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Episode Date: May 11, 2021

The legendary and iconic Robert Englund joins us this week to discuss various topics surrounding the Nightmare on Elm Street series and his early start of being an actor. Robert discusses growing up as a Valley boy and how he transitioned from wanting to be a lawyer who surfed in his free time to a world-wide phenomenon actor. We discuss an insane story about the casting of Luke Skywalker in the first Star Wars movie and Robert’s relationship with Mark Hamill. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I know. Yeah, I'm a big fan. Huge. I got to work with this guy in a movie called Urban Legend, which many of you probably didn't see. But my dog dies. They put it in a microwave in the movie. Real dark stuff. Oh, God.

Yeah. But it was great working with him. It was really fun. We got to do a little Fangoria magazine interview. Robert England, of course, Freddie Krueger. This is a great interview. I really was waiting for this one. I tried to get him for a long time, and he finally came around.

Maybe he didn't know, you know. Who's to say? You just got vaccinated. I did. I got my second vax. Second Vax. So we could hug soon. We can.

Two weeks. Two weeks. You'll hug me. I will. Guys, you need to watch this podcast just to see us hug on the show. A couple reminders. First of all, thank you for subscribing and listening to the show. and if you're here to listen to Robert England,

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Like it's, I said that. I said the same thing and then I start watching the stuff and I go, I just, I don't. Why is it so crazy to think that some ship, you know, that goes light years ahead of us, the speed at which these crafts go somehow, whether it broke down, whether it had difficulties, whether it came into our realm our universe and crashed what's so crazy about that and then they've got this technological advance advances and you know that we we can't even understand that and then for years we're trying to catch up that's as simple as that it's just because there are so many other issues in the world to fix this one just feels like a but this can fix it this can fix so much i mean that there i have a theory i'm not going to talk about it uh anyway thank you guys

so much for subscribing i love my patrons you know i do means the world to me that you listen to the podcast um thank you westwood one thank you ryan thank you bryce if you want to write in hello at inside of you podcast uh i don't always write back but i do read the messages and i thank you for them and um that's about it why don't we get inside of robert england it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with michael rose and Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Well, what a treat I get to talk to Nancy England. Oh, yes, the infamous Nancy.

Oh, yeah. I mean, how many times have you said, why did you marry a woman named Nancy? We get so much fan mail about that. And she's sort of caught from the same. bolt of cloth as Heather. Well, but the joke is that he looked really hard for an answer. I bet you're good. There's so many questions you probably get just so tired of.

And I was thinking, okay, let me put myself in Robert's shoes here because, you know, I played a villain for a long time. And, you know, people would always say, Lex Luthor. In fact, I had a guy come over and redo my wall in the podcast room. And he's like, every, you know, he's this Hispanic guy and a great guy. He's like, Mr. Luther. Mr. Luther. Sir Luther!

Yeah, he's like, actually, he called me Mr. Luthor. And I go, it's actually Luthor. Luthr. Luthr. But, I mean, do you go through stages of like, in the beginning, you're like excited. And then you're like, all right, that's not the only thing I do. I mean, and then you go, what the hell? I embrace this.

This is amazing. I'm lucky to be. Did you go through stages like that of like people going, hey, Freddie? And you're like, fuck you. Well, you know, Michael, I, I, I, I, always thought of you as a comedian. And then you had this great success playing a villain, you know, so I can kind of flip this question back to you.

But for me, I was lucky. I had the whole 70s playing best friends and side picks. And then towards the end, I was everybody's favorite redneck. You know, what trashed, Robert Inwood. And so I had done, I'd already been established in a high. really weird and you're who I was and when I did V and then Freddie it just banged me into international actor overnight you know and I said I'd never had that kind of success before and I see it was like grabbing the ring on the merry go around you know I got it I just hung

on yeah because you had done I mean you're classically trained you've done a bunch of shit before that so I didn't have it I you don't have anything to prove you know I I mean I understand studied Iago with a great actor playing Othello, Roger Robinson, the late Roger Robinson, who did a lot of the August Wilson Blaze. I think he won a Tony Award for one of them. But I've done a lot of stuff, but I did it in that moment of time, you know, when you don't, when you're not on, you know, entertainment tonight and Access Hollywood. Right. cover of people magazine because you're starring in some play in the Midwest with

Michael Moriarty original law and order but um you know it's so I had that kind of under my belt right and I kind of proved to myself you know that I could do that stuff and then the first 10 years in Hollywood you know my god I hit my marks with Jeff Bridges and uh Barbara Streisand and Burr Reynolds and Charles Bronson, Susan Sarandon. I had a partial nude scene with Susan Sarandon. What do you mean partial where you're at? Well, Susan was topless. Well, what about you?

No, I was playing the bashful side, sidekick. Oh, okay. And so I got to be bashful and sensitive. And Susan had to button her blouse and flash me. Have you ever bared ass? In 1975. That's Rocky Horror Show era. Humana, humana, humana.

Did you, I mean, did you ever bear ass or anything like that? Oh, yeah, yeah. I got recently, too. I'm old and, you know, my testicles are down around my kneecaps. Come on. Yeah, no, fear clinic. I had to run around naked and fear clinic. So, uh, and be this old scientist, you know, so that was kind of.

Wait a minute. You showed your junk. Well, I mean, I could see it when I, I go from like a kind of, Samadhi tank, you know, one of those kind of like hot tub, sensory deprivation hot tubs and they kind of, they put a towel around me and marched me across. But, you know, I went to Daileys. I saw the Pilotas.

You're like somebody's going to take this. Some aid, like some little assistant's going to just take a picture of your junk and it's going to be everywhere. What was that magazine? Celebrity skin, remember? Yep, I do. Back in the day, don't you remember you and me and Jonathan? and Silverman back in the 1960s,

hanging out with Hugh Heffner at the Playboy Mansion, getting our pictures in celebrity skin. I think Silverman was dating a couple of girls from petticoat Junction. Jesus, you really are aging in there. Is he that old, old Silverman? I'm just kidding. I know, I know.

I'm in general. Right. Keeping a general here. Well, listen, were your parents when you were growing up? Because, look, first of all, I want to say, I love you. I've always loved you. You were an idol of mine. And, you know, working with you in Urban Legend

and just being in the trailer. And I remember when Fangoria magazine came to interview us. And I just was on Cloud 9. It was my first big movie, really, with a big part. And we just really hit it off. And I just always admired you and looked up to you. And we got along so fondly that it was just, you made it so easy for everybody around you because you are a legend.

And even at that time. You ordered breakfast at craft service one day at the window. I think we had really good craft service, like some fabulous lesbians from Van Gogh. who were making us great, you know, granola with a lot of brown sugar and syrup and stuff. And I remember you ordering as Mike, as Christopher Walken one day. I'll take eggs. And you ordered me from then on.

I'll take eggs. Soverezy, scrambled. Robert, England's with a U. It's not an A. It's not land. It's Lund. Lund. He's Swedish.

