Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Justin Long

Episode Date: May 12, 2020

Justin Long (Accepted, DodgeBall) joins us virtually this week to share stories of love lost and why he doesn’t hold onto the feeling of ‘the one that got away.’ Justin opens up on the inspiration for getting into the entertainment industry from the need for attention and validation. We also discuss his passion for acting, his experience with online trolls, and his current mindstate with everyone staying home right now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. How are you? Tom Welling, Kristen Kruk, and I have joined forces. One of my charities of choice is the Ronald McDonald House, Los Angeles. As you know, I do movie nights, and I haven't been able to do those. I try to, you know, get dinners for families and things like that and help, you know, ask people to help me. Anyway, omaze.com slash reunion is teamed up with Smallville. So you can go there to amaze.com slash, it's OMAZE.com slash reunion and donating you're a winner already.

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he's my guitarist and he works for them and he's amazing and I'm a $99 club member so maybe you'll join one and come and join me we've got in the outroes we've got a lot of good stuff

we got shout out to my patrons we got oh just a bunch of fun stuff I'll read a fan letter I always like to read fan letters tell you a little bit more about what's going on in my life and your life hopefully

although I can't hear you but I hear you trust me I freaking hear you also the inside of you store inside of you online we're getting get i know you guys have been asking black shirts cool new black shirts cool new gray shirts cool new hoodies i've never had a hoodie so we got hoodies and a bunch of stuff coming uh shout out to brandy edie um for helping me out pretty good weekend you know i've been watching a lot of classic classic movies i still do the horror movie night with my friends uh name drop you know john heater the plane dynamite uh he and

I watch horror movies together. In fact, we love horror movies so much that we're like, you know, and we're always bitching, where have all the good horror movies gone? But John and I thought we'd just do a Patreon exclusive. So it's John Heater and myself. The podcast is called Where Have All the Good Horror Movies Gone? We're going to have it on Patreon soon. My Patreon, for Insight of you with Michael Rose Mom, is just kick-ass, man.

What a great community. In fact, I've been doing YouTube private YouTube. YouTube live videos just with my patrons. So it's a couple hundred of us and it's a lot of fun. A lot of people are sort of doing things differently for this whole thing, this whole coronavirus quarantine stuff. So, you know, I like to check in with celebrities or, you know, my grandmother, who's the biggest celebrity,

I checked in with her last week for the Dave Bautista episode. Great episode, by the way. Thank you for listening. Thank you for watching. Thank you for spreading the news. And, you know, we did a. Stephen Amel on the Grant Guston episode. We did, and now I'm waiting for my good buddy.

You know him from It, Part 2. He was, he had probably the biggest part. He was in the movie back in the day with me. Shadowhunters, Isaiah Mustafa. Just want to check in with my old buddy. He lives around the corner. I want to check up, see what he's doing, see what he's up to. I mean, he's also the old spice guy,

so he's probably got to keep his body conditioned. Although how many commercials can he shoot right now? I don't know. So let's talk to Isaiah. Hey, man, thanks for doing this. We're doing these little intros. Just catch up on my friends, see how they're doing. So, you know, people are quarantined and, you know, everybody's doing their own thing

and trying to keep sane. How are you keeping sane? Are you, is working out part of your regimen? Is that how you keep it going? Honestly, man, like, I think the best or the easiest thing for me was to just find a routine. Like, once I got into a routine, it was good. But, you know, you have those days where you just, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're, striving for normalcy.

So you're married. Lisa's a wonderful lady. Now, do you, is it hard during this where you can't, you're always on top of each other? You like having somebody around. I do like having somebody around. I love how you say it, like having somebody around as though like, you know, like she, like I just need somebody around. No, like, no, but I do, I do like having my wife around.

But she has her own office. I have my own office. We separate during the day, come back together sometime in the evening. have dinner. So, you know, it's nice. But I got a knock. I got a knock before I go in her office because that's like the rule. Just knock, you know. Porn? Is that why? You're watching porn in there? I don't think so because the audio that I'm hearing is, um, sounds like a business meeting. But unless they're doing business meeting porn nowadays, I really don't see that out. Hey, uh, let me ask you real quick. You miss Shadowhunters ever? You ever miss it? I miss the fans.

I miss the cast and crew, the people up in Toronto and stuff. Like, you know, like just seeing those people every day and stuff like that. Yeah, I miss it. I don't necessarily miss, like, I, you know, I mean, I think everybody would say that. You probably said this when you were on Smallville. Like, you know, there's days where you're like, man, can we do something fun with my storyline? Can we do something different, you know? Or can we, you know, can we get a more in-depth storyline, you know?

