Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - JOHNNY KNOXVILLE: Hitting Jackass Limitations, Rage Against the Bullying & Stunting is a Habit

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

Johnny Knoxville (Jackass, Pretty Sure I Can Fly) joins us this week to share his early aspirations for show business, how those led to his addiction to wild and crazy stunts on Jackass, and how the latter contributed to his mind and body hitting a unfortunate breaking point. Johnny really opens up this week about his upbringing - sharing how he made amends with the past, but is still dealing with the ramifications of its trauma today. We also share horror stories of working with certain actors and directors, a shared intro to professional praise through Grease, and the joys of living with pain.  Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🧠 Qualialife: https://qualialife.com/iou 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 📞 Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/insideofyou ⚕️ Lumen: https://lumen.me/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. The first thing you say when you sit down, you're looking at the Dracula poster, and you're like, I was Kennery stand-in? Yeah. The whole movie? Stand-in and photo double, the whole movie. How did you score that? I was just doing extra work at the time, and just they happened to call me.

And, uh, how old are you at this point? 91. I'm 19 or 20. And it was, they did a lot of the, they did the, uh, they didn't use a lot of camera tricks. They, they, they filmed it like they did, you know, stunts and camera things, old timey. So when he goes to the window and opens the window and looks out, They like spray smoke and do stuff. They had me up, uh, off the ground like 20 feet with, uh, a window in front of me. And I'm parallel to the ground. And that's one of the days that Coppola came to second unit.

His son, Roman was directing second unit. And so he was telling me how to. Coppola being directed by Coppola. Yeah, that was pretty. Yeah. Were you nervous? Sure. Yeah.

Yeah. There's another time. Coppola directed gave me direction on that is it was a scene where he's shaving in the mirror he cuts himself yes but it's me here the back of my head here and he's here and so he had to you know had to mimic what he's doing were those long ass hours no we got it pretty we got it pretty quick but i i i tell you who i was i mean johnny or uh keanu was super nice but oldman uh and i'm sure i don't think i'm talking out of school because i think he's my favorite actor he's sober now and he's been sober yeah but he was he was drinking on that picture and

you know and like sometime i mean he'd would be 12 hour shoots and he'd be you know pretty well into his cups before the before they said action i'm like no way he's pulling this off he'd be in full Dracula makeup and he'd just be yapping, yapping, yap, and then they would say rolling, and it would all go away, and he was perfect. It was amazing to see. Were you, like, almost nervous for him? And then all of a sudden, he transformed. You just, just killed it every time. You know, it's funny because when I'm on set, I can't, oh, I can't like always be in a character. I can't, I'm always goofing off, fart, and making the crew laugh, and then action, and I go, it's just something that I've done. So I can understand that.

But when you're playing such an intense role like that and he has to be like this, it's amazing how he could just turn it on. And he wasn't always, you know, outwardly, you know, cutting up just because of the booze. I think that was his nature on that film for whatever reason. I haven't worked with him on any other thing. But just to watch him go from that to complete focus. Yeah. Like, this guy's really good. DeCaprio did that in the movie with the, uh, he, he was.

he was autistic you know he's an autistic kid with the heavyset woman what was it called gilbert gilbert great gilbert great what's eating gilbert yeah he did that he they say he was just cutting up and then he'd go into this character and just like when they said action yeah gary oldman there's a laser disc that i have of dracula of the movie and there's these outtakes and behind the scene stuff and he didn't get along with coppola did you know that i didn't i wasn't that far inside right well I obviously I wouldn't know but I saw this and uh they're talking to him and he's uh he's doing the scene we're supposed to come out as this giant vampire and they're rehearsing it and he goes like Gary Gary goes I can't just do that I can't I'm a fucking seven foot bat Francis you know I'm not

going to fuck in there going head to head and I told the story but like they interviewed Gary and they're like you didn't get along with Francis four companies like no in an industry like this you have to have a great ego. And Francis Ford Coppola has an ego the size of San Francisco. And I've got a pretty big one too. And that was all he said about it. Yeah. But yeah, I couldn't imagine.

Like, yeah, if he's drunk, it's not going to help. And I heard he was a bad drunk, right? I don't know about that. I just know how he was on the sat. He was, I never saw him be mean to anyone. He was just boisterous. Were you ever a bad drunk? If I don't eat.

before i go out drinking and i have a lot then it's usually trouble right trouble how just do stupid or shit yeah fights or why is that i don't know it just it's it i'm just i can't do it and but on the other hand i can be rowdy sometimes but i'm like my dad was not a great drunk he was no fun to be around it was like it sucked right he's never physical but a lot of like mental emotional like yeah just a growing up in a combative atmosphere and i was like no matter what i'm not going to be that you're not going to be the instigator provoker well no i didn't say that I just said that I'm not going to frighten people, my family, you know? Yeah.

But some people, I think when they drink, they just can't help but be that. They have a problem, right? Yeah. So I can be a handful sometimes, but, you know, I'm pretty situational. You're pretty situational. You could have one beer and you're fine. Oh, sure. You don't need to say I'm going to have 10.