He's Swedish. You are Swedish. But, but I just, whoa. That's the only thing I can do. Ow. Ow. You just, everything's, it's really. And you know, what's funny is I ended up working with him like two years later.

I know. And he was, I saw you after that. I asked you what that, dueling, dueling walkins. Yeah, dealing walkins. He was, yeah, he was kind of weirded out by me. But because I was so, you know, you get that bright-eyed kind of young guy looking at him going, and he's like, oh, great, another fan boy, another fan boy. But he was cool.

But, you know, when I met you, you were so humble. We had such a good time. And we, that was really a good time shooting urban legend. It was a great cast. I mean, you know, I've had a lot. little crush on Alicia Witt my entire career. I remember her on the old Sybil Sepple Shepard show. Say that 10 times fast. But I mean, you know, Jared Leto, pre Oscar. Josh Jackson. The unsung acting in that movie, I mean, Loretta Devine, Brad Dorf, but the unsung performance

in that movie. Rebecca Gayhart's great in that movie. Yeah, she did a great job. What about the guy? What about the professor? Remember he was from X-Files? Oh, no. That will. See, I had lunch, the John Neville. John Neville. I had, when I was a rata boy, and I was all patches on my sleeves, you know, and talking like Madonna in London, Royal Academy, Brad. We studied some of those performances, and John Neville had done Othello on the West End with Richard Burton when the entire audience was teenage girls, because Burton was so beautiful,

you know, with his strategic acne scars and that beautiful voice that sounded like sober thunder. And they would all do the matinees, the girls, the teenage girls would all ditch school, go to the matinees to see Burton. And Neville and Burton would swap roles. One night he'd play Othello in blackface, politically incorrect. And then the next night he'd play Iago. So I go out to lunch in downtown Toronto at this elegant old restaurant with John Neville. And of course, I know all this shit.

So I start asking him these questions. And no one's asked him these questions in 50 years. So it's a little Robert England, you know, sitting there. You know, but I've got my little goate and my George Clooney haircut. And I'm being a subtle fanboy with John Neville. But he loved it. So I got all this gossip, you know, about Judy Dench and about Richard Burton. Give me something.

Give me something that nobody knows. Judy Dench apparently was wild. And Helen Mirren, he said, Helen Mirren, every time she got a, she got on stage, she had to take her clothes on. You know, she always wanted to do a nude scene back then. Helen Mirren always wanted to be naked. Apparently, that's what he says, that's what Neville told me. He goes, oh, oh, Helen, Helen, oh, she, she, she, she'd do King Lear naked if she could. She loved, I guess she loved, apparently she had a lot of nude scenes at the old, but when you're naked at the Old Ville or the Royal Shakespeare Company, that's really something, you know.

Yeah. Wow, that's pretty amazing. I remember. Yeah, John Neville was great. I remember that one line. I just always remember, it goes, the weekend. The weekend. If you look at you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, I am BD him, it's amazing.

Oh, yeah, he's done everything. See, yeah, to see the stuff he did it. I think he was sort of the new John Gilgud. I think that's sort of how I could see that. Yeah. Hey, when you were a kid and you were born in Glendale, I didn't know you were born in Glendale. I was born up in the foothills there. You know, there's that place.

There's a kind of a weird area. were Hollywood and Atwater Village and Pan Boulevard. It's sort of like Los Felis hits Glendale. And there's some foothills going up. And I was born at a hospital in those foothills. But I almost immediately became a valley boy. I grew up almost until I was 18. I was in the valley.

I was a valley boy. And I lived in Encino and Sherman Oaks and Woodland Hills and Northridge. And I lived for a while on the valley. that street right down the, right down the block from Clark Gable. So when I was like a little kid going to the market with my mom, Clark Gable would be in there, you know, in the... Wow. Did you always want to do it? Act? I remember, yeah. Yeah, I remember the moment. I was supposed to be a lawyer, but I remember the moment I was dragged, dragged off to a professional children's workshop, children's theater workshop. And I was with this older girl who was the hottest girl in the

Valley. And that's saying something. That's a pretty high bar, you know. And she later became a talk show host in Puerto Rico. And she was a wannabe actress. And I figured I'd just be, you know, sweeping backstage and, and ushering or something. I got all the lead roles. I was Pinocchio. I was Peter Pan. I was Aladdin. I was Hansel and Hansel and Greta. And I also got laid for the first time. I was 12 years old. With her? With the Puerto Rican. No, no. No, no. It was, all I remember was there was a sweatshirt that said Bloomington, Indiana on it. It was kids from all over the country. So it was some bad girl from Bloomington, Indiana. How old were you when you got laid?

12 and a half, yeah. Wait, wait, how old? My summer, 12 and a half. I didn't have penetration sex for a long time after that. But yeah, I lost me, 12 and a half. 12 and a half. I didn't have hair on my balls until I was 18. I didn't either. And I was probably the worst piece of ass in the world, you know. I, you know, talk about premature ejaculation, but, uh, oh my God, you know, and I had,

I had curlers in my hair, they, spoolies, they had curlers in my hair. The girl had put, because my hair was supposed to be curly for one of the roles I was playing. Yeah. That's ridiculous. That is absolutely wonderfully ridiculous. A hairdry or fetish now. Were your parents, were they always, uh, supportive of what you were doing and, and, and, and just like, I love you, I love you, Robert, uh, you can't go.

wrong with us. Did you have a good support system? They farmed me out to the to the children's theater. So I blame them kind of. But then later on, they sort of thought I would change my tune and stick with law. Because I was an athlete

and because I was, you know, National Thespian guy and because I had good grades, I was sort of fast-tracked maybe to go. And they invited me up to Stanford you know, for a meet. you know, that thing you'd do in a senior year, you go to a college.

Right. And I went up there, and I was a pretty hardcore surfer. And the one thing we hated were Speedos. You know, you had to have surf board shorts, not Speedos. And I went up to Stanford, and all the frat boys were from all over the country. And it was the first sunny day up in Palo Alto, and they all had their speedos on. And they were laying out in the lawn outside the frat houses rubbing each other with baby oil to get a suntan. Everybody liked to be tan back then.

We didn't know about skin cancer. And it creeped me out. So I said, nah, no. So I went to Cal State, Northridge, and UCLA for a while, you know. I just stayed close to home. But they were always like, whatever you want to do, we love you. Like, did you get, like, a lot of love as a kid? Yeah, I had this great, I had a great upbringing.

I mean, you know, it was, I looked back and it was, like, really encouraged and let me alone. and also that kind of freedom you know there was my generation we had tons of freedom you know your mom or your dad would whistle for you for dinner yeah yeah I remember that at night yeah

and until you were just out in the neighborhood and you could tell who was cool by where people's bicycles were in the driveways because in those days nobody parked in driveways you had to use the garage you know and the streets were for kids yeah and orange groves

and the beach you know was for kids you know I experienced that. I experienced that in the 80s. It was just a freedom of, like, be home by 10. They didn't know where you were. If you wanted to go see someone at the movie theater, you go, I'll meet you there at 7 and just hope they're there. Yeah.

