Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Jordan Jonas

Episode Date: August 18, 2020

Alone winner Jordan Jonas joins me this week to talk about the positive attitude and resilience he’s been able to adopt through his passion for adventure and survival; the same attitude that allowed him to go over 70 days in the wild, alone. Jordan discusses the upbringing and support his family showed him along the way that helped him seek adventure early in his life. We also talk near-death hunting stories, the perspective that nature can give you, and how to overcome true isolation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Is that possible? I'm excited to be back. Right? Yeah, it's nice. It's nice. It is. Your voice just got high. It's good.

What do you mean? It's just, you know, it's been a good week, you know, I'm appreciative. And after hearing about this next guest, it just makes you kind of think. I asked him a lot of questions, and I think we got some great stuff here. I'm just really excited about this. Normally, I talk about, first I want to say thank you for all the people who are supporting Stage It and my patrons who support the podcast more than amazing. I talk about it all the time.

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You know, what is it? I always say the little caboose that could. What was it? A little engine that could. The little engine that could. You never can get that right. I did that play in kindergarten. You did?

Yeah. How were you? What were you, the engine? No, I was, no, they made up a role for me. I can't remember. That's because you were so good. I think I was a caboose. I think they made up the caboose.

All right. Well, fine. The caboose did exist then. At least in your, uh, I like that. Uh, thank you guys also for watching our stage it. We do live performances on, I think called stage at com. If you got a Rosenbaum and dancing, we have two shows coming up, um, August 29th. Two shows, Saturday, Pacific time, 2 p.m., 6 p.m., we play music, we have prizes.

You can zoom with us, win shirts, and everybody just gets together, and we play covers and some songs from my band Left and Laurel, and we play some originals that Rob and I are working on. So go to stage.com, type in Rosenbaum and dance and get a ticket and hang out with us. I hope everybody's staying healthy. I know it's just getting crazier and crazier. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, and, you know, speaking of which, after talking, to my next guest, boy, it just puts things in perspective. I wish that when I have insight or I get this insight from other people or certain

perspectives that I wish they stayed with me longer because they sort of, they stay there and you're like fascinated and go, I need to be in nature. I need to disconnect. And then I want to do that. And then you get caught up in your stuff again. And as you hear this guy's story, I don't think there's been a better story. I just don't. And he's not a big celebrity.

He won season six alone And I was so fascinated by it I'm in tears at the end of this finale That I just Instagram direct messaged him Like people do to me all the time I don't check mine all the time And nor that I think he would check his Ryan But I said hey man

You know I played Obviously a character who was a badass But you're a badass in real life Would you talk with me? Yeah man here email my sister I emailed Rachel And she was awesome and she's like yeah And I go can you send me

a bio she just sent me some information like oh yeah he used to just jump on freight trains for a year and go across the country with his brother and he went to Siberia and what at 21 and uh it's just it's just i don't know it's it's a beautiful story and it's kind of uh i don't know it really i think you and i got really excited after this interview it's insane it's insane you didn't know anything about it and i have a feeling you're going to probably go watch alone season six now i might now i'm going to have to it's the arctic it's it's unbelievable And his story is unbelievable, like I said. So again, guys, thanks for supporting the show.

I hope you like it. I'll be giving shoutouts to my patrons afterwards. And big news coming up. I still can't say it, but there's some great stuff coming our way here in the podcast. So please subscribe, do all that stuff. I love you. I'm going to be short, get to the point. Let's get inside of Jordan Jonas Season 6 winner of Alone.

It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You. You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Of course you're out in nature. Yeah, the only place I can get cell service out here had to go on this mountain. My gosh. So one of my friends was like, my friend Deneen, she's like, you love this shit.

watch alone and I go what's alone I'm always alone that's the story of my life I'm alone I'm at home alone surviving so I can't imagine I watch so here's what happened I'm one of those guys that skips ahead I never read when I'm supposed to read I just kind of jump ahead to like the last chapter find out what happens at the end yeah so I watch season six alone there's seven seasons the seventh one is is in they're doing it now yeah yeah and I watched six and And all I could tell you was I didn't leave the house until it was done. And I thought a couple of things. One, I'm a pussy.

I also thought, my gosh, how brave are these people? And then thirdly, I said, I cried. When your wife comes behind you at the end. Yeah, me too. Dude, I'm telling you. And I immediately go, I got to get this guy in the show. I got to get this guy in the podcast. This guy's awesome.

He's like the man that I've always wanted to be. he faces so much adversity and like uh i think you know there's a lot of jealousy here because you're the man that you are there's uh you know the family how family oriented how you could survive that long 77 days right yeah yeah ended up being not too bad a couple months yeah i mean what i noticed about all the other contestants it felt like you know there's one guy who was flipping out just flipping out and he was going insane you know i don't think i ever saw i mean you you know you get a moose you we'll talk about them the the moose but like i never saw any anxiety really from you there was it felt like you were just so even killed and some people could

say well those people are like those are serial killers when they don't have any kind of emotion you know but i think it just surprised me how calm and the only thing i could tell you was at the end i remember you're going well if i don't find any fat look my mind's all right but i I'm done right right oh yeah so the whole thing just blew me away and so this show really thanks man that's cool yeah you're into it listen i'm into it i'm babbling now because i'm excited it's like i'm talking to a movie star here so i mean look the first thing i look at is like for you to be who you are uh-huh that had to come from either your family is completely dysfunctional and you were sort of on your own and learn survival skills or they were so damn cool

I don't know tell me about it how was your childhood yeah fortunately for me it was the latter i've had a have a great family and like you know mother and father and siblings i get along with really well so it gave me a good pretty good solid foundation that allowed me to move out in the world and do kind of crazy things and you know you kind of know you have something to fall back on so what was that so yeah talk to me about that i mean how did you become so fearless and what was it How old were you when you realized you had something inside you that wasn't like all your other friends? I guess probably when I started riding, well, not starting writing, but my brother rode freight trains a bunch all around the country, you know, kind of hoboed it up. And then my, at the same time, my older sister, you know, I was the youngest, so I got to watch them all do these things.

