Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Jason Mewes

Episode Date: October 8, 2019

Jason Mewes (Jay and Silent Bob Reboot, Clerks, Zack and Miri) joins us this week to talk about his upcoming release of the Jay and Silent Bob Reboot, working with Kevin Smith before he was an actor and then into his film career from Clerks on, and his stories involving Hollywood notables like Jason Lee, Ben Affleck, Stan Lee, and even Leo DiCaprio. Jason opens up on his recurring battles fighting substance abuse to stay sober and avoid relapsing, how friends like Kevin Smith have been there in his worst times to get him on the straight and narrow, and how he never thought he’d be where he is today… sober and surrounded by loving friends and a wife and daughter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Oh, that was good. Oh, poached by Dax Shepherd. Yeah, yeah, that's what happened to the last guy, Rob, who I love. We're so good friends. That was good, Ryan, you fuck. Now I'm here. I'm here. Hey, again, thank you for listening.

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What else? That's it. Let's get right into it. Today we have Jason Muse, clerks, chasing Amy, mall rats Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back

Dogma Jay and Silent Bob reboot which is out October 14th The guy's always working But the great thing about him Is he is an open book He tells you everything

Boy, we get into it We talk about his addiction How he made Kevin Smith cry How he turned his life around And how he works at it every day I don't try to make new friends in this show But God bless man I think Jason's a new friend.

Anyway, that's enough. Let's get inside, Jason Muse. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. My whole house is filled with little shit. You can see it, right? I love it.

I won't grow up, man. I love the Iron Man. It's great, too. Do you know, you know what that's from? It's not actually the Iron Mask. It was from an episode of Smallville, and I took it where it was called Onyx, where I split in half, and I tortured myself, which I do normally in real life. But, yeah, that you take the, well, I took it. I love it, too.

Right. So, are we recording right now? Oh, yeah. Oh, sorry. So, so the first time I think I remember, first time we met your acquaintance or friends with Mike McGinnis. And we were out, out of the club. 80s thing. Was it in 80s night?

Yeah, it was 80s night. Yeah. And I remember being, he knew I was, because we lived together. When I first moved out here, I lived with Mike. And Mike knew I was a huge Smallville fan. And he was like, dude, dude. And I was like, look, look. And I like pointed out.

No, you did. I did. I did. I was so excited. And he's like, I know him. Dude, I'll introduce you. And I was like, no, I don't know what to say. And it was really awkward for me and stuff.

But I fan-boid out. And then he introduced me. We talked a little bit. So it was. It was really cool, man. For me, it was really cool. And I, that's what I love about the carons, honestly. It's, I love going and you get to, like, see people that you've watched.

But I always feel awkward. It's funny because you go in a green room and it'll be like, you know, you walk in the green room. And it'll be like Sam Ramey, Bruce Campbell. And over here is, like, you know, Tom Willing and Michael Rosenbaum. And, like, everyone, like, sort of sits together, knows each other and stuff. And I always get excited because I'm like, oh, I love that person. I love this person. And I don't want to sit in the table right, like right in the middle of everyone.

So I always like, I never go into green room. Jason, but it's interesting. You understand this is what I always talk about. I never feel like I belong. I can really pretend like you're like, that guy's holding court. That guy's, you know, Mr. Actor guy. But I'm always uncomfortable. So I make myself, I say, it's almost like if I'm going to be uncomfortable,

I'm going to make everybody else uncomfortable. I'm going to show them or at least make them believe that I fit in, even if I think I don't instead of I just have fun even though I'm kind of dying inside so like if I was at the 80s concert and it was like if I would have seen you I go dude that's fucking are you kidding

that Jason Muses that's silent pop I got he's like do you want to meet on yeah yeah yeah I do want to meet him I mean I'm always like a kid in a candy store I'm like when I go to cons I look for toys I always buy shit I think the con I was at with you I think I bought the Batmobile signed by Adam West at the time

yeah no I always go home with stuff and I used to go home with a lot of stuff and then I started running at a room my wife started to you know got a little bummed up because I was coming home with way too much stuff and now I have a four year old so now not only do I shop for myself I can't help but be like

oh my kid will love this my kid will love this and it's so funny because I realize now that I've a kid the first thing I saw when I drove up your neighborhood and I won't say what it is but I was like oh he's right down the street from a school which is you know a good school of what I've heard it's like you're so like how great if you know your kid can walk down to the school

anyway so i'm just saying like you should move up man move around i saw a bunch of real estate science you should you love it here what you were neighbors dude that would be incredible you can be on the podcast every day ryan you haven't said a fucking word sorry i now is he just your tech or is he he's an engineer he's my engineer so he's like you know he's my engineer so he's like you know if you ever want to talk to him or you know punch him no no but do you are you usually part of the show when you have guests, I'm saying, is it usually you and the guests? Are you technically part of the show? I'm not here. You're not here? I'm not here. I'm not sure. But see, I don't believe that. I don't, I don't agree with him. In fact, I said, Ryan, I'm going to ask you questions.

And he's shy. He's quite, but he's actually really funny and does comedy. But he's like, hey, you know, I like, we want to talk to him. He's here. Okay, cool. He's not, we're ignoring him. Okay, cool. I just wasn't sure if you didn't want it. You just have to give me a quarter first, and then it'll. Fair enough. Very enough. Let's come up with a nickname by the end of this for Ryan, too. Yeah, right. He needs a nickname. So people can go, Oh, yeah, I really like Dumbledorf. Yeah. Or something, like something where he's here, but he's on the outside, looking in.

Come on the outside. I'm looking in. Who sang that? Is that nickel back? I don't know. Stained. Was it stained? Yeah, that sounds right.

Yeah. And then it was like firehouse. Oh, God. Wasn't there a firehouse? What was the song? Firehouse. Firehouse. Or some, don't treat me bad.

