Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - FRANKIE MUNIZ: Malcolm's Emotional Goodbye, NASCAR at 40 & Clearing the Air on His Memory

Episode Date: April 7, 2026

Frankie Muniz (Malcolm in the Middle, NASCAR) joins us this week for an honest and energized conversation about the long road to bringing Malcolm back, the physical and mental toll of racing full time in NASCAR, and what it really feels like to juggle two careers at the highest level. Frankie opens up about the emotional final day on the original series, what Bryan Cranston means to him as a father figure, and the identity crisis he faced when the nonstop pace of his life finally came to a halt. We also get into the truth behind his widely misunderstood memory issues and why, despite everything he has accomplished, he still feels like he has not done enough. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: ⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou⁠⁠ 👕 Inside Of You Merch: ⁠⁠https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/⁠⁠ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 ⁠⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show⁠⁠ __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: ⁠⁠https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠⁠ 🤣 TikTok: ⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast⁠⁠ 📘 Facebook: ⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠⁠ 🐦 Twitter: ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod⁠⁠ 🌐 Website: ⁠⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I never called myself an actor. But the day I wrapped, Malcolm Reboot, I was so happy for the first time of my life to put the label actor next to my name. But then I realized, like, why don't they really hang out with me as much as they hang out with the others? And I'm like, oh, because their moms come up to me and they're like, oh, I used to have your posters on my wall. We're the same age. I'm like, how my old is the moms? You know what I mean? Like, it's crazy.

Cut to the last take of the last shot that they filmed, I couldn't even get through it. Like, it was the most emotional day of my life. Like, because it took that last moment to realize, like, I was never going to be in this situation again. And with these people, I watched all the episodes with my wife. And she looked at me after 151 episodes. And she goes, you weren't acting at all. I was like, oh, I don't know how to take that. Am I that neurotic?

How long do you want to go? What did that period teach you about identity? Do you remember, like, any dark moments after Malcolm ended? So what's enough? I don't know. I really honestly don't know. Are you enough? That's a, like, it's a lot.

A load of questions. A lot of questions. I don't know. You're listening to Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Ryan Teas is here. I am here and I drop my headphones. Everybody knows. Yeah.

Well, you do that often. It does happen. Yeah, it does happen from time to time. But they're on and I figured out. Okay. I hope everyone's doing well and thank you again for listening to this podcast.

There's so many podcasts out there, but thank you for sticking with this one. We're a little podcast that could, right? I really try to make every episode. I try to get deep with. these guests and you know self-deprecation and and my story and hopefully they open up and it's magic when that happens when they do open up and they give back because you know everyone goes through shit we all go through shit we all have shit and it's important to talk about shit you know what I'm saying I think you do uh Frankie Munes is the guest he'll be around in just a minute uh it was wonderful

I've never seen such enthusiasm coming from Frankie he's he was very excited And it was really a great, great episode. I think you're going to really like it. If you're here for Frankie and you're like, you know, that podcast was really good. Just subscribe and support the show. And if you really want to help the show, join Patreon, P-A-T-R-E-O-N, Patreon. Patreon.com slash Inside of You. Give back to the show and keep it ticking.

Keep it going. Also, the Inside of You online store has tons of great march. Just check it out. you're going to be blown away. There's some really cool stuff. And what else? My Instagram is at the Michael Rosenbaum. I'm on cameo. I'm doing a lot of cons this year. I'm going on a cruise. Cruiseville with the cast of Smallville for our 25th anniversary. Get on board. Ryan's going. I'm going on the cruise. Yeah. We're going to have a great time. Tom and I are doing reef sharks. So there are these little sharks. So don't be scared. Get tickets. It's going to sell out. And I'm throwing a pajama karaoke party. You better be. karaoke with me, buddy. I guess so. I guess so. Guy just downplays the whole thing.

Yeah, whatever. No, it will be. Yeah. No, I'm very excited. And thanks for listening. Let's just, let's dive into this. I have to do the intro, and I hope you listen and not fast forward.

But let's get inside of Frankie Munis. Where you get nervous for a role. Oh, my God. I get panicked. Do you get anxiety? Yeah, I live with anxiety. What are you doing? I'm just taking a live picture.

I always get nervous. but that's fun. I look forward to it. Let's get everything out of today we can. And how much time do you have left? And how are you going to use it well? So come on now. We would have to do another inside of you. But actually, but that's kind of what you're doing, Michael.

I mean, you're on this road, this journey of what's inside of you. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. So we're here again. You know, this is like, and I look at you, you walk in and you're like, you know, all this traveling for Malcolm in the middle and, you know, you're racing at the same time and your mind's in a million different places. And it's like, you know, family, family, okay, I got to promote the show, got to promote. I got to race. I got to do all these things. And I'm thinking, how do you still look young? I mean, you're 40. It's hard for me to wrap my head

around. Me too, just when I see the number next to my name, you know, like I'm like on Peloton. on it says like Frank Mena's 40s and I'm like whoa that's that's weird like my mom is 40 but she's not she's 70 right you know what to me like right it's it's yeah it's it's interesting well you you always felt like you know growing up they always say this it's like when someone was in their 20s like they're old yeah you know that person's old I have a thing where like if I'm watching a reality show and it's like oh Joe 24 I'm like oh he's my age I'm like oh no I could literally be his dad isn't that something yeah maybe I am you know and now it's like for me It's granddad.

Now I could be the granddad. How old are you? 54 in July. Damn. No, no. You know. There's that Kevin Hart meme where, do you have you seen that with like Don Cheedle? Oh yeah.

He's like what? He gets pissed. Damn. Was that real? I don't know. It seemed to. Dude, so funny. Yeah.

You know, I always tell this joke, but this comedian's like, you know, they say 30's a new 20. Yeah. 40's a new 30. Yeah. But when you 50, you just damn 50. Ain't out new about that shit. That's true. And it's like, you know, do you still feel young?

Do you still feel like your kid? Yeah, I do, you know, especially, like even in the racing world, most the kids, most the kids that I'm racing are, you know, 18 to 25. So I kind of fit myself. Like I'm like, oh, yeah, we're all kind of the same age. Like I said, like, I think that. But then I realize, like, why don't they really hang out with me as much as they hang out with the others?

And I'm like, oh, because I've, their moms come up to me and they're like, oh, I used to have your posters on my wall. We're the same age. I'm like, how am I as old is the moms? You know what I mean? Like, this is crazy. Do you feel like when you're racing and you've been doing it a while? How many years have you been doing this?

I mean, I started in 2006 professionally, but then stopped in 2010. I got hurt and then started up again in 20, 22. But now it seems like it's a whole new, another level. It is. I mean, it's different. I used to do open wheel more IndyCar style racing. And it was also pre-social media. So, like, I was doing it at maybe the same.

level but nobody really knew right now people know now people know yeah and nascar i think people in america understand what naskar is more right um it's easier to explain and um yeah it's been it's been awesome well you know for me it's like you know as an actor um in college it took me a long time to say i'm an actor for someone to say oh what do you do i'm like oh you know um yeah um because i didn't think i earned it yeah okay and then overall the after all the years i started going to you know, what do you do? I'm an actor. Yeah.

