Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Joe Lo Truglio

Episode Date: December 3, 2019

Joe Lo Truglio (Brooklyn Nine-Nine, Role Models, Superbad) joins us this week to talk about his experiences in the industry and the ups and downs that have come along with him finding success on hit shows like Brooklyn Nine-Nine. Joe opens up about times of resentment seeing others around him finding success along with dealing with ones ego once that same level of success is attained. He also shares behind the scenes games played on Brooklyn Nine-Nine and earlier stories from his career coming up with comics like Michael Ian Black, Tom Lennon, and Michael Showalter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Holy crap, man. Hope everybody had a good weekend. Nice and long. Yeah? What did you do, Ryan? Well, you know, this last weekend I was sick, so I couldn't really do much. Oh, yeah. That sucked, man.

You feel, you're better now. I feel better, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you kind of looked like a bit of a smacked ass when you came in because you were wearing, you know, it's around Halloween now. So it's the, you were wearing the It, the Penny Wise costume? I was Pennywise. recently in a sketch on YouTube yeah on a sketch on YouTube would you can check it out work you can I check that out it's on the warp zone YouTube channel check that out you'll check

out Ryan he's Penny Wise and he had to wear these contacts he'd never warn him I hate I hate contacts I don't know how you do it I don't know how you do it I'm wearing them now but I'm still not used to them uh you know a lot of stuff going on you know the album's been out for about I don't know about a month maybe and that's really about it man in love with Michael Rosemont and Chris Sullivan as you know is airing every Monday so make sure you subscribe and write our review uh we need you today on the podcast we have joe letriglio uh if you don't know jo um brooklyn nine nine he's amazing he's hilarious i've known him for a long time there's a couple of moments here in this podcast that i know i was transfixed on what he was saying and so is ryan it

was just really it was powerful it was simple yeah powerful was applicable to a lot of things yeah it was it was applicable to a lot it doesn't matter if you're an actor or whatever what he says is like sometimes we're jealous of this whether it's a neighbor or you're you know i'm you know i'm jealous because uh you know my buddy dax has way more followers and jealous he's not good you know he's just like gosh you compare yourself to others and he has something really to say about that and it it's really it's really uh pretty profound you know today it's pretty interesting the first thing that he's going to get a colonoscopy tomorrow so you're hearing him the day before where he has to not eat anything and you can tell he's going a little stir crazy but uh you know you've seen him on the state if you uh if you're old enough back in tv years ago reno 911 so many things you've seen him in everything super bad um this is one of my favorite guests i say i think i say that a lot but really uh i've known this guy a long time and i just love him and i miss him and it was good having him in here i think you're going to really dig so let's get inside of joe latrudeo It's my point of you

You're listening to inside of you With Michael Rosenbaum Inside of You Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum Was not recorded in front of a live studio audience I didn't know what the hell I was doing in the beginning I was convinced that I should do a podcast Someone goes, you got a good voice, you know people

Yeah Have a podcast So I didn't want to do it And then I did it thinking, okay, maybe I can make some money. And then I realized, wow, it's not easy to make money in the podcast. A, everybody has a podcast. Yeah. What happened was I probably would have quit.

But one day, I just started to become really vulnerable. Uh-huh. Really, like really, it was therapy for me because I realized the way I was living was not honest. I mean, I think everybody thought, oh, he's got his shit together. He organizes everything. Yeah. You know, he was on a hit show. He's always working.

He's doing this. He got God. The guy's always. He's so. happen well i'll say this i'll say that already you're an affable guy you're a friendly guy you're a warm guy and you love conversation and you know people i mean that's those are the type of people that should be having a podcast you're also uh generous and curious two other qualities yeah for a good podcast so here's to you on your 90 well hey whatever whatever episode thank you jolla truglio but it became

vulnerable it became like i thought like i had purpose that's why i do it i do it because i really love to talk to people and find out how they get through. They face adversity. How did they get through it? What do they do? What makes them tick? You know, people see, oh, what are you doing now? Oh, you're doing Brooklyn Nine Nine. Oh, you're a big star. But they don't know your journey. And I sort of know your journey. Sure. I know the shit that you went through. Well, I'll say, I'll say this. I don't do a lot of podcasts. I often get self-conscious about it. But I also like to see my friends. And I haven't seen you in a while. And isn't that funny? Like, I find, this goes back to the guys at the state and everything you grow up you get older they have

kids have a family you're like how can i see more of them how can i see my friends what if they have a podcast or we work together and then you're and then suddenly forced what i see them i have to i can't i just can't meet them at jerry's deli if i don't if i don't show up i don't get paid and i have to see them let's hope they're a guest star on brooklyn nine nine that would be perfect it's so convenient for me what am i going to do text email give me me a break it's the only way i was anxious to see you haven't seen you in a while yeah so i was excited about coming here you know matt ballard just text me like five minutes before you showed up our good friend matthew ballard i went to college with him we got naked at college we did the cherry

run ballard is now a family man he's he's doing really well he's doing something rob macklehaney yeah always sunny great guy great guy that everybody loves and you guys always all the guys from the state show walter and marino and the whole game everybody all always Michael Ian Black. Oh, you guys, and I noticed like, wow, he became friends. And I knew you guys. Yeah. You all knew each other.

Did I mean, did I meet you through Ballard? I've been, I've been, not really. No, I think I knew you first, maybe. I think you did. And remind me, if I'm wrong, it was through MTV. Were we at MTV or was it even before MTV? It was around there where you guys were doing the state. And if you guys out there listening, don't know who the state was, look up some old

videos find it because it really all these guys careers like david wayne michael show walter they they've gone on hot wet american summer tom leon tom lennan kennernernerner kenny it's a lot and if you don't know if you're thinking i don't know those names they know look them up look those names up and you're like holy crap that guy's hilarious this guy's hilarious oh my god look what he did these guys all started together they met at uh new new york university new york university some of us weren't filmed somewhere uh in trauma but now we old say trauma I meant to say drama, but maybe sub- I'll tell you.

Because you're from Queens, right? That's why you were trauma. Well, I'm thinking about trauma. Can I tell you why? Something comedy, something trauma right now. This is, I'm thinking about trauma right now because, and this is, this is why it's amazing that I'm doing this podcast inside of me. Tomorrow I'm getting colonoscopy.

Today, I'm in prep. I can't eat anything. Inside you. Tomorrow? Dr. Schwartz. That's right. I got two people coming at me. Now, have you done that yet?

