, a lot more people are pretty, you know, are pretty good at it.

Yeah. So you never know who you're going to, you know. But here's the deal. If you're a martial artist, if you're a fighter, a martial artist or a fighter, certainly a professional fighter, that's the last thing you want to do. You're not, you're trained not to fight. Exactly. You know what I mean?

It's always like the gumbas in New York. You know, they take their shirt off somehow and they want to fight you with no shirt on. I'm like, there's always those guys that I'm like, God, I just want that guy to get their ass kicked. They do. They eventually do, right? Somebody's going to eventually. Have you ever had anybody you work with on set?

You don't have to say the name, obviously. But somebody you're like, he needs to be smacked around a little bit. A few times. How do you keep your cool because you're a tough guy? Well, you don't like people getting picked on. You don't like. Yeah, you don't like bullies. You don't like, you know, you just walk over to him and say,

hey, man, we're done. Let's just go outside. Nobody, just me and you will go outside. Like to talk? Yeah. No, no. No, no, we'll go outside. You know, you want to be this way.

We'll go outside. You've said that? Oh, what do they say? Probably more times than... They've never done it. Never. Never. When you say that, they...

No, 99% of the people out there do not want an altercation. Nor do I. I mean, I don't, you know, I don't train to be, to fight in the street. Like, I train, because I love it. Like, I love... Yeah. It's an art. It's an absolute art.

I have no, I have so much respect for fighters. You know, like, I see some of these women. who you want to talk about going against your nature no yeah they are and they're so because women don't have the egos that men have so they learn like they they're some of these women are phenomenal fighters yeah that is awesome i know we you know it's funny we haven't even talked to career at all who cares no but i love it look i gotta bring this up because it's one of my good friends scott con i i just interviewed jk simmons oh you did i got frank grillo here one day as a lion yeah Scotty Khan how about that man he's just like one of those guys who just wants to

want to write wants to he's always got his hands in it and I love that he wrote this movie I love that he got such a great cast it's it's such a throwback it's got comedy in it it's like one of these it's you haven't seen it yet it just came out and and Scotty somehow is really funny and and just like vulnerable and like you like him which is it's so important in the I know and and I said to him I go and I said brother I don't want you to take this the wrong way. You are so much like James Kahn, like, who's one of my favorite actors ever. Oh, yeah. And he was just on. I just talked about it all. Yeah. I'm like, brother, you kind of walk like him. Your shoulders are like him. You're hairy like him. Go with it.

You have that charm like he had. Do you know what I mean? He's got there's a toughness. And he wasn't always like that, Scott. Like, maybe he was fighting against it. I don't, I don't It's funny you say that because I told him, I go, I knew you from back then. I, we were friends. you just, there's a, it's, it's a great, but like, it's a different, like a presence. I know, man. It is. It's something, it's crazy. I know.

He's come into his own and he's a really talented writer. Like, he's a really talented writer and humble. Like, he's super humble guy, man. Like, when I saw the movie and all I could think about was how happy I was for him. Yeah. I was like, man, this is great. And the performance is your performance and J.K. and freaking, I mean, everybody, George, George Carroll and like, it's like everybody's good and everybody has the part.

That opening scene in the movie I talked about last time is just like, whoa, whoa, what? And all of a sudden the cook gets shot in the neck. And you're like, whoa, what just happened? And she's great. All the women were great, all the women are great, Terran Manning. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, and you play, you're like the hitman who via George character.

I'm the Gumba, yeah. Like you got to. Do you love playing characters like that? I do. I don't get a chance to play him like that a lot. I've never really played Italian guys. But John Swab, who directed it, I, I've made. five, I've made all his movies with him.

What? Oh, yeah, yeah. I've done every movie with him. So he's my guy. So when he spoke to Scotty, I go, he goes, Scotty wants to know if you be, I go, yes, send me the script. And I read it. I'm like, this is fantastic. So it really came together in an interesting way. And I don't get to play Italian kind of goomba guys. I don't know why. I mean, I could do it.

Yeah, it's fun. If you had to do it. You know, I know that. The guy I played is my father, every one of my father's friends. You know, like I grew up in a bunch, they're all idiots. Yeah. They all think, you know, I mean, again, emotionally unstable guys, always, you know, frustrated and, you know, anyway. I was born in Long Island, oh, you were.