I'm fucking, I'm an actor. I'm a good actor. How long did it take you to feel comfortable like in terms of racing? Like I belong here. I'm, I fit in. Or do you still kind of sometimes feel like.

No, I mean, I feel like I fit in. I'm definitely, I'm a race car driver. Like I can say that, right? You know,

you know, I'm one of a hundred people on the planet to have a NASCAR license, right? You know, there's not many people. Wait, 100? Yeah, if that,

you know what I mean? Because there's, there's three NASCAR series, right? There's the truck series, Xfinity and Cup, and each have about 30 or so drivers. One of a hundred. Yeah, right?

Holy shit. But no, I think with racing, I know that everybody kind of probably took it as like a publicity thing or, oh, he's going to come in a hobby. But then once you start beating people, they have to take you seriously, right? They have to go, oh, oh, no, he's a driver. And that's been kind of the most fun,

not the most fun thing, but a fun thing to have happen, you know, to exceed expectations, which, you know, fortunately in a sense, were set fairly low, right? So it's easy to exceed them. At the same time, most people, when they make a debut, nobody's watching, right? Nobody knows who they are. Right. Where me, like, there were so many cameras and so many eyes on me, like for my Arc of Daytona debut. You know, unfortunately, I went out and I was P1 in practice. I was the fastest, right? Yeah. I was like, all right. Yeah, tell this. Who is this kid?

Yeah, it's cool. But no, it's, it's, you know, it's still something, you know, you can, there's drivers in the top NASCAR series that if you go online, people will be online and be like, oh, they suck. It's like, well, they've won like 30 races and, you know, like, they're three-time champion, but you're right. So you still are going to hear that, like who people don't believe in what you're doing, but they're just, that's kind of, that's how it is. Or just, you know, if you like a certain team, like you say the other team sucks, right? or you go to the games and you talk, you know, crap to the other players, right? Do you hear crap from people like, fuck you, Munez?

Not in person, never in person. Always trolls online. Oh, always trolls online. Like, you know, I honestly, maybe in my whole life of 30 years of being kind of semi in the public eye, maybe one or two times if it has someone ever said something to be in person where I was like, oh, okay. Well, that's big.

I had that once. I always talked about it. I was signing autographs. and there's a line and this guy just kind of had his arms folded and he was Ryan knows this story verbatim and he just waits in line and he gets up there and he goes I just want to say that Gene Hackman is the best Lex Luthor ever and I go I agree and he just goes oh and then walked off he waited in line to tell me this I'm like you know but I equate what you're saying to um as an actor when I was doing stand-up comedy it wasn't like I was just going to um

laughing at, you know, some improv place and just going to open mic. Yeah. You know, it wasn't, you didn't have that sort of ability to hide it behind anything. Yeah. It was like, oh, he's trying comedy. Oh, this is my girl. Okay. Okay. So now I'm going up with a there was more pressure. Yeah. So there's definitely more pressure for you to go, I'm going to fucking prove them wrong. Even if they're not proving you wrong, you're doing it for yourself. But you can you can use it as motivation. You know what I mean? Like, you know, right now I'm so crazy, right? I'm busy. I'm racing in two different series. I have 42 races this year. 42 races this year. You know, Malcolm's coming out, which I'm obviously thrilled about. So I want to do everything I can to help spread the word that

it's going to be out next, you know, you know, April 10th. And, and, uh, but it's, it's hard to make sure that I'm focusing enough on everything to do a good job in all the things I'm trying to do. Yeah. You know, but I use that motivation of like, like, I don't want to let my team down. I don't want to let, I don't want to let the trolls give them a reason to say that I don't belong in the series. That's true. So like I just got to keep, keep going and how many people are on your team? Full-time employees. There's like 15 and then, you know, you got guys who come in and do the pit. They're not like full-time employees. They just do the pit stops. For the three cars, it would be another 18. So yeah, it's like a 30, 40, 40 people. And you see these guys constantly. Yeah. I probably spend more time with, with my team than I do with my own wife.

What's the age range? They're all, I don't want to say all younger. There's got to be a guy Joe who's like a mechanic. There's not a Joe, but, you know, they're 18 to, you know, our team, our shop manager is probably 50. You know what I mean? So there's a wide range of, you know, ages. But, you know, everybody has that same passion of like wanting to work 18 to 20 hours a day on cars to make them be ready for the, you know, the next race. And it's a grind. Like those guys work so hard. Like you think like, oh, the cars just show up, you know, they use their tools a little bit here. No, no, like to prep the cars every week, it's that I'm shocked. It's all about safety. It's all about all these things that they have to go over. They have to be meticulous.

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plp.com slash inside. I mean, every race that you race in is for money. Yeah. What's the lowest, like 42 races. What's the lowest money race? You know, I'm not, I'm not entirely sure. I would say like in the truck series, usually the average purse is anywhere from 750,000 to a 1.5 million, right? That's spread out amongst the 36 drivers, you know, with obviously, you win, you get a bigger chunk of it. You know what I think? Last Place might pay, I don't know, 14 grand. Like, it's not, you know.

That's great. And do you usually win something in a race? If you start the race, you're at least getting last place money, right? Right. But the maintenance and the cost of all these things. So if you guys aren't winning. Oh, no, no. Even the teams that are winning are probably still losing money compared to the purse, right?

Because, like, the teams that are winning are probably spending anywhere between 150 to $250,000 per race to be there. And, you know, to win the race is 150 grand, you know, but you have sponsors. So that covers a lot of it. You know, the manufacturers and something like that. Who's your big sponsor? Ford, Ford, Morgan and Morgan. They supply your cars. Yeah. Well, my, what do you mean like my personal cars? Are they like? I don't know. No, so the race cars, you know, in the truck series, there's Ford, Toyota, Chevy, and now RAM is back this year. So Dodge or RAM is because it's own company now. So those four.

And really, like, it's the bodies, you know, like, we're not actually driving a Ford, right? Like, it's not like a Ford F-150 that transformed. It's a purpose-built race car, and we put the Ford body panels on to make it look like an F-150. Right. But a lot what you get from the manufacturer is, like, the support technically, right? Like, they're doing tons of research. They're doing wind tunnel time. They're doing all these things to, like, find a tenth of a second or a half a tenth of

of a second. And, you know, depending on your relationship with a manufacturer, you get more and more help, you know, like the number one Ford team gets all the help, right? And then, you know, or whatever. And then it's dispersed in a way. It just depends on what your, your relationship is, you know, and stuff like that. So there's a lot of, there's a lot of different factors. I love this stuff. I know that we're going to talk about Malcolm a lot. So don't worry, guys. But like, I, I'm fascinated by this. And I think people don't understand, like, I, when I, let's say you drive five hours to Vegas. And you drive. And you drive. driving, you're just, oh my God, my knees, my back, this, that. Imagine going 200 miles an hour

for how long? Well, our last race last week was three hours and 10 minutes. But I wear this, this whoop, you know, heart rate monitor thing. Yeah. And in my race, it was St. Pete, it was a street track. It was three hours and 10 minutes. My average heart rate was 170 beats per minute. Um, I burned 4,400 something calories. But you're like also mentally just getting exhausted. It's 160 degrees inside the truck so you're physically cooking. 160 degrees. So I compare it when I go like, you know, people think you're just driving. It's chill. They don't understand like how physical. I know it is. But like I go, go in a sauna, right? And run out a treadmill at 15 and get your heart rate to 170 for three hours.

