Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - JONATHAN FRAKES: Reality of the PICARD Reunion & Why Ego is Dead in Hollywood

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

Jonathan Frakes (Star Trek, Picard) joins us again this week and at 73 he is somehow still the most generous voice in the room. We get into the Picard Season Three reunion he calls a true full circle, the season eight of Next Generation they pitched together after twenty years apart, and the version of Riker he finally got to play one more time. We also talk about the Sir Ben Kingsley humility lesson from Thunderbirds, why he pulls hundred dollar bills out of his own pocket to keep a set joyful and safe, and his ride or die friendships with Brent Spiner, Patrick Stewart, and John Glover - - whose voicemails he still saves like love letters. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self 🫶 FODZYME: https://icaneatagain.com/inside 💖 Join Our Community: https://patreon.com/insideofyou __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: ⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou⁠⁠ 👕 Inside Of You Merch: ⁠⁠https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/⁠⁠ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 ⁠⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show⁠⁠ __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: ⁠⁠https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠⁠ 🤣 TikTok: ⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast⁠⁠ 📘 Facebook: ⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠⁠ 🐦 Twitter: ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod⁠⁠ 🌐 Website: ⁠⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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doing. I was just taking a live picture. I always get nervous, but that's fun. I look forward to it. Let's get everything out of today we can. And how much time do you have left and how are you going to use it well? So come on now. We would have to do another inside of you. But actually, but that's kind of what you're doing, Michael. I mean, you're on this road, this journey of what's inside of you. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. How about the gum chewing? That's a big hit. Well, we know that's a big hit. Well, we know that's It's just not a good thing to do as an actor. It's very disconcerted. But as a director,

you get you gum. Why am I back? Why are you back? You're back because I love talking to you. You're interesting. Well. You have history. Well.

You tell it how it is. Let me ask you a question. Sure. How is it, all bullshit aside, that so many people love doing your podcast? Because as you know, the world needs another fucking podcast. I know. But mind you, I started.

this podcast before the whole onslaught. Pre-smartless? Pre-smartless. You know, I always love, too, when I've had a show and I'm doing what I do and trying to build an audience. And then a new show comes along with much bigger actors. And it just, you know, it's huge. Yeah, but the people you get are, you're there.

You used to. No, no. You used to get only genre people like us. And you know. And then you expanded and people came back to you. And there must be a secret. You know, there's some, there's a couple. people that I want that I've been kind of pushing and they're like I'll do it I'll do it just you know

and then it's been six months and you got to stay with it but is it your reputation to people look at the show is it friends of friends because I remember doing your show and I was I wasn't reluctant because I loved you and everything but you said come to the house and then I came to the house it became a magical thing because I lived across the street yes and then Brent said what's it like with the rose mom I said he's fucking great he's you know and then you got Brent yeah and you got Gates. And you've got Gates. Yeah. But it's, um, it must be the, uh, the underbelly, the talk. It's like checking on an actor or a director or DP when the guy writes you, well, you worked with Rosemind. Was he, you know, you know, maybe it's a little reputation. Maybe it's, you know,

okay, he's worked. He's not just some random person who wants to interview me that I don't know, that, you know, there's a familiarity. There's, and some people like to do it. I mean, some people like to do it. Pearlman's doing our first batch. I just did Prolman. Yeah, I know. He's so funny. He's fearless too. Dropping names, by the way, dropping names. And other things? And other things. The Brent and Johnny show. Who's saying the theme song to your podcast?

That's our... Is that a secret? I think it's going to be us singing it. On the teaser, it's some... I had a... AI? Who knows? I had a charity lunch with this guy named Eric. That's a lie. And he said, what do you want to do?

Brent and I were kicking around this idea for years that we would first of all we did what they called the breakfast with Brent Johnny remember FedCon which we always go to in Bond or whatever it is we would do a breakfast and I remember one breakfast at Truco was there and Truco came and had breakfast with us and they they built signs and we had guests you know so we did a sit down as our panel at FedCon for a couple years at a row I'm getting your theme song on here yeah the Brent and Johnny breakfast business we wanted to turn into a wish fulfillment thing. Did we talk about this before? I don't think so. Spiner and I were going to volunteer our services to some fans or Trekkies or families of like we

had take their kids to soccer practice while they could do something or we'd help them in the library or we would if they needed to anything. Sorry. Here we does. Go ahead and you play it. Very old school. Maybe three or four. I got to do this. I got a bigger theme song. Dropping name. And Johnny shot.

Right? It's really creative. Who wrote the song? Eric. Eric wrote the song. Sure Brent's not singing it. If not us together. Brent's a real singer, as you know.

Yes. Yeah. So I think Brent. I think you should both sing it. Yeah, we probably both should sing it. Yeah, it's kind of like Fraser. Yeah, right? Yeah, it is.

It's got that little bounce to it. But him singing his theme song. Isn't that what he did at the end of a... Did he sing that? Yeah. And Frazier? He sang the song? I believe he sang it every different...

Look that up to see if, what's his name? Who's Frazier again? Oh, God. I can't remember. Can you? Kelsey Grammer. Who's Fraser? No, no, no.

I just was like, who played Frazier? remember his name. I didn't have him on the show. I haven't, but I did a pilot for him as a, as a favor. It didn't go, but I did, I did that. And I knew him. And we were really cool. We vacationed somewhere. We, we hung out on this, uh, in Puerto Rico or something. It was like the Christopher Reef Foundation or something. And, uh, he was, he was awesome. So I'd love to get him on the podcast. He did a convention that we spend, that we spend a lot of our time doing. And at this convention, the, uh, he was awesome. The, uh, the promoters, I guess, brought him hundreds and hundreds of things to sign that he didn't know he had to have to sign because they have to pay his fee. So we saw him in the airport lounge on the way home. And he said, Franks, how many of these do you do? I said, I do a lot of them. He said, did they make you sign a couple?

I said, first of all, Kelsey, I don't have the guarantee you do. He said, yeah, but that, do you have to signs? I said, yeah, you sign stuff all day. He said, I said, I'm done. That was it for him? One and done. Wow. Well, no, we'll see.

I mean, I wonder what his guarantee is because, as you know, these cons are niche, right? A lot of times, it's genre-based. And are you finding that the con is not what it was once was? For me, I think it's pretty good, but I mean. Does this help? This must help you. I think it helps and the guests and things and other things that I've done. But it's not all Superman with you.

It just depends. Some cons you're like, just Superman with you. No, but it. It's amazing how it could be great. And then you're like, where was everybody? And isn't the town? It's a town to town thing too, I think. Yeah, it's city dependent.