Yeah, but I grew up in Indiana from eight on, but like my whole family's New Yorkers, Bronx, you know, all that shit, Long Island. And I remember one time I was staying with my grandma for the summer and my dad and my mom came to visit. It was her mom, my mom's mom and my grandma Ruthie, I have a tattooed somewhere. but she's uh she was the toughest you don't fuck with her right you didn't fuck with her she'd go if you don't like it get the hell out of my house get out she threw a bone at my sister's head like crazy so we're there one time it's Christmas my parents come to visit and there's the doorbell rings and

I go down and it's Anthony Pellegrino from across the street I might have told the story and he goes and he's got these two kids in headlocks he goes Michael these two assholes were jumping on you to sell what do you want me to do with him and i go what he goes they were jumping on your fucking to sell i was having a workout across the street and i you know his mother was chicky pellegrine oh i've had chickies in my life and i said i said dad come here he's like what is it you know comes down sees these two kids and had a leg goes hey mark what do you want me to do with these guys they were jumping on your son's their cell and he go we go out to the car and there's no dance or anything and i go ah you know you guys are fucking idiots just just get the fuck out

and everything was calm and all of a sudden my grandmother out of the blue comes with this giant tree branch waxed this kid in the head you pieces of shit coming into my neighborhood with my grandson you mother and I'm like

oh my god but I know that New York mentality that you don't fuck with us no man you know it's just like oh yeah and I grew up with a lot of kids you know my family and animals you know and we would beat the shit out of each other all day long and our fathers would beat us up like we you know we were like

mad dogs but if one of us was in a fight with one of the neighbors the whole all of us were you know you don't touch my brother you know like you don't touch you remember those fights oh they were great launch shares being oh yeah the old remember the lawn chair yeah with a little uh what you sit on it's your cheap little fucking like criss cross stitching or whatever you get it like you know that the Tart, the A&P. A&P, you might even, yeah, exactly, or maybe wallbounds. Remember wall bounds?

I do, man. What else was there? Listen, my mother, she, you know, they loved coffee and cake. You know, who's coming over for coffee? Of course. Coffee cake. Coffee cake.

And so they had Entomins. Entomis, yes. But my mother would go to the Entomins next day store, where the, it was literally a store dedicated to cake. that was like a day before it was going to be stale. And that's good for her. You better eat it now. Right.

You have to eat it. She'd also come home from the A&P where the meat was just about brown. Oh, man. Because it was cheaper, man. Yep, that's it. It's so. I mean, I can talk about the purge movies.

Are you going to do any more purge movies? They got one written. James DeMonico is from Staten Island. Did you done two? I'd done two. it with him who created it and then he then he just produced the rest of him but he's got the last one which is just about my character all written all done but blum and universal and michael bay they have to kind of figure out when uh but you're going to do it again yeah i would definitely man i you know i love

those are hard work right it is you're always fighting you're always fun no it's you love that i love it i've done so many movies and they probably go frank what do you think yeah right yeah well i got this idea i love I did a movie a little while back with my partner Joe Carnahan called Boss Level. And it was me and Mel Gibson and Naomi Watts. And I'm basically all and on every, I'm on every shot of the movie. But I did all my, it's, I relive. It's like Groundhog Day meets Die Hard. I kind of relived.

And I did all of my own everything. And I had the most fun. Boss level? You got to check it out. Is it good? It's phenomenal. It's on Hulu. You got boss level one day has a lot.

Oh, no, I have like 60 movies that I've done. Yeah, I saw something like that. You have like all these freaking, I mean, I mean, how do you bring all of those? And I do everything. Yeah, I know. I got to stop. I have to stop for a while. Home front with Jason State. I mean, come on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fine. You know, look, I'm a blue collar guy. You put your shoes on and go to work, you know? And in the last five years, they've been paying me money that I never thought I would make. So you take advantage of it. Yeah, I mean, how long are they going to pay me? You know what I mean?

It's like, I don't know. Probably forever. No, probably not. No, what's going to happen is this. Frank Grillo is one of those guys that people know either the Marvel movies and all that. How many Marvel movies have you done? Three. Winter Soldier.

And now I'm doing D.C. Now you're doing D.C. With gun. Yeah. That's right. With gun. Wait, what did you do with gun? No, I'm about to.

