Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - JAMIE KENNEDY: Fighting for Scream, Losing Parents & Changing Hollywood

Episode Date: September 12, 2023

Jamie Kennedy joins us this week to reflect on his tenured career making cult classics like Scream and Malibu’s Most Wanted, while pointing out how much the industry has changed and where he sees it devolving. Jamie was so open this week - he really got to us when he shared stories from his parents’ passing, the regrets he had throughout the process, and his advice on ‘cleaning your side of the street.’ We also talk about more Rotten Tomatoes conspiracies, his validation from Malibu’s Most Wanted, and the wild roller coaster of the Jamie Kennedy Experiment. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🧠Qualia Mind: https://neurohacker.com/iou 🟠 Discover: https://discvr.co/3Cnb1V8 __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Ryan, I'm having some back issues, not happy. I thought it was a kidney infection. I was actually hoping it was a kidney infection because I don't want more back problems. It's not. No blood in the urine. Just a lot of muscle pain. So bear with me.

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without you. We couldn't do this show. So if you want the show to stick around, please do it. Jamie Kennedy is someone I've known for years. And we did a little movie together. It didn't do that well. But we had a blast doing it. And that's the most important thing, which we forget. If you have fun doing something and it doesn't turn out the way you want, just look at it as a great experience. And Jamie was surprisingly open about life, career, health. It surprised me in a good way that I didn't know how open he'd be. And he really impressed me. And it was a fascinating interview. And I'm glad he came on the podcast. So Jamie, thank you. He texted me a couple weeks. He goes, like, is this going to air? We had a lot in the can. So it's finally airing. And we're very excited.

And without further ado, let's get inside of Jamie Kennedy. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Hey, folks, wanted to highlight something important before today's episode. In case you weren't aware, myself and many of the guests are on strike alongside SAG after NWGA. Today's episode, and any we air before the strike ends, were recorded before it began. So this is just a heads up in relation to some for the topics we may discuss.

If you want more info on the strike, visit sag afterstrike.org. Now let's get into it. How long have I known you? bro i'm going to say 25 years i think we met you want to know where we met isn't going to embarrass me no but you might be scared i shouldn't is it a spa i want to say 1999 or 98 playboy mansion playboy mansion and it was you tom arnold and no and tara reed you know why

and you're and go ahead and i just remember we were getting on the bus to go back. Because they take you in a bus up to the mansion because you can't drive your cars up there unless you're really big time. And it was like

some, one of the weird parties was my first party there there's only two good parties which is midsummer's and Halloween. Yeah. And this was like a sponsored like Geico or something

it was like a Sunday afternoon swim and it was like we were done at four and you're like all right like where's the after party like you were a gung-ho for four more parties. I mean, how old was I?

You were like 20 and I was like 20 for two And I was like, let's go I don't know if we found out Wow, I remember because it was right On the shuttle A lot of good relationships Are made on that shuttle There were

It was always the fun Just kind of letting go and laughing And yeah Yeah, oh yeah 20, wait it so I was with Terry We had just done Urban Legend And it hadn't come out yet Yep

And you Because you are like You're the scream guy I got a movie coming out Urban Legend I'm an urban legend guy So you're the guy Who is the original

and I'm like the third rate guy I would never call you third rate Michael well you know did it did it sort of not upset you but I'm sure like you're watching you're you got all the success and screaming all that stuff and all these spin-offs start happening you're like fucking rip-offs rip-offs where you like that or you're like you didn't care I mean I was so young so it's like you know it happens but I mean you definitely are like that's kind of like our movie or that's kind of like our movie but you know at that time everything was coming out yeah jeepers creepers I know what you do did, you know, so many different ways.

Yeah, that was a time. But we all got to work in them. Yeah, so I've known you. So you're saying I've known you for 25 years? We met then, and then we really didn't get to know each other until the WB days. And then we started doing the up fronts and hanging out. Then we went to the, I remember we went to the Golden Globes together. We had a good time.

We met Morgan Freeman. Yes. Oh, Jamie Kennedy. That's good, dude. I like the experiment. how often do you do that I never do it I never do more

I don't think I do a good dude that was good The only way I get into is like I remember the first day I met Andy Damn dude Is that good That's good You never do that on the show

Never do it on the show Dude I have ever done that I don't think it's because it's not one of my things But I know you do a lot of impressions I do I can't I mean I was That's how you kind of like You were that guy in

beginning when you were growing up and you were always doing impressions are they sort of dated now is what you think i well no dude i think a good impressionist i think a good impressionist is the holy grail to me i think it's so hard to do impressions so if you do them well it shows such a range of talent and i think wow yeah i but i don't know if people realize i don't know if they value them as much as i do because to me impressions are everything but i didn't know that i didn't know i didn't know i thought they were just like, oh, I have a good year and I kind of mimic voice. I didn't think I was it was a talent. It's a super

talent. Dude, off the cuff, you just did Morgan Friedman. I'm going to say that was 90% similar rate. Really? Do it again. Say, you've been next. You've been next. Is that really good? It's pretty good, dude. You know, I think my

good ones are like Dangerfield and stuff like that. Let's hear it. You got to close your eyes. Hey, I'll tell you what. We got, Jamie Kennedy here. Jamie, my wife told me to take out the trash. I said, hey, you cooked it. You take it out. All right. How are you? Bro, two for two. So I'm talented. Very talented. I always know, said that about you. You're an undervalued talent. Really? Yeah. You know what? I kind of feel that way. I mean, in a way, like, I'm like, hey, I can do a lot of stuff and I don't get the

opportunities to do the stuff that I think I could do. Bro, you're a great conversationalist. You can do many impressions you can do characters you're never fake on film thanks i mean sometimes i could be fake no you're you're always in the moment really even when we're doing kicking at old school that's right we had it was a fun movie but you are always in the moment like it was real yeah even though it was a comedy and that's what makes it funnier as you know play comedy real and i remember you would always throw shit at me you'd be all the time rosy rosy try this try to do this do this do this do it like oh yeah it's funny it's funny yeah it was it was like did you like that or no i loved it i love when people throw shit at me i don't i don't like i don't like when they say hey instead of

saying this line when she says that say this line and then when she says that's it i can't sometimes i can't put my mind together to wrap it around to connect i'm thinking too much i like to kind of have it for a minute but it's like throw words out or throw like little change that sentence say this I'm okay. Can you do that? Are you good like that? Yeah. I like to improv. Improvizes one thing, but when they're throwing things at you to say. Oh. Oh, like the exact words. Yeah. I get me. When you do like a procedural and you leave an ann out and they're like, and the body was. There's nothing worse than that. It's like, come on, dude, this is all this exposition. No one gives a shit. Yeah, I know. And you did. done that i've done a lot of that well uh whisper ghost whispered did you have a lot of that

expositional sort of like i i'm trying to tell us yeah in as simplest way we we were the number one show on friday yep and i was a guy that sometimes well wait a minute the ghost was at 33rd anderson but if it went two blocks down and then the ghost came back to 32nd street it was all this stuff and i would mess the street up and i'm like do people really care if it's anderson or or atherthin, you know what I mean? And they'd be like, well, the street name is Anderson. And I'm like, look, here, show my exposition, cut to the ghost, cut to J.E. Lowe's face,

number one on Friday. That's all you need. Don't worry. Did you get annoyed? Did you get annoyed with people on set? Like the writers going, guys, fuck. No, I didn't, but I just laughed because they were already number one before I got there and they're already number one

when we were canceled. So I was like- Why was it number one and canceled? We're number one on Friday night We're at top 10 show And they canceled it Yeah Did 100 apps