My older sister lived in New York City and kind of was in the high fashion world and, you know, had kind of the opposite end of life experience. So as being the younger brother, I was able to watch both them do these kind of opposite but crazy things and join in a little bit. So I rode freight trains with my brother for the summer. You know, we rode across the country up and down the East Coast and then back to, uh, to my home, basically. And part of that I did on my own. So, like, we split up and I rode by myself, spent some time by myself. And then I went up and lived with my sister in New York for some months

and had that whole opposite end to the spectrum experience. And I don't know, after doing those types of things, you kind of just don't want to go back to a normal day job. So you try to forge a new path, I guess. Yeah, but who gets the idea? I mean, what appeal does it have? I mean, me as a kid, taking a freight train, jumping up? What are your parents saying like, oh, yeah, go on the freight train?

Yeah, take a freight train. How old are you when you're doing this, man? I was like 19, so I was already old enough to make my own decision, sort of, I guess. No, but the, I was mostly because my brother had been doing it, but he had already been doing it for years, and he just invited me along. And I had, like, a normal person just been working at the old salad. a dressing factory doing my normal job and hopped out with them

and man it was a whole new it was kind of a whole new eye-opening experience because you just are out in the world every night, you know, trying to find what, you know, each day brings something new and it kind of gave me a taste of freedom that I then sought out in life probably.

But my, you know, my mom by that time was used to it because my brother had already been doing it. She'd already waved her hands. I mean, but usually you think of like cowboys or old, you know, rebels back in the 18th century jumping on freightians. It's illegal what you were doing, right? So the train's going? Do you usually wait until a train stops? or you just jump on it. Let's go.

Well, to avoid waiting too much. We would usually, yeah, wait, jump on it a lot of times when it's moving slowly. You run up alongside it, grab onto the ladder and hop on. And, you know, of course, you're picking out a car that has a good spot in it to lay down in or ride on and see where you end up. Did you bring snacks? Did you bring snacks to a couple of some cans of chili? Oh, we also made a bunch of, made a bunch of stew and, like, put it in Ziploc bags.

and then, you know, you can bite off the bottom of the bag and squirt in your mouth. I mean, I mean, and geez, man, I can't even. And so you get arrested. So what would they do? They'd say, what are you doing? Like, hey, we're just, you know, and they just let you go. We're riding a train. Yeah, yeah. They just had to, you know, spend a night in jail.

And then I guess that taught us a lesson and let us go. You know, nothing too crazy. Well, were you a troublemaker? Were you a troublemaker in high school? Not really. Not at all, huh? I'm not really. Just, uh, well yeah wasn't wasn't doing it to try to get in trouble i was just doing to have an experience i guess i mean did you did you have any kind of like when you were a kid did you were you picked on it all or were you uh were you popular in school not really we uh no i have you know a lot of

good friends kind of i was homeschooled for my younger years and then in high school went uh you know, public high school, but I had good friends in a relatively normal life. And so, uh, yeah, I don't know. You know, we really grew up on a little farm in Idaho. I guess, I don't know. I mean, when were you hunting? When did you start hunting or learning how to hunting? Uh, I didn't do a lot of hunting growing up. My dad didn't hunt. So, so mostly I got into that, uh, in Siberia when I was with the native. Right. So Siberia. You know, you would, you know. I mean, what the hell?

How old were you when you decided to leave Idaho? You're done with the freight training. You're looking for the next level. So we, I was about, I think I was 21 when I went to Siberia the first time, about to turn 22. So, yeah, I went over there. Hey, hold on. One second.

One second. You got it. What's up? Okay, go tell her not to. You can't come up here. Hold on. I'll tell her. Olivia, don't come up here.

Make sure you guys stay down there. Okay, you guys stay down there. I'll say hi later. Don't climb up. Kids. All right, you know what I'm thinking? The first thing I'm thinking is your attitude right then. I have a feeling that's your attitude that you're so level-headed where I'd be like,

Olivia, for the love of God. I'm doing an interview with someone I don't know. Well, I mean, are you always that even killed or is your wife sort of like at this point, she knows you, but like, was she waiting for the crazy to happen or she's just? I think I think I'm in general pretty even keel on that front. Yeah, yeah. So it's a personality trait, probably. So Siberia. You're 21 years old. What makes you go, I'm going to go to the coldest place in the world. I'm going to be miserable. This sounds nice, huh? You should write the brochures. is it not miserable no it's pretty miserable but not in a way it's uh there was a there was a guy who was over there building the orphanage and i heard about him through kind of a long convoluted

story and i decided to go over there and help him so i'm basically just bought a ticket for a year because i figured you know i'd spend a good long year over there felt like it was my like calling at the time the right thing to do so i went over there and uh yeah, spent a year there, but the guy building the orphanage was like a missionary guy and he was an American and I wanted to live with Russians. So he sent sent me to a neighboring village where I kind of spent most my time with a couple Russian families who they had both spent some good time in prison and in prison had met a friend of theirs who was a native reindeer. you know, reindeer herding person and introduced me. That was the long story of how I got connected to the reindeer herders up north. I mean, was it the appeal that they were in prison before that made you want to live with them?

No, they were actually really cool guys. They were super, both of them were, you know, they're kind of like classic Russians and that they have like a couple cows and some animals. and cut hay with their, you know, I would help them get hay in and they'd pile it, not in hay bales, but in those like piles that you see from the 1800s of like little, I don't know, piles of hay.

No, no, we'd go out in hay. I don't know, it was kind of felt like real, the real village Russian life. And I liked it. And they kind of just became like my, you know, Russian version of a family. So, and I bounced between them. The one guy was more like serious and put together.

and the other guy was just hilarious so both of them were fun to hang out with. Did you learn Russian or did they speak good English or was every day like Osvedonia, no, I learned Russian, so that was the hardest part. I felt like probably the isolation learning Russian was almost more intense than on alone and show was like, you know,

I felt like the worst of it was learning the language, you know, isolation-wise. so alone didn't even feel quite as bad. You know, I'd live there for a whole year and kind of just slowly learned as I was there and they didn't speak any English, so it was pretty intense. So eventually it came.

How much Russian do you know right now? Quite a bit. I can pretty much say anything I want to say and have any conversation. You know, fluent, but I have probably a bad accent and poor grammar. All right. Let me hear something. Let me hear my name's Jordan Jones.

I'm the winner of season six alone. I'm a badass in Russian. Yeah, me's Jordan Jonas. I've won't 6th season in isolation and I'm a

cool person. That's incredible. How many languages can you speak? Just two. English and Russian? Yeah, yeah. Wow. Got two down now.

