Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - JOSH DUHAMEL: Overcoming Self-Doubt, Intensity on Transformers & Finding Purpose in Fatherhood

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

Josh Duhamel (Ransom Canyon, Transformers) joins me to share his journey from battling self-doubt early in his career to finding purpose through fatherhood later in life. Josh opens up about his passion for men’s health and helping others focus on feeling and looking their best through his new brand Gatlan. We also talk about the intensity surrounding Transformers, why it’s important to fight for roles still, and the difficulties of a father imparting hardship surrounded by privilege. Thank you to our sponsors: 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/ (tell them we sent you!) ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and a weighting depth of 900 millimeters, the Defender 110 pushes what's possible. Learn more at land rover.ca. Dude, it's such a damn treat having you in the studio, though. I have heard nothing but wonderful things about it. heard only nice things like great things about you like honestly like i i i expected i was like what if it's his off day and then i show up late you're not i got a full hair and makeup team in there he's like this guy's no god damn well i did i'm not gonna lie to you when i said his makeup

team i kind of man i've never i don't think i've had anybody i think ralph machia had makeup he was doing press but here's the thing you were doing but you're doing something right after yeah yeah so i'm not i'm not proud of it you're not proud of what you're about to Kendra's great. I mean, she could have fluffed you up too, man. Well, but you sounded just now. I mean, it was, uh, fluff me up made me look good. You, yeah, I mean, I have a Zit right here and she said she has these little things, these like almost like band-aids or clear things you put on your Zit and the next morning, they're gone. Have you heard about that?

I've seen them on people. Yeah. Yeah. People actually wear them out in public. You can, like an invisible little sticker almost. You don't get acne anymore, do you admit it? Sure, I do. You get Zit. I don't believe it mostly on my ass do you I get zits on my ass yeah that's such the weirdest thing you're just scratching you feel a little bump and then you put the clandamycin or whatever the hell it is the spray I put on there and I put it on my ass yeah it works this is how we're starting

yeah we're off to a raging start this is a rager um yeah no I heard from uh you know obviously dax loves you and Nick Swartson and Tom welling and like all these they're like oh he's great he's great do you think that stems from childhood do you think that's how you were raised is a big part of it well i mean first of all i don't know if any of that's true i mean they are dear friends in mind so i think that they feel obligated to say things like that about me um but yeah no i do love those dudes i've known nick now for several years we're both big minnesota fans he claims he's the biggest minnesota vikings fan but i beg to differ he is crazy And he gets angry and people say otherwise.

Yeah, no, he's crazy with the Vikings. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He once left his Vikings jacket over here at a party once. And he was like, dude, where's my Vikings jacket? I go, the one that you left? Yes.

It's here. We'll put it away in the closet right now. I'm going to go get it. Yeah. Is it that old vintage one that he wears? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's the one he wears everywhere he goes, especially at a game. But the parents. Did you have a good upbringing? Yeah. And I think you're, you're, you're, we're about the same age. I think that parenting back when we were kids, it's very different than it is now, you know, and I, and I, and I, I try to emulate what my, my parents weren't, I mean, they were, they were, they loved us and they gave us whatever they could, but they didn't have, they were not doting. They, they let us run free. You know, I think the part of what I need to do a better job of as a dad is to get my kid, you know, a little bit more independent.

Let him go out and make mistakes. You know, I was gone from morning until the sun went down. Me too. You know, and I think that we were, granted, I was in North Dakota. I wasn't in Los Angeles and it was a different time, but it's hard to sort of impart the same things your parents did or didn't do onto your kids, especially when you've had some success because we grew up with, you know, not much. We didn't have a lot of money.

We weren't, we weren't. In North Dakota. Yeah, we weren't poor, but we didn't, you know, it's not like I had to go out and in, make my own fun i had to go out and get a job at an early age i had to do all these things that i need to sort of you know you're trying to make your kids more independent in in the in the world we live in that's got to be really difficult because everybody's glued to their phones everybody's looking at a easy way to make money yeah uh you know everybody's looking it's just so different now it's like school is sort of an afterthought it's like i don't have to

and it's got to be scary for a parent too because they're like oh i don't I'm going to go to college. I'll just be an internet sensation or I'll just do these. There's so many things you do. Make 5,000. How many those do you see on Instagram? Make $5,000 a week doing this. Make $10,000.

Here's how I did it. By the way, why are these people showing us how they did it? Exactly. There's got to be a catch. Well, I'm sure that there's some sort of a pyramid scheme behind it, right? If you sign up for this, it's a, you know, the first 10 minutes are free, but after that you got to pay us, you know, a monthly, whatever.

Yeah. I don't know. But how do you do it? How do you do it with your kids? I just, you know, I think that, you know, thankfully I have an amazing wife. Audra? Yes, who doesn't have the same sort of, you know, she doesn't want to wrap him in, you know, bubble wrap. She's like, she's like, no, this kid is going to learn how to be independent.

We're going to make him responsible. He's got, if he's got homework, he's off the iPad. You know, she's like very diligent that way. That's good. And strict. But she loves him and he loves her. So she's obviously better at it than I am. I admittedly am not.

is tough on him as I probably should be, but he's a great kid. I don't want to come down on him if I don't need to. But at the same time, he's not as independent as he needs to be. So I think he'll get there. But I guess my question is, how do you impart, how do you impart hardship on a kid when you, when you have more than you had as a kid? You know, because you work so hard to have all these things. How do you downplay it? To pass on to your kids, but that's not always a good thing you know i feel like um you know it's almost like you have to manufacture circumstances that that force them to go sort of be independent earn their own way yeah you know but i don't know maybe it's like you know i'm not a father i have dogs but like i feel like if i'm

if i was talking to my kid i'd say listen i want you to be awesome you know i want you to disguise the limit but I really want you to pay attention to, you know, when I was young, I didn't have all that and I didn't have all this. And I want you to be a nice person. I want you to have a big heart. I don't, I don't want you to be an asshole. And I just want you to, I want to raise you the way just so you don't become an asshole. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to do, just manners and nice. And I'm sure they have manners and all that, right? You kind of demand that. Yeah, he's a great kid. He really is a very kind kid. So that, part, we're nailing. It's the knowing that he's going to have to go out and make it on his

own. I don't want to just think that, oh, you know, I got a nice cushy, you know, everything's going to be easy. You got to go out there and you got to make it happen. So to answer your question about my parents, yes, they were good parents, but they didn't coddle me. I had to go out there and figure shit out of my own. Yeah. And I need to do a better job of that myself. Well, we didn't have instant gratification. We didn't have like what, you know, what's a rubber. You just hear about what a rubber is. In fact, you know how old I am when I'm saying rubber. Yeah. You know, which reminds me I was in Vegas once. And this prostitute came up to me and I had a, don't ask me why, but I had a fanny pack on. And she goes, what's that?

