Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - JONATHAN FRAKES: Star Trek Reunion, New Season of Picard, Recording with Phish & Director Pain Points

Episode Date: February 14, 2023

Jonathan Frakes (Star Trek: The Next Generation, Picard) joins us this week to take us where no guest has gone before… sharing his experience over three decades in the Star Trek franchise and teasing a special reunion during this new season of Picard. Jonathan talks about his experience playing Riker, working with the one and only Patrick Stewart, and the cast’s reaction to learning about Wil Wheaton’s situation off set. We also talk about handling loss, his credit with Phish, and some hilarious stories from his late great father. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🧠Qualia Mind: https://neurohacker.com/iou 🟠 Discover: https://discvr.co/3Cnb1V8 🧼 Dove Men Plus Care __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It helps the podcast, all that jazz. This next guest is someone I just adore. You know, I had this, I was at a con and I met him. And then he was giving me a massage because I had a big knot knit. You know this guy from so much. He's, he's a great director. He's a great actor.

It was just fun. He was very relaxed in the studio. He came in here and just put his feet up and just kind of went along. You know, he just is who he is. And I love that. I had so much fun with him, you know, from Star Trek. and the movies and the, you know, he's directing the episodes. He's working on the new Picard.

They've got a reunion thing coming up and you've got to check that out. That's why we're airing this because it's about to happen. So you want to listen to this and find out the inside scoop on a lot of these actors. But, yeah, without further ado, let's just do it. Let's get inside of Jonathan Frakes. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience.

Can I take my shoes off? Yeah. You can take your shoes off. What about my pants? You know, well, you know, I don't mind. But you know what's funny is Kevin Nealon once, he just lied down. And it was like, you know, he just put his hands behind his back. Do you listen to Smartless?

I've listened to an episode or two. It's great. They just did Dana Carvey yesterday. And I walked the dog listening to it to him. I was roaring in the street. People looked at me like I was insane. Really? Carvey is, he was on fire.

He did all of his people. All of his impressions? He did church lady to George Bush and he did himself interviewing different characters that he does. It was really brilliant. You know what's funny is when I was a kid, my parents, I was, they always made me babysit my brother. I never, I never went to a high school dance. I never left the house. They just kept me trapped in the house.

That's why you got me here. Yeah, look around you. You're comfortable like this. Look away. um and i remember i would watch s andl and i had nothing better to do so i'd memorize all the sketches and the voices and they'd come home and i'd go which era is this this is the 80s so it was like um it was the same thing so it's like hello again it's the church lady and this church chat well that's the kevin neelan era too no kevin neelan era so that's what i really grew up with and then into the samler phase

obviously but um yeah i but i always would do impressions and stuff just to get a attention and get people to go oh you know and that's that's kind of like you like you like attention don't you i'm a bit of attention horror yeah i mean i never got attention as a kid now you hear that a lot and sometimes you know people need attention do you feel like you got a lot of attention growing up yeah you did yeah a lot of actors didn't though and my i'm actually my parents my father especially was very happy to have me be an actor as opposed to a lot of actors why is that he was a film Buffy loved John Ford and he used to make me watch movies and he was a teacher and he he his thing was you got to do something that you really love yeah but wasn't he also was it hard

because he was a book critic for the New York Times so if you did a project weren't you going oh my God he's going to hammer me he's going to look at it a certain way the whole thing about him we could do him should we start on Jim Dr. James R Frakes let's do it I tell a great story I think about when he died years ago and I inherited his the books that he had taught of, his teaching editions of all his books. He talked Hemingway, Faulkner, Joyce, Henry James, you know, the contemporary guys and all that shit. He was, so he was very loved teacher and would go back and reread his novels before he taught him. So he, one time in high school, after having read something, I said, I'm ready to read Ulysses.

He enjoys Ulysses, Portrait of an artist as a young man, which you have to read when you're in high school. Right. So he said, Jonathan, you're really not ready for Ulysses. You can't handle Ulysses. I said, okay, dad, fine. So he's dead. I'm now probably 60 in my little library in Maine, which looks like this room in the pull-up. And I'm getting very sentimental because I got a chair that was his chair when he was given this special chair.

And it's got his Lehigh University in the back and I'm sitting in to his chair. And I take the dog ear deal with the thing. And I said, I thought this will be a great moment. I'll have a moment with my dead dad. I'll open you later. I do about two paragraphs. And I'm fucking lost completely out of my realm. And I said, yeah, you're right.

You can't handle you. I'm 62 years old. I put the fucking book back. I haven't taken it down since. You never read Ulysses. I still, I'm not ready. I can't handle Ulysses. Obviously, my dad was right.

You can't handle Ulysses either. I can't read the truth. What? You never read Ulysses? No, no, I'm not going to lie. I read some Nici and I was lost, but I know. Nietzsche, even Niche is even easier to understand.

Yeah, probably. I don't know. Is that Harrison Ford next to you? That is Harrison Ford. That's Raiders of the Lost Ark. You ever see that movie? I watched the Raiders. I was just, I just finished a,

I just finished a Hallmark. Christmas movie. Really? There's some tea. You didn't know that, did you? No, I didn't. But I hear a lot of people are doing those now. I notice a lot of actors, you know, they get paid well, I guess, and they it's, it's a great thing. And Picardo was on it. Picardo had a day on it. So I had some had had a nice evening with him. But I get home because we were on two to two because the, uh, built more hotel. It was a Vanderbilt, built more hotel. The stories at Christmas, a built more Christmas, a built more Christmas. But they stayed open during the day. So we worked from two to two. So you get back to the hotel and on the movie channel was that raiders the lost dark raiders Jurassic Park the

original Jurassic Park so about three o'clock in the morning where you're winding down there was something to watch what were you first of all a Hallmark movie is it just something that you can easily just walk through you kind of well I still worry about more than ever worry about holding the lines and I was I was I was playing the sort of the caretaker or the caretaker of the built more estate so I was doing the tour So I had fucking pages of chatter about who this is, who this mythical character is. And it's it throws back to a 1940s movie that was shot at the hotel. And so I had a lot of setting up pages.