It's just amazing how like, you know, their sort of vision of what they want to do even if they don't know what's out there to go explore I envy you that because you know I'm 48 and I haven't really done that much I mean right I went to college you know barely got through that I mean I don't know but like you didn't go to college right you said I'm going in freight transit I'm going to Siberia you know I got two years at college in so yeah yeah and you didn't like it you didn't like it yeah I don't know I didn't have a goal for it, so it would be just doing it to do the rounds, but I didn't have like a, it wasn't really a means to an end, so I didn't really see it through.

So, yeah, was your goal just to like, I'm going to go help people, build an orphanage, be a good person, be a, you know, and I'm just going to do this. I think so. I was just trying to follow my Christian path as I saw it at the time. So I was trying to like do that the best I could, I guess, as we all try to live our lives. best we can and i and i and i that's all that's well that was basically my motivation and then you learn a lot as you go i guess and uh yeah i don't know it's kind of one foot in front of the other type thing but it's it just blows me away because it's like you know you had good i don't know role models your parents you had a good family you went on freight trains you went across the country you were taking chances you went to siberia you learn russian you built for it's like you're doing more in like the first 21 22 23 years of your life than

most people have ever will ever do you realize that right yeah i don't know yeah that's weird i haven't i haven't thought of it in that way but it was i guess a pretty action-packed a couple of decades i don't know especially my 20s and stuff you know yeah i mean when you have you done have you done anything in your life where you're just like i can't do this is there you've tried that you're just like you know you win season six alone on the arctic which is unbelievable which we'll get into here in a minute you go to siberia learn russian nobody speaks russian how the hell do you even learn russian if no one could teach you how to speak russian it's like how do i say hello bros de vorechaman i don't know what the hell you do so it's like

what's one thing you just that you've tried no what oddly enough maybe it's like when i went over there too i was pretty young and in a way you're kind of idealistic and I wanted to, and you, I really fell in love with the native way of life and the native people. You know, they became some of my really close friends. But then you kind of feel helpless in, and you want to help them, but, you know, I don't, you know, I don't really know how. You don't really know how. And maybe that's something that I tried several times and several ways to try to, you know, raise money or, you know, just help by being there and setting up. certain systems that might give them an advantage in life and generally failed, you know,

as far as like, as far as doing something that was impactful in his, on the level that I would hope, you know, although things are always impactful on small scales and, you know, relationships and this and that. But, you know, I was always hoping to, I've sometimes, some ways I view that way of life as it may have been in like 1860s Native America where where there's still a lot of people living the old ways but they're also under siege from a lot of both internal and external forces and you know you kind of want to like help them make it through and and and thrive and I haven't found an effective way to do that on a broader level yet although we've tried several times in several ways

Wow. But it's probably a lifelong and many lifelong task, you know, but. Yeah. Did they, so is that where in Siberia? Is that where you sort of learned how to trap and you learned how to like have Yeah, a lot of that was living with the natives, you know, watching them do what they do and being a part of it. So, yeah, definitely.

Like living off the fat of the land, learning how to survive just based on. Yeah, really it's people doing it who've been doing it for generations. So it really separates all the wheat from the chaff of what you might, you know, want to learn if you were just trying to pick it up here in the States and watching, you know, videos are going to classes and stuff. It's like, you don't know if they're teaching you really works or what, you know. But yeah, that was that was the big lesson out there, I would say, where I learned a lot of that stuff. Were you ever like at some point when you're in Siberia or you're doing all these things and you're lying in your bed and you're looking up, at like I don't know what you're looking up at like wouldn't whatever are you ever thinking f this I want to go back home to the States oh in Siberia there were there were a couple

times where I was really miserable due to like some kind of ins either injury or uh whatever else uh that that I was pretty they're pretty rough feeling pretty rough but and then there's times that are, you know, we had a real, a real, like, you know, kind of times when your friends die or something like that over there where you're just like, man, this place is brutal, you know, but, uh, I don't know. I can't, yeah, I actually do remember. Now that you say that, I remember laying in my bed. And this actually was early on when I was still learning the language. But I just remember laying there and thinking, man, I wouldn't wish this on anybody. But that was like my, that was like my isolate the feeling of isolation that i was going through at the time yeah yeah to answer more

specifically your question and there are a lot of other times where i was really miserable but i don't remember specifically thinking like ah like i wish i could tap out or get out of you know like uh i guess you just know you're in it so you just go through it but yeah did you ever like were there did you ever get any fights in siberia were there any guys russian guys are like who's this american guy did you ever feel like anybody was picking on you or everybody was cool uh no no not really, I definitely got pussed out a few times, but I, you know, usually almost, I guess every time I would say, it was just somebody real drunk, you know, and there was a guy that pulled a knife on me, but he was super drunk and not that threatening. And then, yeah, it's

always, it's always, it's always that. I had a couple, there were a couple native guys that got in a big brawl one time, and I was sitting out in front of the teepee, and I just here, and then all of a sudden all the kids go running out of the tepee everybody's running and they those guys come falling out of it like wrestling over this you know this gun it's like a

SKS kind of like an AK-47 they're wrestling over I was like holy crap but you know bullets are just whizzing over our heads and I ran over there and like unloaded the magazine really quick while they were wrestling around and then let them continue wrestling but that wasn't really directed at me

but uh they're There are definitely a lot of chaotic moments. Dude, I love it. I mean, so were your parents kind of like, Jordan, I love you. I'm proud of you. They were patient with you. They just, whatever you want to do, the world is your oyster.

That's how you felt? Yeah, I definitely felt supported by them for sure. They were just like, you know, if that's what you feel like it's the right thing to do, you do it. And whatever the risk or whatever. So, yeah, they were pretty supportive on that front. yeah that's that's insane i just like for me i always talk about this but i'm like my father had no patience with me i mean maybe i was a little a d in all over the place but there was never i don't remember a moment where he said listen i'm proud i'm take your time it's gonna i never

heard that shit so it's a wonder why i had to get into a profession where i don't know it's just crazy the difference that can make you know my dad was really encouraging really man, you're doing a great job. So, yeah, you have to overcome something else, right? Wow. What was it like the first time you hunted or you ended up, you know, honestly, like killing an animal? Was that something like, was it a weird feeling where you, how did you feel about it?

