Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Jamie Lynn Sigler

Episode Date: November 6, 2018

Jamie Lynn Sigler (The Sopranos, Entourage, Dark Ride) discusses landing a role at such a young age, what it was like working alongside the late James Gandolfini, marrying and divorcing her manager when she was in her 20’s, and how being diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis has affected her career. Jamie discusses the juicy details of the long lost love (spoiler: it’s me) that got away because she was running around with Mark Sanchez in New York. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. I'm sitting down with a very beautiful, very talented Jamie Lynn Sigler. Or Jamie Sigler, if you don't know her, or maybe you do know her. That's right, Meadow from Sopranos here. We're going to talk about our lost love that she gave up for Mark Sanchez, the quarterback for the New York Jets. Why she chose him, I don't know, over me. Living with multiple sclerosis, what it's like being the daughter-in-law of legendary New York

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I used to say my son looked like Susan Boyle when he was little Oh my gosh He's so cute now but he looked like Susan Boyle when he was Not nothing against Susan Boyle but Don't you hate when people are always like Oh my God look at my baby and you're like holy shit your baby's fucking ugly When he came out I looked at my husband and I was like You got to be honest, man.

I hate when my friends are like, hey, what do you think of my baby? Isn't he cute? I'm like, if I close my eyes, I mean, hi, we're here with Jamie Lynn Sigler. Thank you, Jamie, for allowing me to be inside of you today. You're welcome. Thank you for being inside of me. Well, let's see how it goes. Let's see how it goes.

Jamie Lynn Sigler. Mm-hmm. Lynn. Mm-hmm. Now, I know there was like this fad. I don't know if it was a fad or if it was like this time period where everybody started using their middle names like Sarah Michelle Geller. Yes. I think I came in that time.

So is that the reason you went with a middle name? To be perfectly honest, I was only like 15 or 16, and my mom was making those decisions at the time. So she thought, Jamie Thickler is kind of boring, sweetheart. I think so. Let's go with the Jamie Lynn. I think so. Correct.

And if I could change, I mean, I guess I can change it. I mean, it's really up to me. But I would, Jamie, like any time I go. on a new set or anything. They're like, what should we call? I'm like, Jamie, please. Jamie Lynn just feels so formal. Jamie Lynn, could you come on set, please?

Wait, my hair is not ready. Exactly. It sounds like. No, you're not like that at all. No. Michael Owen Rosenbaum. See, it doesn't work. No.

My name's so Jewish and so long that I just want to get through it. And somebody goes, what's your name? Like, my rose mom. Well, you have enough syllables. I guess, like, Jamie Sigler's, like, felt like it ended too soon, maybe. Yeah, think of it like a movie. This summer, Jamie. Lynn Sigler is, right?

I think that's where my mom said. Is that where her head? Exactly. And if they were like, this summer, Michael Owen Rosenbaum. Way too long. Wasted way too many seconds of that preview. Too long. Should I have gone with Michael Owen or Owen Michael?

I think Michael Rosenbaum is perfect. I think you're really sweet. You're a liar. You're a fucking liar. You'll be able to tell from lying as this interview goes on. I don't consider it an interview. As this sit down. Two people hanging out, catching up.

You know, you know how we met? How? I'm asking you. No, tell me. I have the worst memory. And then the new thing you'll learn about me. We met at game night. Yes, no, I did know that.

I thought you were going to see some games. No. We could have met there, but, you know. For sure. I've definitely frequented enough gay nights in my life. Yeah, we all have. Oh, you have? I mean, I'm comfortable with my sexuality.

I'll go to a gay bar. I'll rage it. Sure. They're great. Yeah. Great time. Oh, you know. Game night, though.

Yes. Game night. I do, I do know that. I for some reason thought you were going to say something else that I didn't remember and I would feel bad that I didn't remember. Yeah. I would have said game night if you really. I have a lot of those, Jamie.

A lot of those nights I forgot. Well, you know, but yeah, game night. In Hollywood guys out there, in Hollywood, people would get together for a while. It was like this thing, this fad to play a game called Mafia. Look it up online, but like everybody would come over. Like James Gunn would come over and you would be here and we'd lean up. And it was an intense game. I would feel really cool.

that I was, like, part of, like, a mafia crew. And I'm pretty sure. But I've been feeling, I didn't mean to cut you up. No. I've been feeling the past couple of years, like, uncool, because it's definitely clearly still going on and I'm just no longer invited. That was happening. I don't think that's true.

I've only had, like, one or two game nights in the last few years. Oh, good. That makes me feel a lot better. I think it, I have some water for you, by the way. Did you see that? I did. It's not even a special water. It's special water.

it's it's hint they just give it to me free they don't but they don't give me any money or anything so i just drink it's really good it is good isn't refreshing it's just a hint of peach it's literally a hint just a hint but uh yeah game night so i recall like being attracted to you at some point and i remember you sort of like acknowledging me maybe you were just being nice no but i remember like on man she's really cute and she's got her shit together and i didn't care that you were previously married and all this stuff. And I was like, man, I, you know, I should go out with a classy girl like Jamie Lynn Sigler.

And I remember we text a few times. And I was like, hey, we should hang out. And you're like totally. And then the next thing I know you're married. Well, there was like, there was like maybe one relationship in between. Maybe two. Maybe two. We'll get into that.

Yeah. We could. Sure. But yeah. But that was true. There was a moment. There was a moment. Yes.

Yes. And then I think I left town for a while. Yeah. To get away from me. I've got to get away from this guy. Well, we were on like a good run. We were all hanging out like a couple of nights a week almost. Yeah, it was the mafia game was intense.

It was fun. Yeah. It was a good time. You were, I remember a good mafia because you were just, the thing is in the game, you're like, if you're mafia, you're out to kill all the townspeople. And you just look about it online, look it up. And she was, mafia are bad people in this. And you were really good because you're so sweet and you were just so, I couldn't read you.

And I was like, no, I'm not going to kill her. She's too not. And then, of course, she'd come back and kill her. me because you were the mafia. You grew up in New York. I did. Did you love it? Tell me about New York. I grew up on Long Island. Jericho, Long Island. Is that a rich area? Are you rich, Jamie? No. It was all mixed, which was nice. Public schools on Long Island are great. So you get kids from all walks of life, at least in our area. I loved it. I had two older brothers. I was a huge tomboy, so there was always a ton of sports for me to play. But I did like musical theater as well. And there

There's like a pretty solid community theater scene on Long Island that I was able to interject myself in. And so I was playing sports during the week with my friends and then doing plays on the weekend. What plays? How old are you at this point when you started? Nine. And how did they know your parents know, oh, my God, she's got something? So I was in a musical theater class with a bunch of friends and they had a sing and I sound like, okay. What was the song?

It was Dumb Dog from the movie Annie, and I really feel like I sang it like, dumb dog. I'm pretty sure there's a video, like, floating around in my house somewhere that my mom needs to convert to DVD. But you were on key. I was on key, yeah. So I started taking singing lessons and stuff like that. And then my first show I did was Sound of Music at the Plaza Playhouse. Were you the lead?