It's like, you know, if you do Chicago, you know, you're going to probably do okay. Well, the little, I'm not the little city, but Charlotte, Columbus. Yeah. Savannah. Yeah. Huntsville. Albuquerque. Albuquerque.

But San Francisco, no. Oh, great, right? I got San Francisco on the New York. No. New York City Comic-Con? Not unless you're something new. Oh, great. I've never done it, so we're doing it as a cast. The old cast?

The old Smallville cast. You know my connection to him. Who? Your Papa. John Glover. My favorite. Terrible father, but a great actor. He was a star of the first play I did when I was in college.

I've told you all that shit before. We're going to repeat stuff. I don't want to do that. No, but Glover, do you have you talked to him a long time? I see him at the cons. And I remind him of what a huge influence he was on me. Because I think his memory isn't, what it was.

Whose is? Yeah. Look at us fighting to find Kelsey Grammer's name. Yeah. And I love Kelsey. I don't know. Why did you do this podcast? What was the thought?

Were you thinking, A, you know, we'll have some fun. We'll make some money. B, we'll have some fun. Are you talking about the Brent and Johnny show? Yeah. Or C, I want to, let's do it for the fans. I'll love it. Or D, all the above.

No. B. B, because we do a lot of panels together. And we finish each other sentences, and I tee up his bullshit. You're like twins. Impersonations where he does Patrick, and then he does Patrick talking to Seria McAllen and, you know. Yeah.

So we, and the promo for our podcast, which you just so kindly play. But the aftermath of that, the tease, we make it very clear. It's not a Star Trek. Are you checking out the train? I'm just checking to see and make sure the microphone. Move it a little to your right. Copy you. Right there.

Perfect. It was good anyway. It's all good. But go ahead. No, I'm nervous. Don't be nervous. That's your secret. What?

It's not, you don't get nervous in here. Or I don't. And I can run anxious, but I, yeah, it's your vi, your chi, I think helps. You think? Because, you know. Didn't Katie say that? Yeah, I think for me, it's just like. Katie Sackoff, for those of them.

Katie Sack off, who I love. But, no, she did. All she did was Hock me about wanting to be on Star Trek. She said, I've got the other two frantzes or I really want to be on Star Trek. I'm going to get out of my sauna and put on my space suit. She's got the wildest Instagram. Yeah, right. She does.

She just goes for it. She's fun. I do love that about her. Do you do a lot on Instagram? I don't do enough. I'm going to start now. Jeannie has somebody who does it for her because she has, what's that? My wife, Jeannie Frances, has.

Do you not think I know who your wife is? I'm doing this for the audience. Laura from General Hospital. I had the biggest effing crush and I probably still do. I mean, Laura, was that song? Think of Laura. Laugh, don't cry. Christopher Cross?

Was that because of one would think? I, for some reason, was so out of touch that when I, I met her on a show called Bear Essence that she was a star of after the big Luke and Laura wedding. That didn't go well. And she was too young for me. Then I did North and South with her and fell in love with her.

And I had no idea that she was an icon. I was like number 37 on the call. She won't an Emmy, didn't she? Yeah, she's got, she's got Emmys. She's got Emmys. But we had a cast, Patrick Swayze and Kirstie Alley was like, those are the two leaders of the rat pack. And we were on location for a year. And Kirstie said to me, no, you really should.

And it's Jeannie Frances. I think she, I said, no way. She's 10 years younger, too. She's 10 years younger than me. So how old was she then? Then she was 23 and I was 33. Okay, that's cool. 40 years we got together.

Because you started with 37 years of marriage. Three of dating. Yeah. How's that? And 40 years. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. I love Better Help. Boy, they have changed lives.

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Find support in therapy. Sign up and get 10% off at BetterHelp.com slash inside. That's BetterHELP.com slash inside. What band do you think you are most influenced by? I listened to Two Tracks off of your new album. Do you like it? I did like it. But it's not my general vibe.

Right. Is it R-E-M? Is it-I-M? but I like Chicago. I liked... But there's a... I like 90s and 80s new wave. That's what it is.

Yeah. There's a new wave influence. That's what the rhythm, the rhythm section sound. What do you play? The band Sunspin, by the way. I play guitar, rhythm, guitar, and I sing and write the songs.

Oh, you write the songs? I write the songs that make the young girls cry. Old man sing. Oh, man sing, yes. You know, I do. I write all the lyrics and stuff. And Rob's, we work together. He's my guitarist.

He's in he brings... so much to it that you wouldn't need. It's like I bring 50 and he brings his 50. It's, it's a team. It's a two of us and then we hire a drummer, bassist, uh, in a studio and we record the album. Do you ever play live? I've played live before, but it's been a while. Wow, what an awkward answer that was. Why? Because I saw you think about it. Well, I've played live for the band that we were in before that. We play live in these things called stage it's where my band's been we perform live for 50 minutes in front of an audience online. And we do that.

Is that live? It is because you're playing live. You mess up. You can't start over. It's live. Stage it. I heard the word. I know you play.

Bullshit. I don't play well enough to play live. You used to? I used to play loud. Didn't you play with fish? Yeah, but it was a disaster. I've told you that's... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was an absolute disaster. And it was because of across the street. Paul Fox, the late great Paul Fox, May he read in peace, rest in peace, was the producer of Hoist. I loved Hoist. And Jacob Dillon. Wasn't it with the, with horse on the front?

Yeah. I got a gold album. He gave me a cold record. Oh, wow. What about with the band? The band, John Fishman, the drummer, lived in our next town to where we lived in Maine,

and took over the local bar? No, a general store. Wow. Very small world. That is a small room. He bought a farm that a famous painter had that Jeannie also wanted to get, but Fish had already got. Then we went to visit the farm.

And my son, who was the little five or six year old, fish let him play his drums. Come on. My friend Kent would be dying right now. That's exactly right. He's seen fish thousands of times. He, the reason he probably doesn't have. The same thing. Fish fans are like.

Fishheads. Yeah. Is it fish heads? Fish heads? Deadheads. Yeah. So back to to Jeannie really quickly. What honestly.

keeps you guys together because you can't say it's all you know roses and everything's perfect all the time. Oh, it's not. I think what's happened is that we have found as we've, I mean, we've been together a long time. Yeah. And we have two kids and two kids are now both really launched. My son's married. His wife's in medical school. He's running this great salmon fly project, which I'll plug, which is his nonprofit to save the rivers. My daughter's getting married. She's in this program at University of Texas called the Mishner Center for Writers. hired 12 writers, two playwrights, two novelists. Maybe you'll direct something she writes. One would hope. That's my dream. Well, you'll make it happen. Exactly. So, and Jeannie still works, even though she threatens to leave.