Is that it? Is that what you? you're thinking about yes god we're going back dude is that your uh van outside she's man i love it listen a lot of people right now are thinking creepy but i'm gonna be honest with you when i was a little boy all my friends had vans their families would take them and their friends for trips and baseball games and my dad we never allowed friends to spend the night my parents never let them and we never had a van so i always said one day if i ever make any money yeah i'm gonna buy a van and that van is 17 years old and I just there's something I can't let it go no I love it it's but I know exactly you want I had

I had friends who same thing and they had the TVs in them at the time I have a TV in there they had the couch in the back to turn up in tomorrow yeah right it's got a TV it's got the bed that goes down snoot on the side of it right I'm driving I'll repaint it so no one knows it's yours but no it's it's a cool van and I see how I could see why you would want it I see it's just so you you load up the friends and you go to six flags So you go to a hike or you go to the Olive Garden. I like the Olive Garden. Awesome.

You go to the Olive Garden? I have not gone in a while, but I used to more so when I was in Jersey. I grew up in Jersey and right down the road was like the Olive Garden and all the different, you know, restaurants we'd check out. I don't eat out that much, honestly. You don't? Are you healthy? I'm not healthy. I wish I was.

I mean, look, I'm like, dad-bott. I don't know. You're one of those good-looking guys. Honestly, like, I think you wake up, you're handsome. Thank you. Well, even if your body goes away, you know, you don't work it out, you still, I look at you, I'm going, he's not fat. I don't think he's like, you look like you're in shape someone. I don't think that at all.

But your face doesn't get, does it ever get puffy? But when I was drinking, I'm sober now, but when I was drinking, it got really puffy a lot. But, and sometimes I feel like I've really gotten, what I've noticed recently in the last few years is my crow's feet. My crow's feet is really starting to come like full circle. I don't know why. I don't know what happened all of a sudden. Maybe it's because I don't sleep as much with the kid. She's four years old and she wakes me up in the morning by going like just, Dad, Dad,

wake up, you know, like opening my eyes. It's amazing, though. I love it. Do you use skincare products, Jason? I don't. I don't. Nothing. No, sorry.

Sometimes I do if my wife will, like, buy stuff and be like, hey, let's put this stuff on our face and watch an episode of Ballers or something in it. Like a cream or a mask? masks sometimes cream sometimes there's like this charcoal black stuff that dries in your face and you peel it off how do you feel after it's nice do you say hey man

I feel soft and supple usually usually every once in a facial the other day with her but again it's usually a thing that I do with the wife it's not like me waking up going all right I'm going to go get a facial and then I'm going to go do this what I do every day that I'm obsessed with is I've been not every day but

I try to go as often as I can is I like to get an hour foot massage, just my feet, not my back. What's that called? Reflexology. Yes, yes. That could be painful, but really here it really works. And it's, and I love it. I honestly really enjoy it. Sometimes just each person is funny because I go to a place where there's probably

about 20 chairs slash beds and there's probably about 10 different workers and they swap out and some of them really hurt and I'll be like, whoa, whoa. Well, you swap out during this massage? No, no, no, no, no, you come in a different time. I thought maybe every eight minutes there's a new massage. Like, hello, my name is Joan. No, the guy's like each time I go, this guy is the next one in line. So I have to, he'll do my feet.

And then next day I go in, it's like, hey, you can't, you could get him, but he's busy right now. So here's so and so, you know. Will you take me once with you? I would love to. I'm not kidding. I'm not, this is in Hollywood talk. No, I don't know how it is. It's like, hey, could you take me for a foot massage?

No, I would love to hang out. I would love to hang out regardless and go get a foot massage. I would love that. It's always another weird thing for me, like you said, we were talking about the cons and feeling out of place. I always feel awkward asking someone for the number because then I'm putting you on a spot. Never. I don't want you to have my number, muse.

And I'm asking you, and then you feel bad being like, well, I'm going to tell him no, but I don't want to tell him no. I should probably think more. I should think before I did. So you're a thinker. You think, you know what? I don't want inconvenience. This guy where I'm like, he's a good guy.

I think I could like this is this could be a great podcast guest or maybe go for a you know a game of squash I don't play squash I don't play squash either but squash What was that your go-to? I don't even know what squash is a foot massage we can do foot massage We can do podcasting dude I love you a podcast Yeah we we haven't done ours in a while because we're but we're about to We stopped doing it because we're about to do like two months of touring with their Jay and Silent Bob reboot road show which is we're going to watch movies with the peeps and then we're going to do a Q&A afterwards and then we do like photos and a meet and greet and such at some places so

we have 62 I think right now set up for the end of October November December so yeah it's going to be tough do you like it I enjoy it and I'm excited about it because I'm going to use my backpack and I think it'll be cool to go around like people will get to live stream with me and be on tour with us and such but now again, now that the kid has made so many changes in my life like I can be away from the wife I would say a good

five days before I really start missing her 10 days I'm going crazy missing her but I can go a good 10 days before I'm like babe I need to see you I miss you so much and I miss her all the time don't get me wrong but I'm saying the kid is literally like half a day and I'm like already at the airport like I don't want to go on this trip

because I'm not going to see the kid for three days so I'm really concerned it's the first time I'm going to be away from her for so long and we're trying to coordinate now to where maybe the wife flies out to meet me in certain cities if I have two days off or something like that with her so we'll see you know what this this just this just came to me this thought I know you've been through a rocky road right through success and pain and all this shit and you've talked about you talk about it freely and openly and I think it's therapeutic for you correct yeah Definitely.

Did you ever think having a child and a wife and being sober, did you ever think that was a positive? Was there a time most of your life where you're like, this is never going to happen to me? Oh, yeah, definitely. You never thought that was going to happen? No. Yeah, there's definitely, definitely times where I didn't think that I'd have, I didn't even think I'd own a house or have a new car or anything.

There was moments like after, after Jay and Bob, like I got really bad shape. and even with Jay and Bobbick I didn't have my license I lost it and and I didn't have a house yet and I was uh this was 2003 and I got I didn't get paid a whole lot but a pretty decent where I could have like saved a little bit but I again I was a really big mess so I was 27 um and I was in really bad shape 28 29 still things were like bad so I was almost 30 and I'm like that's it I'm not gonna have like a wife or own a car own a house or anything um um I'm And then even more so, then things started looking up and I got married and found my wife. Jordan? Yeah, Jordan's my wife. And I've been sober now. It's going on. It's nine years and two months.