Well, I was one of the kids. Oh, yeah, you were a child. How could you play the lead? That was weird. Yeah, I couldn't play. The governess. Yeah, that'd be real. The hills are alive?

Yes, that's it. That's the one. Did you sing that? No. The lead did. The lead did. Yeah. I sang Doe Remy and stuff like that.

Right. So you started doing this and your mother was like, oh my God, this Jamie Lynn. Yeah, kind of. Wait a minute. It wasn't Jamie Lindsigler then. No, it was just Jamie Sigler then. Just old Jamie Sigler then. And so you started taking these classes and you were singing and.

Mm-hmm. And I was doing good. And I started, you know, getting some. some leads in plays and, but I really feel like, even when I started Sopranos later in life, not to fast forward too quickly, but I really feel like I got such a balance of a normal childhood because I was still in high school on Long Island while I was filming Sopranos. Like I didn't ever feel like uprooted from my normal life with my friends while I was seeing if this career would work out for me.

And your mom, was she pushy at all? She was not pushy. She was very supportive. I mean, she drove me around everywhere. I mean, I did summer stock theater driving eight hours to this theater in Pennsylvania and driving me to auditions all the time and sacrificing, you know, fortunately my brothers were five and eight years older than me. So by the time I was like 11, 12, you know, they were in college and senior in high school. So she could do all this kind of stuff with me. But yeah, I mean, I think, you know, she gave up a lot of her own time with my dad and just her own life just to see this dream. Don't you think like as a kid, you're just ultimately like, kids are more confident? So confident. Like what happened to that confident kid that I was? 1,000 percent.

If you, any audition, they'd be like, can you go on toeshoes? And I'm like, mm-hmm. Anything. Sure. And I would be like, Mom, go buy me toeshoes. I'm going to fake it. And I did. And I got it.

Now if someone said toe shoes, Jamie Lynn? Fuck you. No, fuck, right off. Yeah, negative. Now, you were, your dad was a real Jew. Yeah. Like Sephardic, Romanian. Yes, yes, you've done your research.

I have Wikipedia. But my grandmother is Romanian Jew. Really? Yeah, and I don't know, I'm a bad Jew. I'm a good Jew and that I hate Nazis. Sure. You know. We all should.

Yeah, everyone in general. Yes, everyone in general. But I grew up in Indiana. Once we moved from New York, I went to Hebrew school for about a year, and I went to Indiana. My dad didn't like the rabbi there. And that was it. So I don't really know about religion that much. So now when like Tom Arnold or my friends invite me to like a satir, I talked about this before in the podcast, I get scared. I don't know anything about the religion. You grew up pretty Jewish. I mean, I was bat mitzvah. All right. Let me hear something from your half Torah.

Very good. You don't remember that? I did sing every Rosh Hashan at my temple for a couple of years after my bat mitzvah. But we were somewhat reformed, I guess. My mom converted to Judaism in order to marry my dad, like his parents. She loved him so much. She said I'll be a Jew. Correct.

But deep down, she didn't really like it. Well, she grew up like super Catholic in Cuba. I mean, it's a very different life. But, you know, I went on birthright when I was 26, which was really cool. And I think, what's birthright? So, Israel is. Yes. If you're between the age of.

of 18 and 26 and you have any any Jewish blood in you like at all you get a free trip to Israel when you sign up but it was an incredible trip and I feel like that was probably the most the most I've ever done to honor my Jewish heritage was doing that trip and I just went to Israel a couple of months ago again but I don't know here's the thing for me I think people put a lot of pressure themselves on being like good Jews or not good Jews and I think that religion itself is it should be whatever it needs to be for a person I don't think think there should be rules on, like, how to be religious. So you're just saying, ultimately just be a good person. Agree, yes. But we have Shabbat very often on our house, but Shabbat to us,

people are Jewish, people are not. Spell Shabbat and tell us what Shababat is. Shababat. Shabat is actually just like a tradition every Friday night. It's like phones are off, TVs are off, family and friends, come to your home and you just talk. And, you know, conservative Jews observe Shabbat until Saturday night and there's no electronics and there's no anything. It's just your home. That's actually genius. People don't do that anymore. Why don't we have agreed. Why don't you do that with your, with your kids? We do. And that's what I mean. There's nothing religious about it, but he loves when we have Shabbat, which is usually like twice a month because it's just cool people coming over and we sit around and he's running around and we're playing music and we're

just talking. He gets to stay up really late. And those are the kind of memories that I want him to had growing up. So to me, I see people can look at me as, like, a bad Jew, but I feel like I'm being a good Jew because, like, it's just about, like you said, being a good person and being around good people. Yeah. I miss those days where there wasn't really instant gratification in the 70s and 80s. And look, everybody loves their electronics.

Right. You could FaceTime your grandparents. I'd FaceTime my grandparents in Florida. Your grandparents. They're adorable, and I love them to death. And it's nice. Technology is amazing, yet there's something to be said about what did we? We do and we didn't have it.

We sat around and we talked and we played games and we got to know each other and we laugh for hours and we had a few drinks and now everybody's, oh, look at this video, look at this. It's just like... Even eight years ago when we were doing our game nights, we didn't have phones like this. And none of us were on our phones. We were playing mafia. Even when you got kicked out of the town and you got killed, like no one was on their phone.

Yeah, isn't that something? We didn't have it then. We have a thing like it's not Shabbat, but it's a Shirozenbaum, I call it. I just made that up, but we'll be at lunch and we'll just say everybody's phones on the table right now. We'll be at the good neighbor restaurant or something and we'll just put the phones in the middle. Great. And we'll all have a nice breakfast. I like that.

Right? Great. I think that's important. You too. When was your first kiss, Jamie? I was 12. Was there, were their tongue? So much.

They was. Yes. And it tasted like wildberry skittles. I'm going real specific for you. What was his name? Brian Kelly. Brian Kelly had Skittles breath. Wait, no, I was young.

I think I was 11. Mine was Meredith Kramer, and she kissed me on the playground. Like, really kissed you? Are you talking about like a m-uh? I not that I boned up in fifth grade art class. I'm like, I'll take the zero. Do you remember feeling like, oh, fluffy? Yes, yes.

Did you taste the rainbow? Yeah, I see. Exactly. Do you miss Kelly? What's his name? Brian Kelly? No, I don't think about him often, to be honest. You don't?

Never happened again. Never kissed him again after that. Oh, no. Yeah, we were a boyfriend, girlfriend for a minute. we made out like for a whole summer I think was it one day his breath wasn't Skittles fresh and then I don't know why we broke out are you in a good breath sure that's really important yeah yeah like I don't want to be near my husband until like like we've both like washed up in the morning like he doesn't care but I'm like let's just like take a minute

and then we can you know I agree let's let's steal a little flossing let's brush let's be fresh it's just sexier it's fresh it's fresh it's yeah I'm glad you feel that way I do I'm glad you feel that way You were around How old when you got your first manager And things started to take off

I was about 13 When I got my first year So young But I was just doing theater then I always thought I wasn't pretty enough To be on camera And that I just was different Because

The only thing I auditioned for Like other than theater stuff Was commercials And I remember they always The feedback was like We don't know what she is She's not all American She's not Latin

Nina enough. She's not this. So I just, like, I thought I just wasn't going to fit in a box ever for anybody. I had a terrible. You really had an, give me an example of how you used to talk. Like, I would walk the dog. You would really talk like this. Oh, my God.

