Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - GENE SIMMONS: Raising KISS Empire, Coming Clean to Shannon & Tasting Jam for the First Time

Episode Date: April 28, 2026

Gene Simmons (KISS, Deep Water) joins us this week for a wide ranging and surprisingly tender conversation about the mother who shaped him, the bandmate he wishes he had saved, and the work ethic that still has him producing films at 77. Gene opens up about his Hungarian mother surviving the concentration camps, the moment he tasted jam for the first time in America, and why he believes the race only speeds up as you near the finish line. We also get into the painful truth about Ace Frehley, the intervention that should have happened decades ago, his new film Deep Water with Ben Kingsley and Aaron Eckhart, and the night in Belize at 62 when he dropped to his knees and finally came clean to Shannon. Thank you to our sponsors: x __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: ⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou⁠⁠ 👕 Inside Of You Merch: ⁠⁠https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/⁠⁠ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 ⁠⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show⁠⁠ __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: ⁠⁠https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠⁠ 🤣 TikTok: ⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast⁠⁠ 📘 Facebook: ⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠⁠ 🐦 Twitter: ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod⁠⁠ 🌐 Website: ⁠⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. You know, it's been 14 days, Ryan, since I had neck surgery. They cut me open through here, cut me open through the back, took bone graft out of my hip. It's been a hell of a journey. And I'm only two weeks in. So, you know, if I look pale, if I look shitty, you know, what can you do? But it's a lot, dude. It's a lot going through these surgeries, man.

It takes so much out of you. I mean, it's just everything seems like it's too much. You know, like today we're going to do these intros. I'm like, oh, my God. Because you don't really feel like yourself, that's for sure. But I appreciate everybody's love and warm, welcoming, you know, texts and messages. And I appreciate it. It really helps knowing that there's people out there that want me to get better.

And I want to get better. So it's slow, slowly, but surely. What can I tell you? Thank you for joining us today. Thank you for making this podcast, your podcast. If you want to join Patreon and be a patron on the podcast, we would love your help. Patron.com slash inside of you. I'll message you after I see that you've joined and give something back to the show. If you're enjoying it, why not? Why don't you help the show? We try to help each other, help people. One of my friends text me, Eric Porn. That's his last name. name, porn. POR. Yeah, he's a great makeup artist. Nice. And he says, I just want to tell you, you don't know how much your show helps me in my mental

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He says he listens to every episode. So we'll see if he listens to this one. You're going to say something. No, it's something else because I just noticed something in this room that I hadn't noticed before. What were you noticing? On the bottom of this Sean of the Dead poster, it says, they're coming to get you, Barbara. Do you get it?

I don't remember the reference. I haven't seen it. The references from Night of the Living Dead, the original what he says, they're coming to get you, Barbara. I'd never seen it on this poster. It's there. Dude, classic, classic. And I hope you like the new setup here for the podcast. This is what it's going to look like.

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You love them, you hate him. It's Gene Simmons. And, you know, I was doing a show years ago. You know, you're going to hear the story in the interview. So I'll just save it. But I was working with his wife on this show that no one ever watched. But he was always very nice to me. And Shannon was great to me.

And he's got a good sense of humor, a dark sense of humor. But he's promoting his movie Deepwater. And I got to tell you, I love this movie. You'll hear me talk about it, but I really enjoyed this movie. So, I mean, I saw the trailer. I saw the trailer and I saw actually being cut together, I am. And it looked, it's just a fun movie. So this is a very interesting.

I think we got, I think I got a little inside of Gene. Now, there were moments where I felt like he was a little emotional and he's like, you know, you know, tough guy syndrome. You know, I don't, you know, I don't get sad. You get depressed? No. You get anxiety? No. I was like, God, what are you?

A robot? But he does. There's a soft side to him. And I think you'll see it today. And I hope you like the interview. And come back and see us. If you enjoyed this, subscribe, write a review, all that stuff.

Let's get inside of Gene Simmons. Where you get nervous for a role. Oh, my God. I get panicked. Do you get anxiety? Yeah, I live with anxiety. What are you doing? I was just taking a live picture.

I always get nervous, but that's fun. I look forward to it. Let's get everything out of today we can. And how much time do you have left? And how are you going to use it well? So come on now. We would have to do another inside of you. But actually, that's kind of what you're doing, Michael.

I mean, you're on this road, this journey of what's inside of you. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. I was saying when you walked in, I was surprised by how good you look, because I haven't seen you since Shannon and I, your wife, did the... Should I be worried? Yes, you should be worried. But Shannon, your wife and I did a show called The Tom Arnold Show, and it was not a great show.

It didn't do well. But you guys were always so kind. It was my first gig. I was so nervous. And you took me to the Playboy Mansion. You took me to a Kiss concert. You're not supposed to say what happened over the game. Gene, you took me at the Playboy.

See, if you put the pregnant pause, it means something else. Gene, you took me at the Playboy Mansion. Instead of, you brought me there. Aye, aye, aye. Where do you get your sense of humor from? Honestly. I'm lonely. But honestly, was it your mom, your dad?

No. My mother's in all seriousness, a survivor of Nazi Germany's concentration camps. No. And my father, sadly, like many fathers, walked out on us when I was about I didn't even say walked out on me see it still stings right when I was about oh six maybe seven a single mother the highest life form on the planet as far as I'm concerned mothers the rest of us just work here but mothers actually give birth how close were you with your mother honestly oh my God

there's I'll tell you the story When I was a child of four, no, there's a, we did an interview for People magazine before you were born. How old were you, 12? 53. He didn't let the joke simmer. Should have let it another pause, a little pregnant pause. How old are you, 12? He paused, and then you'd see then the joke hits, right?