You can't break. And if you make a mistake, you die. Is it, is it safe to have your heart rate that high for that long? Probably not at 40. But I train really hard. You do train. Yeah. I mean, this morning, I woke up at 5 a.m. to go to the gym before I started. How does your body feel after a race? Beat. Like, you really are just, you want to go to bed? There's some races where, like, the last 10 laps or whatever it is, like, it feels like an eternity, but you've got to keep going.

You got to keep fighting. And as soon as you allow yourself to relax, like, once you take in the checkered flag, it's almost hard to even get to the pit lane and, like, unbuckle your seatbelts and, like, get the steering wheel off and climb out. Like, sometimes I almost feel. feel like I get almost claustrophobic in there. Get anxiety. Yeah, like, you're like, I have to get out.

But like, I can't get out. You know what I mean? Um, you're just so beat. But, uh, I don't know. It's, it's hard to explain to people who haven't done it. That's what I, but then, have you ever gone indoor go-karting? Yes. Right.

But even like, it hurts. You do 10 laps. You're there for six minutes. Six minutes with a little 200 pound car, like cart, right? So imagine a 3,000 pound race car at 200 miles an hour with the heat for hours and hours. Dude, it's pretty brutal. I mean, I was in Vegas and I was doing a virtual thing where you just sit there and it's on the screen and it vibrates and all this stuff. Exhausted. Exhausted. It's vibrating. I'm hitting. I can't get my whole energy is like it's adrenaline. It's like,

I just can't imagine. Have you seen people pass out? Yeah. I mean, even this last race last week, in the truck series, right, all professional drivers, right? The top level, they've been doing it for 20 years, even since they were five years old, even the young kids, right? They've been doing it forever. four people went to the hospital for heat exhaustion. You know, you see people coming, going to the medical center, get IVs just because they can't recover. And I mean, it's brutal. And it's not even hot yet, right?

Wait till we're racing in the summer, you know. Does your wife worry about you? I mean, yes. But in the same sense that like any wife or girlfriend would worry about their significant other, right? I could be driving here and something happened or going to plane. More likely probably. Right, yeah. But no, she doesn't worry from like a safety aspect of the racing.

Like, you know it's dangerous. But like, that's not a fear. of hers, I don't, I don't think. I mean, she doesn't, she doesn't, at least talk about that at all. Right. So, I know she doesn't want me to get hurt, but, you know. You love this, though. How, how, how, how long do you want to go? I don't know. You know, I think you'll be racing at 50? No. No. Not NASCAR, at least. You know, the schedule is so grueling and just the prep and just to, to all that I feel would be hard. I'm starting racing actually this month in the GT4 America championship, which is like a sports car.

I'm in a Mustang, Ford Mustang, GT4 car. And that race series is like it's eight weekends a year. Like the sports car series seems pretty, as far as scheduling, very easy compared to what I'm used to. I think there's a future in that, like longevity wise, right? Maybe at 50 I can still be doing that. It's hard, though, because I want to be competitive. I have, I still feel like I have unfinished business, you know.

Good. So as far as like knowing when I'm going to stop, I don't know. I'm not satisfied. Are you fearless? In a race car. In a race car, yes. But like I don't, I won't skydive. No, that's what I'm saying in the race car.

I will say this. And maybe it's bad for me to admit it. Now at 40, there would be times where I'm racing and you're battling with someone, right? And maybe I'm in 19th. And I can go, oh, I can make this really aggressive move. and maybe survive it and finish 18. You thought that. No, like, this is what, you're in the car.

Yeah. Where at 40 I go, probably smarter just to finish the race in 19th, right? Where the younger kid is risking everything to gain that position, even it means him not finishing, right? So there is a little bit to be said there. Maybe that's maturity. Maturity, but you still need to have that, like, fight in you. Yeah.

I still have that. But I think I'm a little, I try to make more calculated decisions in. in the race car thinking of the long, like the points, right? I'd rather have a, you know, get 20 points for 19th rather than finish last because we wrecked and get one point, you know what I mean? Yeah. So there's good and bad of that, I think, but I know my team appreciates it,

right, because I'm not wrecking cars every week. You know what I mean? Because it's very expensive and it takes a very long time to fix them. You get free cars? For the race cars? Not like your cars at home? Yeah, I'm very grateful to my relationship before.

They've been very nice to me. So whatever you want, they're like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Good for you. Good for you. All right. Look, you know, you're talking about calculating, calculated choices and this and that when you're driving. But when you heard about, first of all, how did you hear about the reboot, Malcolm in the Middle Life's Still Unfair, premiering April 10th on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus?

Like, was this something that you're like, no, I'm not doing this? Oh, no, the exact opposite. it. I actually think it was maybe 2015, 2014. I had watched all the episodes of Malcolm. I had never really watched them all. And I remember tweeting something like my, just how I felt about the show and like how I thought the comedy was so much different than I thought what we were making. And there was characters that I thought I liked when we were filming and I actually didn't like them when I watched it and vice versa. Like characters who I thought were kind of lame and they were so funny on TV. But I said, I would love to know where Malcolm.

Malcolm and his family are now. You just said that. Yeah, like 10 years later. And that tweet or whatever kind of went a little viral and like a bunch of people picked it up. And I couldn't believe the fan reaction. Like how many people were like, oh, my God, we love that. And I was like, oh, dang, you know, like, maybe this is a good idea.

So I remember calling Linwood Boomer, the creator soon after that. I was like, yo, do you see like what everyone's saying about how exciting it would be to know? Like, have you ever thought about it? And he was like, yeah, no, I have no interest in it. Right? And we're like, oh, okay, well, I guess that's it. That's it. It's over.

So I was at dinner maybe a month or two later with Brian Cranston, and he had brought it up, and we had brought it up. And he's like, there's not, there's no role that I've ever played that I want the chance to get to do over again, then how as Malcolm, this is now post breaking bad and, you know, all the success he's had. And he's like, I'm going to call in Wood. We'll get it, you know, we'll figure it out. If anyone get it going.

Yeah. So he, he literally, it took nine years. years of kind of convincing and kind of coming up with a story and getting, you know, the, right people involved. But Brian really took the lead to get it, to get it made. So we knew there was always a chance over the last nine years. Like, there was like, there was always talks that like it might happen. It might happen. It might happen. So when I finally got the call that it was happening, I was absolutely thrilled. I wish, you know, it was so fun to get to read the script and know like what the family's up to, right?