Why do you accept something like that? Do you stress with it? Money. Well, why would you? Right. But let me ask you, I mean, do you, when you read something, you're like hoping, do you now hope? I don't have a lot. Oh, yeah.

I hope his faces only. Because it's probably, I mean, when you look at all these pages, like how long does it take you to learn maybe a couple pages of dialogue i can it takes me ages my wife as you know i'm married to genie francis and i just sent her off to work and she literally um she's doing eight shows in five days this week and she does 30 pages of dialogue at night some nights and she will look at him for she's been doing for 45 years she'll look at the dialogue and if she has a lot of dialogue maybe 40 minutes what wait a minute and then she gives me and she says okay let me see if i have that and she gives me the script and she fucking kills it day after day after day after day after day how

intimidating is that well it's again it's because she's so good at it that only you know expands my paranoia about it but she also has a muscle that very few people have she's been doing it since she was 13 or 14 that's a rarity a lot of you are you good with lines you know i think i was better when i was younger but like now it definitely scares me if someone says hey they want you for this you're going to shoot Monday and it's a Friday and it's like you got to make sure you read it I didn't read the oh yeah I got I just took the job and then where you once you accepted it you're like oh well I knew the director I worked with John Putch who was the director he used actually was on Star Trek and Puch said do you want to come do this job I don't know what you'd make but you make some money

Picardo's going to be in it we'll fly into North Carolina if you will do it try you knock all your stuff off in a week so why wouldn't I say yes don't you say yes when a director asked you to do a job no really not unless I really want to do it wow you are different You don't need the money. Well, it's not that. I mean, you, you, you don't need the money. But don't you love to work? No.

And I'll get to the point of here. You like this. You can fulfill, you have enough hobbies that you don't have to be working. It's weird, too, because I talk about this ad nauseum, but like I look. Does you talk about this ad nauseum? Pretty much. Yeah, I love acting. I, I did it in high school.

I did it through college. I did theater. I did off-Broadway stuff like you did. And, you know, I had that bug. I think part of me, I'll just be honest, was like, I want to be on TV, I want to be in the movies, I want to be seen, I want to be. And even though I studied hard and worked hard and really took it seriously. So when you got it, there was an element of fun for me. Like it was like a fun thing. And then, but the work, I think a lot of people don't realize they think it's just easy and fun all the time. They all think it's fun until they come to visit you. And then they say, wait a minute, you work it for 12 hours. Why are you doing the regular day? Why are you doing the same fucking? seen for six hours and so look it's not that i don't want to act it's that if i'm going to do something it's got to for now it's just got to be something that i'm like oh this this will be great this is with a great director or this is this could this could do something that's what i'm saying

if a director that you like calls you and offers you who yeah like that's what i meant that's oh okay not any director but yeah no no but a director that you know and like yeah like let's say let's say i'd call you because i used to be a nice little director i mean you you're a big director now You direct a lot. I mean, we've been talking, but I want to talk about, like, you talk about your dad. And I could see when you were telling that story, how you remember. It's so vivid. And I could just see the room you're in and just, he meant a lot to you.

He was great. Were your mother and father both really good parents? Maybe. My dad was an eccentric and didn't like to travel. His traveling was going out on the porch to have a cigarette. You know, my mom wanted to go to England. England and Ireland and all, you know. So there was that. He worked his ass off. She took care of us. He was diabetic, so she made sure he got fed at all the right times. He was the muse to a lot of,

I grew up in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. And we lived, it was, you know, half of a house. And we were, you know, a steel town. And my dad, we were a weird family because we were, he was an English professor, and we weren't steelworkers. We looked next door to a rabbi who used to paint the rocks. And it was a really eclectic, weird neighbor. But the kids I grew up with who became songwriters and musicians and poets would come to our house because we had modern art on the wall. It was weird. But my dad was like a mentor to some of these kids who were my oldest friends, one of whom I just visited last week. And he would give them Wilka or whatever, he'd give them some poetry to read or he'd talk about it. He was so, he was such a loving, gentle, sweet, ironic, funny kind of

sarcastic. Was he affectionate? Yeah, but not, not... Would he give you a hug? Absolutely. What do you say, I love you? Absolutely. I'm proud of you.

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because i lived an hour and a half from new york or i grew up an hour and a half from new york so i'm in or my mom comes to visit and you know this is in the 70s so you got your little portfolio with your 8 by 10s and between i was working as a moving person for the walk-up king and his trustworthy stepbrothers which was the worst fucking gig in the world and then go into auditions and anyway my mom comes to visit and because she's there i'm in a cab and we're going to dinner or something because you know you take a subway if your mom's not in town right and i stopped by the uh the pot dealer to get my little nickel bag a pot right and she said what he's out i said oh that's you know that's marijuana so i put it in my little acting bag and we go on apparently when she went home and told my dad

she just she was so freaked out so freaked and she didn't let you on to no she did i could tell but she was trying to be cool she was desperately tried but my dad when i saw him the next time i went home he held my face like this and he said jonathan jonathan lie to her and i gotta say it's it's not great fathering but it's kind of honest fathering right right you thought he was going to say what i was waiting for don't do this don't know what he said lie to her was his advice god were you tight with your like you have a brother yeah brother died yeah he was awesome he was he was the cute one in the family really yeah i'll tell you one I thought about my dad be taught before.