No, no, no. You've never been like that. Oh, there's times in my life where I've drank too much, right? Yeah. Going out to bars too many nights a week and getting drinking way more than I should. But I could always, if push came to shove, I could always reel it in. Yeah. So.

Were you fearless? I mean, because you're obviously fearless in so many ways as the world is seen. But like, you know, you say you got in fights and stuff. where you sort of guy who wouldn't back down you're like fuck i don't care i don't care if this guy's bigger than me if you're you're you're drinking a little bit and somebody starting shit you'll go i'm not fearless uh i can manage my fear and i've lost quite a few fights to like two or more people because my thing is not like i'm not a badass i'm never claimed to be tough but i i don't like to be bullied i don't like two guys or three guys thinking they can back me down right and so yeah there's

been some of those instances do you think that stems from like childhood at all do you think like you know maybe the way sure yeah yeah sure i i feel like that being being uh bullied as a child just you know him coming home drunk and like it was dr jekyll muster hide when he's not drunk he was amazing super funny but when he was drinking it was total hell and uh and yeah it's just a lot of constant fights and i and it was out of my control right right yeah i couldn't do anything about it yeah yeah i can't explain how it makes me feel when someone tries to i don't know what it is too it's like uh you don't like feeling like rage you get rage yeah like if someone someone says you're not fucking doing that or shut up or something no no no like if that's different

i'm talking about two or three guys coming up and like trying to fight me yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so that is different um most guys but i don't i don't react with rage to i don't know i can't think of a situation where someone would tell me to shut up me you know i'm sure a lot of people have told you to shut up before yeah yeah but not in the angry right right way. I'm pretty chill as long as, you know. You don't push your buttons. Come at me a certain way. But I can, I like, and I also like being in uncomfortable situations. You do? Sure. You like being uncomfortable. What kind of situations do you like being in?

On a set, for instance, and another actor is acting absolutely terrible, just being a complete dick. to everybody sometimes to me like over the line asshole I think it's the funniest thing as long as they're not being like disrespectful to someone

and as long as they're not punching down right right then that will that will enrage you yeah but as as long as they're just making themselves look like an ass even if it's at my expense it's the funniest thing

and what do you do in those situations You just laugh? Or do you ever tell him the shut up? I've talked about this maybe once before, and he's passed now. And Tom Seidmore, great actor, a lot of demons. And it was one of my first films. And he was just an ass to me for the first two weeks. Every chance he went out of his way to be a dick to me.

And I had every line with him, right? my we were a comedy duo in the movie and you looked up to him and you like I don't know if I looked up but you like as an actor maybe he's a good actor right yeah I didn't look up pretty careful how I choose my heroes yeah you got to be careful how you choose your heroes you can get in a real mess that oh yeah Tom Seismore was my hero no I didn't mean it like as you're hero I just meant like he's someone like hey look I look up to him as an actor yeah sure but but he was he was treating me like shit yeah yeah like the the first table read because i already thought that i was going to get fired from this movie because it was a movie called big trouble barry sonnefeld directed it first big movie i did and

like first thing that i auditioned for and luckily i got it because i am terrible at auditioning i mean who isn't i i mean some people are good i'm terrible i was shooting jackass at the time and sprained my ankle, right? So that was the first knock. I was like, okay, I'm going to get down to the set and they're going to see my ankle sprained and they're going to fire me. And then I got word. They're flying me first class. I'm like, this is terrible news. You know, because all these nice things are happening to me and they're about to be taken away. Yeah. Inside of you is brought to you By Rocket Money, I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money, period. It's Rocket Money. It's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. This is just a wonderful app. There's a lot of apps out there that really, you know, you have to do this and pay for and that. But with Rocket Money, it's, they're saving you money. You're getting this app to save money. I don't know how many times. I don't know how many times. that I've had these unwanted subscriptions that I thought I canceled or I forgot to, you know,

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and there's like Tim Allen, Renee Russo, Stanley Tucci, Dennis Farina. I'm like, bye guys. then we get down to coral gables florida and they put me up in this huge suite i'm like son of a bitch this is terrible because it's all going away tomorrow it's just all this stuff you're feeling right you're going to yeah all nerves all nerves yeah and the re-throughs the next day terrified are you prepared yes but doesn't matter i'm getting fired right yeah i know that i know that feeling i've been executive producer and lead actor on a series and I felt like I was going to get fired because

I didn't have a good table read. Yeah. You hear stories. I've been a part of a film where the actress didn't take the table read seriously and it pissed off the director and there was no recovering and she got fired about two weeks in. Yeah. Nobody's safe. Yeah, nobody's safe. And it was a big actress. So you go on to this table read. Oh, the table reads. So, okay. Okay, every fucking scene, every line I have is with Tom Seismore. So we start going. We're about 10 minutes in, and I'm doing, my Southern accent is slightly more pronounced for this character than I usually talk. And so he gives me a line.

I give him a line back. He's about to give me a line. He's like, where did you get this accent from? And he looks at me and he looks at Barry Sonnenfeld. and I was like, fuck. Called you out in front of every guys. Like Stanley Tucci's on the other side, looks at me and I thought he was. Upset with you.