But even at like 45 years ago, I remember being like, wow, I'm almost 40 and we haven't had a kid. And my wife, like I was like, that's it. I guess I'm not going to, I'm going to be someone who doesn't have a. child which i wanted many years ago before i started getting like really messed up you know at the age of 21 and 22 whatever uh like my dream was hey i want that white picket fence and a family and all that stuff something i didn't have um but yeah so there was many times it was like you know i didn't think i was going to have this then i had that but i was like i'm not going to have a kid it looks like it's too late and then my wife's like no let's try and and within like a month

and a half week she was pregnant so that was great do you still think like you ever do you still wake up honestly and go this is a miracle how am i fucking here no yeah how am i fucking here because i mean how many times did you say you're relapsed in your life would you say tons would you say 20 i feel like yes but because i feel like there was many times where i had like only two months and then i'd relapse so there was many of those and but then there was even a couple big ones where I had like, you know, when I had four years and I relapsed, that was a big deal. And I think the time before that, I had like a year and a half or so. Like when you get that much time and then you relapse, then I really feel like, man, I did it again.

It's like I was doing well. And you go even lower. Yeah. Like you just feel like, what the fuck am I doing, man? Yeah. And so it has been. And it's been, you know, between that and being in, in Jersey and then, like, like working and then disappearing I didn't work for like two years and again I didn't plan on

acting or anything my my goal was to like when I was 17 was to like own my own roofing business and then Kevin that was it yeah and even after clerks I went back to like construction and how did that happen you've told this story a million times so maybe you tell it a different way but I don't even want to like you know I know you met Kevin where you guys immediately drawn like I love this guy where you like no he was he was older than me so we didn't like I knew him but I didn't we weren't friends um it took some time kevin didn't want to like kevin saw me as like a little kid and was like but but i used to see him all the time and and talked to him at the community center he worked there um it was really i started offering i started um hanging around him

brian johnson and Walt flanagan those guys are from comic book man and um and the friends they went to high school with kevin but again they were all four or five years older than me so at 13 14 years old they didn't want to hang out with me necessarily but they would I would see them all the time at the community center and they would talk about comics and all that stuff and then I started helping Kevin at the convenience store where he worked

he started working at the quick stop so we started hanging out a little bit then and then I guess I started growing on him and then he thought I was funny obnoxious But he wasn't anybody But no yeah he wasn't anybody so you when you said growing on him were you always did you look up to him at that point already Yes

You always like I want to hang out I want him to like me Exactly it's funny to say that, yeah, because again, I always found, um, at that age, it's like me and my friends would do fun stuff. We'd go to the woods, build forts and, and fix go-carts and bicycles, shoot beating guns. But Kevin and Walt and those guys talked about comic books and they would talk about movies and they use big words. Like, you know, like for me, like, I'm serious. It's, it's funny to say, but it's true. This is my life now. It's like, oh, my God, what you, what word was that?

Yeah. And like, and all that, like, really. drew me in and they also like because they were older they had girlfriends and would talk about girls. I would talk about girls but I had never even I didn't kiss a girl until I was like 16 and I didn't lose my Virginia until I was 18. Me too. So I was saying at like

14 like they were like yeah man I just went on this date with this girl so all this stuff was appealing to me so yeah like I looked up to Kevin and Brian and Walt and I wanted to hang out with them and they like comics and they were smart and like especially Kevin like I found him excuse me

There's just something about him And I wanted to hang out with them all the time But what about like, you know Did you have any idea that this movie was going to even happen, Clarks? Were you like, you know, am I going to play this character? Am I going to? No, he, I was helping him at the convenience store sometimes And he's like, look, I'm writing a movie

And I think you're funny. I want to know if other people find you funny. Is it just us Jersey guys? Or is it like someone in L.A. or Portland or Seattle? So I'm going to write a part for you in this movie and he based the character on me as he saw me at 14 when I start

trying to hang out with them in 15 and 16 these are things I said did yeah it was me I still like to smoke and I would um you know I would say snooch to the nuch and all these things um and so he wrote the character based on me and he's like I'm we're shooting this movie and I was like yeah sure

and then we shot the movie you weren't nervous you didn't ever act no I was nervous but I wasn't I didn't care because I didn't want to act You want to be a roofer. But I was nervous because it seemed weird. All of a sudden, I'm saying these things, and people were all watching me. When I did my weird stuff, it was like, right now, if like we were all hanging here and all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, my gosh, look, I dropped something and my bag was out or something. Your balls?

Yeah, yeah. Then it would be like, ha, ha, ha, ha, because I'm doing it, but not for your entertainment, but for my own. Right. But if you were like, pull your bag out, then I'd be like, oh, now it's, well, which is weird to say, because you'd never ask me to do that. But I could. My point is Right now. It's like it was

Pull your bag out! Exactly. It went from like me like me doing all this weird stuff to him being like hey I wrote it down say this, do it now. Everyone's waiting. Everyone's watching you to say Snoochie

waiting for you to dance and it made me so nervous. Again, not because I was like oh my gosh I don't want to act or I want to act. It was just like I'm nervous. Yeah, it was like I feel weird being so goofy.

Because you're spontaneous and it's hard to be spontaneous when the cameras are. And 99% of people, I don't know how many people think they could be an actor. I have friends that go, dude, you should put so-and-so. My friend Hunt, he's hilarious. You put that guy in front of a camera. He's going to sweat 10 pounds off his body.

And he's going to probably shit a dump in his pants. Yeah, it's a different piece, yeah. You know, so it is hard. I get nervous still when I'm acting. So if you don't, it's not easy. So when the cameras are rolling and someone's like, action to a guy that's never done it. Yeah. And you're like, hey, snooch, you know, fucking here's my bag.