You know, when you're, when you're native especially, you feel really a lot more part of the cycle of life in a weird way. Like, you know, like death feels a little bit more natural and it also feels a little bit more a part of thing. So I remember even just killing their own reindeer at times, you know, when they wanted to butcher them and stuff. And they're like animals and stuff you've been taken care of and this and that. But, you know, there's just a time for everything. And you realize your time will come to. And you know, it's just kind of, it feels more like, because you're around it all the time, you're always seeing animals die or this or that happen. It just,

it you're you feel more a natural part of the process I think yeah I could tell that was a thing I definitely noticed out there it was just like oh even like death amongst them it's as sad as anywhere you know like we don't want to lose loved ones but it was but it kind of felt more part of the cycle I think for whatever reason just because your whole life is surrounded by it because it's always with the animals and the people. Yeah. Yeah, well, I could tell

when you were in the Arctic and when you shot the moose with an arrow, I could tell you were like, the one thing I knew about you is you didn't want to see any animals suffer. And you couldn't get in there because it's dangerous. It's this giant moose. And while he's still going, you're risking your life. So as much as you wanted to get in there, it's sucked

to watch him have to suffer, right? Definitely. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I would have loved to put him out of his misery, but it just wasn't a realistic option. Like, the most likely option is he would have seen me, because at the moment, when I shot him, he didn't really know what hit him. He just felt something in his side and ran off and laid down. And if he then sees you sneaking in to try to finish him off, then he knows he's being chased,

you know, and then he'll get all this adrenaline and fear and jump up and run away, and you might never find him again, and then he would die in vain. or he might jump up and decide to attack you, you know, which moose do. And so it's like either way, it's a bad scenario, whereas if he kind of just calmly goes out, he doesn't really know he was being hunted, you know, he could tell he was looking around. He wasn't that, like, panicked and nervous, you know? Yeah. It was kind of a strange, but yeah, I did, I wished I could have made it happen faster, but.

Yeah. Your wife, I mean, good Lord. I mean, when you said you were going to do this, was she completely supportive or like, Jordan, no, you have kids. We're not, what are you doing? Right. Well, it was kind of, she kind of knew it was a perfect opportunity for me. Like, I think, I think my wife and my, some of my, you know, my siblings were probably more confident than I was.

They were just like, oh, you got this, man. This is the perfect situation for you. And, you know, of course, I'm just like, I don't know. we'll just see what happens. But the, she was also in that boat where like, man, can almost not say no just because it's such a good opportunity. You know, our usual work is just dirty, nasty, demolition and stuff.

And like even the year before the alone show working, I'd fell off a ladder and broke both my arms. So that was rough. So my wife had known, you know, knows that my day job doesn't go by without its own inherent risk. and stuff so I think she felt like it was kind of the perfect situation for me and so she was pretty supportive I think in the end she had a harder time than I did with the kids you know but but that's understandable I guess did you think you last 77 days did you think did you think

it would take 77 days what were you thinking in the back of your head like huh that's a good question like i actually thought i honestly person told myself the show would i know in no way and before day 90 so i didn't even think the show and i convinced myself so soundly that i that i thought at day 90 is basically when the show is going to start and then we're going to see who can stretch out the farthest from there you know so i thought maybe i thought in the back of my mind i was allowing myself like well if we get to day 120 then i think i'll win But I should allow myself to get to day 140. And then that, but then when I started thinking about,

oh, day 140, that's when I started getting stressed, man. I don't have enough fat. I don't have enough this or that. You know, so that's where a lot of my worry about my food situation came from, was thinking I had to make it 140 some days. What was your wife? Honestly, 77 was a lot shorter than I expected. I remember, like, watching and you, it was almost,

almost like, I don't know if you ever saw Reservoir dogs where, you know, and Tim Roth is looking in the mirror and he's like, you got this. You're so fucking cool. You're so fucking, you got, like, there was an element where you were like, he wants to convince them that he's part of their group. So I think you were convincing, like you were going to say, you were about getting ready for the helicopter to come down and like check you out to see if you could stay? Because they were kicking people off that they've lost a certain amount of body fat? So you, I remember when you're talking, you're standing there and you're going, were you nervous that they're going to tell me I have to go and you're like hey look I'm skinny I remember you going I'm skinny all right look

I'm thin but I'm tough I could I could handle this yeah what what were you thinking like unfortunately I didn't know what they were thinking so and I didn't know how much I weighed they didn't show us our weight and so I just had to guess and I was like I just looked at my gut and I was like well I still got a gut so I can't be that thin you know like but I don't know what they're thinking because you know here we are they are doing an extra medical check because that's what they're I guess their reason for bringing Janet Leigh out was. And I just thought they were doing an extra medical check because they were concerned.

And so I was just like, no way. You guys can't be concerned. And then I, like, couldn't sleep at night. I was like, they can't really be worried about me, you know? And so I was, but I was panicked that they were. So then I had, like, thought for several days about what I was going to tell them when this medical check game. Like, I'm totally fine.

You guys can't blah, blah, blah, blah. What do you want me to do? Push-ups, jumping jacks, pull-ups. right but uh yeah so i was in the mid mid sentence trying to convince him that i was my normal self because you know they don't know what that is and so uh that's when janellee came up yeah when she came up behind you because i didn't see i mean did did you feel that emotion hit you when you saw her oh yeah i was shock i mean that was that was like most shock i could feel i was uh again i didn't expect it at all i hadn't hadn't like given myself

that glimmer of hope at all yet i was just like i was just like so i was totally shocked i couldn't believe it and i was so happy to see her you know like the whole time i was thinking man it'd be so cool if my wife could come up here it would be so nostalgic for her you know because it's similar to siberia and she'd been there and uh and that's just what you think about the whole time so it was kind of a culmination of that but it was also kind of a culmination of like sort of your wildest dreams I wasn't really I'd never allowed I think just psychologically I didn't want to allow myself to think I was going to win because you don't want to be that disappointed so just like I'm probably not going to win it's you know blah blah

blah and I just talked myself into I'd kind of already and I think it was good for for your mental state but I'd already kind of convinced myself of the worst care possible outcomes one that it would go a lot longer and two that I wouldn't win but then I'd come to terms with those you know I was working on coming to terms with those like okay it's okay if it goes an extra another couple months it's okay if you don't win blah you know like so I was trying to come to terms with the worst thing so that I could only be pleasantly surprised and that's really what happened how much food did you have when they came to give that extra checkup on you did you have a fish in your I had a couple hundred pounds of moose still, and I had like six, I think I had five fish,

so like 60 pounds of fish probably. Well, okay, hang on, because they make it seem like you didn't have any food. Yeah, yeah, that was, you know, they got a crate suspense. But you were fine. Yeah, I had a lot of food. I had the Wolverine still to eat. I probably had 10 rabbits hung up. I had, like, I had tons of food at the moment, you know.