He also, when he was talking about giving the birds and the bees talk about using a condom and how you have to respect women and all the, you know, all the right things on this sex talk. And he finished the talk and we had to go upstairs and get to the bedrooms and he went up to stairs. He stopped in the landing. He looked back and he said, and don't forget, sex is beautiful. And he left and went upstairs. How old is he at this point? He's dead. No, at this point, not now.

when he said this to you he's dead well i was a kid you know it was whatever you are 13 so what was he in his 40 i remember a stupid story is my friend emil camacho he was at his dinner table and his brother jose his older brother got a woman pregnant and the table was really quiet and uh mr camacho was very you know soft-spoken didn't say many things like when i call i go he go hello and i go is emil there no email's not here hang up right you know so he's at the the table and terrible uh filipino accent but i could say it because you know that was filipino i don't know what it was but my stepmom's filipino my childhood best friend i'm just saying i'm i'm covering my i love filipino you're covering your racist ass my racist ass and i remember he says i was sitting

there and i was drinking my eating my soup and my father goes you could have sex with the girl but don't get him pregnant like your brother and he spit out of soup and that was it but it's like hey you know yeah that's the same talk but kind of in a different but in front of everyone you in front of everyone in front of everyone rify um when did you know you had like this like love for acting like this is this is what i want to do it changed i i i did like you did i direct i acted in high school i acted in junior high school i was always very popular i was sort of popular because i was in so many things I was in the band and I was in the Glee Club

I was in the drama club No sports I was on the track team I was really bad on the basketball team I was so bad in the basketball team I didn't even start and then I was sort of moved out by high school so I was I did track and cross country

which are not really sports in high school as you probably know Yeah well I was in the band I was in the marching band You play trombone Play trombone from the get go Trombone was the instrument you chose Well here's how I chose

I was in fourth grade at Jefferson Elementary School in Bentlehem, PA, and in the public school at this time, again, this is now the 60s, the school district or the school gets a certain allotment of instruments and fourth grades where the music starts. So I think there was one trombone, two trumpets, too clarinet, you know, whatever the fuck it was. And they said, Franks, stand up. Okay, you got the longest arms. You get the trombone, you get that, and you get the flute and you get the clombone. So that's just like that. Bam, trombone. and you loved it

I did love it well it was an absurd you know I like the absurd it's really an absurd instrument it is it's a cool instrument and I didn't even know this you would know this

he was on the album Fisher's album hoist it all happened to cross the street from where I live from right he lived you lived across the street won't give the address but you lived across the street

in the house supposedly Jimmy Hendricks lived in yes and you played trombone I lived next to Paul Fox, who produced, among others, the late great Paul Fox, R.M. Bjork and Jacob Dillon, and he was wonderful. And the guys from Fish, who he also produced, obviously, came to his house and hung out. And the mailbox at that house across the street from you used to be my mailbox was a cow.

You ever seen those cow things? And it was dented because so many people had hit it, as I'm sure, this whole drive, this hole. yeah it happens it happens a lot it's it's sort of the cow version of that of the large mouth bass mailbox which you see out in the country right yeah yeah yeah and this was dented to shit and so it was a landmark because that's when you knew when we got to my house or to paul's house so they knew i played trombone because they watched star trek and they were big fans of the show and all that so wait trey anastasia's there yes from fish and john fisherman who i still know and they are there with you they're there with me and they ask paul to ask

me to play trombone on their album that I'm working on on Saturday in a studio out in did they know you were good they didn't that's the story so I'm invited out and I'm so psyched as you can well imagine I get in the studio they put the chart up on the music stand it is beyond my capability because I am only good or was at that point only good now I really have no lip at all but the chart was too high it was too fast it was it was completely yeah and I attempted So I played what I thought, you know, and he said, okay, let's chart again. And it became clear really fast to me, but they were being very patient. The engineer was being patient.

We'd try and try. It became very clear that it was not going to work. But so they ended up higher in the trombone player from Tower of Power, who was a monster. But the outtakes of my attempts to play the charts on whatever song it was I was meant to play on were saved and became this 29 second cut on hoist called Riker's mailbox is the name of the song. Obviously, it fell. Riker. He played Riker, a next generation.

Boom. Come on. And it was my mailbox. It was my outtakes. And Paul, God bless him, gave me a gold record. I got a hoist gold record on my wall framed. God, I used to, I was, I was listening. Were you a fish guy?

I was fish in college. Yeah. any of my friends i can't spare a moment on the dog face boy i won't lend another hand to the warm girl of hanoi don't deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue but ask me and i'll do anything for you remember that one beautiful oh well let's go out to dinner and see a movie that's the one i remember oh yeah they yeah they're great my friend kent who goes to every fucking fish concert he's been a hundred of them like how do you go to Hundreds of concerts.

I know. That's the deadheads used to do. I just can't listen. So you're like 10 years or more younger than me. So you're in an era. I'm 50. Yeah. I'm 70. So 20 years younger.

Wow. So I look 60 is what you're saying. Well, you were talking about the 70s, 80s because I was thinking about your influences were in the 80s if my influences were in the 70s. My influences really were the 70s too. I mean, I love the 70s. My dad was a big hippie. My mom kind of like the pop 70s stuff.

She loved Joni and Carly Simon And she was doing Valium And, you know, imaginary snow angels In the carpet listening to that shit All fucked up and my dad was into Zeppelin And my dad brought home the Cream album From a student of his John Barlecoran

Was that wasn't cream that was This is a yeah cream Of course Ginger Baker the drummer Yeah wow Clapton And he liked all that shit Well he was a jazz guy But he thought maybe I'd like it

And he was right do you still go to concerts when's the last time you went to a concert I saw Paul Simon and Sting together at the forum how boring was that I thought that was great kidding I love both I love both of and then I remember Sting saying

because they traded back and forth and occasionally they did a song and a couple songs together and I come and Sting said well I hope Paul doesn't hear this and he told this great story about when he was traveling in his station wagon around the south his band I guess a pre-police band that Sting might have been in

that toured bars right and he said we used to play this and then sting sang we all came to look for America and it was wow that's cool it was just him and the guitar was great and this was at the Hollywood Bowl no this was at the forum at the forum the fabulous forum yeah that's where we used to go to the lakers game yeah oh yeah I love the form I've seen some concerts there I saw the eagles there and um you know I'm I love that you play the trombone I think it's just amazing um I love that I'm across the street from my only trombone. I mean, that's probably my coolest credit is that I'm on the hoist album. What do you mean?

What do you? Look at all the work you've done. No, no, but I'm saying in terms of cool. You don't think playing, you know, in all these Star Trek movies and directing commander William Riker and all the stuff. No, no, that's cool. I think it's very cool. Right.