Yeah, but he wasn't. No. But everybody, Farina, all these great actors. But I was just like, you know what? I felt like Sylvester Stallone and Rhinestone. If I'm going to die, I'm going to die my way. And I kept, I was like, fuck him. I'm going to keep doing it.

Yeah. And then the same thing happened around. 30 minutes later. You're still doing that accent. Barry, come on. And I was just like, mother, fuck. You hated him at this moment. No, I didn't hate him.

I was just frightened, right? It wasn't all about him. He made you feel less than. Oh, yeah. I walked in feeling less than. And then he was, oh, my God. Yeah, Billy Barty could have dunked on me. And so after the,

I'm going upstairs to pack and Sonnenfeld comes always like don't pay attention to Tom you're doing great just keep doing what you're doing and sonifel actually didn't tell me this that day I did a movie with him about a year later and he goes I actually pulled Tom aside that day and told him if he didn't start picking it up you know he's going to be in trouble something along those lines like he was the one yeah I'm like Jesus I wish you to told me that day because I went i packed you know thinking that i'm done you it's what's that saying like worrying about something's paying interest on a debt you might not ever know oh you know that yeah yeah i did a lot of that and i still do sometimes but i but i'm better about it you know i think it's just with i guess

the older you get the less you give a shit the more experience you have the less you give a shit even though we all still give a shit sometimes i feel like the young me i was so ambitious just I was like anything. I would just have drive. I'd knock on anybody's door. I'd say whatever I wanted. I did. And I feel like the older I get, I have less of that, less ambition.

Yeah, I don't really leave the house that much. Me neither. I get anxiety when I leave the house. It's just, do I want to go out or am I, I'm happier with you with my girlfriend and my dog and my kids? Yeah. There's no. What else do I need?

But did it happen more? It was just really those two times in that one table read. that was the oh with him being me to me oh for the first two weeks just forating you yeah uh and after that he and he saw that I could pretty much I didn't react I didn't react at all except for I would get home and email someone the hilarity for the day you know it was all stories for me right right I didn't care yeah you never apologized he never said okay you're cool no no there's not that he didn't even know what he was doing right he didn't he wasn't even aware of what he was doing it just yeah and but after the first two

weeks he's like wow this guy's all right and i don't imagine he's like this guy's all right and then he loved me and would get upset if other people talk to me he would like get combative with other people if they came up and talk to me while i was standing next to him so weird yeah is that I don't, I mean, he was, he was, he was a real peach. I mean, great actor, but yeah, I've had that. There's other stories, which I won't share. Yeah. But I've had people intimidate me and, and try to, you know, put me in my place for some reason.

Like, I was just being nice and being me and I'm going and them just like, oh, it's you. We've talked about that, Ryan. But this one actor, he was just like, you're that guy, huh? And I'm like, what are you talking about? about and he just kind of looked at me and go yeah yeah all right and walked away i'm like was he like someone on your level or someone bigger he was an older actor who was in done a lot of movies and stuff but just i don't know he was like and i'm used to people liking me you know because i'm nice and fun yeah i think some one of those guys of a hundred people 90 people

laughing at my joke and one person is and i'm like that's what that's what you focus and i and i but this guy went out of his way to like you just a dick and it really really really like it's just you know those the feeling you get like the nerves the like kind of like shame like oh my god I'm just like dad just fucking yelled at yeah yeah yeah that's how I felt and that's how that authority thing when someone talks down to me or someone is short with me I I go out of my way sometimes I should shut up and I go out of my way to speak up for myself that happened with the who those for you who those two directors who directed those big um marble movies the Russo brothers they were they they they came in because they fired the creator of the show

I was on this pilot it was like me and Henry Winkler and some people and I love the nicest man on the planet he's like my father guys awesome and the Russo's came in and one of the Russo's was awesome and fun to work with and the other guy uh was just I don't know what what was happening but like day one he's like you over there go it was it was the the yeah when it was like over there and I go, hey, guys. Yeah, they go, a bunch of Marvel movies and stuff. And I said, can we just talk about it? No, don't be a problem.

Walk over. And everything started spiraling. And I let it go. And Henry goes, Michael, it's fine. Let it go. It's fine. I know what's happened. Just there's a lot of pressure.

And then something's, you know, he said, all right, say your line. And he goes, I go, I'd like to try it like this. And he just like goes, no, no, no, you're not. it was just like completely belittling and I go you know what fuck this man I don't like how you're talking to me at all since the first time you gave me direction it's like what do what's going on with you in front of everybody oh yeah I just fucking called him and what and what was his retort his brother who was really cool goes hey guys uh why don't we just go talk about this and I go sure and I went and I sat there and talk to him and he looked at me and he was like

you know he said some things he's like you know I here's what I want we're under a lot of pressure you need to go this is still a creative process i know you guys under a lot of pressure you can't talk to people like that it drives me crazy i'm a collaborative fun person you can't do that and everything was funny he's like all right i apologize won't happen again sure enough three days later the fucker yelled at me again i go dude what the fuck and his brother goes let's talk about this oh his was his brother always uh his brother was always just chill i don't know what's going I don't, I don't, I don't have anything against them. They're really talented guys.