I go, that's my fanny pack. She goes, what's the end of fanny pack? I said, prophylactics. And she goes, what's that? I said, rubbers. And she goes, crazy. I just, I love that fucking moment in my life. So then you took up to your room? Yeah, of course, and the rest of history. But were you a, have you always been tall? Like, did you grow fast? Because I was short and I grew after high school.

I think I was on the tall side. I was never super tall. I think I grew more towards the end of my high school and early in college. But I was always, I guess, on the taller side. You were athletic. You ended up being a cool. quarterback, right? You were a quarterback. I was. Um, Minus State University. Really? Yeah. Did you excel? You didn't hear about me? Oh, yeah. Minus state. Yeah. How, what was your, uh,

past attempt reception? I think, I think, I think, I think I, I still have the record for most yards per pass attempt. I only, I only attempted seven throws, but connected on, connected on five of them. And one of them went deep. So my average was... Were you popular in high school? Yeah, I think so. I mean, I was... Again, we were...

Mine at North Dakota, it was... It was not like it was a school. It was a pretty big school for North Dakota, but it wasn't like... I had a lot of different friends, actually, you know, now that you mentioned, I hadn't thought about this for years, but, you know, I was on the basketball team, but most of my friends were on the hockey team. Right. And all these years later, those are still my friends, yet I still have a bunch of friends

that now that play on the basketball. So I didn't really, you know, fall into one category. I just sort of was, you know, somebody who got along with people, I guess. I don't know if that means I was popular. I was pretty shy. I lacked confidence a lot in high school, yeah. So how did you get in acting then? I don't know.

You know, it was one of my biggest fears. I always wanted to do it, but I think that it was because I was, I was so I'm not shy but just lacked that belief that I could go do it and there was a lot of reasons for that but I think that it was wasn't until I well there's a few couple things that happened that sort of got me over that hump because I didn't have this belief that I could walk into a casting room and just crush it I always thought that I was going to go in there I was going to I was going to I was going to fuck it up and then they were going to laugh at me and then I laughed that was always like my mindset which is terrible I was

wouldn't wish that on anybody but you know there was a point in early on in my uh you know early days of trying to get my first job there was there was a there was a scene in this for this movie it was a it was a student film uh david rozenbaum that's my uncle you know him no my uncle's actually his name's dave rosenbaum yeah he was he was he was not a director yeah he was the director you now works at disney it's another jew you're talking about Yeah, he, you know, I had this scene where I had to, it was, it was an adaptation of a picture Dorian Gray, and I had the scene where I had to lose it. And for what, and something happened in the thing where I just lost it. And I saw their eyes light up. And I was like, oh, shit.

I think I got the job. I like, I like seriously affected whoever was that was casting this thing. And it was that moment that I felt like that's what I have to do. I have to go in there and not give a shit about what anybody thinks. You just go for it. Because I was so concerned about what people were thinking that I was it yeah I know but it it like it it it overcame whatever I was trying to do in in the audition and I think that was when I first started to believe that I could do it but before that it was just a one mess after another in these auditions but after that after you kind of lost your shit in this audition do you think that that was it smooth sailing after that in terms of like confidence or were you do you still get nervous in auditions or do you still

did you still deal with that? Because I'm someone who can kill it and recognize it, but then why am I getting all nervous all over again? I abuse myself over and over. Yeah, me too. I think that's probably not a bad thing. I think you've got to have some of that because you've got to be able to work through it.

And I think we somehow figure out a way to use it. Yeah. If you can harness it in some way. And for me, I just, I couldn't breathe. I was sweating. I was just like, I was so nervous and so self-conscious that I just, it took me. Once I got past that and started to trust it a little bit more, but, you know, that whole

thing lasted all the way through my, you know, in this business, like, 25, six years now. And it wasn't until like five years ago that I think I finally felt like, okay, you do belong here. Isn't that something that's, that's almost like me. It's been like the last five years, I feel like I've mature is a big word for me, but matured in many ways. And sort of not, I care less. Yeah, I was just going to say you probably care less. Like, I still want people, you want people to like you. You don't want to be an asshole.

But you're not going to do everything you can to make them like you. Right. You're not going to. Yeah, it's tricky. And it's like, you know, it's finding yourself and finding who you really are and just learning to like, I guess, like yourself. Yeah. You know, did you think you've, you've always never had a problem liking yourself?

You always like, hey, I'm a good. guy like myself or were there moments in your life where you're like ah i don't i don't really like this guy i still i still struggle with that you know it depends uh but yes i i think that you know like yourself also just not like you say not caring so much all you can do is show up and just be okay this is what i'm going to i'm going to treat everybody with respect i'm going to do what i you know i'm not going to i'm going to i'm going to you know be inquisitive i'm going to ask them what you know I'm going to you know treat them with the dignity they deserve right and if they don't like me and if they think whatever about me I can't I don't care you know that's what I used to you know

really go to all ends and make sure that you know everybody's happy everybody's happy yeah total people pleaser yeah not as much anymore you know not that I don't care it's just that I don't put as much effort into it because I know that you know you can only do you can only control so much And most of it is, you know, if they don't, it's probably their own insecurities or whatever shit they're dealing with. There is a power in like letting go and not wanting to control everything and just going, okay, I know this is happening and just letting it go. Yeah. As long as it's not, you know, something awful, but like, you know, little, the little things. I'm a little OCD.

I'm a little this. So it's hard for me to compartmentalize or just lay back and just go, hey, it is what it is. Like I'm always thinking of worst case scenarios. but I'm better now, but I'm definitely better. I mean, did you ever suffer with anxiety or depression or any of that stuff? Probably. I mean, I, you know, I think that it, yeah, for sure. I mean, it was, I don't know about depression, but anxiety for sure, you know, this fear that I didn't belong,

this fear that I was like, total imposter syndrome. I would put tremendous pressure on myself to deliver because if I didn't, I didn't, know what else I was going to do. Same thing. So it was like this, this, this constant sort of unnecessary beating down to myself. And people would be like, dude, I know. You got to be easy on yourself. I was like, no, I don't.