But I'm saying of the other part, you know, you know what I mean when I say, cool. This is what I'm saying. But I'm, yeah. Like for me, I just came out with a new album and my band's called Sunspin. And I thought it was really cool that Richard Blade, who's like the 80s guy, DJ, he has first wave with Richard Blade. And this next band is a band called Sunspin. And he played and I have it and I posted it, but he played it and talked about the band and loved it and played it. And I thought that was one of the coolest things.

I didn't know you had a band. Yeah, called Sunspin. Yeah. I look I always love music and I was like do you play out live we we did before the pandemic and now we play live virtual shows and that's a lot of fun is that live virtual shows well we're live yeah and people are watching us live do you play at the cons I you know I play sometimes I'll play acoustically at like little round tables and things and play for some people and play some songs they'd love you in the condo circuit you're very well loved you are so are like I think it's important how do you when you go to these cons do you um Um, look, people, that's why we're here together. Yeah, because we met at the con. We're not in a con. I instantly loved you.

Exactly. And I felt the same way. I felt, I trusted you enough that I was going to drive to your house to do a fucking podcast, which I never. I tried to get out of it three times. I said, don't you zoom like or any other fucking podcast where you think there's no cameras? Then I find out there are cameras. It's got to be in person. It's just more tangible.

I feel you. I hear you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But you, you dug in on it. I had to. Well, when I like someone, I'm like, I got to have them as a guest. And, you know, not all guests are that open.

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By the way, working with Will, did you know a lot of like the stuff? Because he's obviously an open book, hence his book's up there. Did you know a lot of the things that were going on personally in his life at all? He kept it from everybody. Well, and his parents were there. and we thought it was a copacetic family we thought everything was hunky dory that they were just quiet he had no idea until he started to go through whatever he went through to find he by the way is great at this have you seen ready room yeah i saw you on there yeah he's really really he's just

so well read and so like does the research does knows what he's talking about what you do too he's also got what you he makes us comfortable he's also very present which he's which is essential i think in this in this job and he really loves star trek he does he told me those stories where he would go in early and look at the ship and go in there before he even started working and all that were you was that a parent were you like this kid just wow this kid's no he didn't feel like a kid to us i'll tell you this is a story that i tell all the time but i'll share it with you so that you can have it in your in your tape my repertoire in your repertoire you've probably heard it already

no he grew up in a show obviously right so he turned he started when he was 13 maybe so he turned 16 he got a driver license and had enough money he bought a Honda Civic which was the same car that Patrick drove at the time right wow so we finished work together we finished the same time one day we're walking out of the

sound stage to go to where our cars were parked and um he's feeling he's full of himself right he's 16 years old he's got a car he's going to the parking garage he's going to drive his car home he just worked on this team so uh we're walking back to the garage he says you know freaks i can tell by the clothes that you wear and the music comes out of your dressing room you used to be cool then you oh my god you never heard that story before that's one of my big convention stories he said that oh and i quote him and i bust his balls for it every time what did you say at the time did you laugh of course i laughed i thought you were like fuck you

kid exactly i think i laughed with the fuck you kid but uh so he he's i never let him live it down he's amazing he's an amazing human being he really is and i just you know it's tragic it's like hearing that story where he sent a letter to his parents and and said everything and they just didn't respond i know and it just did you do you remember reaching out to him at all saying hey if i'm here if you need me no we said that in how we behaved to him which is what it makes him say to us that we were his family he we truly treated him as an equal, I think, in a way that he wasn't treated maybe on some other, maybe at home, which we did. None of us knew. And I always think of myself as a pretty good observer of human behavior. We were all in the dark about it. And we've talked about it privately behind his background. Did you fucking know? I didn't fucking know, no idea. But he is so eloquent about the relationship, how important that his relationship is with us and we with him. He brings, when we're together in that rare time, we get to do to do a panel. with everybody he brings a level of sincerity to the panel and informed he's so informed that doesn't

allow us to get sarcastic or um what's the word i'm looking forward you um you you've done this surface yeah very surface he doesn't allow any of us to go into that pat kind of answer world because he's sincere and he wants and he listens and he's a very special man that that's a very special man That's amazing. You know, I've heard a lot of stories. My friend Troy lives in, up in Vancouver, and I was asking him some questions about what he knows about you. And he goes, I just know that I've heard that the cast has always really gotten along,

that they all, for the most part, really like each other. Is that honestly true? Absolutely true. It is true. And we've both been on shows where that's not the case. I mean, and still get along. We're about to do all this promo. The card, season three is about the drop.

You're all coming back to you. originals yes it's it's it's it's a i'm giddy about it i i feel as excited as i did when first contact was opening it feels like that big a deal to me and i know it's not and i know i shouldn't get excited but the buzz and the uh you know it's not supposed to be a reunion but clearly it is a reunion i mean yeah and and it's i talked to brent today today's brent's birthday happy birthday brent spiner and uh he said oh there's bertie lavar's in Hawaii, N-C-I-S-Hawai.

So Lamar was calling him from Hawaii. He said, yeah, take Bertie. I'm going up to see. Michael, he said, oh, I love him. He's a nice. This is Brent. So, again, the third part of the talk about you. Brent's a great guest.

You know, I was thinking, you know, Sir Patrick, right? Who doesn't insist on being called Sir, unlike Sir Ben Kingsley, who does? Oh, so then I'll just say Patrick's Stewart. Yeah, there we go. So Patrick Stewart. So, so Patrick Stewart.

But you feel like you must do it. I know. Now I want to. When you have Brent on, Brent does as good an impersonation of Patrick as anybody in the world. Really? And I've never heard of an impression of him. If you really get him, he'll do Patrick Stewart talking to Sirian McAllen. And their accents are just different enough that it's his, it's like Dana Carvey.

When Dana Carvey does characters, George Bush, talking to the church lady, Brent doing Patrick talking to Sirian is priceless. Oh, you guys have to. Yeah, start tweeting Brent Spiner now that you has to come on the podcast. But how does I worry about, you worry about lines, sometimes we worry about lines. More now. Of course. Now as you get older. But then you look at a guy like Sir Patrick Stewart, who's 82 years old.