Oh, you can't say it. No, I just got hired. So you can't say what you're doing. No. You can't say the project. No, because I get in trouble whenever it's. Because there's a million projects. Who knows what it is.

Right, right. It's their first, yeah. Yeah. Well, as long as you're not playing five. I'm not playing Lex Luthor. Only one person could play Lex. No, that's true. He's doing a completely different version. People are you going to play your good friends with James? You know, James is a very close friend of mine. I'm like, dude, he's got a whole new thing figured out. There's like a whole new, I'm not like, if he wants to give me your role, let him give me your role.

I'm not going to, I'm the same way. I'm the same way. I'm one of my best friends. If you, you know what I could do. Right. If you want to hire me, hire me. I'm not going to say, I'm not, I don't do that show. I'm not begging for fun. No, no, no, no, I have old grudges, but no, no, no, I don't. I mean, I mean, the Marvel movies, I mean, do you find, look, obviously probably can't say, but do you think, like, you know, back in our time where it was like, Rado's the Lost came, right?

The Lost Ark came out, you know, and then you had to wait two years for Temple of Doom or Star Wars came out and then three years for... I love that. I loved the waiting and the anticipation and the, but now it's like almost every weekend. There's a million... No, they've killed... Listen, first of all, I don't know what COVID has done to the movie business, but, you know, when I did Captain America Winter Soldier,

Marvel was not, they had done Iron Man. And by the way, people love that movie. That's a great movie, right? As a movie itself, not as a Marvel movie. Yeah, that's right. Also, Logan. Yes. I didn't see it, but people told me Logan, I have to see it.

It's fantastic. Yeah. It's very dark. It's really cool. Yeah. And so it was Winter Soldier, but you waited for the next, like, and then all of a sudden Marvel blew up and, you know, now it's like, now it's all over the place.

Now it almost seems like it's all the same. same. So who cares? You got to make it special. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I think they need to kind of, and I think they are. I think now they're going to put out less. How about three movies a year? Yeah. You know what I mean? Three great movies a year. Thank you. Thank you. And by the way, they got to be careful with the Star Wars. It's everywhere too. It's like all over the place. Yeah. And what happens? They get backlash. Manalorian's brilliant. Right. But then you got the other series that are just like, oh, this and this. I'm not saying I hate them, but like solo and all these other. That to me, I'm a giant Star Wars fan.

I'm like, don't care. I don't care. Don't care. Man, Lorin, I finally care. Right, right. Just make, let John Favro be in charge of everything. There you go. John Favro, by the way, brilliant.

He's brilliant. Yeah. I love John Favro. Yeah. He's, he directed my favorite movie ever. Let me guess. Elf. Yeah.

I love Elf. Jimmy Con. Dude, that movie made me cry. The sleigh when it comes at the end. I fucking cried at Elf. I know. I cried at Elf. By the way, I took my kids to see Dungeons and Dragon.

I heard it's good. Chris Brian's really great. I hear it's good. But at the end, Dungeons and Dragons. You cried. I was crying. You got that gene from your dad. That's what you got.

You know, fucking, God, it touched on everything. I mean, you worked with Ryan Reynolds and Sam Jackson. I punched Ryan Reynolds in the face. By accident? Yeah. That didn't feel good. No, so there's a scene where it's Ryan and Sam and Selma, and we have them tied up.

Their hands behind their back. and I'm coming in to interrogate him. I'm from bomb, the detective. And I got, he's doing his thing where he yaps, you know, and I punch him in the face, right? So I take a swing and he goes, Grillo, do not punch me in the face. I go, brother, I've been boxing since I'm 11.

I'm not going to punch you in the face. Just don't lean in. First take, I clip him right in. Like not all contact, but a little contact? I hit him. You grazed him? I hit him. Yeah, I hit him.

And he's, and. Did you Brian Glazer in? Or was it, it wasn't a full one, he was knocked out. No, no, no, I grazed him in any end, but that's the take that they kept in the, uh, Was he pissed? No, no, he was a good sport about it. He's like, what the fuck? I make $29 million a movie.

What are you doing? Yeah. Oh, my God. Who do you get starstruck? Do you get starstruck anymore? You've worked with everybody? You know, I do get starstruck, and I like that I get starstruck. Me too.