Here's what's all so funny. It's just, I guess it's because of our age. We just talked about our age. But, you know, the age just went down. Two years ago, I went in to a gastroentologist. I can't pronounce it. Is that right? I don't know.

Too long. Just say gas, the ass guy, you know. And I went to him because my buddy Harlan Williams, you know, Harlan? Yeah. You know, Harlan's the, if you guys don't know, he's been on the show, the dumb and dumber guy, hey, you guys drinking out of some of grandpa's cough medicine on your bud? So he said, you know, I went to the ass guy and I got a colonoscopy.

You should really do it. I was worried and checked out for polyps and stuff. I didn't have anything. I'm clean. You should probably get. So I bet he has peace of mind. I went to see this ass doctor and I sat down with him and he looked at me. He goes, you know, how old are you?

And at the time I was like 44. He goes, yeah, you know, most guys don't get this until 50 unless there's some things going on. Yeah. And then all of a sudden I read in men's journal or something like a year ago, they've knocked down the age to 45. That's right. So now I'm older than that age. Yeah.

So now I'm going to go get a colonoscopy. There's a few of my friends that want to go get it. We might want to document it. Uh-huh. You know, go together. Yeah. Are you going to use footage that they take? Um, I don't know.

I don't know if I, but, you know, they say the worst part is the night before when you're just unloading, unleashing. Yeah, that's tonight for me. That's, you're doing that tonight. Yes. So what do you have to do? So, by the way, this is good for you guys to hear because it's important. So many your listeners are of colonoscopy. I'm sure.

Well, this is health. Regardless, if you have a husband, a boyfriend, or your, whatever, you should know this. This is Joe's doing this tomorrow. What are you doing the night to prepare? What are you doing today? Well, today, you know, it's just a clear liquid diet, guys. I get no breakfast, water, I can have coffee, tea. The instruction booklet says, nothing red or purple.

Now, do I drink Kool-Aid? No. Maybe some of you out there would. Or popsicles. Do I have a lot of red or purple popsicles during the day? I don't have any. I can't remember the last time I had one of those. But I certainly can't have them today.

Clear fluids. Clear fluids. Chicken broth, you know, some, you know, beef, bullion broth. How hungry are you right now? Not that hungry. I don't eat breakfast that much anyway. But I'm glad this podcast wasn't at like four. That would have been, I would have been hangary.

It's going to be tough later for me. Yeah, I'm glad we got you. When I go to my therapy session at five, that'll be interesting. Right before. I wonder. I haven't had any anything to. eat you still go to therapy still no I just I just kind of started a few months ago marital problems it's everything your whole life yeah it's everything isn't it yeah see how I just jump in

there marital problem who says that I don't know so anyway that's happening for me tomorrow so tonight all fluids you'll be hangary you'll go to sleep you'll wake up well you have to take this liquid stuff like you know right before you go to four before you go to bed what is that I don't know but from what I hear from my friends that have done it it just taste terrible, and it just makes a shit. I mean, that's, you know, clears it out, clears out the pipes. So, you know, I kind of have to stay indoors. Did people prepare, Ryan, you're laughing. It's funny. It's funny. This is Ryan, by the way, this is my engineer, Ryan. No, it's funny. Like, you have to stay, you can't really go anywhere. And, you know, a friend of mine just was going to

have a screening tonight. And I'm like, I want to go. And he's like, actually, you know, we may have some, it's pretty tight. You, you really want to go. I really do. But it might be good that I don't because dot dot dot so yeah because there's a lot of reasons one I have to have the very back row aisle one right if you can't get me that seat I'm not coming yeah yeah or going yeah that's right that it's important I get I didn't want I didn't want to put that pressure on him Ryan's too young right here is how old are you 31 you're 31 so you don't you have to think of this right now right I got some time do you get prostate exams Ryan uh no have you ever had a finger in your buns well that's different you have had that no

you have you joe sure i've only had one in my life and i have this conversation with a lot of people because a lot of guys will tell me they have fingers um in their prostate they have prostate exams and i go no no my doctor says it's unnecessary now you can just do a blood test check your PSA and you're fine but i'm hearing back and forth things like that so i actually went to my doctor i said look i'm i'm a little like uh i don't know sensitive about this like you have not put a finger in my ass yeah 20 years i've known you i don't like we've known each other a long time how come no finger and he goes do you want one i go not if i don't if you really don't think i need one even if you don't need one is it that bad i had one right before i had back surgery once and there was no need

because i'm like i'm having back surgery not ass surgery right so the guy says mr rosenbaum i'm gonna you know this is protocol so if you could bend over i want you to know that don't be embarrassed some men some men not all men but they occasionally ejaculate and i and i told them if this happens i'm going to jump eight stories to my death out this window this of shame of shame and embarrassment could you imagine you're you're there as a straight guy or a gay guy yeah and this old guy puts a finger in your butt and you unload in this cold hospital floor it'd be tough it's just not personal it's not a personal intimate moment that you want to have that you want to remember really you know yeah you want something with a little bit more uh ambience yeah to tomorrow tomorrow

do they um do they you wake up and what times your procedure uh i think it's around one and uh i got to be around 1230. I'm going under the gas. Oh, yeah. Oh, is it gas or can they actually put you under? You want gas or you could take the heavy duty drugs. You don't like that. Well, you know, it's not that, but I'm told that where I was warned that you might not feel pain, but feel something. And I don't want to feel anything. I don't need to remember this. Just like, go in there, tell me what's up, and I'll wake up and then you tell me. And so, uh, and so I'm going to go with the anesthesia. you go anesthesia, so you can go anesthesia or gas. No, no, the gas being the anesthesia or like, like, you know, opioids, like

narcotics that they just like intravenously. I want to be out. I want to be out. I want to wake up and go, you weren't in my ass. Yeah. I don't think you were. You can't prove it. Yeah.

Yeah, there's, yeah, show me pictures. Oh, there they are. Oh, yeah, you were in there. Yeah, you were there. Okay. Are you nervous? A little bit I shouldn't be

I never used to be nervous about stuff like this And I'm not really very nervous But I had surgery before like adenoids out tonsils And I was a kid and needles don't scare me But like I don't know if it's you get older You have more to lose You're enjoying life more You have a kid?

Eli named after Eli Manning Stop it no You're a Jets fan aren't you? Yes I remember that It's not even talk about that right now I almost, I almost, we almost named his middle name Jet because of that. Thank God we didn't.

It would just, would have been terrible. Well, you could have told people was that after a wing song. Well, the thing, well, a wing song. Jet. Oh, that. Oh, okay. Oh, that's true. Yeah.