You're directing episodes of Picard. I mean, A, why is he, why does he still want to do this? He has nothing to prove. Right. B, how does he do it? Those hours are excruciating And how does he learn those lines? Right.

Eighty-two. He does it because it's in his blood. He's been acting. He's another one. He's been acting his whole life. He got into the Royal Shakespeare Company was very, very young. He's never stopped acting. He's one of the world's finest actors.

He likes that. He likes being mad. Sure. And you know what it's all. obviously we maybe you may don't you don't feel the same way the set is kind of our home you don't you don't miss the set i do i do miss the the feeling the the interaction the connection with with people and being creative and coming up with things i do miss that um no i absolutely do miss that yeah anyway patrick is an early riser he goes to bed having known his lines he gets driven

to work so he's working on on the way in he gets made up and and so we start early with Patrick and we get Patrick's work done with any luck by lunch or just a little hour an hour or so after lunch so we give him the producers and the directors the first

half, two thirds of the day and then somebody else will finish up so he doesn't do it have to do 13 straight anymore however he insisted on doing seasons two and three of Picard which was 13 months straight so did he have

to convince the studio that he was he could do this and he wants to do this and he doesn't want to be they went to him well of course they asked him to do you know they pitched him a show he said here's what i want the show to be and then that's where bickard came from and how is it directing him i mean you've done it for a while now he's he's putty absolute putty like he doesn't give you any grief he doesn't give me any grief no he knows if i'm coming to him i've either got an idea that he inspired or that he may be missed a moment that he may like to try or um or he'll say i know johnny act better and i'll say yeah that would be great or his other thing was is i know how to fix this he's i know what you mean johnny think faster watch here we go let's

go we've been that simple wow but he's um we've done a lot together of a lot i mean you've probably seen as how many years have you been doing this since since next generation 30 next generation is 36 years ago 35 so of all the movies you directed two of the movies right two the they were big blockbusters right well they mean 150 million dollars yeah I mean that's a big thing but you've directed all these people many times I have I mean do you ever have any problems like does it ever get like a family because we know families they love each other And then they also go, well, get with the fucking program. Why isn't that?

Well, that can happen on the set. And then I have to say, you know, let's figure this shit out. Right. But I generally, I'm not a big confrontation guy. Right. So if they're dug in on something, I said, you know, by all means, do it. You know, especially with lines. There used to be such sticklers when we were to.

next gen you had to do it by the book every line every line no consonants and and now people have started people respect that less which i think is a huge mistake since the writers have been working on these scripts for fucking months sometimes years you got to give them the respect to do them the way they're written at least attempt to make that come to life you can't change it willy-nilly so the kangely that's that's an issue i was trying to defend the writers a little bit but um people misbehave sometimes because they're tired because they're angry about something at home well you know yeah things happen things happen and and and you try to compartmentalize and not bring it to the set but shit happens yeah and i'm pretty good about trying to keep the keep it light that's my approach right i've i've it's you know the cliche is that we're not you know we're not curing cancer we're really just making a tv show let's although it it appears that way when you're working the intensity of like what we're doing is so also what's the most complicated way we could possibly do this let's do it that way yeah it's true we have to make it cool we have to make people going to lose their attention we have to move the camera more we can't

it's none of that simple shit that i miss yeah just put a camera there and let the actors do it you think i think i think there's gorgeous cinematography and and especially all the new star tracks were we're encouraged to shoot sort of cinematically and filmically and as robbie duncan mcneal says you shoot the thrill and but you got to get your story and you got to get your story and you got to your close-ups and you got to see what as i say when let's get in here and see what they're thinking and that's that's kind of sometimes not sometimes you want to know what the fuck they're thinking you want to know what they're feeling and if you're zipping the camera around and you're missing that sometimes and that's uh yeah do you ever have moments where you're your your slammajama

right there in the guy's close up close up it's just right it's it's yeah choker choker choker chin to top of the eyebrows and it's there and you want this moment and you just are not getting it and you just keep and you feel bad but they're just you got to learn when to cut fish or cut bait or whatever the cliche is yeah how many times what percentage do you usually have to walk away going that's not exactly what I wanted I don't have to do it with any of those regulars on that show it's a guest stars yeah it's guest stars and you and if the guest stars you don't know if and then or or inexperienced actors you think you're not there's no getting there or or I just have been communicated it clearly enough.

And I'm just embarrassing everybody now by asking for another take or trying to rephrase. Or we'll fix it in editing. I know how to fix this. Yeah, you cut on somebody else and get somebody to loop the line the way you're done. Exactly. But as you experience is, as I said to David Oshallah, who David Ojala is, who's the male, he's like the male lead on Discovery. He's Seneca's partner and lover. And I said one time, because it was a young actor,

he was wanting to do this. And I said, do a child, just offhand off the side of my mouth. I said, God, experience could be a real burden. So I, and he loves that quote. He brings it up every time I see him. Experience is a burden. It's a real burden. Do you feel like when you direct, do you, let's say you jump into a show that's already

three seasons in, two seasons in five? you don't have to watch every episode of what the fuck's going on but you got to get somebody to tell you which ones you should watch if you're if you're going into so usually the creator will tell you yes somebody the creative will tell you here's our six best shows and this will give you the tone and then the producing director of the show will sit down with you say here's how we do shit here like um nathan's show right castle um rob bowman who was one of our favorite directors on NextGen was a producer director on Castle. And he had me in, he said, I think you'd be a good kind of a big brother figure to Nathan.