I don't know You know how this works Yeah It's just no memory The studio might not been getting the deficit Or But the ratings that you had then If it was on now

They'd be like Oh this is gold Insane Because there's too many shows now Too much content There's just too much content It overwhelms me I always say this

But like you know It's like going to the it's like you know you go to a hot dog stand what do you want i'm i'm gonna get a hot dog and a soda but like you go to jerry's deli and there's like these giant pages of items i know it's too much and it's just it confuses me it's too much hot dog it's too much hot dog no one can win with all that dog so what's a lot of dog but do you like the fact that there's so many streaming platforms now or do you like the old school where it's less shows better content or do you think there's better content and i think there's better content at times but there's also a lot of

lot more shit you think there's better content now some yeah that's it's interesting no no i'm saying there's some great content but there's more bad stuff than ever okay here's what i would say when you and i were popping off in the beginning we were blessed by the establishment and so that's a badge of honor and it was like it was a very narrow lane so if we got picked to walk in it it was like yes now there's less barrier to entry almost no barrier to entry but that makes it more democratized but it makes which which is annoying is the people running traditional Hollywood are more overthinking than ever so that there's never been more places to show stuff and I've never seen more overthinking yeah but yeah I mean there's so much you can't you can't

consume it. I mean, Snap has networks. Snap. Chick-fil-A. Chick-fil-A as a network? Chick-fil-A is getting content. TikTok is adding channels. Like, it's everywhere. From traditional to streaming, two cable, to, yeah. Dude, do you know how many pilots CVS is going to make this year?

I know. Scripted pilots. Three. What did they used to make? 15. 22? three let that sink in three there's no pilot season anymore there it's literally we lived in a time yeah where it's like i'd see you at an audition like there's these this many shows this is already

greenlit yeah i want to get this this is now it's like put yourself on tape or uh me with the director on a zoom yeah that's what's crazy there's no connection there's they can't read you on a freak you know No. That's what I know. That's why the business is different from me now, in my opinion. It's just not as... Intimate. Yeah, it's not as glamorous. Inside of you is brought to you by Quince. I love quince, Ryan. I've told you this before. I got this awesome $60 cashmere sweater. I wear it religiously. You can get all sorts of amazing, amazing clothing for such reasonable prices. Look, cooler temps are really. going in. And as always, Quince is where I'm turning for fall staples that actually last. From cashmere to denim to boots, the quality holds up and the price still blows me away. Quince has the kind of fall staples you'll wear nonstop, like Super Soft, 100% Mongolian cashmere sweaters, starting at just 60 bucks. Yeah, I'm going to get you one of those, I think. I like to see you in a

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how's the family fine cool how's mom not bad cool any uh anything cool going on nah so Nate, who's not very talkative, starts going, I go, how was last night? Because I was in Indiana recently. And he goes, I go, what'd you do? He goes, well, couldn't sleep. I go, why not? He goes, I don't know, but I started watching Milf Manor. And I go, okay.

And this show, he says, is about these 48 to 60-year-old women, Milfs. Yeah. With 20-year-old men who like Milfs. but that's not even the best part of it get ready get ready for the twister okay i love what they're filming when they reveal the kids i say kids because 20s you know you're young they're all the milf sons so the sons are having sex with different milfs as the milfs having there were some there are sons around it's a train wreck and i had to watch it just because i was like just i have to and I was up till 4 in the morning like Nate

watch an eff and milf man how many apps eight what's it on this is my whole joke it's on the fucking learning channel no TLC is making milf manner here's where you're gonna learn kids you're gonna learn how to F

a 60 year old woman it's teaching dude are you kidding me I can't make this shit up man wait a minute so all the dudes who are stupin there are other milf's kids so it's one big DNA fest one guy's having sex with four different milfs one milf is having sex with four different guys not as mom not the mom they never go mom to son oh no that would be yeah that would be incest milf manner but i mean how much weird weirder can you be and it's like and who created you know what upsets me out of all this mastermind here's how my effed up mind works wait one dude's

taken down four moms at least three really yeah and one sorry for you listen if you're listening i hope you're interested this one this one so they put the these little uh uh notes stick it notes on a bill on a like a a a a board right they do have sticky notes and it says there's quotes There's like, oh, not quotes, but there's like, I had sex in an elevator with my boyfriend once in a movie theater. I had this. I had this. So they're going that night, they all, all the young kids asked their moms. They guess what their moms put.

And their mom, one of the moms goes, he goes, you were the elevator? And she goes, no. And he goes, well, what were you? I had sex with your best friend. And the kid almost starts crying. It's real and it's just, she's. starts crying because she didn't realize how upset he'd be somehow. Yeah, it's a train wreck.

The mom told the son that she effed her his friend. His best friend. Oh, God. Could you imagine your mom banging your best friend? And your friend, yeah, dude, that's going to ruin their friendship. How could you do that to me, both of you? You sluts. Anyway, nothing about Milt Manor, but yes, the whole industry is like, you know,

and by the way, this is why it's messed up. In my crazy mind, I'm thinking, I would have come up with that and they wouldn't have bought it. Yeah, it's true. That's ridiculous. Why would we do that? But some asshole pitched it sold a show, Melf Manors, making hundreds of dollars. Yeah. You know?

That's true. How many shows do you think you've pitched since you started? I mean, I've had two shows that I produced and starred in, and I have. another six pilots or variants of series that I got on air six that you were part of either wrote produced or acted in yeah no it's eight but six I wasn't on camera so let's say that's ridiculous out of how many well like some went 30 apps some went six some went pilot but what about the ones that didn't get made or I've out of shows I've probably pitched I would say it's more it's not as many as you think, but it's one show, a lot of pitches. I pitched one show, 23

networks, and everyone laughed, and they never bought it. So at least a hundred different ideas I've taken around multiple times. And you've had eight that. Yeah, about eight percent. That's, it's not terrible. That's really good. Yeah, but I never got past the 60s, like I had one more season for syndication. Do you know what I'm saying? Like my show would have been one more season syndication and then boom jame jemmy kennedy experiment experiment yeah which why was it like you know i know it was canceled after two seasons but it was the highest rated show it was like it was why would why did they just let it go so quickly i'll tell exactly why so we got to show we were making the show the show the show is like when things in hollywood are made good i believe they're made kind of on a fluke right so the show

started because jordan who is a great guy love him gave, you know, us very big breaks, Jordan Levin. He was running the network, and he was, he was cool. He was like us. He was like a young guy. You're right. He loved to go to Morton's. He loved to drink wine.