Right. She has a great gig. Threats to leave the business, not you. No. That's happened too, but she's left you? No, no, I've been, I've been kicked out, but I always get back in. You've been kicked out of the house? Of course. For how long? Long enough to hurt. A big enough fight to say, get out yeah and you leave oh i leave and you think some time away helps yeah what's happened now is in our 40th year is that we know we're going to be together forever so the and the bumps are like so short and the forgiveness comes so fast there's no fuck you's you're an asshole no no no none of that that's past that's so over egos have been right diminished now we have a uh and we're really blessed We both have jobs, you know?

In this industry, in this time? It's a very weird. I'm on a great gig now. Yeah, tell me about that. This is called Stewart Fails to Save the Universe. Stewart fails to save the universe. It's a spin off a Big Bang. What?

Chuck Lorry, Bill Prady, Zach Penn. But the four people who are further down the call sheet are the regulars. Stewart, Sussman, Brian, who plays. the physicist and the great John Ross Bowie. And you're directing? Quipke. He played Quipke. You know Quipke.

He does that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Lauren Lumpkus, who's spectacular. It's a multi-cam? No. It's single camera, half-hour comedy. I like that more. 20 minutes from the house.

And you're directing or acting? Directing a couple episodes. Just going back to do some. You've already done some. I'm done. And I'm hoping to show it's picked up and become my new gig. It's. directed the pilot. No, no, I didn't. Because that's more money if you do forever. Kyle Nemencheck.

But you really like this show, I could tell. It's such, well, first of all, everybody's so grateful to be working in L.A. Yes. The crew, for example, I went to visit to set before I started to shoot and I recognized one of the grips who'd been a key grip on a show that I'd like director. Hey, how are you doing? He said, great. I said, what are you doing? He said, I'm gripping on this show. She really said, yeah. Our friend is his key grip. He said, the entire department is all key grips. And he talked to the gaffroom. What? What? are you doing? He said, oh, you got, that every electrician is a gaffer because there was no work, as you know. So you got to learn other trades? No. You got to, you got to, if you want a job in town, you get to hire whoever you want. So you can get six gaffers who know what the fuck they're doing as opposed to one gaffer, one best boy, and then people who

would lessen. So the show goes like this, boom, boom, boom, fast, shoot, oh, that's a dream. So no 12-hour days. They don't do 12-hour days. 10 or 11. You have a 7 a.m. call on Monday and a 7 a.m. call on Friday. No matter what. No, and the pit does the same thing. Have you had to know what?

Noah on? No, I'd love you know him? Who's a dear friend? We did librarians together. Could you get them on the podcast? I love that show. Let him get on my fucking podcast first. All right.

Am I right? Well, that's what's going to happen now. You get me all excited. I didn't, I didn't say, no, I can't deliver you my friends except Brent. Give me Brent. I'm sure you know other people you can get me. What about my needs? I'm just getting off the ground.

I will get you whatever you want. I will make an email or a text to anybody you want, whether they do it or not, but I will give them my blessing and say, this guy is a genius. Come on. I mean, a genius. Brent. Yeah, exactly. Quickly, why did you do the podcast?

You didn't really finish that. Because we thought it would be fun. That's it. Well, it replaced this wishful fulfillment dream that we had. We were going to do something where we were going to go out to. Omaha and take their kids to the library while they did something that they needed to do. And then it turns out with all the people wanted us for us to come and help plant their gardens or to clean up their pipes or you know.

But it never got off the ground. There were a couple of sponsors who were going to, I think there was not. Sounds like more work. Travel, work. Well, the part of it was going to be like, is it American Pickers, Pickers? Yeah. Two guys in the truck, they talk about it other way over. I think it's American Pickers, yeah.

Yeah. It was going to be a little bit of that vibe with Brent and I kibitzing each other. Right. So the kibitzing has now become a podcast. Or kibitzing. And so it's celebrity encounters. So you like to talk about, oh, I met this celebrity and this was my experience. This is my absurdity of all.

It started as it had a dreadful title. It was Starstruck Legends. So it was going to be people talking about somebody that they had met who they had worked with. I like Starstruck. Just Starstruck. We did too, but I was taken. And also, I think dropping names suggest a little more, a little sillier. I like it.

I like it. You know, I'm going to give you some other things. I'm going to give you something you should do every episode. Whenever you drop a name, I do this. Drop a name. You're like, oh, so I remember the time and keep whatever it is, like little ping pong balls or whatever it is. And then when you say a name, you go, oh, yeah, Jack Nicholson. I met.

Oh, name drop. Yeah. There should be a sound with it. Yep. name drop or you just do this and they put a sound in the uh perfect ping that's a good call i'm telling you it adds a little bit no socks today yeah i got socks okay you call those socks you peds peds they're called peds oh small socks or pads have you have you have you are you do you wear ankle socks no you are the long socks old school got bad ankles what does that matter with

socks socks socks cover bad ankles i don't believe that where have we gone um how far how can we How are you doing with life, stress, anxiety, depression? Do you get any of that stuff? We've talked about it a little, a long time ago. But do you get, do you get anxious? Do you get anxiety? Of course I do. I have a couple of routines. Okay. Let me hear them. I do a gratefulness. Gratitudes in the morning before I get out of bed with about Jeannie and the kids and their spouses and the animals and the people who I love and the people. So I lie there and I say they're named in my head and I go through it and if somebody's not well i'd do a little extra sort of side prayer or whatever it's called yeah i'd do that every morning and when i'm working more than when i'm at home i meditate at lunch

you do i tell you this routine every time every lunch every lunch how long it serves two purposes for as long as it is okay if it's an hour i'll get in there quick and i'll start my uh i do an old tm with some harmonia and breathing right um until i'm down or if it turns turns into a nap. Either way, you look for you the third eye. You know what TM is. Yeah. So I do that and not only does it help me start fresh in the afternoon.

Centers you. Centers me unload some of the morning. It used to serve two other purposes that, not so much now, but in the old days, as you may remember, people would just pig out at lunch. And then you get tired. Get a coma. Meat coma at three or four. Yeah. So I took it as my responsibility as it.

director to get them on my back at three or four o'clock and drive it until the coma let's go and what it really does is the word gets out even when i go in a new show i tell him during prep that i meditated lunch no lunch meetings nobody can call well no we'll get freaks we'll get for a lunch meeting oh no no freaks is meditating no he needs this to you know nay napping freaks is gone he's gone for an hour he's off he's off limits for an hour you ever Or a half hour after the last guy threw the meal line. Yeah, exactly. Do you ever deal with actors that are difficult?

