Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - JACK OSBOURNE: Going Too Far on The Osbournes & Recovering From His Darkest Moment

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

Jack Osbourne (Ghosts and Grit, The Osbournes) joins us this week to share his unique perspective of growing up with Ozzy Osbourne, a world renowned rockstar, as your father and all the ups and downs that came from his family opening their front door to America. Jack opens up a lot by sharing his journey to sobriety at the age of 17 and how he was able to recover from his darkest, most lonely incident that almost ended it all. We also talk about his life changing diagnosis while becoming a new dad, crazy paranormal experience that’ll make your skin crawl, and ‘gotcha TV’ going too far. Thank you to our sponsors: 🍓 Strawberry: https://strawberry.me/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🛏️ Helix Sleep: https://helixsleep.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm good. Yeah, yeah, fine. I'm here. Yeah. Hi. I'm here. Yeah, it's been a crazy week. I flew to Dallas to do these injections.

Yeah. And I mean, it helped. I was awake and they put these 16 injections in my joints, these 20 gauge needles. It's funny, it didn't hurt that bad. I bled a little, but he injects the joints with this placenta protein. It's non-DNA. Good band name. You don't want to change sons.

Placenta protein. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. But it gave me a lot of relief for a couple days. I'm starting to get pain back, but he says, you know, it's normal. It will kind of ebb and flow. So we'll see. Jeez.

Yeah. Went to the Knicks game last night. And I'm a Knicks fan. I root for the Lakers unless they're playing the Knicks. Oh, yeah, it was an overtime game. Yeah. And we were up by 10 in the 4th and just blew it. It was a great game, really exciting.

I was amazed that there's a couple of players on the Lakers that, and I'm not saying because I love the Lakers, but just every call, they whine and bitch at the reps. It's unbelievable. You're an athlete. You make tons of money. You're a superstar. You're a great basketball player. And you, every call, it seemed like they were just crying to the refs.

I couldn't believe it. I was like, what is going on? What are you doing? It was a bad look, but they're great. I mean, the Lakers with Luca, I think, can win the championship. I hate that. Don't love that. You're not a Lakers fan?

A Clippers fan. You're a Clippers fan. Yeah. I'm a Knicks fan, but I don't think, you know, Brunson's hurt and got hurt last night. Sorry if we're boring you. But I just, you know, anyway, you know, if the Knicks don't make it, I hope the Lakers. It'd be great to see a New York, L.A. showdown. Those are always fun.

Yeah. We had it in hockey recently. Had a baseball last year. Yeah. It's good. Big shout out to Jeannie Bus. Thanks for the love. I love coming.

It was a blast. I got to take you to the game. Yeah. Love to. But you'd rather go to a Clippers game. It was fun. I went for the first time a couple weeks ago. You had fun?

Yeah. It's a very advanced new thing. It's Intuit Dome. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. It's cool.

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and have a blast jack osborne is the guest today and uh i had met him a long time ago my friend was giving him a ride home and we talked for about 20 minutes and i really just like this guy he was just so sweet and genuine and he's been through a lot i mean we talk about him trying to you know trying on what's the correct way to say it end things end his life and thankfully he didn't and we talk about his dad and his love for his dad and his mom and just his relationship with his family and his career but like he gets he really talks about the darker side of things you know because there's there's always that so it was it was awesome i think you're going to really love this interview um and he's so prolific in terms of

work you know there's always one project a new project he's always creating and i like to see that i like to see someone who's just like all right let's do this now let's try this if you don't take chances you never succeed or or fail you just kind of stay at this you know so you got to give it a shot and i think you know i think people are starting to do that more i think people are starting realize that nobody cares nobody cares about you it's like gretsky quote you miss 100% of the shots you don't take you miss 100% of the shots you do not take that is absolutely true it's true uh all right why don't we do this this is great thanks for the support thanks for the love and let's get into jack osborne let's get inside of jack osborne it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you

with michael rosenbaum Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. You know, we were just talking about how it's been a rough year. Oh, yeah. And the end of last year, it was kind of rough. And it's like, when is the tide going to turn? And has it been tough for you? Oh, dude.

Did you lose your house? No, I didn't lose my house. No. You know people, though. Yeah, dude. It's funny. It's like everyone you run into an L.A. It's like, oh, yeah, you know, family or friends.

But I think I have about 11. friends lost their houses. I mean, it's just like, it's insane. It's unbelievable. It's so sad. It's just like, yeah, I have so many that, you know, it's funny because I was talking to my, I'm developing this show and my producer, um, he ran a network, uh, he ran the studio, ran Sony and so we're just talking. I go, are you safe or he was like, oh, I lost my house. And I go, what? I had no idea and I hadn't talked to him since it all happened. And what do you say it's like you lost everything yeah at least you have your life you know yeah your your family's okay but it's like so you're you have nobody in the palisades uh no no family no but just you know

i grew up in the palisades for a while and it's kind of uh it was like i do this like men's development group and it's based in the palisades men's development yeah what is that it's just kind of like uh developing men it's just like being better humans yes be better humans uh it's not a cult So don't worry. No, I heard about those cults. We all have, you know, a brand by our pubes. No, I'm just kidding. Oh, God.

Well, you know that was, what? That was, you know. Oh, yeah, that's right. DERP? Yeah, sorry, yeah. Yeah, but it's not a derp. You can say what you want. You know, it happened and it's like, holy shit.

Yeah. You know, do you have any friends that were your friends and then did something really awful and then you're not friends anymore? Yeah. I think we all do in this town. Yeah. It's like, or you knew someone like, did you hang out with that person? I'm like, what? No.

I mean, we hung out. Like, but we didn't hang out. Yeah, it wasn't like, we didn't call each other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have some of those that like, you know, I was at the same place that this person was or I was at this function that they were in. But we were friendly, but I never.

And then all of a sudden something happens and they're going to prison. You're like, people are always asking you. Like, you knew them. I go, no, no. I got a lot of. phone calls about that one individual who went to prison. Oh. I got like people being like, you need to come and like testify and I'm like, I didn't

fucking see anything. Are you talking about the 70s thing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which was pretty like, how do you go? That was, it was not. I got like calls from like some, some of his, you know, victims, some, you know, journalists, lawyers.