I don't know. I think the fans would agree with me that that Luke, the character, Luke Garraway, never really got his due. But then again, I always say this, like, it wasn't the Luke Garroway show. It was about, you know, teenagers with crazy superpowers. He was just facilitating. Hey, man. People loved you.

People loved you. You live by the Y.A. novel. You die by the Y.A. novel. You know what I'm saying? How much do you miss acting? How much you miss work? Because you know, you were a big movie, It Too. I mean, yeah, I miss it all the time.

I think I'm, I don't know, like, I don't know how other actors feel about auditioning, but I love the audition process. Like I actually love going in, meeting people and saying stuff like, you know, I don't know, just getting able to kind of work in a room in front of people. I like that process. I don't know. I just, there's something about it that I did because it's instant either.

It's instant like instant results. You know whether you did a good job or you know whether it's not going any further. That's true. Well, look, man, I love you. I don't want to keep you. I told you'll just be a couple minutes. When are you going to bring you back on the show? That's what I want to know.

You're like, we're irrelevant to again, motherfucker. You can come back whenever you want to come back. What we're trying to do now is because we've had some repeats. We're always trying to get new people. But, like, I have favorites. You're my boy. You know, back in the day. If you haven't seen back in the day, he was great.

He gained 30 pounds for the roll. Man, I gained 30 pounds like three weeks ago almost. Like, the first two weeks of quarantine, ooh, I picked up some weight. Like, it was crazy. But you're still hot, even when you get heavy. I'm a handsome big man. I'm a handsome big man. All right, dude, I love you, Isaiah.

Thank you for joining me. and I'll be talking to you. All right. I love you, David. I love that guy. That was great. All right, now let's get into our main guest. And remember, we'll talk to you after if you want to stick around for the outro. If you've got nothing better to do, you want to hang out with me. But let's get into, this guy is pretty dynamic.

He's fun. I almost got him to say a couple things. But he was pretty open and he's a good dude, man. I really, I liked him. I genuinely like him. This is, let's get inside. of Justin Long. It's my point of you.

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Oh my God, the poster. Yeah, I thought about bringing a poster in here. I have a Back to the Future poster. I don't know what to do with it.

Well, all right, no. Here's the issue. I just saw that movie for the first time. Can you believe that? What movie did you say? The jerk. You saw it for the first time? I know.

I know. It was such an important point of embarrassment for so long. I never lied about it, but I came close. I was so ashamed. That's so good. And it was as good as I thought it would be. It was better. Right.

I was angry that it had taken me so long. First of all, thank you for allowing me to be inside of you, Justin. Yeah, I'm a little nervous about being inside. Wait, are you inside? Yeah, you're inside of me. By the end, things could change up a little bit. Okay. You know, it's funny how you start.

The first thing you see is the jerk poster. I've had this conversation with a lot of people. And, you know, people will come in the house and then they see posters and autographs. And, you know, they're like, Oden Kirk was really cool about it. He was kind of fascinated by it. But, you know, guys like Dax are a mutual friend, Dax. He doesn't, he never asks for autograph. He doesn't understand it.

He tries to get into my psychology. Oh, like, why do you need that? Why do you think you need that? What does that do for you? Is that what it is? Like why you need to... It is a strange thing, autographs for adults, I think. So you don't get that?

When I was a kid, I remember really wanting... I got Eric Dickerson's autograph. All right. Rams? Yeah. Eric Dickerson, the football player, the Rams. The Rams, yeah. And it was funny because he said, he wrote,

God bless Eric Dickerson. and I never really saw the comma. It was a black and white photo. He was blessed himself. As a kid, I just read it as God bless Eric Dickerson. I remember thinking like, I mean, he's great, but it's sort of conceded. You know, that you would write that, but. And at night, at night, at night, at night, you'd be going, God bless Eric Dickerson.

That was your prayer every night. I just thought it went without saying. I thought God had already blessed him. Obviously. With those great skills. You know, God-given talent. When I was a kid, I was really into the, in autographs. It's a thrill, yeah.

And certainly now signing an autograph, like, a kid is such a, it's such a nice thing. You know, it's, the few times it's happened. But it doesn't really happen anymore. Now it's, everyone's got a camera on there. But wait a minute, Justin, you were in a Galaxy Quest, and your character was like seeking autographs and things. I don't, I don't understand. You're not like your character?