Well, you know, we decided that at the end of the day, when I hear the name Eli, I'll probably still think of my kid and not Eli Manning. See, before the kid comes, you hear Eli. Right. I think of Eli Manning. But now that Eli is here. going to think of my son right uh so that was quickly that fear was quickly lost away right um all right look we've talked about ass for the first 10 minutes of the show i mean look i've known you for a long

time we talk about the state i remember those days when you were always so humble so fun to be around i just felt comfortable around you just a genuine guy you've always been so genuine and i always said you know i always thought god i i want that guy to keep you know you know Oh, that's nice, right? Doing well, thanks. You are. You're just a genuinely good dude and you're so funny. And I remember watching the state and going, God, this guy's so funny. You just got to just. And I remember you struggle. We all struggle. But like you for years, right? Your way. People think, oh, Brooklyn 9-9. He did Reno 9-1, not Reno 9-1. Yeah, Reno 9-1. That's kind of hard to say. Reno 911. Brooklyn 9-9. I play a lot. I played a lot of cops. One that's really nice of you to say, Mike. And, Uh, it's the, you know, the struggle's real for a lot of people, for many of us actors, but I try to surround myself with, uh, good people. That was the first step. And, uh, and try not to take it too seriously.

But it, you know, it was nice to, uh, have the success I had. But, you know, there's some bitterness there. There was some comparing myself and some jealousies along the way that you have to kind of, you know, eat up, you know? Did you ever resent like in the beginning going, thinking, you know, one of your buddies your peers i think we've all gone through it is like he's doing so well it's like why can't he just give me a lift why can't he just fucking why can he drop me off the 23rd and fourth you know he's give me a ride i mean a little give me just give me a lift to i don't know a nice series but

something yeah right i mean you there's no way like i have friends that you know when i was on small or in pastor you know i was filming in canada so they would hire all canadian locals and you know sometimes I'd have people audition or something I didn't have that choice like it's not like you know and pastor finally was a thing where I was an executive producer was like hey I want my friend whoever to come up I want my friend Troy to do this I want my friend Roger to come up I want to if there's a role I want them even if it's not that big I want them to be a part of that that I would do if I ever had if I was ever a creator of a show I mean these are things I'm trying to do but that's that's when you give back you know I think that's great that you did that you have to do that but yeah but you know I haven't been I've been a creator of things that haven't aired so or have not even been shot just i sold something so that's you know when i did my movie yeah i remember i did this movie back in the day and it was just like a raunchy lowbrow fun comedy and i was like baller you know you're flying out sarah gillard you're flying out joe spina you're flying out uh whatever i could do my friend j ferguson who's on madman oh he already had a career but i'm like please do this role anybody any of my friends i just wanted to be in the movie

it's so satisfying isn't it it is you feel like we i we years i made five years ago me and Michael William Black created this show called Beef, which was like Judge Judy meets like the Sopranos. And the bit is it takes place like a butcher shop. And, you know, the guy, I'm forgetting the character's name, but Chris Maloney played him, would settle these neighborhood, you know, in skirmishes. Like, yeah, I went over with a nice craft beer over to Johnny's like Super Bowl party. And then, you know, he wouldn't let me have that. He hid the beer and we had to drink his like Bud Light shit.

And, you know, I feel then he kept the craft beer, you know, stuff like that. And so, and I invite Bauer did some, and a lot of my friends that, you know, are so good, so talented, but just haven't gotten, you know, that chance yet. It felt awesome. Like, and I feel that's important. I think you got to look out. I think it, I think it is important. And it's also hard when you don't have a lot of the, you know, especially like when I was in small, when I had a lot of success. I just remember going, I know what they want.

They want these pretty boys and these pretty girls in the show and they have to be Canadian. They can't afford it because, you know, they're. cheap and they you know unless it was like it just was like uh you know and you're like you're on hit show dude why can't you get me on smallville it's like if you look at it everybody was young except for me yeah like everybody's young and there's my dad Lionel luther and yeah but there wasn't a lot i could do i didn't try you weren't a producer were you no wasn't a producer so you didn't have that level a lot of it is this kind of misunderstanding of how the business works and how the power you know structure works the hierarchy and because you're like oh you're

on Brooklyn Nine and I just like put me on I'm like believe me not how it works I mentioned you to Joel Bestrup who was a fantastic casting director you mentioned me to her

I have not mentioned you I thought you were talking about I thought you were talking to me that now this is weird sorry Joe fine all right Rosie I'll talk to her oh believable so anyway how does he do it

how does he do it but yeah but like you know you have to go through these certain channels and I do I do. And by the way, Joe, you want to come on the show? Would I come on Brooklyn Nine-D-Nine?

You mean a hit show that you're on that's people love? I don't know. When I do it. Yeah. Some people are very selective in your careers. Look, I am selective in terms of like, I just don't like it. A lot of people go, why are you doing it? I go, you know what?

I just want to do my own stuff and I want to, unless it's like, obviously, if it's something that I just, you know, Jensen, Ackles, he's the lead on Supernatural. Okay. And he emailed me last night. He's like, dude, call your fucking agent and get on Supernatural. It's our last season. And I'm like, you know, and it's so nice because this is a huge show, huge fun.

He's got eight million people. And I'm like, you know, in my head, I'm like, I love Jensen. I love, you know, love the show. I love my, I love supernatural shit. And I love the fans and the fans are great. So I'm like, you know, if it's the right thing, I would do it. Of course. Are you kidding me?

I'd be lucky. But yes, so we'd be lucky to have you. So I'm going to phone your name out to, uh, are you kidding me. I'd love it. Even if it was like something fun and quick, I don't give a shit. I don't have any ego with that stuff. Just come and be funny. Egos are tough to keep in check, aren't they?

Dude, I've been learning about ego. I've learned, I've really, you know, I've talked about this, but you don't know this, but I went off to a wellness center for three weeks. Well, I listened to some of your... Oh, so I must have talked to. Peripherly, I do, but not a lot, but you were talking about meditation. I just started that a few months ago as well. Do you do it every day?

I do it every day for 10 minutes. I'll, I've missed, you know, sometimes I miss a day or two, but it's been very, very helpful how do you feel when you miss a day uh guilty yeah isn't that something it's like it's like it's like i try to express it to people but if you're doing something like everybody goes oh i wake up i drink four cups of coffee oh i wake up i have a cigarette oh i wake up i do this i go now imagine that you feel like you have to do that imagine you you break that routine you don't do that you know you quit a habit takes 21 days imagine a new habit and now you're going that's what happens it's like i hate meditation i hate meditation and then two weeks in i'm like i have to keep doing that yeah

And now it's, today's 96 days straight. I wake up and I do 20 minutes. And I cannot miss it or I feel like a failure. And that's a good routine now. Even if people think, oh, I don't know how my mind's racing. I'm like, motherfucker, look at me. Yeah, it's funny to say that because that was an intimidating thing for me, starting meditation as well because you're like, how do you meditate?

