Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - JARED HARRIS: Mad Men Secrets, Richard Harris Chaos & Lessons From Chernobyl

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

Jared Harris (Chernobyl, Mad Men) joins us this week for a deeply personal and fascinating conversation about legacy, loss, and learning to trust himself as an actor. He opens up about growing up with his father Richard Harris, how that chaotic love shaped his view of art and fame, and the long road it took to find his own voice. Jared shares candid stories from Mad Men and Chernobyl, the pain of being written off a show, and the surprising moments of grace that came from failure. Thank you to our sponsors: 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Get no frills delivered. Shop the same in-store prices online and enjoy unlimited delivery with PC Express Pass. Get your first year for $250 a month. Learn more at pceexpress.ca.c.a. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Ryan, how you doing, buddy? I'm all right. How are you?

I'm good. I'm back from Amsterdam. It was a long haul, but it was great. I'm very jealous. Amsterdam's one of the best cities in the world. You guys haven't been there. I love it there, but a couple times. I just loved it. Isn't it great?

Yeah. Just walk around and shops everywhere and art and food. And I'm not really into art and food, but I was there. That's a place for it. It was just great. I went to the, uh, in Frank House. I definitely cried. Yeah.

I got emotional. I wasn't expecting because I had been before. a long time ago but this time it just hit me i really read the whole story and how her father you know surviving the holocaust and came back only to find out that his daughters didn't make it and just crushed me and yeah but umsterdam was great i hope you guys are doing well thanks for joining me uh if you're here for jared harris you're a big fan well you came to the right place because i'm a big fan as well i i think when you watch the interview you'll notice i'm i'm a fan i was very excited to have him here he uh it was the first interview we did late at night

it was i think we did it at like five or six o'clock at night and uh but he was full of enthusiasm he was he was really fun and we talked about his father um richard harris of course and uh his family work madmen um Chernobyl and so much more things that are coming out he's a he's a true talent and I just loved him. So I hope I'll get to see Jared again. It was a delight. Yeah. And thanks to my friend Gary Marks for hooking that up.

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get into it let's do it let's get inside of Jared Harris it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum inside of you inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. First thing you do is you walk in, you start looking around the room. I thought, for sure, he won't know any of the shit around me,

the posters, the Indiana Jones, what's it called? The Matusu, isn't it? Because he holds it up and goes, like, what's on the Matusu or something like this. And your wife, you took a picture of the Sean of the Dead poster?

That's her favorite movie. Sean of the Dead, her favorite movie. We watch it together and she sits there and she quotes the film, then she'll tell you all of the references what the little Easter eggs are as it's happening

what the connections were to when they say this it's setting up something that's coming up later or this because of that yeah it's amazing do you like when people are giving you those kind of directions I have seen it so many times that I do enjoy that if I've never seen the movie it drives me crazy because I want to experience the movie

and Return of the Living Dead you like that movie I remember that yes because you know that was when that they started to mix the horror comedy genre. And it wasn't just all about, you know, body horror or violence porn or stuff like, which I can't stand that stuff. Right, right. I've never watched a Saw movie.

My agent sent me, said, oh, Eli Roth really wants to meet you for Hostel 2. I said, what's Hostel 2? He said, hostel is a huge movie giant. He made lots of money. And he wants to meet you. I said, I've seen Hostel. He goes, go and rent it. And I went and rented it.

It was brilliantly constructed. right you know really well written but i had to take three showers to get the memory off of me and i called my agent and said don't ever do that to me again in no circumstance it bothered you it was just it was about it was about exciting the worst part of human nature which is it's about torturing people it was horrible and there was also that horrible psychological thing about that film as well which was that um because it was clever in the way that you thought it was about some weird serial killer, but then you realize...

All these people are paying. People are paying to... It was disgusting. But you know that that exists and that's what haunts you. Yes, it's the depravity of human nature, of course. Yeah. It's disgusting.

I hated it. I actually hated it. And then there was Return of the Living Dead. That was so much fun. That's what I mean, because it was funny and Evil Dead too, because it was funny. You know, you could laugh as well as going, oh, like, you know.

Yeah. It was a good time. Bruce Campbell was just, as you were saying, He was Jim Carrey before Jim Carrey. Yeah, physical comedy. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Are you pretty good with physical comedy?

I don't know. I think if I was, I would have you'd have seen it, probably. See, I think you could do a lot of great comedy. I do comedy. You do physical comedy. You qualify it. Physical comedy. Yeah.

Like falling. I do a lot of falling in real life, because my wife will tell you. She calls me calamity, is my nickname. Is that your nickname? Yeah, but please, I shouldn't have fucking told you that. I thought, so Calamity, I thought you would be more serious. Well, I can be serious. Well, you don't have to get serious.

But like, are you in real life? Because you're such an actor's actor and you've trained and you've done all this. But at the same time, when you're not, camera's not rolling, are you a bit of a goofball? Yeah, I know, you like to have fun and, you know, have a laugh. And, yeah, I mean, it depends what it's about. You can get serious. What's a movie? you've done or a play or something where you have to stay in it.

You can't be joking around. You can't take your mind off things. Any kind of Shakespeare? I mean, the Shakespeare stuff, you find that when you're in rehearsal, you're pretty serious about, but by the time you're in the sort of fourth week of the run,

people are having fun because you can't stay in that place for three and a half hours. You'll go crazy. You have to be able to, you know, around below stage i mean we we we would have i just finished playing uh claudius claudius at the rc in hamlet um you know people would be having jokes and and i'm literally before they would go on stage because you can switch into it you know where that place is now so you can just switch right

into it do it and then come off and you don't have to be there you know yeah that seems like i would be so stressed all the time like it's to me but you'll burn yourself out if you do that You won't make the end of the run. Have you done that before? I don't, I mean, that's sort of more of a thing if you feel like you still haven't got it. You haven't found it yet. So you're still digging for it. You're not happy yet.

You're still digging. And there were moments in the play where I still was struggling for find something. And so I wasn't pissing around so much in those moments before I went on. But if, yeah, if you haven't, you haven't feel like you've got it yet, unearthed it yet, then you probably stay focused. you know and drive yourself crazy yeah have you worked with actors who you're doing a show and it seems like they haven't gotten it at all throughout the entire run they still haven't gotten it or they're still flubbing lines and you're have you dealt with that i i did well i did a play where

one of the actors never properly ever quite learned their lines and they would sort of extemporize and it was a Shakespeare play and you go yeah I'm pretty sure people know what's supposed to be you can't really make up ad-lib Shakespeare but yeah that was he was ad-libbing Shakespeare yeah because he was trying to let he he was grasping for what the words were so he would I don't want to I don't want to quote it was I don't I don't want to embarrass the person no no but were you frustrated I mean in the beginning but after a while you realize that that's what it is so then you just see you have to accommodate and then figure out how you're going to make sure that you can pick the ball up and, you know, help that person to the next bit.