I, you know what? And this is very hypocritical thing to say. Because I, now that I think about it, I have a signed Flamingo Kid poster, Matt Dillon, a buddy of mine got Matt Dillon to sign it. And that was cool. It's cool. I got Michael J. Fox to sign my secret of my success poster. So I don't know what I'm talking about. I, yeah, somebody that I really admire in autograph would be cool, I think.

I've completely reversed my position. You've changed your mind. You know, here's the thing with me. You got inside of me and rewired me. Well, you know, I'm just, I don't know what it is, but like, especially with heroes that you grew up watching. Oh, yeah. When you meet them, it's like, like, it's not like I go on every movie set or every TV show, but like I worked with Stallone and the people know this. And I waited until the last day.

I knew that we, our camaraderie, we had that going. We had, he was like, hey, look at you. He called me dot face because I, like, had the CGA dots on my face. Hello, look, Pippi Longstocking. So I. That's pretty good. What was he like? What was it like?

Awesome. he was and I love this by the way because you you have a show life is short what's funny is like I didn't get it at first the name was like life is short and those weeks ago life is sure that's cool no no no I didn't realize I didn't put it together with Justin Long I'm an idiot like life is short or just it is it is it is like it is simple it's what it is it's like people like I found it was really hard to name the show something as simple as that it was strangely complicated we had lists we do with this company Wonder and they had ideas and to come up with that as simple and perhaps dumb as it sounds, that was, believe it or not, the best thing that we came to after a lot of deliberated. We didn't deliberate about many things, about the format, about, you know, what we, the things we wanted to talk about. But that title took forever to land on. Well, you know, I don't know if you found that.

I did. And I think no matter what the title is, you're going to, people are always going to say, oh, this, that. You just got to go with like, oh, this is cute. This is charming. I remember we had a clip that went viral and it was on Stern. And Stern was like, he was going, oh, this is a clip from inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum.

Oh, it's like a double entendre. He's inside of you. And he, but, but then Robin was like, oh, we love him, though. He was, he was Lex Luthor. And she's, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they used to talk about that show all the time. But I was like, dude, come on. I mean, you know, he gives everybody shit.

But, yeah, yeah. It's sort of like a badge mark. It's kind of like I got to meet Don Rickles. God, rest is beautiful, funny, so I got to meet him. And he, of course, he gave me shit. And all my friends, he mocked all of us. He made fun of all of us and threw around a couple slurs. And it was like, you, I expected, it's what I,

expect it's what you hope for when you meet somebody like that. Absolutely. When I'm on set, you know, so when I went up to Stallone at the end, I go, hey, that's a wrap on me or whatever. And I go, would you sign this Rambo lunchbox? You know, and he's like, you got a Rambo lunchbox. How old are you? Is this for you? And he signed it, you know, and he was cool, but it's just like, it's one of those things that if I decide not to be an actor again, you know, anymore, if I, down the road, I retire, I move to someone. little town like grew up. And I got friends that come over from the Midwest and like, oh, dude, Sly sign that. That's cool. I get that. And by the way, you know, you're doing a show. You're

interviewing people. I'm interviewing people. And so it's like, it's weird because I really love doing this. And sometimes I read the comments and every once in when you're like, oh, you know, sometimes you'll cut people off or sometimes. Yeah, because I get so excited. Do you find yourself doing that where you just get excited talking to someone? Yes. I'm very into, um, affirming. things. I really like to affirm. Yeah, I get a little over eager. I was noticing when I first started hearing the interviews played back. I was saying, what was I saying? It was weird. I can't remember now. It was something like okay or I was affirming too much. Or maybe it was just, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I may still do it too much, people who listen to the show. But I think I've

gotten a little, you know, you learn over the, because you've been doing this for a long time, I'm sure. Not that long. I think it's like 100 and something episodes, 105 episodes. But long enough, Mike, where you like, you recognize certain things that may even annoy you, that you didn't, you didn't, you didn't know you. I promise you, this is the truth. I really almost never listened to myself. Once I'm done, I trust. And, you know, I notice like people will say to me, man, if you listen to yourself when you first started interviewing people and now, you have grown so. much. You have, you're so much better. And I'm like, oh, wait a minute. How bad was I? That's what we think of. You know, that's sort of a backhanded compliment. You may have just gotten more relaxed.