And I was like, hey, I was like, I was around. Yeah. But I wasn't in the. I wasn't privy to that. Yeah. Yeah. We were in the club. Like that was it. I'd go play poker. That was it. Yeah. And it's funny, if you asked me if that didn't happen and somebody said, how do you, you know, what do you think of this person? I'd be like, he's really nice. He's always been really nice to me. And I've never seen, you know, any, it was a shock. I was like, wait, what? Yeah. I think a lot of it's a shock. I think, you know, the whole, the P. Diddy thing's not so much a shock. I mean, that's, you know. Did you ever go to a Diddy party? Never. I wasn't big enough. I'm not A-list, man.

No. Never been A-list. It's weird. There's like a clip floating around. Like, Kelly got invited to a ditty party when she was like 18 and like he like ran into Kelly at a club. Some weird thing happened where his bouncer like knocked her over and he invited her to one of his parties and like, well, this like clip from the Osworns was like flying around being like, look, he would like preyed on Kelly and all this shit. And it was like, no, I think she ended up like, she ended up winning that. He, like, gave her some, like, diamonds and brought her to a party.

And then she was like, all right, later. But, yeah. So he went, she went to the party. Oh, yeah, she went, yeah. But she didn't see anything. No, no, crazy. No. Because that all happens after, after, after.

Yeah. Yeah. Like a Miyagi, like, after, after. Yeah. It was out late night, late, late night. Yeah, it's the, it's the second stop in the after party, you know, schedule. I would never have to worry about that because I'm, I'm, I'm a pumpkin by 11. Oh, yeah.

Like, I could, I could, I could never. I mean, yeah, back in the day, I could stay out to a one or two, maybe. nights were oh wow three yeah but it hurt i have never been a night owl man the i used to be i used to be like you know yeah you potty oh yeah yeah we yeah i went out a lot and then i had kids and i was like oh wait they wake up at like six in the morning i cannot do this anymore not good i noticed you looking around like oh yeah do you do you have toys at your house um i do a little bit yeah i have like my little room and i've got you know my my stuff i was a big i was a big starwell's toy collector as a kid. Do you still have the Star Wars stuff? I do. Yeah. What do you have? Like a bunch of

the, it's all original stuff. And it's actually my, uh, my family's home in England, but I've got like an X-wing, an original Thai fighter, an att-at, like the whole, you know, all the, all the good stuff. It's probably worth the money. Probably. Yeah. You don't give it to your kids? Uh, I did the mistake of like digging out some old Star Wars toys for them. And they destroy it. They just destroy them. And I was like, eh, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to wait till they're older if they're interested i'll get you some dune toys yeah yeah it's funny you say that my my six year old went as a um as the reverent mother for halloween she loves dune how old is she six she had like you let her see dune at six she is like the biggest sci-fi nerd it's amazing

i love it that's amazing yeah but i'm looking around your post it's very jealous of the aliens yeah that's signed by the entire cast do you get paxton on yeah of course wow yeah that's cool Yeah, that's my, in fact, when the fires hit, they said we had to evacuate. So one of the things I have a van, I've had it for 21 years, it's not creepy. I know you've probably seen a van creepy. No, I had a van for a while. Yeah. But that was one of the things I put in there because I was like, I'll never get that again.

No. You know, and then the Gary Oldman autographed Dracula and the Gene Hackman, Superman behind you. Oh. To your up, yeah, see that? Oh, yeah. To the second best Lex Luther. love Gene Hackman. That's amazing.

That's pretty amazing. That's pretty cool. You go to cons? I do. Yeah. Yeah. Do you go by yourself or you go with Kelly or you go with the family? We've done it as a family a couple times.

Usually I go by myself. My sister, she gets a little uncomfortable by it. Is she shy? I think she, I think it's a little shy. I wouldn't think that. I wouldn't think that Kelly was shy. Yeah. But you think she just turns it on for the cameras?

I think so. Yeah. I think she's a homebody. And I think just it's a lot of interact. As you know, it's, you know, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of being on and, like, a lot of smiles, a little shaken hands. And I think she's a little more reserved than that. My dad loves it.

Like, he's like, gets so stoked every time. He really loves it. He does, yeah. You think somebody is big, you know, with his stature, Ozzy Osborne, we're talking about. But you think that he would be over it at this point. You know, it's funny because he, you know, his health hasn't been great lately, so he hasn't been able to do gigs and so he hasn't wrong with him he's got he's got parkinson's and then he took a fall about six years ago and like messed his neck up so he's got like nerve damage and

but he you know he's doing all right and he uh but he can't tour and so he's so he's so used to his whole life interacting with fans and now that that he hasn't in a while like he it taps him back into that and so he think he really he enjoys the you know just interacting with his people does he go out in public like very much not really no he's kind of homebody yeah occasional dinner he'll go out or you know but yeah he's he's pretty much a homebody really yeah i mean what i always wonder it's like you've been asked us a million times but like i think of my childhood and how normal but abnormal it was and how dysfunctional it was but growing up with a superstar as a dad did you did you see the effects of it just early on just like everybody knew

you as, oh, that's Aussie son. Yeah, there was a, there was a, there was a bit of that for sure. Did it bother you? No, it depends. It bothered me in the sense that I could never really get away with anything. Like if I would go out and like get into trouble and, you know, I, like, I was, I started going to like clubs in Hollywood at 13, 14. I'd go see bands, whatever.

And if I would get into any trouble, they would just call my mom immediately because they knew who I was and they knew my, my parents. You know, my dad's first gig in L.A. was at the whiskey. So, like, the owners of the whiskey knew my family and the Roxy and, you know, Trubodore, all that. So I would get frustrated at that. And then when we did the show, it was like, it just put that on, you know, steroids. And whose idea was that, the show, the Osbournes? The show kind of came about, it was just a real weird, loose conversation we'd had with MTV. Kelly and I had, we'd done something for. MTV News on tour with my dad, like we kind of brought the can, you know, we took a cut loader around Oz Fest and like golf carts and like showed them, you know, backstage and they were interested. They saw your family in the dynamic and they're like, wait a minute. Yeah. And then we did an episode of Cribs that was really highly rated. And so we were just having conversations with a few execs at MTV at the time. And it was just like, hey, we should

figure something out. And then over a dinner, it landed on, hey, why don't we do the real world, but in our house. And who was opposed to this in the beginning? No one in the beginning, you know, I have an older sister who opted out of doing it. And her reason was she wanted to be a musician and she didn't want to kind of, she didn't want it to be perceived that she was, she wanted to do it on her own. Right. You know, I'd say it on her own, but it's like, what are you going to do?