Mostly, it creates anxiety because you want to help that person. Right. Get to where they want to get to, you know. You can't just leave someone floundering on stage. You know, you have to help them. Yeah. You just met Bruce Springsteen. Very briefly, I met him.

You're already smiling. Well, I went up. It was at the Academy. museum gala and and he was there and and the thing it ended and I was sitting there going I just really wanted me Bruce Springsteen and I'm not going to meet him down and then he was he didn't rush out you know normally there's guys like people that that big they you know the security comes and they put a cordon around them yeah no he was fine hanging and everything and I thought oh this is my chance and a friend was with me

He goes, look, he's still here, go on. So I went up, and he was chatting to somebody else. And I waited until he'd finished that conversation. And before, he looked like he was about to move towards the exit. So I touched his arm, and I went, excuse me, sir. And I had a whole little thing where I knew exactly what I was going to say. Don't take up too much of his time. And say, here's what you're going to say, Jared.

It's like 30 seconds, and then that's going to be it. And he turned and he looked at me. And his eyes lit up. He went, hey, I know you. And he says, yeah, I've seen you. You're the actor. And I went, ooh-hoo. And I just squeaks came out of my mouth.

And it's one huge, you're trying, huge rat, I'm going to go. Are you serious? You just freaked out? I just totally lost it. But in the most... He recognized you. In the most fantastic, childlike...

Yeah, the most honest way of what possible. I just completely, yeah, I fan-boid it. But I had a whole thing, I was going to sit there and say that how yeah, that I, I want to hear what you're going to say. It was along the lines of, I'd written a script about one of his songs. First of all, Nebraska, an amazing album, loved it. Yeah. That's what it was connected to the movie that's coming out, which is about the making of Nebraska.

And I'd written a screenplay in one of the songs, and he was going to ask me which one. I was going to say, Highway Patrolman, he was going to go, oh, yeah, you know, because two movies are made about that. I was going to say, the funny thing is that I had written a script, and I gave it to a producer friend of mine who was going to can and she said i'll read it and when i get back we'll talk and she got back and she called me up and i said well did you read it she said i did i said well what do you think she goes i've got good news and bad news i said okay give me the good news i read your script it's really good i went okay what's the bad news i just saw your movie and can it was called miles from home same movie same song what yeah someone had made that movie and then i thought well wait i wait for a while

and then I'll try again and then Sean Penn made it. It's called Indian Runner. And he would laugh and we would have this whole body moment. This is the whole part of it. Yeah. And I was like,

it all went up and smoke. And he just became a kid again. As soon as his eyes lit up. I was like, I'm in trouble. Were you listening to Bruce Springsteen growing up? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. My elder brother introduced me to it. He sent me out to go and buy the Born to Run album. Oh, yeah. And yeah. just as hooked was that your brother that's the director yeah are you guys pretty tight yeah you guys did a movie together yeah we did a movie yeah that's a bit of a sad story but yeah we had a

great time working together on it it was a really beautiful story a beautiful movie but uh you know the the studio that had nothing to do with making the film um uh they didn't even buy it but they took the movie and re-edited it and turned it into like the hallmark version of itself Did it just break his heart, break your heart? My heart, I suppose my biggest professional disappointment would be that movie. Because it was a whole community that came together

to help make this film. And the film was funded by, it's basically, it's a school teacher called Stan Dean who had helped this boy called Real Person, his name was, he changed his last name. It became Nate Dean there.

He ended up being adopted by Stan. who was about to become a sort of permanent federal, you know, three strikes near out. And Stan took him under his wing and straightened him out and helped him basically realign his life. But in doing that, realized that there was this sort of traumatic history, a backstory to this boy's life that happened when he was sort of four or five years old and that his family had sort of gaslit him into believing if this thing hadn't happened. And because he was in a safe space, he started to remember. the things that had happened, this particular event that had happened. And, you know, the memories weren't coming in a linear way.

There were flashes and he was trying to figure what it meant out. So he finally puts it all together. But, you know, and the movie was funded by people who had either been taught by this teacher, Stan Dean, or whose children had had similarly their lives had been turned around. And one of the things he would do because he was a literature and theater professor there and a director is he'd see someone in the school

who was being ostracized starting to drift and he'd go, he picked that person and he'd give him a part in the school play but he'd give him a part of the school play where they would shine and suddenly the whole attitude of the school towards that person

and the boys towards that the student body would completely change towards that person and their confidence would just... I wish more people could do that in real life. So, you know, it was made by people who knew this man who loved him and yeah anyway and it just didn't come out the

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Don't do that. Yeah. How short? You know, we'd say a bit too goofy or it feels like you're milking it or, you know, and I could say whatever he wants to say because I wouldn't be offended. you know and then i could spot what's going on with him and i'd say it's the first ad go um go get him something to eat like he's tired yeah i can see his mood's turning you know what i mean right um yeah we just looked out for each other and um that's nice yeah it was really good it was a really

good experience and he's got a fantastic sense of humor and he did an amazing job with that movie because they had no money and no time to make it and he had to do what a lot of great directors do which is you're going to figure out how to make cover a scene in three setups, you know? Yeah, what's important. Yeah, and then you move your actors. You move your actors into over the shoulder. It's what Spielberg does all the time. He moves his actors from a two shot into an overshoulder into a single and then has

them move around. And suddenly you've got a wide master, you know? Yeah. And movement, energy. Yeah. That's what he does. When do you know that in your career, when you get on to a movie set, how soon after do you realize I'm working with someone who knows what the fuck he's doing.

Well, hopefully every single time. But it doesn't happen every time. Or maybe it's a sense of direction. You're not getting direction like you need or he's not being specific enough or. You know, honestly, I think the only time that you, it's when you're working with first time directors that who's, if they've written the script, they tend to think like writers more than directors and they will circle the wagons around their script to protect the script whereas a director's not going to do that a director is going to take the script as material for his imagination to start

figuring out what they want to do with it they want to do something with it they don't want to just shoot the script they do something with it and then the other thing and this is a sort of chat that I would always have first time directors is I would say I'm going to tell you the mistake that all first time directors make and when I I tell it to you, you're going to say it doesn't apply to you. But he goes, go on, we'll tell me. And I say, here's the thing. It doesn't

matter whether the idea is yours or not. Your name is on the movie. And therefore, any idea that you choose to be in the movie is your idea because that's your job. Every 45 seconds, you have to make a choice and a decision about something.

So where the idea comes from is immaterial. The fact that you choose it, is makes it your idea and they go no no no i you know they all have to come from my yeah that doesn't apply to me every single one would say that because you'd sit there and you go you know you can get an idea from someone who's in catering yeah i mean whatever it's a good idea it's a good idea something's yeah it's a good idea it's a good idea it wasn't in my thought i hadn't thought of that it didn't come from me it's too much pride isn't it it's too much ego it's too much

Auteur theory. Right. It's still that close to film school, where they, they've had the whole French New Wave Auteur theory. That's kind of like the director you want to work with is when you have an idea and they're like, it's not ego. It's like, that's a good idea. How can we do that?