And the fat was dwindling, like a lot of that food isn't, like, loaded with fat, but I still had lots of fat. I still had plenty of fat for another month or two, you know. Did you smell like just ass? I smelled like, like moose and smoke. And I don't know if that's too bad. It was, I kind of, my clothes that I still have that smell like that, I'm like, that's kind of a good smell. That's your new nickname, moose smoke. Yeah, Moose smoke.

Did your wife say, you smell? yeah you know what i think when you live in the woods for a long time like obviously if you take a shower and then you like go out and you're running around for a couple days in new york you'll stink but then if for whatever reason if you're in the woods over months and you don't take a shower your body must like neutralize somehow it doesn't really stink and even my wife said that it's just weird you know i don't know what it is but she wanted you to shower you don't really have B. O. Or whatever weird reason. But she wanted you to shower before you made out or anything.

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being out there is it a boredom is it be uh missing your family or a combination of both for me yeah good question it was you have to fight all those things you have to like not allow yourself to get bored or that will quickly become the hardest thing out there. Or the same with missing your family. If you allow yourself to just sit there and pine over your family, that's going to be the hardest thing out there. So all those things you have to like preemptively approach. For me, the hardest thing was the unknown,

it's just the unknown period of time that you're out there leads to a lot of issues. So the fact that it could kind of go indefinitely or for a full year, It was just like, man, I don't know how much food I need to store up. I don't know if I'm like, if it's going to be a six-month TV show, I don't even know if it's worth it to miss my kids for that long. And so you have all these worries about the future that if I would have just lived in the present, I don't think I would have had a lot of, it wouldn't have been super difficult for me.

But it was all my stress about the future that actually ended up not coming. to fruition that that caused me the probably the most difficulty out there yeah you know it's like I think in in real life that's what it always is it's what is what always affects us the most and it's thinking of the future that we can't control yeah yeah and that's with everybody right it's like you know I'm thinking of like oh what if nobody listens next week well that's next week why are we worried about next week totally what if I'm what if I'm hungry in a month well I'll find another moose totally exactly i should have lived more in the present and i did a lot but but definitely all my stress a lot of what you hear me talking about on the show that's like oh i don't have enough of this

and that it's like me just being stressed about something that's way off in the future like i i still should have done all the same things probably but i shouldn't have allowed it to be so stressful because i really didn't have to be it was pretty did you almost die was there ever a moment where it's not filmed that you're like that I honestly was close to dying or I could die right now I don't think so I think the most dangerous point was

probably well you could always fall like every time you're walking out there it's so slippery when it gets icy that it's like it's stupid it's like you'll be thinking do not fall do not boom it's like that slick and so there's

always that and I fell a few times but the uh I imagine I imagine the thing that could have gone worse was the Wolverine encounter, right? That seemed pretty. But it's just one of those things. He just, like, he had, that had built up for a couple weeks by the time. I finally got him that it, it was very clear that it was kind of him or me out there on the island. And he was, he was taking my stuff.

He was taking all your meats. You, you built. Like, your home is my home now. Yeah, you built like this giant thing to keep your food. What do you call it? Yeah, food cash. or like a lobus and Russian but yeah right you can you built this thing and that bastard got up there and took it and again you're like man that damn wolverine you're so even killed i would have been like

you know so wolverines can take down things six times their size right they're they're fierce even though they don't look that fierce they're fierce right yeah they are they're for i've actually read one killed a polar bear in the zoo uh some time back here got in the zoo in the polar bear pen at the zoo but no the uh there they are crazy they can take down moose they just like jump on their backs and gnaw through their spine they're super tenacious little critters and i i hadn't dealt with them so i didn't know much about them i just heard of them all the time in siberia because they would all tell me about him about how man if a wolverine comes he's going to ruin your whole hunt for the year and this and that and uh but i don't think there's

many there's high population wise in siberia as in northwest territories because i just never run into one in all my years out there whereas here there were multiple wolverines running around you know but you took it down at night where you couldn't see much you had your did you have your light on your head yeah but like how close were you to it where anything could have changed something could have turned around and not going your way well it was it happened so fast like it was kind of led up to that because the night before I had kind of I'd like surrounded my whole camp with these

strings and cans so that if anything walked through I'd hear an alarm system go off and the night before I had heard the like clank clank and I was like oh gosh here he comes and so I got ready with my bow and I went outside and saw him come down and I saw I was like eyes looking at me behind the

bush probably about 15 yards away or something and I thought about taking a shot at him but I was like well he'll come out from the bush and then I'll shoot him. And sure enough, he didn't. He, like, closed his eyes. I lost sight of him because it was at night also.

And he, like, vanished. And I was like, man, should have taken a shot. Like, well, man. And then the next night, same thing happened. I was sitting in my shelter and I hear quank, clank, quank, and I was like, oh, gosh. And so I ran out of my shelter. And this time I saw him run behind the same bush,

but I didn't wait this time. I just sent an arrow in there. And it, like, ricocheted through the branches and pinned them to the ground. and I mean honestly just happened so fast that I just grabbed my axe and ran over there and he was like spinning around on the arrow and then he lunged up at me and I swung and hit him and swung again and swung again and it was over pretty fast but you know I definitely thought he might you know he could like a grab to hold of my arm or something and it would

have been pretty wild you would have been out right he grabs your he gets one slice on you you're gone. Well, you know, it would have been like having like a pit bull or something on your arm. You would just been like, and I would have been probably trying to stab him. You know, it could have gotten a lot gnarlier, had the arrow not held. Would you have stayed out if that thing bit you or sliced you a little bit? Would you have, like, found a way to stay there? I think I would have, like, it depends on how bad it was, but in my head I would have.