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It's not like I'm like, obviously it's evolution, but do you think you have a lot to work on still? I do for myself. Yeah, it's like I think for me, I love going out and working if I can work. Of course, I want to work as much as I can. I really feel like I have the trouble time committing time management is what I'm saying. And also eating healthy and stuff. Like I do want to eat healthy, but I can't help myself because again, I'm not happy physically with myself. And at nighttime, I'll be hungry.

And I'll be like, you know what, man, I got to stop eating like the way I do. And again, thank goodness, because again, I'm unhappy with, but I'm shocked that I'm not because I'll eat a whole pizza at nighttime at midnight. And I'll be like, I can't eat a whole pizza. I'm starving, but why not have an apple and orange? Go to bed, wake up, have a really good breakfast. But then I'll, like, obsess about it. And then I'll have a whole pizza.

And then you'll feel terrible. I'll wake up feeling my stomach's full. See, that's the fucking thing, man. And I feel like, those things have problems. You know, I go out now and I'm trying to eat healthy. And my friends are like, yeah, go ahead, have your salad and your chicken and your fucking dung, your dairy. And I'm like, here's the reality. If you get something, you still have meals that taste good.

But like when I eat, it's like originally, yeah, the taste of a burger, fries, the ketchup and mustard mix that I like going down your throat. A nice crisp, refreshing soda, you know, and you're just like, oh, this is great. And then about halfway through, you're like, fuck. you're already starting to get full now if you're eating healthy halfway through it didn't matter where you eat you're getting full now yeah it didn't matter that oh you're you didn't take you're now getting full so it doesn't matter and you're not feeling guilty yeah that's kind of how I think about what I'm doing like hey it's I know you want that burger I know you want to tap into a slim gym but you're fucking

not going to tap into it yeah yeah I mean it's hard it's easier so than dumb but it's like you know it is it's that stuff it's me it's me being like you know all right I'm gonna I got to do this, this, this, and this. But I have three hours in the day, and I have to go, you know, I've really been wanting to go to the doctors and get a check up. You know, I'm 40-something. I never got my bunghole touch. Me either. Have you gotten yours?

Well, I have now. I haven't. But it took me years. And, you know, and I kept saying, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. And these are the little things that I have trouble with. And again, and these are things that I want to improve on because I do want to,

wake up and work like come come to your house do the podcast do this podcast go to the doctors come back home but give my kid a bath get her ready for bed and you know but i'll skip to doctor parks i'm like well that's not fun you don't take care yourself not have compassion for yourself right yeah you got to take care yourself that's one of the biggest things like a therapy and shit like dude stop taking care of everybody else your son son right daughter daughter i was close i was close yeah your daughter dude she's not getting the best of you if you're not taking care of yourself right it really is that's how i mean like i'm like and i feel like that way with myself like if i'm you know i love my family and my friends and i want to be the best friend i can the best

boyfriend if i you know so if i'm if i'm taking care of myself i just got to light myself more i got like this morning i'm like hey got a couple podcasts today just go fuck i hit i went and grabbed my tennis rack and hit a ball against the wall for 20 minutes and jumped in and took a swim just like half an hour just to do something to get my body going just to take my mind off the and just just anything yeah but is there a pool here no no i was like i'm sorry you said a swim i was like let me there's a pool up at the top of the hill very nice very yeah yeah i jump in it's not mine no i just curious some random pool as i say i definitely would like to exchange numbers now no but i got a jacuzzi and a son if you want to get naked with me i would have it one day

got to bag it up yo dig it's the one i'm like with our our house we're happy with our house but I'm like man I wish we had a pool especially the kid now she always wants to swim and it's like I just wish we had a pool and then we start looking at houses and it's like I do you know what I did I don't have a pool but it's cheaper I joined this club which is a couple hundred bucks a month and they got a pool and they got tennis courts and I just go up there it's three minutes away and I just take a son if you ever want to swim with me we can go for a foot massage oh followed by a dip in the pool oh dude I'm in I mean it I mean I don't have anybody to go with this morning give me your number dude i will here it is get eight to seven speaking of which you know when when you came in

you were like oh you know kevin kevin smith wanted me to ask you something blah blah so i'm like call that mother i like him a lot it's a good idea he's a sweet man see i don't think you like me for for a while so i i hope he's not i know he had something to do but i hope he is not doing it right now we're going to call him just try it try it on speakerphone i agree 100% put it on speakerphone so him with michael rosam on your on speakerphone on his podcast all right all right yeah yeah Jason Muses calling Kevin Smith. Kevin Smith wanted to ask me a question. Yeah.

I love you. Your call has been forward. So maybe I'll call back. You know what I'm going to do now, though? So I am giving you my phone number. I'm going to call myself and now you'll have my number. Yeah. And then we'll see if he really means it.

Podcast listeners, let's see if he really means that he wants to hang out because I'm I'm putting the ball in his court of such. So you can hang. this is your number right here yeah i'm calling myself just so i had it but again my it might not come through because my phone's not working but now you could stop it save it um and yeah let's see dude i'm not i'm not scared no i think honestly i think it'd be really fun to to go get foot massage and just uh hang out for a bit and again i would again the podcast you know you ever uh you ever want to double team somebody uh excuse you know i mean well i mean double team

the podcast with someone like let's say you're like hey um Kevin's coming on and I'm gonna surprise and double team oh that would be great muse that would be a great thing publicity stunt is that what they call that yeah yeah that would be pretty sweet maybe he comes on it's just him but then he doesn't know then all of a sudden I come through the door because I'm like oh I'm busy that day he'll be like why ain't you coming with me I'm busy and then all of a sudden they come back and then all of a sudden Tom comes he's like don't ta-da-da-da-da-da-oh you mean welling yeah Yeah, he's a cup hip dougan, and he put, no, I'm just kidding. Jesus. It's a whole scenario. Let me ask you, you know, if it's one thing I've noticed when I was, like, reading about you, and you can read this stuff anywhere. But, like, it's obvious that Kevin's one of those guys is just no matter what, he's been there.