It's a good idea. We're going to have to rely, I'm stealing it. Let's figure that out because that's really good. Yeah. Because I want to make the movie better. Yeah. Has that happened a lot while you're, yeah. I mean, all the good directors, because they hear a good idea, they take it and it's theirs.

How do you prepare for a role? Because I've seen all these roles you've done. And it's just like, you know, Chernobyl and Mad Men and the crown and all these things. And I'm just like how much preparation goes into sometimes you're not given. Like I know that sometimes you'll be hired a week before. And you don't have a lot of time. Is there an example of that where you weren't given a lot of time? And then all of a sudden, you know, you had to just dive into it and you had a couple days.

Yeah, there's a bunch of ones like that. You know, you know that whatever, or someone fell out or I've got a film coming out in November called Reawakening. That was a, it's a British independent movie. And I joined that one really late because that one they were going to put together and then the pandemic hit. And then they were able to, through the first sort of run of the pandemic, like a year into it, they were able to, people were making films. going to be able to do it again. So they put it together and the guy that they had originally couldn't do it. And so they suddenly had to scramble to find someone to take over.

And I was finishing season three of Foundation and they sent me the script. They said, this is going to be a quick read because they're shooting in, you know, I think a week after I finished Foundation, they were going to be shooting, which was about it. I don't know, one and a half weeks from where we were off, you know. And I read it. Wow. fantastic. So, yeah, one of the best pieces of advice is that my teacher told me at school,

the principal at drama school is, you know, you don't have time always to do lots of research, and you have to learn how to sketch, because you're going to go into an audition, and they're going to throw something at you, and you have to figure out on the spot how to come up with something, because you don't have three weeks to go off and prepare. You don't have eight weeks of rehearsal.

That's not going to be true every single time. So you have to figure out how to sketch. And the first time that really properly landed with me was when I went to audition for Mad Men because there's such secrecy around that that you get the, I got the two sides of two scenes and all the names are changed. So you don't know who your scenes are really. with because they don't want anything to get out about and at that point it was three seasons in there was a lot of media interest in it so the names aren't the same the headline where it says

it's taking place all of it's completely changed you've got no idea at all who you're talking to or what's going on in no context and I offer the same job to two different people and those are the two scenes so I just thought I'm a Machiavell You know? And so I did the audition and Matt goes, no, no, no. He says, why does everyone do the scene the same way? I mean, he says, no. And he explained it to me. He says, look, you've been told by your boss because they've got some idea that's come through business theory, that competition is a good thing for you to offer the same job to two different people in the same company. You think it's a stupid idea. But you've been told to do it and you're a good company man. that's what you're done, you know? So that's what it is. And so then I went, okay, now I've got to do, and I went, but I'm English, which means that part of me knows that I'm lying to these, but I'm offering this job for something that I don't think is real. So you're going to be slight, somewhere inside you, you're going to be embarrassed because all English people are

basically embarrassed all the time about something. And, yeah, so I did it. And he, and it was funny, you know, and he, after he turned around, I said, I told you these scenes were funny. That's good direction, right? Something that. Yes, but I mean, you don't know that ahead of time. Right. So you had to quickly on the spot go, okay, who is this person? He's the complete opposite of what I thought he would be, you know?

So whatever I had in my mind is a conceptualization of it. So, yeah, it was the idea of make a sketch quickly. What about nerves? Like, how do you separate nerves from, you know, because fear gets in the way a lot. That's, I think that's the big hindrance for most of us. like we make decisions based on fear and so you know when you get a role and you have a few days or a week to prepare do you immediately think can i can i can i do this can i or are you confident and like i know i could do this i mean no nerves do kick in i mean i mean they always you know

you can't sleep before your first night on set ever whatever it is you know you've got some huge scene coming up you can't really sleep that night either because you don't know if it's going to be there or not um um and i mean sometimes if the things like is hugely daunting you just have to think about that phrase about eating an elephant it's one bite of the time you know so i haven't heard that phrase you haven't no how do you eat an elephant one bite at a time you know you just can't think about how do i eat this huge thing you just one piece at a time yeah yeah i mean you know and and the other thing is is i remember again watching on on madmen these guys of fantastic actors who've been on it for a while and always almost across the board

not with say john ham or elizabeth but almost across the board loose-goosey in the master and the sort of the loose mast and everything but you then break it down into the close-up and there's just a little bit of a tiny bit less of that sort of the spontaneity and the freedom of thought yeah so i you know and i think it just takes a while i think it's also the environment too because there's a lot of pressure on that i think if the environment's comfortable um then you can you know you can sort of you're not worried about getting it right you know you can get it wrong that was the beauty of drama school if everyone asked me about just Is it worth going to drama school?

I always say you should because it's the last time you're not going to worry about falling flat on your face because the whole idea of those places is for you to fall flat on your face. They deliberately miscast you, you know, so that you'll, if you fall flat in your face and figure out why. They want you to fail. Yes, you have the freedom of failing. That's the whole idea of it because you won't have that once you get out. Failure will be too big a risk. So you don't feel of fear of failure.

you're anymore? Yeah, of course they do. Yeah. Yeah. I just hope that the editor gets me out. I mean, when you're doing a scene like the scene where you're laying price, right? Yeah. Where you're in trouble for embezzling money.

That scene with John. With John. Yeah. Is that something as an actor, do you look forward to? Like, oh, this is going to be good. It was really, I mean, it's obviously, it was a huge opportunity. But at the same time, I knew I was going to be no longer on the show. So that was sucked.

When did you know that? So Matt would do, you do a read-through before every episode, and they shoot in order. So the lunchtime before the day that episode is going to start shooting, you get together for a reading. And Matt is always at that, and then he will always, he wants to talk to the cast to give them notes specifically because he couldn't come down to the stage floor all the time. He would be there either editing the episode before, writing the one that's coming up. dealing with problems, you know, but he would make it down for big scenes. They were really important, but most of the time he wouldn't be there. So he wanted to give you the notes and give you little pointers about what to do. And he looks to me, he goes, Jared, don't

leave. I need to talk to you. So just take a seat. And I'll get to you. I'll get to you. And he walks his way around the room. He goes, yeah, I see you. See, don't worry. I'm going to get to you. And he basically got to everyone else. So it was just the two of us. And he goes, let's come back to my office. You knew. No, I didn't know at that point. I thought, oh, shit, okay have I done something you know what's going on and then we were waiting for the lift and Matt is one of the best conversationalists you'll ever meet in your life if you're sat next him at dinner party you're golden you know he's absolutely charming delightful funny incredibly intelligent really knowledgeable and we're standing waiting for the lift and he starts talking about

the weather and at that point I went on fuck what the fuck and then we walked down the corridor And as you get to his room, he goes, I've got this really, really good, expensive brandy. Would you like a glass? I went, oh, for God's sakes. What are you doing? You firing me? What's going on? You said that?