What do you got? I got, I got, everything's got to be quiet. No. And then, you know, I was working with Zapp. I was listening to this app. I thought you're going to say you're listening to Zap, Galapinakis. You know, what trauma. I'm listening to Gallifanakis's meditation tape and it's wonderful it's wonderful you know what

wait I want I'm gonna let you finish you gotta finish this but I really want to do he knows this I want to do a meditation app I want to do my voice yeah like because but I want to like talk about what I'm thinking yeah like it would be shit like this Joe I want to hear yours too I'm gonna be like all right listen if you're like me you know your mind is going nuts right now I should take a piss before this thing I should probably I don't know wash my face I should brush my teeth my breath is so bad right now but listen listen

nothing matters right now no one's smelling your breath I want you to just my nose is a little it's not clear so that's why you're hearing that you know that's like a truck in the distance

I would listen to that but it's just like I would call me I would be like I am thinking those things how does this guy know that what would yours be I do well

I think my they're all it's always deep right but it would be Let's sit down. Let's find a comfortable place. Let's concentrate on what it feels like to think about what you're going to do later. Wait, don't do that. Breathe.

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So we talked about your journey. When you're doing the state, I mean, this is MTV back in what year? This was 90. 92 we did a show called you wrote it you watch it which we were reenacting letters about from fans and we were doing that show that was in our show we were one of the directors on there and then that was 92 losing all track time i think 93 is when we started the state yeah because i think i did the pilot for that show that never made it like in 95 or 96 so that's probably around the time we did the cbs disaster uh you know the see when we jumped to the network

and then that was that was like October 95 so the MTV show was like before then so what was it like I mean you're at New York University you're meeting all these guys these big personalities was there an immediate attraction immediate love between all of you where you were just like you all thought each other were really fun and you liked everybody yeah there there was that a we we took each other pretty quickly and um I don't know it's one of those things where you you never know why this group of people got together I think we were all very smart ambitious extremely talented those guys are incredibly talented and and so i feel like that you know people like that are tracked each other and there was safety in numbers there's like okay what if we came up with

you know a you know a group where we can all perform and right and so it happened pretty quickly in terms of us getting along of course as you move on there's dysfunction in any big group and you know those dynamics start to get particular and and everyone sees what annoys each other about each other and so who was a leader though was there a leader was it was a david way well no no the the the the the our friend todd hollabek founded the group todd hollabek was in a sketch group with david wayne and mo willems you know who moe willems i don't mollums is a an incredible and very popular uh children's book author uh and he had founded this uh sketch group called the sterile act that todd hollowick and david wayne were in todd broke off from that and formed uh a group

called the new group, which ended up becoming the state. So that was, and this is all at NYU. Now, who did you think, honestly, in the beginning, when you first were there and, like, in school, you're like, this guy's the funniest. Who did you look up to where you're like, I mean, not to say, look, this is then. So it's not like you're throwing anybody under the road. Yeah, yeah. But who was it that you're like, God, this guy's going to be a star.

Wow. Well, you know, Ken was like, Ken made me laugh very hard, Marino. Tom Lennon was wicked, smart and funny. Although it's funny, Tom Lennon, and we talk about this. so I don't feel bad sharing this. Like, I didn't like Tom when I first met him. Tom was very, Tom seemed very, like, arrogant to me and standoffish. And we ended up going in for this student film directed by Adam Marcus, who did one of the Jason movies.

And we were in the audition, and we just hit it off. We had a great audition. We booked this student film, and we've been close ever since. I love that man. he's generous but it's interesting right how you meet somebody and like you don't take to them immediately and then they become really really close do you have you have friends like that yeah i also think it's it's easy for people i don't know how many times someone has you know said either about me or about a friend of mine or somebody i know or an actor and now i've learned not to listen they're

like yeah my friend joan her friend john's friend jim said that uh jack shepherd was not really nice and I'm like uh why I'm by the way this isn't a true story this is not a true no it's not a true story but like you know and I'm like why oh I don't know she said she went up to him to get a picture and he didn't want to take a picture I'm like do you think maybe he might have been having a bad day you think maybe he was in a rush was he eating was he yeah you know I'm a good judge of character I think that's a good trade of mine for the most part I meet people I'm like this person's good I trust them they seem like a genuine person I my friends are better than me

for the most part but I give people the benefit of the doubt they say so and so I go you know That's well that's why you have so many friends I mean you

What's amazing about you Rosie is that I went to your Halloween party I don't know when it was A few years ago Probably on October Was it last year It was at that place

I was in my other Zickle Mather Zichel Another terrific character We were a bunch of boneheads showing up like not in costume Everyone's in costume And so I think I wore like a quint shirt

or some Jaws shirt. Anyway, you have so many people that love you. You should know that. You should know that because it's important and it's easy to forget things like that, especially when you're feeling, I don't know, alone or out of it, not in sync, not feeling like you belong. I went there and like, look at all these guys, Rosie. That's amazing.

And it's true. And I was happy to be there and to be invited and that I also knew you. So it just to hold on to that and own that because that's an important thing to remember when you have those days where you're like, what the fuck am I doing again? Well, you know what, I want to say, first of all, I genuinely thank you for that. I think that's incredibly kind of you, and I appreciate that. The problem in my mind, it's not that I don't believe you.

It's not that I don't think they love me, my friends love me. It's this dichotomy of, yeah, of course. But then, I'm always organizing stuff and doing fun things and doing this and having Thanksgiving and having a Halloween party and doing it. What if I just didn't do that anymore? Would they still be showing, would they still want to give a shit about me? right right right and i i would hope the answer is yes i think some of them for sure i'm just like sometimes i worry i go god you're such a helper you're such a people pleaser you're such a like

i want to be liked you know yeah and it's you know it's kind of like dude we all want to be liked true but like you don't you have your family you have your job you have your kid you don't go hey i'm going to do this and invite all these people all the time and right and i am getting better at it and i've been working on myself but you know and i genuinely think people care about me yeah I do. That's not about that. But it's hard for me to allow people in, I think. I think I just, you know, I've talked about this billion times.