That's what I have to do. That was like part of my process, you know, as an actor in the beginning. And it was so. Debilitating. Yeah. It's debilitating. It's fucking exhausting. Yeah.

It really is. But once you're, you're right. Once you can let that go and just, you know. I'm going to do the work that I need to and I'm going to be in and there's a lot of freedom within that because once you get to the place where you don't care as much that's really when your work starts to shine because then the less you care the more you can flow

the more you can just sit in the scene and just react and I never understood that it's like sometimes you're just so confident and you're not exactly sure why and everything just comes out of you and you're just you're calm and it's some of your best work and other days you're like why am I one edge a little bit why am I worrying so much? Why am I?

And you're feeling like, why can't I just relax through this? Because they say when you could just, you know, less is better when I don't have to try so hard. That's, I think that just takes practice, doesn't it?

Yeah. It's easier said than done. It is. It really is. It's not an easy thing to sort of trust. Timothy, you know, Timothy Busfield?

I know the name. So Timothy was on, uh, was it 30 something or? I think it was 30 something. red-haired director, really good actor. Anyway, he's married to, um, played Laura Engels on Melissa Gilbert.

Really? Yeah, he and Melissa. Oh, wow. Um, anyway, he taught me something way back then. He's like, dude, it's like fish, it's like fishing in the stream with your hands. If you're jabbing at the fish trying to get, you're never going to get one. But if you sit there and just let it come to you, you'll catch your fish. Wow.

I was like, well, that makes sense. Yeah. you know again easier said than done easier said than done i mean i look at your body of work and you've done so many things like i mean obviously the transformers franchise did stephen spill really pick you out is that true so this is what happened uh leslie feldman who was who's been his casting director forever uh she's she she she she casts a lot of the dream work stuff she cast me in i mean there's been a couple cases where he's really helped me along he's never actually cast me in anything so i'm not sure he's that big of a fan um he okay the first one was on

win a date with tad hamilton yes he was and and uh robert lucettic told me this after i got the party goes you know i showed we had to show all the screen tests to you know the the the heads of dream works and speilberg said that if i was if i was casting i'd pick that that kid was i was like oh my god he said that and then years later wow on i was on another dream work show las vegas yep and i had i had these scenes where i was just coming bad PTSD coming back from iraq and it was these pretty heavy sort of the beginning of season two i think it was and i was you know all all fucked up from from coming back from my rack and uh he had seen the the stuff and And he told Michael Bay to take a look at me for it.

And that's when Michael Bay calls me in. I go on an audition for Michael. Michael tells me that this is the story. So I called Leslie, and I said, Leslie, that's the second time Stephen is like recommending me. How do I think this guy? How do I even? She's like, well, I'll call him. I was like, what do you mean call?

He's like, here, hold on a second. Dink, tick, puts me through to his office at his house. He picks up. and I sat there and talked to him for like 10 minutes. You know, and I didn't really know what to say because I just like brought it up to her two minutes ago. Jaws.

You know, exact. So I was like, Mr. Spielberg, I don't even know what to tell you, but I thank you for, you know, having faith in that. For, for, for, it's just twice now that you've done this.

I don't know how, I don't even know how to thank you. But he goes, yeah, just go, just go in there and do what you did with, you know, the,

like if you can, if you can do what you did on the, on Las Vegas and those, when you had the PTA, do bring that to it and he just talked about you know the what he would try to push me to do so that's that's the story in a nutshell how did you ever meet him oh yeah so you have when did you meet him i met him uh i've met him several times but the one that i remember the most it was a pretty embarrassing story well first of all when he comes like you see him and you go

he locks eyes you could tell he knows who you are i think so like it's it's like it's like he's a wicked smart guy i mean you know this nothing gets gets past this guy he's an avid reader uh and he he he's he's the nicest dude you can imagine he's just there's you know sometimes you think that these guys who are like the most successful in in you know the top of the food chain are going to have this air about him that's just like bigger and better than anybody else but not him He's like a super sweet, affable guy who, so he brought me, so they were casting this other movie for, I think it was something, I forget what the name of it. I don't think the movie was ever even made, but he had me in just to read this girl that

he was looking at. He wanted somebody to read with the girl, so they brought me in. And it was one of those things like I told you before, auditioning. I got so fucking nervous. So I've known this guy for years. And I got so nervous just knowing that I wasn't even. up for the part. I was just helping them cast this girl. And that was one of those cases. I'm like, dude, when are you going to get over? This was like well into my career. I still got nervous.

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I met him once. I won a Saturn Award for Best Actor. And he won an award at Saturn Awards. And I saw him and he had the award. And I go, Mr. Spielberg, hey, look, we both won. And he's like, oh, yeah, look at that. Congratulations. And I go, can I just get a picture with you?

Yeah. I was like a fan. I just got a picture of this. I have a picture of me and him holding our Saturn Awards. That was it. Yeah, that was it. I mean, look, my exchange is not much bigger than that, but, you know, that's, but the fact that he saw you twice and recommended, recommended Michael Bay see you for that. By the way, Michael Bay, he's an intense guy.

Yep. He's an intense guy. I remember, I was on a hockey trip, Jerry Brookheimer had a hockey tournament every year. we went out and Michael Bay came out and we were staring at the standing on the palms the highest they had one of these see through uh floors so you can see you know hundred stories down yeah and i'm just up there with him is that the ghost bar the ghost bar yeah and i remember i'm just up there with him uh for some reason like it you know somebody around and we just started talking i go can i ask you one question he's like yeah i go she had to pick a moment of your entire career

It was the best moment of your life. It was like the most exciting adrenaline-fueled moment in your career. What would you say? And he goes, Pearl Harbor, I had an aircraft carrier for three hours and being in control of that aircraft carrier, tell them to turn the fuck around and getting those jets the right way and this and that and just that moment to me. And I was like, whoa, it was intense. Working with him. Is it intense working with him? Yeah, it is.