Because you go like, what, what, you know, possibilities are endless? You know, what are they going to do with the characters? And I really like where Malcolm is. So how old is Malcolm now? They never fully say, you know, you know that the last season, you know, I think originally I was playing nine in the pilot,

but the last season I was graduating high school, but Malcolm was a genius, so you don't know if it was early or late, I don't know, you know, he was going to Harvard. Ambiguous. Yeah, they never said where we lived. They never said our last name. Like they kind of wanted to be like,

it's just your friend. Like, it's just your neighbor. It could be anywhere. You know what I mean? Like, you know, you can also from a writer standpoint, it's good if you don't like, you know, pigeonhole of a location that you're like, well, we can't go snowboarding. You know, yeah, not that I ever did. But you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. We're not in Alabama. You know what I mean? I don't know. Right. That makes sense. So yeah. That's pretty crazy.

That it took nine years after you and Cranston were kind of already, you know. And were you, did you really believe like this is going to happen or you're thinking And there's no way. The creator's not that into it. I do remember, no, not that Linwin wasn't into it. I think what people maybe don't know is Malcolm in the middle is based on his life. Like he was Malcolm and his family, like the craziness of the family was his, that's his story. You know what I mean?

So it means a lot to him. So he finally was like, I just, I don't want to do something just to do it. Like I would have to have a story that like I really want to tell. And, you know, he finally thought he, he, he, does and did. And it's almost, without giving too much of the show away, like semi, like a reconciliation, you know, with the family and stuff like that, which is something that he wanted to do in his, in his personal life as well. So, um, it's cool. It's only four episodes. It was, four episodes. Four hours long. That's it. No, 22 minutes each, right? Like, like sitcom.

Only four. Only four. It was kind of written if, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this. I think it was originally written as a movie. And then we're going to do a Malcolm movie where starts and ends and, you know, you get caught up and that's it. But they're calling it four episodes, but it's basically one storyline for the four episodes. Where are my gloves? Come on, heat. Any day now? Winter is hard, but your groceries don't have to be. This winter, stay warm. Tap the banners to order your groceries online at voila.ca. Enjoy in-store prices without leaving your home. You'll find the same regular prices online

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You know, that's got to be a little pressure that you're always on. You always come through. Like, he's going to do it. He's going to do it the right way. He's going to be, you know, that's got to be a pressure. You don't feel that? Well, I don't feel that. No, but there's a reason why I don't feel it is it's because I fail as much as I succeed

when the camera's rolling. Like, I fail all the time. And so it's those failures in front of everybody that make me feel more comfortable eventually. Like, they seem at my worst. All right. Let's jump back in. Did you want to do more? 100%.

I had so much, like, you know how you were saying the story, about how when you finally said I'm an actor, I never called myself an actor. But the day I wrapped, Malcolm reboot, I was so happy for the first time of my life to put the label actor next to my name. Are you serious?

I've always been like, oh, I act. Like, yeah, but I also play baseball. And I, you know, I race cars. Wow. It was like one of the things I did, but I never, like, accepted that label. I don't know why. You were proud.

I was so proud at the end of this, like, what we did and what we made and, you know. But also, like, I think some of that comes from, you know, obviously I owe my life to Malcolm and, you know, the success it had and, you know, being fortunate to be on it. But when I was a kid, I showed up and read the words. Like I, there was no prep. There was no thinking of the character, you know what I mean? Like, I wasn't just doing it. I just was a kid. You were just Malcolm. And it worked, I guess. Yeah. So it was really kind of fun to come back older and get to actually like sink my teeth into it a little more.

Yeah. And, uh, you took it. more seriously than you ever did. Oh yeah. And it was, it was awesome. Like, it was, it was really fun. Do, will we get emotional at all? There's, there's definitely, but Malcolm always kind of had that. Yeah, yeah. It was a comedy, but it still had like those moments, you know, that's why they, you know, when Malcolm came out in 2000, like, it was one of the first comedies that didn't have a laugh track, wasn't multi-camera, single camera. So you could have those moments too, right? You could have the drama mixed in with the comedy. And I think, like me as an actor, the emotion, that I go through throughout the four episodes is,

is wide ranges you can get. You know what I mean? So it was, it was fun. Do you feel like in a way, in a weird way, you have closure? Like, did you, did you have closure when you ended the show? Or were you like, there's something not finished it. I don't feel finished.

No, I felt like when we ended that it ended on a, on a good note, right? You know, in the way they ended it, I thought was strong. You know, you could always, always pick it up and continue, right? You know, there's always more story you could tell, essentially. But no, I thought I thought we were pretty good. And even me, like, during that time, I remember during the last season, during season seven, there was talks of there being a season eight. Like, they're like, hey, we think we're going to get, they think it's going to happen again.

They want to do one more season. And then we got word, maybe a month before we filmed the last episode that that was going to be it. Right. Right. So like, we knew, like, this is it. Yeah. And coming to the end, like, I remember thinking that, like, I remember thinking that, like, oh, I thought I'd have more emotion to the fact that, like, I spent every day for the past seven years here with these people. And like, I remember showing up the last day and being like, yeah, it's the last day. Like, we're going to have a great time. You heartless bastard. But cut to the last take of the last shot that they filmed, I couldn't even get through it. Like, it was the most emotional day of my life. Like, because it took that last moment to realize,

like, I was never going to be in this situation again and with these people. So it was really cool to get to recreate it. And because it's rare to be able to do that too, right? You're talking at the end of the first seven. At the end of the first seven. That was the emotional. It was like, you couldn't get through it. Like were you almost like, you shouldn't be embarrassed, but did you feel embarrassed that

you were so emotional? I just, I don't know because like that the scene that we filmed was a pretty emotional scene as it is. But it was like a 15 hour day. And it's a scene where Reese has like cooked up this like crazy stink bomb gunk. And he put it in the car and he's going to. to bring it to the graduation. But we all get in the car and it blows up on us.

So we're covered in shit. You're exhausted, 15 hour day, the final episode. Everyone's in it. So it's lots of coverage, lots of stuff, you know. But throughout the day, you know, you know, there's normally what? Maybe 100 people on set total. But by the end of the day, there's like 300. And it's everybody from the past seven years.

But even like the old prop guy who had retired. They all show. Everybody showed up. And the last shot was my close-up of this scene. And I'm mad at my mom. I'm, like, gross, stinky. I'm mad at her because I got offered, you know, I'm still in high school,

but I got offered this like, you know, million dollar a year job with this tech company. And I'm like, and my mom's like, no, you're not taking that. You're going to suffer to learn what it's like to suffer. And blah, blah, blah.

And you're going to be the president. Like, you know, this whole thing. And you're going to be the president of the United States. And I'm like, do you expect me to be president? And everyone's like, yeah, we've known for years. And like it's a lot of pressure, right? So it's this emotional moment, but I'm kind of confronting her for the first time.

And anyway, so they cut to do my, my close up. And I'm just chilling, you know, like ready to do it. And they stay, like, they start rolling. And I'm, like, all of a sudden, like, I'm, I can't even talk. You know what I mean? And it, it, it, we normally did five, six, maybe more takes, right? We took our time to make sure we got everything. Like, Lynn Wood was very adamant about making sure.

every single beat. Sure. Like every word was perfect, right? And we did one take and he said, check the gate. And like, that was it. Like, we were wrapped. And it was like the most emotional. Were you emotional in the moment?