When I go home, it starts, like, I just start getting lazy a little bit. Mm-hmm. Wow. So I got my manager then. And then by the time, so Sopranos, I was 15 when I audition. 15 years old, come on. The audition came along. I assumed it was music.

musical because of the title. The only thing I was told is a show called Sopranos and they're looking for a 16-year-old Italian-looking girl. And I thought, well, I could probably pass for Italian and it takes place in Jersey. My accent would work perfect. The real reason I went in for it was because all my friends went to sleepway camp growing up and I never went. Why? Because I was always like doing theater and stuff. And I also think secretly my mom like didn't want me to go. And it was expensive. And I don't think my parents could really like afford it. So they always had to be. excuses why I couldn't go. So finally, I was going to go and be a CIT. I was going to work at 16. And this audition came along. And I was like, you know what, I'll go because I wanted to go shopping

in the city for camp. And I didn't think anything of it. I mean, I went in. I read the scene left, never thinking anything. And then I got a call. Was it an intense scene? It was a scene where Meadow was fighting with Carmel about wanting to go on a ski trip. I was very familiar with fighting with my mother. How did you feel about the audition? I honestly, I never in a million years thought I was going to get it. So I kind of read it like I didn't care, which was meadow. That's always the best. Which was meadow, essentially.

We didn't have a cell phone then or anything. So my brother, like, beeped my mom or something to call and it was like, Jamie's manager left a message. So you remember you could call your answering machine and she said Jamie has a call back for tomorrow. And I was like, oh, okay. And then when I went back again, it was the same scenes with David Chase's time, who again, I didn't know who he was.

I didn't know anything, did the same thing. Being a kid, you don't care. Yep. Got called back again the next day to read for producers. Now there was like all the little AJs, you know, Anthony Juniors and all the meadows. And then the next thing I know, they're asking me to screen test and it was down to two girls. And they told me I was too tan. So I had to, like, I was putting like retinae on like my hands and my face, like trying to like pail myself up.

Yeah, I turned 16 right before we shut the pilot. Retina? Retina makes you white. That's what my mom told me. I just listened to what my mom said at that time. And I remember I was like, it was like so hot out and I wore long sleeves and jeans. But I got it. You got it.

And you didn't know how big it was or it was going to be? No. I mean, I was so excited that I was going to be on like a TV show, like a pilot. And HBO really wasn't known for television then. So it was kind of new. To me, more than anything, I thought it was so cool. Because once the show got picked up and we started filming, that was my senior year of high school. and then it started airing in January of my senior year.

Oh, shit. And, like, all my friends that came to see me play Annie 800 times at the Y and, like, all my bullshit shows and everything, it was so cool to, like, have them come over and see something great that I did. So, so you, freshman sophomore, would you say you're a really popular girl at that point? I was popular. You were popular. Yeah, I was popular.

But I wasn't, like, a bitchy popular. I feel like I was, like, I was still. I don't see you as bitchy. I don't see you. I like friends with everybody, but I, my close friends were the popular people. Did you go out with athletes? No, our school wasn't like that. We had terrible sports teams.

So even the sports teams didn't have athletes? Yeah. You're just saying, there's no athletes on these athletic teams? They weren't very good. Right. So you weren't really, okay. No, I went out with like the bad boys. I went through a phase like that in high school.

Yeah. It's just all like the bad, the guys that like seen. like they would be hard to get. Like, I liked the challenge. And when you got Sopranos, now you're a senior. And was everybody just like, it was then hard to go to school. You're now a celebrity. People still weren't watching it then, the beginning of the first season.

No one could afford HBO. I don't know. It was just kind of like, it wasn't until I think the second or third season that it really started to feel like it was, like, important to people. Because even right before the second seasons, we started shooting, so I got accepted to NYU. And I didn't... I didn't, by the way.

You really? I'm not that bright. I'm not that bright. I graduated high school with a 2-2. But I did go to college in Kentucky. They accepted a 2-2. Thank God. Someone did.

I'm looking at you now. Who cares? Yeah. Well, I got into NYU and I wasn't in the Tish arts program or anything because I felt like I'd never taken any formal acting training and I didn't want to go into acting school and have them tell me everything I was doing wrong. And while I'm working, you know, it just felt like it was going to kind of fuck me up. So I was a psychology major and I moved into the dorms.

I was so excited. And I was like running around my floor introducing myself to everybody. It was co-ed. And the first person's room that I walked into, the guy had like all these sopranos posters all up on his wall. Of you? Like, I mean, I was in some of them. Yeah. And I was like, hi.

And he's like, oh. And I'm like, oh. Yeah. next door. I like love you or something. Did you, was he cool though? He was cool. He was cool if I can remember.

But I had to defer from school because after about three or four months, the professors were like, what show? Like, no, because I had to explain, like, listen, my show can't work around my class schedule. So sometimes I'm going to have to miss, but I will be responsible. I'll make up my work. And they're like, no, that doesn't fly here. So I failed two courses within like a month.

And then one. Dicks. Kind of. But I honestly think if the show was more pop, if it was like the third or fourth season, they would have, they would have done it. Yeah, of course. Do they ever ask you to come back and speak?

No. No, I honestly left like really abruptly. Like it was a day where I overslept. My roommate had taken my alarm clock. I took the subway to work because they weren't picking me up then even. I didn't have a cell phone. I was late.

They were waiting for me at work. And I just like lost it and was bawling my eyes out. My mom came to pick me up from work. later that night. We drove to my dorm and we put everything in trash bags and just like pieced. And that was it. That's it. No more college.

Literally. I just like. I'm done. I'm going to focus on my career. I just can't work around this. They won't work around me. I'm done. Yes.

That was kind of like my M. Oh, for a little while sometimes. Like I, like it would just be too much and I would just get out really fast. I didn't know how to do like. I think I do that too. When things get a little heated or too much adversity or too much stress, I just like, fuck off. I'm out.

I'm gone. I can't do it. I was like that way in relationships for a very long time. Really? Yeah. Like I hit like this two and a half year mark and I'd be like, it's okay. It's just done. Yeah, I hit the two and a half month mark.

I'm like, I don't know. I can't. I can't. And I can't believe this is this is 10 weeks of shit. I can't. You should give yourself a little more time. I know, I do. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money.