Like, it's like, man, I still have a lot of meat. I can, like, lay here and be injured and heal slowly and just eat if I have to. And then when those guys come... I talked about a bit with Joe Rogan, but like when I'd chopped myself with the axe in Siberia, I was laid up for like three days. I couldn't even move either of my legs because my other one had been, like,

had surgery not long before. I was literally just laying there in the teepee for three days. And I just pictured myself probably like that. If I had gotten better or something, unless they told me I had to leave, you know. Do you watch, have you seen all the seasons of alone or you don't really do that? you just yeah i do that's like the one show i watch i do like it how many times do you watch it and go what are they doing why are they doing it that way i mean even i who don't know what the hell couldn't survive uh like an hour i'm like going that looks flammable i don't know if i there's

there's some things uh i always watch there's definitely things you watch and you criticize maybe it's you're just not there so you don't realize but uh yeah what was i watching this season season seven i was watching it was kind of driving me crazy like just do this or you oh it was like build your fort build your shelter the guy didn't even build his charp flapping like his tarp was just flapping in the wind and driving him crazy i was like put some logs on your tarp good lord what is this lazy guy he's out for four weeks and he hasn't put up he's living under a tarp and then i'm like well all the details are maybe he has a good reason for not doing it but I was I doubt I was pretty uh you know I think why I signed up was

probably because when you watch those first episodes you're of the first seasons you're kind of like oh man everybody's afraid of a bear it's like oh perfect I'd love to hunt a bear you know so like I could do that and so you kind of sign up but you know you know of course it's different than you expect and it's easy to talk from the couch but uh so you're not afraid of a bear is they really they really show only a fraction of what you're doing so they might a lot of times people criticize you for not doing things that you are doing right you know and hey the women are tough man you know i thought i thought what's her name was going to beat you for a second i was like yeah yeah i mean but they told her yeah they were like hey you're losing too much body fat to both of them they're both tough as shit man all the women they get on there are just like i'm like they're tougher than any dude i know yeah absolutely I told me of that after the show when I saw her. I was like, you are tough, good for you. I mean, that's cool.

And then same with Nikki, same thing. She just didn't have as much weight going in. Otherwise, she would have lasted. You know, she did last as long as her body allowed. But you didn't have, you weren't a big guy. You were skin. You were thin. Oh, yeah.

I was in their same boat. I mean, I would have, I wouldn't, I'm sure they would have pulled me sooner because I would have gotten skinnier sooner. The fact is I just knew I had to provide way more food to have a chance out there. So I really put the pressure on me being like the skinny guy. I was like, man, I can't be lazy. I have to produce and be active and proactive, you know. Yeah.

How much did it change your life when in that $500,000? Because like people forget there's taxes. Yeah, well, the money itself hasn't much because it was like, like you say, you pay taxes. And, of course, I've always been self-employed. I don't have any retirement or anything. So then you put some into retirement and then you put, and then, we were living like a one bedroom house and so then we have three kids now so we got this other house and renovated it and you know it kind of goes pretty quick it like it's a good does a good

job of setting you up better and it's been super nice but it's not like enough money to live the rest of your life you know on on your post taxes winnings but it has also provided a lot of new opportunities to where now i don't have to uh you know now i'm not demoing buildings in Lynchburg, Virginia for a living I'm doing, you know, I have other things to do. So that's been super nice. Would you do it

again if they ask you? I bet you'll do it again. Yeah, it'd be interesting. My ears will be open. I'll have to hear what they have to say. Aren't you pissed that it's like, season six, win $500,000? And then the next season, one million. You're like, what the!

I didn't know. They shortened it, and they doubled the money. They made it at 100-day cap. Yeah. And they made it to where you could, you could last that. Like, so I would have had the option to stay the extra 23 days to double my money. I was like, heck, yeah.

I mean, I don't, I can't complain. I'm happy, but it was a, it was, was a rip-off. I didn't know you guys had an extra 500K lying around. But you know what? I always think like, you know, celebrities have to have it. When celebrities have kids, the kids got to be hard. It's like, my dad's a celebrity. like Bruce, you know, maybe Bruce Willis's kid or whatever.

And they're like, my dad's a celebrity. Look what I have to. How could I be that? I mean, do your kids look at you like, oh, my gosh, my dad's a badass? I got to be a badass. Or what do you tell them as a father to? I think they're too young. I think they're too young to know.

They'll grow up and watch it. Yeah, they don't know. We'll see. They'll be so sick of me. Oh, dad's dragging us up in the woods again. He's seen him in his stupid show. stupid do you camp with them you take them camping and starts to show them little skills yeah yeah we like to do that kind of stuff there we just had another baby so he's kind of

throwing a stick in our camping folks but uh yeah definitely like that's what I think a lot about when I'm up in the wilderness and doing things like that it's like oh man I can't wait to get the kids out here and this and that well you know I was thinking I read something where, I don't know if it's true, but are you teaching survival skills and getting... Yeah, yeah, we're doing, like, taking people out, like riding horses way deep into the wilderness and spending a week out in the, you know, out in the wilderness, just learning skills, but also just being disconnected and from the craziness and kind of, you know, having real life conversations and also learning about survival, you know, being in an awesome place, yeah.

What's it called? Is it called Jonas Survival? was it yeah it's just out of the on my website at like jordan jonas dot com there's a link to my survival courses there like you know i've kind of teamed up with this outfitter who has all the horses and all the you know land 300 like to do it on and it's a really good setup so how much is it for someone like me who wanted to come out there for a week and learn survival skills for a week what's what's a cost 1800 bucks but it's it's pretty intense i think it's a good deal like the feedback's been really good of the uh because you're getting like we're going way back in

on horses and having like a pretty epic adventure out there so it's like I think it's a good deal I've got had a lot of feedback saying like things like life changing and and like unforgettable is you know so it's been this is our first year doing it we didn't know what to expect but it's been so overwhelmingly positive how many people have come so far uh board oh you know rough there's been four classes, so roughly 40, but a little less, because some people cancel, so like, probably 35. Wow.

Does anybody, when you're in there going, I got to get out of here, I'm sorry, I can't handle this. Not for me. No, nobody has. There's, like, been people that were like, man, I wonder how they're going to do. You know, some people came who had never even been, one guy came, had never been outside of San Diego. They had never even been in a woods or anything, never

camping, and, man, he had a blast, and it was awesome. And, you know, and he learned a lot and had a new experience. And at the same time, we had a guy that had been to several survival courses, you know, and more hardcore ones than he had an awesome time. So it kind of runs the gamut of experience out there. But listen to me, I couldn't start a fire, even if I had a lighter. Oh, yeah.

I can't, I don't know what it's like to trap. I don't know how to build a tent. I've never done really shit, man. You can do it. You would have a blast. You should come out and do a week. It would be so fun. You'd have a, totally have a blast.