And I have to find, I like listening to criticism like that, you know, especially since this is something that's so new to me, when it's, obviously, if it's like a troll's, if it's somebody just saying, like, you suck and I, I hope you die. I, you know, that that's different. That's not like constructive and um but but people we've been we also there's a Facebook group of people who listen to the show and they often um they correct us i know that dax you mentioned dax he has monica who fact checks him but we don't really have that and so i've noticed i've read certain things on instagram or whatever that um what don't you like what have you read what have you read that you didn't like that i didn't like but you know that you were kind of like fuck that was kind of like

harsh um um uh well like hurtful things you know like uh it's it's it's usually it takes a lot these days to really hurt me i you know the funny thing happened recently where i read um somebody just said uh called me a dildo and they just said you're a dildo which i kind of thought was a little it was sort of funny it's sort of funny insult to call a guy a dildo and um and then and i didn't respond to it, but I, and I wasn't particularly hurt by it, but I was like, oh, that's weird that they would go on, just that they would go through the trouble of, like, logging onto their thing

and writing, and a couple weeks later somebody else said, you dildo, and then they said a complimentary thing, and I realized it was your brother. It was a reference to the show I do called, on the Netflix, this animated show called Epis for Family, where my character

used that word a lot is, he calls his dad, he's a teenager, and he's always saying, you dildo! Everything's a effing, Dilloo! Oh, my God. Curse on your, you can curse. Oh, yeah. You curse? I curse, I swear.

And now I think the previous one that I thought was a troll was really maybe a fan of the show. My brother pointed out, well, maybe he was both. Maybe he thinks you're a dildo, and he's a fan of the show. I don't know, things that really hurt me. I mean, maybe in the past you could reference something that's something like, you know, was there, was there a time? I'm sure when, like, all those times when you were dating Drew and people are like this, and I'm sure they said things that probably hurt you.

You know, Mike, back then, I didn't read, I think the only way, and this is because my skin was probably a lot thinner and still probably would be too thin for something like a personal attack like that. I didn't engage with it. I didn't, I wasn't on social media really. I, if stories were in the tablets, I would hear about it usually through my parents or friends or, but I found that that was an easy thing to distance. myself from. That was an easy thing to divorce myself from. It really was, because it was really on the internet or in those magazines. And it's easy enough to not read that stuff. You were loved as a child. I could tell. I could tell you had a good relationship. You were loved as a child. I was loved. Yeah. Is that we said? I was loved. Did you have a good relationship with your parents? Very good. Yeah. I mean, they drive me nuts, but they're, yeah. They can be, right now, they're frustrating because they keep wanting to leave the house. And of course,

We're trying to, you know, they're stubbornly wanting to go to the grocery store and stuff. But yeah, they're very loving parents. I got, I was, I'm very lucky. So you had, I always talk about this because, you know, there's certain things that, you know, people out there, they didn't get this, they didn't get that, you know. And there's a time when you got to grow up and shit and go, hey, you know, I didn't get that, but I got to get it from somewhere else. And that's kind of a thin line, too, because I know that, you know, you don't get love at home. You don't get, hey, you're good. So what do you do?

You go out and you get it. How do I get it? Right. validation how do I get validated so you never felt like you always felt your parents are with you you're smart you can do it they were always that that was sort of the mentality yeah i mean we we fell into i have two brothers and we all fell into different categories i would say and and uh my older brother was always the still as the smart one i mean he was he's brilliant and uh you know went to a great school and was always excelled academically and um my thing i think was more the uh i was kind

of a clown and I was very small for my age so I it was my way of finding my social footing I think was just being a little clown but I was also so small that I wasn't I was like too easy of a target I didn't really get picked on and I wasn't threatening enough to anyone to be singled out and picked on and I so I was okay socially um but I I think maybe that's where I found any sort of desire to to be an actor or to do what I do now uh how tall are you in high school I going I can tell you exactly going at the high school I was 4 foot 10 I weighed 89 pounds we you too yep I graduated at 5 3 I grew 9 inches after my senior year yeah I was the smallest kid in my high school Smalls kid in my high school

And yeah You just get overload Yeah Mike you were 5'3 graduating high school Yeah I didn't grow till I graduated high school I'm telling you I grew eight inches In the next year year and a half

Oh my God I don't think I had hair in my balls Until I was a junior in high school Yeah I'm trying I wish I had chronicled that development You know I wish I had like Written like a puberty journal Like when I had my first

Pube and like I remember I remember Do you remember like getting like a hair under your arms I was like the fuck is happening to me yeah well no I used to pray for them I would pray to God and Eric Dickerson I'd say

please please please bless you Eric to give me some oh you wanted them oh my God I wanted because skins and shirts when you played basketball in Indiana everybody played basketball it's something I didn't but I was like I go you know what guys I'll sit on the side because I didn't have any hair and I like God forbid I had to take my shirt off you're like dude I remember Mike Curry lived down a street

and he used to go Rosenbaum, where is your armpit hair? Do you not have any armpit hair? And I go, I remember going, dude, I swim. They make us shave them because I had heard it or something. It was a comeback. They're like, what? You said you shaved him?