I mean, I love the dude. He gets a bum rap. I think that he kind of likes it, I think. I think he likes it on this, you know, the whole Michael Bay thing. But he's very intense. Most of me because of examples like you just said, most of the times I was working with him. I was always the military stuff. So we were in those situations a lot.

black hawk helicopters or creating these big you know explosions where you're running through this sand dunes with explosions going off and guns firing everywhere you know so he all those scenes that we had were so high tension and so many things were riding on it like you can't just fuck one of those scenes up or you're done you know it's another three hour re-so he he's in yeah so he's all about like making sure everything uh you know goes off without a hitch and And so, yes, he's intense, but I guess he kind of had to be to pull off some of the big Air Forcey stuff that we did. Do you think that a lot of people on set were kind of scared of them?

I think so. I think that, you know, if there's one thing that I've learned as a director is not to have your crew operating out of fear. And I think a lot of times on his sets they are because it is, there's so much money in the line. So he demands perfection. And, yeah, and he's, and he's, he's intense. So I think that that is one thing that, that, yeah, he definitely expects a lot out of his crew.

I heard the story where, uh, he was on set. And I went up to Billy Bob Thornton because he was at a bowling alley. And I saw him and I go, hey, can I ask you a question? Is this story true? He goes, what story? I go. And I, and I start saying. And he goes, yeah, he's like, yeah, I'm on set.

And we're shooting Armageddon. Was it Armageddon? Right? Armageddon. And he goes, and it wasn't Michael's fault at all. It wasn't Bay's fault. The whole fucking cast, all of us are fucking around. We're just fucking around.

And he's trying to get the shot. We're fucking around. Owen's making jokes and fucking so-and-so's making jokes. And finally he goes, that's it. Shut the fuck up. I don't care. Who speaks next? I don't give a fuck who you are.

You're off this set. You understand me? Not another fucking word. And then Billy Bob Thornton like turns to one of the castmates. He goes, So honey man, I was telling you. And Bay just fucking laughed.

Did he really? Oh, see, that's the thing. He goes, fucking fuck. you you know he's like he's got a sense of humor it's just like he's on these you're right he's in this moment this movie has to yeah he's probably part of him he's like freaking out he wants to you know the studios to love him he wants the movie to be great he wants everybody to be great so he's got a lot on his plate yeah so it's hard to be to do those kind of movies that's a great that's a great example because he is a lot of his a lot of it is just bark not as much

bite because he gets very mad but then you fuck with him and he just and he he laughs it off you know it's it's never personal yeah uh tell me about gatlin because i know this is your personal journey and i think it's it's amazing you know uh you know raising kids off the grid and exploring longevity and you have this new men's wellness brand which i was looking at and it's awesome what was the reason behind this and and how would you describe it so this is you know it's It's one of those things that when I first, you know, my friend Fabrian brought me this idea. They'd been working on this idea at the time. It was called a mortal male.

And it was a TRT company, testosterone replacement therapy. And I had been doing it for like five years. So I was like, this shit works. I love the idea of it. But I cannot, I can't go be the face of this. Can I? My agents were like, no, you can't do that. That's, you know, that's a secretive thing you should be doing.

And then I thought more about it. I was like, you know what? No, this is actually the perfect thing that I should be doing because it does work. It's something that I completely believe in. And, you know, and I'm really into, you know, health and wellness and longevity, trying to stay as young and, you know, athletic and, you know, being able to roll around with my kids in the ground for as long as I can. So that's really what, you know, what the reason I got into it was because I knew that it works and I knew that we could really help a lot of people. men now are getting into the female side of it too really help you know people of our age you know live stronger live longer you know and and and you don't have to that necessarily taper off as you get

older you can stay you know younger much longer than your dad ever could it's amazing and I think that that's really why I wanted to do it and I was like why would I you know I've learned a lot of secrets and a lot of guys in this town that that do it and I've had people asking me what are you doing I was like, nah, nothing. Just living that healthy lifestyle. Because you said, like, early on, you felt shame. Like, yeah, you didn't want to, you know, I don't want people to think I'm on this or I'm taking treatments for my hair and all this thing.

And finally, you said, fuck it. I'm like, man, man who's, you know, in my middle age, and I want to have longevity. Yeah, I want to. And so I think it's brilliant. I think it's just, I mean, it's brave and it's something that we all need to hear. It's like, I take testosterone, you know, just to be. at a normal level yeah you know um you know i saw like a little patch in the back of my hair like a little area and i was like huh so finestricide right and uh so you on your website gatlin you provide

all these things that people could take yeah right yeah it's a telemedicine company so you know so how do they do it so what happens it you know it depends on what you're after for t rt it's a little bit more to do because we have to you have to we have to get your blood work in. So we'll send you to get your blood or we'll send somebody to take your blood to test your levels. Depending on where your levels are at, we will put you on with one of our doctors all through all through Zoom. It's all telemedicine, which is really nice. And they will tell you what you need, where you're at. And we just, it's as simple as that. And then we send you whatever it is you're looking for, whether it's testosterone or, you know, hair growth or

GLP1s or. What's that? That's like, uh, Zempic. It's like the semi-glutides. Do you do like BCP? I don't do that one. I don't do the GOP ones. Oh, that's what that is right. Yeah. You don't take that either. No, I don't do that. But I do do the hair. So what is it? What do you take a pill? Yeah. And you notice a difference? I haven't gone bald yet, but I've been doing that for a long time. Right. You know, I thought you my dad went bald at an early age. So I was like, I don't know. I want to go bald. You know, I think most guys out there that more than anything they are terrified of losing their hair so i you know i i was very proactive in my preventative maintenance as far as the hair right um but yeah but then i

realize this you know the peptides are amazing we don't we don't sell peptides yet but you know the testosterone and uh you have ed stuff too uh yes we do we sell ed so next time you get a boner you can think of me i i will no it's important it's like look you can't be perfect you're not 20 anymore you're not 30 anymore so you get older it's like there's nothing wrong with popping a little pill right and pleasing everybody you know what I mean god I still got it that's right baby I still have it that's right so what do you do go to gatlin g-at-l-a-n dot com yeah and then you could start looking into all that stuff rappamycin's another good one I don't know if you heard about this one's that so dr. lufkin we have one of the foremost longevity doctors in the world

is our medical advisor because people aren't going to believe me. They're just going to know that I do it. You know, I'll put them there, but, you know, we need, we need, like, we needed somebody who really understood what the science behind this stuff. So we partnered with Dr. Lufkin, and he taught me about this rapamycin, which is pretty amazing. So what it does is it, and I'm going to give you the very rudimentary definition of it, but it was, they found, they found like back to.

in the 40s or 50s that it was they were using it and he can explain it's a natural sort of thing that grows from mushrooms or something but what they found in rats and later on in humans is in higher doses that it would it would suppress your immune system enough so that people who were who are getting organ don't or um transplants transplants like a new kidney or whatever it was it would suppress their immunity so that their body would accept whatever organ they were getting. But then they found later on

that it also, in lower doses, blocks this mTOR protein, which is basically the protein that causes aging. So rapamycin there's little to no side effects to it. You take it once a week and it's supposed to suppress

that protein that causes aging. That's the very basic. And you take that? Yes. And how often you take it once a week? Once a week. And how long have you been taking it? About almost a year.