But it was just, I remember I was the one who, like, kind of said something. Yeah. I always feel like I have to say something. And maybe because I was always the small, insecure, less than kid growing up. But you weren't, you were popular in high school, right? I, I mean, it was a small high school. Where was it? You know, in Knoxville tennis.

In Knoxville. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you played baseball? Yeah, I was baseball. And you were good. It's the only thing I was ever pretty good at. You know, so I love baseball. I love baseball.

I love it. My son plays, and it's so fun. You coach him? I coached him until he was 12. And then he got on, you know, he started playing travel ball, and I just kind of drive him to the games at support now. You don't want to be that overbearing father. It was like, you know, you need to do this. Did you feel like you were trying to do everything the opposite?

Well, no, I feel like up until 12, I felt like, can teach those kids. But then you start grinding down on certain things about your swing. And it felt there's, even though I, it's so different teaching that it is doing. And it took me, when I first started teaching him when he was six coaching,

these kids didn't even know how to throw a ball. And I never thought about how to tell something. one to throw a ball. Do you just throw it? Here's what you do. Yeah. It was easy because you're telling him like things that you didn't feel like you were, it wasn't beneath you.

I don't know how to. Common sense? I don't know how to tell someone to throw a ball. And it's just like, okay, knuckles to the ground and bring it on around. You know, just. I've never heard that. Yeah. It's just so, but yeah, it's so fun.

Did you ever, are you, uh, you seem like such a laid back dad. like you never get on their case or anything like that or were you ever like you need to hustle no i never get on him like that i don't yell you know i will if the umps he's pitching and the umps don't give him a strike i get to my some of the parents you know two of my friends that her parents are like come on just got to lay off him a little the the um you really go at it i don't real i just i don't realize it that i'm going at it it's all right all right all right but with rock I'm just always supportive, you know. That's the best story.

And if he does something, I just, we just talk about it on the way home. I mean, did you always want to get into acting or, I mean, is it something that always interesting? You were a moviegoer. Did you, as a kid, you just always like, I want to do that. I want to do that. As a family, we ate dinner around the TV, either watching Sanford and Son or the Indy Griffith show. Yeah.

And often we watch films, too, as a family around the TV. That's just, I can't tell you how much time I spent in front of the television set growing up. And I was active. I played baseball, basketball, and football. But that's kind of how we bonded. And so I don't know when I was around 13 or 14, whatever reason. I don't know why. Because I think I was like, well, shit, I'm going.

into high school and in college and I have no idea what I'm interested in, you know? Yeah, nobody does. You still have to make, you have to make choices. And I was like, I don't know about it. And then I don't know one day, I was like, oh, maybe I sit in there playing Calico Vision. Dude, I had a Calico Vision. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rocky versus, remember Rocky game?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, oh, yeah, I love the Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong, Cuba. And I just, whatever it got in my head that I wanted to become an actor. And you started doing high school plays? I did one. What was it? I played Danny Zuko in Greece.

You played the lead? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could sing? No, that's the funny part. Or day, I couldn't sing or dance. Or really deliver a performance then. Wait a minute. They cast you as Danny Zucco as the lead role and you can sing dance and you really didn't know what you're doing.

No. Come on. If somebody watched a tape of this, would they, agree with you? You can go on my Instagram and there's video of me playing Danny Zucco and

it will corroborate everything that I am telling you right now. Didn't you have to sing of Danny Zucco? Yeah. So like you sang all those songs but not in tune? Oh, see, I don't even know. You know, I don't even know if they're in tune.

I've heard they weren't even close to being in tune. But I'm toned deaf. I'm with my, apparently I sing all the time in the car and I don't even realize. Do they say you could sing? No, no one has ever said that I can sing. I remember, you get loud about it. I remember. No, no. I remember I asked Karen O to sing a song for Jackass Number Two. And she wrote a song and she's like, you're going to sing on it with me. I'm like, Karen, I can't sing. Yeah, you can. You have a talking voice you can sing i can't sing anyway we go to uh studio we go to record it sure enough i start singing i do three or four takes and you can just see it wash over her face that this guy he

was not lying like okay just turn me down i love that the the director of this grief production by the way coincidentally was my first play was grief Really? And I wasn't going to do anything. And I did it. I was nervous as shit. And that got me started and get the acting juices going. But it was Greece my senior year. Oh, what kind of play? I played the DJ Vince Fontaine. Remember, hey, hey, it's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I was just like, it wasn't until the end of the play when we went out for our, you know, we get out there for the applause. And I heard the applause. And I was like, oh, okay. Not being me is the way to go. Yeah. I'm going to be someone else. That's where I got it. I was like that that immediate. instant gratification sort of thing. Did you like that when people clap for you, didn't they? Oh, yeah. No, I loved the applause, even like playing sports growing up. Like sometimes like playing football, this is terrible.

This is terrible. But I would fake an injury on a play just so I could run off the field. And then the very next play, I'm like, put me in, coach. And when you go in the very next play, you get a lot of applause. Yeah. So that was great. So you milked that. Oh, my God.