I swear to God. My friend Tom Lally will attest to that. That's a more embarrassing lie. I know. I always come up with these things that are not better. Just say, yeah, why are you looking at my armpit, dude? Mike Kerry? Mike Curry.

Mike Curry. dude he had enough hair for the entire school he was hairy oh yeah it was like like what happened why does that guy get all the hair yeah but those are the guys that like get all the hair in like eighth grade and they peak in like ninth or tenth grade a good friend of mine he's not going to want me to say is they might you may know him uh really he wouldn't he wouldn't care john pisani do you know pisani yeah i know john passani he was hairy he was hairy he was hairy and like there were a few of those kids maybe one or two that were like fully hair like a full pelt you know

the head to toe in like fifth grade and um he said it scouts were they were scouting him for college teams in like fifth and sixth grade he's now like five he's not that short but he's five eight seven five eight he was that height in fifth grade

and um and he said he never grew after that so I and I knew a couple kids like that and I never it's funny that you were self-conscious about it because I I'm trying to remember now if I was I don't remember that being an issue for me. I was self-conscious about, like, my looks and about certain other aspects of my physical appearance, but I don't remember the height being, like, really wanting to

be tall, even though I was so tiny. I was so short. Maybe I did. Did you get girls? The girls like you in high school? Not really, no, not. Did you have sex in high school? What's the start? What's that? Did you have sex in high school? No, no. I was very, uh, I was very, uh, I was very, uh, I was a real late bloomer in that department. No, not until freshman year of college. When I went to a very progressive, I would say, I guess all colleges like this. So I don't know if mine was particularly sexual, but it seemed that way. It seemed like, in fact, I think it was because there was an article in Spin Magazine.

Is it Spin Magazine still exists? I don't know. Spin magazine where a journalist went undercover. I went to Vassar College, and they were. went undercover and post as a student and basically chronicled how, you know, sexual, the school watched, I don't know what I should be saying, but it's, it's chronicled. It's been already written about. I mean, it's written about, yeah. I think the next year, male admissions shut up by like, you know, 200%. Are you serious based on that article? Yeah, yeah, or male applications anyway. Yeah. And they were

trying to even out the female male ratio, I remember. So it was, by the time I got there, I think it was like 61% female still. I think now it's more even. But it had been in all female school. So they were trying to get more, which is probably how I got in because it was easier for guys to get in. Do you hear that sure? No, it's pretty good. No, I like that. Sounds like an ex. But I was grown by then. I can't believe you didn't grow. That's very rare, Mike. It is rare. And I, you know, I think I remember going into the kitchen night and looking at my parents with just tears in my eyes and going this is your fault you did drugs you always did drugs my dad's 6 5 my mom's like 5 8 i'm like why am i fucking 4 foot whatever and like i remember i wrestled and i was like 14 and oh and the reason is 13 wins were because there was no one light enough to wrestle me yes yes i was I wanted to play football so badly, and the coach pulled me aside after the end of this two-week training, training camp. And he said, you know, son, we got a great wrestling squad. And I was like, well, that's going to be hard to do because I, as you know, wrestling season is the same as football season.

And he goes, son, you're not going to play. You're not going to play on the team. And I say, I know, I'll be on the bench. I'll ride the bench. But I'm sure, you know, God forbid someone gets injured and then I'll go in and I'll be a backup. And he said, son, let me put it this way. if the entire team, God forbid, is on a bus. It isn't that word for word,

but he basically said if the whole team is on a bus and you happen to drive separately and something happens to the bus, you're still not going to play. And it was heartbreaking. That is heartbreaking. Yeah. But that's when he said.