In the moment, but it worked so well for the scene because like it is, it's this raw, like super emotional scene. Were you like, that's it? No, I mean, no. I, you know, I, I remember being really like, I was so sad that, but I wanted to shower. You know what I mean? Yeah. So like, I wanted it, like, talk to everybody and say goodbye.

but like I wanted to get cleaned up. And then we ended up having a rap party on the stage. And they had like decorated the Malcolm house to be like kind of more fun. Like not Malcolm stuff, but like, you know, for the party. And I could not leave. And me and Jane Casmeric were the last two people of the 500 people who were there. We were the last two people on the stage that night. It was just, we just couldn't leave.

Like it was super emotional. So it was fun, obviously, to get to do it again, right? Yeah. with a greater appreciation in general just from you know we step away from something you look back and go like damn that was cool you know like that was awesome like people for now 20 years have been telling me how much the show meant to them and how like it got them out of a bad place or brought their families closer together like that's pretty cool so to get the opportunity to do something when you know that people love it i don't know kind of yeah it changes and when it connects with you like you know when

that it seems like that last moment every it was a culmination of all these feelings throughout all the years and the kind of just doing it and this and I don't know if I'm an actor in this and all of a sudden like I'm a part of this huge success story with all these people I love. Yeah. And this, it comes down to one final moment. Yeah. And it's the, it's profound. It was. It was, it was crazy for sure, you know, but Jesus. Yeah, this one too. You know, we knew it was only going to be the four episodes. Going back to answer your question, like, did I want to be more? you know, I knew even, like, you know, watching it, like, they sent it to me recently to to see the final cut and stuff like that. And like, I know that it's ending. But like, I won't

lie when it ended. I was like, man, I want more. You know, like, I need to, like, it's, you need to know. No, it's, the show is good, right? Like, if I could say that, I'm in it, you know what I mean? But like, the show's so good. Like, I want to see these characters more. You know what I mean? And I guess that's a good problem to have. It was leave people wanting more, you know? So were you the last show? again? No, actually. I think they filmed the scene after I was done. Really? They actually filmed a whole other day after I was done. There's a bunch of stuff with Brian that he's by himself, but part of it was they wanted, they had all of us rap at the same time except for Brian. So all the

rest of the cast was in one scene together at the very end. You know what I mean? And like, so we all got to wrap together. But I was racing full time last year as well in NASCAR. And we race, the trucks basically race every Friday night. And, So we filmed in Vancouver, and I would film Sunday through Thursday morning, leave Thursday morning, fly to Tennessee, race at Bristol, Friday night, fly back Saturday morning, film Sunday through Thursday. So that was kind of the schedule. So because of that, like, I had to be done on, you know, on the Wednesday so I could fly Thursday. So, wow. When you guys got back together, the cast, honestly, did it instantly feel like the old rhythm again?

Instant. Not even like, because I was not nervous, but. I hadn't really seen anybody since that last day. You know what I mean? I talked to them a little, a little bit here and there. I talked to Brian a lot, but I hadn't really seen Jane.

I hadn't seen Justin, who played Reese. I didn't seen Chris that much. You know, so I was like, is it going to be awkward? Like, how do we catch up on the last 20 years,

right? So much has happened in life, right? But then also still have that same, like, fun energy that we used to have. It was as if that last shot in 2006 was yesterday. and today we were filming the new thing. Like, as it, like, I know it sounds cliche. It's not a minute.

It was awesome. It was awesome. That is incredible. I just, I can't amount. Immediately, I think of myself. Yeah. If I had to jump back into it, it wouldn't be that easy. Yeah.

You know, it's different. I would have to, you know, shave my head, put on a suit. Yeah. Be really smart. You know, I don't know if it would just, and we're all older. it's a different show. It's a different... It's funny.

Malcolm, like, I have two things I want to say. Malcolm, oddly, going back into it, I had so much fun with the character, but it felt so easy. Like, it felt... I didn't even have to think... Like, I say, like, oh, I actually sunk my teeth in

and had a prep. I just knew what to do. Like, it was just... You didn't even need much direction. I didn't even need it. Yeah. And, but at the same sense, and maybe this is bad,

I watched all the episodes with my wife, and she looked at me after 151 episodes, and she goes, you weren't acting at all. I was like, oh, I don't know how to take that. Am I that neurotic? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Do I really think the world has to get me that bad? Yeah.

I mean, you talk about Brian Cranston. And it's like, I think you sent a post on Instagram, like a couple weeks ago or whatever. And it said something like, you know, he's like. It was his 70th birthday. And I think I said something like, you know, he's the person I look up to most in Hollywood. And he's always been so supportive of everything that I've done and been really like a father figure to me. And that's the, that's 100% the truth. You know, it's I compare and you probably know this.

Like when you film something or you're on a show or whatever, I almost compare it to like going to summer camp, right? You have the best time ever. You have a great time. You make so many amazing relationships. You're like, we're going to write each other every day. We're going to be pen pals forever. And then like, you know, I'm on the. goes by and then you get get another project or you move somewhere else you do something else and slowly

like you just lose touch you know what I mean that's just you know and and and that's kind of how it was here right we spent every day for seven years together being a family and really truly felt like a family but like then everybody goes and has kids and has families and I moved to Arizona and started doing other things and and but um Brian has been one of those people that like throughout you know you know the success he's had post Malcolm right yeah insane you know and he always reaches out. Just to check in. Always.

If I owned an olive oil company, he bought the olive oil, right? If I'm doing this, he's support, like, you know, he's always just been like a great father figure to like, always checks in. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

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So join the community, and let's keep this thing going together. Yeah, I feel like, you know, in a lot of ways the cast of a small, like the guy who played my father, John Glover, he'll check in. It was like, how's my boy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm thinking of you. Yeah. And, you know, some of us are pretty tight.

But, you know, it's really nice to hear that someone that blows up like he did, like, he's just the same guy. Yeah. I've always said, like, if anybody deserved, right, to have insane success, right? I feel like it's, him because even his work ethic, right? And I try to mimic it with what I do. He showed up every day. I'm sure you've been on stuff where like, you know, on day 400, you're like, all right, we're good. You know, like, you're sure we didn't get that? Yeah. Oh, you want to do another one? Let's go. You sure? Brian never, never. You never heard a complaint. Not once. And every single

crew member, he would have genuine like conversations and new about. about them and knew about their wives and their kids. And like he truly cared about everybody. So it's like one of the, it's one of the good guys. He is. One of the good guys made it big. And he shows you that no matter how big you are, you stay humble, you stay kind,

you remember where you come from. Yeah. You know what I love, did you watch the pit? I haven't seen that, no. His daughter's on that. I do know that. She's great. Yeah, yeah.

She's really good, I had no idea. Yeah. And I was like, wow. Yeah. But I love that you're so, are you close with the rest of the cast, too, or? Yeah. I mean, like, we are, like, we are.