But, you know, getting it at a young age, getting it in life. And you walk around life, you're like, I don't know if I've ever been really felt love. Yeah. Like that I was really like love. Few people, I feel that way. But I can relate to that. I relate to that. Yeah.

I can relate to that in that there are many times when I'm in a room and I'm like, what the hell am I doing here? all these amazing people like what what what what's that about i should not be here and i've realized that you're never in a room you're not supposed to be in if you're in the room you deserve to be in the room period so that's helped me just take a step brack take a step brack trauma trauma what else zap what else zap so this is what happens when you uh when you prep for a colonoscopy you just you have no protein in your mind right now your ass is best You're dragging you to get rid of shit.

Yes. But like you have to step back and remember that you're there for a reason to just accept it. Just own it. You know, and that's helped me. I hear your point, too, about having a family, right? If I, you know, have this amazing place that you have with all these incredible things that inspire you in it, that's wonderful. And yet you're like, well, what else is there?

What about family, all that stuff? Like I could understand where your head might start to spin and be like, what happens if I don't throw the parties? Is it just, do I turn into Howard Hughes or whatever it is? You know what I mean? But you won't, man, you won't. You won't. There's too many, you're a people gather.

You have an energy to you that just people like it. So don't sweat it. Well, I thank you, my friend. Yeah, man. But look, back to you. Back to me. It's inside of you. It is inside of me.

what else we haven't talked about uh what haven't we talked about well brooklyn well i definitely want to talk about brooklyn but you know that that whole journey from going from the state into this like you know guest starring on things oh doing things you're always like going hey you i remember playing poker with you and i remember being at bars with you yeah and it's just like hey joe what are you doing i was like i you know i might do this independent thing i don't know i'm paying i remember going up to you and you're in a quadruple banger it's called it's four you know you're staying in this thing that's probably the size of uh one of those little private urinals yeah you know we've all open in those and you were just like yeah I'm doing this little bit part I've waited 14 hours I haven't shot yet and I can just tell like you know you didn't you you didn't show up but I knew it like you're like I just I just want something to hit yeah you know I just want to be able to go on set every day yeah and be have a purpose yeah say I'm here to do my part and and work you wanted to work you're starting you're starting this is a very interesting part of the conversation we're segueing into now because what you're talking about is accepting when your time is right I had a long time accepting.

when my time was going to be. Many actors go through that. Mark Kevin Jackson just did a podcast with Brooklyn Nine-Nine, and I was talking about Brooklyn Nine-N-N-9 in that I almost didn't go in for Brooklyn Nine. I almost didn't get Brooklyn Nine-nine because I'd gone in, I'd put myself on tape for Allison Jones. Then they wanted me to come back in for a callback or a session. At that point, it was during a very kind of dark time in my career, in my head about my career,

like, you know what? I've done Superbad. I've done all these, like, little movies. enough's enough. Like, everyone knows what I can do. Like, cast me or don't cast me. But like, I'm tired of it. I was really, the ego was overwhelming, swallowing me up. And so I almost didn't go. And if I didn't go, I would not be on the show, clearly. More importantly, the lesson learned is that no one owes you anything. And if you're doing a job because you're expecting to get another job, you got to find what you like about it. I know that you hear it all the time.

You find the joy in what you do, but the older you get, you realize that's really the truth because it put me in such a mood of, I owe this, and people know what I can do and just give it to me, give it to me, entitlement that it really starts to weigh you down. And it starts to infiltrate you in negative ways. And you don't enjoy where you're around. I remember Camerino, it's why he's such a great guy. His wife, Erica Yama, wrote this really funny digital series called Burning Love that Ken was him. So many funny people were in that And I was shooting that And I was just in a terrible mood And like can I have to bring me inside Like while we're shooting You know I didn't know disruption

During the set But between takes I was just like not the greatest of moods And he's like what's up man He's like man He's like can I love you I love this This is so funny

Like I'm just gonna be doing this Like web shows Like it was really Narrow-minded Ungrateful type of stuff And he heard me As a friend And he related

And here I am talking to someone that also hadn't got his big break. Ken's amazing. He's seen all this stuff, but also hadn't gotten his break. And you realize you just end up sounding like a complete asshole because you can't see your path. You can't see when is your time. And it took me a while. And if I had kept in that kind of mode, well, then I don't get Brooklyn 9-9. And now Brooklyn 9-9 has given me a gift that is above and beyond.

I mean I have a new family I've gone through life changes several of us have gotten married several of us have gotten have had kids including myself if I had like no fuck it I'm not going in that is not open to me anymore that's not here and that's a very

humbling place to be when you're like ah now I'm getting it the struggle's real even after you think you've made the big time not the big time but like super bad I did super bad I'm like that movie was huge I'm like oh well here we go the only matter of time now start getting the calls here they come they don't come you know you still have to go in you

still have to do all that stuff so you just have to keep it in check because no one owes you anything no one's going to give you the money for the movie no one's going to write the script for you no one's going to like create the ideal part for you you find it you get it or just follow or if you don't know how to get it follow things that are coming at you that are opening up to you and maybe that will lead you there I don't know there was a There was a lot of that stuff going on for me about seven years ago. I don't think I've ever listened that hard in my life. Ryan, I noticed you too.

I noticed there was an energy shift. What you just said was worth the whole podcast. And worth it to me. And I know worth it to Ryan because that shit right there is so vital. And whether you're an actor or not, it's, it's, whether you're an actor or not, it's very important. And it is hard. you're right when you're the ego gets in the way the ego my fucking ego has got in the way of so many things where i'm like even on this i'll even talk about this podcast like now in the beginning i was like i don't know what i'm doing

i don't sound like i don't want to hear my voice i never listen to my voice yeah but i've gotten so many responses and people's lives have changed and it gives me purpose and i love it dax gets so many more listeners than i do i start comparing you start comparing comparison's hard why does he well he's a bigger star than you that's why he gets bigger listeners i know but he got the idea from what being on my podcast but he also yeah but so but he's great and for some reason he's got a bigger audience than you so what and then i'm like i know no i love i love him he deserves i love dax he's one of my best friends but i'm i guess it's kind of jealous i'm like yeah god it is i'm gonna be honest i i i wish i god i love my podcast i think i do a really good job i think people enjoy it i want more listeners you know what the you know