Well, you also learned a kind of social interaction and how to survive. And it was weird. Like, at strange points during your childhood, remember when cool kids kind of were nice to you the first time, you know, or when you come over and hang. Their parents were out of town or something. or you get to go swim in their pool or their mom and drop you off at the beach,

you know, drop you off at Malibu and leave you there all day. And so those moments of time, I think, are real important because if you, if you're not out on your own, you're not able to kind of negotiate that kind of social demarcation

that exists in society. Yeah, I think that's really nice. You know, I look at your career and you've done so much. I look at TV. I look at the movies. I look at all these things. when you know your parents are seeing success and they're seeing you know charlie's angels you did charlie's angels how long i've been around yeah jesus well i mean that's not that old

that's i mean what do you my first film job is 73 but my my professional debut is 68 how old were you 20 now your parents when you did now your parents no longer with you have been gone for a while yeah you know i i wonder They see all these roles. They got to experience a lot of your success, right? Yeah, they, well, my mom wasn't around for a lot of Freddie, but the very beginning of Freddie. But my dad, my dad's great moment was, I was working and I couldn't go to the premiere of my first

movie because I was out killing Bert Reynolds in another movie. And so my dad went to my premiere, movie directed by Dan Petrie, the widest guy in the world, Canadian director, great director who directed, among other things, the original Raisin in the Sun. You know, and, I mean, that cast is Who's Who of Great Black Actors. But I didn't get to go to the premiere, and the after party was at Chasens. And my dad got to go. Wow. And he was with Pamela Sue Martin and Jan Michael Vincent.

They took care of it. And my dad got to go to the after party at Chasance. And my dad's a martini guy, and Chasins is famous for, like, the best martini in the world. My dad had been there before, but not a lot. So my dad loved that. My dad kind of knew I had arrived because he got to go to the after party at Chasens. And I had single, you know, the first time you get single card at your own table. My first movie, I got single card.

Single card in at the, you know, you have your own table at the party. If there's a, you know. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, fourth billing. And so my dad kind of got it in. And I kept the, I kept, you know, I was Bobby England, Robbie England for my whole life. And I used Robert England.

and that my dad really made my dad feel good because that's what my dad would call me when he was pissed at me but what was it like he's like Robert Robert get your ass in here 12 and a half years old laying pipe what are you doing went out of the driveway but like you know I have to say like when I first got Smallville when they first saw it that was the first time they were like oh you're on a successful show like I had done a lot of things that weren't successful but that was you know but this was the biggest thing this was like holy shit so Nightmare. Yeah. And all of a sudden, you know, it was like, everybody was like, wait a minute.

It's not just another independent film or a little, you know, my dad always said, what are you doing? I'm doing this movie. When's it going to be in theaters? Well, it's independent. Oh, so it's not real. Well, no, it could become a movie. Man, can you go to Utah? Yeah, it always just somehow lessened, it made me feel lesser than I was. But we won't get into that. But, you know, but I wonder when they first saw Nightmare in Elm Street and they saw you as not playing the buddy, not playing these, you know, the plays and all that stuff was great. And they're like, this guy, our son's talented. But when they saw you as this, come to life, this larger than life character, did they ever, does your mom or dad ever just

say, wow, Robert? Did they ever have that moment? They never saw me on stage, uh, at, you know, professionally, which was a great disappointment because I had a couple of big successes, uh, on the stage. But Johnny Carson, I think, did a Freddie Krueger joke or Dick Cabot or somebody for Freddy Krueger joke. And they heard that. And I'd sort of entered the popular culture by then. And there was also on the Sunday funnies. One of the cartoonists in the Sunday papers had done a Freddie Krueger thing. And that's actually what sort of relaxed them, you know. but I had also done V. V was a big show.

I loved to do. And it was a mini-series. And it was a big event. And it had this really rare advertising campaign like Rosemary's Baby. When I was in college in UCLA hanging out, all over the streets of Westwood, there were stencils that said,

pray for Rosemary's Baby, and fake graffiti that said pray for Rosemary's Baby. Rosemary's baby. So we were all anticipating it. If you hadn't read the book by Ira Levin, you know, what is this? Rosemary's baby, it's coming, it's coming. And or you just see an entire billboard and it was just a baby's bastonet, you know, or a baby carriage.

Yeah, creepy. And so they did the same thing with V. They did fake graffiti, like dripping graffiti, like graffiti, like graffiti had been spray. A big V, right? A big V and it was dripping, like red, red spray paint everywhere, all over America, on billboards. And my parents saw that, and I had already told them I was doing it. So they knew that was sort of like, oh, you know, and also, and you know this, I mean,

because you've done a lot of independence. You get that TV money, that first TV check, you forget. That's where the bucks are. Oh, yeah. TV and certification, that's where you make your money. That's how you buy your first house. Yeah. And I couldn't believe it, you know, getting those first checks from V.

uh you know that was like whoa you know after a month you know you're maybe you've got six figures in the bank you can't believe it you know and that was mark singer right v mark and fay grant and i see if i saw fay grant singing in the rain on broadway she's so good yeah a lot of people michael uh michael ironside the great michael ironside yeah within that yeah it was fun huge cast uh uh michael right uh just terrific actors yeah that's awesome. I mean, we got those guys that became ILN, John Dykstra from Star Wars, and they came over and did our effects. And so special effects on V were what really raised the bar for special effects on television. You look back at it now and it looks kind of like cheesy CGI. But back

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You know, you said something about Star Wars the Star Wars guy. Did you audition for Star Wars? You know, it's the way. It's internet uh yeah they throw that out there well it's the internet screws up it's like that dixie cup with a string in it the way they uh kind of obstruct the truth no i have a great uh once upon a time in hollywood story that i tell at conventions and it got turned into robert england was up for star wars i was i wanted to go in and and audition for the frederick forest role in Apocalypse Now, the chef.

Right. I was too young, and Freddie Forrest was under contract to Zoya Trope. But I got in for the surfer because I had done Big Wednesday, because I surf. So they brought me in for the surfer. They thought I was a little bit too old. I had kind of stubbly beard, but I was buff. I was tan, I was surfing, I had long, blonde hair, and I was wearing kind of military a thrift shop outfit Apocalypse Now, right?

I think I even had a pair of fake dog tags on. My shirt unbuttoned, long, blonde, curly hair. And Fred Roos or somebody walked me across the hall from the Apocalypse Now audition, which I did not get. They said, you know, you might be right for something here. And they brought me over to the Star Wars audition. And I don't even think it was called Star Wars then. and they took my Polaroid like a mugshot you know profile and full face and I think it was for the hand solo role I think they were didn't they didn't know how to go with it originally they were thinking of an older uncle the kind of guy that brings a joint to Thanksgiving gets all the kids high you know the cool older uncle and then and I think they even offered it to Tom Seller I think I heard and he turned them down or something I don't know but anyway he turned it down for a for a reverse mortgage

Yeah, back in the day, little Annie's husband passed away. She loved her house, though. She didn't want to lose her house. Anyway, I've been around the block. This ain't my first rodeo. Anyway, I go across the hall, and I'm just excited because I love George Lucas. American graffiti, THX 138, I love George Lucas. I go across the hall.