Ryan. So he interviewed the band for a cover story back 1980 or something like. that. And part and parcel of the interview were, who are these guys? Who are these masked men? And what kinds of mothers did they have? So he went and interviewed all the mothers. And then he drove out to Long Island with me. And waiting at the doorway, he had to go up steps and everything of this nice house. Is my mother, like the sailors coming back from overseas with their hands up in the, whoopee, I won the lottery, it's my son. You know, I'm the only child.

And he's, you know, taken aback. Usually, oh, hi, son, come on in. It's none of that. That stuff. And my mother's very peculiar. It's funny, I just said present tense. And very eccentric in a way that people wouldn't understand, but lovable. So on the way in, hello.

You know, she's got the thick Hungarian accent. I'm Hungarian too. Bessels Maduroroo? I don't know that. Oh, no. I just said you're really good-looking. Oh, thank you. I'm fluent in Hungarian and some other languages as well.

And so the guy comes in, a nice guy, by the way. He didn't like you, though. And we come in and there are balloons and streamers all over as you enter, you know, the living room. and in broken English, phonetic English, happy birthday, my son, you know, S-U-N, and birthday you could barely understand. And it's got balloons and everything. She's got heels on and dress and, you know,

like one of those 50s dresses. Yeah. Hair, make up every, like you're going to, you know, ball. And he, this is the opening conversations with my mother and I was right there and he says, hello, how are you? I'm wonderful, you know, like you just won the lottery. Wow. And he's looking up, says, oh, I see it says, happy birthday, my son, to your son. She goes, of course. And he says, oh, I didn't know today it was his birthday. When was your son born? August 25. He goes, but it's October the soul, so.

She goes, yes. He goes, today is his birthday? Of course. But it's not August 25. Yes. But he wasn't born today. But it's his birthday. What do you mean?

It's his birthday. She goes, every day is my son's birthday. Oh, man. Yeah. He was just so fascinated by that. That's love. He wrote a book and interviewed Streisand's mother and Spielberg's mother, you know, the Jewish Mother's Hall of Fame.

And it's dedicated to my mother, the most peculiar, eccentric, and lovable mom you'd ever want to meet. Wow. Yeah. You can look it up. You still think about her every day, don't you? All the time. I'm surrounded by photos of my mom and everything. I remember she was not an educated woman in the classic sense,

but my mother was and continues to be the wisest human being I've ever been around, just understanding the nature of every day above ground is a good day. Yeah. I remember when we first came to America, just my mother and our uncle Joe saved enough money to bring us here. And my mother would let me stay up at night, because I was fascinated by television.

You know, you are very knowledgeable. You are obviously a good student. Yeah, I was always a good. I didn't want to break my mother's heart. So I wanted to tell you quickly, we're watching TV, and I'm maybe eight, maybe eight and a half. Actually, I was eight before I was nine. Probably, yes.

See what I just did. Yes. Ryan's with you. See, this is a joke. I think this guy's going to be popular in jail. I don't know about you. Ryan, he wouldn't do well. You're not related to Seacrest, are you?

You got the same name. So, and we're watching, and at night, when I was a kid, it was black and white, and TV screen was like this. It was nothing. And you had three channels in New York, 1958. And she wouldn't let me stay up a lot. But every once in a while, I'm saying, you know, 11, 130, but by midnight or, you know, 1130, all television went off the air, and you'd start to, you'd hear that black and white fuzz.

But before that happened, they'd be a jet that would be flying in a deep voice. You remember that? I remember that. You know, very... Like from Poltergeist. Remember in Poultergeist? Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And the voice, and then the plane, the jet turns upwards and starts to go into the clouds. and I flew into the, and touched the face of God. And I went, you know, as a kid, I didn't know what that. And then the flak comes up, which is completely covers the screen in black and white. And because I wasn't nine years old yet, I talked a lot. You know, my mother would shush me, put her hand, you know, and just shush me. And I'll never forget it. Anytime she saw the flag, she would cry.

Real deep, you know, real deep. Wow. Because from my mother's standpoint, not too many years in her past, she was in a concentration camp in Nazi Germany and saw all my grandparents. I never met anybody other than no past. her brother, everybody, her mother, her grandmother, walk into the gas chamber. And by the way, they were led to believe that they were going to take showers. So they had to take all their clothes off.

That's after the Germans pulled out their teeth. You don't want to get into that. But when she saw that flag. She was the most patriotic person who wasn't born in America I've ever seen. She would hear news. We lived through the Vietnam era. And, of course, there were demonstrations. And she would just, and Hungarian curse out.

You know, the kids would close the schools down because she loved America so much. Of course, Hungarian curses are very strange. That means, oh, that's the pain of the dog. Osta Christuslovak And I'm going On you Meet months

You know like mom What are you saying Astakutia fayat Osta Christuslova You know she'd like make exclamations Oh that must be Christ's horse Over there That's what there

Astha onadish then it That may be your mother's god I mean it was like poetic Yeah Hardly sounded like how is the orchestra? Mom, the band's fine. You know, she's just, I remember I was naturalized through my mother, which means after we were legal immigrants,

and after five years or so, I was able to become a citizen through my mother, through my mother, sort of grandfathered in. And when my mother was taking her test, the judge was there, and he's asking a few questions, hello, you know, Mrs. So-and-so, and can you ask a couple? Of course. He thought he was in charge.

I don't think so. And he goes, you know, there's the body of, you know, there's the Senate, and then there's another body of law. The House of Representatives. Okay, that's close enough. And together they make up what body of law? The congregation. Okay, that's fine.

Good. And who is your friend? first president. She goes, Kennedy. He goes, no. Listen to what I'm asking you. Who's your first, our, your first president. She goes, Kennedy. He goes, no, Kennedy was not the first president. Washington was the first president. And she said, Washington was your first president. Kennedy was my first president. That's very smart. She forgot to act bitch. You know, she should have said I love that. Inside of You is brought to you by NordVPN.