I did that more than once, you know. Yeah. So you think you got into this business like me, where it's like you loved people appreciating you or clapping for you or praising you? I, well, that part, sure, I like, but I got into it. was just because I'm like, I don't know what I want to do for a job. I don't want to work. That was it. That was the big reason.

It was like, what thing can I do that doesn't feel like work? And I imagined that acting won't feel like work. But it does. Do you learn that? No, it is. I mean, but it ain't digging ditches. No. You know, it's not gnarly manual.

It's, it is work. And you have to prepare and, you know. But that's what spawned it. I was just like the loud one, you know. Were you always funny? You're always like the class clown? Well, I don't know. My dad was really funny.

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You enjoyed being around. And did you kind of forgive him for all that? Did he apologize when you got older? Did you guys make amends on that stuff? Yeah, yeah. I know we yeah um you know I just realized that he he just he he couldn't stop right he just he couldn't and you can't want you can want someone to stop but they have to want to stop yeah and he had a real problem but when he wasn't drinking he was fucking hilarious just walk in take

over any room start telling jokes do you think you do that now or you work or you became that. I don't. Because I always, with the persona that you have like on screen and being like watching you thinking everybody knows you,

obviously you're much more laid back and more of an introvert, but like you see how much you love to laugh and love to be around people who make you laugh. And I think that's a big part of your thing is you want to surround yourself

with people that make you laugh that you enjoy being around. Yeah, no, I like being in that situation. But again, I also like being on situations where someone's making a complete ass of themselves. You do. You like watching people. I love when it gets uncomfortable.

Anything. To a point. To it, like certain subject matter, I don't. When it gets dark, I can't, you know. But if someone's just being an ass, I love it, I just, if I can, like, help in any way. If I can twist a screw here or there. Well, if you were on the set with Christian Bell when he did his thing, where he went nuts.

Would you enjoy that? I don't know. I think he's great. I've met him. He's very nice. Do you think you would have been like, ha! Yeah, it depends.

It's situational how I would react. Yeah, like, I remember I was flying out of Mexico once, and you can keep this in or out. I don't know if it's even worth talking about. But I was sitting at the counter, and this father, whose arm was in a sling, and his face was bloody, walked up to the counter with, it felt like his 15-year-old stepson.

And his stepson, like, I don't know what milligram of oxy cotton or whatever he was on, but he was just swaying back and forth, back and forth. And I was like, what? And they were just arguing back and forth. The guy was just yelling at them. It was the most bizarre. Like, they just come from a car wreck, it looked like. It looked like something out of a movie.

I looked around for cameras. I'm like, am I being fucked with? So I just took my phone out of my pocket. I had a cowboy shirt on, and I just hit play and stuck it in my shirt. And I followed them around the airport for their, I don't know for the next 30 minutes And it didn't stop I went they went into the bathroom

I just walked into the bathroom Like I had to do something And they were just he was just yelling at his son His son was like so fuck off And it was just all this drama Then they get on my plane And by that time He was

The kid by the time we landed The kid came around You know And as we stood up to get off plane this big dude behind me got in the father's face it's like you need to be a little easier on him and uh which is true yeah and then we're walking off the plane and the kid that walks up to me he i'm sitting next to him he looks at me he was knoxville and like he had no idea i've been following you around for the past two hours bro you know like i know you a lot better than you know me i even

cut a little movie of it oh my god yeah so so that's like a gift it was like oh my god this is amazing it's like watching a train wreck and you just got to keep watching yeah yeah yeah just rubber neck in the yeah yeah yeah yeah i like that i mean if you this is a weird question do you think if you could do it all over again you would just maybe not do the jackass stuff because of all your injuries and all the shit that you've you know endured and just try to just do the acting and not do all this stuff or is it something you're like hey i i love every minute of it maybe it's not that easy some things i can do the pranks and or the yeah the pranks and stunts that where i'm not going to get a concussion you have how many 16 yeah yeah so but you love it you can't get the toothpaste back in the

tube so uh you know what am i going to do i mean look it's been an awesome ride right i mean mean there are things that i would want to do over but jackass is not one of them there's some things maybe in jackass you might have not done well sure there are some bits they were like they looked a lot better on paper than they actually because well sometimes a bit you think's going to work out really good just tanks and some you have no faith in are awesome yeah just a one reaction makes the whole one reaction or maybe it's not even a prank it's not a reaction it's not a reaction action it's just something happens that elevates it what what's like like you have a lot of issues with your back because i've had nine spine surgeries i've had a lot of that shit but 16 concussions

what did you ice hockey sports my whole life so i've got fusion here and they tried a disreplacement didn't work i've seven surgeries on my lower spine l3 l5 s1 and how long do those put you down for uh three to six months sometimes but you've had nine periods in your life where you're down three to six months. Oh, easily. And like, I'm always, I'm in perpetual pain. Like, I live with pain. So when I heard all the things you've done, your body, I felt like, I wonder if he lives with pain all the time. Like, you know, what your pain is, other people would be like, oh my God, I got to go see a doctor, but you're so used to it. You have a, you have a certain threshold. I don't know. I don't know what other people feel, but I do know that