Because I've noticed, like, if I look at your Instagram pictures and the dates, you look a lot younger. No, but honestly, you see the effects. Yeah. So I, you know, and this is part of the thing, too, is we really want to be the company that people go to not only just to get whatever medication they need, but also what's the latest and greatest. What do I do to a company, whatever I'm taking, whether it's a GOP1 or testosterone, own or peptide or whatever it is how do we best make these work like you don't you want to you want to

change your habits a bit too you want to eat better you want to work out just because you take testosterone doesn't mean you're not you're just going to you know get buff you need to you know you need to work for it yeah i mean yeah diets diet's huge it's it's it's i think it's the biggest part of everything you know it's like what you put in your body and i'm not always great i'm not always great and you shouldn't be and nobody's pretty neither am i i just said pizza before I came over here. But do you notice if you don't snack or eat late at night, you feel a lot better the next day? That's my biggest thing, honestly, is my eating at night. If I could just stop doing that. Yeah, because I have popcorn, but it's, it's olive oil.

I cook it an olive oil. I pop it naturally. I know, as natural as you can pop it. I got a popcorn maker. So I eat a lot of popcorn. Yeah. With like a, what's that salt? Himalayan salt. Oh, yeah. Now, do you think? that's that bad? I just think that, you know, if we could just stop the eating at about six would be a lot of the wrong. I'm hungry too. So what the fuck do you do? I wake up at three in the morning. I'm starving. Yeah. So is there something you could eat maybe at nine? I think that there's it has something to do with our glue. I think it has something to do with our sugar levels. Right. You just got to normalize it. Get used to it. I think maybe some people say you have to eat more protein.

You won't get those same cravings. I'm not sure exactly. I'll talk to Lufkin. Lufkin will be able to tell us. Lofkin. Um, but yeah. That's, that. That's my biggest thing, too, is I eat too late. Yeah. Yeah, I just got to be better at that. Yeah. Bombas makes the most comfortable socks, underwear, and t-shirts. Warning, bombas are so absurdly comfortable you may throw out all your other clothes.

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because she's smarter than me she's uh she's her reasoning it's the maturity women mature so much faster than men do yeah so what was it about your wife that you you just said this this is it i mean besides the fact that she was super hot yeah well i didn't go there but yeah she's hot she really is she's she's really beautiful hot uh but honestly that wasn't what i what that's not what keeps you really wasn't i mean she really is she really is a beautiful girl but she's also she's got great parents she's got a great family she's uh she's extremely uh scrupulous like the girl is not she's not you can trust that she's going to show up when she said she does you know she just does the right things and she's super smart she's

She loves me. She cares. She truly cares about me. She cares about my son Axel, which, you know, which is huge because I wasn't going to, you know, my number one prerequisite when I, if I ever met somebody off, was going to be the have to love my kid, too. Otherwise, it's just going to be a mess. Yeah. And she absolutely loves the kid. And he loves her.

And she's been great. And so, you know, obviously she's an amazing mom. You know, there's a lot of things. And she's as mature, if not more mature than me. you know and she's 21 years younger than me yeah so you know we don't even we used to make it a big deal but it's not even the thing it's not i mean she likes to make fun of me about it a lot you know what it is the older you get you start to realize who's going to be there for me when i'm at my worst yeah really when i'm at my worst when i feel like shit where i just i don't

feel smart i don't feel confident i don't feel you know who's going to be there and who can you truly, truly be yourself. You don't hold back. You say things and sometimes they get pissed off at it. And you have a conversation about it. But, you know, it's taken me so long over the years. And sometimes it just happens. It just happens where you're like, all right, this is cool.

Now, I don't know where this is, this is very early. This is a year I've been seeing this woman. Does she want to have kids? Not, I don't think so. I don't, yeah, we're kind of. You have an asteria? Indifferent about kids. Yeah.

But we're both at the same place. We're like, ah, you know, it's like we have a, you can have a good life without kids. And, you know, it's, uh, because I think that people forget the idea of a child is, is, is beautiful. It's great. But things have to happen. Like, uh, when you have a child, you have, they become the center of attention. Not you anymore. It's not about you.

It's about them. And I didn't grow up with that. Like, are you an only child? No. No, I have brothers and sisters. But my mother was like, you know, she still wanted the attention. She was like still 16 years old in her mind. And that affected us. And she did it inadvertently, I think, you know, but it's it's not as easy as people make it out to be. Like, do you find having children is as easy as a breeze? Hell no. It's a lot. I mean, you're right. You know, I'm by nature a selfish person too. You know, I think. think that most of us would probably admit that my wife is not she's always she's she just even with her nieces it's just all about them it's always all about everybody else so i knew that she was going to be a great mom you know for me i love kids i really do and you know and it scared me to death that's why i had i was almost 40 when i had axle but then something happens you

don't even think about you know that shift from me to them it just happens you're just like oh my god I'll do anything for this kid. So it's not even a conscious decision you make. It just sort of happens. And then you're like, you can't imagine how much you love this little thing. And everything becomes about that. And I think in a weird way, it makes us, it makes us better people in some ways because we take so much of the focus off of ourselves, at least in my case. I can't speak for anybody but me.

But that's, you know, I was, if I didn't have kids, I'm. might be in a much worse place really yeah you think that having children made you a better man it just it just forces you to grow up and and think beyond your you know your own little universe gives you purpose yeah yeah do you feel like you uh you're able to maintain friendships or it's really about work and family and when you have time for a friend great but like you find that you hang less you're not talking to people as much you know it is that it is that is true sometimes that's a good thing though sometimes it's like they're a great excuse i can't i got to go to this i my son's with my kids tonight but but uh yeah i mean again it's just you don't really think

about it that way but it just sort of naturally happens you know i don't play nearly as much golf as i used to because it takes five hours and those five hours i'm usually you know doing something with them unless all just says get the fuck out exactly go do your own thing please go do something Did she ever do that? She, yeah, often. Yeah.