Do I ever deal with them? How do you deal with them? Patience. I give them their as wide a birth as possible. Have you ever hated someone you're talking to and giving direction? Like, I really don't like this person. Hates a little strong. I've seen people behave badly to other people.

Do you address it? No. You don't? No. I not only if it's in front of me. I have unloaded on people and I've said literally this, we don't behave that way on this show. And every,

because I'm so non-antagonistic. When I said this in a meeting, everybody went. I said, we don't treat each other that way. And this was on Picard, which I felt as a member of the family on it. And it was very powerful. Because I thought about it. They were mistreating my first.

Because you don't flip out. When you say something, people listen. You're like, El Ron Hubbard. I try really not to flip out. But I'm talking about seeing people mistreat PA's or some of a costume department or, you know. Yeah. And then come up and lodge brother me.

Hey, brother, good to see it today. I thought. No. I don't want to call you on it because I got to spend the next 12 hours with you. Yeah. You know. Yeah. By the way, not El Ron Hubbard.

I was thinking of Eli Whitney or not Eli Whitney. That was it. Cotton Jim. It was the one who said when Eli so-and-so talks, people listen. It was the old commercial. That was a commercial for. When so-and-so talks. Thank God you're here with the Google machine.

Listen, I don't know how you'd do that. How about you? What, an actor? Yeah, confrontational. Have you ever had to direct an actor you hated? No, I've had actors. It's a strong word, isn't it? Well, when I was during it is.

I don't hate them at all. But you just used the word hate. I know. I just wanted to see if you hated someone. For me, for me. For me, I want... I think it's a horrible word. Yeah, it's a bad word.

Loathe is better. Yeah, loathe. Loathe. Can't bear. But, you know, I had some, an instance where it wasn't even a, it was a supporting character and I don't think they were getting enough attention. And they were like, you were an actor or directing. Right.

And it was an independent film and it was just so much. And I had, we had to block shoot because it was raining and everything's supposed to be. It was just a mess. And it was like, it was the hardest day I've ever had. And I was just. I didn't even sit down for the day. Did you write this movie? Yeah.

And I'm sitting there. Wait, did you finance this movie? No. Okay. This person's like, well, I don't know what hand this is in. Michael, Michael, Michael, what hand do I have this? And I go, that is not my job. That is a script supervisor or you can talk to the first AD.

I've got a lot going on right now. And this is, by the way, built up because it was a pain in the ass throughout. Right. And like where the DP was like, I'm like, I walk on set. And he's trying to set up the shop. for me and I go, what's wrong? He goes, you can talk to this person. And I go, hey, what's the problem? I'm not putting my glasses down. Okay. You don't have to. It's like, yes, they said I have to because you could see a reflection or whatever. I go, well, we're not asking to put them all the way down.

Just barely. You won't even notice. Try just a hair, a hair. Just try it. How's that? Yeah, that's okay. Bradley, is that good? Yep. And I go, great. But problem solved. Everything built. Everything was just dramatic and where the leads were awesome. Well, I was one of them. Of course you were. That wasn't awesome, exactly. But I saw Patrick Storm off the set once when we were doing insurrection. And he was pissed about something, really, really pissed about something.

And he went and got into his dressing room. And Rick Berman, who's a friend and producer of the movie, said, what are you going to do? I said, I'm going to wait for him to cool off. And then I'll go knocking his door. and he'll come back out and he said really i said yeah patrick and i've been working together for 35 years and he did of course how long was he gone 10 minutes not even did he come back on he's fine he's fine yeah we know each other very what pisses him off what would you say it depends incompetence oh nobody likes it he doesn't like it not don't like it you don't like it no um

and i am it well is it frustration is it um if something has gone wrong. You know, also we try desperately to compartmentalize and sometimes we're very successful and sometimes we're not. But I've had, and I say with great pride, I've probably done more scenes with Patrick Stewart than anybody I've ever worked with and vice versa.

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and four movies so him i know and um to go back to my beautiful and talented wife who has been a great help to me in my career. She said when we were doing, she was watching First Contact. And it was a great scene with Jimmy Cromwell and Marina where they're getting drunk on tequila. Yeah. Wow, fabulous scene.

And I was kind of the pivot. I was the, uh, watching the tennis game. And I didn't have my space suit on. I had like a cool leather jacket on. Jeannie said, you looked so relaxed. And that scene was, you were so good and so present. I said I was exhausted, right? It was like a break from directing.

And I had these two masters going at it. And I just happened to be in the scene sitting down. It was great. She said, you were so relaxed. It was great. Jesus. Have you ever been on set acting with someone and they are so good that you forget your lines? Well, acting with Patrick is like this.

The analogy, people talk about playing tennis with somebody who's better than you. It certainly made me a better actor. Acting with Marina. Marina is a wonderful acting partner. I mean, has she been on your show? No. She's great. She's a wild guest. Right down. She will speak her mind like Perlman. Really? Oh, yeah. But she's so there and present and I get better when I work with her. What do you miss mostly about being on the set consistently with those actors that you worked with for so many years because it's not as common now right no we did the last season to picard together which was fabulous thanks to terry metallis it was uh an experience we hadn't worked together in 20 years he had taken us individually and talked about where we

thought our characters would be coming to move my mic too no where he thought our characters i was cross-eyed yeah would now be we pitched stories and all it And it was, it was kind of, uh, the season eight of next generation that we'd never really gotten to, right. But because, as I've said, a lot of people have said, on our show, I don't know, it's, I think it might have been true on your show too. We actually really did like each other. Is everybody in your show like each other?

Um, okay. Yeah. I got the answer. No, no, no. I got the answer. No, no. That's not true. I got the answer.

You know what it is? We all liked each other. We all got a long. We never fought. No love. But the age difference, the age gap was big. And I swear to God, this is true. Post-Smalville, we are closer than we've ever been.

We all, when we do cons, we all respect each other. You all go out to dinner on Saturday and get the seafood tower? We have. We have, not that. I'm allergic to most seafood. But we do go out. There's such a buzzkill. I know.

I know. It was a metaphor. I'm a shellfish. allergy here. No, it really is a beautiful thing how we've gotten closer over the years. We weren't, I'd say super close. We didn't hang out a ton on set. Tom was working constantly. I was working, you know, it was just different, you know, and now we all really appreciated each other more than we ever did. But you guys still appreciate each other. Who would you, who do you call besides Brent just to say, hey, what's up? What's going on? Hey, I did this today.