Like, you know, eternal sunshine of the spotless mind and like erasure. your entire existence. But, yeah, so she didn't do the show. But there was a time right when we were going to start that everyone got cold feet because it was like, wait, at this time, I was kind of partying and, you know, doing drugs and my dad wasn't sober. And it was like, do we really want to put this out there? Yeah.

And being 15, MTV's like, we'll pay you money. And I was like, okay, I'm in. Like, I want to buy a car. Were there moments in the show where? where, you know, you're like, no, get the fuck away from me. So much. Even your dad was like, get the fuck. Yes, there is a lot of that.

Was there any, like, getting really upset? Yeah, yeah, that was, we... And they expected that would happen? Yeah, there was a few, like, gotcha moments that they did, you know, where they hid cameras in rooms where there wasn't supposed to be cameras, where conversations would happen. There was a couple, yeah, there was a few. Yeah, what if you're masturbating in an extra room? room. That nearly happened once. Like, as a

teenager, like, I, you know, I'd settled in for like, hey, I'm going to do this now. And then I look and I'm like, wait, that's a camera. Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah, that had to be where you ever like, we're done, we're done. Yes. And then what happened? You're on contract. You can't just quit. Well, no, we shot the entire first season without a contract. And that's why we ended up owning the show. And we, and we, kind of, you know, we made out pretty well at the time, you know, for doing an MTV show. Was it a lucrative deal in the beginning?

What they had initially offered us versus to what we ended up was like tenfold where we ended up because the first season ran. None of us had signed a release. There was no contract, nothing. And the show was very successful. So we turned around to MTV and we kind of held all the cards. We're like, hey, we're either going to sue you for essentially, you know, doing an entire series without any legal, nothing, or are you going to pay us a lot of money and give us the show back after X amount of years? And they were like, okay, I guess we kind of have to. Wow. Yeah, there was a lot of, it was a lot of weird things. You know, they, at one point, we were doing TRL and the, I forget who it was, but one of the execs MTV asked my dad to

come up to his office and he went up, you know, the old MTV building on Times Square. And he goes up there and the guy's like, hey, I just want to, you know, thank you. Here's, here's a check, you know, we just, we really love everything. A check? Yeah, because they, we hadn't signed anything and we hadn't taken any money. So there was, there, I guess, we're trying to do as well. They cashed a check. So they, you know. It must have been a big check. It, it wasn't that big. And so in the elevator down, my dad was smart enough on the way down in the elevator. Like, looked at my mom and like, rip the check up. Wow. Yeah. Now, in the beginning, was it like, well, Jack will be doing his own deal.

Kelly will be doing her deal. Ozzy's, I want more money. I want, like when the deal kind of, when you figured that out, or you're like, we're a family, we split it all. It was kind of, we're a family, we split it all. It was kind of. What a treat. Yeah, it was like, all right. Sure, twist my arm. I'm giving up my privacy, man. Well, that's kind of where it landed. It was like, hey, this is, this is a huge. This is Truman Show shit. Yeah. And it was a huge shift for Kelly and I, because we were still in high school. We were, but the show was so big at the, the time, we couldn't do normal kid shit anymore. And so I think there was this obligation of like, all right, we have to, we have to do, like, we got to make this cool for everyone. How many cameras were in the house, you think, if you had the guess? A hundred? No, there was probably two cameras in every kind of main room. There were cameras that they used to monitor and then there were cameras that they were like TV quality. So not every room had TV quality hidden cameras. And handheld. Yeah, there was a, there was, there was, there was, there was, there was, always two camera teams on on property at all time just because, you know, if someone was going

somewhere, they'd go. Would they sleep there? They were there from 9 a.m. to 3 a.m. every day. Exhaust. Except Sunday. Yeah, Sunday was off. But you didn't eat with them. They had their own thing.

Yeah. But I would, because they had like, you know, they would always have food kind of brought in. I would always be like, hey, can you throw me a burger on that order you're sending out? So, but I wouldn't, wouldn't really. That was one of my rules. I was like, don't fill me eating. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Why is that? I just had this weird thing about like I hated seeing myself on camera eating. Yeah. You don't want to do like a Cyrus. Yeah. Billy. Was his name Billy Ray Cyrus? What was it? Who was eating? No, it was the guy from, um, the Hasselhoff. Oh, the Hasselhoff. When he, when he, you don't want people to see you devouring food. Yeah. Were you ever drunk or high or or or? During the show. So many times. Yeah. Do you regret it or you think, hey, it's fodder. It's, uh, um, you. Um, you. You. Um, You know what? It's recently we watched back. We did like a watch party thing with the whole family where we watched back episodes. And I watched it and I was like, you know, as a parent, you're kind of like, fuck, that's gnarly. Like, wow. They actually ed that. Like, I am a child getting fucked up. And no one had a problem with it. It was like high five.

So you would see in the show you drinking? Sort of. Like you wouldn't see me with like a can of. It was just a plastic cup. Yes. Yeah. And you could tell you were a little bit and you create it. Yeah. And there was a few where it was like, I'm staggering drunk. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money. Period. It's Rocket Money. It's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. This is just some wonderful app. There's a lot of apps out there that really, you know, you have to do this. pay for and that but with rocket money it's they're saving you money you're getting this app to save money um i don't know how many times that i've had these unwanted subscriptions that i thought i canceled or i forgot to you know the free trial ran at ryan i know you did it that's why you got rocket money i did yeah and i also i also talked to a financial advisor recently and i said i had

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It would always float between, you know, my mom was always kind of the, you know, she was the quarterback. But then it would be like if we didn't, you know, straighten out, she would, I'm going to go get your father. And then if dad got involved, it was like, oh, fuck. What would he do? There was some yelling. There was some, like, punishment. You know, they would. It was very different from, I had a, my parents had a very different set of rules for me.

versus my sisters. They were actually more strict with my sisters. Right. Well, the girls. Yeah. They got to take care of the girls. Yeah. Man. But like, was he sort of like growing up? I mean, did you, did you think if you look back like, because you're pretty damn normal. You've grown up to be like this. I wouldn't go to that. Well, you're a model citizen. You're like a, you know, you're a good dad. You care about your family. You're, you know, you're reserved. You're classy. But you look back and you're like, oh, this is doomed. He's, you know, is this kid going to make it out of? You're like, you know, is this kid going to make it out of? of this? Is Kelly going to make it out of all this stuff? Are they unscathed? How is that possible?