But you never say it to her. Hell, oh God, I'm not stupid, Michael. Do you still audition? I, not as much as I should,

honestly. So you direct, right? Yeah, I have directed, yeah. So I just directed a movie in London. What was it? Called preschool. I'd love for you to see it.

I just finished. Oh, my God. I'll screen it here. Yeah. It's about these two dads who are fighting to get their kid in the last. spot in this super pretentious preschool and we'll sabotage and undermine and undercut each other

are you the lead in it too yeah me and this guy named michael soka uh it's an all british cat we shot it over in london anyway my to answer your question i realized in the casting process of that that i was not auditioning as much as i should because i think one of the mistakes many agents make in this town is that, you know, they put their actor into an offer only category. You know, he's only, he's offer only. He doesn't audition.

Yeah. But casting this movie, I had this, Antonia Thomas, Charity Wakefield, two pretty well-known actresses. He's very, very talented. One's on, one's on the great right now. Oh, wow.

And Tony has just done, whole bunch of stuff that they could easily be offer only actresses but they went out they put themselves on tape for it and sent it in and as the guy when you're on the other side of it you know as a director you see that and you're like oh my god there's nobody else to play this but that person because they showed me exactly what they would make so oftentimes i'm like i don't need to be offer only i want to i want and so i just i just switched agencies and i told them listen i don't want to just if there's something we love please let me go get it myself on tape Because the director needs to see it.

I would rather them see what my interpretation of it is anyway, you know, rather than just sitting back and I sit up here on my throne and say, I'm offer only. It's just to me, you know, so that was a real sort of humbling moment to see, you know, really, really talented people put them, put their ego aside and put themselves on tape and go after it. I think also it's a little nerve-wracking when you get an offer and then you go on set thinking this is what I'm going to do. if you audition for something and they like it

and they go this is exactly what we want you know what you're doing that right so sometimes you're like you get there and you're like oh oh he wants me to do things a little differently or like oh shit okay and it's it's harder yeah it's more of a challenge it's not like oh you just want me to play myself oh you want so I understand what you're saying about that

like you're willing to fight for a role absolutely yeah I love I think you have to you know if you really want to go get let me tell you another great story And I don't know, hopefully Tom Cruise doesn't get pissed. I think he'll love this. Oh, good. But a story that was told to me in this process of changing agencies, I met with a bunch of different people, one of the agents told me, John Sachs is his name.

He said, listen, we're not going to be able to do everything for you. You're going to have to go fight for this stuff yourself too. And I love that because they didn't tell me they could do everything. Like, you're going to have to go get this stuff. And he said, Tom Cruise, perfect example. There was a movie. I forget the director's name. this was recently this director was making this movie that he hadn't heard about and he calls his agent

and says why haven't I heard about this script they said well he goes send me the script he sent it to him he reads it that night the next day calls his agent says what's the director's phone number gets the gets the director's phone number calls him over in myorka or something and says hey so-and-so this is tom cruise i just wanted to say i heard you cast leo in this movie and i just want to say he's going to absolutely crush it for you. You know, you made the right choice. I just want you to know that I'm a huge fan of yours. And I would love the opportunity to work with you at some point.

That's Tom Cruise. He goes, that is what Tom Cruise, that's how he operates. You know, so for me, who's nothing compared to that sits here as an offer only, you know, it's just like, I think that we all have to, you know, take that into account. Like that's the kind of, that's how aggressive he is still. And he is literally top of. of the food chain. Yeah.

That's amazing. I bet the director loved hearing that too. I think we wouldn't love to hear that. Yeah. Anybody. I think we should all do a little bit more of that, you know? I have people on here all the time. I just had these directors who direct.

I'm a big horror fan. I just could fucking see. But they directed talk to me and this new one bring her back. And I'm huge fans. And they sent me the screener. I love both their movies. And I was like, put me in something. I would love to work with you guys.

I mean, it was like, let them know. Yeah, absolutely. I agree with that. I think that you should let, even if nothing ever comes of it, they're going to remember you. Yeah. You know, and I think that that's how you keep yourself in the game. And that's how Tom Cruise has probably stayed, you know, where he is for 40 years or whatever it's been. It's funny.

I've met him twice. And the first time was like, honestly, a minute and a half. I was introduced and we talked. Then he sees me at this party. and he's talking to someone he turns and goes hey michael right i go yeah what and i go uh what's your name again cruise but like i couldn't believe it that's that's the guy he is yeah tell me about ransom canyon like you you've done one seat one season one season you're going back hopefully here's something this week if not next week i know someone who watches

Ransom Canyon. Who's that? Amanda, your girlfriend. No, she doesn't. Oh, well, way to bring that up. Somebody just told me they love Ransom Canyon. One of my friends, it wasn't Amanda. I think it was Jill Wilderman, but loves Ransom Canyon. Do you want to do another season? Yeah. Is it hard? No, it was one of those, it was one of those jobs. It's really fun, actually. We, you know, because I've got this place out in Minnesota where we, you know, I do a lot of ranchy things. I'm on a tractor. I'm doing something. I don't have cattle or horses. I really do. And, you know, I remember when I talked to April Blair, when she first talked to me about this show, I was really in that mindset because I was out there for the summer and I was in the middle of some project. And,

you know, and I just love, I love, you know, some of this, these two families who have been battling for generations about land and about the, now it's about the water rights under the land. And, you know, they're going to, they're going to divert it to the Austin Water and Power. And so it's a whole thing um and so i love you know and it's about it's about passing the land down it's about it's about legacy i love the look of it too yeah it looks great it's beautifully shot really good mighty ducks that's what you guys loved you loved him in mighty ducks season two coach cole yep that's what it is that's what you said i was thinking about that yeah that was uh that was fun too did you have fun doing that i did i learned to skate again for the first time in 30 years

I played hockey as a kid and hadn't been on skates. I bet you picked it up after a few sessions. You started skating around. It's not like riding a bike. It's not easy. No, it really isn't. It's not easy. It took me a good month to get comfortable on the skates game.