what the lesson i learned was please as soon as you realize that there's abundance you'll be all right with that there's room really for everybody everybody so dax absolutely deserves that course that podcast he's great at it and you're great at this so there's just room for everybody i mean that's just a bigger lesson borrow some from him sure can i just say dax rent him out just give me five percent of your audience five percent of dax's audience come over here just come on over because by the way my fans are so loyal and they're the listeners are so loyal and even like uh jen from legendary films who I met with about some projects two weeks ago I got an email from her today saying I love the podcast I listen to it it's so good and I'm like oh my god so people are listening

and I love it I'm not going to stop I don't care if it's like no but as long as one person's listening whoever you are out there I really love doing it so right I whether I make a lot of money or no money or whatever I'm going to continue to do this because I really love talking to people like you you could tell I just like it I'd like to this my whole life how great great is it to you know to have an intimate conversation with interesting people some of which you have a history like myself others you met for the first time it's the best you said something remind me of another story about comparison and jealousy it's i guess 90 oh no it's actually far than that's in like 2000 the state is is long done i have been doing like commercials here and there

you know maybe an independent film or here some voiceover nothing very exciting um and yet i see all my state, compatriots kind of doing their working. Working. Yeah. I get this audition for a movie. It's Arty Lang's Beer League. I'm in the audition. The casting director, and I won't name her name it says, okay, you're going to

slate, and then we're going to slate your name. I'm going to ask you some questions, and then we're going to go into the scene. And by the way, there's no improvving. They really, you know, stick to the script. I'm like, oh yeah, all right, sure. So hi, Joe La Trulio. Yeah, Joe. And so you were a member of the state. Uh-huh. Member of States, sketch comedy,

at NYU. And so, so many of your compatriots are like working at Reno 911 and some did what hot. And everyone seems to be like working except for you. The slate is running, by the way. The camera's on me. How is that all about? I'm like, well, you know, uh, I'm just trying to do my thing, you know, literally inside. I'm like, ready. I'm, I can't believe I'm furious. Like this ego and the comparison is just coming at me full force now because of this question and I just decided, well, you know, I'm just doing my thing. And in my head, I decided, oh, I'm going to be improvving now. There's no sticking to the script now. I ended up booking the part.

And it was a really good feeling knowing that when you're up against it and they're throwing, you know, egg on your face. And they're just really kind of beating it. Just stand up. Come, come at him. come at him now in her defense i i don't think she meant to make me feel that way i don't know she just wasn't a good interview i don't think she was a good interviewer and i i don't we're very aware of the terrible insecurities of actors and the level of comparison that goes on with us every minute of the day so i don't i don't i don't i don't you know i'm painting her as a terrible person she's

not i'm sure but that was a terrible moment for me um that i came out and I rose out of the ashes. You're the Phoenix. No, the Phoenix. Do you think that, do you think that doctors look at other doctors and go, I'm just as good as a doctor as him? I don't have as many patients. Yeah.

How much is he making? I'm like, I went to. How many heart surgeries did Ron do? I went to the University of Pittsburgh. Where do you go, DeVry? I mean, I went to St. John's. I mean, I think everybody does it, though, don't they? Yeah.

I think everybody, whether you're driving a UPS truck, same thing. It's like, dude, he's making more than me. I busts my ass. They work twice as hard as he is. Comparison, jealousy. They're just monsters, man. But you know what? Look, I still get it.

I'm just able to be like, all right, that's what I'm feeling now. You still get it, right? And you let it, you let you know that it's going to dissipate. It's going to go away. Yeah. Do you know what? I, I'm, it's getting less and less. It really, it truly, it's evaporating because I'm, I'm really going, what does it matter?

What is it? Because honestly, you feel like you're probably in the right place right now. I'm getting there because I really feel like when I'm 80 and I die, what does all these things matter? What is what does the house matter and jobs that I've done? What matters is the memories and the friendships and the things that I, the enjoyment of life. Yeah. The taking living, not going through the motions, not trying to compare, not trying to be someone,

but being the best you can be, being the best human, you could be giving and trying to love. And that's, those are the things I'm. working on so when my agent gets mad and says dude you know do you want to work again do you want to like i'm like i am writing a horror script right now i'm i'm pitching the script that i wrote for tv i'm doing an animated series with my friend harland i am doing two podcasts this is what i want to do but that's not where the big bread and butter money comes from i go you know what if spilberg calls you let me know because i'll answer that fucking call yeah i'm lucky by the way this isn't like look dude i've said this if I am like broke and someone goes yes I'll do anything I don't care what it is I work at Burger King to make money I don't care that's how my whole mentality was work work work work work but then I got to a point where look I'm not fucking I don't have like I don't Brooklyn 9 9 who knows what the fuck I'm just I'm just I can be I'm comfortable right now I'm comfortable that I don't have to just I have to work I still have to make money I don't know how much fuck you money right I don't know how much fuck you yeah it's more and

I mean, that, for me, for me, you know, many goals for a career, but for me is to, that's why Brooklyn Nine on is just amazing, you know, is to have a great job, obviously, and with people that you love. But, you know, you don't have control over that. Ideally, I'd love to have a nice savings of money. So, like, if jobs come along that I really don't want to do, I can say, no. Yeah. I want to work on this movie.

I mean, I think for many actors, many people in the creative. arts, I think have that goal. That's realistic. No one wants to do anything they don't want to do. I think part of the reason maybe it's easier for the jealousy to go away now is like, well, you know what? I'm, like in your 20, you don't know, everything is possible. You don't know what you want to do. And you see people doing, oh, that looks cool. That looks cool. That looks great. I don't do that. I want to do that. And you get older. And you're like, oh, I actually want to do this and I'm doing it. You know, I'm writing my movie. And it makes it easier. Then you're not comparing. You know, I also think that after 25 years of, you know, whatever, and 47, there has to come a moment where you go, oh, that's not working for me. Yeah. Also, by the way, and the bigger thing. That doesn't work. By the way, we're all dust. All right.

That's what I was trying to say. We're all dust. That's what I was trying. In the wind. Yeah. In the wind. We're all Kansas lovers. That's what I was saying.

You said it more frankly, more compact. We're all, that's what, so what does it matter? You know what makes me feel better? Pizza? Making someone else feel good. Maybe, you know, I think we're all put on this earth, maybe, to just make other people happy, which will make us happy if we're making other people happy. If we're helping other people, that's making us feel good.

If you're doing something that contributes to society or humanity, whatever it is, and I think for a lot of my life, it was me, me, me, me, me, me, show, show, voiceover, travel, friends, this, there wasn't that connection. and now just working with hands-on and charities and working with people and trying to help people and going somewhere for four hours and leaving going, I might have helped someone today. I hope I did.