Yeah. And he went, no, I'm really sorry. Yeah, I'm not firing you, but I'm, yeah, I'm writing the character off. He said, but it's a really great, it's a great episode. It's a really great scene. And he pitched it all to me. And when he told me the bit about where the Jaguar won't start, I fell off the chair laughing. Because I knew, he was a brilliant setup.

Yeah. And he's an incredible writer because that joke of the Jaguar not starting made you think it wasn't going to happen. Lane wasn't going to kill himself. Right. So he set it up that he's going to kill himself. Then he gives you a fake out so you think, oh, well, that's being paid off. And then when he's hung himself, which he's told you all along is going to happen, you're still surprised. He's incredible.

That's amazing. But wait, you asked me a specific question. Oh, that scene. Were you excited? Yeah. I mean, it was a juicy scene, you know, and you'd think about all the different tactics. that the person is going to use and for me reading it

when I was reading the scene I remember thinking I can get out of this I know Jared could get out of this situation I know exactly what That's what you have to believe and what to say

that I personally if I was in this situation I would not walk out of that room having been fired because I knew what to do I could blackmail them because they had pimped out Joan and I know that I couldn't make

their life hell they're not going to fucking fire me I'm going to be here I'm keeping his job. And then I went, well, why the fuck doesn't Lane do all that? Why doesn't he do that? It must have occurred to him, and he couldn't. And that, I used to say I'm learning something else about the character

because all the tactics that would be available to me for some reason aren't available to him, you know? And even though he brings it up, he says, who would have heard the word Jaguar? And he kind of brings it up, but he won't point towards, and you pimped out, Joan, and I know, you know. how would you think the reputation of this company would be? Wow.

So, yeah, it was a good scene. Yeah. I do remember I got one tip from John because there was a line about saying, he's saying, I didn't sign it. And I said, yes, you did. You signed it right there. And he signs his checks on the, always on the desk. And I was pointing, I said, you signed it right there.

And he went, Chad, I think, right there is pointing. It was my signature on the check. i don't want to say that's just i'm not trying to give you direction i think i think when you're saying yes you did right there i think you're pointing at the check at that point good point john thank you that's amazing he was trying to be respectful but yeah just want to say yeah is it weird when you know you're not going to be on the show do you know do you start telling everybody you feel like you have to just tell you know what is i made a deal with matt because uh Sherlock Holmes 2 was coming out

and right as we were shooting my last episode and if they could rearrange the schedule because there were enough days off that I had because I wasn't on every day of the, it was like a I think a 10 or 12 day shoot at that point each episode. Jesus.

That they could arrange it so that I could do the press tour here and then the press tour in London And I knew that was going to be a big, important move for me, that movie. And the line Scott Hornbacker said, you know, I understand, I've tried to look at it. And I'm not going to be able to. It's going to be a Matt's call, Matt's decision. But I can't without him saying it.

So I said to Matt, if you tell Scott to rearrange the schedule, I promise you that I will not go up for pilot season this year. that nobody knows that I'm no longer on the show. So when that episode airs, it will be a surprise. Are you serious? Yeah. Wow. So, wait, none of the cast really knew? Well, they did.

But my agent didn't know. What? He's watching the episode and he goes, he calls me out to fuck, child, you're dead. You can't be. You didn't tell me. Yeah. I didn't tell anybody.

But my wife knew. She was the only person in you. because I came back from that meeting with Matt on episode 10 and was a little bit teary she said what's wrong I'm not supposed to fuck it I'm going to tell you because I can steal track

and I told her yeah do you like watching yourself no no no not at all 10 years later I can watch it because I sit you're critical of yourself you sit there and you go why do you do it like that why do you say it this way is it more about the looks or is it more about

performance performance So you're sitting there, you're sitting in the garden, you know, that would have worked if you just tilted your head up about a little bit more and then put your focus over there. Or you held that moment a bit longer, that would have landed or something about it. You didn't need to hold, you didn't need to try and drive that bit. You could have thrown it away and it would be more effective. And you're constantly analyzing. So you just watch your hands with it for at least years. Yeah, 10 years later, I can watch it.

It's not me anymore. So you haven't seen Chernobyl? Yeah, I have seen Trinople. I mean, you won an award? I mean, it was difficult because I'd sat there and just kept slapping my forehead through lots of it. That was- I enjoy it when other people are on screen.

I've watched them and I love it. I'm completely in it and I'm 100% engrossed in the story. Who are those actors that you just love watching? There's so many. That's difficult. There's lots. I mean, go back, like even your favorites of all time. I mean, I was into the obvious.

guys to start off with, you know, O'Toole and Burton and Dad, obviously, and Finney and Olivier and Brando. Who have you worked with it you just absolutely loved working with and thought, man, this is really a great actor? I tell you something, I remember because I directed an episode of Mad Men. And so before I did that, I had to shadow for an episode. and watching John Hams single made me realize that you could watch his single of a scene

in which he's in it but he's not delivering one of his famous monologues and you knew exactly what Don Draper's thought of everything that was going on in that scene and you could have played all the dialogue as a voiceover and just done watched his single and there was a story being told you know and elizabeth moss was the same way and that was a real education uh watching that i think um i remember watching robert his the way that he his relationship with the camera was just really instructive to me in the same way that i i when i watched mel gipson in in some movies and it's just their their understanding of how to use the camera to tell the story that you want to tell and for it to pick up what you're thinking.

You know, it was, again, educational. Did it take you time to transition from theater into movies and understanding just being on camera and how little you have to do or how big you could be, all those things like how long did it take you to really adapt? Well, you know, unfortunately at drama school, there was one. one term where they, we had our acting for camera class. Yeah. And every class was going to be photographed with videotapes.

So you'd be able to see yourself. And on the third day of school, someone stole all the camera equipment. So it was just another acting class. And so you never, you never got the benefit of it. And they, but the thing is, it takes a while of watching yourself to learn what is coming across and what isn't coming across. And mostly in this business, you do that on the job, which is weird. And the thing that I did notice was the second that you can relax on camera, you're

immediately a good actor. You immediately become a lot better. Yeah. You know, you're immediately good because once you can relax, you can think. You know, and if you can think and allow yourself those thoughts to, you know, to, to, to, to change what you're doing, to influence what you're going to say, how you're going to say it, when you're going to say it, you immediately become a better act, much better eye. That's so true.