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the link is in the podcast episode description box let me ask you this obviously you know the older we get we lose more and more people and i've lost a lot of people and i know you've lost a lot of people and who's been the hardest still mom my mother yeah yeah and uh when we knew when i got the sense from the doctors and everything that we don't know if it's going to be a day week a month or whatever I dropped everything and flew to my mother's bedside and we got her you know all the hospital beds and everything in a 24-hour nurse I was there every day so was Shannon by the way and when it started to feel like she was losing strength although no pain I held my mother's hand and we started singing songs she sang

to me when I was a little putz in Hungarian. I was a little knucklehead, barely out of diapers. And she would, even, I mean, I was a big child. So she would hold me, barely able to hold me and just kind of rock me in a new country, Haifa that had no infrastructure. There were no paved roads or anything. It was just dirt. And you got your newspaper page, and you go to the food bank, and they'd give you a slab of butter, some meat.

That would last you the week. No such thing as supermarkets or anything. And the meaning of Vonneke-emezelat Osta Chiloghom is basically the stars in the sky. If I could reach up and grab one, I'd bring it down. for you, my child, you know, something like that. You still get emotional from that. Oh, God, damn. I could still feel like it's such an amazing, I love my mother, but I'm, you know.

What's your name? Her name's, uh, Nona. She's still here. She's still here. No, no, no, yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember. No one of them. Oh, yeah, no.

Uncle Jean says hello, mom. But, you know, I love my mother, but like, I see a sense of deep, deep admiration in love with your mother. It's obvious, you know. Well, what she's been through is, you know, in military terms, we call it the great generation. The survivors of concentration camps, I don't care what religion you're, when you come to America, they are the most patriotic foreigners in America, the people who just don't take anything for granted in America. And I'm kind of like that.

Let me ask you this. You just lost Ace, Ace freely, not that long ago. Were you guys, did you talk before he passed? Did you have any good conversations with him? It's been up and down for 50 years with Ace. And the fans often would hate me for telling the truth. When the kids are at home and there's mom and dad and all of a sudden dad gets thrown out of the house, the kids don't understand, you know, they love mom and dad,

why mom kicked dad out of the house and she tries to explain them. He was a drunk. He was a loser. He was late. Didn't show up on time. You know, didn't do what he was supposed to do. It was barely around the kids.

But he's your father. And they, fans are like kids. They don't know. And if you would have met Ace at the beginning, God bless him. You would have fallen in love with the idea, you know, who he is and all that. And then Machiavelli, you know, to have powers to abuse it.

It affects all of us in different ways, me too. Yeah. But Ace turned to beverages and chemicals. And early on, he wouldn't show up. And it severed your relationship for many years. Not entirely. I mean, he wouldn't show up to do his guitar parts on even destroyer. early on. And the fans don't like to hear this because he's so talented and he's everybody,

all the new guitar players were influenced by him and all that. Yeah, but when you're together in a band, you're together more time than your family members or your wife or kids. So he'd be late and all this stuff. And Peter, we love him. God bless, he's still around. But really from the early day. As soon as the money and the fame came in, it was like the dark cloud came over. And he was, they were both in and out of the band three separate times. And the fans just couldn't understand it. Yeah. Because they don't know, they don't see hands on what's going on every day. Well, we're doing the Eurovision contest and where the headliners, people in America don't know what that is, but 600 million people at that time, now a billion people tune into the Eurovision where all the

countries in the world basically send their representatives and it's music based. It's one of the few times such a large audience in the early days would tune in. Ace didn't show up. We had to do it as a trio. It just went on and on and on. And you build resentment. Yeah. And had we not been as popular, we would have asked Ace to leave.

But strangely, the first time Ace left, he turned to us. And he's sad and said, I can't, this is a quote. He said it to me two times, twice. I'm leaving the band. I'm going to have a solo career. And we tried to talk to him. I know I did in front of the manager and everybody else. Stay in the band, have your solo career, have your cake, and eat it too.

We don't want anything from you. If you're not happy, do other stuff, but don't pick up the band. That's lunacy. Yeah. And he just never made smart decisions. So he said on the way out, you just watch, I'm going to sell 10 million copies of my solo record. That's a quote. And he said, no, don't do that.

Don't. Just stay in the band. And he said, more than once, if I don't leave the band, and if I do another tour, I'm going to kill myself. Wow. So whatever was going on. Yeah, some dark shit going on. Breaks your heart. A happy note.

And you know, you look at his body of work and guitar players from. Eddie Van Halen to who's the kid from Metallica? God, I just knew forgot it. Yeah. Guitar, they point to Ace or Tom Morello and everything. Yeah, I cut my teeth on guitar

by listening to Ace, of course. And he was so proud and so happy to hear from the White House, not from the president, that Kiss had won the Kennedy Center Awards thing.

And he so much looked forward to it. You know, as a kind of a street kid joins a band and goes to the highest level of American, I don't know, awards and just didn't make it. Yeah. What would you say to him? Like, if you could say something to him. I should have and could have, but I should have a long time. When you see the disease starting to get a hold of him, I should have decades. ago took took him aside it's called an intervention yeah and forced him to understand he's not just

hurting himself by his lifestyle choices but his family his child and the fans yeah it's a stupid and shameful decision on all our parts i know mine too is no you don't want to get the fans upset let's make believe he's in the band and everything's okay at home yeah and it's tough it's really tough. And the fan right now, the fans who are going to listen to this, they're going to, that prick, Gene. He never says anything. Well, you're just saying what you feel.