Like, you've probably, how many times have you said, I feel like I've just disappointed you, I feel so sorry. How many times have you said that to him, probably? Oh, I mean, there's a few. There was, I mean, definitely the one that stands out again is the four-year one. thought you were good he thought hey and i just it's like it's like i wanted to tell him and i wanted to tell him but i was like knew he'd be so disappointed because it wasn't even a matter at this point i felt like it had gone by i was older there was other things it wasn't like in the past it was

like oh my gosh he's not gonna talk to me he's gonna be so bummed out and he's gonna something like this was just like i know he's he understands but because in the beginning he didn't really get it. Like, you know, some people, if they're not around the addiction and stuff in the beginning, they don't really get it or understand it. And he didn't know for a while. Like, I was getting high for a while before. I just would always pick, I'm tired. I didn't sleep last night. He'd be like, why are you falling asleep? Like, you, I turn around. You're falling asleep. And you had narcolepsy too, right? Yeah. Like I had. I didn't have it. But he thought I did because he's like, because I would fall asleep so much. And he didn't get the, he didn't

understand and even in the beginning of me the first time i got sober off of the drugs i was like i can drink and he was like oh okay as long as you're not doing drugs so he didn't get it he didn't get when was it was like fuck you dude like it was after uh i would say it was after so like i messed up he they put me in rehab i they helped me get in rehab in burbank right before dogma maybe because i think we went out there for like uh for press or do to do something um and then i went to rehab and then i came back and I was sober for a little bit and then I went I said we did like the clerks

animated I think series or something and then I again I was off drugs but I can drink and then I started drinking and then so that went back and forth there wasn't until after Jay and Bob so Jay and Bob 2001 I drank the whole time if you notice from the poster or watched the movie

I'm a lot heavier in that movie than I am in any of the other movies or even now because I was really bloated with water weight from I literally was drinking drinking every night like I met these two dudes we were going to clubs I was single I we would get like limos we'd go out with fur jackets and like go out clubbing every night and stuff and did Kevin say something no because again I showed up to work every day and I wasn't using drugs and you knew your lines and I knew my dog and then right when work was done if you had a few days you get

fucked up yeah so so like and then it wasn't so after the movie I went back home my mom my I was taking care of my mom she had HIV from using drugs um she passed away and i sort of like lost it and like went on a crack binge and when kevin came to pick me up three weeks later about sorry maybe it was about five weeks later let's say i was using heroin but i also was using painkillers and so if i couldn't get dope i had painkillers to not be dope sick so i know for because i had seen the doctor when i got home got a refill and then when my refill was up even though it was up sooner but when I could go back was 28 days later 29 days so I went to the doctor said hey it's been 29 days can't get my refill on my script and they weigh you and

everything I from when I got there back from jam Bob I weighed 198 when I went back I weighed 168 or 169 or something like that I had lost like 28 pounds 30 pounds in like a month or whatever Anyway, so when Kevin came, five weeks later, Kevin comes, picks me up to go, to fly to L.A. to go do a big press junket, you know, for the Jay and Bob strikes back. We're going to do press for the movie and all the stuff. And he said when I came walking up to his car, and of course, it's his perspective. He could tell the story better. But he literally thought that I had sent a friend out to tell him, hey, Jay's going to be out in a minute because I was so skinny. And my eyes were so great.

Yeah, I looked like a skinny. He said I looked like a very, very. skinny, like, sick version of myself and that I thought I, he thought I was a friend at very first until I got really close to the car. He realized it was me. And he started, he broke down, started crying and stuff. And he brought me out to L.A. anyway, we tried to do press, but I was so, such a mess. I couldn't do it. And he said, look, I have to send you home. Or I'm going to put you in rehab. We got you this really good rehab. Rehab. I got to go to promises. In Malibu. In Malibu.

And they paid for it? And they did. They paid for it. Yeah. So they were like, look, we could put you in Malibu. And if you refused to go to rehab and take care of this, try to get help, I'm going to send you back home. But I honestly don't want to talk to you until you get better. Jesus.

Because he knew that. I would be like, well, what I? Talk your way out of it. But I didn't because he, like, sort of said, hey, I'm going to send you home. And I don't want to talk to you anymore. That was a big deal to me. Like, again, even back then, it's like, I knew he never meant it, but it was sort of him through him, how he showed me but i mentioned all that because again your question was when that he realizes after that

he realized like hey like you can't just go a drink and not do drugs like eventually you're gonna do drugs again also because of the rehab he came he like brought me there and he would come visit me on weekends and bring me stuff and and he would talk to the counselor and stuff and he sort of got active with the like the other ones he just dropped me off be good i'll see you in 30 days man please take care of yourself this one he like came up talk to my counselors and stuff and they were like look no he can't drink like it's an addiction like it killed you that he he wasn't talking to you it killed you that when he broke down i felt that was the first time he cried right i mean yeah i would say his first time he cried yeah and when he did

that i mean that had to just like it's a brother that's like hey you're my brother that's like i'm really fucked up at that point like there's no getting around this like i really need to get my shit together. Totally. No, 100%. And that's why, again, I was scared. You're scared to go away and take care of it. But again, I knew I needed to. Again, but I, because I even knew before that happened, like, again, I think that was the first time it was like throwing in my face. Because, you know, I feel, I feel that you, me personally, I felt like for years that, like, you're in denial on how bad you are. And I was in denial because, again, thinking, I ain't that bed you know i do it but as soon as i went to the doctors and realized i lost 30 pounds in like a month

i knew like wow like this is bad like that is not healthy to lose like it's like a pound a day you're losing every day a pound a day or you also depressed were you getting anxiety did you feel like i don't want i don't oh i was depressed my mom passed away so i don't want to not live i don't i don't i never felt the point i don't think if it was ever in a situation that i felt like i didn't want to live um i it was lots of like uh you know i need to take care of this i got to stop this and then like i'd get high and sort of forget it again opiates is different i not different but i feel like it's bad and alcohol and everything too but you physically get addicted so like as soon as you start yeah like as soon as you start feeling that physical withdrawal you're like well i just

i just do a little bit and i'll tomorrow i'll start tomorrow because it's miserable and you make a a lot of excuses like you know my uh because i i've talked about this many times i'm not going to talk about it but i went to well in the center and they're like you know uh you know you have uh recently like you know a couple months ago and do you have um any addictions i go no i barely drink which is true i'm not a big drink i've never been a big drinker no one would call me people have come up dude remember we were fucking hammered i'm like no i actually remember you were hammered yeah and i just have a big personality so i i remember it clearly but you know occasionally smoke a little pot for any kind of pain because of surgeries but like i noticed like i