I can get used to something you can get used to any kind of pain as long as it's not like nerve pain shooting down your legs you just it's amazing what you just can tell yourself as normal really you could you think your mind could help you with pain well I'm not that in touch with my body I tend to ignore things do you have headaches it's mostly my the big problem is my lower back you know i've blown out the lower part of my back and uh so you can't be on your feet for too long got around at the end of jackass two it was like i'd been in a gnarly car crash the two lower discs were blown out and what was happening i didn't know what was happening but i would be i would walk and then my back would seize up and i could no longer stand and i would go

down and what as you know probably it's the soas muscles in your stomach are trying to protect your lower back and they get hard to protect and when they do that oh man it is pain and you go down yeah it's this pain that kind of shoots from like the the front and the back it's kind of like this it's like this always talk about like it's this weight that's on your lower spine like somebody put like weights yeah there and you just feel it drags you fucking down yeah how do you deal with that like i mean obviously you deal with it like do you go to therapy do you you you know you uh you do you pain pills you get epidurals i tried a number of anti-inflammatories the any of them work finally landed on a great one that because i tried those patches i tried number everything in my my cabinet yeah and you know

and there's one anti-inflammatory i can't take because it breaks me out in a rash from head toe and celebrax just I can't so we had to be careful with what I was taking but dichlofenac will you write that down that clofenac yeah it's um that's the uh it's not the brand name but dichlofenac d I C L-O-F-E-N-A-C uh and also that really helps yeah it really like it just takes a lot of that pain it just better than a Tylenone and a leave it's not a pain it doesn't more anti-inflammatory yeah that and I started exercising my legs and ass and stomach to support my back but it took like six to eight months to get it where I could and also I found this great chiropractor and write this

down he you know I have to call him actually now because I'm having just it's all right I'm just I can feel it right I can feel my back seizing up and he has a number of things he does but one is he takes his thumb and he just sticks it in your stomach I didn't know what he's doing the first time and then he explained what he was doing is that the so ass stuff yeah he pushes on yeah and it releases yeah it really hurts right it does but then you you get used to it. Then it releases on both sides and then it's just like you're a brand new man. It's amazing when they work the SOAS. It's, yeah, it's great. Yeah, people don't know a lot about that. But when you have back pain, the SOAS, it's in your stomach. It's almost like if you're pushing down on the right or left of your stomach, just deep as deep as you can go.

You have to find it though. Yeah, it's like between your hip. It's a certain angle between your hip and your belly button. And I actually have taken a picture of his thumb imprints in my stomach so I can tell, if I'm on the road or something, I can tell someone where to push. And there's, there's, there's, with eye contact, of course. Oh, yes. Yes. But there's devices that you can have. I have one that will, you can.

Oh, the little plastic thing. Yeah, you have that. It doesn't help as much. No, no, you need someone like giving you pressure. I feel like massagers don't really help because they, they release endorphins, but then it makes it worse almost. Do you feel like that? Like, it feels good.

Massages have never, like, work for my, bag. No. It's my neck mostly. My neck's the worst. I have like a bulging disc right and a refusion. It's fucking food. Jesus Christ. You're a wreck. Yeah, I'm a wreck. You can get protein at home or a protein latte at Tim's. No powders, no blenders, no shakers. Starting at 17 grams per medium latte, Tim's new protein lattes, protein without all the work at participating restaurants in Canada. on September 5th. I come down here, we need you.

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It was, his name's Julian Nitzvork. He's actually the one who found, he directed by all the wonderful whites. So good. He worked sound or something on that. And we went to lunch and he said he was initially making a documentary on Hazel Ackins who lives in Boone County, too. He was doing, do you know who Hazel Ackins is? You should check him out. He's like a crazy rock, rockabilly, cycle Billy.

He heard a Hank Williams record when he was growing up and heard all the vocals and the bass, the drums, everything. He's like, wow, there's only one name on this. He must be playing everything. So he was a one-man band because he thought Hank Williams did it. I would become a one-man band. And he loves to sing songs about chickens and decapitation. Those are two of his favorite things. Jesus.

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You had no idea it was going to come across like this. No, we just went in for, we got some, I contacted Van Toffler and Jeff Yap at MTV. I think we went to Jeff first and Jeff went to Van and Van is always backed whatever. When we got out of line or in trouble, Van was always there to bell us out. He's like, yeah, I'll give him the fucking money. And he gave us for three days and we went in and just see what they were up to now. And after those three days, it was like, wow. You were there every day?