I was thinking of you. Lavar. Lovar. Dorn. Yep. Marina. Dorn was on. On here? Yeah. How do you do?

It's great. He's fabulous. He's fabulous. You know, he just did a movie. What do he do? He wrote, that's why I asked you if you financed it. He wrote, directed and starred in a movie, a sci-fi kind of Kubrick-esque movie, Kubrickian movie. Yeah.

With Michelle Hurd and Marina Surtees. And he, they shot in London. How is it? I haven't seen it yet. The script was great. It's, you know, I have such respect for people that. actually do it. He does. He puts his fucking money where his mouth. I don't care. He financed it and found the DP and found the composer and found the editor. Do you know how rare it is to get something made?

Just to get something made. So if you watch something, I'm trying to do this now where I watch a lot of bad movies. But at least when it's ended, I, the movie ended, I think, you know what, good for them. Right. You know, this director, if it's a new director or whatever, he actually got a movie made. He did it. You know, and there's some, you know, because it is very difficult. It's hard to make a movie, let alone a good movie, a successful movie. There's all these levels. So where do you give yourself credit? Where do you say, this is good enough for me?

When is it good enough for you, Jonathan? I'm reading or rereading the Cameron Crow interviews with Billy Wilder, which is, have you seen that book? No, I heard about it. It is spectacular. I brought it home from Maine. I was reading it in Maine. and it's, I don't know,

it has been eye-opening. But in the beginning of the book, Crow asks him a question, and he answers it like this. Well, it's, well, directing a film, it's not, it's not like the crap of directing a television show or something like that. This is on page two.

So I thought, what an interesting take he had on TV. And now TV is the bomb. TV is where the work is. TV is where the great writers are. TV is, So it's harder than ever to make a movie. Yeah. And I went to movie jail, as you know, when I did Thunderbirds.

So that's an actor who I wasn't acting with, but I was intimidated by before he came and became such a mensch with Sir Ben Kingsley. Ben Kingsley. Sir Ben Kingsley. Yeah. Who was astounding. Astounding. And he did this movie. He played the villain.

Right. Because his son was a fan of Thunderbirds, which was the animated English good. I remember, yeah. And we shot at Pinewood in London. And Patrick and others had said, he eats directors for breakfast break. Oh, shit. Oh, God.

Day one shows up early in costume, comes to the set, hangs out on the set, knows virtually everybody on the crew. What? Because he's been, you know, he's Ben Kingsley, and he's shot with all these guys.

And the character's name was the hood. And he, do a take and then I'd call print and he said Jonathan, now that you've got one that you like Do you mind if I'd I thought you're you know, you're Gandhi, you're sexy beast. Do what you want? Yeah.

He was so humble about it. Would it be okay if I just did? I thought, what a privilege. How was the next take? They were all different and specific, you know. There is a reason he is who he is. He's one of them. We travel for all kinds of reasons.

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You're a crier. Oh, yeah. You're a John crier. My wife thinks I'd cry way too easy. I wish I'd cry. Maybe it's the Lexa Pro. Good be. I mean, I can cry. I can, you know, I cry, but it has to really hit me. Sometimes it hits me hard. But do you ever cry while watching yourself? I know it sounds funny. But watching something you're in and it's just so powerful to you and you're so proud of it that you get emotional. Like you're like, I...

I don't... Everybody was great, me included. It worked and I was moved. Somehow they got me. I don't think so. No. I cry at other... I cry at movies that I'm not in, obviously, in TV.

I cry when I'm emotionally moved by something that happened or I'm vulnerable to it. Right. But I'm a, I'm a, I'm a crier. What do you cry? What's the last thing you cried at? A note that I got, that we got from our daughter yesterday, the invitation to their wedding, which is in this coming July. They hand wrote the invitations.

And what she wrote to me and Jeannie about the kind of parents we were and the kind of home we had. provided it. I could see you get emotional now. It was beautiful. Well, she's a writer. I love it. But so what? It just was like,

it meant so much to you. Yeah. Do you write letters to them? I wish. No. Emails. You write emails. I write emails.

I send them goofy things that they probably roll their eyes at. My grandfather used to always write letters to me. Before he passed, I still, I kept them. And he would say things like, we're so proud of you.

And even with your success, you know, we've always been there. And it's uncons. Conditional, Mike, whatever you do, we will, we believe in you and we're so proud of you. And we just want your happiness. And, you know, whenever I tried to buy them things or do them, they say, absolutely not. We don't want your money.

We don't want, we don't need it. We want you to be happy. You know, it was something that I just, it was the only time that I ever felt that because, you know, my mother was just like, gimme, give me, gimme, gimme, you know, just like, but this was, it was real. They, they kept me alive, I would say. I'd say my grandparents really kept me alive. What a great story. Yeah. Did you keep the letters?

You must have. Oh, yeah. My dad used to write me letters when I was in college and New York and stuff. That's so meaningful. I kept all of them. Yeah. He typed. When did he pass?

25, 20 years ago, 23 years ago. Do you still think about him? Of course. I just did. Yeah. Thanks. When you were talking about your grandfather, I was thinking about Jim Franks. We talked about him at length last time we did it.

Yeah. Yeah. He was one of the reasons. I feel so blessed to do this because he had no qualms about me being an actor. As we know, some people think, when are you going to get a regular job? When are you going to get a straight job? When you get something you can do for make a living at? I never heard of it.

It was like, great, do it. Yeah, if you like it, do it or try to do it. And he got to see a lot of your success. Yeah. A lot? Yeah. And what was that like for him? Did he get emotional?

Secretly. How do you know? Because I can see him pretty deep. You know that he... Yeah, he was very proud. you know what he just said me one time which I think you'll appreciate I said him I must have sent him the script

of first contact and he said which he didn't know is so he didn't know I would take it this way he said I had no idea that in a movie script so many of the ideas and so many of the things that happen are written out in the stage direction like he thought the director must have done all that

it's like Vince Gilligan you talk about breaking bad with anybody. He said everything in that show is in the script. All parenthetical. All in there. Did you go through Pluribus? I watched it.

I really liked it. It got better and better, I thought. Ray is so good. Ray C-Lorn. She's coming on. You have A-list. Well, I got it before the show hit, and we have a mutual,

the producer of, one of the producers of her show is a producer of the show that I'm trying to make. And we met at this party, and we talked. And she goes, yeah, I'll do it. So it's just. You think she will? Oh yeah, she's been texting me that she's going to do it. Because you know I'm getting Noah.