You know, I become friends. It took me a minute. I become friends with Stallone called me. And, uh, worked with him on. Gardens 2 and 3. Right. I became, like, very, very friendly with him. He's great, right?

Yeah. He called me up because he wanted to redo Nighthawks as a TV series. I love that movie. So you said, you know, I think, uh, you played my role and we'll find a new Rutger hour and I direct. And I went, well, let me think about it. Okay. Yeah.

And, uh, and then he went and did Tulsa Kings. But anyway, I subsequently became friends with him. I would go to his house and, and then, you know, like, I'd go to his house on the weekends and we'd be up there, just the boys. And it would, the boys are. You know, me, Stallone. Dolph, Lungren. Dolph, Arnold, Pacino, Sugar Ray Leonard, Bill Burr.

All in the room. All in the room. Just hanging out. Hanging out. Did you feel comfortable? Well, I was like, you know, at one point we were watching the Canelo fight, and Sugar Ray is here and Pacino, who's holding my arm like an old Italian man, you know, like, we're locked like this.

and they're they're showing a a flashback of ray leonard's fight against Tommy herons on the fight and he's sitting next to me and Pacino's leaning over laughing and I'm like this is ridiculous this is like you know you used to have those I used to have those dreams like about Frank Sinatra like I'd be hanging out with Frank Sinatra and wake up and go wow I was hanging out with Frank Sinatra in my dreams it felt surreal did someone take a picture of that yes I have pictures Stallone took pictures. They put that on his Instagram. Will you send me that picture or text me?

I'll post it when your interview comes out of you and the gang. Yep. I had Dolph on the podcast. He's great. He's brilliant. I did a little movie with him. What'd you do? I just jumped for one day.

They asked me to, against my agent's wishes. But he played this commander of some U-boat. It wasn't an action movie. And it was based on some real life event. And I just played like an American general. uh for a day um it was a fun it was fun and of course but i was on the poster so did you you know that no were you pissed i got a little in trouble yeah yeah like what do you put me as well the agents too that my age's like what are you doing like you know you every time because what happens at this

point now every time i put myself on a movie i get diluted it dilutes so then if they're out there selling another movie and they want me to be in it they're going i like he's got that and that coming out. We're not in the Frank Rillo business this week. Yeah, because I feel like you're the kind of guy that if you didn't have somebody watching your back like that, you'd be like, yeah, all right. You're just a regular guy. I do. I'll do your movie. Sure, man. Yeah. When we show it, what you're like? Yeah. Yeah. I was like that for a long time until I was like, uh, most of these movies aren't good. Right. I can't do this. Right. It hurt me. It's actually hurt my career. No, I don't think it's hurt you. But what are you going to do? I think you're the kind of guy that

honestly, people want to be around you. Look at Pacino. Look at Salone inviting me and things. People want to be in business with you. You're fun to work out. You're a tough guy. You're a cool guy. You got a good head on your shoulders. You're open and honest. You don't see that a lot.

You've worked. You know what you're doing. They can rely on you. And I think there's not a doubt. Like one movie's going to hit where everybody sees it and go, who's Frank Krullos? And you're like, Frank Krillow's been here for fucking 30 years. Yeah, I know.

You know what I mean? That's what happens where you're like, dude, this guy's been awesome. Have you seen this? Have you seen it? Like, no, what? you know what I mean you're that guy it's fine you look I have a fun career it's you know I get to slide in and out of things and and I get paid pretty well but yeah it's it's funny because you go along like my friends run that show billions and I and I'm friends with

Giamati I went and I was going to do a couple of episodes I went to Paul Giamatti and he's great he's great I got the best story about Paul Giamatti walking in my hotel room while I'm naked with a woman in a bed no yeah ask him about it you know Paul very well say Paul Michael Rosenbaum, my friend of him, I just did his podcast. He was telling me a story where you walk in at Sundance and they gave you his room key and you brought all your luggage and he looks at me and goes, oh, oh, wow, wow, oh, sorry, oh, I don't, I don't, great job, all right.

And I go, hey, and he walked out and the next thing he was doing press night. And he goes, oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, excuse me, oh, my God. Like he goes on that, can I tell the story? I'll tell everybody. I can tell it. I don't care. Ask him about it. He'll never forget it.