So what are things that you, like, while you're there? I mean, what are a couple things I would learn how to do? Because I'm, first of on, colorblind. Okay, you're colorblind. That's fine. Actually, colorblind people see movement better. So you might spot more animals than us. No, but the, you'd learn how to, like,

do we just get a stick and some fishing line, learn how to tie up some flies, you know, like for flies. for fly fishing, tie a little fly out of some fur, and then go catch some fish at the lake, cook them up, smoke them, you know, do all the preserve them. You'd learn how to build traps for everything from mice to fox to bear to what I. And cleaning, like cleaning a fish, you learn how to clean a fish, start a fire. Yeah, exactly.

Learn how to clean a fish, learn kind of how they behave. and how to fish in the survival situation like that in these high mountains. And then it learned to teach you how to build not only like a little fly rod, but also like a spinner rod, how to make shift, make some lures. A gill net? Do you learn how to make a gill net? Yeah, you could learn how to make a gill net. We don't do a gill net every time, but we did once.

So, you know, it depends on what people want to know because there's a lot to teach. you know so i just feel helpless they want to know then i would teach that specifically but yeah we learn how to make a little kayak and go out in the lake and anything like that would you do something jordan where it's like we paid you the right amount of money to come come out maybe to california go up in the mountains and check it out and then maybe do like a uh a different scenario like out west or something yeah that'd be fun i did something to check and do yeah i'd be open to the idea i'm telling you man i think it'd be a fun-ass show if I can get like 10 of my celebrity friends

and like go out with the guy, the winner and see how many people are just, it'd be hilarious. We could do that. We should make a show out of it. That'd be hilarious. Oh my gosh. You know, I'm thinking about, you know,

I could just see me, I can't do this anymore. Dude, it's been an hour. Calm down. What are you doing with yourself? I don't know, man. All right, look, this is called shit talking with Jordan Jonas. This is, these are from my patrons.

They ask some questions. Cool. Nico P. What advice? And this could be rapid or whatever you want. What advice? can you give to people who are looking to unplug more often from technology? Yeah, I would say, I mean, I don't know where the guy lives,

but if you get out in the woods, do some more spend time in nature and leave your phone at home, and you'll find after a day or two that you don't miss it at all. You'll actually be really glad you don't have it. It feels weird initially, but it's pretty, I don't think it's psychologically, healthy to be checking the news all the time and being mad at this or that or you know yeah hey you're frozen again so get so get out of ultimately just get into nature and put your phone away and leave your phone like don't be afraid to leave it behind and unplug you really won't miss it and say i promise jonathan p what's your favorite food to eat from the wilderness favorite and

favorite animal to hunt uh i really like eating uh i just love it when berries are in season up north or even here, the huckleberries, but it's just like paradise. Just berries everywhere. It's awesome. Of course, everything in nature tastes better, but like fish, fish trout's good. And favorite animal to hunt, I mean, it's hard to beat the moose because they're so big. Marissa, Ann, you've experienced and survived a lot in your life. What are some skills or lessons you hope to teach your kids so one day they can overcome

anything like you have? I would like to teach him resilience in the same way that I learned it from, well, hopefully not in the same way, but I learned it from my dad in as powerful of a way as you can. And that he, like, when lost his legs and lost all the movement in his hands to diabetes and stuff. And then he also had just excruciating back pain. All through it, he somehow maintained joy. And, like, he, you know, lost his job.

job because he couldn't work and he wasn't able to be productive. Mom had to go back to work. So there was all this emotionally difficult stuff for him to deal with, but and physically difficult things. But he dealt with it and approached life in a way that he was still positive and joyful. And we could learn, we learned a ton from that, you know, watching him go through that. And it puts so much perspective on your own suffering. Also shows you how to deal with, you know, trials that life had.

So hopefully I'll be able to teach the kids to, you know, hopefully I'll build an example to them a similar resilience and depth of character that will help them get through hard times and enjoy the good times. You know, you're a good man. You're just a good man who's brave and, you know, I just, I love hearing that. It's great, that's great advice. You know, Ray, Ray A, we kind of talked about this, but you just rapid fire. How do you keep your sanity being out there? I mean, you said you talked about it. There's a few things, but one, you don't allow yourself to get really bored.

So always stay busy. Don't allow problems to overwhelm you, but really separate what you can control from what you can't control. And then the things you can control do. You know, like so be proactive in solving your problems. Don't just allow your, because you saw on the show, I had a lot of issues come up. And you kind of just have to be like, okay, well, what's the solution? If there's a solution, then I should do that before I start complaining too much. You know, so it's like being proactive, being, you know, having a real attitude that's focused on gratitude

and the positive things going on rather than focusing on the negative. That's super important. You know what you just said, Jordan? You know what you just, what's funny is your answer, as much as it is so important for being out in nature. and alone. It's the same advice you give to someone now. Keep busy. Be proactive. Don't worry about tomorrow. If you have a problem, find a solution. Don't be bored. Keep busy. These are all things that it's life, right? It's so true, man. I guess so. It's like, there really are, they are universal lessons. They're so starkly before you in a situation like that, but it's the

exact same lessons you would apply in real life. Oh, again, earlier we were talking about right? not focus too much on, don't be so stressed out by the future that you're not enjoying the present, you know, and not being grateful for what you have. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So those are all parts of that,

how not to go crazy. Well, Leanne P says, I mean, again, we said this, but based on your experiences show, you would do it again,

right? You said, you're all ears. Yeah, I'm all ears for what they're offering. But they better not go back to half a million. It better be for a million. Yeah, yeah.

They better not go to the Sahara Desert or something. Well, dude, this, you know, this is, I don't want to take your time. I know your kids are there. Oh, I'm enjoying it. I love this. I'm not going to harass you or anything, but I will probably try to email you and figure out either how to get there to one of your explorations or something. I just, you know, I just was like, you know, you have so much patience.

I think that's what it was that I'm like, I want this guy to teach me because I won't feel like an idiot even though I do. feel like an idiot someone who has patience with me it would actually be a blast i think we should do it we should plan something somewhere i think it'd be worthwhile dude i would i would do it man i i in a heartbeat i would like i have a couple of friends who i talk to him like hey man i honestly couldn't survive for like five minutes i don't know if i can get out of the boat like when they or the helicopter i'm like so i'm like i want to learn some survival so i just want to learn how to build a fire i want to learn how to build a shelter i want to learn confidence so you're not like yeah

Yeah, yeah, totally. And I think maybe it will, who knows what it will do? Maybe all of a sudden it will be enlightened that I'm like, hey, I probably will be like, dude, this is what life is, man. This is nature. You got everything in front of you. Fucking use it. Yeah, yeah.