We are, we, I have the same relationship with the cast as I do my own sister, right? We don't talk that much. Yeah. But when we do, it's amazing. Yeah. And like, as if no time had passed. Yeah. You know what I mean?

I feel like that way, I feel like that about a lot of people as well where it's like, I don't see them. And all of a sudden I see them and I go, oh my God, like we just pick it up. Yeah. And there's a mutual respect. There's like, not bullshit. Like high school, like, well, whatever we hung out? Why?

We just talk. Yeah. You know? I would say my biggest fault, though, as a human is, I'm terrible at communication. Like I just say, you know what I mean? Because I always, I'm always in this state of like, oh, I got to do this, I got to do that. I got to go here.

I got to get this done. I got, you know, like, I'm probably good. I have a nonstop, like, to do list. And I go, ooh, as soon as I get done with this to do list, I'm going to reach out. But I never get done with the do list. Do you know what my therapist says, Michael, your inbox will never be empty. Yeah, that's true. It will never be empty.

I know. Every New Year's resolution for the last 30 years has been. I'm going to be better communicator. and I always break it like day one. I'm so excited about Malcolm in the middle. Me too. I really am. And I've never seen you this excited.

I mean, I've met you quite a few times in the past and you did the podcast, but I just like this, you're glowing. You're like things are going well. You're racing. You've got Malcolm in the middle coming back. You've got your family. It's like you're busy and life's good because life's not always, doesn't always feel.

No, yeah. You know, I know I have a greater. appreciation for life in general, like having stepped away from the industry for a little bit, right? Like having, you know, just been in it. And not that you like, it becomes like where you just expect it or like it just, you know, but to step away and then go, oh, I get another chance to make this amazing show and promote it and talk about it and see people's reaction to it. Like, I'm excited for that. Like, you know, I, you know, and I know like I'm exhausted right now. Like, I'm not going to lie, like just in general from what my life is. But I also know that eventually

I'm going to look back and go like, oh, damn, that was fun. Like, what am I doing now? Like, now I have too much time. But you know what? So I take it and I'm just enjoying it as much as I can. Yeah, it's like, you know, in life it's always good, I would think. I don't know the answer to this yet, but I assume when you're at a certain age to say, you know what, I did it.

Yeah. Whatever that means. Yeah. Whatever it's raising a family or, you know, being a good friend or, you know, enjoying what you do or having a passion or getting through something, whatever it is, to be able to say, I'm good. Yeah. Yeah.

And I feel like you could say that right now at this moment. Yes and no. I mean, you're insatiable, I'm sure. Yeah. I'm weird in the sense that like, you know, on paper, I know I've done a lot. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

But I feel like I haven't done anything yet. Like I feel like I have so much more I want to do. So people ask me all the time, they go like, oh, what's your goal? Like in racing or as an actor. or whatever it is. I don't know. There's not like a set. You want to win the big prize.

Yeah, but like even then once you win, then you want to win the next one. And then you want to win them all. Then you're mad you didn't win the championship. And then you want to move to the next level and do it again. So what's enough? I don't know. I really honestly don't know.

Are you enough? That's a load of question. It's a load of question. I don't know. You know, I, like, I'm, how do I put this? Like, I'm, I'm so proud of everything I've got to do and I feel very fortunate.

Right. But I also, there's days where I'm, I feel like I, like I've literally done nothing. Like I feel like a failure. You know what we all do. So that's just, you know, so, but. I think it's healthy.

But it gives me drive though, too, to keep. Yeah, you want drive. Oh, yeah. You don't want to be just sitting here going, you know what? I'm racing. I'm winning. I'm making money. I got this reboot of the show.

I was on a hit series. I got a family. I'm good. Yeah. I'm going to retire. Bored. Yeah. I don't know what I'm going to do with myself.

My wife and I talk about it a lot, you know, because she's like, you know, what, what are you, like, what are you, like, what are you, like, you know, like, you know, what's your, she's like, I'm trying to plan too, right? Of like, you know, are you going to be home next year or are you going to be gone 340 days again? You know what I mean? Like, like, so just trying to figure out. And it's hard for me to say because, like, I love what I'm doing, but it's hard. You know what I mean? Like, and trying to figure out like. Hard for everything.

Your body or mind. I don't know. I don't know what I'm trying to say, but it's, it's, uh, I don't, I don't have like a set. You don't a plan. No, I've learned not to have a plan. Right. Okay. Like, I don't have a plan.

You know what I mean? Where I used to be like, no, no, this what I'm doing. And I'm going to do this. And in six months, I'm going to do this. Yeah. And I had to have everything, like, lined up where I, even like, as a planner, meaning, like, knowing what my schedule is the next two weeks. Like, I need 23 flights over the next 30 days booked.

and I need rental cars and I need hotels and I need this and I need that. I used to like have that done in advance. I'll be driving to the airport. I don't have, I don't have a flight because I like I've learned to just go with the flow. Just go. Just go. Just keep going. I'll get on one.

Yeah, I'll figure it out. I can't do that. It's new, but it's made it easier because like I used to having, not anxiety, but like, be like, oh, man, I got to leave in a few days. Like, oh, I got to do all this stuff where it's like, I kind of operate day to day and focus on the thing I need to focus on in that moment and try to do the best I can and then on to the next thing. Do you remember like any dark moments where you're like after Malcolm ended and you're kind of in the you know sort of like what am I doing and you're not

giving yourself enough credit for what you've done and feeling sorry for yourself and oh am I this guy and like and do you remember that dark spot where and if so how did you get out of that? I've always like since I was eight when I started acting until when Malcolm ended when I was 19 or 20 Like, I never had a day off, really. Like, maybe in those 12 years, like, 40 days total, right? You know, total, right? Wow. And so when Malcolm ended, I knew I was going to be racing cars professionally,

starting in the former BMW series that year. So, like, I went from acting to full-time race car driver, which I did then for three or four years. So I was super busy doing that. And then I got really badly hurt. And right when I was healing again and I was going to go back racing, I actually joined a band. and we toured, we played 300 shows a year for four years,

and I tore it all over. So, like, I was really, really busy nonstop until about 2014, 2015. And that was the first time that I woke up one day and I didn't have to do something. Like, I didn't have a responsibility. How to feel? Awful.

Because I immediately went, what am I going to do? Like, you know, I thought, like, I'd enjoy, like, the fact that, like, Oh, just whatever. I'm just going to hang out. You know, I'm good. Like, and it's, it's a weird, it's a weird thing because like, it wasn't like a panic of like, oh, I have to make money. Like, I'm good. It was more of like, who am I?

Yeah, like, who am I? What's my purpose? Yeah, because like, as an actor, it's not up to me to go be an actor again, right? I can say I want to be an actor again. They have to hire you. They got to hire me. Yeah. They got, it's got to, it all has to, everything has to align.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And you don't have control. you don't have control. And I think that's the biggest thing I didn't like about the industry and why I was happy to find something else that I loved.