No, I didn't go. You didn't go. I would have been a distraction. But you got some of the stuff and you were like, oh. my god yeah they're going for it this is gold because i went to the premiere for it they had a premiere for it for that movie and i was just like i was in awe i couldn't believe how funny and just it was just all these things it was i've never seen anything like it if you haven't seen that and you dick house still does a lot of stuff like you're on top of like you have

projects coming to you a lot or is it just something you you come up with yeah you can you can pitch yeah i listen to pitches or jeff and i will listen to pitches we're not really great at it. You're like, okay. Thanks. No, no. I try to, we try to be thankful, but I, you know, just sometimes, like, Jeff will sit there and he's listening,

listening, and then you see whatever that, his phone come out and he's playing a game. Oh, my God. You're like, dude. I know. Or, like, I've been in pitches with Jeff, and I'm sure I do things, too, that he's like, what are you doing? But I've been in

pitches with Jeff where, wow, that was something happened i'm like that was terrible like they we said something and they didn't like it and it just went downhill from there i'm like did i mean was that that was really uncomfortable he's like huh i thought it was great he just has no clue that's the person you want to work with yeah yeah he has no clue but i i could be a problem too uh pretty sure i can fly yeah the podcast yeah i mean i look at like it's just just the idea you explore and celebrate the remarkable and slightly unhinged people who have pushed history forward and redefine the limits of human potential i think that is history something like historical figure something you always were into there's two things

or there's many things i like but like i love finding a song i've never heard before and and it makes me so happy right uh yeah same with some nut from history uh uh it it just thrills me because my cousin and I have a radio show the biggest happy family jubilee on Sirius Roger Allen Way Saturday nights 8 p.m. Eastern 5 Pacific

Where's it on? Series XM the Outlaw Channel but we do different tributes to some nut each week and well you say nut it could be a president it could be like prime minister like Winston Churchill could be something like that yeah yeah god we're doing it and smart like this week i'm trying to

we're doing it to the guy who you see best little whorehouse in texas yep he was the real character dom deloise was playing oh there was an actual person millard someone uh so that's who our tribute is for this week and that wouldn't necessarily work for pretty sure i can fly because we usually pick in a historical figure that has really laid it on the line physically, or not always, but most of the time. Like, Theodore Roosevelt, would you do him? Was he nutty enough? No, yeah, no, we, that's been brought up.

Like, this week we interviewed Courtney Dewalter. She's an ultramarathon runner, the best female ultramarathon run. run her all time maybe best male or female she beats men most of the time right just gnarly i mean she's running a hundred mile races 200 mile races Jesus like there's a 300 mile race and like a couple times she's went blind near the end of the race you know she started to lose her vision and she just keeps going so people who really push themselves beyond what a normal person can even do or try to do. Yeah, like that's just insane. And that's who you want to talk about. Yeah, or like Colonel John Paul Stapp. He was a flight surgeon, physician. And he also led groundbreaking experiments

on deceleration. It was in the 40s. They're trying to see what it was like for pilots to bail out at high altitudes because they didn't know right right just not knowing and doing these tests yeah i mean he was a brilliant brilliant man and he he uh got these at first at morrick army air base which became the air force and edwards air base but there he had this long track and uh he would he often and did the experiments himself, which is the main thing. He looked like an allergist. You would not think this guy is as gnarly as he was,

but he would go from several hundred miles an hour to a dead stop within 1.6 seconds. Because they thought that a man could only withstand 18 Gs. So they only built the canopies to withstand 18 Gs. he had access to all the records and he knew that pilots had lived past 18 G's uh but it was the the canopy or the plane that failed so he's also the reason we have seat belts anyway uh he eventually experienced 46.2 Gs the most Gs ever voluntarily experienced double more than double Wow.

Yeah, almost, yeah, almost two and a half times. And he, he went blind a couple times for a few days. Like before this last big run, where he became the fastest man. He actually became the fastest man on the planet for land speed a couple years earlier. But for the big run, I think he approached 632 miles an hour, which was faster. than a bullet out of a 45 then and that's when he in the night but the week before he thought i may go blind and he was just he went around his house with his eyes closed like figuring everything out yeah eating because he thought this is this could be it's insane yeah like what it takes

to be in that mindset he was brilliant and he and he was a contemporary of chuck yeager and you already Colonel Joseph Kittaker and um I got to listen to this one this one already aired yeah I think I told the story yeah just people like that that's great I just I just love I could I love shut up because I know I love this shit I think this is exactly the people this is so different than anything else the night before Yeager broke the sound barrier he broke his ribs you know he's riding horse horses with his wife and a gate was open and he thought it was he was closed he thought it was open and he fell off and broke his ribs and and the the one that patched him up for that was uh stapp you know he so you got you got smartless media back in this yes that's like the biggest i mean they're they're huge

yeah so pretty sure i can fly it's out now you can listen to it anywhere shit i don't know jesus yeah i think all right this is this is called shit talking with johnny knoxville it's rapid fire it's uh my patrons i love you uh patron dot com slash inside of you nico p did you consider your stunt work addictive yeah i think i did get addicted uh eventually yeah to the bigger the big stunts i got addicted to and i'm still dealing with that little lisa who's been the most influential person in your life i would say my father wow yeah very complicated hey but there's a lot love you know nick w who was more fun to work with arnold luther the rock it sounds like a

bullshit answer but they both were great and um you know i got to work with jacky chan too and you work with these people and you see why they are who they are yeah you know there was not one second wasted was schwarzenegger like we were flying somewhere for press and he's on the plain like writing thank you letters to people or doing this or doing that it was like there was nothing wasted and he's so all three of them are very all positive you know no no negativity poor me you you'll see like as you like you know who's successful in a they're always positive uh negativity just eats at you no i know i know If you had to guess, Jeremy C says, how many injuries have you had over the years?