I notice even when I'm acting, the best moments I'll have when you're completely confident. You're not worrying about all these bullshit things where the camera is, how far it is, who's there, who's where your mark is. It's just your, you're just being. and that's rare right it doesn't always happen that way it doesn't it was cameras are stuffed down your face you've got to deliver this speech like you've got 10 minutes before they're going to pull the plug and something so there's all there lots of other pressures there but yes that is that immediately that's instructive as well because

your um the the goal would be for you to be able to relax to the point where you can um you're in touch with your impulses, you know. Yeah. I mean, you know, I watched, I did a summer where I hadn't worked for ages and I was doing a kind of workshop production of Edipus Rex with Al Pacino and I was the chorus. And I was in, I seen him in theater many times and this is the time that he buys himself on stage is just amazing and you never feel like you're waiting or it's slow down or something there's always there's always attention involved you know and it's and then at one point he started

talking about how because of his home situation he had to leave school early and start working in the very young age i think i forget how young it was like 10 or something and so his only real formal education was when he went to the actor's studio and that's all about the impulse and you don't say anything or do it until he feel the impulse. So there was a sort of, his work

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and with their latest update, they'll discover their family origins like never before, with even more precise regions and new and exclusive features. Their best gift, our lowest price, 50% off Ancestry DNA, only until December 2nd. Visit Ancestry.ca for more details. Terms apply. I mean, you talk about your father as one of the icons or one of the people you looked up to acting. I mean, it's been asked millions of times, but I just wonder, because I grew up with my father and he worked at a pharmaceutical company and I had my relationship and that was my relationship and I didn't seem a lot. He was tough and he was, you know, I just wonder what it would be like having Richard Harris as a father. I mean, I only had, the thing of people, I get asked this question a lot, but the thing is, it was the norm to me, you know what I?

Yeah. So, but I, but, you know, he. was a outrageous huge larger than life personality he he always wanted he never sort of imposed rules upon us that so that we weren't able to be kids you know that's awesome we when we would be with him he would it wasn't well you're in the adult world now and you must behave like adults he was no you're children you behave like children and you know don't worry about breaking something we i remember i've told the story a lot but we he brought this house in the bahamas and when we arrived to it the first time it's like an 11-hour flight or something and we've been

stuck on his tube with kids with all this boys as well just endless restless energy that you're sitting in the seat and the plane and you're going crazy you know we arrive at the house and of course we've got a football with us and the first thing we're doing in the living where me and my two brother we start kicking the football around breaking shit and and he he was uh he'd been divorced for my mother for a while and he was with his new girlfriend who eventually became his wife and we start breaking shit and she goes hey you know don't break so stop playing the ball and you know we could have we could have gotten fifty dollars for that you know the thing that you just broke and dad immediately gets his backup and he goes um if you can break the other one of those i'll

give you with your head with a header i'll give you two hundred dollars so you remember that vividly yeah vividly because he's basically saying don't talk to my children like that you know if the kids don't impose those rules and here i'm going to incentivize them to basically break rules that's which is what he did he was a rule breaker you know someone say you can't do this as immediately he would go right how do i do that are you a rule breaker not like that no way a little bit well certain things but It can't be such a rule breaker these days anyway. Yeah, I think it would have been different for those guys. If they were in this era, it would have been very difficult, you know, with all the cameras and the around.

They would have found a way. Yeah. Well, you do it in secret, which is the great thing about they weren't doing it in secret. But then they would live in life, their life in public. Yeah. You know. There was no pressure ever to become an actor or the opposite. Opposite.

Really? Yeah. Did he say something? You like, don't do this? I, well, I was the middle. So, you know, the middle child tend to be quite argumentative. Like, you're fighting your corner the whole time with an older and a younger brother. So they think they thought, well, he likes to argue.

He'll be a good lawyer, you know. And then my elder brother, he, you know, we all hated school. It was a Benedictine monk school, one of my base monks and he was lots of rules and he hated it. And he managed to get himself out of school early, but my mother said, you're going to have to take your exams until you pass them. You're not doing anything else. And I realized that there was no way out of this. So I decided I was going to pass them on my first attempt. So I put my head down and made sure I did.

And they went, well, he likes academics as well. So maybe he could be a teacher. And I went no way. And that's why I came to America. I went to Duke University. and he I remember I sort of stumble into theatre I mean I was I must have been curious about it because of him but I remember I it was end of what do they call it

orientation week and you're basically you know you've got all these freshmen who've never been away from home before I was away from home from seven so that part wasn't news to me and they would have all these mixes in the evening with kegs of beer and get you pissed, you know. And I remember it was the Sunday and I was realized I was back in school again. I'd been in school, boarding school, since I was seven.

I was like, well, this, I got out of England, which is what I wanted to do to get away from my family and figure out what I wanted to do. But I'm back in school again. So this didn't really work out right, exactly. And there was a flyer on the table that said free keg of beer at Branson Theatre. and I thought, I don't know, I'm just going to go along there and I'll figure this out tomorrow.

And they were, you know, I ended up auditioning for a play. I got cast in it. It was an Agatha Christie play called A Murder Is Announced. I was cast in like the smallest part in the play, the constable. And years later, the director of that play, I became good friends with him. He taught the acting classes and he ran the drama program. and he had moved up to New York and had quit theatre

and was working for ABC and my first break was playing Warhol and I shot Andy Warhol and it was opening in New York and I said to him, come along, you be my date, you know, because you cast me in my first play. Come along and you be my date

and walk up the red carpet with me, right? And someone goes, oh, so you cast him in his first play? He goes, yes, you must be very proud of it. I am because did you ever imagine? Well, who could imagine this? So all those years ago, you cast them in your first play, yes, and you must have seen this great talent in him. He went, no, I didn't see any talent at all. I was doing an English play and I needed him to keep an eye on the accents for me. That's amazing. He said that. He said,

that is brilliant. Say it all the way up. Every time anyone asks you this question, say that all the way up. That's amazing. But going back to the thing about dad, my mother came to see me in some plays there, and she said, you should go and see him. He's really very good. And he went, well, you would say that. You're his mother. And he didn't come and see me in anything until I'd graduated.

And I'd made a movie when I'd been at Duke called Dartmoor, which is a pretentious movie. Really the only good thing about it was the cinematography, which this guy called Jeff Bennett at the school is a good friend of mine. He taught himself. He's the only genius that I think probably I've ever met. he taught himself cinematography and built a whole Dolly system with a track system so he could have Dolly shots.

Wow. He was building a plane in his garage at home. Anyway, he came to see the movie in the afternoon and he was going to see me in a play. I was an entertaining Mr. Sloan in the evening and to tell me be a director. And I will never forget, five minutes into the plane, I got my first laugh out of him.

And I could hear it. I knew it was him. And I can still hear the laugh. Does he have a big, did he have a bit? Like it was just a big, yeah, belting. Yeah. And I, and I came out at the end of the play and went after, you know,

he got himself cleaned up and met him afterwards by the stage door. And he was just so excited because there was this whole world that we had in common now that he could share with me. And, you know, I would sit and talk to him about, I mean, vividly remember. remember him reenacting Olivier's death scene in Coriolanus in the theatre. Wow! O'Toole's It was a Brecht play.