I take my Polaroid, maybe for Hans Solo. but I noticed the sides for Luke Skywalker because the name, it's such a great name, Luke Skywalker. And I looked at the sides. I can't remember if I stole them or not. I went across the street to the Formosa. So now you know where I am.

Oh, yeah. I had a couple of bushmills, jumped in my old 2000 Dotson, not year 2000, cubic inches. And I went back to my place in Laurel Canyon. And I look outside. There's a pair of old, beat up fry boots in front of my front door, which means, ah, it's Mark Hamill because we would take

off our shoes. I had nice carpeting in my layer up in Laurel Canyon. And Mark was on my couch watching the Bob Newhart show. We would watch Bob Newhart and Mary Tyler Moore. If we hadn't watched the originals, then we'd call our agents. And I walked in the door and I said, hey, Mark, you know, George Lucas is doing another movie. And you might be right for this. So my once upon a time in Hollywood story is that Freddie Kruger told Luke Skywalker to call his agent and he got the part. You know, he got in there and got the part. Now, his agent hates me telling this story because she swears that she already had submitted

him, but I don't know. Of course. This is before your time. But in the 70s, you were either movies or you were TV. You didn't go back and forth until Travolta. Oh, yeah. until welcome back Cotter and then he went into

Saturday Night Fever, right. That was a big shift. That was a big shift. You were either a movie guy or a TV guy and your agents had power accordingly, you know, to that. And even then it was tough. Even after that,

it didn't really start to happen until like even, I'd say even really in 2000s. Like, you know. It was tricky. I mean, you were either a TV actor or you were a movie actor. It was very different, yeah. Wow, what a great story.

So you and you and Mark Hamel were close. Mark was turned me on to the kinks, he turned me on to Lenny Bruce, all the Lenny Bruce albums, Lord Buckley, but best of all was Monty Python. And we had all the albums. And I did, for like a year, I didn't realize they performed that stuff, actually performed it as sketch comedy. I just thought they were like BBC, radio voices. And we would lay on our backs, you know, and look at the ceiling in my apartment. and just play the albums over and over again and try to memorize the routines. We love Monty Python. Mark Hamill in real life is just really, really quick, really funny. He is.

You know, he works a little blue, you know? Oh, yeah. It's different than you think, you know, because he was so good looking. He was always sort of like leading man. Yeah. But he's actually, I think, a character actor. A couple, I know a lot of people are like that. Richard Gears maybe, you know, he's such a good looking guy,

but he might actually really be a character actor in a leading man's body. I think it happens occasionally to some of these guys. Did you have where, you know, you and Mark are good friends and then, because this happens all the time, he goes off to do Star Wars, he becomes a big star, and then you don't hear from him again? No, Mark came back and told us all the stories. Did he say, this is going to suck? Wait.

Yeah, no. Mark knew, because Mark's a fan boy. You know, Mark's, Mark had a letter in Famous Monsters magazine as a child. You know, I think he was a military brat. And Mark knew that it was going to be huge. And I got, he told me, you know, Alec Guinness stories, and I think he had a crush on Kerry Fisher. And, no, Mark and I were friends after that for, for a while.

What changed was I moved. I moved to Santa Monica. I had some money after, I think it was after Stay Hungry. And we moved to Santa Monica or I moved some, Mark moved, or Mark moved to Malibu, I moved to Hancock Park. And we just, that was like, you know, we just didn't see each other as much anymore. Mark got married. And that's sort of like when we didn't.

I would see him occasionally at, you know, like Comic-Con down in San Diego or something. Right. And Star Wars was 78, 76? Yeah. 77, 78, yeah. And Nightmare and M Street was what, 80? 84. Yeah, I was just still, I was doing, I think I was doing my Henry Fonda movie then.

Right. Right. Right around then, yeah. Did you, when you auditioned, do you remember the scene you auditioned for, for Freddie? It was a meet. I didn't read. You met with Wes? Nope, it was a meet. And it was, I think it was in North Hollywood, but it might have been at the studio, the old Desi Loo studio on Goenga.

But I, again, I was like surfing then. When I wasn't acting, I was just surfing. So I was really, really tan. and I had really long blonde hair and my hair is kind of fine and thin and I remember greasing my hair back using some oil under the hood of my car and I've told this story a million times

I'm sorry if I'm boring anymore. No, no, I haven't heard it. But I also use cigarette ash under my eyes. It's an old makeup theater trick. It looks very real. You can make your eyes look real heroin chic, kind of junky. You can sink your eyes a bit

and to kind of counteract my healthy Malibu tan. And I greased my hair back, and you could kind of see through my hair to see my skull a little bit because my hair was greased and slicked back. And my hairline's high anyway. And I went in, and I just remember, keep your mouth shut, Robert.

Keep your mouth shut. And I played staring games with Wes. I tried not to blink. You know, that old thing when you're a kid, you try not to blink. Who can go longest without blinking? And Wes was the raconteur. Wes was telling me all of his ideas about the movie and what it meant and how it would be.

And I listened and absorbed that, but I kind of posed a little bit. I kind of sucked my cheeks in and I kind of made my eyes a little bit psycho. And I think that's how I got the part. But Annette Benning, I don't know if you went up for National Ampoon movies or stuff with Annette Benning. I had just been up for National Ampoons class reunion. Every role in the movie, I'd tested with everybody, Annie Potts. I'd tested with everybody.

And I didn't get it. I kind of canceled myself out with my being too versatile or something. I don't know. But Annette felt bad about that. And I think Annette was really my champion and convinced Wes. Annette Benning. Annette Benson. Benson, Jesus Christ.

I was like, Annette Benning. Annette Benson. Not Annette Benning, not the actress. Okay. That's me. That's a mind fart. I apologize. I apologize to both of them.

No, Annette Benson was the casting director. She did a lot, a lot. She's quite famous. And I think she really fought for me. But there's another theory that I have a real skinny kind of hatchet face. And they were very worried. Bob Shea had a New Line, Westgrave. And they were all worried, David Miller, the makeup effects guy,

about when you put makeup on somebody, a lot of times if they have a big head and a lot of people in film have big heads because it looks great on film. Small people with big heads. You know what I'm talking about. You have a big head, thank you. If you put makeup on them, prosthetics,

then their heads really look big, especially if they don't have broad shoulders. Right. Well, I'm 5'10 and I've got reasonably broad shoulders so I could take the prosthetics without it looking out of ratio to the rest of my body. And I think it could have been as simple as that,

although I hadn't done any tests or anything. They may have just been able to tell by the way I looked. Did you think you were going to, like, oh, they're going to fire me once they see makeup on? There's always this actor thought of like, they're going to fire me once, no? No, you know, there was a strange thing. I kind of owned it quick. I mean, West didn't give me much direction from after about the first couple of days. I just sort of got it.