Some stability. I could go, I can kind of make, I kind of know what I'm doing. I can race. I'm going to race. You're racing. Yeah. So it was definitely,

I'm trying to think like, I remember kind of going like, should I go back to, should I go to school? Like, I dropped out of the president. I dropped out of the seventh grade, but should I take some college classes?

You know what I mean? All right. I did that for a little bit. I was like getting like a degree in business. you know what I mean? Right. And, but then I realized, like, I didn't need it. I just started a business.

You know what I mean? Yeah. You know? Yeah. But I, there was definitely a time where I was like, I was definitely fishing of an unsure of what I was, what I was going to do next. I think we all do that. That's human, freaking nature.

It's like, you know, you have one thing. What I'm trying to do is I used to be like, all right, I got this. I just can't wait to finish it. Yeah. Yeah. Get through that. Get through the next thing. Get through the next thing.

And now I'm more like, hey, man, the process is actually kind of fun. I haven't, I haven't quite gotten there yet, and I need to. I need to get to where, because I'm always thinking of the next thing, basically. Right, right. But I go like, wait, this is the cool part right here. Right here, right now. Yeah. It really is.

It really is. And when you could acknowledge that, and it comes in weird times, weird places, and it's one of those things where you just look at something and you go, that's really beautiful. Yeah. I'm here. I'm right now. Even if it's just a moment. Yeah. And it's those moments that add up that are memories. Because, you know, all the racing stuff, if you're just like, I just can't wait wait to get a car and race. But it's the moments in between when you're talking to Joe mechanic, you know, or whatever. And you're having a good conversation. And he's telling you about something and you're learning something. Yeah. And you're like, you know, hey, that was that was cool. Yeah. You know, it's just like, but we forget because we, we want.

the adrenaline. We want the next rush. We want the next, you know, so I understand it. It's, it's something that's, it's human. You were talking about, you know, your health scare, you know, you talk openly about that and your memory issues. What did that period teach you about identity? Hmm. I, just to bring up the memory thing a little bit, almost to clear the air a little bit, the story of that kind of was taken out of context in a sense. Oh, it was. Right? I have memory, not memory issues. I have a bad memory. And I've thought over now,

all these crazy stories have come out where people are like, you don't even know that your wife has to wake up every single day. And that's not the case. No, no. No, I mean, I have a great memory. I said bad memories. Well, how did you do Malcolm in the middle?

No, like, I can remember lines and I have a good memory. But like, I equated to this. After this is now years of like trying to figure out, like, maybe why I don't absorb so many things. Well, A, since I was eight years old, I have been nonstop doing things, flying here, doing that, and just crazy cool things and, you know, like to where, and then I've also been an actor my whole life where every single day I'm pretending to be somebody else

and having somebody else's emotions and somebody's happiness or somebody's sadness or somebody's anger or someone's love interest, right? And all these things, and they say cut when you're done with the scene and you forget about it. You never think about it again. right and then you go on to the next emotion or the next day or the next character and i almost feel like some of it has to do with the fact that like i'm so used to kind of just go on like i'm done with that and move on that i don't even recall i don't even take it in you know what i mean even my real life like even my real emotions and you know things like even when i do races and i i find this weird and this isn't a memory thing and i'd probably going to make the the people the story about

my memory even worse. I'll do a race, right? 300 laps. And I'll listen to other drivers be like, oh yeah, in lap 157, you know, me and the 15 truck, we were doing this and we were battling. And then I had a vibration in my wheel. And then I came in. I remember like two laps of the race that I did the night of the night before. I'm so focused on what I'm doing. But then like, do you know something? I forget it. It makes perfect sense. When the weather cools down, Golden Nugget Online Casino turns up the heat. This winter, make any moment golden and play thousands of games like her new slot Wolf It Up and all the fan-favored Huff and Puff games. Whether you're curled up on the couch or taking five between snow shovels, play winner's hottest collection of slots.

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And for me, it's just like I, my mind is always going in different places. It's like, I'm here. I'm focused on here. And it's funny because like I'll have movie nights. And then we'll go through. I go, what about this one? They're like, dude, we watch that.

That's how I am too. And I go. We didn't watch this movie. But the fun thing is you can watch it again and you don't know what's going to happen. Yeah, until halfway through it, I go, oh yeah, I think I remember this part. Yeah. Why is that? Why do I forget things that I've watched?

Maybe because they weren't that impactful. Maybe. Some of them. Maybe a lot of things that you don't remember are, some of them aren't just that important. Well, another way I explain it to people and, you know, Malcolm, I'll watch episodes and I'll be like, well, I don't remember that episode. Like, I don't remember what happens. Like, so weird, like, I should remember that, right? And I equated to this, too.

When you were in high school, in February of your sophomore year of high school on the third week, what did you do? No clue. No clue. Nobody would know. But you remember certain things that happened in high school, like certain good things, bad things or, you know, highlights or whatever. That's my memory of Malcolm. Like, that's my memory of kind of movies I did or things I did. Yeah, I don't remember.

We're like, we're doing a rewatch Smallville podcast right now. And Tom and I are doing it. And Ryan's producing it. And I'll tell you, I don't remember anything. Yeah. I don't remember like, I'm like, very little. Yeah. We sat right before we started filming the reboot, they had all the cast sit on the couch and

they put on old, like, old snippets. And they wanted us to like bring up, oh, remember when we filmed that? Couldn't do it. Brian, Jane, all of us were like, we did that? Everybody. Everybody was like, no way. You're not alone. Yeah.

So I think I do, I do think I have a bad memory, though. I do. But not, it's not like I've got amnesia, you know. Right, right, right, right. I have had nine concussions, you know, that doesn't help. That could attribute. But, you know. What was the most ridiculous storyline the show ever did?

Oh, man. I, even though I've now watched them all, I don't remember obviously all of them. But I remember there being an episode where, like, Malcolm got his tongue pierced and had to hide it from the parents, but it got super infected. And he couldn't, and they're asking him questions, but he couldn't say S's because, you know, right, right, right. And I remember thinking that that was a little ridiculous. But I mean, there's a lot of ridiculous stuff that we did in the show.

There's so many ridiculous episodes we did. This is shit talking with Frankie Munez and go see the show four episodes. Malcolm in the middle, April 9th, April 10th, April 10th on Hulu, Disney Plus. Elizabeth, though, there's rapid fire. Okay. So, Raj, tell me about a time you struggle. to meet the expectation someone placed upon you. Oh, I mean, it's without getting too personal, like I feel like I, if I'm being honest,

I let my wife down often, like expectations she has for me just because I'm, I need to be better. It's inadvertent though. Yeah. No, it's 100% inadvertent. Like, you know, I want to be the best husband in the world. I want to be the best father in the world, you know, but trying to juggle every single thing. Unfortunately, that's usually the thing that gets pushed to the side because I've got professional responsibilities.

but I really need to focus more on my home life. You know, it's funny because I apologize. I apologize in advance a lot. Like, I'm like, listen, I know you like to hear things from me first before I tell friends and this and that. I get it. But sometimes I'm on my computer and then a text comes up and then I go, oh, okay.