His Hamlet was performances that he'd seen and why, what their interpretation was and how it was different from someone else's and what having an interpretation meant because it meant that you would believe. leaning on this as opposed to something else. And yeah, it was fascinating. I mean, what does it mean to you when you, you know,

because I think I've still been waiting for that as a kid to get my father's acceptance for him to say, hey, you're good, it's okay. I mean, that's... It means, I mean, I'll never, ever forget it. I mean, I can still see the look on his face, you know. That's awesome. That really is awesome. Yeah.

Remember that. I'm sure you envision that. or you have this vision even when you're having a bad day or you think you can't do something. You know, Danny DeVito said you disappear into any role. Oh. And you said thanks,

but that's not a compliment. No, that's slightly, you know, what happened was, I went to go meet him for a movie that he was directing. Good research, by the way.

Gary. Is it? Gary Marks, our good buddy Gary. What happened was I go into meet him and I walk in the room and he goes, God, he goes, I took a tell you,

I was so excited to meet you. I really was meeting all these people today. But I said, when's Jared coming? When's Jared coming? I was really excited to meet you because I had no idea. I didn't know how tall you were going to be. I didn't know what you're going to look like. I didn't know what you're going to sound like because I've seen your tape and you're so different in everything you've done.

He goes, I was so excited to meet you. It's such a brave thing you're doing. Good luck, kid. You're going to need it. And I went, what do you mean? And he said, really, I have to explain this to you? I said, yeah, I thought that's what the goal was. And he went, let me explain something to you.

He goes, a successful actor is a recognizable actor. You're starting from scratch every single time. So you've got to hope that eventually it catches up with you. Good luck, kid. You're going to need it. Oh, my God. Fucking DeVito. Yeah.

Well, he wasn't wrong, you know. Basically, he's saying people hire stars, you know? Yeah. They hire recognizable. If you're recognizable an actor, you've got value. to the people who are making it, the people who are fun. But you are. Well, you're now, obviously, a recognizable actor.

This is a long time ago. A long time ago. But you've built your presence. And what do you think? I mean, this is a tough question, but I always think, like, what's the toughest time in your life that you, it was just a tough time? Teen months out of work. Really?

Yeah. I always remember Michael Dorsey's comment from Tootsie, which is when, when, he's about to go upstate and pretend to be Dorothy and spend a weekend with Jessica Lang's character and Bill Murray goes, you know, you're going to go to hell doing this. And he goes, I don't believe in hell. I believe in unemployment, but not hell. And I went, yep, that's me. That's it. So you, like, you are happiest when you're working. Yeah, I love working. You love working. You haven't lost a bit of that passion or that little bit of that spark at all. It's good fun.

I just finished a movie up in Winnipeg. What movie? Violent Night 2. Oh, yeah. David Harbour. I like the first one. Yeah, it's good fun. It's really fun.

It's really fun. And just, again, actually, just let you play. You know, just let you play, try different things out. And you come and go, he goes, no, that didn't work. That wasn't funny. Or it was funny when you do this. And the thing was you, you know, if you're looking for funny, that wasn't funny. Like, not try, you know what I mean?

You're not trying to be funny. You're looking for funny. That's access. incidentally funny because the situation is serious, but, you know, there is a funny take on it, you know what I mean? Yeah. Rather than yucks. Yeah.

And it was, he was really smart and really good. I mean, with all the serious roles you do, it's probably nice to go up there and just have some fun. I was trying to look for comedy in everything that I've done, find a laugh somewhere. Even in Hamlet? No. Well, I was playing Claudia, definitely. Oh, yeah. I got a couple of laughs.

Right. I got a couple. Yeah, no, I was really proud of them as well. Even, I mean, in Chonovina. I remember asking Craig that I please just give me a joke or something funny went no no no no joke I said but the Russians have an incredibly dark sense of humor that for the more desperate and fucked up a situation gets the more their humor kicks in you know there's got to be some jokes here no no no no jokes like there's one joke in the whole thing um which stalin had yeah but uh

what was it you remember it was that thing when we're looking at the um uh the the the the the german you know robot that was supposed to clear the the debris off the the roof yeah yeah but uh but you're always looking for something always always i think you know that's one of the things that spillberg does incredibly well is that he you know he's building up tension in the scene and he looks for a way to release the tension so he can then build it up and take it high yeah you just get exhausted if someone's pounding on you that way with just the tension without a release. If you think of all the humor that he got into jaws,

I mean, it's just amazing. Or in, you know, in Lincoln, I remember, there was that scene where they're taking the vote. And I was talking to Michael Zulberg about it. And there was that scene where his character says, I vote I. In the script, he just says, I vote I, and that was it. But in the movie, he says it three times. And he said, no, that was, Stephen came up to him and said,

say it three times, and the first time. Just mouth it. Don't put any voice. Just mouth it. And then the second time, you whisper it. And then the third time, leaped to your feet and get it out really loud. And it was just fucking hilarious when he did it. Really funny.

He's got a really good, incredible sense of comedy. Which, again, you don't think that for what his gift is. But it's, and it's- He finds it. Yeah. And if you look at, say, you know who Mark Ryland says, you know, he's, you know, he's actually a genius clown and he works everything off of that innate ability to achieve the pathos that he wants to achieve. If you look at online his performance of Richard II, which he performed

at the globe, the whole thing's on YouTube. And if you look at the very famous speech that Richard the second has, let us sit upon the ground and tell said tales of the death of kings. Normally everyone goes for the pathos, let us sit upon the ground and tells said tales of the death of kings, or some of being the pearls or whatever it is they do they just like a gilgood thing or whatever he gets legitimate laughs right off the top right off the top he gets legitimate laughs in that speech and it's not until he gets to the last couplet that he goes goes for the dagger yeah wow when you're playing like king george the fourth is it you know six six see i already fucked it up but do you you've inverted it yeah do you do you find it you're playing royalty you're playing real life you're

playing you don't want to fuck that up was there pressure on you every day that i go to set there was a giant poster of colin firth as the same character because that's where they shot the king's speech and i would walk out from where my my dressing room was and walk to set under this enormous poster of colin firth as the same character and i was in the beginning i would look at i'm going fucking hell why didn't they take that bad enough and then after a couple of days i went he didn't look anything like him either i'm golden yeah i'm fine yeah it didn't hurt him that's amazing uh gary told me the story how um you play hamlet in new jersey film festival or new jersey festival and your father shakespeare festival and your father played the ghost yeah tell me just quickly tell me

about that story well our plan was these are like greatest disasters um stories our plan was we'd seen this the director and I had gone to this art installation in Bryant Park Madison Park where this artist had

he had smoke machines that would billow out smoke and you could project an image onto the smoke and the image would be captured on and then within the smoke and as the smoke shifted your death perception

and what you would see would change So sometimes you'd see the whole thing, then a mouth or an eye. And it was really eerie. And he would photograph faces of people and talking and stuff like this. And it seemed like a soul trapped. That's how you do the ghost, right? That's a brilliant idea. That's how we're going to do the ghost.