Yeah, but the kids at home don't understand that. They never met and spent time with Ace. When he's straight, lovable, everything's great early on. And when the stuff started to take hold,

it was Jekyll and Hyde. Yeah, it just wasn't fun anymore. It just can't make smart decisions when you're drunk or high. Well, you still obviously, I see how you care about him and how much you loved him. Look, over the years, whether it was up or down, he'd call and ask for my favorite, you know, a favorite, can you come up and write some songs with me? At the height of me telling him, you're a moron. You're making horrible life decisions and stuff.

But he calls him, I'm doing a new record. You want to write some, sure, I got my car, drove out to the desert where he was saying, and we wrote two new songs. I had your wishes my command and something like. And you enjoyed it. Sure. Because Ace was focused. He cared and was committed to him, which is understandable.

We all love our stuff. Yeah. But when it came to being around other guys and when it came to guitar, nobody touched him. But when it came to songwriting, unfortunately, there were other guys. Paul and myself that wrote most of the stuff. Hey guys, it's Rosenbaum.

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so just come and hang out with us. Patreon.com slash inside of you. Music Talking about proto-sorial work and the amount of things that you were very creative, obviously. You come up with merchandise. You came up with the show with your family. You know, all these things that you're just constantly thinking. I'm glad you brought that up because you see.

Deep water. How did that poster get there? Look at that. I brought it to you. Let me tell you guys something before Gene, before Gene you say something about it. I saw some of the editing of this movie and I walked in on it. And it was like 15, 20 minutes of just intensity. And I was like, what in the hell is this?

This looks exactly, this is exactly what I want to watch. It is so fun. Talk about unbelievable plane crash and sharks in the ocean and like everything, Renning Harland and you produce this. How did you get? First of all, synopsis, a flight from Los Angeles to Shanghai goes down in the middle of the Pacific. I'll do my voiceover. After surviving the crash, the survivors soon discover.

They're not alone, and they must survive the shark-infested waters from director Rennie Harlan, deep water in theaters, made first. Starring Ben Kingsley. Sir Ben Kingsley and Aaron Eckhart. And they hit it out of the park. They're just amazing. And a lot of really good actors and some great Chinese actor. actor and actresses. Yeah.

And I have to say, Rennie Harlan did such a great job on this. It was shot in New Zealand and some special effects in Spain, like an international movie in that sense. And I got to tell you, it debuts March 1st in 2,500. It looks like it's going to be 2,700 theaters

in America and Canada. May 1st, no? What did I say? May 1st? I think you said March. Oh, I'm so sorry. It's May. Wait until you get to be my age.

Yes. You'll understand. May, yes. May 1st. That's in a few weeks. It's right around the corner. Yeah. And the debut, the premieres at the Paramount Lot on January, April 27th, just a few days before that.

Now, the Chinese have stepped up and said that they love the movie so much that they gave their only begotten son. No, that's another story. That was another joke. No, that it looks like we're closing in on 18,000 Chinese movie theaters just in China. Oh, my gosh. This is a big movie. You should do yourself a favor. Go on Yahoo, Yahoo, Shmohu, Google, press a lot of buttons.

I fucking, I hate those buttons. And put in. Deep water. Deep water. Sir Ben. Kingsley. How did you decide you want to produce this? There's a guy named Gary Hamilton, who's got a foreign sales company and Arklight. And they've done some very good work. Mumbai Hotel with Death Hotel. That's a really good film. And some other things. And he wanted

to do more production work. So he approached me a few years ago. I co-produced a few films, Detroit Rock City at New Orleans, which did okay. Yeah, it's great. And I created my dad the rock star, which was a cartoon show on Nickelodeon and Mr. Romance that was on oxygen, like all those beefcake guys on romance novels, Fabio and all those. Yeah. What are they really like? Because all you see, you're big muscles and, you know, they play with it a little bit,

so it looks bigger in the photo. Ryan, you're there. Ryan's there. So that's what Mr. Romance was, you know, kind of big brother. filled with beefy guys like what do they argue about but you love producing i like everything i've written uh but it says produced by jean simmons yeah i mean this you're at the top of the producing ladder here there are other producers yes my next door neighbors are producer my business manager

or your or your girlfriend who you got to give her something otherwise she won't pay yeah but uh i had Simmons books. We brought out books that I wrote and Simmons Comics. I created zipper dominatrix, which I'm working on as a film. I own all those trademarks. Gene Simmons's House of Horrors, which is being developed into a television. You don't slow down. You don't slow down. Well, answer me this. Go ahead. Life is a journey or a race, whatever you want to call it. So you're closer to the end than you were at the beginning. Absolutely. Okay. and I'm going to be 77. Wow.

And I'm closer to the end of the line than I was when I was one or two or so on. And I don't know about you, but when you run a race, don't you speed up before the finish line or do you slow down? Speed up? Yeah, there are up. And that's a winner. Unfortunately, there are people, I'm retired. Well, what do you do every day?

I don't know. I just sit around, sit on my thumb and watch another season of I Love Lucy. Nice throwback. You got to keep, you got to keep the. heart pumping and just use it or lose it. Does your wife, does Shannon ever say, Jean, can't you just relax? How many times have you heard that?

Every day. And you don't listen. What we can do is work. That's all we do. That's all we do. We are the horse that pulls the cart with the fruit and everything. Somebody else grows it and works it. That's called mom.

Some people might not like that, what you said. It's been around since we were Australopithecines on the plane. of Africa, Australopithecus Africanus, which became Australopithecus aferensis, which was discovered in what was then known as the Olduvai Gorge in Tanganyika by L.S. L. Sleek, don't get me started. Jesus. Ever since, no, he was Jewish. Let me ask you this. Have you ever been to therapy? No.