And I know you worked with Stana because she was in the librarian movies with Noah. So I knew the two leads. And he said, I think you'll really be a good fit for this company. But don't do any multi-move dolly moves. I don't want to waste my time with that. So don't do anything clever where you come under the elevator and bring me down the hall. I don't need any of that shit. And get me three sizes on the stars in every scene.

those are the marching orders couldn't be more clear right you go to falling skies was was beeman working on that great beeman do you work with him he i love beeman he's he's the one who tells this next story beeman's awesome beman and i wrote a show sold a show together beman was the showrunner on smallville he wrote a direct a lot of the big episodes yeah yeah he was he was the producing director on on falling side he's awesome and he's got a big brain he's got a big he's a big kid he's a big kid yeah he's a big kid but that was that was a spielberg produced show and beeman's uh approach when he sits down with the director's coming and i was doing that show because i was a friend of noah and uh noa was a starly no no that was uh falling skies was

it's meant to look like documentary war handheld footage yeah right so you follow everybody around and you don't have to stay on the dialogue you go and see what people say so you stay in a shot as long as you can and the camera's on somebody's shoulder and that's the way the show looks totally different but you have to know when you go I mean you don't go into these shows and try to fucking reinvent the wheel well I'm going to do right falling skies on a crane and I think what I'll do is I'll say way back here and we'll do then you don't get hired back no you have to know like you said to know the show right because the people who are going through with their remote they want to recognize oh there there's

NCIS or there's Star Trek or there's Castle you know they want to recognize their show and how much work does it take when you get a directing gig on a TV show how much how much time do you have you get the script and then you have a couple of weeks yeah you got the you got the episode before yours you're in actual prep with the production right but hopefully you get a script before that so you can start to break down the beats I break a script down as I did as an actor break the script down with the beats where you know each beat has its own intention and all that shit so i i still break down a script that way as as a director so that i don't miss a beat when i'm trying to get shots and all that business or talk to the actors right so hopefully you have

a script but you know on television you often start an episode in the script isn't completely done it changes constantly it changes constantly but you know sometimes you have the act you're shooting and i mean it's illegal now you can't start allegedly with a without a full full production draft, but it used to happen. Really? They just keep writing it as it went along. Wasn't that the way on Smallville? I mean, sometimes, but they usually had the scripts.

The scripts were pretty solid, but they would change a little bit. But you never started an episode with Act 1 and Act 3 and an outline for the other. No, I don't remember doing that. That would have been, that would have drove everyone crazy. Exactly. And that happens? Or it happened. It used to happen.

It maybe didn't get to the floor like that, but you would sometimes, you would often, start prep. Oh, sorry, we don't have a full production draft for you, but come we're going to do a meeting with the production designer. We'll talk about what we think the sets will be that you'd start your meetings, but you'd have like a five-page document that said what they think the episode's going to be. That's a bear. Just imagine you used to, and you know this, you filmed on with film. You're shooting film. And now, I mean, you, you don't have a lot of time. I've done a show, I did a show where the episode that I prepped was scratched either the day before we started shooting yeah and Paul Gio who is my writer on that

he and I stayed up for 24 hours and he rewrote a script and he talked me through it and by the time we were ready to shoot we had a brand new script it must have been two days because we had to cast him pretty stressed yeah Mike Truco ended up being in it John Delancey ended up being in it you know all those you know all over I got that stressful for actors as well my god what about the script. This is where you call and say, I think you're going to play the devil it is. Are you cool? They're going to fly you up. That's when you do what John Putch did with me. I've got part. Do you want to come? I like that. You do. Yeah, you don't. I'm starting to try to wane you over. I don't know. I don't know. Wendy's most important deal of the day has a fresh

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I have been told by Dean Devlin, who I work for all the time, who's a big fan of Brent's because he shot Independence Day, which, you know, Brent's great in. Dean said, I've tried to get Brent to do the show. I've offered it to him, but he's, I said, he said, this is a great part. He says, Frank's one of the things I was directing. He said, offer it to Brent. I said, do you want me to call him? He said, yeah. I said, okay, I'm sure.

I called Brent. I said, dude, I got a part, a guest starring part. You're sort of a Jeff Bezos, but you're kind of a hippie. You're a tech magnet and you've got the women and, you know, you're. And he said, where's a shoot? I said, well, it's in Glendale. Oh. So I'd have to drive from Malibu.

I said, dude, it's thousands of dollars. And you get to hang it with me all day. we're going to have a good time. I don't know, Johnny. If offer it to somebody else and if they turn it down, I'll do it. This is my friend with an offer. You're going to be that guy.

You are clearly going to pull a Brent Spiner. I can tell. You don't have to fucking lie to me. I can tell what it's going to be like. If it's in Glendale, it's actually pretty close to me. So I think I would consider that. It's not like we're going to. It's not a Saskatchewan.

It's Glendale. look you've had a lot of obviously a lot of success a lot of fun you're doing what you love you've been married to the same women since what 88 88 but whether longer than that that's 12 20 how many years is 35 36 36 years I mean you have stories that you could go on forever about but I know that you've also had some tough times right I mean we all have I lost a sister a couple years ago you lost your brother um how do you is it something you know sometimes they say it scars over but it's always still there you always think about it um how how do you deal with that now that's a really good question um my brother who died of pancreatic cancer at the age of 41 um the week that my daughter

was uh as i said a friend of mine dear friend we live together in new york we lived together in L.A. We drove across the country together when I came out here. So we were really thick as thieves. Since I'm involved in this thing with Armand Shimmerman and Kitty, you know Kitty Swinkis, who's, Armin's quirk. Armine's wife is Kitty, who's a 19-year pancreatic cancer survivor. So she asked me to get involved in this organization called Pankan. I've never had a charity that I really believed in in my heart. I'm happy to help people out and do it. We work for the food bank. There's a lot of stuff in HALS, but this is my brother. So I got a story, you know, you have a story with your, as you try to raise money.