What do you think happened that that kind of gave you some normalcy? I think for me what it was, I got sober when I was 17. And so, and like real sober, not like California. Like, oh, yeah, I just, you know, I'd smoke pot and drink beers on Saturday. Like, no, like I did the work. And it became like a huge pillar in my life. And when I was about, 19, we'd stop doing, not 18 or 19, we stopped doing the show. And I ended up making it, I had a TV series in England for like six years where I just traveled the world doing a bunch of different extreme adventure sports. And you created that? Yeah. Yeah. It was like the greatest life hack ever. Wow. I was like, why don't you pay me to just go have fun?

Seriously. And travel. I want to do a reality show with you. Oh, we should do it. I've been wanting to do something kind of fun and like, I'm really good with people and, I want to travel and do stuff. But yeah, anyway, go ahead. But the, I just, I think just getting out of L.A. And kind of growing up, traveling all over the world, I think it was a real shift for me. It was a change of perspective. And I never, I never really loved the, I mean, I love L.A.

L.A. is a great, well, it was a great city. It's an okay city now. But back then, it was so much fun here. There's always something going on. Right. But I had this yearning for like, I need more, I need to experience the world more than just. More substance. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. Yeah, well, that makes sense. I mean, it's got to be tough. I mean, did you look at your father as like, did you know what, what, how big of a celebrity, what a rock story was? Did you go back and review old concerts and did you do a lot of research or you didn't want to know as much and you kind of just ignored it?

No. Because some people was like, yeah, he's this, but I don't. I don't watch any of that, or I don't. It started to, when I was in my early teens, when I really got into music and all the bands that I really liked, back in the day when you would read him by, you know, Rolling Stone or Kerrang or hit parade, any music magazine, a lot of these bands would say, oh, you know, might that. My dad was a huge influence or Black Sabbath was a huge influence.

And that really, then I started kind of looking at it more. I could remove myself and examine his body of work. as a fan, ultimately. Thank God you liked it. There was a chance you might not have. Yeah. I mean, he could have been like a humperdink or something guy, kind of like it was some, you know, love ballads that you were just like, oh, boy.

Yeah, exactly. No, but it was, it was, I really, yeah, I was listening to Sabbath in my car the other day. Did you ever tell him, like, I really like your music? Yeah. Yeah. What do he say? We were actually sat around talking about it yesterday. He, you know, he asks specifics, like, well, what about it?

or, you know, what do you think of this? What do you think of that? Like, he, you know, he's, um, my dad's incredibly critical of his work of this. He's very, you know, he just picks it apart and doesn't really think it's, he doesn't listen to it. No, he does a lot. He does. Yeah, because he's always, I think, critiquing it.

Wow. Um, but he, yeah, it was, you know, it's, but it's hard. Like, we were having this conversation yesterday about like the contribution of, of Black Sabbath and his solo stuff. was kind of comparing to other bands, this, that, and the other. And I was like, you know, ultimately, think what you want about your music is, it's one thing. But you got to look at the, what people say about it. And there are so many artists today that attribute their either passion for music or the creativity or whatever to what you did. And I was like,

that ultimately is what you should hang your hat on. Don't listen to critics, because critics aren't right in fucking music. I know. Listen to the people that see your art and then want to create art either similarly or continue on what you've done. What do you think is your favorite song of his? I guess my favorite Sabbath song is symptom of the universe. And I think favorite solo would probably be Diary of a Madman. But then some of his newest stuff too is great. Like he, you know, released an album a couple years ago called Ordinary Man and the title track, Ordinary Man's an amazing song. It's amazing how he gets, he's still recording.

Yeah. You know, and he's dealing with all this stuff and he's, uh, do you see him? Have you seen him in the studio in the recent years? Yeah. Where you're like, wow. Yeah. When he gets behind a mic or when he gets, everything changes. Yeah, but he's like now, whereas he could sit and he could go to the studio for like eight

hours before, six hours. That's two. Yeah. He'll go in for two hours and, you know, do his thing and leave. It takes a little longer to do albums. now. Is he kind of like, I'm done. Yep.

That's exactly it. He'll go in. He'll be like, all right, let's work on this. And then his patience is like, all right, we're out of here. Short-tempered, kind of like, I'm over it. Yep. What do you think his favorite song is? No idea.

No idea. And he'll tell you his answer is I haven't written it yet. Really? Yeah. You know what I always love that song with him and Lita Ford? Yeah. I want him to re-record it as a country song. Really?

Yeah. As weird as that sounds. You guys know what song? You know what I'm talking about? Close your eyes forever. Oh, that song, man. It's a good one. It is a good one.

Yeah. Funny story about that song. My mom was managing Leader Ford at the time. Oh, wow. And my dad had written that song. Went to a party last Saturday night. You know that song? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. And my dad was working on that song, and my mom was like, hey, can we do that with Lita? And so, that's how it all kind of came to be. It was Sharon's idea? I believe so. Really? Yeah, yeah. Wow.

I could be totally wrong in some dorky, you know, 1980s. That's actually not true. It was a guy named Herbert Hoover. You had to have met a lot of big musicians in your time just by, you know, who's the biggest that you were like, holy shit, I'm starstruck. Man. Did you ever meet Zeppelin, Jimmy Page, Robert Prent? Yes, I have, I have, I've met Jimmy Page. I've never met Robert Plant, but I met Jimmy Page, and it was actually a really funny story.

There's a famous rock photographer named Ross Halfen. He's taken photos of everyone since music began. I mean, he's got this amazing, rich kind of connection to rock going from 1960, whatever, to present day. And he's been a family friend for years and years. And I walk into the Chateau Mont, and I run into Ross. and he's with Jimmy Page, and I'm with my buddy. And so I go to Ross and I go hi, and he's like, oh, have you ever met Jimmy? I'm like, no.