Not once in your life. Did you ever, did Shannon ever say, let's go to therapy? No. Never once. Never been depressed. Never had anxiety. No. Nothing. Well, here's an example. I'm turning 77 pretty soon.

So if you can hold your hand in front of your face like this and it's not doing that, that's pretty good. That's an indication whether you get stress or this. So I've never been high. I've never been drunk. Never smoke cigarettes. But everybody around me has. But they're pretty fucking pathetic. What? They have headaches. They can't sleep at night. Everybody's doing, you know, doing that thing where your bones crack. I've never had a massage.

Never. You have never had a massage. No. Why? Massages are great. There's no substitute for genetics. Some people get headaches or your muscles ache and the thing. By the way, my partner, Paul, who's in the band, in private life, who is the best partner you'd ever have better looking, smarter, and all that stuff, has had two. shoulder, what is it called?

Rotter cuff? And both his... Knees? No. Hips? Hips, thank you. Yep. English is not my first language.

You can speak seven languages, but you can come up with hips. No, it's not seven. And so he's had all of them removed. And I've never had an operation. I don't... Of course, I get kidney stones every once in a while. That's painful, isn't it? Well, they put me out, and they put a tube up your schmekel.

Hey, let me ask you, what do you remember about being a kid that's still drives you today because this had to happen from a young young age this drive by watching my mother who we didn't have there was no father at home and all i remember is at the crack of dawn until seven or eight at night six days a week my mother would go out there and earn a living in coffee shops and this cleaning houses whatever i had you done so you feel guilty when you're not doing anything when you're not no i feel i'm wasting life because if you believe you believe believe, you know, we take a lot of things for granted because you get life insurance and Social Security and Medicare, you know, all these words.

That's not how life works. It's like kids who are used to getting an allowance every week for doing nothing. Our kids never got allowances. So, you know, there's this idea that the people who really appreciate life, came closest to death. Americans who were born here and been here for generations, you have no idea what life is like for the rest of the people on the planet. My favorite thing to this day is jam.

I remember coming here with my mother, and we visited my Aunt Magda, who was the wife of my mother's brother, Loyosh, Larry. And Aunt Magda also survived the concentration camps. And I remember we're barely here two or three weeks, and my mother puts me in a car. Must have been a taxi cab or something.

And, you know, I'm fascinated because everywhere I go, there are paved roads, buildings, everybody's in different cars going everywhere. And then when we got out of the car and flushing. The core, Queens. I noticed everybody was big. It was nobody thin, for lack of food. Everybody was big and nice clothes and everything.

and the houses were huge compared to what I heard and they were probably two, three, three bedroom houses and we go into Aunt Magda's house with Larry, her brother, and we go into the kitchen. And for me, we lived in a one bedroom and over there was a stove or something. And in the corner, it was a, actually outside was the bathroom. Oh. Yeah, there was no toilet paper, used rags. So you came from nothing.

Nothing. thing. But I want to tell you what, so we go over to this white cabinet of some kind that's like four or five feet high. And I've never seen that thing and why is it white? And my aunt Magda noticed me and she goes, you know, she spoke Hungarian. Do you want to take a look at that? He goes, again, that means yes in Hungarian. She opens it up and food, chicken and jam and mayonnaise like all this. She had her own store in her house. And I was attracted to the, and I'm looking at my mother, and my mother's, you know, just shaking her head.

And I pointed to the jar of jam. Must have been schmuckers, because they've been here a million years. Smokers. Yeah. Well, the name like that, it's got to be good. So I took it off. And she opened the jar and Magda. And she gave me a spoon.

And she said in Hungarian, and taste it because she had the sense I never had jam. And I thought she meant you can eat it. So I put the first bite, I still remember that. I took the first bite of that.

It was like having crack. I'm going, whoa, what is that? Right. And I started like feverish, like when dogs go to feed. Yeah, I didn't believe it. And finished it. And my Aunt Magda was crying,

crying, laughing. And my mother, joined her and I didn't understand what, you know, they were laughing and with tears coming down. I never tasted anything like that. And then we sat down. You notice my hand is still not shaking. You notice that? I did. Yeah. That's good. So we sat down and she turned on her big television in a large six foot cabinet that had booze on one side and glasses and everything. It was massive, like a huge coffin. You'd never seen anything like this. No, I'd never heard of television or anything. Right. And she turned.

it on and there's a in black and white there's a guy flying through the air with a cape outside of a plane and I didn't understand I just when I first saw my first television said it was my uncle George's house and we walked in must have been early evening and they had one of those cabinets and in black and white the close up of a guy talking I didn't understand English I thought there was a guy in the box looking out and talking Wow. Yeah, and then the camera had a wider thing. And then I went, what is this thing?

When you created Kiss, was it about the music? That's not fair. What? I'm one of four knuckleheads that got together with no experience, no resume, no nothing. And it's like kids playing in a mud thing or some kids taking a bath, shitting in it, and taking their poop and just starting to do stuff. There was no expertise. We didn't know what we were doing. Science calls it a singularity.

It just happened. We didn't have a manager. There was nothing. We put the makeup on ourselves. There was just this sense like... Did you think that was the real look, the real hook of Kiss? Like, did you think that's going to make you different? There was that thought of, we've got some tunes we think are pretty good.

But if we come out, we're just going to be, I don't know, the Doobie brothers or somebody like a band that looks like another band that looks like another band. Right, right. We were aware of that visually, because I was so disappointed by going to see, I loved the loving spoonful and the zombies and stuff, but if you close your eyes,

you still get the same experience. Right. So in the early days, you saw the Who come out and smash guitars and there were bombs, and Hendricks would mount his guitar. Set it on fire. Yeah.