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That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com slash inside of you. you free shipping and 365 day returns quince.com slash inside of you you've heard this question many times i want to know about it first of i mean james gandlefini was he was he as amazing was he just oh as amazing as everyone says there's got you had i want to hear something there had to be a bad day where he came and goes where the fuck is this never i want my reuben my fuck there's no mustard on the rubin never never ever ever had a tantrum about anybody else or demanding of anything else the only time he would ever have like and they were minor just like issues was about himself like he would be so hard in himself and being like i can't fucking act today and like i'm terrible and fuck like but never about anybody else never about i love hearing that and it truly it set the tone for the whole set and the whole show for the whole run because him and edie were just just such consummate professionals and kind people and generous people. And for me, they were my parents in every sense of the word the second I stepped on that set, you know, because they were

who I looked up to as actors, as professionals. I was 16. I'd never been in a set before. I didn't know what to do. And they were my leaders. And, you know, they just really showed me that it's like your job and you go home. We don't always have to all be best friends. But like there's all this respect for each other and all this love for each other. And, you know, I used to think that like It had, like, theater sometimes, you can feel like, you know, you do a show and these are my best friends for life. And then you move on to the next show and you guys don't talk to each other. And then these are my best friends for life. And I remember feeling like that's how it needed to be.

And it's not sometimes, but that's okay. Was it ever intense on set? Just in terms of the acting, there was so much incredible acting that. Mm-hmm. I had a couple of moments later on when I was like a little more adult where I could start feeling like pressure. I went through a divorce during shooting the show. Yeah. You married's your manager.

Yeah. Why would you do that? So many mistakes about that whole situation. Well, you were young. How old were you? I was 19 when I met him. I was 22 and I got married and I got divorced at 24. Did he stop representing you when you were divorced?

Actually, while we were married, one of the steps was stop. And then it just couldn't work out still past that. Right. Was it just being young, you didn't know who you were? He didn't know. What was it? I was trusting other people's decisions for me as opposed to my own still because I just felt like they were older and they maybe knew better. he was 10 years older.

I also think I didn't know myself enough. And I think as I was coming into my own, there was a certain people that didn't like that. I always say it's like you just people like in their 20s and they get married, I'm like, why are you doing this? Like my producer Rob, how old were you got married?

That's a bit older though. It's a bit older and he's a mature guy. He's more mature than I am. My husband was 26 when we got married. He's eight years younger than me. I always say like, especially for women, tell me if I'm wrong, of the girls that I know and my friends,

they say a woman really doesn't know who she is until she's at least 30. Yes. They change every five years. Is that true? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. My dad was married. He was 18. My mom was 23 with two kids. And then married my dad and had me. And somehow it lasted 27 years.

It was all fucking dysfunction and crazy. Yeah. Oh, my God. 18. I mean, my parents just celebrate their 45th wedding anniversary two days ago. Did they get along great? No. Not all the time.

No. there's, didn't lots of ups and downs in their relationship, but, you know, but I think that it's worth it for them to stay together, which I think is, for me, I was too young. It was just like, no, this is not the life that I want. Like, I'm this, I'm way too young to lock myself down into a situation that's not healthy. So how did it come down? It ended very badly, very, very badly. Was it your call? You say, I'm done? Initially, it was his and then it was mine. So then he tried to say, kind of, right. Mm-hmm. when I was at work I didn't tell anybody

I didn't tell anybody They could probably see They started to see in my work a little bit And they came down on me And being like you need an acting coach And this and that And they started feeling terrible about myself I remember James called me

And was like you're gonna use my coach And I'm gonna tell you something Everybody uses a coach Everybody gets to a point Where everybody uses a coach I don't care who you think is like Amazing without a coach Everybody uses a coach

Did he say something you're like You're not gonna get fired I'm not gonna have anybody Don't worry about that He didn't say that because he knew I wasn't going to get fired. I mean, he was like season five of the show. Yeah, what were they going to do, replace you with Alyssa Milano? Exactly.

But he just wanted to reassure me that it's okay to, like, need help sometimes. Oh, my God, yeah. And it was during the time where, like, his character was in a coma and I had, like, all this emotional stuff. And so she was teaching me sort of had to use. Why? I'm on season five right now. Oh, really? No.

Oh, okay. Sorry. But she was teaching me how to use stuff for my real life. And, you know, to put it in. And so I remember there was a scene where I had to do where I was, like, talking to him and crying. And then once the scene ended, I couldn't stop crying. And, like, just those whole couple of months felt like super intense for me because it happened to be a very intense time on the show and a very intense time in my personal life. And then during all this, too, I had been living with MS for three years, but hadn't talked about it at all.

And because of all the stress that I was going through, the disease was starting to manifest also and, like, starting to show up. Now, you were 20 when you were diagnosed, but you didn't really come out to, I guess, to the public till, like, last year. So it took you 16 years. I'm really smart with math. But 16 years to come out. I can't even imagine, like, I have a tough time getting up in the morning in general, you know, and I don't have MS. And I can't even imagine being diagnosed as a 20-year-old woman, and this is right in the middle of your divorce. I was diagnosed when I was 20, but during my divorce is when the symptoms really strong.

I was on medication, but it was very, it didn't affect my day to day. Like, other than, like, if I was in extreme heat, I'd really start to feel it. But other than that, it was completely manageable. But all of a sudden things started to happen, like pain and things like that that I didn't know how to deal with. And I was terrified to tell people because it just felt like kind of everything was falling apart at the time. So for me, like I said, the same way where I was like, shit's happening, I'm out.

It was kind of like shit's happening and I'm just not going to talk about it. and I'm going to deal with it. And it just stayed inside you, which is the worst thing as we know, right? Mm-hmm. I mean, I confided. I told James. I told Edie, told Dreia, I told Aida. And I told Robert, who played my little brother, who's still one of my best friends.

But it didn't affect how I moved around and did things. But do you know as a 20-year-old, you're like, oh, yeah, I have this, but did you think, oh, my God, I have this? No. I thought, oh, yeah, I have this, but I'll be fine. Right? Like, I'm young. I don't feel it. I'm fine.

But your parents more concerned, like, oh, my God. God. No, I think they, they kind of dealt with it the same way. She'll be fine. Denial, which is kind of where I get in front. Not to fault them, but. Right. Well, of course.

Well, when was the first time you said besides the little things, the nuances along the way that you're like, oh, it's too hot and this? When was the first time you said, now I know I have this? It's very strange. It was right after I finished Sopranos. I was leaving my apartment in New York. And I was going to get a cap and I went to run. And I was like, my body was not working.

and I could not like it was like the signal was not getting to my feet to run and it was like if it was just very strange to feel like I can't control my body right now I'm trying to tell my body to do something that I've told it to do almost every day of my life and I cannot do it and it was like a I thought it was a fluke whatever and then literally since that day I've never been able to run I mean I think it's been a slow progressive like deterioration of things like now for me. Balance is an issue. You can tell a little bit when I walk that there's an issue. I can't really wear high heels very much. But it's been slow and progressive where the main reason I came out about it was because it just emotionally felt like it was just tearing me apart. And I couldn't

live with the secret anymore because it started to make me feel like guilty and like shameful when it's it's a disease that I didn't choose to have. And I just, I couldn't bear these feelings anymore, but also to be completely honest, it's also because I couldn't really hide it anymore. And I I was sick of having to, like, have my doctor send my x-rays with my fucked up back, and this is why she's walking this way, and this is why she can't do this and that. But the truth of matter is, my back is fucked up because of, like, the years of compensating from the MS. You know what I mean?