He knew, I knew that Freddie exists in a dream. So it's a little larger than life. You're dreaming, Freddy. He's not walking around in an hour. sharing a cigarette with you behind the Formosa. Freddy's in your dream. So it's slightly exaggerated. You know, Freddy could break into song and dance if he wanted to.

And he kind of knows your subconscious. He's kind of in there looking in your underwear drawer of your subconscious and knowing what makes you tick. So I kind of got that right away. And Wes just sort of left me alone and he liked the way I physicalized it. And I was sort of set free. I had done like a year and a half straight of television. And you know, Michael, how many times at the end of the day,

they light you for 45 minutes and stick you in a corner and you just have to listen to somebody else's monologue. Right. And they just need, you're going to only use three seconds of that. But you stand there for a half hour trying to look cool, you know? And, you know, I was so freed from that, wearing the makeup and getting to physicalize I felt very liberated

I was able to move more kind of danced a guy yeah what was your first line that you remember and you're like how am I going to deliver this what am I did you know did you rehearse it a million times in front of the mirror no you know I found the voice putting the makeup on really that's when you found the voice

yeah and I think the first line I had was just saying the name of the girl Tina and I think I did it a lot of different ways, but I wanted to do it with a whisper. Tina! You know, I had this idea of it as a whisper, dot, dot, dot, you know. I could sort of see it mentally. And I think that was my first line.

Though I found the voice sitting out in the valley, deep valley, you know, borderline Pekoma, North Hollywood. And I was in a garage at David Miller, the great David Miller's makeup shop and in an old vintage 1950s, 1940s, barber chair in front of the mirrors. And maybe this was the second or third time we did a makeup test. And David wasn't real, his hygiene with his brushes wasn't real good. And they would get kind of stiff and crusty, you know, like day old snot. And he was kind of like touching me up because Wes or Bob Shea or both of them were coming over to look at the makeup and give him notes.

And he was kind of stabbing me with his crusty brush. I think I went something like, God damn it, David. And I saw myself say, God damn it, David, in the mirror. And the reason I said that was I was a little horse or something or I hadn't had my morning coffee. And I went, oh, hey, I kind of like that. That guttarily plays voice work. Wow.

So I had the voice from that yelling at David Miller one day, you know. That is. You know, Freddie's talking like this. I'm saying, hey, what are we going to? you know, and he's trying to, he wants to listen to heavy metal music in the morning, and I want to watch the Today Show. Let's watch the Today Show, you know. I like that, Jane Polly.

Hey, you know, and that's my voice, you know, surfing USA, Robert England from the Valley. Right. And I can't use my raw voice, my long vowels, don't talk at whole. So I found that voice yelling and scolding David Miller at like eight in the morning, somewhere, you know, in East Bum Fuck North Hollywood, you know, in a garage, in a barber's chair. But it was seeing it come out of that face in the mirror. God damn it, David.

I just love that. I got it, David. Wait a minute. Thank you, David. What? You're fucked. You're crazy. I know.

I watched the documentary. It was like a, I don't know, eight parts, whatever series of the whole nightmare down street. And I watched it. And it was just like, you know, they kind of let you run free after a while because you would come up with all the,

stuff i mean i mean a lot of those things you were you know like welcome to prime time bitch was your line right that's yeah but i i in all fairness to the writers and there's some great writers it's like who's who guy that wrote shashank redemption you know we have great writers on the show force majeure a lot of great people and uh and of course west brian hegeland you know but you know what happens you know on smallville about halfway through season two for you, Michael. What about halfway through season two? You know, you get, you have your house directors on a series.

And then you have, you know, because of the DGA, you have to have new directors every so many episodes. And, you know, every once in a while you get a new director and he's probably not a real big Superboy fan. Right. You know, he wants, he likes Terrence Malik. He wants to follow Lex Luthor with a handheld steady cam between his legs, walking, you know, up the stairs.

And, and they don't, that's not something. And he's not paying attention to the plot. He doesn't know who you really like and who you don't like. And he makes you stand next to somebody you don't like or he wants you to do something, a piece of business with a prop that you know, as Michael Rosenbaum, you know he wouldn't do that. Lex Luthor wouldn't drink a beer out of a bottle. Right, right.

That's not Lex Luthor. He drinks, you know, 25-year-old scotch out of crystal. Right. And you just know that about the character. Well, you own it. There comes a point where even you know more than. the writers about the do's and don'ts of Lex Luthor. And then the same thing happened with me with Freddie.

There comes a point where I just sort of owned it, you know. Rennie Harlan, the director, Rennie Harlan, who really let me alone on part four. And that's my favorite performance of Freddie, because he really let me kind of dance the character a bit, you know? Right. Really make him reptilian, kind of wear the furniture. Yeah. I mean, you just tell you were having more and more fun.

I remember the audience, even, like, even during the whole run of all the, the, the, the movies, I remember forcing my mom. Well, I didn't force my mom. She loved horror movies and got me to watch horror movies with her when I was eight. So that's why I'm kind of fucked up. But we're watching the one where I believe it's Dream Warriors. And I remember somebody in the audience just jumped up and goes, that's Freddy's mama. Helena Kruger. And I was, I remember going, wow, man.

And people are excited about this movie still. Well, you know, there's a great happy accident. And I'm sure it's happened to you with some cult films. Video, for me, would have been DVD for you, Michael. But I came of, my career came of age during the video revolution. So I had hit movies in the theaters. And then they became hit, hit films again when they came out in video. to a whole other audience.

Yep. But I have that times eight. And that's not counting the TV series. And not only do I have that times eight, but then I have it again with DVD and Blu-ray and cable and marathons on cable. So you get a new generation. Yeah. I'm on my third generation of fans.

So what you're saying is you're rich. The movie had a 20-year run. It was 84, 84 to 94. And then 10 years went away. And then we did Freddy v. Jason. And that revived. That revived it again for a new generation. So we actually had a 20-year run, eight movies, a television series.