Then yeah, we'll make this happen. We'll make this happen. I wrote to him. I said, he said absolutely anytime, anywhere. I said, really, what's your schedule? He said, well, I'm a little busy. I bet you're a little busy. They swept over at the Critics Choice Awards.

And rightfully so. What a great show. You know what? I like the Murdox. Did you watch that? I don't. I need a new show. The Murdox series.

Do you know the Murdox? Do you know the Murdox? Do you know the history? It's like this rich family in the South that got away with murder literally and um jason what's the actor's name it's been in tons of stuff look jason oh yeah wonderful is he is this guy yeah it's unbelievable how he transforms into this this guy and it's largely like his performance is worth watching the whole series his performance murdox yeah did you see presumed innocent jay gillenhall yes bill camp bill camp

Camp who's coming on your show. Well, I hope so. I'm trying to get him. I love Bill Camp. I think Bill Camp is one of the best actors out there. And you think the industry knows him, but nobody knows him. It's one of those guys where you're like, did you see that? Oh, yeah.

Oh, he was in that. He was great. And that. What? I mean, the Queen's Gambit. Yeah. Oh, I love that. What about Jesse Plemons?

Oh, great. Boy, boy. He's great. He stole civil. Civil War. Do you like heavier Jesse Plymouthins or really, really thin, Jesse? Heavy. I kind of do too. I mean, good for him,

but I liked, I liked. Fargo. Oh, man. Even Breaking Bad, one of the first things, like, that you really saw him in. Oh, are you almost done? No, no. You ever go back to your old high school? How long does this go on? An hour. It's not even an hour yet. Let me see how long.

Yeah, it's 45 minutes. You tired? No, I'm not fucking tired. Do you ever go back to your college, old college, or your high school and speak or talk to students? I have done. I went back to Penn State and did sort of whatever that is seminar. Yeah. Did you like it? I did.

I did. I liked it very much. Do they ask you back? No. No. They don't ask me back either. I went like once a year ago. I go to meetings with them all the time when they're in L.A., the alumni meetings.

And I kept saying, when I was there, this was in the 70s, there was no. crossover at all between the theater department and what they called the communications department in the Judd Film. I said, have you changed that yet? And they said, we've been talking about it. I said, this is 2025. Yeah. Talking about it. All the people in the film department need actors and all the people in the acting theater arts department need experience on camera. I did communications and acting as well. But they were separate. Exactly. Where did you go to school? Western Kentucky University, Boling Green, Kentucky, the Hilltoppers. It was a great acting program. Great. I learned so much. I did so many plays.

What happened to your accent? No accent? No. You know, I moved to New York when I was about eight to Indiana. And my accent for the most part is sort of right down the middle. It doesn't, you know, but I can turn it on when I go to Indiana or, you know, because I grew up in southern Indiana. You know, I start, you know, everybody starts talking. It's like, hey, Rose, what's going on? You're going to third street? Yeah, I might, I might do that. Yeah, I don't know, man. And it just kind of falls in. You start talking a little bit like that, you know, it's easy for me. And it's also easy for me to, turn up my New York accent because my whole family's from like the Bronx. Oh, really? So yeah, you know, my grandmother. She's like, I was in Long Island. The Pellegrinos live across the street. Anthony Pellegrino used to come over and he's like, you know, knocks on the door. He's got these two kids in a headlock. I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, these two assholes were jumping on your tersel. What do you want me to do with him? I go, what? I don't know. Let's go check out if anything's wrong, you know? It's like, yeah, if you fucks ever come by here again, I'm going to break you next, you understand? You know, but I... Is this a character you could

No, but Chicky Pellegrino. Her name was Chicky. This is good. Yeah, you like this? I could do it. Remember the last time I was with you, or maybe it was when we were at a con, you said you've backed off from the acting. You know. Have you changed your mind?

Have you had Will Whiten on this show? Yes, love him. He's been on twice. So have I. Yes, I know. Look, the acting thing. How many actors have you had on here twice? A dozen?

Maybe. How many actors have you had on three times? Very few. Well, you're going to come on again. Never? We're done today. No. The way this went?

You think you'll ever retire? Never. You? Yes. To do what? I don't know. You can answer your question, if it's the right project. Like there's been a couple things that I, listen, I don't, I'm not.

That's such a wanky answer. No, it isn't. No, it isn't. Because if you don't have to, you know, I'm blessed and I'm grateful. If it's the right project? Yes. Like I just auditioned for, put myself on tape for one of the biggest shows out there. there that's they're doing another season did you not get it i don't think so it's only it's been two a couple weeks

why would you think that you didn't get it i don't know that i didn't get i know that my agents were over the moon with my audition what do they know because they would have said doryan on tape on tape at your agent's office at your agent's office at your agent's office no at home and then they saw the tape and they said we'll submit this you're great in this yeah but they got the call oh that's not how it was they wanted they wanted to see me i thought your agents liked you i said of course your agents liked you Look, I don't know anything. All I know is that they are looking at this one person who's a way bigger star. And if that doesn't work out, maybe they'll look at it. And that's fine. Because I was happy with my audition, with my read. Isn't that enough? Yes. That's my point. Well, Spiner ever retire. One can only hope. But Brent's, Brent turns shit down. Yeah. What's wrong with that? Nothing. I don't get it. I say yes. Why does he say turn things down? That's a really good question. Is it fear or is it exhaustion?

I don't want to do it. I don't think he has much fear. He doesn't have much fear. And he's not exhausted. He's fit as a fiddle. I love him. He's such makes me laugh. He's so funny, but I have him doing it.

He's so smart. He's really smart. How old are you now? 73. I can't believe it. He's older than me. He is? Oh, yeah.

We're old. You're not old. I think old is when you hit mid-80s. Yeah, except look at Bill. Bill Shatner, for those listening. He's 96? 94, and still Compassmentis. Unbelievable.

You ever talk to him? Yeah, sure. You text him? Yes. What do you say? I text his people. Why don't you have him on the podcast? I don't do those things.

I haven't asked him yet. Ask him before. Because 94, I mean, he could live to 104, but I doubt he's going to do it at 103. But you think that he's, yeah, he would certainly have names to drop. I would love Dick Van Dyke. At 100. What a great celebration. Oh, man.

I haven't heard a bad thing about that guy. Were you a Superman fan growing up or Star Trek fan? Honestly. I told you the entire Christopher Reeve story. Yes, so Superman. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, did you really?