And so we're just chatting. And he's like, how's your dad, this, that, whatever? And I'm just like, oh, hi, Jimmy Page. And my buddy is wearing a Vin, just coincidentally, wearing a Led Zeppelin t-shirt. And he's just kind of like, whatever, and looking around. And Jimmy looks and goes, oh, nice t-shirt. My friend, oh, thanks. He has no fucking idea that it's Jimmy Page.

He's just standing and going, oh, who's this guy? Oh, thanks. Yeah, he was just kind of like, you know, whatever. So you didn't even tell him then. And no, when we walked out, I was like, you know, you're a, I was like, you know, that was fucking Jimmy Page. And he's like, what? And he just freaks out.

Oh, I just saw a documentary called Becoming Led Zeppelin that's coming out. Oh, wow. And Sony Pictures Classics did it. And my friend, Tom Bernard, invited me. I never go to screenings and premieres anymore, really. I just don't like doing it, but I was like, I got to go to this. and it was awesome and it wasn't about all their downfall and the drugs and bottom dying it was about becoming lead zeppelin yeah and how they became so it was all just how these guys somehow got

together and started making music their four lives how they kind of it was it was great so i recommend when that comes out you see that is is this the one that's the like sanctioned like led zeppelin sanctioned documentary like they were yeah they were all involved yeah there's never before seen footage and interviews and, yeah, it was pretty amazing. Have you ever seen your dad cry before? Oh, yeah. Really? He's a crier?

You know, he will. Like, what does he cry about? You know, when like, you know, certain friends have died or, you know. Does he ever cried to you like I'm proud of you or? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Does it make you cry when he cries? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I think everyone cries when the dad cries. I've never, I've only heard my dad cry once. my sister passed and it was on the phone and I never have seen my dad emote like I've never seen any emotion out of him only just you're how old is your dad is he he's 74 now yeah my dad's 76 it's it's that generation it was like it hit me to the freaking core I mean to the I mean it was it was it was so so emotional yeah and I just was like I don't know what to say dad I love you I'm here for it just to leave me speechless is pretty incredible and that was that was really hard because he doesn't do that is are your parents ones that growing up when they're wrong do they admit

it my dad will he will my dad will i fucked up yeah yeah he he will admit it um you know my mom is a little more stoic with admitting that kind of stuff but she will get there she absolutely will Now, you are, like this podcast, we talk about mental health, we talk about life, death, all this stuff in between, which people really relate to and it helps a lot of people. Then you've been through a lot. You buy a pair of socks, that's two socks. You buy a pair of Bomba socks, that's four socks. Because one purchased is one donated. Sox are the number one most requested clothing item in homeless shelters.

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and I said, it could be completely wrong, but essentially it means multiple scars. And so when with multiple sclerosis, you have lesions in your nervous system. So it could be in your brain, your spot anywhere where you've got a nerve. The disease will break down the myelin sheath, which is like the outer coating of that nerve, and essentially calcifies it. So when they look at it in an MRI, you see these like white dots all through your nervous system. And so it's like multiple scars. And so you can't, if you have one, just, you know, one lesion, they will rarely kind of diagnose that.

But if you've got multiple, then. Which it usually is. Yes. Yeah. How old were you when you found out? It's like 26, 27. And what happened? Do you have symptoms?

What kind of symptoms do you have? So 18 months prior to me getting diagnosed, my legs went numb for like three or four months. It was really weird. Like if cold water touched my legs, it felt burning hot. and if hot water touched my legs it felt ice cold and that's scary yeah it was really weird and I was like oh I must have just like pinched a nerve or done something in both legs yeah I was just 20-something year old just like whatever I'm fine yeah exactly um and so then 18 months later I went blind in my right eye and I was like this is this is not normal not good um and I went

to the doc I went to the eye doctor because if you can't see you go to the the eye doctor. And he knew what it was, but he couldn't diagnose it because he's not a neurologist. He hadn't, I didn't have an MRI. And he's like, you need to go to the emergency room, get an MRI. Went to the whole process. Were you scared? Yeah, because when I went to the emergency room, they were like, we think you may have had aneurysm or a stroke or something. And at that point, I was freaking out. I had a three week old baby. And I was like, what the hell's going on? Like, what is this? And after a couple weeks of testing and, you know, or whatever, they determined it was multiple sclerosis. And then I did what any, you know,

defiant 20-something-year-old goes to being, I'm going to get a second opinion. I thought you're going to say, I'm going to get a beer. No, no. When it got a second opinion, same thing. They're like, nope, this is multiple sclerosis. Do you have it for life then, right? Yes. It's an autoimmune disease that you can't. They say that you can't cure. Right. But I don't know. I've been really lucky. I don't have a super aggressive form of it. I have what's called relapsing, remitting, and I haven't had like a flare-up or a relapse. Can you die from it? You can, yes. They, well, sort of. Like, you can die from complications as a

result of it. So over time, multiple sclerosis will, you know, erode your nerves further and further. And so it can affect mobility. It can affect speech. It can affect, you know, how you swallow, how you breathe. But you haven't seen a lot of that. No, no. Are you on medications? I was for a while. And then, I stopped taking him because I'm an idiot. But how long has that been? Like seven years. And you still have no symptoms?

Very few. Well, maybe that's honestly, I don't, look, I'm not a doctor, but maybe it's good where, you know, you were on these things and then you got off and you've been fine for seven years. So if you ever have to go back, they'd be more effective. Exactly. That's kind of my thought. And then my part, my second part of it was, well.

We're not doctors here. Don't listen to us. Like, how long can I go between these episodes? off medication. I just was trying to get a sense of things. I do a lot of supplementing. I do a ton of, you know, tweaking. And, like, I work with this, like, nutritionist guy and some, you know.

Are you really healthy? I know, but I try to be. What supplements do you take? Man, I have, I mean, I take, like, omega's and fish oils. Yeah, yeah, exactly. A lot of that, a lot of, like, N-A-D. Peptide at all? Peptides, yeah.

The peptides really help? Fuck, yes, they do. Oh, my God. pain and aches? Oh, yeah. Depends which one you should take because it's like, whatever, there's like 30 different types

and they're always coming out with new one. Is it BCP 137 or something? I forgot the next. I've done that one. I've done like CJC. I've done like epa mowls. Pills or shots?