Jesus, man. And DVD and videos. And then the videos became the making of. And then the TVs became Blu-ray, you know, and they became more sophisticated. Now, people aren't doing that anymore. But now people, I went looking like on the subset of, menus on a streaming app the other day and i couldn't believe it it was there was like a robert england section you know just horror movies you know what how cool is that i forgot i'd done you know

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did they try because I know Wes didn't direct the second one I know there but the fact that they did did they did not ask you to do the second one or that you wanted to here they asked me to do it and now they're I've heard there was a money thing but I never remember I don't remember there being a money thing. I just remember there being a scheduling thing. And because I had agreed on the money, or my agent had agreed on the money, he made demands with them about the scheduling. And so they were going to use a double for me for a scene in a steam room. So they used a double for me. And I was supposed to start the next day. And I literally remember being in makeup late in the day, like two in the afternoon. And they had finished with,

The second day of using this double. And the director, Jack's shoulder, had gone to Bob Shea and the people and said, we've got to reshoot this stuff with Robert. It's horrible. This guy's walking around like Frankenstein. You know, and he did, it's like we got to do with Robert. He goes, you don't know. And so I really have to thank Jack's shoulder for stopping shooting while I was getting

makeup in the makeup trailer when I finally was scheduled. I'd finished whatever else I was doing some other movie. And he brought me, they brought me in. And they were already a couple of days into the shooting of the boys at the high school. And brought me in and I was there getting my makeup. I think it was my one and only late call for makeup I had up until that point. Normally I'm there at the crack of dawn. And I think I saw the other guy for a minute.

I saw them, they had a mask on him or something. I don't even know if they had the right makeup on him, because they hadn't designed any for him. And Kevin Yeager was the makeup guy for Part 2. The great Kevin Yeager produced Sleepy Hollow. Yeah. Created Shucky and everything else. And Kevin Yeager, you know, was there putting on my makeup,

and he'd prepared it. So obviously, we'd been, we'd made the deal because he'd had to do the molds and everything, or he'd gotten the molds from David Miller and had done all the sculpting on the prosthetic pieces. And it was finer and thinner. I remember. I don't quite remember going to Kevin's shop,

but perhaps I did before that. Maybe I did go to Kevin shop and do a test. But there had been that delay in scheduling. But I really have Jack shouldered a thing for being the guy, you know, the director of Part 2 saying you got to use Robert. There's nobody else. So there was no discrepancy. There was no not ever thinking of not casting you in the second one because of money or anything like that.

Well, they offered me. I was offered the part and I don't think it was money because I, I remember, I was still, perhaps I had just finished V the second, or I was still doing the series of V or I had just finished the series of V, and we were all sitting around with our fingers crossed and it would be picked up. And I had renegotiated. And that's where I was making, you know, that's where I was making my big bucks. Right.

I'm Aaron Elmster. But you should have been. It was quite easy for me to say, oh, they're offering, you know, this amount. Fine, I'll do it. you know but they have to wait wait a way till i'm done with the last episode of my of v because then then i'll be on hold for v waiting to hear if i'm picked up and we'll fit in nightmare and elsie and they were all they were kind of uppity about that but but what would yeah but robert i i i feel like i i know i would have been and anybody out listening would be like i'm freddie

fucking Kruger. That movie was, I'm Fred Kruger here. So pay up. Michael, you have to understand back then, my head was in V. V was my international success. They were flying me over to Italy for award shows. I think I'd already done one movie in Europe, which I love. I love working in Europe in Spain or somewhere. And I love playing Freddie. And I knew Freddie was a hit, but there was only one Freddy. And it had just begun. to take off huge internationally and because this would have been 85 right and I my head was not just in the Freddie Krueger playbook I was still hoping I'd get picked up for V because then I would be rich right and so I wasn't thinking about negotiating my agent was just trying to think clear the

schedule make this schedule work and not demand a bunch of money that this wasn't where my head was have. Again, I'll tell you that, at the end of Nightmare 2, the one we're talking about, I had to do pickup shots in a little MTV studio on Santa Monica Boulevard in West Hollywood. And I just, I think I had to like, you know, peer around a door or, you know, they saw me, they saw my shadow, maybe a shot moving up my legs and you saw me from down, just a couple of atmosphere pickup shots. And And West Craven loaned them the original glove for the pickup shots.

And I went over there, and I had been told by somebody at Fanglo to watch out for industrial espionage of fanboys who were going to try to steal some props at this shoot. And we realized there were a couple of guys there on the crew that weren't really on the crew. And the reason we IDed them was because they had brand new tool belts from Walmart, brand new. You know, that new kind of Timberland letter, that bright orangey leather, you know. Yeah. You can tell, you know, like when you go to school the first day after Christmas, the guy that has all the new clothes on, you know, you can tell. Yeah. It wasn't grip, yeah.

Everything, all the tools were shiny and new, you know. He didn't have them in the right loops. So we kind of figured out who these guys were. So I took the glove. I took the original glove and I just gave it to my agent. as a present, you know, because I didn't think this nightmare at Elm Street thing was going to be that big. I figured, hey, I got, I did two of them, you know, it's helping me overseas. Great, you know. I hadn't made a lot of money. I thought it was going to be a TV star back then. I thought,

oh, I'm going to be the new doctor's spot or something because it would be. And the next thing I know, you know, I've got first class tickets to Paris and first class tickets to Hong Kong and all that stuff. Wow. Kind of changed overnight for me. And then by the next thing, then by the time three came i couldn't control it by the time the nightmare three came around which was i think is the biggest hit of all of them yeah with matricia arquette that's my favorite the original is my favorite then three i would say is my second favorite three is the fan favorite yeah it's just the kids and you it's just i love west craven's new nightmare the best but oh yeah

that's fantastic that's real kind of deconstructed you know uh kind of meta yeah and fun What did you, you know, a lot of people, I know you've heard this a million times and you could like denounce it or whatever. But, you know, they say that the second film, you know, when you watch it, there's a lot of, you know, undertones. There are sexual, what's a proper terminology here? Well, there's a subtext. Let's call it like it is. The homosexual subtext of part two, the gay subtext is that Fred, is playing with the two boys.

He's in their subconscious, Mark Patton and Robert Russeler. Freddy's in their heads. They're having Freddie nightmares. So he's playing with them. He's toying with their adolescent hormones and any latent homosexuality that might be present in either of them. So that's there.

We played with that. And Freddie plays with it. There's a scene where I, you know, I circle the boy's mouth. with my blade and practically French kissing. Right. And I remember talking to Mark and going, Mark was, I'm going to make this real darkly erotic here.

We were on topic. Jack was so busy worrying about the effects and the money and that constantly tick-tock clock going, you know, when you're shooting. The Jack doesn't remember, you know, that we played with that. But I know Mark and I talked about it. I think Robert Russeler and I talked about it. But Bob Shea, I think on the interviews, he would say like, no, I don't remember anything like that.

I think he was the one. Bob doesn't remember talking about it because we were so worried about, you know, getting, you know, we shot in Pasadena. If you know anything about shooting in Pasadena, you've got to have everything rolled up and out of town by 10.30 at night or though, you know, it's a huge fine. Right. They had a lot of pressure on them. But Bob Shea plays an S&M bartender in the S&M bar sequence. I know, that's right. The presenter in the movie.

It's not, you know, there's definitely, it's not, you know, there's, and we, right. And we, right away, you know, I, right away I was getting all his fan mail from kids that loved, you know, and Mark Patton was getting his fan mail from, from boys and girls that were saying, we always liked seeing ourselves, you know, we're troubled and all of that and confusing, you know. And so we played it. It was just one more element to sink your teeth into. It's amazing. It's not what the movie's about, but it is a subtext in the movie.