He goes, you should wrestle. We got to go. And he said, you'll probably be in your own weight class. You'll be undefeated, which is what happened to you. And you, you love, you like wrestling. Didn't you host some wrestling thing years ago at the Staples Center? I did No, it's funny to say I like wrestling

No, I don't I read something about it I was like maybe he likes wrestling Maybe he started wrestling in high school Or no I did for a week And then I gave it out It's too hard, yeah It's funny

My friend just connected me with I've been wanting to do yoga And my friend Paul A really great actor He was on the show Paul Hauser Has been doing yoga And he connected me with this piece He's like I got a friend who does it

And he's got his own app And he's got a program and his name's Dallas. And so I was texting with this guy, Dallas, Dallas Page. And he told me to download the thing. I know Dallas Page, the wrestler Dallas Page. He gave me a thing to download. It's called DDPY.

Yeah. It's a yoga. Yes. Do you know it? I do. Yeah, he's like, but I had no idea. It was the wrestler Diamond Dallas Page. Of course, I know who that is.

And I've been asking him really obnoxious, because I'm so bad with, as you now know, seeing how I've set this up, it took me so long to, do this. I'm really bad with computers and technology and all that. And it just made me laugh that this whole time, I thought I was talking to like this yoga geek, you know, this guy who had this very peace, peace-loving, like, Buddhist-y yoga guy. And I clicked on the thing and it was like, this is Diamond Dallas Pages, yoga. Get ready for your, you know, get ready to align your chakras. It was unexpected. But it's a good program. You know, you, uh, I was just, just watching and like, and reading about stuff and hearing some stories, like, I know you did, uh, obviously, you did dodge ball and I hear some stories. Like, you're kind of like a goofball. I'm always, I'm always, like, always just trying to, you know, make everybody laugh, center of attention, uh, just keeping myself busy. Maybe because I'm bored. And like I worked with, you know, one of my good friends is John Heater, Napoleon Dynamine. He worked with you and he loved you. But he's like, yeah, he's always like, uh, having fun. He's always, do you, do you, do you? He's awesome. He's always, he's always,

like cracking it. Yeah. Justin Long's pretty much awesome. Yeah. He's always like, got so much energy or whatever. That's really good. Do you, uh, do you feel like, were you a kid who had ADD? Do you feel like, were you all over the place?

Were you, uh, like I had ADD? There's no doubt about it. Yeah, I can see that. Squirrel. Do you not have that, you think? Uh, yeah, I definitely have that. I definitely have that. You did?

I was, um, how much of that do you, uh, do you think was because you were little though and you were trying to get attention prove yourself find your you know i think it was just like i wanted something like god i'm too small i'm not getting uh you know i didn't get attention from my parents really i was just sort of like i need i need girls did girls no girls didn't like me until i didn't get laid till i think i was 18 um yeah but but i remember just always like i guess when somebody told me i was funny and that changed my life and i was like okay i got to be funny i got to be on i got to be somebody else so i think that that's why always on set i had

a friend of mine once you worked on on smallville with me and he goes dude i don't know how you do it man i go what he goes you're working like 14 hour days and you're doing learning these lines and stuff and you're running around set you never go to your trailer and just chill maybe you wouldn't be so tired all the time if you just went to your trailer and just relaxed you know mike i i used to be like that i i know exactly what you're talking about because i love to be and i still do I love being on set. I love the energy of a set. God, how much do you miss that now?

Yeah. But I found the older I got, I needed to go back to the trailer occasionally. Because I couldn't sustain a whole day that kind of energy of being that buoyant all day. Yeah, because you want to be fun. You want the director to see. I love having him on set.

The producers love this guy, and he's good. Like, you want everybody to like you. And then you're just like, oh, my God, I'm alone again. It's also like, God, that's part of the fun for me. Still, I've never been one of the other. those actors that like I you know the reason I do this is the craft and like I love it I love every aspect of it but one of my favorite parts of it um is just the the social aspect still I mean like yeah it's the reason I got into it in high school uh after football didn't work out and wrestling

and and it's and it's the reason I continue to love it I love being around creative people and I love being around the camera department i just yeah i don't know that's still such a huge and my perception of you in fact was always you were like the life of when i started out in the early 2000s late 90s you i would always hear your name in the context of um certainly somebody who's funny um but but the kind of the life of the party oh rosy oh yeah you got to meet rosy and there's always there's always i feel like a party at your house yeah gina phillips i remember was like, oh, she was the first time I heard your name was one of my first jobs I did Gina and then Nikki Ake, all these people that I knew, all these girls, usually girls

who were like, oh, Rosie's the best and he's always have, and I'm sure I've been, I remember being at parties at your house. I'm sure. It was like the epicenter of, you know. Yeah, you know, it's weird. It's like I always felt like, I think I've been with that with my family. It's like, this is what we're doing. I'm organizing a family event or I'm organizing a, like, tonight, for instance, tonight. I'm having bingo for 30 friends on Zoom. I saw that. That's cool.