Yeah. So stagecraft. Yeah. Before, yeah, that's a thing. They don't teach it. People don't talk about it, but you know it when you see it. Little Richard just putting his foot on the piano and just jump, or jumping on the piano and just jumping up and down and joy it.

Yeah. That's the stuff that connected with us. So we decided to put together the band we never saw on stage. Genius. We didn't know what that meant. So you're free to kind of do it. Let's go down to Woolworth's and buy some mirrors and makeup. I don't know who said it.

Yeah, let's go do that. So we went and bought Clown White. It actually said Clown White, what clowns put on their faces. And some black stuff, which I guess clowns used to fill in the areas that weren't used. And Paul bought some lipstick because he wanted to make sure he had red lips. that was hey we didn't know yeah and we set up some mirrors in a rat infested loft where we rehearsed we had the songs first and then started to put makeup on and kept looking at each other like wow that's kind of cool and it just happened and that first attempt at makeup is pretty damn close to what

really you guys were that good with the makeup it wasn't good it's only good if it works and it worked A lot of art films are really good, but nobody cares. Like water for chocolate. The fuck does that title mean? You knew exactly what you were getting when you were listening to Kiss. Yeah, because imagine Kiss comes out, me sticking my tongue out of, you know, if the floor is clean. Right. It bears noting.

And Paul doing all the, you know, stuff with the- And the Boots. And the Adrogynous stuff and the Dragon Moots and singing, I love. you. What the fuck does that? It had to all connect. Right.

The music and the look and the something or other, which is why movies are such a magical medium. Because if you're, if you see, I don't know, Freddie Kruger slashing open somebody's stomach and you hear, La-de-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Yeah, it's not going to work. For some, but for the masses, you know, it would be jar.

Yeah. Or a guy's about to, like a notebook, I love you. But, um, bum, bum, bum. Bum, bum, bumb, bha. I love it. The music, the visuals, it all has to work. Yeah.

At what point did you realize KISS wasn't just a band? It was a business empire. When did that happen? It happened very quickly because at the outset, when we were opening for bands, we'd get kicked off tours by everybody, Argent and Manfred Mann. We played with anybody. Anybody would take us. But we started headlining our own shows.

and multiple nights, before we even had a gold record, we didn't have singles or anything. It just people wanted to come see it. You got to see this band. You know, that what the Germans called Zeitgeist, you know, the water in the pool of a car. That's the most convincing review.

Print media mattered less and less every year because nobody read newspapers and who cares what somebody says. You do care if you go to see a movie and you tell your best friend or everybody, hey, you got to go see this movie. Like what you just did? That's much more convincing us,

you wanted the best, you got the best. You said a lot of things people consider blunt or controversial. Did you ever or have you ever regretted anything you said publicly? No. Nothing. Not in America. You do have the Second Amendment. And once I started to hear blowback,

I decided to create my own hashtag, which everybody and anybody in any walk of life or death, don't care, can use for free. Please use it sparingly or hand it out to everybody. It's hashtag go fuck yourself. You made that up? Yeah. Hashtag go fuck yourself.

Yeah. I don't mind that. Your opinion doesn't matter. I can't live my life, at least in America, by tugging at your shirt sleeves and finding out, do you mind if I do this? Hashtag free card. Go fuck yourself. Just lead your life.

When you're running a race, run it as fast and as good, do the best you can. Don't keep looking over your shoulder or into the peanut gallery to see what people think about it. You'll never go anywhere. If you take a look at the captains of industry and the unique minds and everything, what didn't kill them made them stronger. and who, you know, you wouldn't get these huge, amazing personas in life who kept, you know, they were connected to their mother's teeth their whole life. And that's not the way it goes. Even birds take their little, you know, birdlings, throw them out of the little nest.

Go live. Yeah. Survive. Sink or swim. Yeah. This is called shit talking with jean-simmons, patron.com slash society. By the way, can know where shit comes from? Your butt.

Well, depending on how, depending on how you perceive yourself. All right, so shit talking, this is rapid fire. So it's got to be bam, bam. You ready for it? Nico P. What's a piece of advice you've received that stood the test of time? Every day above ground is a good day. Beautiful.

That's for my mom in Hungarian. Say it in Hungarian. Oh, my goodness. My Hungarian is failing. No, don't you. Wow. I'm sure it's right. Don G., what is the weirdest cameo you've ever been asked to do?

One was never too young to die with John Stamos and what the hell was her name? She was one of Princess Chicks. I'll think of her in a second. And I played her hermaphrodite. And I had to, I played two roles like a secret agent kind of a guy. And this guy that came out, you know, big. hair and they used to, I don't know how women do it. I have a hairy chest. So they stuck on the same, don't worry, just breathe in. And as they go, I tore the hair off my chest. And then put boobs

on me and I'm dressed like a slut. You know what I mean. I do. I've played one before. And every time I'd get on the set, the truck drivers are, hey, Gene, how you doing? You want to see all this stuff at the set? Ragnar was the guy's name. And I'd come out and kind of, kind of, sweet talk to a song called, It takes a man like me to be a woman like me. So you don't mind looking like, like I don't care looking like an asshole sometimes. You don't, you don't, you're fun.

Well, look what I do for a living. Yeah, you don't give a shit. Little Lisa, in your own words, what does self-worth mean? Everything. It's your self-esteem. You could be poor. I mean, money is a,

is a way to value the work you do, but it's not self-worth. I'm kind of well off, but my self-worth has to do with morals and ethics. And the people who've done well in life, who don't have a satisfactory morals and ethics, which means the masses, the reason why so many hundreds and hundreds of millions maybe billions of people use drugs and alcohol and drinking and stuff. They don't really like themselves. Why would you know?