After the last couple surgeries, there was a problem where, you know, you're allowed to take every three hours. You're allowed to take a norco. And I was like, yeah, norco. And then after about two, you know, a month and a half, my surgeon's like, so what are you doing that? What are you taking? I'm like, oh, you know, I still take probably two or three, maybe three norcos a day. And they're like, yeah, you probably don't need those anymore. So maybe we trickle them down to, you know, in the next two weeks I'd like you to be off of them.

it upset me like in my I remember thinking oh fuck I was hoping you'd say okay we'll keep taking those so it sounds good from a professional so I was I was almost hoping that you'd go like all right well do you need them I'm like well you know I have pain and I have but yeah you can use Advil and you could use other things and I'd rather you not be on that and he's a good surgeon and I was like okay cool but then about a month later I'm like I'm still taking one or two a day and I'm like going well that's not addiction I have one or two a day I go to bed and I go you know what i wake up i'll have an orco last four hours and i'm good and maybe at the end of the long day but then i started thinking oh that's what's going to happen at the end of the day and this is when

i'm going to do this i'm going to feel good here i know that if i could just wait till that i'm going to feel normal you know what i mean yeah you know what you know what i mean and a bigger bigger but i know exactly it's just it is and it is fucking god and that when you get off that man i you go you I got really depressed. I was like, oh, it is. You can't sleep, and it's like, it's tough. It's, but I know exactly what saying. I did that when I first, after the four years, what happened is I had kidney stones.

And they gave, I was like, I can't take drugs. I have four years. I'm doing great, man. I was like, I'm a drug addict. I'm addicted to opiates and stuff. And the doctor's like, look, the kidney stones won't pass if you're in pain. And you're, so just take them. I like, you have to take.

So they gave me a shot of demoral. So that like all of a sudden I felt like oh oh yeah I remember this and then they gave me painkillers to get home and at first it was taking them as prescribed like you said every three hours four hours. Then I noticed it like at first there's every four hours then I was like three hours and 58 minutes. It's just two minutes early. But it's four hours. Oh, it's three hours 45 minutes. Really 15 minutes ain't cheating because I'm still taking it as prescribed. So I'm not with I'm not relapsing yet. And then you start saying you know I'm not drinking the night. So maybe a few of my friends are all over and we'll just pop a norco watch a movie what's wrong with that well first i called the doctor and i was like hey man it's just take two every four to six hours and i'm sober and if i take three because two's not really working it'll be a relapse can you change my prescription so he changed it to three every four to six hours and so that was my first like don't be moved to try to to like and then again it was like three hours and 50 minutes three hours and 40 minutes and three and a half hours is really you know and then like you said it was just like well it's it's it's it's

It's only been an hour, but I'm with my buddies, and I won't take one later. But anyway, and then next thing, you know, it was a year and a half later, and I was taking 60 a day. I, fuck off. I swear. I've heard about this. I've heard, like, people go, dude, you're doing like three a day. That's not really addiction. People take 30 or 60.

I'm like, no, they don't. Yeah. 30 or 60 fucking pills. Yeah. Are they the 5, 325s or the 5, 525s? They're the tens. The 10s? The 10s, you would, I wouldn't even taking the tens.

but again I feel like any even one a day but 60 how are you alive physically like I don't is destroying everything in your body right yeah well I mean sometimes I would taste it when I'd burp I'd taste the like a set of metafin uh whatever it is but I was taken like to get up out of bed I was taking them out 15 so some days of course it was expensive and hard to find that many so at the minimum to to make it through the day I was taking about I would say 30 was like 20, let's say 20. You're taking between $1,500 and $2,000, no, $1,000 and $2,000 street price of what Norcos or whatever are. You're spending, if you think about it, $2,000 a day. Yeah. And again, it wasn't, it wasn't every day. Like, the minimum a day I could make it through was like,

like, like 20, because I'd have to take at least 10 right off the bat. I would come up, five drink five at once just to get out of bed. And then I would try to save the other 10. for as late as I could go so 20 was the minimum but the good days where I had a lot and a lot of like to spare I would take 10 and then I would take 10 5 hours later and then later on I would take another maybe 15 and then like so it got I'm amazed that look first of all I'm glad I'm glad that you first of all survived all this changed your life have a beautiful daughter am I right this time yes yes you know a wife that you love and you're working you changed your life and honestly can you say i mean some people would just sit there and go being sober is so much better than being it's it is when you could add health and love and connection and things in the life that is a drug it can be a drug it's weird to say especially it is no you know but do you is it hard is every day a challenge do you not not as much now and again i know like for me for years i was especially after the four years because i thought i was

good and stuff. I didn't I never thought I was oh like I never thought I was cured but I just I thought about it less after four years and I sort of thought I was safe so for good five six years I was a little more cautious about being like so it was a struggle for it like I think about it every day like hey I never know I never know but I do feel less of that now like I can't I know it's possible still but I cannot picture relapsing with the kid and and the wife and all the work and how good things are going because I could play the tape

like I can't imagine disappointing you know the ending you know the ending 100% that's the thing drugs and all this shit you know the fucking ending yeah 100% it's like with a lot of things it's like you know how this if you go back to an ex-girlfriend

you go you know that this is going to be great and then that's gonna and then oh my god don't you fucking call yeah well I said I tell my old lady never that she she literally don't have to worry about me ever cheating because to me I know as much as it might be like oh yes like I know as soon as I'm like gay then I'm going to be like what did I do yeah yeah and it's not worth it that's that one and a half minutes that I could give

maybe five if I'm lucky is not worth never it's not it really isn't worth it what I love is is you keep making movies man you keep you love working you love people I've seen you with your fans it just it's it's nice to see because some people just like sign and just want to get out of there make a buck and some people take the time and go hey this is your vacation and this is your trip and you came here to see me or whatever and i'm going to make this moment last or i'm going to make this you hug your fans you're with your fans and you know it's just a beautiful thing it's just a nice thing to see from another actor one of your peers and so thank you everyone thanks you you're just you're a good dude and um j and silent bob reboot yes is this one of those things where

you've been talking about a while or is it one of those things related Come on, Kevin, what the fuck? Or was he like, come on, Jerry? No, I wanted to do it. I mean, again, I wanted to do something. He had mentioned, I had mentioned for years, honestly, especially after I had a few years sober, we started doing the podcast.