And I just didn't want to lie anymore. I didn't want to, like, have to keep up this facade. And I was just kind of ready to be like, look, if I work again or if I don't, I don't know what this is going to mean once I tell people, but I have to still give myself basically the chance to trust that, you know, life's still going to have stuff to offer me, like once I kind of just be open and honest because it just also, too, I mean, my kid's young, but I didn't want to get him to get to an age where he felt like he had to keep this secret for me either, you know? And I thought, you know, like, what kind of example my setting for him, like lying about this?

So it was, you know, like I said, a number of things, but. What is MS? Like for people, look, I mean, we can sit here and talk about it, which I love and I'm just, it's such an education, but I think a lot of people just don't know exactly know what it is because it doesn't affect them. And it's amazing how, like, I was about, you know, I heard about Alzheimer's and all these things. And then my grandfather gets it. And now I'm just constantly researching it and trying to find, and that's a lot of times what it takes is for someone to like their family has it or someone has it. And so they're like, oh, now we have to pay attention. Yeah.

We just have to pay attention to everything because anything can happen to us because we're humans. And so just to sort of explain with what MS is. Sure. MS is an autoimmune disease. It's multiple sclerosis is what it stands for. It's essentially the body attacks itself. So, but there's no two cases of MS that are the same. There's, you know, some common symptoms that we could share, but essentially the body

attacks. So everybody's nerves have something called myelin around it. And if you think it's like an electric cord, just like that thick coating around it, right? That's what protects the signal to. go to exactly from one end to the other. So the MS attacks that myelin so it eats it away. So if you think the electrical current is going to go through, it's going to spark and that current's not going to be as strong. So for me, it's affected my mobility on my right side with my legs and a little bit on my left. So that's why I can't run because I'm sending that signal to my legs, but it's super

slow because of all the myelin that's been worn away. So some people have issues with their upper body, some people have issues with eyesight, some people have cognitive issues. I'm super lucky. I think, I mean, sometimes I sit and wonder, like, what kind of MS would I have chosen for myself? Yeah. Because sometimes it can suck that, like, I can't do everything with my kid and, like, my babysitter has to do it. Or, you know, because he'll ask me all the time, like, are your legs better yet? I'm like, can you run with me and things like that? And, you know, he's wonderful and he gets it, But it kills me because I want to be the person that does all that stuff. And by the way, I also miss that.

I miss that feeling of freedom of doing that. I used to be super athletic. I used to be a dancer. I mean, I don't want to not be able to take detective type roles and things like that that are fun because I physically can't do it anymore and stuff like that. But, you know, I believe in modern medicine. And I think that there's a lot of hope out there. And for me, I'm working with this doctor.

Then in a couple of months, we're talking about some stem cell stuff. And we'll see. I mean, but in the meantime, I think I'm just sort of living best I can. And, you know, I've been able to work here and there and I'm going to keep the hope alive. And I just switched agents. You know, like, you know, the game where I'm like, you know what? If you're not feeling me, I'm going to find somebody else that does. And, you know, sometimes, like, just keep living and trying and finding new energy and new ways to, you know, do stuff.

I think you're amazing and you're beautiful. No, I do. Anybody who's ever met you. And more importantly, you're brave as shit. And I applaud you because I think it's important for people to know about this. And in a lot of ways, you're living vicariously through your son as he grows up. And he runs and he does these things. And you're a hockey fucking mom.

But you got to get into that because you know him to die. I know. He takes lessons the Valley Ice Center. At the where? The Valley Ice Center. Is that where you see? Oh, yeah. I used to play there.

I play in El Segundo now. Well, we used to go there. I left my wallet there. That's a nice facility. Do you remember that song? I left my wallet and else are done. No. Oh, who sings that?

That's a nice facility down there. It's a little too far for us to drive. You've had some relationships. Yeah. I've had some relationships. I've dated some women in my time. I'm very private, too, believe it or not. I'm not private.

I know you are. But I, anytime I have a girlfriend or anything, I don't want to. Well, because it involves another person. So you want to be respectful of them and their feelings. And, like, you don't want to, like, I'm an open. and book about me, but it's not fair for me to, like, expose somebody else that's not here. It's true. Well, we're about to expose your...

Okay. I mean, so that's not... Well, my current husband? Well, that's okay. No, no, no. But you dated Sanchez, right? The New York Jersey. Now, the only reason I'm bringing this up is because...

That's who I ran off with after our whole, like, when we were in, like, our mafia. Right. So instead of going out with me, folks, Jamie Sigler, I won't use the Lynn because I'm a little pissed off. No, I'm not. I'm not. No, but we were supposed to go out and then she disappeared and she was going out with Mark. Mark Sanchez. I remember seeing you at a club and I was like, who's that big muscular dude she's with?

I'm like, dude, it's Mark Sanchez and the New York Jets. And I was like, what? Isn't she a fucking giant fan? That's why I have my Giants hat here, my Mets had here. I see that I love it. I mean, not only, like, I wasn't pissed off. I was just like, oh, I guess she likes big strong dudes, not funny, lanky, weird guys. But what attracted you?

Sure. You know what I'm talking about. Mark is obviously incredibly good-looking. Just he's a really charismatic guy, a lot of fun. Where did you meet? We met. We both were hosting something for like Samsung or something in New York. We happened to be like the male and female host of the party.

And we just kind of hit it off. And I brought like my best gaze like with me. And like the four of us like went out drinking after. And then he loves New York theater. And obviously I do too. And so like he. Wait, Sanchez loves New York theater. Loves theater. Does it look musicals? Yeah, musicals and plays. Yeah. I was like, I thought it hit the jackpot.

Right. Sure. Check, check, check, check. And he bought tickets for my friends and I and all of us to go. And it was just like, honestly, you know, it was a really fun summer. I think it was. So it was just a summer you dated? We just dated for like basically a whole summer. I have nothing bad to say about Mark. He's. Why didn't it work out? I just think it was timing. I mean, I was 20, I had just turned 29, but I was, you know, looking for something serious. he was just starting his career and it was younger and I think he just wasn't really ready for that and it's not like either of us were saying specifically like I want this and I don't want this but I think we could feel it and it just you know I think he was really focused on going to the next season and you know felt a relationship wasn't going to be right and I was bummed but understood what did everyone in Jericho Long Island all these giant fans have to say

about that oh people were just like stoked that I was they were dating an athlete for sure they would have rather you've dated Eli Manning. No. He was married at the time. And not his handsome. He's a little weird looking. Definitely not his handsome. I love him.

He's going two super bowls for us, but he's not as handsome. He just looks like he's always confused when he takes his helmet off. I think that's like the Rosenbaum reading face. You know, maybe we weren't supposed to read as Rosenbaum's. But like when I look at all my other family members, my grandfather, my dad, my uncles, they all have that face like they have to take a shit while they're reading something. I'm like, am I going to do that in some? Sometimes I find myself going, I have a resting bitch face.

Let me see the resting bitch face. Everybody always seems I'm angry. Oh, yeah. That's why I think I don't have like a very good Uber rating because I feel like they always assume I'm like angry in the backseat because I don't talk or anything. How do you check your Uber rating? I just learned. What do you have? I'm like a 4-7.