And I was supposed to be an ex-pro. I play every Monday night. Do you really? Hockey every Monday night. Did you grow up playing hockey? Yeah, grew up playing hockey. I was the, I'm trying to sell a hockey show right now. Okay.

It's Netflix. So cross your fingers. But yeah, I love, I love hockey. And I remember Steve Bril. Bill called me up and because he created that yep and he uh he said hey there might be this part for you as a coach and oh you'd have been great coach call no but like me at it like no no i'm just saying i think it was just well scheduling or whatever and then i heard you got it and i was like fuck yes i mean first it was fuck yeah and then it was yes but uh that's got to be cool

to be part of a franchise yeah and steve was great steve was the guy the brought me on. And, you know, he put me through the ringer on the skates for the first time. He's a pretty good player. He plays with you? He hasn't played with me for a long time, but he used to. He almost got in a fight with Brill once. Yeah, he's pretty chippy.

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Demel. I was right. DeMau. Because you look at it and some people go, are you sure it's not Duhammel? Has anybody ever said that? have you seen studio the studio only the first episode yeah so so so yeah yeah somebody mentions your name there's a whole episode with me being cast as the kool-aid uh the kool-aid guy are you

serious yeah and i and i didn't know what somebody did was watching who told me about it and that's cool and i was like yeah it's cool it's you know i love rogan and i was but you think they would have called me and said like hey you mind if we use your name and likeness for this or at least how do you pronounce your name because they pronounced it wrong what they say you should at least said how do you pronounce your name they didn't even they didn't do what they say do ammo well that's they said it as a joke though they might have I'm yeah it's probably a joke that they said do homel maybe because they're it's but it's a it's an easy name to they should have just asked you I don't care listen I'm so you aren't upset no no I'd be honored I'm kind of

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Distress. Yoga. You yoga? I do. Does it really help? It really does. Because I had a really bad knees and a bad back. and I started doing yoga several years ago

and really hot yoga is really good. It's fixed. Is that only for good looking guys? No, it's good. It's good. Especially, you know, if, if you got knee problems or bad problems or if you're looking for a girlfriend, dude, I have problems.

You're probably the only guy in there. When I'm lying in bed on my side and my knees are together, my knees hurt. Yeah. So I have to put a pillow up. It's because we're, you know, early 50s, man. It's normal. Linda M.

What goal are you working towards? right now making your son more independent there's a lot of them you know what's the big one top of the list what's the question exactly what are what goals are you working towards now like what's a new goal that you like to attain well we'd like to have another baby really that's a big one um and then you know really sort of launching this company Catlin, yeah. Nico P, how, that's his name, Nico P, how easy is it for you to receive feedback

from loved ones? You're all right. It's, not easy, actually. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I get uncomfortable when people are complimentary for some reason. You don't like, you don't take common as well. Maybe it's, yeah, I don't know, I feel uncomfortable with it.

So somebody says, I mean, I like it. Hey, you're a great actor, you're like, oh, thanks, thanks, but you don't want to hear it. Not necessarily. Unless it's Spielberg. Yeah. My friends, I got a group of friends for like the last since kindergarten. Yeah. I don't think they've ever watched anything I've done.

Or if they do, they tell me that I sucked in it. Do you love that? Yeah, I do kind of. I grew up in Indiana and when I did sorority boys, just as I dressed up in drag, I've never heard the end of it. Oh, yeah. Hey, look at me. I'm Rosenbaum.

I dress up in girls' clothing to make movies. I'm like, I didn't even know what to say to that. So Taylor R says, what is your favorite pastime? My favorite pastime would be just, you know, messing around at the leg. I'm always doing something. I'm dilly-dallying with some project at the lake. It's usually name the project at my, out of my lake cabin. Can you fix anything or you're pretty good?

No, but I'm better at it than I was. How do you learn just by doing it? Just have over 40 miles from anything, so you kind of have to fix stuff. You know, I hadn't changed a tire or, you know, changed a spark plug or, you know, fixed anything. You know, when you're here in Los Angeles, there's not much to fix. But when you're out there in the woods and you got nobody else to do it, you have to you sort of forced to do it so i think that that's been really good i could change a tire and i could change the oil in a car i could do those things um but

i have some common sense but sometimes common sense just gets tossed out the window and i sometimes like do stupid things to try and fix it and it's just not smart hey but at least you try Dennis G, what are your thoughts on the use of AI and media moving forward? Tough one. Tough last question. It is unavoidable. Yeah.

I think that it's sort of found its way into every little part of society. I think there's a lot of good, but I also think it's pretty scary if we don't, if we don't put some guardrails on it. Yeah. I think especially in the writing space,

we have to somehow protect the writers yeah absolutely i think it's great like you know yesterday i went into chat gpt gpt and i typed in maybe an itinerary for this city where i'm going to be in of what to do and dude it was awesome really it was a great itinerary just type it in make the itinerary i want laid back i like to go to little shops i like to eat you know food casually not fancy shit and I just put a whole bunch in there. You just typed that all in and I typed it all in there. I've never once used it. Isn't that?

Do you try it. If you're thinking of like, what's, what's a fun? Give me a few things to do in North Dakota for my wife's birthday that I wouldn't think of. Just, just go in there. See what it says. Maybe you'll think of something that you didn't think of. Yeah. So what do you do?

You just, I don't even downloaded that. It's an app. You go on. You can just chat GBT in your browser, hit it, and just type. in something and we'll type it up really you don't need to do anything else and there's so many other apps too like i'm trying to do uh direct a movie right now and um i'm making a pitch deck so you can go in and to this one app and get a picture an image from the movie that you want and it's just a i and it looks fucking beautiful you can get it that way and then you put it into another app and

it will give you five seconds of like uh movement of this creature that i'm I'm creating. Wow. And it's, it's pretty crazy. Yeah. So there's a lot of good, but yeah, you got to protect. There's another, there's another app, and it's an AI app that help, it's supposed to help

directors. I actually looked at it for a minute before we started, just to see, like, if I was missing anything, it's called Nolan, probably after Christopher Nolan. I forget the guys' names who made it, but it's pretty amazing. It'll spit out a, you know, storyboards? Well, it'll, yes. it will but it also spit out of schedule for you if you want

like how many days can we do it what can I you know it'll it's unbelievable see that's cool you know and it'll it'll it'll read the script and tell you where you might be short what doesn't make sense you know there's a lot of you know there's a lot of so I could put my script in there