Shots. Because I'm going to start taking peptide injections to see if that could help with some of the pain I have. Absolutely can. 100%. Like you've noticed you overwhel. Yeah.

And I do, you know, I exercise a lot and I do a lot of jujitsu and like my recovery. time is so, like, nominal. It's like nothing. Wow. Yeah, it's really cool. So that's the new, it's like thiasin? Thymus. Is that what it is? One of, there was thymid, and I took thymus at one point. I haven't taken it a long time. Yeah. Again, go to a doctor, talk to people about this. Don't listen to us, but like peptides are sort of the thing now that people are talking about. I know that when, you know, would you say your lowest point was probably when you found out your mom had cancer?

probably yeah yeah and like you were drinking heavily then yeah and i know you went through you you attempted attempted suicide yeah and how close were you man i i i went like hey let's do lean i was like we're gonna do this you really were that set on it there was no turning back i didn't i didn't see yeah like i you weren't scared like here i go that desperate i think it was it was less about being scared and more about just being, I felt that sad. I just felt so just, I didn't, I didn't have any sense of really who I was. I didn't feel like I had a good support system around. My mom was really sick. My dad was in his own, you know, addiction at the time. My sisters weren't around at all. You know, Kelly was off doing her. So you felt like you had no one. Yeah. I felt

incredibly alone. You know, I probably wasn't as alone as I thought. But I just didn't. I was like, all right, you know, I'm tired of this. It was a really crazy time. You know, the show was hugely successful. I had, and it was, there was a lot of. They had money and the show, all these things. Yeah. But I had no sense of who I was. I think that's what a lot of people deal with. Yeah. I think even myself, sometimes I think of like who, I think the older I get, the more I am finding that out and purpose and doing what I want to do and what I love. But there's times when it gets dark and you're like, I don't, I don't, you know, whether it's you're suffering from pain or mental pain or anguish or whatever that you just like,

and mixing alcohol and drugs into it obviously makes it makes things a lot worse. Yes. Did you, so you try to slit your wrists? No, no, I tried to, I downed like a bottle of somers. I don't even know if they still. Somers is like a muscle relax. Yeah, yeah. I did like a, I down like a bottle of somers and just washed it down with some alcohol and I was already really drunk.

And so what happened? I slept for like 14, 15 hours and kind of I just, I ended up just waking up and being like. Nobody knew about it? No one knew. What made you think, you know, like, I'm not going to do that. I ended up calling, I had like a therapist as a kid, and I ended up finding his phone. This was like back in the day with flip phones, you, I remember I had this Motorola, but you could only program like 99 numbers in it. You couldn't have more than 100 phone numbers.

Right. And so I always had like a little phone, I used to carry a little black book. And I remember like flipping through it and finding his number and calling him and just having a conversation and ended up going to. chat with him and it didn't I didn't get sober right then and there but shortly thereafter um you know I ended up kind of you know through a series of events going like all right I need to go to treatment did you confront your family about it and like this is what I did no no I didn't tell I they never knew about it no they didn't know until I when I was in treatment and then I you know and then I shared share with them about it and probably heartbreak oh yeah horror oh man like I just I wouldn't yeah it's it's

it's really tough and it's always that case of when you become a parent you begin to empathize further with your parents because it's really hard it's hard to see your kids suffer it's hard to see your kids go through hard times because you want it you want to just be like oh let me fix this view like i can do but we've all got a we've all got our own journey are you want any sort of antidepressant or nothing no i was i was for a while yeah i was uh yeah i was on like an ssr i did you think like I never going to get off this because I feel so much better? No, I, so when I got sober, I was on, I was on antidepressants for, you know, probably two years, two, three years. And then I, about around this time is two, you know, two or something years later. That's when

I started traveling and doing a lot of different extreme sports and climbing and skydiving and all this stuff. And I ended up just losing my medication while I was like somewhere in Europe. just never got back on it yeah and i was like i because they always say trickle off yeah and don't just and i think because i was on like a climbing trip and i just didn't have time to sit there and be like oh i'm you know i was like hanging off the side of a a mountain somewhere i was i just i don't know and i never got back on them i think the way you carry yourself and and you know you believe in exercising a lot and doing these things i think that if you didn't exercise a lot of that stuff can creep back up yes you know and i think that's why it's so helpful and i think that's why it's so

for people to move i know that you know my mom you know she's older now and she's a bit more sedentary than she used to be and i believe it's being sedentary is the death of all of us i mean if you sit there and you're not getting your heart rate up if you're not walking if you're just sitting there and eating and not it's it's your mind is going to go away your body is going to deteriorate everything's going to hurt it's just going to get worse and worse so it's like pick yourself up and just go for a walk, maybe five minutes today, maybe 20 minutes tomorrow. Yeah. Um, and I'm, you know, I need to do that more myself too. And sometimes you're like, oh, well, I'm in decent shape. I, you know, sometimes, you know, you think you look in the mirror and you're like, oh, you know,

you're fine. It doesn't mean you're fine because you look okay. Yeah. You can have underlying things going on. It's just, it's just not healthy. So it's good that you like turned a corner in your life, you know. And I've, and it hasn't been, it wasn't just the sweeping thing. Like I, bounce back and forth with like being healthy being unhealthy it's just like I'll have a burger here yeah yeah like I mean I've yo the amount of times that I've gained 30 pounds lost 30 pounds probably five or six times over the last 20 something years you probably won't do that now though no probably not now I think what what really shifted it for me was you know not to be one of those podcast bros talking about it like really just over the last five years I got really into it and it just it it's

It gives you confidence to you, doesn't it? It does. That's the most important thing. It gives you confidence. It gives you some. You feel like you could throw a, you could hit somebody if you had to. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Have you ever gotten a fight? Yeah, I've had a few. I've had a few scraps. Really? Yeah. Did you lose any of them? Well, I've had like actual ring like professional fights. Really?

Yeah, yeah. I did a Muay fight in Thailand and then a couple boxing matches. Wow. Yeah. And you won? Yeah, I won one of the boxing matches. I lost one. And then the fight in Thailand was kind of weird.