Jay and Bob Goodall, we did that for six years, touring with it, and we do the show live, and then it goes up on iTunes, Smith, and all that. When we were doing, after about a couple years of doing the podcast and stuff, and I felt good, I'm like, Kev, man, like, things are going. good i feel good like i was i think we should do another movie because not only would it be fun to do another jambaba i was like when we're doing our podcast like we already did touring of j and bob get old

and people know jambob the title right some people are like who is that i just came in this comedy club and all of a sudden there's these two guys on stage talking um i was like but if we do a movie we can revamp it with the millennials and all that stuff um and he was like yeah well i don't know and then he but then he like got this story idea where he wanted to do clerks three and that happened first and then i was so excited because i was written in the movie and we weren't it wasn't going to be j and bob the whole movie it was going to be clerks but we were in and out and a lot of fun like really smart fun script but then that didn't happen and so then after that i was like oh man i was so excited like we had the money we were going to go to a philly and shoot for two months we had

air bs lined up but one of the actors didn't want to do it one of the main guys and we couldn't do it without him because it's called clerks and so how pissed was Kevin how pissed for you everyone was bummed everyone was disappointed but again I still don't know the reason the guy didn't want to do it it would definitely wasn't money because I started being like bro I'm not making a lot but I'll give you half of whatever I'm making and then like a couple people were like we'll give you half of what we're making like so I know it wasn't a money thing I just don't know that something else I don't know and then Kevin was like well let's do mall rats man we'll do mall rats it's like yes that'll be awesome and then you

Universal owns Mallrats and Universal was like, we don't want to make that movie. And we're like, well, we'll make it. We have the money. We have the, they were like, no, we won't let you make that movie. So then, like, Kevin was like, oh. But by that point, I feel like he was stoked and excited enough that he's like, you know what?

I have a story to tell. Jay and Bob, you want to make a movie, Jay, for the last couple years. We were going to do Clerks, Mallrats, and I want to make a movie. And no one could say no, because we're the main guys. We own the rights. We don't have to worry about Universal or someone saying no. And so, yeah, like sort of it went from that. But I've been wanting to make one for a while.

But both of us were totally down, very excited. I think you wanted to start with like Clerks 3 or Mulrats 2 and then go to Jay and Bob. But we just jumped to Jay and Bob. And this comes out when? October, October, the 17th and 18th. I believe I'm saying the right dates. Jay and Sam, Bob reboot. It's around there.

Yes, it's there. Yeah. You know, it's in that. If it's not the 17th or 18th, It's probably the 14th, 15th, 16th, 7th, look for it. You guys are so likable, so it's easy to watch and it's fun. It's always been, who is your, of all the movies you've done? Is there one actor other than Kevin that you go, I just fucking love working with this dude or this girl?

I just, I just loved it. It was so fun. Or that movie that you were just like, that was the most fun I ever had. Mallrats, I definitely would say the combination of that, because I feel like for me, I was like 20 years old And it was the first stoop movie for me Clerks was the first movie But it was again like 10 of us

10 friends that grew up together And I didn't I was like nervous I would go to my normal job every day Which was putting roofs on houses At nighttime I'd come and we'd shoot from 10 at night Till when we were done And then I didn't really know much about it I would just show up memorize my stuff

But mall rats like I actually like went out to Minnesota and I was in a hotel for two months We were in the mall of running around. I got to meet Jason Lee, Shannon Dardy, which I watched on 902 and O. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, this girl's humongous. I watched her for years. And then I got to meet Stan Lee, which was so surreal for me. And I had so much fun as a 20-year-old kid out in a city and a hotel for two months, like getting per diem.

Like, I used to roof for a week making $400 cash. And they were giving me $400 cash per diem. And I was like, this is per diem is amazing. you know like and there were stunt guys and there was wardrobe and it was just it was such a surreal few months man it was really surreal and i had so much fun on that so yes maurats stands out and meeting i would say stanley will always be like my highlight of everything and there's so many other cool people i've got to work with alan rickman george carlin and all these cool people tason lee i like a lot he's a lot of fun that's what is he up to uh he's like doing photography

and I think he has a photography business But I know He's such a good actor Yeah he's out I forget where he lives now He's married He has kids No Cali he's not in Cali

No he's not in Cali He's not in Cali He's in like He talked to him once in a while Well just when we were on the movie Not otherwise But I had seen him on the movie And we spent like a week

A few days together He's very nice guy I love him But I had so much fun with him on the movie That was his first movie too And so he was You know he was a professional skateboarder He auditioned for Moritz

Got the part And I got to spend time and he was so excited to be there. And then Ethan Copley, him and Ethan, I mean too. We got to get him on here. Yeah, he's so great, dude. And he took me, when I came out, every time I came out to L.A.,

like Ethan took me under his ring because he hung out with everybody and he like would pick me up at the airport and he would bring me around. I met his parents and like he would bring me to the, to like the couple of the restaurants. I remember the first time I came out here. Ethan's like, we're going to go meet some friends. Did you hang out of Leo?

We went to the Famosa, right? which is so surreal for me. You know, Jersey guy. I've been to a bit, I've been to L.A. before. Right. Except for when we audition for Mollrats. I had auditioned for Mollrats.