Here, sit down. I'm just going to inject you. You're going to slowly pass out and lose feeling and everything. Fuck, I don't want that. Just give me a bottle of booze. Well, what's the difference? You'll wake up the next day. You won't remember what happened.

You'll have a headache. And as you were getting drunk, you probably threw up the new shoes your chick just bought. Pierre C, what advice would you give your younger self? Do exactly the same thing, Jew boy. What does Nick and Sophie and Shannon mean to you? Oh, everything. When I was both Nick and Sophie are so much better human beings than Shannon or I will ever be. When they were growing up, they never got an allowance.

And we used to have a potty bowl, a see-through bowl. and when everybody had potty mouth, you'd say fuck or shit or something like that, you'd have to put in a 10 or a 20 or a 5. Yeah, depending on how bad the words were. So it was no nonsense stuff. One or two of Nick's friends are dead. They grew up together.

You know, they turned bad. And I remember when Sophie was, oh, she might have been 12 or 13, we dropped her off at a party of her school things. And by 9.30, she called mom i was at home mom can you come pick me up i don't like this part you know the kids started to secretly start drinking and yeah there's no fool around here so she doesn't drink no nobody does wow was was were they easy to raise were you the disciplinarian or was shannon

you know it's interesting uh the word yes and the word no meant something there was no rolling of the eyes you know, that kids do and no slamming the door. No, you're out on the street, you know, wiping the poop off the dogs and you're taking out the garbage and stuff. That's what. Roll your eyes out there. I'm going to slam the door in my room. No, it's not your room.

The food you eat is my food. The air you breathe is my air. While you're here, you don't like it. Go out and leave. Our daughter, Sophie, is an alpha female at two and a half years of age. She can't remember why. and we don't know what happened. One day she turned around and grimaced like the devil child,

and she said, I'm leaving. So she got a broom handle without the broom. In the end, just the thing. And just like in cartoons, tied, you know, a big handkerchief with, I don't know what in it, corn flakes or something, and started to walk down the gate to the, the gate. And by the time she got to the gate, she looked around and changed her mind and came back up.

She was, she remembers the episode, but you had no idea what was so important to her. Oh, my God. No, they've never used drugs, alcohol, never been drunk or gotten high or anything, or smoked cigarettes. Nope, because I made a deal with them. The deal is pretty simple. You and your children, and for a few generations, you won't have to worry you're going to have a safety net they have their own homes no mortgage no nothing modern homes and they live next door to each other i bought that you're not getting away from us just over the hill they're not they used to live up your hill over here and then i bought them a brand new never lived in homes overlooking the hollywood sign they both have great cars but what's the deal

the deal is if i ever find out you passed out in a thing or i'm Sunset Boulevard and everything, you're done. You're not in the will. You're nothing. You're going to have to do what most of the people on the planet do work. You'll wash dishes. You'll sweep floors. You will do whatever needs to be done and never come to me and ask for a penny. Wow. It's a fair trade. Your mother gave you life. And now it's what you do with it. That's going to make you eligible for what you debt. from what your dad brings to the table, which is money and stuff and things that will make your life easy. Or if you decide to look at gift horse in the mouth, go out and be a garbage collector, see what real work is like. Because they, I admire the garbage collectors, sanitation man,

I beg your pardon, much more than I admire lots of people that sit in cubicles and do nothing. because if that guy in the cubicle loses his job, life on earth isn't affected. If your sanitation man doesn't pick up your garbage, you're fucked. Yes. You think you would have been as successful

if you were like a really nice guy? At anything. No, if you were a real nice guy. Do you think you're a nice guy? No. You don't think you're a nice guy? No. Not at all.

In what capacity? At work or at war? To people. Are you kind to people? What kind of people? People who come up to you and ask for autographs? Oh, sure. Of course. I'll stop everything. How long have you been with Shannon?

That is a complex question. I'll give you ABCs. Yeah, sure. Well, I met you in 98, so that's 28 years. You said you wouldn't tell. I'm going to say 37. 41. 41 years of Shannon. Full disclosure before the fact and all that. For the first 29 years, we were together. We were not married. She gave me two kids. Should I use French words? I fucked anything that moves all the time, anywhere, everywhere.

And it was not really all that hidden because the pomperancey would grab me with bimbos, with double Ds, and all that stuff. Yeah. And there was a shrink. We sat there just for an opinion. We never went one. And she said, no, men compartmentalize. And the fuck does that mean?

That means men could be loving fathers and responsible and not use drugs and all that stuff, never raise their hands to their kids or anything else, and still go off in the corner and fuck around, you know, Kennedy or name everyone. Even Jesus hung out with a prostitute. And so there's this male thing, she says, that may not be justified, but they believe that what I do over there in another room that doesn't affect my family, doesn't count. That's for me. Which if you grow up, if you mature, because men don't mature until much, much later,

you call it for what it is. It's bullshit. Because as soon as your kids and the mother of your kids, whether you're married or not, find out they are hurt. And therein lies the bullshit factor of how you're trying to validate. I'm just using drugs over there. Yeah. It doesn't affect what I do. No, no, that's bullshit because you're hurting the people you love.

So I remember when I was 62, not too long ago, I'll be 77. We were in Belize shooting some stuff for a reality show, Gene Seventh's Family Jules. And I dropped to my knees. And I'm not a crybaby. I don't get emotional at stuff. When I go to see the notebook, I didn't cry. I'm saying, please get me out of here. here before I commit suicide for the movie The Notebook.

And I remember it wasn't even tears. It was hyperventilated, you know, that thing. Was she expecting this? No. Okay. And I asked. Neither were you, are you? No.