Always smiling. He's always happy. He knew pop music. He was fun. He was in, and Suzanne Daniels also young and exciting. And the WB was this new place where I've never. never seen programming for younger people, let alone a whole network dedicated to it, right? That was like young, Y.A. And it was Sarah Michelle was like, you know, the poster child.

Yes. Yeah. So he was a big fan of comedy. And he says, I want you to do a tape for the salespeople. And he says, I want you to go and do a prank on them. And you're going to play there a big guy. you're going to play the network's nephew who's got ideas for products and they're going to film it and they filmed it and I was in there pitching like Coca-Cola salesperson

I'm like let's go back to the original formula bro he's like what do you mean I'm like a little cocainea you know like people need more energy Red Bull's killing you let's figure this out Colombian Coke like the guy was like so everything was a new product that I would just give it the Swiffer like all these different products

great reactions huge thing played it at the up fronts as a as a break in between show and shows so they're showing you smallville or you know seventh heaven they're showing a break and this show was shown as the break it killed it was the perfect thing because it was on the advertiser so it wasn't sold yet no it was just a it was literally it was like a a sysl interstitial to keep people happy as they're showing new shows and keeping the advertisers happy. Were you surprised that it went this well? I knew it went well, and I knew that if it did something, he's a creative guy, so it would have been an idea. It was perfect because we played it at the place that were people were buying the stuff,

and it was their friends who were getting pranked. It was like, you know, 2,000 people in New York killed, and he's like, we got to do a show. Like that night, he's like, we got to do a show. Okay, so it takes off and boom, numbers are great and all that. So yeah, then we do it, takes. off numbers are great and then second year uh we're traveling more orders the whole season the third year get the whole season order a ton of cities corporate sales what happened was there was a corporate

restructuring and the head of i want to say warner brothers tv changed and so jordan left and new guy came in And axed it. Fat was trimmed. You were one of the few that got to stay, and we got, we got axed. A lot of us got axed. How hard is it for you? How hard was it for you then when something gets canceled compared to how you react now? I'll tell you a couple things.

What's crazy is, is that Comedy Central was dying for the show. This is going to be, this is so a good moment for you. Like, it hurts me. Two places wanted it. ABC family and Comedy Central. Comedy Central was begging for the show. They said, we're going to pair it with Chappelle. The studio or somebody in ownership goes,

we're not going to sell it to you unless you take all episodes produced. And they didn't, they did, because they were planning on doing more seasons. And they said, no, we're just going to buy what we want now. And he goes, you know, you have to take all future episodes. And they said, no. That deal was killed. and they sold it to ABC family. ABC family ran it for six weeks

and then said, we're changing our mandates. So it was gone in six weeks. Comedy Central. Meanwhile, Cappell blows up because of reruns because of the DVDs. Would have got that second window, I believe. So when it was canceled, though,

I was doing a lot. I was doing movies. I was doing stuff. So I was like, okay, it was a good run, an amazing springboard. I'll look at my next thing. But when it went down, I had a few other things go down, and then I was definitely bummed.

Would I be as bummed as I would? I would not be nearly as bummed now, but then I was pretty damn bummed. Like would it, how to, do you remember the feeling of like, you know, just waking up every day was hard? Was that, are you that kind of guy who gets depressed? Like, I deal with depression. I deal with anxiety where you sort of like can't get out of bed.

I'm a failure. Is that where your mind goes? I remember, I had a series of a few things, bomb, and I definitely, I remember I was having parties at my house a lot. It was me and my buddy Stu. Stu. Okay. Yeah, so Stu would come over, and he would bring people, and we would hang out.

I remember drinking, like, wine, and I was, I remember eating what, I remember just not giving a shit. So I was definitely. Self-destructive. I mean, not. Yeah, I wasn't like, I was like, let's get back on the horse, but I was like, this is, I needed to vegetate. So I was just, yeah, I was doing whatever I wanted to do. And it wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't destructing myself, but I wasn't exactly being proactive.

And I did that for about eight months. Eight months. I'm just, but like, going and gorging on sushi, coming back, going to a club, hanging out all night, a lot of six. Filling the void. Yeah, a lot of six amers. Do you know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah, we've all been there.

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but people don't realize that you give your soul to something. Passion. Yeah, when it is stopped, it is like you're getting cut off. It's like instant. That's like why reviews can be so brutal. You work a year, a year and a half on something, and people just lacerate it with the swipe of a pen. And sometimes they do it because for some reason they don't like you.

Yeah. Oh, big time. Or they're trying to get clicks. Or they're trying to be funny. it's like i always tell it man you can't really judge a man to you walk in his shoes and it's like our our business is incredible we are so fortunate yes but what did we do to get there what have we given up what have we you know we are laser like focus i didn't and have normal relationships i don't have normal friendships like i don't have hobbies i don't have like dinner nights you know what

you do this is yeah there's like what do you'd like to do for fun where's the there is no fun my life is my fun like when i'm on set it's the funest thing ever but like to get there is a fucking marathon and people don't realize that they're like oh you know what i'm saying so we are animals and we cannot stop until we keep going and even robin williams brilliant he's like he's like 80% of our of our job is getting the job and that's robin williams yeah i mean some people like in the industry a lot of people will you know do it things for fame i just want to be famous and then people do it because they just love doing it i know guys like yourself i don't care what i'm doing i want to work i want to be on a show i want to be acting i want to just do i'll keep

i'll keep doing it and that's what they love and it's i feel like it is so much a part of them that that's all they've known and that's all they know maybe that they can't change that's like if they don't work they're not going to be happy yeah i've definitely through covid now have had an adjustment and through our business which has changed drastically i believe in the last six years but now there like for instance i'm going out with with another guy who's very known because it used to be just you pitch an idea like and you would just talk at lunch and be like okay write it up and blah blah blah that's You know how gone those are.

So now you've got to stack your deck. So I'm with another guy who's a big producer. He has a deal. We're going out. And out of 10 networks so far, four have passed to hear it. Four. Passed to just hear it. To hear it.