That's out of five, isn't it? Yeah, but apparently it's not very good. 4.7, that's like an A minus. My husband's like a 4-9. I wonder what I am. Can we check? Yeah. On my phone?

Yeah. How do you do it? Go to your Uber. Right. We're going to do this right now. And go up to your profile and it'll say a number underneath it. You're a 483. Those fuckers.

Why am I not a perfect five? Four eight. But everyone assumes, like, even when I lived in New York, like I would walk down the street and people would be like, smile, it ain't so bad. And I'll be like, I'm fine. Like, what do you mean? I'm happy. Like, I just have a terrible face. But I guess, I don't know.

So Dirty Sanchez is a nice guy. Great guy. Great guy. I have nothing bad to say about it. His family's wonderful. He's wonderful. I had a great time with him. That's nice to say.

I generally, generally. A lot of times become friends with the girls that I've dated. We're not friends anymore. Like, we don't talk anymore or anything. Oh, no? But his best friend and I are really good friends still. Oh, really? Yeah.

Nice. I'll take that from the relationship any day. He's a great guy. You played Heidi Fleiss. Call me, rise and fall of Heidi Fleas. Did you ever meet Heidi Fleas? No. Really?

It was unauthorized. Did you? I did research. I watched like her, uh, The videos she made, like, with sex tips and stuff. And I read her book. Did you have sex with random people for money? I didn't go that far.

I wasn't very method then. I hadn't seen the acting coach then. Was it an uncomfortable role to play? A bit. Because I was 20 and still kind of, like, you know, like coming into my own skin. I mean, there's plenty of 20-year-old actresses that are super comfortable. And I just wasn't there yet. Right.

But it was like my first time really carrying something myself. It was just, I remember being a lot of work. It's scary. And by the way, I got cast like two weeks before we started filming. So I didn't have like a shit ton of time to prepare. Are you one of those people who learned their lines the night before for the next day? Yeah. I have a freakish memory.

I have a freakish memory of memory, photographic memory. You have a photographic memory? Yes. I wish I had that. But if you tell me like, how did we meet? Or I have so many times people will be like, we've met before. And I'm like, fuck, sorry. But I can memorize lines super easy.

My problem is it's not that I can't learn lines. I learn them, but I stress out with lines where it's like I get them. And I just want to know them so well that I can forget about them and do like improvise and things. Yeah. I always wish I was photographic, like I had a photographic memory because I think people like with that are just, it's so easy. It's easy. You could look, honestly, you could look over a page how many times before you memorize it. Four or five times.

And then you know it. Verbatim? That's a gift. It is. I'm very lucky. I know how lucky I am. I believe it or none. Whenever I get a roll, I learned the entire script.

I did a show called Impaster for two years. Kitchen on Hulu. It got canceled, but it's still a good show. I love it. I read that pilot and remember thinking it was so funny. It was dark, and it was like, it was really interesting. But I remember I would work with my assistant. I'd say, Jess, I want to learn the whole episode.

I would learn, I'm not kidding, get ready for this. No, no. I would learn four episodes in a row because they were locked in before we went and shot. So I'd know four or five. How do you memorize that much, though? Because I remember five scripts. I'd have five scripts memorized by the time we went in the production, so I didn't have to do anything. That's an incredible talent, though, that you can retain all of that information.

Maybe, but I didn't want to go home at night knowing I'm so tired after 16 hour day. I don't want to memorize that night and I'm going to be bad tomorrow. So I want to kind of know it. Well, let me tell you, like, if I look at like my week schedule and I see I've got heavy scenes later in the week and lighter scenes in the beginning, I'll start learning them like earlier in the week because, yeah, you mean by the time the end of the week goes on and you're, you're going to bed late and having the, you know, and your hours aren't that normal. Yeah. I'll prepare in that way. But I don't think I could do what you do.

That's, that's amazing. Oh, thank you. Have you ever been fired? No, but I've heard I've been, like, close to being fired. Well, who a dick told you that? I know. What the fuck is a half told you on that. I know.

Sigler alert. I was like, but I didn't. Dick. Yeah, I did. I got fired. You got fired early in your career? No, I got actually fired three years ago. It was a show and they just off.

offered it to me and it was like Gary Sanchez production so it was Will Ferrell's company. Yeah. And every day the director would go, oh my God, my wife and I watched the dailies, which are like scenes you did from the previous day. And they're like, hilarious. You're stealing the show every day. Oh, my God. Wait till you see this.

And then after we shot the pilot, the producer who I love, I love everybody, but they go, Hey, we're going to go in and do some voice stuff and get rid of some lines. And I go, what lines are we getting? And I found out that they wanted to get rid of all these lines because my character was too much of a dick or politically incorrect. Yeah. So the character that I signed on for was now being sort of softened. Yeah. Water down.

And I go, what's going on? What's going on? And then we were waiting for the pickup. And at like 5 o'clock they said, and NBC has picked up mission control with Kristen Ritter, Michael Rosenbaum, Bruce Campbell And it was a great time And by the way, I had a screening Wednesday at my house

The producers go, hey, can we screen into your house? So I said, sure, I bought pizzas for everybody. We watched it and it was watered down. I was like, ah, fuck man, this rolls watered down. I was a little bum, but I was like, eh, you know, so then we hear on Friday that it gets picked up in the last second, but they only picked it up for five episodes. And I'm like, five episodes, I get a call one minute later

the producers. Rosie, hey, what's up? I'm like, hey, how's it going? My stomach occurs right now. They go, Rosie, I don't even know how to tell you this. I just want to tell you. I love you to death. We love you.

We're as shocked as you are. We got to let you go, buddy. And I go, what? They go, NBC. They just think the character's too politically incorrect. They want to make the character different. And they said, they'll only pick it up if we get rid of you. And I said, I go, I go, and I immediately stop the conversation.

And I said, guys, I love the shit out of both of you. You know that. We had a blast. Let's not make this weirder than it already is. It's not fucking weird. This shit happens. I love you both. I know I'll work with you again.

I love you. That's it. It's all good. Great attitude. And I hung up the phone. And I sat there and I was just like, it was like, it was a numbing feeling. It was just one of those moments where I go, hang on a second. I stop myself.

This is a little, one of the nuances of maturity that I'll have in my life. Like, because me, I'm like a giant. ain't kid but i sat there and i go i looked down i looked at my dog who was staring at me and i go you love me dude i love that dog right there i got this awesome dog and i have a fun house and i have great friends and i'm alive and this is just something that happened and fuck it and i just and the hardest part about it all is it's not about getting fired or by the way they didn't pick up the show they never picked it up they never aired any the worst part is people just going dude congratulations man i heard your shows that's the only bad thing because then you go yeah i was fired

that's why like sometimes i don't even tell people when i'm like auditioning for stuff or anything because it's just like you just don't want to deal with the questions my mom still asked me did you get that role i'm i'm saving private ryan aired 20 years ago of course i didn't get it what about the other thing with the effleck i don't get that either the fucking goodwill hunting he gave it to casey i just won an oscar You're married to a professional athlete. Mm-hmm. He's retired now.