So he pitched it to Dad and he loved it. And he said, okay, I'll do it. He wasn't excited about playing a ghost, but okay. For my birthday, he said, I'll give us to you your birthday present, Jared. So we filmed in with this producer who only handled the film shoot in New York. And then when we get up to where it was we were doing the play in New Jersey, it was, I think it was Madison. Anyway, the footage is taking forever to come to us.

And we don't know what's wrong. And then when it does come to us, there's no sound. And we go, there's no sound. We can't see this without sound. How can we decide what the edit's going to be without, oh, sorry, sorry, I'll get it to you, I'll get it to you. This goes on for weeks. And in the meantime, the smoke system that they have goes every time you turn it on and bellow out smoke. So it's ridiculous.

It's not working. Well, we have to get one that doesn't make a sound. Oh, we can't find one. Then when we finally get the footage with sound, you can hear buses going, pulling up and going, boop boop bo bo oh my god it's just a disaster it's a disaster so we you know we're spending all this time trying to pull these sounds out so we you know and then we're trying to put stuff over it like voice is screeching in hell and stuff like this try and cover it up then the smoke thing's not going to work so we have to project his face onto a scrim rather than the other way so that idea goes out

the window and then on the first night and thank god that wasn't there for this on the first night the whole thing is on a computer right which they're going to plug into the machine and you know and project it from the from the booth about 15 or 20 seconds into that big scene with I am thy father's spirit you know you're able to that whole thing right suddenly this sound goes do oh no and it's the low battery signal on the computer they haven't plugged on yeah so I mean it's It was, I mean, this was... He wasn't there, though. He wasn't there, thank God. But there were some other, like, classic ones that night where, um, so I had thought, you know, there's certain famous moments in the play and that little, the decisions you have to make

that you have in every production of it. And one of them is, look upon this picture and upon this picture here, the counterfeit presents with two brothers. Where do these two pictures come from, you know? So, uh, I think it was either Keene or Irving had come up with the idea that he's got the locket of his father and she's got the, the new husband and he rips that off and hold up the two things or often they do it that he has a picture of his father and she's got a picture of a new husband in the room because it's in

the bedroom of the closet you hold those two up i decided that claudius being a you know an egotistical little fuck he had already had currency printed of himself so it would be coins it would be money and we know that i wouldn't have money i'm the prince she wouldn't have money she's the queen. Polonius has money and we've seen him pay somebody to spy and his son and he's dead in the room. So he's got the money that I'm going to grab and that's where these two things are going to come from, right?

So the actor who's playing Polonius is, he's very good and he manages that line between being a believable advisor, chief advisor to the king and the, being funny and having the clownish, you know, a lot of people to lean on the clown side. He was believable. He pulled off both. He was very good. And Shakespeare has this thing that if he likes your character, you die on stage.

And if not, you're reported this being dead off stage, you know, if you're valuable. So he's on stage, but not seen and he dies. And I decided that he should be seen dying. So I would go and lift him up in rehearsals. And he'd go, you die, right? I go, oh, that wretched rash. intruding fool, farewell, right? And so I,

for the same night, this is all happening, I lift him up and he goes, I forgot the coins. That's amazing. So then the director had this idea that there's a lot of spying in the play. And he wanted to put the audience in the perspective of your looking at the people, who are being spied upon from the perspective of the spying. So, for example, in that scene where they're spying on the Hamlet and Ophelia,

you know, she's handing back the trinkets to him, they're deep downstate, upstage, and you're on the perspective. You can see Polonius and Claudius upstate looking in. So we're conspirators with them, right? So in that scene in the bedroom, the room had a big sort of diaphanous curtain around the bed. And so we're seeing it from the perspective of Polonius, who's doing the spying, and he gets stabbed through it. And I'm supposed to, when I see who it is, rip the thing off, look down, and I pull the whole curtain down, and I see him, I pick him up. But it gets stuck, so it won't come all the way off.

And there's all these other scenes that I'm looking at this well going, how are we going to do the scene at the graveyard with this thing hanging down there, right? So I'm tugging, nothing's happening. And I'm trying to do the other, keep doing the scene, and I'm going back and giving it a tug, right? There's nothing's moving, right? So I think, okay, I've got to move on, I'll figure this off because I've got this scene to pull off. And as I'm doing the scene with the mother, I sort of hear that the light, something's wobbling like this. And I look up and there's this lighting grade, right, which the curtains attach to. And I see this stage hand like something out of Pirates of the Caribbean with a knife between her teeth.

And she's crawling along the lighting rig to try and get to the thing that's stuck cutting it. And you're just trying to get through it. This is fucking crazy. This is the craziest fucking first preview ever. Wow. That is amazing. And your father finally comes. He came and saw it.

And you were, weren't you a nervous wreck too? Yeah, of course it was. And then. Also, I knew it wasn't what we told him it was going to be as well. So,

yeah. But afterwards, didn't you party with him all night? Yeah, absolutely. To like 6 a.m. He, we had to like basically say,

da, we got a show. We got a magnate tomorrow. Get in the car and go back. Did he love that attention? Did he love telling stories? Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, man.

That's me. This has been, I mean, I could talk to you forever. Honestly, you are just, like, filled with stories and, I mean, this has been just fantastic. I mean, we didn't even get into Chernobyl. It's just like, how much preparation did you do for that one? That took time. Yeah, I mean, that, yes. I mean, a lot of that was to do with understanding the science,

I'm just making sure you knew exactly what you were talking about. It's like Shakespeare in a way. Yeah. You have to understand what you're talking about. You can't just wing it. No, you'd sit there and go, okay, what is xenon gas? What is it? You know, all that uranium, 251.

That was difficult to do because so many of the sentences started off the same way. Right. That last episode, excuse me. You know, it's like a 25-page monologue. But you have, I mean, at the time, I could explain to you how a nuclear reactor worked and I could explain to you

why that RBMK reactor failed. I knew exactly why I can understand it. And you wanted to. You had to do this role. Because I had to know what I was talking about. The way,

so where you put the emphasis, you're telling a story. So you have to know the elements of the story that you're telling. Literally, I'm in that courtroom telling a story, a narrative about how this thing,

why this thing expanded. For some reason, I can imagine you telling your wife how a nuclear reactor works. This is how it works just to show her that you know. And she can already know, Jared. Do you ever bring, man's plane? Do you ever bring that stuff home? Does she run lines with you?