Four. Now, you remember what we said earlier about the numbers. Four don't even want to hear it. Now, why? Do they not like me? Is there mandates? You know what I'm saying? Like, and this is a person that's also very,

successful so it's wild like that is and that just is like it's hurtful well no it's just like if i can't even get to the table when i've already eaten and fucking done everything like well i mean i'm looking i'm not invited anymore yeah no it's like it's like and and for what i'm fighting for a two market share like to get through all these hoops for less of a viewership i'd rather just go on ticot you know but also like why to me it's like hey he's had a lot of success he's done some successful things let's just hear him out it's it's 20 minutes well because people are now you know there's a lot listen how can i say how can i say this say it there's a lot of different mandates now and so sometimes where you and i i i've there's certain things that people

just don't want to see me for because of who i am do you know what i'm saying and i think that's okay but it's like yo it's not the best man win as much as it used to be do you agree with that absolutely i think that like if you have a great idea i don't give a shit who who did it whose idea is it let's let's let's hear it let's uh and also they're doing a disservice maybe to their network because it could be something that could be very beneficial to them yes so it's it's changed a lot and it's just like so i mean it's just the ratings aren't the same you know it's just a wild time So the business to me is lost a little bit of a shine.

And I'm not bitter, man. I'm like, lucky I'll have a great life. Yeah. And I'm lucky I've become somewhat of an entity so I can always keep going. But it's just like, you know, I either self-tape or I'll get an indie. You know what I mean? And hopefully one of those indies are great. Hopefully one of them pops.

Yeah. I mean, look, it just happened, which I love them. I'm sure you're good friends with, uh, uh, why do you just blow his name, Simon, Rex. Simon's killing it and think about it beautiful for a while Simon was just kind of like you didn't hear about him and all of a sudden a little indie movie yeah boom he's getting work everywhere and he was phenomenal and he deserves it and I love him and I'm so happy for him yeah but look that's every every big Hollywood story they want to see the underdog they want to see the guy that wants to get that gets back on top that's what a lot of movies are you know it's funny is a lot of those movies aren't made

anymore it's all just either you know dude how many auditions would you go on for a movie in a week back in the day at least a couple or a tv show you would go on two or three auditions a day for a movie think about this okay disney right Hollywood pictures Buena vista three different divisions each making what 12 13 movies a year 38 39 movies okay I remember going on three movies in a day for them. And like one week I had like six movie auditions. Now what does Disney make total? Eight movies a year, 400 million a movie?

And they're usually animated or something. Well, some are animated, but then the rest are like 12 stars, super. Right, right. So there's the mid-level to eight to $10 million movie is done. And so it's just like, how can we make this huge piece of pop culture Americana? How can we turn it into a ride? can we do it like where are the urban legends those are going to streaming where are the screams i don't would scream be made you know the original idea you know i see you know i have to really search because

i don't use rotten tomatoes as a gauge anymore because it's absolute bullshit yes because and everybody who knows movies or anything about movies next time you look at a movie and it says 95% watch that movie and also look at the audience score which is usually significantly lower look at the audience store not rotten tomatoes i saw there's something completely messed up with that because the movies that i find good a lot of times are like the 52% 58% yeah but the 90s are always crap or not not always crap but they're always they're never they're mostly not as good as you know these critics say they are so you're saying the critics are conspiring together i don't know i like i like uh conspiracy theories i will say that i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i'm

saying i'm not saying this the audiences will pick a movie that works that they may not like but the it'll be killing with the audience but you can manipulate an audience by saying 95% on rotten tomatoes and everybody rushes to see it and you make your money and then they're like yeah that was like a 75 maybe maybe a 70 man that wasn't a 90 who's he's doing that and they're all they're fucking all like that and then i'll dig on shutter to find some little horror independent movie from 2,000 seven called isolation which is like an independent movie of the thing and alien combined and i'm like going fuck yeah um dude you just woke up i did reason right before you got here i did too but you just woke up yeah i just like and i'm not look man i i was i like it it does it's passion

it's passion because i just like i just i really buy into it i'm like god they can't look wow 70 critics said this 200 critics gave it a 98 it's got to be great yeah i'm like what am i missing and maybe i just don't know no good anymore maybe i'm just so jaded maybe i'm just not i don't know what good is anymore maybe it's hard to i don't know i don't know bro think about it when's the last time you see a comedy i can't tell you the last comedy that i saw oh milf manor was pretty funny exactly but that's what you're going for your comedy when's the last big comedy movie they're not making them they're not greenlining them yeah you're right they're not let me ask you this i like this this is good you do this is great okay good i like that you're yelping it in the

middle of it what yelping it guys five stars yelp i'm just like looking back like i read like you know you first started you were doing extra work you're working red lobster do you ever look back and go dude with all the success and some failures whatever that hey man look i'm i'm here still i'm here look what i've done are you able to do that or you kind of don't look back and you're just looking forward uh well i love denzel and he's always like my favorite movie is my next one and I think that's a brilliant mindset um but no I definitely because of all the stuff we're talking about I definitely feel like I don't sit and revel in my life but I'm definitely know I'm fortunate and I'm like I'm a thing I know how much money I have like in terms of like

what's safe and I'm like know the part of legacies I've been a part of like I've been a part of some pretty cool legacies yeah i've also done some you know movies that only coming out on pakistan red box you know right these things happen and but i do feel that i'm very i'm i yeah i feel good like i many people tell me that our generation is the last generation of true fame and after us it was all social media and different. And there have been people that come out, legacy stars like Jennifer Lawrence and Channing Tatum. Yeah, terrific actors. Yes, but not as many as they were. Now it was like, there's a lot of social media stars in there. If you don't have a following, you're saying,

then you know, you're not a movie star. Well, no, like we were traditional fame made, picked by the establishment. Right. We didn't have any built in audience or like we didn't know what we were. We didn't have a video that go viral for us like, you know, slipping on something. or you know a fake prank or you know what I'm saying yeah so I get it and good and good for them no good for them but like Jen or like Jen Ortega now is the next mega star you know she's a new legacy star but again there's not many people of this caliber where in our day more people would come out you could have a couple people pop and so I'm very fortunate that I have made a name and I don't sit and revel in it but I do know that yeah I've done something and I'm lucky yeah are you

Are your parents still with you? No, the past, but thank you for asking. When? The last seven years, my dad was about six and a half years ago. My mom was about three years ago. I'm sorry. That's okay. How hard was that?

It was, I mean, well, my dad was easier because he was going down, and then my mom was also going down. And they lived to almost 90, so I was a late. But it doesn't make it easier. No, but it's, I have some, you know, some issues of my mom's death, I've processed it a lot. Issues like how? Just, you know, having these last conversations that I didn't really get to have.

But we had them throughout her life. But, you know, you want, I was there so much and we tried to, I tried to time it. My sisters tried to time it, you know. And then she just went in her sleep, which I guess is a good thing. But to, I was there with my dad. My whole family was holding my dad. hands looking in his eyes as he died that's like insane but it's like literally picture perfect charles dick and death like it was like ever wonder how dark the world can really get well

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I got to keep my life going, so I tried to schedule it. Well, you know that they were proud of you, right? I hope so. I really hope so. Do they tell you? Did they say, I love you, Jamie? I'm proud of you. They did during my, as my career was going, and there were moments.