So being involved, like the kitty, has reminded me a lot of Daniel, because I talk about him more now like this. This wouldn't have come up, I don't think, had it not been a thing that I've been talking about. I like it. I like thinking of him. I like talking about him fondly. I have great memories of the time. it would uh which joint should we have which joint this is the we had we had two bags of pot in the in the in the 1967 Chevy sport van and the big decision was when we pulled over to

because I like to fish at night so we'd pull over someplace but fish he'd roll his eyes and he'd say which pot are we going to smoke I said okay you you decide I'm going to fish wow I love it that's Daniel. I mean, um, when it happened, was it just obviously shock? Oh, yeah, but he was he was yellow. He had jaunt us. We took him into the hospital. For how long was from the beginning he was sick till you lost him? Oh, not even six months, five months. They opened him up. That's about that's the whole pancreatic cancer thing. Nobody knows you got it. They open him up. I guess they closed him up and looked and said, doctor said, well, there's nothing we can do. He's got six months to live. I mean, he wasn't quite that cold, but those were the facts. But you had no idea until they called you like

he was that sick no idea so who calls you my mom and says daniels you know he's got to go in the hospital so it we could see it was really bad so genie and i flew out and then we got the bad news together and then actually for part of his last few months he came in the house in our house in l.a but he was and he had a daughter that he didn't want to see because he was embarrassed that he was sick and also he had been divorced from the same woman twice and he's it was a very complicated how did you lose your sister well it was my dad remarried and they had a child little lea may who i have her tattoos and her arm and she was born with a chromosomal defect so um she was always in hospitals always you know back and forth for a while and then that's where she lived but she was

she couldn't really talk she kind of laid there and she you know they thought that she was going to pass away right away when she was an infant they said most of these children pass away early it never and she was like one of the longest cases she lived till like 14 15 years old and in that condition in that condition and just i mean probably almost died 30 40 times right and you know my dad was not an emotional person was never i would never not a you know wasn't affectionate it wasn't i never saw any of that ever it was just like go do you know it was just you know very hard very old school and whatever but when I called him and he and she had passed I've never heard someone cry like that it was

jarring it was absolutely jarring and you know people don't know what it's also it's been held up for 14 years that that's you hit the nail on the head and a lot of people they don't know what it's like to lose a child most people but that's as close as I will come to knowing what it might feel life by hearing my father how did your parents were there something they didn't talk about my father who we spoke about earlier my father never recovered my mom and i mourned my mom and i wept my mom and i excuse me i think dealt with it very well or as well as you can or as realistically as you can my dad my mom and i said for many years my mom lived it being like 94 my dad died when he was like 77 so she lived a long time after him and um we're both convinced that because

He was so damaged by Daniel dying and so unnatural for, you know. Yeah. He had Alzheimer's. They had really bad Alzheimer's, which may or may not have been connected to. It could be triggered. Absolutely. Yeah. And then you talked briefly when we were making cough in the other room.

You were saying how hard it is to, you know, to watch him slowly decay. Oh, with Alzheimer's. Brutal. Because I watched my grandfather. Yeah, it's brutal. It's just like, and like your. And Sweet Paul, who I spoke about earlier, this producer had early on the old tongues. And he just died and he was, he was your age or a little old.

He's in his 50s. So it was really. Yeah. For years. And my grandfather was brilliant. Well read. A lot of them. That's the other thing.

My dad was brilliant. A lot of people with Alzheimer's are big brains. So maybe I'll get lucky. Yeah. Because I don't. Both of us should be fine. We should be okay, at least for that. Hey, were you ever, were you ever fully yourself at all?

Was there ever a time where you're like, I'm Jonathan Frick's. I'm a good looking, strapping, tall movie star, director, and you got, you were caught up in your own shit and you had to get through that? On the set last week, I had been walking back and forth. There was really strict security at this, uh, built more hotel because it's a museum. It's got mosaise and go gangs and it's a Vanderbilt estate and all this shit. But when I was called to the set, we went up a ramp, and I had my little acting bag with me and I had my suit on. And for days, I'd just been walking back and forth into this hotel past his security guard. So one day, he says, I got a look at that bag.

And I thought he was fucking with me. So I said, oh, dropped the bag. And he did not find me funny at all. And I was with this PA who I'd been entertaining by being an asshole. I'm like you. You know, I like to entertain. Oh, yeah. You know, here comes Franks.

Got to get a laugh. Got to get a laugh. I got to get a laugh. This guy wasn't having that. So he said, who's your boss? So asshole move number two. I said, well, I guess you are. Sit out on that bench.

So it was clear. It was so clear that my shit was not funny. And this guy was dead serious. And he wanted to look at my bag. And so I opened my bag and he looked. I said, what are you looking for? He said, well, we're looking for guns and away in and people steal stuff on the way out. And I felt my mom and dad and, and, and,

my guilt of being a whatever you just asked about and a privileged right right right it all came storming down on me and i looked at it in this security guard in the eye said i really didn't mean to be that rude i am really really sorry and i was i was so complicit and it was so you know because i i'm sure you've gotten in trouble this way sometimes you just think you're funny and you're just not fucking funny and people think you're just an asshole yeah this was that moment and the girl who was the PA was there laughing because she thought i was doing my stick that i was part of whatever my stick is and this guy was he was offended i had insulted him i you know i was undermining his job and i in the moment i turned and i'm and i look for him for days afterwards

and that same thing to a test to apologize again and again wow because it was i was so fucking guilty of being an arrogant asshole so yes the answer is yes And I've done it on and off my whole life. I think it's inherent. I don't think it's really an asshole. I think it's one of these things where we sometimes maybe inadvertently subconsciously. You go like, ah, you know, you've done this for so long, the swagger, and I'm an actor, and I'm funny, and I make people happy.