He retired? He did. He retired last year. How old is he 20? He just turned 28. 28. His name is Cutter. Mm-hmm.

That is the coolest. Isn't that a really cool name? Was Lenny Dykstra, who's his father? Was he drunk when he named him Cutter? No. Because that's a weird name. Correct. And I dig it.

Yeah. Well, at first I said, is it the pitch? Oh, the Cutter. And they said no. When Terry, Cutter's mom. Mom was pregnant. They were watching a lifetime movie. And the bad guy's name was Cutter.

Cutter. And they loved it. Cutter, stop being such a dick. They love Cutter. They loved Cutter. It's a good name. It's a great name. What's his middle name?

Kyle. Cutter, Kyle Dankstra. Strong name. Where'd you meet? We met because one of my best friends, Joanna Garcia, is an actress. I know. She's married to Nick Swisher. And Nick and Cutter, for you.

years were hitting together in the off season when Lenny went through his times and the house was taken and, you know, money was kind of gone for the family. Cutter moved in with Nick and Joe during the off season because he was training at UCLA and he grew up in Westlake and he didn't have his car anymore. And I was over all the time because she's one of my best friends. So it was no mean to set up. I mean, I was 30. He was 22.

Did you hook up before you started really dating? Was it kind of just a fling? No, it all happened in the same time. It all was just like, oh, my God. Because I was just like, I was like just coming off this like super dry spell. I was 30. I was like, my friends were starting to get married and engaged. And I wasn't actually feeling the pressure, but I was just kind of feeling like frustrated like with life in general.

And they were like, just fuck him. Like, you know, like he's so cute and he's so young and he like loves you. And I was like, no, you guys, it's not what I do. Just fuck him. Who said that? So many of my friends. All my girlfriends. I love your friends.

They're great. Most girls were like, no, down. No, they were like, fuck him. Yeah, they're like, Jeannie, come on. Like I said, I was coming off like a dry spell. Right. But him and I was like always end up being. We were always hanging out because Nick and Joe's house was always like the place where everybody kind of met up.

And we were just always end up like in the corner like talking and hanging. When was the first kiss? Where were you? In Nick and Joe's living room. Was it a good one? Yeah. Where you're like, oh my God, that felt great. Yeah.

Yeah. But you didn't think I'm marrying this guy or anything. No. No, and then he left two weeks later for spring training. All right. And during those two weeks, we were like inseparable because there was no games to be played because he was leaving. So we're like, yeah, let's hang out tomorrow.

Let's hang out tomorrow. And during that time, I got this pilot. I was told that I, like, was never funny. And then all of a sudden I got a sitcom. So it was like an exciting, like, triumphant moment for me. And then his dad went to jail. Lenny went to jail. What year was that?

So this was 2011? Now, if you don't know Lenny Dykstra out there, let me just tell you, I'm a diehard New York Mets fan, die hard. Okay. And in 86, one of two times the Mets actually won the World Series. If you're a Mets fan, oh, we just have shitty seasons. We're always below 500. Everything catastrophic happens to the Mets. In 86, somehow, we won. And I remember game three even, like we're down two games to nothing against the Red Sox. And we went to, you know, and then the game three was in Boston and we're down to nothing. And it was like the first pitch of the game. He's like, here's Lenny Dykstra, and here's the pitch. And a line drive and right field. Back goes Henderson. Gone. Lenny Dykstra.

Home run. Lenny Dykstra. And I was like, this is the beginning of the comeback. And it was. And the Mets somehow came back miraculously and won. And I was the biggest Len Dykstra fan. I have a jersey. I knew you because of the mafia games and asking you in a date that we never went on.

And I got this jersey and I brought it over. And you had Lenny sign it and it's hanging up. It's in the other room. Awesome. The Len Dykstra. and he's just he's a legend so it was sad to see like you know i mean he was a wild boy there was this old video 80s video i was like wild boys from durand duran and it was it was nails he was called nails because he was a tough guy big dip in his mouth just like didn't give a

shit none of those players in that team gave a shit so and i guess it got the best of them later in life and all of them doc gooden yeah gerald strawberry i think backman got a little messed up but Dykstra. So what happened to Lenny? Let me start by saying this. I don't think Lenny's a bad person. I think he has some demons. We all do.

I think that he had some substance abuse issues. You know, when he was playing baseball, and I'm not saying anything that he hasn't said, you know, because I would never. But, you know, there was just like a lot of drugs and a lot of uppers and downers and things to sort of get through pain and injuries and accidents that he was in and things like that. And so he had a severe opiate addiction. And then he also had an addiction, I think,

to money. I mean, he's a really, like, freakishly genius type of guy who was able to kind of, like, figure out this other, like, weird career and make, like, $100 million off, like, car washes. And, and then it just got into, like, planes and magazines and this and that. It just got to be too much and he wasn't sleeping and he was never leaving his office. And, you his family was there living in this $30 million house and like just everything kind of got away from him. It, you know, tore his family apart in very many ways and was really hard for all of them. But one of the things that I've always been like very in awe of my husband is just his like forgiveness for his dad and still love for his dad despite like everything that they've

been through. And so I think because me like being his partner, I have to feel the same way. you know, and support that because, you know, Lenny does come over and he loves my son and he tries. He tries the best he can to connect and be like a normal guy. And, you know, we were with him the days that he just got out of jail. And, you know, it definitely affected him and changed him. But he also loves to be sensational and he loves to, you know, say wild things. And, you know, I'm sure you've, I haven't, but I've heard, like, listen to him on Stern and all the things. And, You know, he is who he is. Have you seen the darkest of him?

Have you seen the funniest of him, all the emotions of him? I've never seen the dark. I've heard all the stories of the dark. I've never seen the dark. But I've seen, like, different shades of him, for sure. But one thing I can always say is, like, Lenny is so respectful of me. Always so kind. Like, always asking an inquisitive about how I'm doing and what is my life and wanting to, like,

give advice whether I take it or not. Like he's just, like I say, he's not a bad guy. He just has some shit that, you know, he's still trying to figure how to work through. And, you know, he's still standing to this day and he's still figuring it out. And I hope he does not only for himself, but, you know, for his family and to mend those relationships because, you know, there's things that he's taken from his sons that, you know, I hope he can give back one day. Right. And Cutter still sees him?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not a ton. Lenny's now on the East Coast. But, you know, sometimes he's like, I don't know where he's living. I don't know what he's doing. But, like, he checks in. He checks in all the time and he gets by.

I mean, look, if you're a New Yorker and you're a Mets fan, it's like you'll never forget those years that he gave us. And, you know, people go through hard times and people deal with a lot of shit. Everybody does. Yeah. You know, nobody's perfect. And, you know, I'm sure, you know, he knows that. And I'm sure he's pissed a lot of people off.

And those people have every right to be pissed at. him, you know? I think I've always respected and appreciated about him, especially when Cutter was playing baseball. And Cutter's younger brother now plays in the minor league system for the Cardinals, and he's 21. So it's clearly in the blood. And my son has, since he's not even two years old, you pitch him a ball and he can hit it. Like no tea.