But I didn't have that end of life conversation with my mom, which I'm kind of bummed about. But we had it throughout her life. Yeah. But my sisters will say they, look at all the stuff they said about you and blah, blah, blah. But, you know, you question you. I think let me ask you this this is selfish go and I don't know how to articulate it take your time but we've covered a lot of things but when your parents are dying yeah or even before they're dying where are you almost like saying you know I'll be okay I'm prepared I'm like I feel like

and it's weird like I feel like I'm going to be fine I'll know how to deal with it I don't want to happen and then it hits and it's completely different or were you sort of like what was the juxtaposition what was the feeling before and the feeling after could you prepare yourself for it um do you have both your parents i do okay that's beautiful it is but there's you know there's there's a lot of history there's a lot of things that will never be talked about and they just won't be okay and um but i have forgiven and um i think i'm fine with it but my uncle who's a psychologist retired so whatever but he said to me he goes i said something you know about my mom and he goes you know because death got brought up she goes you know you know you might want to you should definitely

see a therapist and talk to a therapist about this and i go but what i just don't know how well you're going to do when your mom passes and i go what do you what are you saying i mean it's like because i he knows the history and knows all these things and and i'm like since you know all this why are you saying that but he thinks it's going to affect me differently than i think which kind of scares me so i'm not exactly sure what to do but you know because there's a lot of resentment in my family there's a lot but i've also again let it go as much as i can a lot of therapy a lot of that stuff but there comes a time when it happens you're like and i you know she always said this and this was manipulative

She said, you only have one mother. Mm-hmm. And as a kid, you think about that, you only have one mother. You only have one mother, no matter how good, how bad, how complicated, how whatever, you do. And it's unfair to be told that, to think that. Mm-hmm. So I guess for me, I'm just, you know, if there was sort of a before feeling and after feeling and what that was, if that makes sense.

Yes. my father was a huge smoker so he told us how many packs a day two and a half three i'm talking vice roy's bro for years decades he started when he was 13 he died when he was 86 bro deep in the game like he should be a he would probably live to 180 if he didn't smoke so at like 83 he said i got a little cancer he called me one day one day he called me one day and he said a little him and my mom called and he's like I got a little thing on my lung and I said what are you going to do and he goes nothing and I'm like why and he's like I don't want to go through that so that was the hardest time processing that you're going to lose a parent again I had him for

43 years up into that point and I was the youngest of six kids and they were already older parents So I was already understood that I had older parents, not like other kids. So that started the clock. We got him a lot of different therapies and natural stuff. And he did them, but he didn't care. He was done living before we were done letting him live. And that's what I learned is you got to let people live their own life. It's like, we were trying our hardest to save him.

And he was like, people have to want to be saved. Yeah. And he had lived. And my dad was a beautiful, soul, complicated figure, but he slowly, slowly went. And I had an amazing doctor for him because I was doing a show called Heartbeat on NBC. So it was based on this amazing female cardiologist.

And so she hooked up with the best doctors in the world. And so I'd have them come in. But we, you know, he slowly went. So after I got through that first shock of him telling me that, you know the day was going to come. It became a love, beautiful, best. I had a gig. I ran back because my sister's like, it's not good, made it back, and he didn't go that day, but he went a week later. So like I said, the death was beautiful.

So you're saying you were like, like I did with my grandfather, you were mourning him as he was slowly going on. Yes, letting him know. And, dude, to be quite frankly, I was talking to him, trying to be deep. And he was like, can you give me my coffee? Like, like, you're like, yeah, like hey dad I love you okay great can you take me to the toilet like people are just trying to survive which made me feel better you know what I'm saying uh so I I enjoyed him my other boy his dad was dying the same time kind of died similar so I enjoyed it my mom what did you just say my other buddy his father was dying the same time and so we were both kind of going good so when he died, it was sad, but it was a celebration.

But I felt bad for my mother. Yeah. Because my mother lost her hip. This was her hip. 58, maybe, I think 60 years, bro. I was able to throw them a huge 50th anniversary party. All my family was in a great event. And I think they did.

I think it was either 59 or 60, 60 years, bro. That's, and heard of. You and I, we can't be. minute for what, 60 seconds? No. You know, it's like different world. So, his was a

beautiful passing. My mother's, we knew she was going to go to, but she kept coming back. And I filmed, I was filming a CSI episode and I told them and they're like, they were so sweet, they rearranged it

so I could go back. I'd go back. She didn't pass. I'd doing a stand-up show. I quit, went back. And she just kept And she lasted for a good four more years. Jeez. And so it was incredible. And they say that people will stay alive for you, you know, and we give them that energy. But she literally at the end of her life, this is not, like, she was almost like a head.

Like she was just like, hey, can you put that blueberry in my mouth? Like, I mean, I was like so, she had all lost functions. So it was almost a relief for her. Like I said, I have some things of like not holding her hand, not looking in her eyes, not saying, mom, I love you, talk to you on the other side. Those moments. But again, people say that's a perfect ending. But I felt almost a relief for her pain.

I know that sounds crazy. She was a month out of that. That's being human. Yeah. And then, but how I felt after that, dude, I'll tell you two things. I felt like I'm alone. Because I have brothers and sisters, but, you know, we have some good relationships, some complicated.

And I have a huge family. But I talk to them more now, like cousins and different. people that's nice i felt like i'm alone but i'm also free yeah do you know what i'm saying i do i know exactly what you're saying and i've been my yeah i've been my parents parents since i was about 28 years old me too i've been taking care of them well my mom my mom for me so it was like i'm like i'm already kind of been my own parent and like for the first year i was like oh my gonna like no one's give i'm always doing my own money it's like you don't have to worry anymore no like it's almost like as as bad as it might sound it's like them passing is sort of also a relief for them

but also a relief for you and you can not have to worry and not have to be there all the time and not have to like yeah it's emotional and exhausting and it's like you know it's almost it's crippling and there's a there is a quantum entanglement like when my mother died I felt her pole my mother's a very strong presence you know gave me my moral back when my father did too but my mother was like made me a good boy you know what i'm saying like i do obey the laws in a lot of ways but i'm also very lash back at the system but she gave me morals my mother would never still a penny and so when she died i felt this presence leave me but i do know that she's imbued me with these beliefs that will never leave me in like you said i'm free to like literally like i'm kung fu remember kung fu

like walk the earth so every you feel like you can now you're ready to live i mean we live i mean we live but i know what you're saying like let it go and live more yeah like sometimes you don't do things in your life because you're like what what my mother think but then part of me is like yeah yeah she's not here but then part of me's still like well my mother like that my brother says that he'll say like with mom like that like don't do that you know what i'm saying so it's still she's dead let it be exactly good lord there's a lot of there's amazing too there's a lot of feelings but at the end of the day i'm going to tell you this make your peace bro i can't tell you this make your peace look in your mother's eyes tell her you love her and then

find make sure that she's proud of you that what you've done what you've achieved and going on this world and then just clean your side of the street that's all i can tell you get me emotional kennedy And time will heal. Time heals. Like, there are certain things of my mother's death that I was like a little bit still, like I said, unsettle with. Time has been the great regulator.