That's me, I swear. It actually makes me tear up a little because, so food on foot is a nonprofit organization that I'm a part of. It's for homeless people and they are high functioning homeless people. So a lot of times people get money from the government that are mentally ill and things, but the people that are actually high functioning

that could work and they could do, those are the people that suffer. So they don't get the money. So a lot of times you see these people on Sundays when you're feeding the homeless and you're doing these things. And this organization's great because it says, if you're motivated,

if you want to be, if you want to have a job, if you want to have a place to live, you can. And that's what the organization's about. We're going to help you do that, but you have to show us that you're motivated. So just Sunday, this guy,

Eric graduated the program. And I'm just there, and I'm, you know, and we're all, there's a hundred and something people there. And people come there just to say, oh, I fed the homeless today. And that's nice. They showed up. Whatever. It doesn't matter. You're there.

You're there. And he starts giving his speech about just saying, hey, man, you know, and he was very humble. And he's just like, you know, telling about this is where I was. And what this organization did. And I just, I was just lost in that. And in my heart. That's so great. They were part of that.

And I honestly had to back up because I don't want all these people to see me kind of crying. Yeah. So I just backed up. And I just, and that feeling. is worth so much more than most of the bullshit feelings that you get that aren't even real. Anything to stop thinking about yourself

is a good thing, I think. I mean, you know, that's a good lesson to remember like, oh, I got to get it off of me. It's just, do you feel like a whole weight is off you? And then, like, what you're saying, you see this change that you're making and other people.

It's such a, I don't let her be talking about this that I think after his heart attack he was talking about, like, just how great. it is to like help people like it's really true like for instance my amazing wife beth dover is at the federal building right now bonding an immigrant out of jail so he can get with his family you know she's with this organization called immigrant families together that will make a huge difference to a person i mean she's incredible for many many reasons but that is only one of many

things I love about her but that feeling is like uncomparable to anything like can you imagine you're going to have a picture of a man that it gets to go back to his three kids and his wife that are here in san Antonio that he was going to get to it I mean this is the real real stuff like it's better than like an audition that you're going to miss or an episode of brooklyn nine nine you know it's it's it's real it's it's real the struggle's real you know and it's it's it's good to stuff like that. I need to do more of it. I think everyone needs to do more of it. I think if everybody just took one day out of the week to do something just to go, go to an old age home, go to a convalescent home a shelter, join food on foot, join me on a Sunday, go to a Ronald McDonald house,

help echoes of hope with foster youth, anything a day. And you spend three hours and you're going to go, what am I doing? I worry about me all the time, all the time. And this is just taking a moment. You'll be surprised at how good you feel. Like it is like, oh my God, this is incredible. How do I'm not think of this, helping other people. How have I been so blunt? Wow. Helping people feels good. Hey.

Do you still, do you stress? Do you still on set? Do you, do you, when you're learning your lines? No. No. Are you stressed at all anymore? No. You know your stuff.

You know, you're excited about work. You don't ever go, oh my God, I'm fucking up. I can't do this. No, that, no. And has that ever happened? Oh, of course. Of course. I think early in the beginning

you don't want to fuck up and you don't want to you think you're not good enough or you're trying to get your your sea legs on whatever new production you're on but I mean I've been doing this so long

and I love that I've been doing it so long that it is second nature I remember there was a time where I used to work for like an hour every night I just don't have the time to do that anymore like I'll like and I do stuff now like morning of like makeup trail

look at science and start, like, learning them and start thinking of bits immediately. You learn the lines on the day of? Yeah. Yeah. Because it's more improvisational feeling. No, because it's just, like, such a tool now. Like, it's seven years.

Like, you know TV. You get used to, like, how much time you'll have between shots and, like, you, you know you have time to really look at it. You also know your writers. You know the language of the script. You know that they know they're writing for your character. So it's easy for you to think to that, like that character and therefore remember it easier. Yeah.

So you know you're not thrown. Like if I'm, look, if I get a job tomorrow where I'm playing this like dramatic role. You have a speech or verbiage or even out of speech, but longer lines that have different rhythms. You'll work on for a while. I need to work on that. Like I, Charles Boyle is like, you know, back in my hand, you know, in a great way. And so I don't stress out about how to do Boyle anymore, you know. So it's normal for me, like when I'm doing a role or it's dramatic or whatever that I really take a couple of

days to learn those lines that I have to know. They're not just like a line here, three lines here. I'm, you know, if you're in a big chunks of scene and you have speeches and things like that, I can't, I've never been one to wake up, go to work, look in the trail and go, oh, here we go. And yeah, I got it. I know those people, you, Kristen Bell, you know, whatever, a lot of people, there's something that's so stressful to me about not knowing my lines when I'm on set.

There's something so stressful to me that my, maybe it's ADD, maybe in this new drug that I'm on for my ADD, which helps me. Maybe I could do it. Yeah. But I'm so distracted that, you know, when I'm on set and it was like, oh, we're going to shoot it now. I just have to be so prepared. Yeah. Well, you're a hard worker.

You know how long it takes to like. I wish I could do what you do. Well, in Smallville, were you like that even after a few seasons? It didn't matter because I always had a lot of lines. And I always, but I couldn't learn them. Like, you know, even Jensen, I was talking on Supernatural and those guys, they'll look at it and they'll have tons of stuff. And I go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty good. I'll get on the second take.

Yeah. I'm so, I mean, I think I'm so consumed and worried about failing and and everybody looking at me like I'm not good and a failure that I'm so hard on myself that that's where that comes from. And I don't know how to change that. I don't know how to change that. Right. You don't know, that's a great thing to know about yourself. You know, by the way, I know we started late because I gave you a tour around the home. I don't care. I mean, no. You want to do some quick lightning rounds. I just, did you get to everything? You know, it's not about getting into everything. It's more about life. Like the moment you'll see, you'll see how these work. But, you know, lightning rounds i can show you got everything uh we haven't even i don't know jennifer was like do you want to talk about the office i go uh not really oh that's so cool i love everybody talks about the office yeah everybody knows w Oakland nine nine Andy sandberg Terry Cruz all these guys yeah is there obviously you have to say the girls are there anyone on that set that you're just like no are they all great yes i like i i know it's just like you want the dirt but yes it's they're all incredible people they really are and do you party with Sandberg

do I party with them we're friends Joe I want you to come out with me tonight Joe you want to go to this thing yeah well we don't go out a lot because he's also a father and you know he's got a life but like we have here's what we do Andy and I have this thing every year where we make a bet it used to be about the show where we're like

how many flashbacks you think they'll be this season and that was fun for a while you make like a over under on it you know you bet for money for money we're like steak dinner is what we do And so we haven't done that in a while. But now, the past three years, we've been doing, like, who has the worst record? The Jets or the Niners.