It's amazing. He'll never forget that story. amazing she wasn't completely naked by the way paul giamati not a bad boxer really a little known fact sounds like a box you know paul giamati he'll fucking kick your ass uh this is called uh shit talking with frank grillo this is my top tier patrons they it's rapid fire you answer quickly if you want to talk for a little more than a second okay whatever but it's like boom right uh patrons support the podcast love you uh patreon dot com slash inside of you thank you i love you guys here we go my p what is the biggest misconception people have about you uh that i'm a tough guy

right I don't know first thing I said I don't know him he could be a tough guy like I'm not gonna answer that fucking question who the fuck are you

Charlene C been a fan since you played Hart Jessup on guiding light how did you like working on a soap opera some actors kind of

look down on it after they hit it big while others embrace it I loved it I loved it it's where I met my wife and it was great training

and discipline and listen man you know again I'm blue color. I had a job. That's right. And by the way, how hard does it learn all those lines? You do, you know, script a day. I can never do it. Yeah. I really could never do it. And I'm not that good looking. Ray H. What do you do to relax? Getting to fight?

It's funny you say that. I train. I fight. Yeah. I box. Boxing because it's repetitive motion. It's very zen. I box. And it does relax me. I do it every morning. If I miss it, my day's off. And you probably can't sleep well. No. I mean, I train every day. No matter what, if you're working 14 hours a day, you train. I train. And now it's built into my contract that I have go to the gym in the morning. So the day needs to start at seven instead of six. Yeah. Do you still someone with your stamina and your like endurance? Do you still get tired during the day? Or are you always full energy? I have a lot of energy, but I've always been that way. Always. Once in a while, I'll close my, if I sit down, I'll take a nap for 15, minutes and I'm up and I'm you know back at it but I do everything at my house like I'm I'm I don't sit still my my son put a test to it I mean you you can't put a cup down without me coming by picking it up OCD oh yeah me too I got a little OCD do you stress still do you get anxiety still yeah I do I worry about

my kids a lot but I have overall you know I I grew up with no money and I'm always worried that the ice cream is going to melt and I'm not going to have any money and I'm going to have to sell my house you know I I'm always worried yeah I'm always worried yeah Yeah, like if my phone doesn't ring for a week and I don't get a movie off from, that's it, it's over. You know what I mean? I still have that, which I don't mind because it keeps you, I think a little bit of anxiety is good.

I'm neurotic in a way that I'll call my business manager every month once for an hour. FaceTime, he goes, here it comes. And I go, if I just didn't do anything, how long could I survive? He's like, you're not doing this. I know. He goes, because you go, I go, why?

I just want to know, can I live a year, five years, what is it? He's like, don't get married, I'll tell you that. Sophie, Am, can you tell us something fun behind-the-scenes stories from your time on prison break? Ah, prison break, fun stories. All of the actors were deathly afraid of all the real convicts that they were working with or around because it was a functional prison. And they weren't as tough as you thought. were. Really? Yeah. They were like little school girls with their lunches like getting cat

calls by by real prisoners. Did you work with Bill Thickner? Yeah, a little bit I did. Bill's a good friend of mine. He was on the pocket. Great actor. I worked with him too. He was great. He was great. Nico P. What type of characters are you most drawn to? I'm drawn to dark, you know, troubled, you know, I don't know, anti-heroes, you know, those kind of, you know, not, those classic kind of Charles Bronson kind of characters. What's your favorite movie of all time? You have to pick one or two. Favorite movie of all time.

Rocky? No, it's probably the movie I've watched the most. There's two of them. It's probably either the godfather or heat. Really? Yeah. I never really got in the heat, but I only saw it once a long time ago.

Should I revisit it? Yeah, revisit it. It's that good? It's that good. Do you see the new Top Gun? One of my favorite movies. I loved it. I don't even remember liking the first Top Gun.

This one's amazing. And Tom, how about this? A 61-year-old white guy brought the movie business back to the, back on its feet. And then then Keanu, about to be 60, just killed it again. Like, it's, it's nice to see these guys. So he worked with him? Not Keanu. I did a movie with him, and he's the nicest guy.