Like it's in the blood. It's in the blood. It's really freaky. But the advice he would always give Cutter, I would hear it, and it was smart and rational and made a lot of sense. And it was never about, like, he got to get to the big leagues. There was never any pressure.

It was just about the game. That's amazing. He's so smart about the game. And I wish he could just get it together because he would be such a good coach. He would be such a good coach. But also, even when Cutter decided to retire, like he just said a lot of things to him.

Like, he wasn't disappointed. He was like, look, man, you're getting a head start at your second chapter that, like, a lot of guys don't get. And, like, sometimes maybe I wish I got. like where I felt like I had to like keep up a life where you're going to get to start something and you're young and you're going to do great things for your family and just always very positive and supportive of his kids and for that I really appreciate him. That's amazing.

Yeah. That's amazing. It's nice to hear. Yeah. And so, so Bo Dykstra. I mean, come on. That's another good one. Cutter and Bo Dykstra.

I mean, Bo Dykstra. You just want to see him succeed. He's such a dude, too. Busy. Like all my guy friends just love him. He's such a dude. But he's obsessed with hockey. See, now that, it's amazing because Cutter, Lenny, baseball, and now Bo hockey.

How did Bo get in a freaking hockey? Well, Cutter loves the Kings, and my dad loves the Rangers. Like, diehard Ranger fan. Diehard Ranger fan. So Bo knows all the range. Bo's been to more Ranger games than he has King games. Like when we play, like, I'm always Henrique, the goalie. Henrik.

Henrik. Henrik. Longquist. He has a McDonough jersey, you know, like, but he skates. He takes skating lessons because he's not four yet. But when he turns four, he could join the Little Kings. Oh, man. But he's great.

I mean, it's amazing. I mean, like, I get him in the gear. It's so annoying. Here's what I want you to do, though. Here's what I want you to do. If you're really going to be a hockey mom, you've got to bring back the old Jamie Lynn Sigler from back in the day, you know, the accent that you changed. Yeah. Like the dog.

Yeah. The dog. And I want you to be screaming in the stands. Come on, Bo. Come on, Bo, knock him on his ears. It was so funny, he said to me the other day, because all we do all day is either play baseball or hockey or some maybe ninja superhero in between,

but then it's always back to one and the other two. He said to me, hey, mom, I was like, yeah, are you going to cheer really loud for me when I'm in little leagues? And I'm like, yeah. Am I going to embarrass you? Okay, I didn't know where he was going with that because I don't know if he understands, like, how to be embarrassed yet. But I was like, yeah, yeah, I am.

He's like, okay, just checking. That's amazing. Because I saw one of your tweets talking about in terms of what a hockey mom does. Oh, well, I was looking for, like, they don't make, like, undergarments for him that little. Like, what do you mean? Like, the onesies, the onesie long john? Well, like, no, I wanted to get him, like, under, like, he like. Under Armour?

Yeah, like, under armor stuff. But I ended up somehow, like, it was like a loophole in, like, the website. It was like a secret door that I opened that I found, like, the toddler size. I don't know. It was like a freak. Because I've checked many times that I couldn't find it. Well, yeah, under his. pads I want him like warm

well here's the deal you sweat and then I just like within about I know I learned I used to have him in like a down coat under his and then his coach Dave was like yo Jamie within two minutes but he's padded up because he throws himself into the boards like he just like he wants to like

be like he the only way he learned how to skate was if the the co the his skating coach like put him in the bench and like called him out like everything has to be like a game of imagination for him and then he then he gets pumped up to go. So I don't even want to ask, what do you have next?

What's going on next? Because you're a mom and isn't that everything? It's a lot. Yes, but it's not. But what else you've written a book? You've written a book years ago. You did. Oh, I do want to ask you something.

What? Because I had this band The Sandwich and we're fun. We play for fun, but we're playing in Germany in this three city tour. We're like Southern Rock, 80s influence. We're like a certain music, but it's, we love it. We have a good time. I know that you record an album and that I read somewhere that you were embarrassed by it. So embarrassed.

But why would you be embarrassed for something? Because most people don't fucking do anything. They won't do it. Because I didn't, it's not, I'm like a Broadway singer. Like, it just, like, wasn't me. It was, like, trying to, like, fit in at the time of, like, the Britney Spears, whatever. It was, like, a pop album. And it just, it was like, I was in the middle of shooting sopranos and I should have been doing, like, cooler things than like that.

What was one of the songs on your album called? Cry baby. How to go. Oh, got it. Don't even ask me. It like, it was like, crap, baby, bop, bop, but. Pretty much. Just like that.

But you did it. But I did it You did it, man A lot of people see Look, in December I said Fuck it, man I am I'm petrified to be a stand-a-com comedian

I've talked about this Probably Don't talk about it again I thought you like always were a stand-a-old No, I'd never done stand-up I said I'm gonna do it because it scares the shit I mean I'm gonna do music And I did them both

And I'm just, it's scary But I said and so I applaud you for That's great, you too Making an album man You just gotta do it We're all gonna die man Who gives a shit You're right

I do have that attitude lately But I will say like Being a mom is not enough for me I love being a mom But I want other things too. Like I want my own career still and I want my own stuff. You know, I want, I still, because I'll go through months where I don't work and then a job will come along and I'll do it and I'll be like, fuck, yeah, I really do love this. Yeah.

And I just learned like some people, like my sister-in-law just like love being a mom and that's enough for them. And like I went through the guilt of feeling like that should be enough for me. Like why am I like am I a bad mom because it's not enough for me. it just isn't. I'm just being honest. Like I just, I need other things because I feel like when I do get those other things, I am a better mom. And he's better for it because other, like, he went through this phase where like he couldn't be with anybody but me. And that's not healthy for either of us. And I was fucking tired. And my patience was worn thin. But when I get breaks, I'm like, such a better mom. You need you time, don't you, Jamie? Lots of it. What's your social media

handle? Where can people find you? My Twitter is Jamie L. Sigler, because Jamie Lynn Siggler's too long. And my Instagram is Jimmy Lensigler. This has been incredibly insightful. I was, uh, it's great. I really feel like I know you now. I feel like,

you know? You know? It just is, it's like it's, next time we'll talk more about you. I don't think we need to do that. Yeah. Well, for me.

I don't know. I'm learning about me every day. Invite me your next game night then. Really? Maybe I'll have a game night. Have a game night. Maybe we'll host it, like old times. Yes.

Yeah. I'll bring Cutter. I'd love, I haven't met. He loves games. I'd love to hang out with Carter. Yes. I would. What about Lenny?

Would he come? If he's in town, I'm sure he would love to. I want to meet Lenny. Okay. You will. That's nails, man. You will. Look, this has honestly been not only insightful, but I think you're an incredibly brave woman.

Thanks. And you're beautiful and talented. And I'm glad you did this. Me too. I want to thank you for allowing me to be inside of you. Jamie Sigler. It was a pleasure. Jamie Lynn Sigler.

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