It was like, I wasn't in great. It was right when I started kind of getting into shape. And they were like, oh, if you want to go do a fight, we'll pay you up with this like really old dude. And I was like, okay. He beat your ass. Kind of, but not really. He just ended up like gassing out. And I like punched him and he kind of went down.

He was just like this old fat dude. And you were headgear? No. So you've been hit in the face. Yeah. You've been punched. You know how to take a punch. Yeah.

I hate it, though. It's the worst thing that you're getting punched in the face. It's like your eyes water, you're just kind of numb, your adrenaline, you're kind of nervous. It's like this all overall feeling. Like, I definitely hate that. Yeah. I hate getting hit in the face. Yeah.

But boy, when you get a good right hook on somebody, that feels good. No, I'm just kidding. Now, I mean, you've been through so much. You really have. I've had an interesting journey. I mean, you're divorced now and then remarried. Yep. I mean, it seems like you can get through things a lot easier.

Now, you know how to deal with adversity. It's... What is it? What's your kind of belief in that? Okay, so it's one of my favorite quotes, and I heard it a few years ago, and it's always... Let me guess. What? Who's more foolish, the fool or the foo who follows him?

Close. Okay. No, it's a Jordan Peterson quote, and he said, we are not entitled to happiness. We're entitled to an adventure. Wow. It's really stuck with me because in any great adventure, it's not awesome the whole time. You know, you look at Frodo carrying the ring to Mount Doom. It's, there are good moments and there are a lot of shitty moments.

Yeah. And I try and remember that during the shitty moments being like, hey, this is just a part of the adventure. It's, this will pass. This two shall pass. Yeah. Yeah. But it's been like this last year, man sucked. Fucking sucked.

Just worked dried up, you know, just dealing with some different, you know, some mental health stuff, some just personal shit with, you know, relationship. It's just everything. It was just a really, really tough year. Yeah. And I, yeah, I've just been like, fuck, man. Like, when is this going to end? And I just keep saying myself, like, it's just the path you're on right now. Like, this will part.

Nothing stays the same forever. Yeah. Even the good times don't stay good forever. The bad times don't say bad forever. But I think having that that kind of perspective on situations has really helped because it's, you know, it's not all, you know, if you go online, you know, someone goes into your DMs or whatever, you know, you make a comment on your video. Everyone just assumes that because you work in the entertainment industry, it's, you know, champagne dreams and caveat, which it's like, no, like, short. Poor baby. You're making a lot of money on Hollywood.

We're human beings. Yeah. We're like you. Yes, we're doing things that people see and we're noticed sometimes. But it doesn't mean we can't feel pain and we can't hurt and we can't get depressed and we can't. And that's what this podcast is. It's like it's showing that like that's just so untrue. Yeah.

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How many have you created? A decent amount, yeah. 20? I don't know. Probably, I guess there's like shows that I've created and the shows that I've hosted. I don't know. I've probably done maybe between 10 and 12. any shows. What's your favorite? Man. I really loved the show I did with my dad,

world detour. That was so much fun. Um, and then I really enjoyed adrenaline junkie, which was the extreme sport travel show. Um, yeah, I mean, you like the, like the haunted shows. Yeah, I have fun doing it. I love that shit. I love that shit. It's, it's, it's fun. It's just, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of late nights and it's a lot of work in really cold, damp, you know, spooky places. Figuring out what you're going to talk about. Yeah, and like, and actually, I mean, relating it back to mental health, like, it, it gets depressing when you're doing show after show because you're talking about death, death and how horrible tragedy. Yeah, it just, it weighs heavy. I do love it.

It is a hobby. It is something that has been, you know, I've done for a long time. Do you believe in the paranormal? I do, yeah. I do, too. Yeah, there's something to it. Yeah, absolutely. There's signs all around.

Yeah, I, I, it's so funny. the amount of conversations I've had with people that are like oh you don't really believe in all that ghost stuff do you and I'll be like

well yeah I kind of do and then they and then within five minutes of talking someone will go well yeah you know I actually had

this experience and then you go okay well are you schizophrenic are you having some kind or you want some kind of hallucinogen okay well you take those out

you had some kind of experience that was abnormal paranormal and what is it You know, I don't necessarily think it's all, oh, it was once the spirit of a one, you know, living human. And now they're just occupying the space. You know, sometimes I think it's that. But I think there's a whole laundry list of things going on. Have you ever had something that happened in your life? Yeah, I've had a, I've had a lot, especially doing the go shows. You've had things where like it just creeps you out the, the hair in your arms. Yeah, like I've seen objects move in front of me. I've, uh, you've seen objects move and you know no one did that.

100% yeah i would freak out yeah that's why i would be good on one of those shows because i like that is real i'm sure to god what did one of you guys do that i would flip out yeah it's it's it's crazy when it happens we i've had yeah just what's the explanation for that you know some i'm sure some scientists would come in and be like well you know the the the air conditioning turned on and bounced off the window and you know and dirted and yeah yeah i mean i'm sure someone could come in and do that. We always try in the moment to go, all right, did someone, like, did a truck drive by the building and shake the building? But were you ever really scared? Like, I'm scared. I want to leave right now. Like, genuinely, I want to leave. Yes. We investigated this house in

somewhere in Texas. I think it was like mineral wells, Texas, somewhere like that. And they called it the, the hell, the hill, hell house, something like that. Hell house, probably. Yeah. And, it was a real strange environment. Everyone was really tense and like the crew were fighting. The director was in a movie. It was just a not good day. Everyone was off and kind of on edge. And we weren't really, nothing really was going on.

It was a very strange. It was just a vibe in the house of like just darkness. And towards the end of the evening, we were up in this like attic space. And it sounded like someone took. the house and picked it up and dropped it. The whole house just went, boom, like a sonic boom type loud, just in the house. And it was so fucking crazy. To this day, I have no idea what it was, what it did.

It was like if God took a baseball bat and hit the side of the house. It's one of those things where it's like, get out. That's the way we all perceived it. And we were like, this isn't, this isn't right. The camera guys were freaking out. Freaked the fuck out. And these were the camera. They're seen at all.

Yeah. God DP Addison, I've done probably a hundred ghost hunts with him. And he was, he freaked. Oh, man. I would have flipped out. All right. This is called shit talking with Jack Osborne. It's rapid fire.