and it will read it what characters you think might be coming up you know underdeveloped oh man you know it's right that down will you know Nolan N-O-L-L-A-N that's pretty cool it down um i love i love i love having you here um this has been great gatlin is such a great idea i'm i'm really proud of you and i kudos to you for creating something that's going to to help men as they age and you know optimizing the best things that are out there to make their lives better and more

enriched and fulfilled and healthier and uh i think people should definitely check it out i know a lot of folks that take testosterone that it really helps i'm one of them and um you know there's so much more to it and i think that's that's great that you're doing that they just go to gatlin gatlin dot com g-at-l-a-n dot com right um i'm gonna text you probably sometime of like certain things to do like routine-wise with my health because i think you know a lot of stuff okay and the other stuff you told me to take yeah we would we would be more than happy to help you out with whatever. Yeah. And I could put you in touch with Lufkin too. He's the master. I just love that his name's Lufkin. Lufkin. Dr. Lufkin. Dr. Lufkin. Dr. Robert Lufkin.

This has been a real treat. I hope Ransom Canyon comes back. Anything else coming on? You're directing a movie. Preschool. When does that come out? Preschool comes out. I don't know, sometime in 26. We haven't even finished it yet. So I'm not even done with... I can't wait to see it. Yeah. I can't wait to see it. You have to let me see that when that comes out. Wasn't there something else you wanted to be in a while? I have a movie coming out on the 27th of June called Off the Grid. Off the Grid. And then another one, September 19th, called London Calling.

So I got a couple things coming. You're non-stop, man. And then I got nothing for years after that. Nah, I don't know about that. But you still love it? I do. You do. You love it.

You love being on set. I do. I love that we get to go do this for a living. Yeah. You know. It's pretty special. yeah yeah that's another thing gratitude you know yeah just being like as shitty as something can be just taking a step back and going hey i still have this i still have my friends i still have my

dogs i still have certain naming things that you're grateful for it doesn't matter what business you're in every night do that it's every night every night every night close my eyes and i see a picture of my grandfather's face and i smile and i and i think positively i try to and you know you know you got to do it every day uh rod surling not rod surling rod steiger the late rod stiger who's the he was the brother and he went an oscar but he was the brother in on the waterfront yeah brando yeah i did a movie with him oh you did it was his last movie and he's like hey you doing the day kid i said i'm doing all right he goes try missing one yeah like try and missing a day like just be grateful you're fucking yeah no kidding so uh hey thanks for being here hey it's true what they say about you michael

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Visit canadalif.com slash employee benefits. to learn more Canada life insurance investments advice love you Josh that was awesome thanks for coming on the podcast excited about your your future and your new new thing you're doing I think it's great for men and the world so a lot of good stuff and if I screwed up your name in the intro you know I screw things up constantly so that's just the way I roll all right you know it's time to uh did we really talk about the cruise we really didn't No. No. So in brief, we went on the Smallville cruise and I was nervous. I didn't know how I would be on a ship of that size, of that magnitude with all those people and a lot of fans. I didn't know if my stomach would act up. I didn't know if I'd get seasick. I didn't know. There were a lot of variables that I was worrying about. And that that's anxiety, right? Like you're saying, what if? What if? But it hasn't happened. So, I kind of had to stop those things, those thoughts and just get on the ship.

And let me tell you, after seven nights on the Royal Caribbean, Caribbean, I'm a cruiser now. So if Royal Caribbean, if you're listening to this, you want to throw me some free stuff, I loved it. I love that there was always food around, they had shops, you go into port, you do excursions to the beach or to the ruins or to wherever you are in the world uh they had a casino they had bingo and karaoke and i think everybody from the patron smallville the smallville fans in the cast i think most everyone had a had a great time me especially i had so much fun that two days after i got back from my cruise i booked another cruise and it wasn't a smallville cruise just a regular one a regular one a regular the cruise. I love it, man. And I asked my friend Ethan. He's like, nope, not for me. I'm like,

dude, don't be like that. You've never gone on a cruise. You don't know. Yeah, it's just not for me. But you don't know. I said the same thing. My girlfriend's a cruiser and she was like, you know, I think you're going to love it. And she was right. So thank you, Jack. Thank you Jack for getting me on board. Literally. Literally. And figuratively. I just, I love it. I love. it and i had some issues like stuff with like you know medications that i was taking at night and i mixed it with dramamine don't ever mix dramamine with a sleeping pill ever i did that and i my motor skills went out like it was scary i didn't know and i emailed my my doctor and he's like you know that i'm like well somebody you think something over the counter like dramamine but you got

to be careful with like sleeping pills and stuff yeah um i felt like my legs were heavy hard to walk um i I would go, hey, so this guy goes into a bar and he's, uh, I don't, I don't know the rest. Like that's what happened. It was, it was scary. I was talking in my sleep. I was saying some weird stuff. I said to Jack, I said, hey, um, I just was walking the dogs and I fell down. And I don't, she's like, what are you talking about? We're on a ship. And I go, where's Charlie? Oh, no. And she was concerned. But it didn't last long. So I was okay. But that has nothing to do with crews that's just poor choice it wasn't sea hysteria either no no no i loved it i thought the food was great i thought the drinks were great they had a pizzeria open all night damn you could just

get pizza whenever you want you could have room service foods included but you could have them bring it to you for at a certain time every morning for breakfast crispy bacon and eggs and all this stuff And I was like, this is great. It, you know, it's kind of like camp. I just felt like it's, it was relaxing too. Three days in, I was relaxed. And especially I had, it was a small little crew. So you think, you know, he's not going to be, I'm going to be, there's a lot to do.

I was tired. And that's true. But part of me, by day four, I was just like, this is really, this is really fun. Anyway. So, all right. So, all right. Thank you guys so much. We have the How Deep Is Your Love Patrons and the top patrons and all this stuff.

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he's like is it weird that we're friends and i'm like no i'm friends with patrons i don't you can support me if you want i'm not going to tell you not to give show money I mean and then I was just like dude you can do what you want you don't have to do anything nobody has to do anything no that's the truth if you just watch the show and just support it and spread the word that's more than enough uh thank you for listening i'm michaelosenbaum from the hollywood hills in hollywood california hollywood california what i say usually los angeles california no you should say hollas yeah i'm ryan i'm here as well ryan's here yeah and uh proudie he's a new producer on talk

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