And time makes the lovers feel like they got something real. But you and me, we got nothing but time. And time won't give me time. You got to pay royalty, but the brilliance of George Mike. actually it's a culture club it's um i mean uh boy michael george oh see see that that's the 5g listen i love you and i want you to do that it's i will i well it wasn't a deterrent it wasn't me deflecting but it was but i am still i hear you um you said something about eight minutes ago

you said you know you and i were single why are we single this and that you're 52 i'll be 51 i have a girlfriend now how long a couple years that's awesome I know do you well let me ask you uh do you feel like there was is a pressure in your later years

where people you'd always hear whether it'd be your mom we could have a single combo go ahead whether it's your mom your dad your brother whatever did you feel like our friends were saying like yeah this is great you know you're single a lot of times now you're not but you don't want to be alone when you get older that's that's that's the reason everybody says that's the reason you just gotta find someone so you're not alone i want to find

someone that i want gives me the reason not to want to be alone yeah yeah so what's your question it really is more rhetorical um i would say look the death there's a couple of things here dude we're going here it's like the deaths have changed me and COVID has made give me another perspective. And our business, the way I believe it's changed is giving me a lot of perspective. So I remember I would walk around my house and I'd be alone.

And, you know, we would have different friends come over. And I would be like, I love my freedom. But yes, our life can be, I love my alone time. But our life can also be lonely. Do you know what I'm saying? That's why you see people hang around people that aren't exactly good for them just because they want somebody next to them. You know, so for me, I've gone through a lot and my girl has been there through the hell.

That's when you know. And she's been, she's the most beautiful soul. And she's, and I don't talk about it publicly. So this is, again, I'm sharing this with you. But she's, you know what she is, dude, more than anything? She's sweet. She's sweet. and I love a sweet person.

And it makes you sweeter, doesn't it? Totally. Like, I always tell her this. I would always tell any woman in L.A. I don't kick puppies. And you know what I mean by that? These women, they come out. They try to be so tough and fucking, you know,

it's a cover. And I'm like, be vulnerable. Be vulnerable. I will not take advantage of that. But some. guys do yes you're correct you are and so that's why there's like a lack of trust right i agree right but and i guess me yeah you're right and that's not fair to me to say but it's also fair to me to say like there are certain people that just have walls up and it's like yes let's build a trust here

and you'll realize it maybe your wall and when's when the walls will come down you're vulnerable i will protect you but you're right there are monsters out but more importantly what i think you're saying too which i'm getting from from you is that um the only time you're ever going to really find true love is when you are vulnerable when you're both let down the walls and let each other in and take a chance i think that's what i'm gathering is that you know my therapist i went to this place because i was really depressed and stuff and i just wasn't a good place a couple years ago was it a rehab like a treatment center but i wasn't on drugs or alcohol i've never been that how long do you do three weeks in malibu no in connecticut wow and um uh zach levi actually

recommended it to me because we have a lot of deep conversations and shit and um uh this guy's old guy dr kessler yeah and he goes and after all these sessions weeks he goes you know what i think And I go, I don't. I'd like to hear it. He says, I think when you allow someone to love you, that's when you're going to be happy. That's when you're going to thrive. Allow someone to love you.

You don't trust it. And it was like, I cried right in front of him. I was like, oh, my God, I have tried. I know why. I know why. We've talked about all these. okay look this is amazing

I mean I love this this is good so you didn't think it was going to go so deep did you I didn't know well with comedians mostly you think oh we're just going to joke back but I like to like this is real shit I like that yeah wait

okay can I comment on that yeah here's what happened because your mommy issues are that's what's affecting sure sure and you wouldn't blow that off

no I'm not blowing off I'm like there's yeah you're not wrong but I will say this I it's I didn't expect it to be in a relationship I'm like you you know what I'm saying we live our life we to dawdle around the world and I'm in one and I'm fortunate you know but like again I've past 50

I have a lot of things happen to me and like the universe put me in her together also you told me back and back in the day I had no idea that you you've talked about it openly but you have you have always had a kidney thing I have a kidney I only have one kidney what now what does that mean

because you could obviously live with one kidney you're here with us right now but is it do you have to be more thoughtful of how you eat and drink because you only have one kidney I think so but you don't My doctor doesn't say, you know, you can live with a quarter kidney. You can live with a quarter kidney. And so I have one whole kidney and you know, it's fine.

Why did they remove the other one? Because it was, there was something happening. It's something called a urator and that was twisted up. And through that urine was not escaping. So throughout years, a tiny percentage of urine stayed in my kidney, which basically poisoned it and killed it. So it was killed by not getting rid of the waist. And you didn't know it.

You could have probably corrected it many years before that. Definitely. How old were you when this happened? 24 when I had the procedure, but I was feeling weird for up since I was about 16, but little bits. Every, like twice a year I'd get a weird pain and it would go away. Did you think you were going to die? Kidney, I mean, I guess, but not terribly because my doctor was so confident. But I definitely felt like, what's that mean?

Only have one kidney. And he's like, you don't need more than one. You go to court. It was some German. I don't know if that's German. But he was a sweetest guy. And he educated me. So I knew I would party and do everything.

But I don't, I haven't drank in a while, not because of like, I'm sober or anything. Just because I saw myself in some, I saw myself on, I did an episode of Lucifer. And I was so puffy. And I'm like, I got like, easy on the fucking boozy. So I don't really drink in a while. I'm not saying I won't again. but i've really become like you know i just kind of like i like to do activities yeah you know you know it's funny is i was interviewing someone and their best friend was um helen hunt

and uh they she was talking about seeing herself because she's older now she's not like 20s 30s 40 she's in her 50s and she saw herself the director showed her some of her scenes and she went back to her best friend helen hunt and she said helen says how was the movie how she goes i saw some footage i i look so old and helen hunt looked at her and goes we're dying ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha brilliant and that puts things in their perspective right yeah we're dying we're getting old oh yeah you don't look older because you're older yeah that's uh i love that that really hit me i was like wow that's brilliant yeah I love shit like that.

You know, you've talked about it ad nauseum, but like, I just want to know because I don't know the story. You auditioned for West Craven for the Scream Stuff? Yeah. How many times? First time was for Lisa Beach. Back in New York? No, it's here. CBS Radford.

Ah. And she was looked at me the whole time. And she's like, that was really good. And like, you know, people say that, but you don't know, right? And then she goes, could you come back Thursday to meet the director? And I said, yeah, are you serious? She goes, yeah. And then I left and I didn't, you know,

doesn't know if it's going to real or not. And Katie Mason, my agent called and said, honey, you're going back Thursday. So then I went back, met West, very quiet. Yeah, I worked with him too, yeah. Did the scenes. And he was like, I was good. And I was like, does that mean it's good?