He's Sanford. Niners are doing well. Yeah. And so, exactly. So, well, in getting to, there was one season where, you know, the Jets were doing, it was who had the worst record. It was after. It was who had the worst record.

And the Jets got off to a great start, and the Niners were terrible. And it looked like I was going to lose. It looks like the Jets would have the better record. And then the last half of the season, the Jets tank and like the Niners had this surge and the Jets end up having a worse season there for the steak dinner. That is not the case this year where it's such a joke.

The bet was who has the better record Jets ain't going to do it this year. Yeah. O and four and four and O. That's our bet. That's our kind of and then we go off for a steak dinner and and talk about it. It's hard to balance like you say you're dealing with a lot of stress

you're going to therapy. In therapy sessions, what do you talk about? What will you say she'll say, Joe, how are you doing? And you'll say, I'm stressed that in my ass. I can't stop obsessing about this movie that isn't here. I don't know if Brooklyn Nine-Nine's coming back. I don't know what's going on. My wife's doing this charity work with immigrants.

Look at me. I'm worrying about things that aren't that important. Right. I can't get it straight. I can't get it up. I'm new to therapy. Like I can get it up. Yeah.

I don't know really what to talk about there. So I get there and I just start talking about my day and my mood and, you know, issues. Like my issues are like not that different. Like in security, am I being the best person I can be? you know am I giving back am I a good husband am I good father you know all the all these all the basic boring shit that a lot of people

and not boring shit but you know important stuff but there's nothing there's nothing specific there's no like specific issues like I'm going to talk about how great it was to do this you are yeah and then just going to like why was it great I'm like well because I got to see my friend Rosie I got to talk about some things I don't talk about

often I got to see his house I get to meet Ryan and then you go from there and you know and then I'm a little nervous about getting a camera up my ass tomorrow a little bit nervous about that you'll be asleep you know I'll be asleep in fact if you want I have an ambient I can put you asleep put a camera up your ass wake you up and say hey how that feel I ended up getting groceries at 2 a.m and not remembering it ambient wigs me out do you take anything I don't do you take any supplements no I'm nothing you don't take any you don't take any I've never been thought about it like I should take something it will take the edge off I've never I'm not I'm not

not a depressive person. I'm not. No, I'm not. No. And I think as of late because of the stress, I'm like, am I depressed? Like I should look into that. But I've always been a person that's pretty outgoing, enthusiastic, optimistic, annoyingly so, I think sometimes. You know, not eager, you know, but I've always had like an outlook of like, hey man, it is what it is. It's life. And let's just keep moving on. I don't get too wrapped up in sadness. And I'm not trying to demean that. To mean anyone that struggles with that, that's, that's real. But, like, that's just never been my disposition.

And so if it was, I would definitely be taking great parents, salt to the married 55 years. Do you think that's a good part of it? I think so. I mean, honestly, if your parents were, I mean, I mean, look, did they say, Joe, I love you. Joe, I'm proud of you. They do. They have. The Mets suck.

I mean, do they do all these things? They do all these things, yes. So, see, I think that's vital. Yeah. But look, and again, you have to go one day in life, you have to say if you had bad childhood, which things happen sure you have to say all right well i'm my own person now i have to get over these things yeah and i think for a long time a lot of people like myself just kind of you know it's hard it's hard to all of a sudden go all right i'm forget all those things that happened forget not being

having this yeah uh so but i'm glad i'm glad that you're honest about that i'm glad you had a great childhood and that shows in the person you are yeah i mean look our family has this function for sure but but affection was never an issue in the in the household and letting you know it was right or wrong or what you're proud or disappointed in is was always very open and transparent. I think that's healthy. Ultimately, it's like, do you feel safe, right? Like, you have a kid now. I'm like, my job is to love and protect this child and just make him feel safe.

I feel like if you feel safe, then then you're going to be off. You have a good start. I think if you feel safe, whether you're a child or as an adult, you're going to be the best you can be. Yeah. I think that if I'm not safe, whether it's on set with people who I respect and And I feel comfortable. I could try things.

I could take risks. They're not looking at me. Funny, whether you feel safe as a kid, which is most vital to be like, hey, you know, even if I drop the ball, I'm not a stupid idiot. I don't suck. My dad's proud. Yeah. Those things are so important, I think, being safe.

It sets you up. It sets you up for a really productive life that's receptive to everything. Well, you know what? You've just earned yourself an inside of you mug. I want one. Yep. You got one on the back. of it can you read what it says it says you should know this already because you

like you read the sides and you get it right away you read that two hours ago thank you for allowing me to be inside of you that's right I want to bring that I want you to use it it's a good mug it's a good looking mug admit it I want I do admit it and I want to thank you for having me and I love you brother this has been great what's your what's your Instagram and your Twitter handles oh uh very Joe La Trulio at Joe La Trulio for both for Twitter and and Instagram Brooklyn 9-9 can be your way. Brooklyn 9-9 is coming out

mid-season we're going to play January. The new season. Season 7 will start sometime in January and it'll be great and funny. January, it's starting. In other words, you've shot all these. We've shot, we're seven in, seven out of 13 for this season. So we're mid-shooting right now.

How many episodes have you done? Total? We've done 138 so far. At the end of this season, it'll be 143 so you renegotiated of course we did season three was that no no season after season six so you I mean after season season yeah after season six so after season six you've renegotiate yeah so you waited six seasons we had to we didn't wait that's the contract after the second season we negotiated you did

well well I don't think we were in a position to now was it hard to is everybody treated equally or obviously as it was it was it was tiered yeah it's like Joe this is what we're going to pay you and you're like uh was it was hard yeah but it but not really it works itself out yeah it works it was it was it was paid well i i was i was happy the the women weren't paid as well and that was wrong and and now they are getting paid equally in the second contract and so i think that's important yeah it is important yeah so but again the money the money is fine but it was you know the money's giving me a good life but it was really about having a thing that i love doing and going to a place where these people

we're in it together to do something funny. I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. No, you do. I was just like, I hope. Ryan just rolled his eyes. He's looking up. Ryan's boring, by the way. Look, Joe, I hope someday I get to work with you

because I think it would be a blast. I really love you as a human being and as a friend. And I know we haven't seen each other in years. And, you know, it's sort of life. But I'm like, this moment right here is very special to me. That's why I came. I've always liked you. And I appreciate you coming here today.

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