I didn't know Star Trek. You didn't know it. I was not a sci-fi genre guy. I was more of a... More of a... Drama. No drama. Comedy.

Yeah, we watched the Smothers Brothers. We watched Bonanza. He used to read John Updike and John Cheever. I bet you're a lot of. My Three Sons fan. I used to watch Leave it to Beaver. Oh, yeah. Can you name all the actors in it?

No, please. Tony Dow. Hugh Beaumont, Barbara Billingsley, Tony Dow, and Jerry Mathers as the Beaver. Yeah. Why do you have that stuff in your head? Because I grew up with it. I grew up with it.

I mean, all in the family was on all the time. How tragic is this story? It just breaks my heart. It's shocking. It broke the hearts of the entire industry. it seems and it resonated for so long. Think about this. Just not as a person, he's a great, a great person

but like how he was able to get success out of so many different genres. If you go Princess Bride to misery to when Harry met Sally you're like, to a few good men. To a few good men.

That is a guilt. You can't handle the truth. Oh. I had what's his name on telling me about. Jack Nicholson. No, I didn't have Nicholson, but I had Kevin Pollock, and he was great. His impressions, well, he came up to me and he started doing this whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I loved it.

Is there anything else you think left for William Riker? Wild Bill Riker? Wild Bill Riker. The Legacy series where Jerry Ryan was left in the captain's seat. And I imagine Riker would be an admiral by this point. I meant for you. Oh, for me? Yeah.

Not for the character? I mean, for you to play. He confused me. No. He served to confuse. So William Reiker's still alive. He's a fictional character. Yes.

Oh, he hasn't died yet. He's alive in the... It's not like Todd Staschwick on your show. No. Stashworth's great because his character did die, but could be brought back to star in the show that he was part of Picard season. He was great. He and Ed Spilliers who played Patrick's son. Wonderful additions to the family.

No, Riker's alive. You say you'll take any role. Would you take any role? I'm more interested in directing. You are. I'm better at directing than I am at acting. I got a project I want to plug before this time. Plug it right now.

Plug it. I'm doing a, or I'm hoping to do, an immersive. Hey, y'all. It's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if? Like, what if it doesn't hold up?

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Right. Because it's where it all started. Exactly. And it has music in it. Let it it be age of Aquarius and it will have a guy on stage leading the audience in song to sing along with the film it's not going to be 3d on huge huge screens sort of like the sphere like the sphere yeah you've been a sphere yeah it's great but the idea is so interesting to me and we're i had another meeting on it coming up that it just sounds like a brand new genre. Wow. We're going to do it at the shrine.

This is happening. This is what I believe it's happening. What's a call? It's called Planet Horizon. Planet Horizon, which is what they see from the space. Do you need a narrator? You do a nice thing. You have a nice low voice hornier.

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I'm going to watch the shit out of that. I want to be a guest. He will be a guest. Yeah, I have stories. Of course you do. You could drop names. Oh, yeah, I'll drop them. You drop names of all the people you've had on your podcast.

Drop, drop, drop. We talk about John Glover? Will I talk about him? Yeah. I love him. I do too. He's amazing. He's, you know, he leaves these messages that are so beautiful that I save them.

I save all of John's messages. Oh, it's John Glover. I'm giving you a message. I'm not good at emails. I just listen to you without. Turn the TV off. You're a genius, Michael. It was beautiful the way you two were talking together.

You're a great guy. Now, why do you save it? He's so, I love it. It's like my, it's like my dad's telling me he loves me. It definitely has something to do with that. There's, there's like a, I admire him, hearing that from him gives me warmth. And it's so sincere. So sincere. He is like that. He's just, he's a gentle, beautiful soul. He really is. And, uh, you know, he doesn't like getting older. He doesn't, I mean, who does? Nobody. But he doesn't like, you know, when he can't remember things. He's really, really hard on himself. It drives me nuts. Yeah. We both had a memory blip today. Yeah. And it happens. I have that. How old are you? Fifty three. I'll be 54. 20 years older than you. I can't believe it. It's like you're my older brother. Yeah. Bosses me around.

All right. This is called rapid fire with Jonathan. Oh, right. Shit talking with Jonathan Frakes. This is rapid fire. Hold on. Rapid answers. Hold on. Let me get some of that too.

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Steady. And Don G. Says, what's a fact you learned while working on Star Trek that you still remember today? The one thing I do wish had come from Star. I mean, we clearly got our phones and all that business. Wouldn't it be great if we could beam out and not ever get on a plane again and transport. Have you seen the article that the science exists now?

It didn't go into a black hole and hopefully time travel. I remember seeing a twilight zone, an old twilight zone, and he zaps this guy and then the guy is over there. And the guy goes, what happened? I disassembled you here and reassembled you there. And the guy looks at him, goes, that's ridiculous. It always made me laugh. I love Shatner on Twil-A.

Oh, my God. It's great. Or in the room, in the diner. Yeah. Don't you see? It says this. It was right. Oh, God, it was good.

Heather and Greg, what is your go-to flavor of chewing gum? You're always chewing gum. Mint. Mint. Pearmint or winter green. No fruity. Never. Don't like fruit.

I mean, I'll drink it. I'll drink it if I have. But I try to go green or blue on. that come. Raj, tell me about a time you felt vindicated. Vindicated by the architect. I find that sometimes I say to an actor, you know, if you don't, if you do that cross here, it's going to save us in half an hour. And they said, no, I won't do it. But I want, and then he insists on, or she insists on doing it this way and doing this way. And the great David Ajala, who was on Discovery, who I had door, you know who he is? Yeah. I said to him, because he was in the scene with me and we're all

sort of, I can't believe we're struggling with this one simple thing that would save us another setup. You know, it's like, yeah. And I said to him, sometimes experience is a burden. Which he texts me that whenever he's in a situation. It's a great line. It's a great line. It just came to me and us were together. I said, he said, I see what you're seeing. Yeah. It's a weird phenomenon. Sometimes, you know, we'd have guest stars on something and I, you know, they're like, I go, if you don't go there and turn around, yeah, we save an hour. Yep. At least. I paid actors to do it.

I take the cash out of my pocket. Here's a $100 bill. Here's a $100 bill. And I've seen actors take it. But I have, they said, no, no, I get it. Some actors take, and then they don't cross around to the other side of the table. Jessica B, what's a nice thing someone said that you still ride the confidence from? Your sets are joyful and safe.