These are my patrons. Patreon.com slash incite you if you want to join help to show out. Jessica B says, what's something you do to stay grounded when life gets hectic? I still do a lot of 12-step meetings, so probably 12-step meetings and jiu-jitsu and meditation. Raj, tell me about a time someone wronged you. Are you able to quickly resolve things or did it lead to a long period of resentment towards them? I had a particularly bad falling out with a business partner at one point, and it took me a long time to just kind of let go of the resentment. Yeah, that was tough.

You know, business with friends, it's, it's tough thing. It's just like, you know, just get a contract. Yeah. Just get something that says, we own 50% this is what we're just no matter what. Yeah. Because you could say, oh, we're friends. It's fine. It's fine.

Yeah. And someone's like, well, I've been putting all these hours. I've seen it happen millions of times. That's very similar to what happened. Yeah. We had a lot of success. And it was just, it's, it's soured. And I, and ultimately I feel sad about loss of the friendship because we were really good friends.

Yeah, that sucks. Linda M. What's your favorite childhood memory? favorite childhood memory oh wow um christmas 1997 um let's see um man this i've got i've got i've actually have quite a few i think the thing that first pops into mind i was like 10 and my dad took me out of school to go uh tour with him through europe when he was touring in the 90s and it was just me and him My sisters and mom didn't come, and it was like six weeks, and it was great all through like France and Germany. You'll never forget that. Yeah, it was the best. That's amazing. Yeah, it was a really cool time.

Don G. What's one thing you went through as a kid that you never want your kids to go through? Probably, you know, drug and alcohol abuse and, you know, mental health stuff. Yeah. And feeling so helpless or hopeless that they don't have someone in knowing they do have someone around them, I guess. Yeah, exactly. That loves them. Sicily, is there a movie about your life? If there was a movie about your life, what would it be the title?

Maybe the adventure. The adventure, or Jack's back. Jack yet. Full metal Jack. Full metal Jack. Osborn in the USA. Osborne in the USA. Osborne identity.

Wow, you guys are good. Razi border, when you're looking for Bigfoot, what feelings did you feel at the time? Bigfoot, there is definitely something to him. I don't know. There is, I've always been skeptical about Bigfoot. And then when I did that Bigfoot hunt with Jay Mews, I was like, you know what? Not every single person we've interviewed here is fucking crazy.

Like, they're seeing something. And I was on the fence for the longest time, but I don't know. I kind of think. There's something to it. Yeah. Gen T. What has been your most important key to finding happiness? That's not easy.

It's not an easy one. I don't think there's any one thing. I don't. I think there's a, I think having community, having family. Yeah. Having self-worth, having spirituality, some conscious contact with a higher power, whatever, whatever you want it to be. You know, I think it all, you know, it's all slices of a pie. Do you feel like shit when you wake up?

Do you feel like, God, my body is just, you. the older you get you just like god and it just takes a couple hours to get going i had that this morning i woke up and i was like yeah that's how i felt every morning yeah i was just like i was just like i feel like a train hit me every morning and then it takes about two or three hours and then i'm okay peptides help with that yeah i'm getting on peptides and like and you do a injection under your stomach yeah yeah you just do it's a little tiny like insulin needle and you notice right away after probably a couple you know 10 days or so and how often do you take it um months a week twice a week my my regime but i'm constantly changing shit tweaking go see you're done

yeah we're not what's next what's on the agenda you always have something going on what are you doing right now so it's my me i'm focusing a lot of my podcast um what's the podcast talk about it's called ghost and grit um you can find it on youtube or wherever you find your podcast and you talk about stuff like this about what you really believe and like seeing things and you get we've been over the last year i've been kind of changing the format and this you know is it an interview show is it a you know is it a paranormal thing it's i'm kind of landing more on just doing kind of interview stuff where we touch on paranormal but i don't know it's my interests go far beyond just paranormal um and so i want to incorporate that a little bit more into it and so we're broadening how long have you been doing

it. A little over a year. You enjoy it? I do. I do. I think it's a really amazing. Ghosts and grit. Ghosts and grit. Yeah. Where'd you get the name from? You just thought like it's about everything. It's ghost and grit. What's like yeah. It kind of speaks. Exactly. Initially I wanted to call I wanted to call the podcast stuff about things and people. Because that way it's just like or stuff about stuff. Stuff about stuff. Well, this has been fantastic. What's your Instagram? Just at Jack Osborne and then my Patreon I think is at Jack Osborne as well and all that yeah so yeah I always love watching you I love talking to you it seems like it's forever we reunited somewhere where where we see we're like we in like was it in Florida or yeah I think it was in Florida yeah I was just like I like

I like that guy yeah I always yeah I have such a memory of like getting in a car with you at one point was it Mike McGinnis it was Mike McGinnis and we dropped you at your house yep and we had a good conversation had some laughs and that was it, but we, we had a moment. Yeah, yeah. And now we're here. Yeah. Thanks for, 20-something years later. Thanks for being here, man.

Thank you. This has been a real treat. Hey, thank you very much for having me. All right. All right. With Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside. So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime. That's the powerful backing of Amex.

Pre-sale tickets for future events subject to availability and varied by race. Turns and conditions apply. more at mx.ca slash y annex thank you jack uh love you buddy that was really great and uh hopefully you'll come back some time maybe you'll bring the family or somebody in the family anybody uh yeah that was really fun i really like that i really like that interview yeah nice guy yeah very insightful and pleasant i like when people are pleasant i don't like when people afterwards are like oh i'm to need the audio and video of that i'm going to really need to listen to this to make sure i mean occasionally i understand it but sometimes i'm just like you know what did you say what do you think

you said you didn't say anything racist you didn't say anything political you didn't say anything you know so you know it's like afraid afraid of your own words yeah anyway um they won't be listening to this no there's no no worries there um All right. Thank you for listening. And right now we have to go to the top tiers. These are the top tiers that give back to the show more than anyone. And I truly appreciate them. And here are their names. Are you ready, Ryan? I'm ready. Let's do it. Let's do it. This is Nancy D. Little Lisa, Uquico, Brian H. Ngo P. N. Rob L. Jameson, Jason, Jason, Jason W. Sophie M. Raj C. Jennifer N. Stacey L. Jamal F. Janelle B. Mike Eldon Supremo 99 more Santiago M. Maddie S.

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