Okay. There was this realization that soon, Simmons, pretty soon, tomorrow, next year, 10 years, whenever it is, you're going to be taking your last breath. either accidentally or that's the length of your life. And do you want to die alone? Because the only people that care about you are your children and your girl, you know, the mother of your children. Who else? I mean, the people that might show up will be starfuckers.

Oh, yeah, man, I love your first album, but that's not family. Right. So I had to come to terms with my own shortcomings, as they say. big time. And so for something like 40 or more years, Kiss was around 50 plus odd years, the girls that I'd meet on the road,

I'd take, if you were like a tourist, if you've been there, you'd take a photo of it. I had tons of photo, thousands. Oh, yeah, I know. So on the show, coming clean, and Shannon was, you know, devastated for weeks and she never called me to task. She never said, you got to change or I'm out of here. Never. And, you know, I guess it's like addicts. You can go to rehab, shmahab, and no matter how many times,

until you're ready to make the change from the inside, nothing's going to happen. You're just going to continue to do the stuff, I'm told. So we had a public photo burning. We had a big fire. Yep, yep. Of all the pictures. And we took the finish and just threw them into the fire. So when you got down on your knees, you asked her to marry you.

I did. How did she respond? I mean, was she emotional? Pretty cold at first. Didn't respond. And later on, I started to have it. Well, what is it about marriage that I didn't want to get married? And maybe I'm not a shrink.

maybe I didn't want to turn into my father, who even though he was married, he had outside activities. And I venture to say, most fathers have, maybe a lot more than you think. Well, not my father. Well, maybe. Maybe your father, too. And I didn't want to turn into my father. I didn't want to turn into that guy who gets married or has kids. And then a few years after the kids, they just get up and walk out. So you know what? What I've gotten from this podcast is you are a changed man in a way. No question about it.

When you look back, I didn't want to turn into my father. I was completely committed to making it. And when I had a sober idea and ideal about life, let's say you have 75 or 80 years of life, well you got 24 hours in the day you're going to be asleep i don't know eight hours of the day or whatever then you've got to work for a living if you're you know but the first one to 18 one to 20 years you're doing nothing so erase that time right and then from then on well that's the american system two days out of the week, you're not earning money.

You're doing nothing. You're wasting money. You're spending it on this and that. And then you've got the holidays. You've got Christmas and stuff. By the way, there are 52 weeks in a year, right? And so if a third of that is your comatose, those are not many hours, right? Then you have Christmas.

It's not a lot of time is what you're saying. Fuck, no. You're alive, earning money, which is the only way to get through life, something like 25%. 75% were either comatose, vacationing, or whatever, because you're only working eight hours in the daytime. The rest of the day, what are you doing? Sleeping or... Sleeping, traveling, or sleep. So 25% of your life, you're awake.

40 out of 180 hours a week. week or whatever it is. Crazy. Yeah. This has been amazing and I'm really excited about this movie. Can you move over just a little bit? Deep water. There it is. Aaron Eckhart, Sir Ben Kingsley, produced by Gene Simmons, Magenta.

Lots of producers. Gary Hamilton. Yes, yes. Rennie Harlan directed it. But I'm in first position. Yes, he is in first position. This looks like a blast. I'm going to watch it.

I hope you will. We have a second one coming called the Canyon. Oh, don't stop. You put all, what do you go to Vegas and put all your money on 28, Red? 27. What's 27? I don't know. I just put, um, the canyon.

It's got Bella Thorne and Mel Gibson on it. Wow. Low budget, but a high thriller. And another three coming, possibly I, the animal, which is a killer. And a story I wrote, which maybe I shouldn't mention. There's quite a few. project. But the first rule is what I do best is sweat equity and I, for those people that don't understand, I don't put money in. But when you want me for something, you've got to pay me a lot

of money. So I trade access. I mean, I can pick up a phone and I don't know for whatever reason. Help out. No, the decision makers will give me the time of day. Whereas usually most people have to go up to the secretary who's got a thing. You go right to the top. Yeah. I want your hat. But the cooler hat is coming. It's going to have a bite taken out of it with bloods, with blood spatter.

Yes, I want that one. Thanks for being here. That was, that was fun. He signed my kiss doll. My mom got me a kiss doll for a birthday. Years ago, Ryan. We're talking 20 years ago. You listening to this?

Kissed all. is a big kiss doll and the funny thing is I never really listened to Kiss that much but she just buys in her adult son a giant Kiss doll Is she a Kiss fan? I mean I think everybody's somewhat

you know a Kiss fan but like my brother was a kiss fan so maybe it wasn't that I wasn't a fan but I never really was like hey I'm going to this concert I have kiss posters everywhere and hey I'm getting this for your brother I might as well get you one too yeah it was like she got me this giant doll

I think I was probably 30. So I've had that fucking kiss doll for 24 years. I've kept it. And finally, Gene Simmons signs it. My God. I thought this was a child's purchase. It was not a child's purchase.

My mom, God bless her. I hope you enjoyed the interview. Gene, I hope you had a good time. And I hope you like this interview. Thanks for coming on the show. And,

you know, Ryan, here we are. Here we are. In this new room. In this new room. It feels like a new room, doesn't it? It does.

I mean, I keep, I just keep looking at everything. And I'm just like checking things. I don't know if I'm sitting in the right spot yet. No, you are. It's okay if you sit in the corner or there. It's all good. I think I have to be a little further away from the corner. So I'm, oh, center.

I don't know. We talked about it. I'm just thinking about everything. Ryan's freaking out. I am freaking out. He's totally freaking out. There's another camera that we're not using right now that is like a fly-in-the-wall cam. Yeah.

Why don't you just go press it really quick so they could see what we're talking about. You record 10 seconds of it. Tim, you would like that. Oh, there it is. Is that it? There we got that. So we'll put a few seconds on there. Was it in focus?

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