What? Yeah. Because the producers were like, well, he's never done a movie. He hasn't had acting coaches. Like he's never done. So Kevin prepped the shit out of you.

Yeah. Yeah. And Kevin never didn't want. He's like, dude, the character's based on him. It's him. We can't change it.

But they were like, I don't care. We're going to hold auditions. And like, so Mark Paul Gossler came and auditioned. for Jay, Seth Green. Seth Green actually was runner up.

Like, if I'd messed up, they were going to bring Seth Green in, and Seth Green would have played Jay. How crazy. Does Seth know that I'll ask him? I don't know. I think he does know. I think he does know. The whole thing would have changed.

Breck and Myers, like, it's so crazy the people that were there now because later. So I go to the Formosa. It's so weird for me. I walk in. He does, come over to the table with my friends. He's sitting with, like, Leo, Toby McGuire, you know, like all these cats. that hung out uh jason bloom i know all of them dash dash um dash um dash mehawk yes yeah oh my gosh he was surreal for me and leo was always such a nice guy he's always been such a cool cat right

i remember him playing bond on nintendo or whatever at my house yeah at this rental house and just playing coming over a couple times a week just playing with me and j ferguson playing with football just the regular duty was such a good guy then i i wasn't as starstruck as i've got now because he's so big he's larger than life even though how do you get bigger than titanic but i do remember getting naked at his house once and wearing his titanic robe and i walk out there and i was naked with the with his titanic robe open with my junk hanging out and he's like good god and he laughed his ass off i love it but man i wish you would have let me keep it's uh it's it's it's it's it's real well it's interesting i find that there's certain people like you think about how big some

people are like their name like again i think there's people that a lot of people that a lot of people know, but, like, all over the world you think, I think about, like, Justin Bieber, like, Justin Bieber, Michael Jackson, like, Leo, like, there's some people that it's like, you could go to, like, a little island in wherever and be like, you know, Justin Bieber, they're like, oh, you know what I mean? Like, and I think, you know, an island of babies. It's got to be so weird. Exactly. Exactly. It's got to be so weird to be that. Yeah. Like, do you want to be that famous? No, not at all. Again. Was there a time, I'm sure, like, we all did. Like, I wanted to be. famous I wanted to be like everybody know me and now I just got I just don't really I never I stopped caring about that stuff I mean look you want to be you know what people like you you want to be successful but I don't have to I just want to enjoy

I want to be successful I remember going my buddy worked for Ben Affleck and we went to his house once because he said hey can you come we were like out eating we'd ride motorcycles together and he's like hey can you come help me I really have to be somewhere as and I need to wash

my car, my two cars. And Brian's like, we, my buddy's like, will you come help me? So we go to Ben's house. We get the cars, you know, we come out. I'm not exaggerating, dude. There's four cars of paparazzi outside of Jen Gardner's and Ben's house. And like, we had the windows tinted up and stuff. And they followed us for like five blocks. Finally, like me and my buddy are behind each other because I'm following him to go. And we roll the windows down and we look and they're like, whoa. And they turn around. But I can't imagine. My point is, Can't imagine coming out of my driveway every day And people taking pictures of me

You'd have to watch every move you make I think I think what happens is in the beginning You're like oh my god This is crazy this crazy look at this I remember feeling crazy when like Smallville hit Or something they recognize you're moving Oh my God look at this is it And then there has to be a come a time

We're like okay that was cool But now I have no privacy I never had to worry about that I'm going to the bathroom man come on I actually had that I actually had I'm taking a piss yeah and this guy at a concert was like Chicago you know the band yeah and I he looks at me

and he's like dude Lex Luthor I'm like I'm holding my dick can we talk about this right afterwards yeah yeah yes let me hold my Johnson well look man this has been a real treat I really appreciated this this was a lot of fun and I mean you're so open in Canada just a dude we're gonna go to reflexology get her feet worked on we're to go for a swim I want to meet the kid I gotta meet the wife yes this was a real joy man I'd come on your podcast any time of the day, man.

Love it, love it. Do we come up with the name for Ryan here? How about peek-a-boo? Because he, like, comes out and says one thing, and then he goes back. Like a turtle almost. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He, like, or peek-a-boo. Or boo.

No, boo's been done. Yeah, that's peek-a-pooh. Peek-a-pooh. Peek-pooh. No, I don't know. Peek-poo. Hey, peek-y-po, what do you guys think? peeky poo maybe uh yeah leave some comments peeky poo peekaboo

silent ryan silent ryan yeah he says only says things sometimes private ryan silent ryan because right now remember where we named him yeah and because in the movies bob only talks once in a while to say something important he spoke about twice throughout this podcast to give us information so he is silent Ryan that's what I'm for yes I say. Jay and Silent Bob reboot October, mid-October. Look for it. Look, man, he's obviously, if you listen to this podcast, there's no doubt that you're entertained by him. And he's so open and honest. He's a real dude. The movies are hilarious. You want to sit down and have a laugh. Movies are so fucking boring nowadays that you're going to have some fun with this one. I love this every bit of it. And what's your handle, Twitter and Instagram? So J-M-M-E-W-E-S is my Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook, but also my Twitch. Follow me on Twitch, please. I'm trying to build my Twitch up. I started doing about three months ago.

I do Lego building. I play video games, and I walk around with my backpack. It's like IRL backpacking, just chatting. From Jason Mews with Jay and Silent Bob reboot to Silent Ryan. I'm Michael Rosenbaum. Thank you for allowing to be inside of you, Jason. Thank you. Hi, I'm Joe Sal C. Hi, host of the stacking Benjamin's podcast. Today, we're going to talk about what if you came across $50,000. What would you do?

Put it into a tax-advantaged retirement account. The mortgage. That's what we do. Make a down payment on a home. Something nice. Buying a vehicle. A separate bucket for this addition that we're adding. $50,000. I'll buy a new podcast. You'll buy new friends. And we're done. Thanks for playing, everybody. We're out of here. Stacky Benjamin's, follow and listen on your favorite platform.