It's amazing that I, as a kid, when I watched it, you know, it scared the shit out of me, and I didn't recognize any of that. And then when I watched it as an adult, I go, oh, my gosh, look at the door. It says, keep out the boys. If you watch any of them, there's some, there's sexual stuff at all. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Freddie, you know, there's a beauty in the beast, sexuality hidden there.

Right. That's always part of it. But it's not, you know, the thing that people get wrong is imagining that Freddie's a paedophile. No, no, no, no. Freddy, Freddy's a child killer. You want to think of that poetically, darkly poetic, like a, like a Doors song, you know, Jim Morrison's classic cover of child killer, you know, Alice Cooper, a child killer, you know, or somebody. It's that darkly, child killer has a thing to it. He's killing the future, children of the future, he's killing the future.

There's something dark in William Blake and creepy and dark about that, you know, so he's killing kids. he doesn't need to rape him you know right isn't that bad enough that he's killing him yeah yeah that's bad enough i you know by the way your energy it's like i i'm back on set on urban legend with you just have that lovable fun you know just your great storyteller and i appreciate i'm a fan too you know we talk about i mean you and i remember you and i bonded over movies we love that oh yeah oh yeah and i want to bond with you again we got we got to catch up for real i mean this is this is enormous for me i love this i've always wanted to have you and and the fans my patrons out they're going to love this by the way this is this is called shit talking with robert england

and this is rapid fire see answer these real quick from from fans okay rapid fire taylor k what was the most difficult scene to film in the nightmare in elm street franchise um probably uh the the demon freddie uh in uh freddie versus jason i'm a little over the hill when i did that movie i had to do my sit-ups every morning and uh eat my yogurt and my gluten-free And I, that's really me underwater in that movie. And that's me coming out. Wow. Landing on the deck of the pier.

But I couldn't get that makeup off because they double glued me on the demon makeup. And they were worried that I'd leak like an old condom, you know. And I'd look like a water balloon or something after one take. So they double glued me and we couldn't get that off. And it took hours to see it. Glastrophobic. They scrubbed and scrubbed and scrubbed. And by then I'm raw, and I had to go back to work the next morning at dawn to put the traditional Freddie makeup on.

And that was a bitch of a week. Thank God I had a break coming up on Friday. Steph A. as the King of Nightmares, have you ever had a real nightmare that scared you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have one for years when I was a child, and I had it into adolescence where it's sort of Porkchop Hill meets Manchurian candidate. You know, the traditional Korean war, the Korean soul. North Korean soldier. They have that hat, you know, with the flaps pinned up and the red star. So that scared me to death. It's a Cold War fear, I guess, from watching the news or something.

But I'm on a playground. I'm a child. I'm in elementary school. And I'm in the lap of the most beautiful girl in the sixth grade. And I'm dying. And she's caressing me. And blood's coming out of the corner of my mouth. And over the fence of the playground are all of the... these North Korean soldiers with guns and fur coats and those those hats with the red star and the ear flaps pinned up coming at me. And I don't know what it's from or where it's from, but I had that probably until I was 20 years old. Don't eat before you go to bed. And I wrote about it in my book and I mentioned the girl's name. And about five years ago,

I got an email from her, this girl from my sixth grade class. Wow. What does it mean? I don't know, man. That's in June. I swear to God, I'm not even being weird, but I had a dream that you came over my house instead to Zoom me and you were in makeup, but you were, it was really bad makeup. And I'm like, well, you know, you don't have to be in makeup for the interview. And then you're like, no, it's fine.

It's fine. And you're looking at my shit and you're, it was just weird. I don't know. Anyway, Carly T. You have played Freddie across various platforms. What's your favorite version of Freddie to play? You said the fourth one. Do you like, but movie?

Yeah, nightmare four, the one Rennie Harlan directed. He let me kind of physicalize it and dance him a little more in that. Right. And I really like my performance in that one. Lauren W. Do you still have the iconic red and blue sweater? No way. No way.

No, I gave it to Planet Hollywood for their big opening. And they shut down. Yeah, it must be in Bruce Willis's attic now. Or his ass. Somewhere in Idaho. Little Lisa, what was your favorite part about working on urban legend besides working with me? well i did like those lunches with baron munchausen you know with john neville those were fun plus i got to i got to act with alicia wit and i've had such a crush you have does nancy know this i don't know i don't know

she does now late in life i got a little tangle for redheads i never had it now now i'll be flipping around the tv i see an old ronda fleming movie and i get a heart on i mean i don't understand She, well, just late in life, redheads. Well, Rusky S. Rusky, speaking of Rusky, oh, Rusky over there. Rusky S, did you, you ad lib any of the great one-liners? He already told us his story. But what's your, what's your favorite one-liner?

Well, I like welcome to prime time, bitch. But there's one in Freddie versus Jason, where he says, don't worry, princess. The first time tends to get a little messy. I remember that. Good God. Leanne P. I love your portrayal of. Willie and one of my all-time favorite mini-series, V, of course.

Any fun memories you'd like to share from behind the scenes? Well, you know, I'm always broken harder that we got prematurely canceled when we turned a series. One night we were working on the back lot at Warner Brothers, and we had trash barrels with little fires in them, kind of like a homeless encampment. And we were all seeing around warming our hands and doing this scene. And I went over, and I saw that the Daily's the next day and it was night time and we're all lit underneath with the flames and I said this

is what the show should look like because they tried to play the normalcy of the earth being kind of invaded and held captive by these aliens and I love the idea of the underground and the rebels kind of having to like live by their wits and living underground and this idea of like these sort of like homeless camps and the fires in trash cans and skulking around at night, it just, I went, oh my God, this was probably halfway into the series.

You know, it costs nothing. We just shoot nights and make it look. Now we've seen that post-apocalyptic look on everything. Right. Now we stick to death of that. But back then in the early 80s, this was a great look. And we could have embraced that,

I think, along with the leftover John Dykstra creation, and it would have been a better look for the series. Lisa H., what was it like working with Andrew Dice Clay and the Adventures of Ford Fairline? Your character in that movie made her laugh out loud. Hello, hello, hello.

Snapper. Andrew used to call me Snapperhead. Hey, Snapperhead. What are you doing? Andrew, you know, I used to go to a market, my first gourmet market, a chalet gourmet, I'm a corner of Sunset Boulevard in Fairfax.

And I almost scratched Andrew's Cadillac, opening the door there once. And Andrew went off on me in character. You know, he was smoking a cigarette in the parking line. And then cut two years later, I'm working with Andrew. And he remembered it, you know. And he was really sweet. You know, he kind of apologized. He said, I was in a bad mood.