Everyone says it. I would walk up to him every day and drag and be like, hi, Keanu. He's like, hello. How are you? That's how he is. And I'm like, I'm like, great. That's going to be a great day. Isn't it?

He goes, well, I hope so. And he's great. You're like, okay. All right. This is great. Peace and drag. All right. What do we do now?

Zero, Dark 30, end of watch. Wheelman. The boss level, which you say, I have to see. Yeah, it's fun. Remind me, I'm watching the boss level. And one day as a lion. Yeah. Scotty Con, man.

You got to see this movie. It's so much fun. And it's like a throw, it's reminding me like a little Tarantino-esque with the comedy kind of thing and the way it's shot. I just really enjoyed it. And by the way, you know,

this is the great thing if you really love movies. made for, you know, on a shoestring budget. Support indie movies, man. Yeah, just bringing your friends in to make a movie and doing it for the right reason. And it really, I went, they screened it at CAA and I was like, wow, that's as much better than I would ever imagine it to be, you know? So great filmmaker, John Swab, and phenomenal Scott Com. Were your parents both proud of you?

Yeah, my mother, you know, I was on the cover of those soap opera magazines every week. Oh, she loved that. And I might as well have been Carrie Grant. My mother didn't know the difference between a soap opera, a sitcom, or a movie. It doesn't matter. It's all the same, right? It's all the same. So she'd be, you know, getting groceries and there would, I would be, you know, usually

shirtless on the cover of soap opera magazine or soap opera weekly. And that would my mother would say, that's my son. This is my son. He's a star. I'm like, what about your dad? Not until he saw the gray. I flew them out to the premiere of the gray. And my father was bawling.

And he could barely speak to me. like he had no clue that i like did he give you a hug oh yeah he was and and you know at that premier we're like everybody was you know Liam and bradley cooper and all of our friends that like that was a big deal that and that that wasn't that many years ago before he passed like you no because the gray no the gray was 11 years ago it was it feels like it was just out like five years ago it's because we're getting old fuck you um i love it man you seem like i mean you get the world the world is your oyster, buddy. I love it. I love getting to know you. I want, don't you want to hang out with this guy now? Like I told. Brother, I live five minutes away. Don't say your address.

But we got to totally hang out. I have movie nights in my screen room. I'm in. I'm in. I'm usually alone, but, you know, or with my kids. So I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't I love Remy too. What are your other kids names? Liam after Liam Neeson. Really? Before I met Liam Neeson, uh, real quick, I took my pregnant wife at the time to see the Crucible on Broadway with Liam Neeson and Laura Linney. And I'm a father junkie. Like I always, I'm always looking for who could have been my father, right?

Right. And out comes this gigantic, beautiful Liam Neeson. And I watch, and it's one of my favorite plays, and I watch him and I look at my wife, who's half Irish, and I go,

we're naming the kid, Liam. So we name him Liam after Liam Neeson, right? Years later, I do worry, I get a call from Joe Carnan. I got a movie called The Grey. No matter what your agent say, you're in this movie. Just know this, right?

calls me up and goes, I want you to come and sit with me and Liam. I said, Liam who? He goes, Liam Neeson's playing out with. So I go up and I meet with them. We get shit-faced and it's a little bar on the Upper West Side by his house. And at like 4 o'clock in the morning,

I said, I got to tell him the story about my kid. And then as I'm telling him, I'm going, is this going to sound weird? Like, am I going to sound like a stalker? Like, is this going to, and as I'm telling him, he starts to cry. And so it choked him up. He's a very emotional guy.

Yeah. You got Liam Nezzi. Neeson to cry because you named your kid after him. And then Liam Neeson had my mother and my kids come to Canada when we were shooting to Greg because he wanted to meet little Liam. And I got pictures of my mother phoning over Liam Neeson. You know, I still remember him and Schindler's list. Oh, my God.

At that end, seeing, I'll still ball when he's like, at the very end, he sees the people he saved, but the people he could have saved and he starts to think about it. He's like, look at this ring. Yeah. Could have saved. Yep. The car could have, I could have, I could have saved so many. And he starts to lose it.

I know. I'm just going. I know. I got chills just thinking about it. I'm going to take a picture of your whole night. I know. Yeah, you're going to do your boxing pose. I like that.