Everybody's Venmo me $10. And we have four games. We do a regular bingo, a Y and X and squares. And I will be like, be four. And I got a buddy who's like, be four. And we just have fun. Everybody gets a cocktail. So I like people having fun.

And I used to say, fuck, I'm tired. I used to get so frustrated with myself. Why are you putting so much energy? Why do you give so much to so many people and they don't give back anything? It's like, well, then don't do it. Unless you fucking like doing it, dude. If it's just part of you to do this stuff, do it because you like it. Well, so you have to check in with yourself?

Everyone's mind and just make sure that you're enjoying yourself and not just like facilitating the joy of others. Sure. And I remember one time my uncle said some, I was at Disney World. They used to treat my whole family to Disney World when I was making real money on, you know, back in the day. And I take 20 people and put them up and VIP guides. And I used to film it all.

And then my uncle's like, hey, my mom. Mike, why don't you put the camera down and actually just live in the moment here? And it kind of, like, it's not that upset me. I think it upset me because it was true. It was like, yeah, what am I doing? Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to create memories, but I'm, this is a memory right now. You know, it's funny, Mike, when you ask me, like, what's something upsetting that I've read about myself on Instagram?

I'm now trying to, like, I'm going over any, I'm trying to go through the Rolodex of things that potentially could have upset me. And I'm not landing on anything, but I do remember the sensation of being upset, like being hurt, offended, whatever, and it's usually has to do with something that strikes a court, something that maybe is truthful that you find there's some, you know, this is valid. It's valid, hurtful criticism, whatever it is. That's usually the stuff that I had a hard time accepting. And I think now it's, now I kind of welcome that. It's a really. I like therapy it's it's um you know it's a reason why I like that kind of I'm sure that moment with your uncle was like a there's something there's something very valuable in that yeah hey do me a favor lower your head a little or can you you're almost out of camp well you're fine there oh that's bad oh man the second part of this interview I could really see your face man by the way you look thank God you still look young you look like you did when I saw you in jeepers creepers which I really liked.

Oh, please. I'm telling you. Oh, please. That was from Hollywood Squares. There was a guy named Paul Lynn. Oh, yeah, sure. And they used to go, let's go to Paul and Paul. Why did the queen dissolve members of parliament?

Or maybe she does magic tricks. Remember him? Good, yeah. Do you ever want to be a talk show host? You think you'd ever do that? A host? I think it's easier for me to be a host than to be on the show, which this is an example of. Yeah, I like facilitating.

a conversation, but I don't necessarily like having to carry a conversation. Yeah. Yeah, I would like to do that. I don't know if I would ever do it. But I think whatever part of me enjoys that, I get to scratch that itch by doing the podcast. I don't think, I don't have any more aspirations than that. Well, I think you could do. I have my own, you know.

Yeah, I think you could do anything you want these days. I mean, you know, I thought, you know, I'd like to be a talk show host, you know. I just It's weird It's all these little clicks You know It's definitely Clicky

Like you have to be I don't know These little inside groups To get that kind of thing You know It seems like it'd be a lot of pressure I wouldn't want to do Yeah every night

Doing that And say oh my God You never sleep Every night and doing like You know Timely stuff And current You're just staying up to date

With I talking about people in the news I don't think I am equipped to do that I don't think I'd be capable of that I just don't think I'm funny enough either. I mean, you really have to be, I admire those guys tremendously.

Oh my God. Fallon, he's got a family. He's constantly doing sketches online. He's got this. It's like, I couldn't do that. I don't know how you have the energy. Are you coped up every night? Are you on speed all day?

How are you doing this? I know, Mike, we're two like single, relatively single guy. We don't have families. I, just doing this, that's like, you know that's enough i would just do this oh my gosh do you do you love acting as much as you did do you feel like it's something you want to do forever do you feel like i don't know i kind of lost

my feeling for it that's a really good question it's and it's something i've thought about a lot lately uh i don't i don't think i love it in the way where i need to be doing it constantly like I used to. There was a time where I and I think the reason I did a lot of I don't say movies I shouldn't have done but like I don't regret any of the movies I did even though I did a lot of bad movies I just