I just lost the part. But I remember when Andrew bought his first house, and he was signing the papers in his dressing room. And he was nervous. He was like a big kid. You know, he really is a teddy bear in real life. But, you know, I remember Nora, Nora Dunn, you know. Oh, yeah, Saturday Live.

And complaining about him. And we, you as a comic and me as an actor, knowing other actors' source material, I always knew that that he was doing a little bit of Buddy Love and a little bit of Fonzorelli, you know. He was doing a little bit of Lords of Flatbush. He was doing Joey Butterfouca. He was doing those. Long Island guys. You and I know that. And for her not to see that and to think that was, Andrew, you know, it kind of broke my heart that it took the wind out of his career for a while.

But he's had the last lap, said that HBO show, did that great Woody Allen movie with Kate Blanchette. I remember he cried on Arsenio Hall, I think it was. He was like, you know, people, you know, they think that I'm this way. And he starts talking about that. But he had the best one-liners. This guy in the audience was heck. We don't need people. I you get out of here and he just looks and goes why don't you turn your teeth around and bite your throat do a soul of favor you fuck and he goes hey you're the look at you you're the type of guy that gets out of the shower to take a piss I just loved him I mean I just he didn't mean that shit he was just working he was a character well any star shit at all

on board fairly that you know that movie didn't do that well when it came out but now it's and you know you've had some like this too it's great it's full-fledged cult classic now yeah hey lastly Gilbert Gottfried you know Vince Neil

from Motley crew I mean everybody and their dog is in that way I remember being in the Capitol Records building sitting with Priscilla Presley and Wayne Newton and he had the left

left-handed a stratocaster of Jimmy Hendricks and Wayne Newton is a huge rock encyclopedia. He knows everything about rock and roll. Everybody. He's met everybody. He's

Mr. Las Vegas. And he was telling stories about Elvis and literally playing chords on the Jimmy Hendricks Stratocaster. And he and Priscilla are old friends. And you know, it's like, you're like, whoa. And then we went to roast Joel silver in Vegas at a roast, and I got to walk through the casino with the king of Las Vegas's

wife, Priscilla Presley, on one hand, and Wayne Newton, Mr. Las Vegas on the other, and the casino parted like the Red Sea, you know, the Ten Commandments. And people came up and they had, you know, Priscilla kissed her, kiss their dice, you know, not Andrew Dice, Clay, but, you know, they're nice for craps and they also had uh you know they just wanted to touch them for good luck and that was all because you know of andrew dice clay in his movie joel silver produced it you know right harland also directed that got the directed part for but uh that was just a a really fun gig i did all my own stunts on that too that's me and the sinking boat you know it's really it's yours truly i love it hey let me ask you last before we go i shouldn't maybe this shouldn't be

the last question but you know i worked with west uh we did a movie that didn't know somebody saw really called cursed. And I just, I really loved him. He sent me a letter before I worked with them. Just, I still have the letter about just, just saying, I love your work and I'd love for you to come and join us. And it was just, but when he passed away, it broke my heart. I felt so horrible about it, but I know that you knew him for so many years. Were you guys close and did it, how did it affect you? We were close. And we had mutual respect. You know, Wes is a double threat, writer-director, which you always feel comfortable with. that. And I did a series for Wes up in Vancouver. And we were watching SNL one night. I had the

best apartment by Stanley Park because I walked my dog in Stanley Park. And we were watching SNL and it was the night of the head wound Harry sketch with Dana. And Wes and myself, my wife, a couple of the actors from the show were all sitting around. drinking a bottle of wine and headroom Harry came on and Wes is very tall you know and Wes is sitting on my couch and Wes almost fell off the couch laughing

he was laughing so hard he was crying and he turned into the 14 year old boy that is West loving that dark funny tricky humor that head wound Harry was and I mean I had to like slap him on the back because he was laughing so hard we thought he was going to choke

and Les had let down his hair so to speak in front of me that night gotten a little drunk you know and laughed until he was crying at that sketch and I think that was kind of my gift from Wes that he finally became one of the guys

with Wallet instead of just my boss you know he was one of the guys finally that's amazing yeah he uh I remember he again he used to always have me do impressions for takes and the cast were they were just like so they had to redo this movie curse so they redid it they wanted

him to reshoot it, which he was so pissed off about it. And the actors had to come back, but they recast a couple actors. And he asked me, and it wasn't even a huge part, but I just wanted to work with West. I just didn't care. And every day, he would just have me, Michael, do it like walking. Do it like Malcovic. Do it like, and the cast was like tired, but they were like kind of trying to be nice. But I'm like, are you sure? He's like, yes. And so I was barely in the movie. And then when we had a rap party on the video, I was like 80% of it. I'm a guy that works like six days on the movie and he he was just so at the end of it we used to talk about amity of a horror he goes it was a hoax i'm like no it wasn't we would talk about it right up till

we're shooting and we would just he was so fun to be around and at the end i go west he goes michael i go it's great working with you he's like my pleasure it was a real pleasure and i go i'm going to give you a hug now he goes are you sure and i go if you if you don't mind he goes okay hug and it was just I just loved I wanted he's one of those guys where you want him to like you you just he's such a good spirit to be around you think that a lot of people don't know I don't know if you ever went up to his house he had the coolest the coolest bachelor pad in all of L.A. He lived in Steve McQueen's old bachelor pad. Wow. And he retooled it. He had a you know an exercise pool and everything in it was cool. Every coffee table book.

Every CD line around the art on the walls, it was just the coolest place, right on a cliff, way up Nichols Canyon, overlooking. You can see Catalina Island. So there's that part of West. He also, when I first met him at his first house down in Venice, he had some great cars, original XKE, you know, Peter O'Toole, Audrey Hepburn, you know, how to steal a million XKE in his garage. but there's also the West Craven that as a child was not allowed you know to read comic books or go to movies

or watch TV he could only see like a couple of Disney movies a year so Wes was always kind of catching up you could always turn Wes on to some movie or or you know some horror movie great classic or something kind of grind house Quentin Tarantino S or something like that because he sort of miss that as a child because his parents, he wouldn't let he and his brother see that stuff.

Wow. Yeah. He had that hunger and that curiosity. And I think he also, because of that, he sort of kept the 14-year-old boy alive in him. Yeah. Hey, I love you. It's so great to see you and hear from you. And thank you for being on the podcast.

My pleasure, Michael. Hey, be careful out there. All right. We'll all see each other at a con soon. I love that interview. I really enjoy he's just so open and I think you know when you play a character for so long you know you can get tired of the same old questions and yeah I try to mix it up but it's so iconic and you know my friends and I we actually sat down and watched all the

nightmare in Elm Streets yeah yeah it was a good time it was a good time they're not all good I'll tell you that right now there's a lot of them they can't all be yeah no they can't be there's a couple of them that I really liked but um dream warriors was my favorite the first one Dream Warriors was really good. But thank you, Robert England, for coming on the podcast. It meant a lot to me, and I consider you an old friend. And, yeah, if you enjoy that, stick around. Please subscribe to the podcast.

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