Safe. Isn't that wonderful? I truly believe that. Other brother, Daryl, you've directed Bruce Campbell in a few episodes of TV. Campbell's going to do our show. Dude, he's done mine. He's going to do mine again in February. He'll be a two-time player.

It's like a Saturday Night Live twice a house. Yeah, you go mine and go to yours, or vice versa. He's such a pro. Any interesting stories with the two of you seems that there'd be an intriguing pairing. And we know that I'm friends with him too. Yeah. He's almost like an old-fashioned movie star actor.

You've seen him at the con, obviously. Oh, he dresses up in these blue suits or these. But when I did burn notice with him, if it was he and I for the day, we could knock that shit out in eight hours because we both knew how to work fast. We both knew. Pro, let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

Let's go. And then. What are you doing there? Jonathan? Yeah, are we done? You're ready? Are you ready or not? We're going to go? Let's do this. He played an absurd Santa Claus on an episode of leverage, and he was spectacular, and we've been trying to bring him back. I'm a fan.

I'm a huge fan. What do you think, you know, for me, this is a question. Is there a line or something you said that was so profound in Star Trek next generation, just something that you remember of the line, something that anything or any moment, I remember when Patrick said, the line must be drawn here. How was that? How many takes was that? As many as he wanted.

Does he like a lot of takes? No. Do you? No. Are you good on the first take or the third take? As an actor? Yeah. I'm good in the first take if I had a plan.

And then you know what direction I hate? I hope you don't do this. If you do, I apologize in advance. When you've got the set or you've got the scene, and then you say to the actor, well, just do one for you. The fuck do you think I've been doing here? I've been playing.

I'm prepared. I came in. I did the way that. Well, I will say this. I've worked with some comedians who are great at improv. Yeah. And I've said to them, hey, let's get this take.

And when I say we got it, then you guys go. Yeah. Oh, that's a whole different animal. That's a whole different animal. I really, we were able to do that once on, on Strange New Worlds, we had the guest stars from Lower Decks, which was the animated Star Trek. We had Tony Newsom and Jack Quaid.

And they came in, and Tony's big second city. So they started to ad lib. And I was with the writers, but Kat Lin and Bill Wiskoff. And we whispered to each other. What do you think? And I said, listen, I'm in. If you guys are in, they said, we're in.

And then, because never on Star Trek, are you allowed to ad lib anything? So Anson had lived and Rebecca had lived and it worked. It was spectacular. But that was the only episode ever and it was back to the. What was the episode called? It's called those old scientists. And you improvised.

Yeah. Oh, what a joy. What a joy, just a freedom, right? Are you a good improv guy? I like to think so. Yeah. But it feels like you are. Maybe that's one of the one of your superpowers on why this genre is.

I don't know. You know what it is? This forces me to listen. I'm not always the best listener without these headphones. And I'm, and I'm, Is that why you made me listen to wear them? Well,

I like hearing your voice resonate in my head and it kind of, I'm focused with you. Like, there's nothing else in the room. I just want to hear your stories. I want to hear what you have to say. I want to, I react.

That's why you make people come to your house. Because it's certainly not for the coffee. Did you not like the coffee? I like the coffee, but I only got half a cup. I'm going to give you a prize. I'm going to give you an inside of you Tumblr. I know.

Coffee Tumblr. I gave it to you last time. Believe me, I know. I'm going to give you one, and I'm going to give you one for Jeannie. Okay. I want an autograph from Jeannie. Does she have any Laura pictures?

What do you think? She probably does. It was very tough when Tony died. She was sort of a spokesperson for the team. Yeah. And she wrote a beautiful eulogy that they put out on social. And then she did Good Morning America and spoke very, very eloquently about him and about her relationship.

And that was a huge thing. Yeah. 30 million viewers of that wedding. It was the highest number of viewers of any episode of daytime. That's crazy. It's 30 million viewers. No one will ever get that many. When you were kicked out, did you call back and say, can I come home now?

Yeah. It was always that. Oh, yeah. And she was always like, not yet or yes. Yes. Yeah. Then you made love. Yeah.

She was nice. This was years ago. So you haven't been kicked out a long time. This is always a treat. I hate saying goodbye. I don't want to say au revoir. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to give you my fart book that I wrote.

Oh, good. A talented farter? Yeah, that's a talented farder. And the more you eat. The musical fruit. It's beautiful. I wrote it. And that's good.

You can give it to whoever is a gift. It's beautiful illustrations. Beans, beans and musical fruit. The more you eat, the more you eat. The more you do. The more you do. The more you eat your beans in every meal. It's really cute.

is this kid his only gift is the only thing he'd do is make his fart sound like things you hear every day. Do you know people who can fart the national anthem? Yeah, I don't want to know those people. You could be on the show, he could give him a separate mic. I can't do that. But I do fart, I do. Who doesn't? Who doesn't? It's healthy to fart. Yeah. Is your

wife appreciate it when you fart? Does she laugh? No, she rolls her eyes, but... Ooh, let me get a picture of that. I know what's kind of plug you need? I don't need a plug, but it's nice. Actually, it is a plug. I see a plug when I know one. I mean, it's a plug one. I know a plug when I see one.

Dropping names. And other things. And other things. The Brent and Johnny Schuster and Johnny. The freaks. Well, I know your name. I'm just saying that I saw a clip. I just feel comfortable when I'm watching it.

I'm like, I want to see what they have to say. I'm so ready. I just love it even when like you were like, well, you already said it. Let's do it again. We'll say this at the same time. And then you'll say that and then you'll say that. you know that was actually a really good idea oh thanks yeah it's just that you guys are like two kids it's a little like this it is it is uh we'll have fun and then the thing that you're uh planet horizon

planet horizon steward fails to save the universe and returning to built more hallmark built more christmas as a magical time traveling character that i played a couple years ago in a christmas movie do you have a beard in it a beard yeah no Just my usual. Usual scruff. When's the last time you had a big beard? A big one? Yeah.

A long time. You don't like it? No, I like this is long for me. It's good because you have kind of like you're not fully gray. You're like a mix. What's it called salt and pepper? My beard's all white. But your hair.

Yeah. But that's a wig. No, it's not. No. You have good hair. I'm surprised. And I know who I look like? Who?

My father. Really? Exactly like that. Well, he's a handsome guy, isn't he? Clearly. Yeah, you got the girls when you were, you know, single. I mean, that was 33 when you were 33. Before.

No, it was before I was 33. Before you were 33. Sometimes you have to help me along with these things. I'm here for you. I love you. Thank you for being here. The pleasure is mine. When you're a mid-sized business, you need every competitive advantage you can get.

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