And then it's gone from my mind. And then it comes to me when I'm high at 8 o'clock at night watching, you know, date line. And I go, oh, blah, blah, blah. And that's, it's just me. You just have to understand. It's not, it's not because I'm trying to disrespect you or anything. I just, I can't, I don't remember those things.

Yeah. I just, oh my God, it's so true. I apologize in advance. I leave that. Gary F., what are you most proud of in your life right now versus 10 years ago? Oh, my son, you know. How old now? He turns five, well, he turned five March 22nd.

So just so cool. and I love him and, you know, not to be cheesy when they say like, oh, you don't know love until you see your kid, but man, it's like, I believe it. I feel that way with my dog. Yeah. There's no other love for me. Love that kid. I love that kid.

Little Lisa, what color are you in mood or feeling and why? It's her question. Well, depends on when. Like, you know, I'm always like, I always like the color blue. This is probably going to be looked at in a bad way. I'm going to say gray. Gray area. Do you want to answer?

I mean, do you want like a, me to, to, I kind of know what you're saying, but I want to hear what the mean. Because like I, I mean, I'm, I'm a color. Right. Still. But I, I'm, I'm kind of in this state of like, flux. Yeah. Yeah. Gray could be nice sometimes and gray could be ugly sometimes. Yeah. Um, what, is that dark? No, I like gray. Is that dark? No. Brown because I'm shitty. I'm shit. My colors, no matter what you say, they're going to look into it, you know. Um, my favorite colors. My favorite colors. green because I like money. No, I'm kidding. I'm so excited for this. I'll tell you why I'm excited. I think my people are going to be excited because you're genuinely innately excited about it. And I think the whole cast is. And I think just the amount of fun it seems like to be on that set to experience. And I'm really sad that it's only four episodes. I was expecting like at least eight. Yeah, I, you know, I think with eight, yeah, you could probably do a bit more, right, a bit more storylines and stuff, but- Do you think this is it, though?

Yes. You do? I know that that was kind of the intention, was that this was it. Obviously, that you can never, you never know what may happen, but this wasn't like a test, right? This wasn't a, we're not feeling it out. Let's see if they still like us. No, no, no. Like, this was, the intention was, here's Malcolm and his family 20 years later.

Good night. I really want to see it now, don't you? What else can I ask you? What else can you tell me? Here's a weird, a weird kind of fact. I'm basically the same age that Brian was when Malcolm started. Oh my God. So that was a weird.

Are you in your underwear? No, no, nope. Not since season two. Not in season two. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, not my underwear, but I thought that was interesting. Malcolm has a daughter. Wow.

And that's a really kind of cool element there. You know, it's, it's, we just have to watch this. I mean, it's April 10th. I know. With only being four episodes, it's hard to really say much of the storyline without giving the whole storyline away. Yeah, you don't want to do that. Right?

But, but I can say this. Malcolm, you find him and he's in a very good place, right? He's, he's positive, which he never was before. Right, right. He's, you know, he's got a perfect little house. He's got his perfect little daughter. You know, they have a great relationship. you know, all this stuff, but why and how he figured out to get his life in order is kind of

that's the story. That's the story. Well, I'm truly excited. I think this is amazing. Where are you racing next? After, let's just say after April 10th. April 10th, then we have, I race in Cota in Austin in the GT4 car, and then I'm in Nashville. Can I ever come watch you race? Yeah, I go. I race in Cota. I race in Austin in the Gt4 car. And then I'm in Nashville. Can I ever come watch you race? Yeah, come. Sit on a pit box. Really? Yeah. You know, Jimmy Johnson let me do that a couple times. Yeah. Whenever you want to come. I loved it. Are you racing in L.A. or any? No, because California Speedway got torn down. So the close, we actually, we race in San Diego on the Coronado Naval Base. When? Um, in June-ish, I don't know. I'm coming. You got to come. It's going to be, it's going to be awesome race. It's like,

they're making a track on the base. And it's going to be, it's going to be really cool. I think it's a one-time thing, too, I think. You know, but like they're saying, like, this is like a one-and-done, so, like, be the only NASCAR race on the base. What's the fastest you've ever gotten in a car? I think at Michigan going into turn one, we hit, like, 207, I think. We don't have a speedometer or so. How does it feel going 200 miles an hour?

Speed is relative, right? If you're on a track that you can go 207 miles an hour. And everybody's going that fast. It's, but if, like, we race at a track, like, called Martinsville. It's a tiny little paperclip. It's half a mile, very flat. We maybe go 110 miles an hour and you're going 55 in the corners, like nothing. Well, man, it feels like you're going a million because of how fast things come at you.

And you can't get the power down because, like, there's, you know, just spinning the tires and that feels fast. Like Daytona, you're going 200 miles an hour. It feels slow until you look up at the fence. And you watch, you go, that would hurt. Yeah. Yeah. Does anyone at all listen to music while they're driving? No, not at all. Because you're listening to your pit. Yeah, but your spotter's talking to all the time because like what I think people don't realize either is you can't see to the right, to the left or behind you.

So like to know that someone's on your outside bumper, the spot is going out, you know, like he'll be like one back, half back on your outside at your bumper, quarter, quarter, door, door. Yeah, because you had the know to leave room. You know, you got, you know, if the car is seven feet wide, you got to leave seven and a half feet out to the wall because someone's on your outside. You can't see them. You know what I mean. That's crazy. And yeah, you're just completely trusting. So you're in there blind, except for what you see in front of you and your ears. You have your ears in your eyes. That's it. So nobody listens to the music. No, no, not at all. Do you ever, do you, have you found yourself loving, loving country music more? You're racing. I mean, I, I never put on country music, but I like country music when I hear it. Like, I should listen to country music. There's some good country. Yeah. What is it? You name the babies and now name the dogs. You know that song?

Blake Shelton. Anyway, this has been awesome. You're always an amazing guest. I hope you'll come back. Oh, for sure. And I'm going to come see your race. Yes. And Malcolm in the middle, life's still unfair.

The whole cast for the most part, right? Yeah, everybody, the kid who played Dewey, Eric Per Sullivan did not come back. We knew he wasn't going to come back from 10 years ago. Right. But yeah, everyone else is there. And there was no reasons. I don't know. No, he just doesn't want to be an actor anymore.

You know, he literally gave his full blessing. He was like, recast it. I wish you guys nothing but the best. But yeah, he just, he kind of moved on. Were you bummed? I mean, obviously, like, everyone went back, but like I respect his wishes, right? Sure, sure.

Once the show ended, like, he really wanted nothing to do with the entertainment business. And, you know, if you've done a good job of, like, making yourself semi-invisible post being on TV for seven years, Like it probably sucked to like get sucked back into that world to have to try to if you want to stay. Yeah. You know. I thought maybe you wanted to make some more money real quickly. I mean, only four episodes.

Jesus. Dewey. What the fun? Maybe he just has, he invested his Malcolm money really well. Yes, that's true. All right. April 10th on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus, Malcolm in the Middle Lightstone Fair Frankie Muniz.

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