And I'm just like a good guy. And I'm just going to, my shit don't stink. And here we go. And, hey, and most of the time, it's funny and it's good. And you're being nice to people. And sometimes it's belittling. Or it could become off. you couldn't be more right and it's inadvertent i mean you'd hope it would be you have exactly yeah i feel

it from you it's exactly because we don't mean harm no and and we roll that's how we roll i hate one so it's like that one person in the room they always say if a hundred people are laughing at your 99 people are laughing and the one person in the back thinks you're an asshole you focus on that person no it's like bad reviews yeah it's bad reviews it's uh i i we have empathy um this is called shit talking with Jonathan Franks these are my top tier patrons they get to ask questions they're amazing they support the podcast go to patreon.com slash inside of you i love you guys nancy d well we love seeing you in front of the camera you've gained quite a glowing reputation as a director what was the most challenging aspect of first going behind the monitors ooh trying to make the schedule with the amount of screwing around that the cast on next gen including me is famous for laughing between takes

taking the piss out of each other constantly because you know Star Trek was serious and Star Trek was generally very so when we were when we cut it was wrestling it was singing

there was all kinds of shit Patrick and Worf Dorn used to wrestle what and Brent would do like he were on Vegas and he'd do a pretend mic court and we were so bad that especially in the third or fourth

their fifth season, the only time we would shut up was not roll sound, have speed, camera, we're still, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to yell, action. Number one, we went right up until the end of action and it drove fucking director's crazy. And then when I was directing, I thought, I get it. And also, early on, you have to prove yourself. Yeah, you were trying to prove yourself that you could do it. I was very lucky, though. I had a data show.

So, Brent Spiner was the, he was the lead for the weekend. He's very reliable. Renei Ashavaria wrote the episode as a spec script, who's now a big showrunner from, also from Castle. And I'd been shadowing for almost three years. Right. So I was really, you were ready. I thought I was ready.

Dave P., how do you feel about the way Star Trek has gone with its latest shows? I mean the next next, next, generations or the new show's Discovery Picard I think they're individually exactly what Rodbury would be thrilled to see and they have they're all

they both have all three of them have separate tones what's really captured the audience I think is this Strange New Worlds which is with Hansen Mounde and Ethan He's a good buddy of mine we did a little indie together and he did an episode of Smallville and yeah he's great we did a whole season on Discovery So that was sort of the pilot, was that season for, so those two shows are very important. And Picard is, as you probably know, season three, we're all back together. So I have a very affectionate and appreciative and blessed feeling for all of the new tracks.

When do you, when do you shoot that when you're all together? Well, that's done. That's done. That's air. That's air, it airs wins. February 16, we dropped the first episode. We're doing a premiere man's Chinese. Can I come?

Yes, you can come. where do you want to be what do you mean you want to go to the premiere i mean i could put you on the list put me on the list if i'm in town i will go really are you a tricky i mean i know star trek i watch the originals definitely a lot of the originals and i watched a lot of generation now you weren't even born when deep space nine i remember um i watched some uh the movies i watched all the movies definitely more of a star wars fan but star wars and star track there's way the room for both sarah g yes riker's my favorite next generation character hands down thank you good sir for joining if you could be in any other character on star trek besides riker

who would you be and why data the android is my favorite character on the show and what brent does with it and not only data he plays data lore sung who created data alton sung who's the grandfather of the other so he's played five or six variations on this character I've, uh, he's a, he's amazing character played by an amazing actor. Absolutely. And we're recording us on his birthday. I love that. Yeah.

Um, by the way, if I, if you were new to Star Trek, if people are listening to you and they go, you know, I don't really know Jonathan Frakes. I don't watch all the Star Trek stuff. I don't, but, you know, they watch Castle. There's so many other things you've done that they could go and watch. But if they were to start Star Trek next generation, what episodes jump out that you should see? Here's where you, if you have, if you don't have, time to watch under 82 hours of television start with best of both worlds part one which is at the

end of season three and then it's a cliffhanger and then best of both worlds part two is the beginning of season four and it's it's as good as it gets for next gen i think awesome a good answer right succinct no one's asked you that have they never really liar my ep is there a storyline you wish you'd take in place on the star trek series and if so what is it oh god just a question You don't have to answer it. I mean, you know, they probably explored most stories. Yeah. Maybe up, what was it more?

I loved the, the holodeck when I got to play the trombone, but they brought the trombone in, which was great. I think there was an opportunity for more music, probably. Oh, yeah. Why didn't Picard ever have an affair with, what's her name? Which one? Will Eaton's mother. Well, maybe he did.

Hmm. Do you think that's the subject? text there yes don't you I hope so I don't think you would have asked the question if you didn't suspect maybe Charlene's C last question what was it like filming north and south with Patrick Swayze it was filmed a few hours from me in Charleston

what do you remember about him well that's when I fell in love with my wife Jeannie Francis who played Patrick Swayze's sister Swayze was he was the mayor of Charleston by the way when we were down there it was it was the 80s need I anymore. He was Patrick Swayze. And I loved him. He had a huge heart. Very talented. Great horseman.

Great man. Um, and he carried that show. I mean, he was, he was a good movie star. Yeah. You know what happened to him? He died from pancreatic cancer. Pancreatic cancer. Where can people go if they want to pancan.org. Pancan.org. There's support there. There's a support there. There's it's one of the biggest killers well it's not like that it's the survival rate is so shitting when my brother died there was a 3% survival rate now it's up to 12 which is a big deal so suasy was awesome charleston was awesome i remember taking my wife on my wife genie asking genie out on a date and we went to 82 queen street and the in the in the cast where uh kirstie alley was in the cast and she was like the the the uh the gang leader you know

and we'd all hang out together and go out dancing and all that stuff and I said to Kirstie I think I like Jeannie as she's saying it's okay Franks I think Jeannie likes you I think you should ask her out she was like if we go to the counselor for advice it was a riot

you remember that like it's yesterday I also remember David Carradine was also in the show David Carradine and Patrick Swacey were in the 23rd floor of the hotel we were staying in and that was it where the bar was and I don't know what they were what they had had

but there were big shutters it was south there were big shutters on the windows of this of this lounge or whatever it was in the hotel

and Swayze said I can fly and Dekarad said fuck you I can fly so they both ran

towards the windows and we had to tackle them both oh my God you know what I have an animator sometimes that will animate clips

of this podcast and I think that right there. That's the one. I might have Swayze and Kerriene coming out. You tell this. I can fly. Fuck you. I can fly. This is amazing. Will you come back? I will come back. This has been a joy. I can talk to you forever. It's so easy. Thank you for coming to the house. Thank you very much. Thank you. Ontario. The wait is over. The gold standard of online casinos has arrived. Golden Nugget online casino is live. Bringing Vegas style excitement and a world-class game.

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