If you had to guess a number. Oh, I have no fucking clue. Would you say 50, 100? I would say between 50, you know, 100, you know. Linda M. Part from work, what really makes you happy. Being at home with my kids and dog and hanging out with my girlfriend and, like, when my daughter asked me to go in the backyard and hit volleyball with her, my son asked me to go, will you throw with me, dad? you love it yeah you look like you got a little emotional from that i did i'm i'm getting that's another thing about me i love i'm becoming so sensitive i've cried like three times i'm pretty

sure i can fly really yeah like that's good though right it means you're empathetic you're vulnerable oh my god it's like yeah like my both of my parents like were we get emotional and At times, I don't expect, like, I had Manny Pug on, you know, the, the, our alligator safety guy on Jackass. Right. He's like, if Manny says don't do it, fucking don't do it, because he'll let you do anything. You know, if he says don't do it, listen. But I did an interview with him, and, you know, he, the guy spent his whole life, he's Tarzan.

You know, he wanted to be Tarzan. diving in swamps at night with alligators bringing him to the surface spending the night out there he loves though he loves any animal that can kill you and had a great show with him i'm pretty sure i can play and at the end i was just telling him goodbye god damn it's happening again just saying goodbye and you just started crying well i'm not fucking crying but i did choke up no i'm not saying that But like, what was it about that that made you get emotional? I think because I worry about them. It's like, shit, man.

Who knows when, you know, if you take, if you keep taking chances, you only have so many. Chances. Yeah, you can take. And I just worry about him. And I'm so happy he's still here. Don't you feel that way about yourself, though? Like there's only so many chances you could take because you've taken a lot of chances i mean are you afraid of death uh i don't really think about it um with the stunts i i reached

a place doing stunts i never wanted to do anything that was going to kill me but i had to reach a place of like i'd never done this before and it's fucking dangerous and i can't walk into a stunt being frightened of death, right? Because then you're going to be L. Tansen. Then that's the worst. If you go, if you, then you don't commit. If you go into a stunt and you don't commit, it's really going to be bad. You got to want to be there. Is what has silly as crazy as it is sometimes. You got to want to do what you're doing because it's the negativity thing. But what if you are feeling that way?

I'm sure there's moments where you're like, you are nervous, you are tense. Yeah, you go on with it anyway. Yeah, you just do it. Yeah, you just do it. So you've gone on scared shitless and just done it? Usually I, if it's a big, big thing, I'll get my, I'll be the most frightened.

I'll get like a week before, five days before. but as it gets closer I can squash that and then I just want to get to the set that morning and do it then like let's go let's fucking go let's go yeah be ready where I get there

yeah I've taught you know I Jeff knows I'm like Jeff just get the set ready and when you need me call me I'll walk into the ring let the bull run over me and then we'll go to lunch you know and it just uh because if you're like oh i'll do it later i'll do it later you're not going to do it yeah you think you're going to do another jackass movie uh i don't know what are your kids want do they ever say no don't do it dad

well after uh the the last concussion on jackass forever uh which really gave me problem for six months. It was a traumatic brain injury with concussion, brain hemorrhage, broke my wrist, ribs. And then the neurologist is like, you can't. You can't do, you can't have another concussion. And I know that, you know, can imagine how it scared my kids. And I told him, I'm like, look, dad's not going to do that anymore.

any stump where I could possibly get a concussion or I didn't say when my life's at risk because I didn't want to put that in their head you know just dad's not going to do that anymore

so yeah so this has been awesome dude you're such a that wasn't really rapid fire I was like no those are mine those are my questions

the other ones when I said their name first those are rapid then it got into me because you started talking about something and then I started you know okay but yeah yeah so those weren't rapid and they they needed not to be rapid they needed to be drawn out a little bit yeah I'm not very rapid no no but I look pretty sure I can fly you can listen to it anywhere and is it true that you sometimes you uh before stunt you get in your car and you listen to your uh Roger Allen Wade your cousin and you listen to music his music before you go out. Yeah, when I say Jeff, just when you need me, call me, I will turn off my music, you know, my cousin's songs. And then I'm, then I'm ready. Is it one song in particular?

I just get you, get you there. Uh, there's like three or four of his, uh, sometimes I don't know if I'll make it. Uh, he wrote one for me specifically called cohere, cohereas. Brainerd Road will do it yeah and then there's a few other songs that will do it but it's always like songs from

back home like Towns Van Zantz song or you know don't you like how my dogs just come here at the end of the interview? No my dogs what kind is it? That's a little mixed pit

and the other one's a big rock A rottie mix. Oh, beautiful. They're lovely. You have a dog? Yeah. What kind of dog? She's a mutt.

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Thank you. Thank you for being here. The podcast, pretty sure I can fly, listen to it. I mean, you're always interesting. You always make people think, and you are who you are. And it seems like who you've always been. You're just that guy. And I appreciate you being here, man.

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