He's like, that was really good. And so then I was like, boom. Did you know all your lines inside out? No. That's what's great, bro. You can look at my audition tape. I'm holding the script. I'm looking down.

I'm improvising. Do you remember when directors like Wes, why they're the greatest? Because they play. It wasn't audition. It was play. And he saw. Yeah, he saw an essence.

When I got three kings, David O' Russell made me read for three different characters. He goes, go to the bathroom and learn. new stuff. Okay. And you come back. Nah, I don't like that. Go to the bathroom and learn this one. But you didn't learn it. You kind of just read. Yeah, I just did it. Then we improvised. We did it essence. It's essences. You know, now if you

miss one line on a fucking self-tape on a Zoom, you're dead to them. It's like, I mean, that's the difference between autores and corporate, you know, creative of art. Corporations can't make art. Autors do, you know. TV, art is not made by a committee. That is

my opinion. So it's made by a singular vision. So I went, I auditioned and then the crazy shit is is that I was filming Romeo and Julia and my agent called and says I have two auditions for you next Saturday. I was like six weeks down there and they go, you got to get back here, but they're not flying you back. One was a screen test for a movie, The Pest, and another one was a movie called Scream. and I went in and I killed at the past and then I went for scream and I think I did really good

but my hair was pink and there was like eight people in the room and they were like and I remember Marianne she's like your hair it's pink and I go I know and she goes why and I go because I'm doing Romeo Julia

I'm doing with Leo Leo you know Romeo Julia it's going to be a big Baz and she's like okay and like I'll just was like I'm gonna lose this walking job I'm like we could die I'll pay for the die job I can die it you know what I mean like I'm rapping in two weeks long story you know long we 10 podcasts to tell you how I got the job right but it was getting it losing it getting it losing it getting it losing it less love me the producers loved me the studio wanted a name I wasn't a name back and forth back and then west God rest the soul you know he said this is my

guy did you did you keep in touch with west or not really all the time he was um he was a father another father figure a beautiful soul uh i can tell you multiple stories about him he would have dinner parties he lived one of the coolest things i remember about this business was he lived up on yeah i know he signed it beautiful he lived up on solar solar drive big views beautiful beautiful beautiful views and his next to get to his little section you had to drive through like two other houses so it was like a little like uh what is that called like a cul-de-sac yeah and polly shore lived in the other one and polly when scream two opened up to number one he put a huge banner from across the cul-de-sac house to house and said congratulations

Scream to, like, biggest opening of November and history. Like, it was like the biggest opening of November or something. He says, congratulations. You killed it. It was so fucking beautiful. That's awesome. And I'll never forget it. And Wes loved it.

And he kept it up there. You know, and these are the stories that you don't hear, right? And because Paul, he knows how hard it is to make a movie, let alone a hit movie. And so Wes, would have these dinner parties and he would have different people from like Heather from she's coming on the podcast oh that's amazing yeah she had Angela Bassett

from uh you know vampire in Brooklyn uh he would have Robert he would have different of us from scream and his place was like this where he would have memorabilia from all different his different movies and uh next to his bed was this little frame of something and it was I said what is that and he said that's my hack license

and a hack license is the license to drive a cab in New York City and it said you know West Craven and the LACCabber whatever he's 1971, 1972 and I said why do you keep that next to your bed and he says because when I get up

every morning I look at it and I say to myself is just something I never want to go back to and the fear that he would have to drive a cab again fueled him to make movies I'm doing that tomorrow

four million dollar house huge legacy and he still has that to remind him dude not only that like the fear of that license put the fear in him and he scared us he's got three different universe

at least nightmare scream and hills have eyes three different universes that he created independently unbelievable you're coming back because you have so many stories i like i we haven't even i i never even look at this but it's like i there's so many things i want to talk to you about but um look this is these are questions rapid fire from my patrons these are patrons who support the podcast i love you guys go to patreon dot com slash inside of you join patron of the podcast. Leanne, what do you enjoy most about being part of the Screen franchise and what is your all-time favorite horror movie? Can I guess your favorite horror movie? Yeah. Shining. Ooh, it's a good one. It's right there. Or alien.

It's a good one. You're leaving out an exorcist. Oh, yeah. It's a good one. Exorcist might be the scariest, but shining is really good, too. You know what the scariest part of the Exorcist is? when she's at the uh on the bed and the priest looks out and goes quad nomin me he asked quad nomin me he asked and she goes lepum de matant and he goes and then also the the the dresser the the drawer goes opens and he goes do that again in time no do it now in time i was like Oh, I want to freak out. I love.

Dude, you're a plethora. I forgot how much of a pop culture junkie. How about The Shining when Nicholson, she runs in the room. What's her name? In The Shining. Shelly DeVall. Her character, though. Shelly DeVall.

Wendy. Okay. And she runs. Jack, Jack, they're someone in the room. Selling the hotel. They hurt Danny. They hurt Danny. goes you out of your fucking mind

one of my favorite old time moments jack moments give me the bat wendy not gonna hurt you you didn't let me finish my sentence Wendy I said I'm not gonna hurt you I'm just gonna bash your brains in I'm gonna bash him right the fucking does he do a lot of impressions

on this show? I don't do them all the time. Bro. I can make a living, maybe doing it. Why don't you? Weren't you doing stand-up for a little bit? I was, but then I got kind of disenchanted. You were going up.

I would miss you. You were on different shows. You were going on with Nick. It's sort of, what's hard for me is. You are an undervalued talent. And part of it's my fault. I think I let me get in the way. I don't know, bro.

I do. I think I let me get in the way of a lot. lot of things in life and that's something i need to get over but it's it's a it's a process the older i get in the last couple years have just kind of given me the uh the ability to start feeling like i don't need to do something because it makes my agent happy i don't have to do something because everybody thinks i should yeah i need to do things because i like doing them i enjoy doing them i want most importantly I want to do them you know and that seems so easy

like most people go I don't give a fuck what they think I don't do what I want I'll do what I want you know it's taking me a little more time this is Ray H what project have you worked on that you were the most proud of that's too hard to answer I know it's too hard but what's the one thing that you think or maybe the most proud of

and the most fun listen there's a lot of babies that I've been part of and given birth to some fortunate so I'm not trying to hurt anything but I would say Malibu's I'm really proud of because that was an idea that I had and to shepherd it all the way from my idea to concept of script to sale to movie to successful movie to now being this like cold hit that made me feel good and it validated me as a person to say oh okay my ideas actually are worse some yes I love that Kendrick F

just want to give a shout out to the movie Bongwater oh great cab and your character Tommy was legendary. Any funny memories from the set? Wow, Bong. That's like 26 years ago. It's a deep cut. I would say it was just an amazing cast. It was Luke Wilson, Jack, Brittany Murphy, God rest of your soul, Scotty Khan.

Why am I not on your podcast? I just started it. I'm going to start having people. What's it called? Hate to break it to you with Jamie Kennedy. Dude. Where can they find it? It's not out yet.