No schedules. You're just, what do you need? You need to catch some fish. Let's go catch some fish. You know, like that's it. That's it. Dude, this has been a real blast. I hope you had fun.

And I really appreciate you doing this, man. I appreciate the invite, man. It's an honor. And, yeah, you should just keep in time. touch i will keep in touch man you just you just you got it i told you guys you don't know this but i direct message in right after i saw the finale and i said listen i played a badass on tv but you're a badass in real life and i would do anything for you to come on the the podcast because i knew i just love the story and just hearing more from you i just it's i think it's more encouraging than a lot of

celebrities and athletes who come on here it's all great stories but this is like real life stuff and it's it's awesome so good luck with your family and the you know the new endeavors and all that stuff and i'll be in touch man i'm not one of those hollywood people who says yeah i'll email you i'll fucking email i actually look forward to it i think we would have a really good time let's do it me too man lastly can you give a shout out to my friends who made me watch the show just tom and denine oh yeah tom and denine thanks for having good taste and TV and plug him. I'm just plugging Michael in.

It's awesome. It's awesome. Hopefully, yeah. Hopefully we'll meet. Yes, give Rachel my love, your sister. I will. I go, can you give me a bio or something? She goes, well, I'll write some shit down.

And she did. So, dude, hey, all my love, all my wishes of health and happiness to you, man. I'll talk to you soon. Thanks, man. See you. man that was good i just uh you know i've had in the early stages of interviewing people i get some comments were like let the guy talk let the guest i sound like my stepdad good lord michael what the he sounds like king of the hill but uh you know this guy was so great

and i was starstruck i was just like so excited to talk to him i don't know why but that's how i i work i just i just couldn't calm down i wanted to ask him so many things and he answered them all So I hope you guys liked that as much as I did. And, you know, I'm sure people look at names and they're like, oh, Tom Welling, Smallville, I'll listen to that one. Jordan Jonas, I don't know him. Well, you should because I think his story is sensational. And he's a tremendous human being. He's a wonderful family.

It's just a great story. So I hope people connect with that. And I hope eventually the show gets to a certain point where I can just, I mean, I guess I could do it now. Bring on whoever I want, even nobody knows him. you want to keep people listening, but people sometimes are, they sort of, if they don't know then, they don't stick around. So I hope you keep sticking around, man. I hope you enjoy that. Let me know on the comments on YouTube. You could watch on YouTube or listen anywhere. What you thought. Thanks to all the patrons. Remember Rob Danson and I are doing another stage.

It will play some covers. I think we're going to play Take It Easy by the Eagles, maybe losing my religion. Play some originals and some couple left on Laurel songs. It's a blast. Great prizes. Take It Easy, the first song that my dad taught me not. play really yeah we still play it well i've been running down a road loose on my lord seven women on my mind that's a good a shout out to my loves that's the uh patrons thank you guys you know who you are well because i'm going to announce some of you now nancy d lea asked trisha f sarah the little lisa You Kiko. Jill E. Brian H. Lauren G. Nico P.

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Thomas T Matt W Belinda Carly Belinda N Benjamin R Lisa J I dated a girl name Lisa Jay. She's married and has a kid and I'm alone. Kevin V. Robert S. Joy W. Nicole M. Amber F. James R. Chris R. Snow R. Noah H. Noah K. It's not an H. So thank you guys. Thanks so much for listening today. Thanks for listening to the podcast, subscribing to it. I love doing this and I want to continue doing it. I guess sort of I thought about Ryan if you know you think about all the hosts you got

comedians who are hosts I don't listen to a lot of podcasts I don't want to be get ideas I just want to like this is how I roll this is like I don't know what I'm doing I just feel like I just I feel like I'm just a regular person asking questions that regular people want to know not does that make sense sure but my my goal I don't know my goal is I never thought of a goal other than hopefully having a successful podcast. But, you know, if it came where I could have a talk show and talk like I am now, I just do what I want to do and, you know, and have guests on and really get inside them, then I would like that.

I don't know how that works. You know, no one's approached me. So, you know, I feel like if it gets to a certain point and we, you know, it gets bigger or whatever and maybe I just do one and say, I mean, It is kind of a talk show anyway. It's on YouTube, but like to have like a network behind you and like do like one night a week. Like, oh. And now, Nick, coming up next, inside you with Michael Rosenbaum.

And it's like, yes, it's, uh, Will Farrell. Will. Followed by a Big Bang Theory Marathon. Right. Uh, it'd be kind of cool. I think I would do it. If it was once a week, I couldn't do it like Johnny Carson does. I just aged myself.

I couldn't do it like, uh, who? Like Steve Allen? Well, that's even older. Uh, no. I couldn't do it like Jimmy Kittle. And, um, you know, everybody. has their own personality so i i'm sure you guys listen to a lot of podcasts uh you know rogan has a whole wwee thing going on and he's like you know and he does these three hour interviews i don't know

how they do it and my buddy dax they do these interviews where they're three hours long and i just i couldn't do that i i i can't i can't i can't put a guest through it even though guests are dying to get on those other shows because they're great shows so i for me i just want to do an hour they're like, oh, that wasn't too much of an inconvenience. I mean, if I was doing three hours, I don't know if you'd be able to do this. Did you imagine editing these things three hours long? No, like you're doing a Titanic a week? No.

Oh, fuck off. Seriously. All right, thank you again to everybody. I say it all the time. I hope it continues. I feel like I'm very blessed. And I want you to know you are too. We're alive.

We're here. Get outside. Do something. Keep busy. And if you listen to the, you're obviously listening to the interview. You didn't just go, I'm going to listen to the outro. Anyway, good to see your eye. Good to see you too.

And that's it, guys. I hope you enjoyed it. Until next week, tell all your friends, email everybody, make them subscribe. And thank you. Thanks for allowing me to be inside each and every one of you. Hi, I'm Joe Sal C. Hi, host of the Stackin' Benjamins podcast. Today, we're going to talk about what if you came across $50,000.

What would you do? Put it into a tax-advantaged retirement account. The mortgage. That's what we do. Make a down payment on a home. nice. Buying a vehicle. A separate bucket for this addition that we're adding. $50,000. I'll buy a new podcast. You'll buy new friends. And we're done. Thanks for playing everybody. We're out of here. Stacking Benjamin's follow and listen on your favorite platform.