Why not? This has been freaking amazing. Yeah, brother. You're so easy to talk to you. Thanks for having me, really. Thanks for coming out. Yeah. Good luck with everything.

I wish you the best. I'm going to call gun after this and talk about what project it is. And, uh, cool. Yeah. You're coming back. You come back? Love, love, love, love. And come to my house, too.

I have fight nights and stuff. Yeah, absolutely. And by the way, John Bernthal, you know him? Yeah. He's a tough guy too, right? Good guy, yeah. He's a tough one. Yeah, he's a nose out of box.

Like he won't, he won't back down anybody. No, no, no, no, no. That guy seems pretty tough. Yeah, he's, and he's great. I love Johnny. And I've watched his career. We were going to do a movie together a long time ago. I became buddies with him.

Then we did a comic, we did a comic con, for whatever he was, I think he was on the, I've had the zombie show. Walking Dead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just love him. I mean, you know. Who would win in a fight between you two?

You're 58? 57. 57, how old is he? He's probably 40? Does age have to do anything with it? Not really. They say 50's good for a fighter. You got that old man kind of gorilla.

Toughness? Yeah, like, what are you going to do? But you wouldn't back down. From a fight? From Johnny. No. He wouldn't back down from you either. No.

I wouldn't expect him to. He's a stud. I'd back down from both of you. No, you wouldn't. I back down from your kids. I'm not fighting anyone. Well, if you won't. Except him.

Except you. All right. Love you, buddy. Thank you. Love you, man. Great guy. Easy to talk to. And, you know, honestly,

I wish I was as fearless as he is. When it comes to, like, if you fear someone or walking down a dark alley or what, you don't want to bump into him. If you're looking for a fight, you don't want to bump into Frank Grillo because he doesn't care. He's not scared.

That fear is gone. He's done so much training and work and fighting that that's past him. And if someone thinks they could, you know, look at him, go, oh, fuck this guy. They're in trouble. They're most likely going to be in trouble. You could just tell the relaxation when you ask him, are you worried about it? Nah, I don't get worried about that. stuff. Well, somebody just, you know, wants to fight. He was like, yeah, most people don't know

how to fight. So I know exactly what you do. I probably take five seconds in the fight. I'm like, oh my God, don't want to mess with that guy. Thank you for listening. Love you. Longtime, patreon.com slash inside of you, join patron, become a patron and help support the podcast, which all these people do. These are the top tiers. Yeah, tons of benefits by joining patron if you don't know. You get a box from me every three or four months. You get a little notes from me. You get an occasional Zoom, YouTube lives, shoutouts on the podcast. Your name shouted out.

You get to ask questions. Ryan, by the way, you were in England. I was in England. Again, it's like your fourth time. I mean, I've been many times. Do you like it? Did you find something fun to do? I love it.

I mean, I'm half English. Do you know that? Really? Yes. So all my summer vacations, like we'd, for a long time, we'd go visit my mom's family in the north of England. And they all speak English, British. Either from Yorkshire. That's how they talk. They're from the north. North. The North. The North. The North. But yeah. But I was just in London. And,

yeah, no, it's like, it's like going home a little bit. Like, I feel a kinship. I like that. And so I do. I like walking around London. I got like a few hours to myself. to just mill around the city and London's a great place to do that and I walked around and I got on random trains got off and found stuff to do. It was great.

You know, with me, you know, there are those people that explore like my friend John. Heater loves to just, he could just be by himself and explore and final cool stuff and I don't like that.

I prefer having someone who lives in the area, take me around and show me around and show me the cool places and what to do. I don't want to do. like to be sort of on my own. I've just, I'm not that person. I just like, I'm like, I don't want to get lost. I probably will. Yeah. But you know your way around a little bit. I didn't know where

I was at all. I mean, I had no. Really? No, but I, but I felt comfortable enough and confident enough. And it was, it was sort of good to, yeah, to remind myself of, uh, that I have the ability to, uh, and the confidence in myself to, to get around and figure it out. Maybe I should do, that more. Just say, you know, you get that ass up. Also, there are apps. There is GPS. You just plug in where you need to be and you and it'll figure it out for you. So as far away as I got from the people that I knew like when. You still were okay. I was going to be fine. Yeah. You still were okay. Still were okay. North, north. From the north. North. It's like Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones. In the North, John Snow.

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