No, it's on. It's on YouTube. but it's going to be everywhere but it's on YouTube dude check it out for God's sakes but funny story bong water was great

I don't know I can't think I just remember You could also watch Thong water on TLC it's out now House of Joel Love Malibu's Most Wanted

Do you think that type of satire could be done today It should be It's needed more than ever but no because of political correctness how do you deal with haters right now have you learned to deal with haters do you still do you still read reviews do you still give a shit as much or does it still kind of hurt you no matter what don't give

a shit as much definitely if they catch you on a bad day as you know because we all can have a bad day they'll sting you i think a hater affects you the most when you're when you're at a point where you're most insecure about what they're hating on about you so if you're insecure about and they zing you, you will have a bad day with it. But I don't let them validate me. The best way to do it is if you find something that really hates on you, you click their profile.

And if they have 22 followers and their icon is an egg, then you know what I'm saying? Like what am I worrying about this? Yeah, but if it's like a, you know, I get surprised, and this could be a whole other pod, I can't believe the amount of people within our business sometimes that hate on other, like us,

Like I, as an actor, I would never hate on another actor, let alone publicly. But people do that now. And that's weird. That's cannibalism. Yeah. Those to me are people that never had success because it's a painful existence. Yeah. All they have is to let's, let's hurt someone else.

Let's throw hate out there because that's that somehow fills something for them, you know, briefly. Mm-hmm. What's next? I'm on tour. So you can see me. You go on my website. Yeah. Yeah, where are you in the next few cities?

Jamie Kennedy.com. Go to jamiecannity.com. I'm everywhere. Every week I'm on tour. And what do you? And I'm on at cons. I'm always going to cons. Yeah.

You got to come. I know you do them. I do cons too, but we just haven't crossed paths. Yeah. What is, is an hour long when people come see you? You do about an hour, an hour, an hour, 10. And what's you, like, can you give us a taste of something that you talk about? Or is it something you say for them?

I mean, you know, that's a whole bit, but like, I don't know. We want to talk like, uh, they know. You can go on my Instagram. You see some of my rants. And do you like talking about you? You're very self-deprecating. I have, yes. I have moments like that.

Right. How do you deal with bombing? Does it just not phase you anymore? Oh, it totally phases me. You don't like when you bomb? Well, I don't like, I don't mind bombing as much, but I hate it when the audience hates that I bomb and they think I stink. But it's not that I stink.

It's just that I'm trying new things. But you have to bomb in the right atmosphere. Because if you bomb when it's a big show, they're like, yeah, we paid for this. we don't want to see you bomb you ever get booed uh i definitely get some hate for sure i get heckled a lot still yeah oh yeah what do they what what would people say uh you're not funny you soft and what do you say um i said well i bought two houses exactly well and it's not like a dis of like because i did that i'm better than you it's because i bought the houses using the talent which you said i am not

you know what I'm saying like I didn't buy them as a plumber I bought them being funny which you said I'm not I love it so love it you know dice clay had one of the best lines a long time ago he would never be here right now doing this his comedy from yesterday year but he still does it but dice is up every week is he yeah he's still doing the same shit I don't know that he's everywhere I got to see him but anyway he I remember he was in Arsenio hall in circa 1990 something okay and arcinio was talking to him and this guy yells out get out of here we don't want you here and he goes look at you oh you the type of guy that gets out of his shower to take a piss why don't you turn your teeth around and bite your throat i was fucking i love when they have a comeback like shut the hell up yeah you know i'm up here you know as people don't understand like you're up there like it's you're alone and you're doing your thing yeah let him do his thing let her do a thing but now more than ever michael social media entitlement it's three things it's if you were raised with social media you are raised that

you have an opinion and you can tell it to people and it matters okay and then it's able to spread through social media and then gen z no offense the humor gene is gone i love gen z because they're compassionate generation and they're much more inclusive which is beautiful but they don't get sarcasm no and i would like to teach them a little bit of sarcasm and they can teach me a little bit more about being sensitive i like how he thinks i'm not saying i'm surprised by how good of a guest you've been But I'm surprised at how much better it even is that I thought it would be. Oh, thank you. No, because this is what it's about.

Like people, it's interesting. Everything we're talking about is interesting or, you know, you talk about, you know, death. It's just, I really enjoyed this. Thanks, buddy. I haven't seen you in a lot too long. I want to meet the girl. Yeah. Will you come back?

Yeah. I don't say that very often. I just really enjoyed this conversation. You're very open. I like that. I feel like I could say anything. and you know and that makes me want to go there's still more i would know like guys like like robert patrick who came on and michael bean from aliens and two these guys let go and they

fucking talk about what they want to say legends legends and jk simmons and talking about his brother's suicide and like i it's just real shit yeah and i appreciate you thanks for coming out love you buddy love you too man thank you there you have it i hope you enjoyed that interview um if you liked it please follow us on our socials at inside of you podcast on instagram and facebook ryan and at inside of you pod on the twitter join patreon to support the podcast if you liked it write a review it helps the podcast so much and uh ryan you doing all hanging in there are you as are we all yeah i'm just trying to hang in there uh it's just you know sometimes things happen and you just have to it's it's part of the equation it's like it's part of your life now

so like what do you do you just go okay uh hopefully this this will get better this will get better that's all you could hope for yeah man things happen that's all they ever do yeah yeah i took a nice pot taffy last night and that helped and i watched some stuff i watched some ghost hunters shit some ghost hunters but i mean that's kind of what the reality series is gonna be it's not we're not ghost hunters we're just two guys who love horror and are goofy and are gonna go see if stuff's really scary that what if you actually have like a ghost experience like a i'll ship my pants yeah if i have a ghost experience um everyone will know they'll know because i'll i'll be so animated and oh yeah i'll be emotional about it i'm sure so it's called scared it won't come out

till next year but um you know a lot of cool stuff going on and um hoping the strike will end so um people can start getting back to work and all that um things are slowly happening it looks like on that front slowly happening i think things are starting to ameliorate did you watch a spelling bee last night too it's a word that i learned in word power in high school and i use it it means to become better ameliorate ameliorate i lost a spelling bee in fourth grade once on the word autumn because i was a ut t you i got i got ahead of myself and i forgot the you really i was so bummed well at F you, Ryan, for missing that.

I have not forgotten. I was in a spelling V2, and first they do the whole school, and I got narrowed down to the top 10, but I wasn't, I was a decent speller, but I wasn't a good student. But like, anytime there was competition or something, I would, I remember my teacher, Mrs. Meyer, she would teach us, she taught us a lot of things. There are very few good teachers in my life. She was one of them, but the spelling of encyclopedia. She taught us in song.

E-N-C-Y-C-L-O-P-E-D-I-A. She also taught us the linking verbs. Is-M-R, was, were, be being been, has have had, do, does, did. Shall, will, should, would, may might, must, can, could. That's cool. Yeah. And now she's in the soap game. What do you mean?

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