No. I mean, occasionally she will. But, you know, but not generally, no. I mean, I always say she wants to read the scripts and she says I'd rather see it. You know, I want to be surprised. Yeah. So Violent Night 2 is coming out.

Yeah. What else? Re-awakening. Rite night will be next Christmas. It won't be this Christmas. Right. I've got a movie, well, House of Dynamite is out at the moment. And I would encourage people to go see it in the theater.

Yeah, I'm going to go do that. Because it's a, you know, the other bodies around you amplify. Oh, yeah. I liken it to, it's the difference between going on a role. coaster all by yourself or with a whole load of other people. It's always fun with people. Yeah, exactly. And then reawakening is coming out in November, mid-November, and that's about a couple

whose child, 13-year-old daughter runs away from home when she's 13, and, you know, they don't know why. And it just devastates them. and 10 years later this 23 old woman shows up and says I'm your daughter, I'm back and the mother accepts her immediately and the father goes, I don't think it's her, it's not her.

And the irony is he never stopped looking for her in the intervening 10 years. He never stopped looking for her. And the mother at some point resigned herself that she was never going to come back. And she comes back and the mother goes, goes, it's a miracle. She's back. Let's accept it. And he says, no, I need to know. Is it her or isn't it? I can't accept it until I know.

Re-awakening sounds amazing. Yeah. Like, I don't even want you to tell me anymore. I won't. That's it. That's the setup. And then I've got a movie called Rikovic. Oh, yeah, you play Gorbachev. Yeah. And that's, I don't know when that's coming. I'll be, I'll be next year. Are the images? Do you look like him? Yeah. We did a really good job. I mean, you know, you want to be. I'm excited for that. I was think with that stuff you need to you don't want to look you don't want to disappear because if you disappear i think the audience are going where are they you know um and you're constantly going oh that sounded a bit like him or that you know you can't disappear completely right so they

you have to be able to see both you know luff and like them that they can you're tilt towards who they are and honestly with that guy once you stick that thing on your forehead you know you're him you're 80% of the way there yeah and that stars jeff daniels as regan and it's about the the summit at reichovic to end the cold war wow yeah was that a lot of fun loved it love that jeff is fantastic really great scripts fantastic material from the transcripts and you sit there and you go come on they didn't that's exactly what happened is this exactly what they said see you're working so there's no like you know 12 months off or 16 months off you're happy right now. Yeah, I just finished something. I'm very happy. Give me enough time. I'll start

to go like, I want to do what you do for fun. What's you mean? I mean, what do you do for fun? Oh, or do I do you go play miniature golf? Do you bowl? Do you, uh, I enjoy bowling, went bowling. Uh, well, we're up in Winnipeg. Yeah, a little bit of bowling. You know what I did was they did the kids bowling thing where you only the five pins with a small. It's a lot. Yeah. A lot harder than 10 pins. Yeah. Well, isn't the Canadian nine? Yeah. Well, isn't the Canadian nine. Nine pin, is that what it is, or eight pin? No, that's ten. Is it ten?

Yeah, we're up there. Yeah, it was ten. I'm wrong. You know, I go out, meet friends, eat good food. You like watching a lot of movies at home? Go to the theater. What are you watching right now on TV?

I just was watching Alien Earth. I've only seen one episode. Is it worth watching? I liked it. I mean, I love that whole franchise. I love it. I tell you the truth, I've been waiting for, just come to Earth.

already like all of these alien movies you know we've been living with this threat from the very beginning and that this corporation is trying to bring this creature to earth I mean bring it to earth and let hell loose did you watch did you love the movie aliens I love I just you watch the

autograph poster the entire cast Bill Paxton everybody I just I just watched the documentary the making amazing I saw it too I didn't want it to end no fantastic yeah because you all forget that James Remar was the original I know, then I got drug busted, like, on this way there.

What's a great actor. It would have been quite an interesting, different version of Hicks. It would have been a tougher version, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. But I like, I mean, James Rima is a wonderful actor. He is. I remember the Warriors, remember the Warriors? Yeah, that's the first time I remember seeing him, yeah.

Oh, yeah. He's fantastic. And he's brilliantly cast as well by, in what lies beneath. Oh, yeah. Because you think he's the, he always plays the bad guy. So he's like the husband next door, the wife that's disappeared and he immediately go away. So obviously James Reamer.

So you do like horror. You do. That's not horror. That's sort of hitchhockey and suspense. Okay. Well, thriller. Yeah, I love that. Yeah.

This has been an absolute joy. Will you come back someday? Sure. This has been awesome. I loved having you here. Thank you. I thank you for taking the time. No, at all.

Come back and see us. I would love to. All right. Yeah, I can tell you my story. When we went to see, when my father, we went to see Bent at the theater in Broadway, which James Rima was the star of. No, he was that he, he's one of the stars. Richard Gere was the star of it, but James Reba.

And you went with your father? Yeah. And what was that like? You were going to tell you that story? If you want, is it a good story? You could save it, but people are going to go crazy. So we go to see Bent and, um, the place. opens and it's the sort of the night after a big night that these characters have had a big night

boozing and um james remar comes bursting out on the stage completely naked right and um james remar is very well endowed and my dad goes jesus christ he says would you look at the size of that right and then he says we all know what his warm up was right right And so then Richard Gere comes out And the play starts And after about, I don't know, 20 minutes He's not enjoying the play And he goes, I'm going to have a cigarette

And off he goes. And he goes out And we're sitting and watching the play I'm there with my brother And my father's best, one of his best friends called Terry James And after about 20 minutes Suddenly his voice goes,

I've been standing outside And a feck and cold for 20 minutes Why don't you go, you're staying? Are you coming? Right? And we look over and his dad at the end of the row.

And of course, you've got great seats, right, with four or five rows back from the stage, center of the stage. And people are starting to look, and they're going, oh, it's Richard Harris, right? And he goes, are you staying? Are you going to stay and watch this shit? And we go, uh, he goes, look at the, look at them on stage. And we look at it on stage.

And we're supposed to be on a train, right? They're supposed to be on a train. We go, yeah, and he goes, all the guards, they're bouncing around, right? They're on a train. It's that everyone else is standing completely still, right? And the people go, oh, yeah, that's true. look around that and my friend and Terry James, his dad's friend, goes, boys, this only gets worse. Up, we leave now.

Are you serious? Were you mortified or was it? Mortified in which I see, he should know better. I mean, that's a total foul, you know, actor foul, audience foul, theater foul. Did he really say, would you look at that? Loudly. Every, yeah, absolutely. He was one of those guys.

He just says what's on his mind. Yeah. Well, it was that more outrageous, the better. was it really that big he was I would say he was a he was a large man I'd be a shy man at a tool yeah that's my memory that's a perfect ending that's it oh thank you Ella McKay coming to theaters December 12 your father's here why a heartwarming new comedy from James L Brooks I'm a different person I have never in my life felt this way about any other woman Jesus I wasn't counting your mother

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