I don't because I really enjoyed doing it I loved as I said I loved being on sets I loved I loved going from these one town to the next and living out of a suitcase I love that lifestyle but I think it's the lifestyle style now that I don't I don't I don't enjoy as much as I used to I like having a little bit more stability though I don't have a family I I'd like to one day and and the idea of going

from job to job that part of it doesn't appeal to me anymore what would you do would you just do your podcast and maybe try to do something on the side occasional I mean if you if you didn't want to act what would it be I mean I mean I'd love doing this i mean i found so much joy in this i've loved uh i used to love drawing and i just got a drafting board i there are things i loved gardening i'm setting up a garden i i don't know there i'm finding and i hate saying this because this time is so it's bringing so much pain to so many people but um i'm finding myself uh enjoying things that i that i that i just hadn't uh allowed myself to indulge in the pad, like gardening, like, you know, taking care of my own lawn.

I mean, I know that sounds so dushy and privileged, but I, I don't know. I've been enjoying reading again and learning a language. I don't know. Acting to me, I miss it. It just slowed you down. This inadvertently slowed you down, but in a way where you could do the things that you've been wanting to do maybe for a while, subconsciously. Yeah, Mike, I hate even admitting that.

Because it's, I, you know, as I'm doing these things, I'm also, I'm aware of the reality for most people. We're in, we get to be in nice homes doing this fun thing. We get to do this. You don't know where I am. You don't know where I am. This could be the only room I'm in. That's true. This could be the front door right there.

I'm making assumptions. You don't know me, Justin. It's really funny if this is the one room you had and you have like a big jerk poster. There's a toilet that right out of cameras. Yeah, I just say, I'm going to take a piss real quick, and I'm just pissing right off camera. You're just connected to a catheter. I know, having said that, you know, what I really miss is being doing theater. I miss being on stage.

But I, and I loved, my brother and I just made a movie. We directed our first movie, and we had made a bunch of shorts, and as stressful as it was, it was so fulfilling. It was so creatively satisfying. and we're editing it now. And it's just been such a satisfying process creatively that I don't feel like I'm, I don't feel that sense of, like I'm climbing the walls

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Now, let me ask you this. You know, it's funny because we're both single. I'm 47. You're 41, right? Yeah, that's really comforting to hear, actually. Well, it's comforting, too, but also, you know, people might say, oh, you know, they're perpetually single and they're ladies, you know, what are the ladies man or whatever, and they go out with girls and they just can't settle down and they just can't, and they,

you know, and there's probably truth to all of it. There's probably truth to all of it. But what, now I don't, and I read somewhere that you, you, you've proposed before. Right? I propose. Or not proposed, but you've wanted to get married to someone, right? Or did I read wrong? Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I look back at, yeah, I would say there's somebody that I probably should have proposed to. But I, yeah. But, but, yeah, there's somebody, I would say. Yeah, like, I hate to indulge in that cliche of like the one who got away, but. But if it's true. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's true. Yeah, I suppose so.

I just, um, I, there are, I go back and forth, Mike. There are times where I like, I do have moments where I think, oh, I should, because I love kids. I really love kids. And I, and it's hard now to be away from, you know, because we're quarantined. I don't get to be around my, my nephews. And I really miss that. And I think, oh, did I miss the boat?

And should I have, I don't know, I have those moments where I, I'm like regretting not having kids but um but then you know those those come and go and then you think well the reality it's easy to like to fantasize about something like that but the reality of having kids i i don't know if that right now would fit into i also really enjoyed my life now i don't have um i don't i don't feel like i have this deep void um i don't know i mean it talked to me in a year it might change Well, do you pick yourself apart or, on the other hand, do you find that the older you get, like when people get married younger, they're not as picky, they're kind of like, oh, they don't, do you think as we get older and we go out with more people or even more picky, we're like,

uh, red flag, yeah, they get that. Yeah, we're going to be alone forever. Oh, absolutely. Do I see more, have I gotten pickier? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I look back at, um, I mean, I would say, if I regret anything, it's staying in relationships that I knew at a certain point weren't the one, you know, that weren't like the one that I should stay in.

I regret staying in those too long. And that's, I think that's as simple as my own guilt. I have a tremendous, you know, not to blame it all in my upbringing, but I do have a tremendous, like, guilt complex. and so I think that's a mistake I desperately want to avoid is getting into the wrong thing. And so I think that's the reason I'm probably still single. Sure, it's fear. It's probably some fear.

Fear, yeah. It's always fear. Most things are fear. And it gets compounded every year that goes by. And I'm 41 now, you're 47. So it's at the point where, like, I don't want to get into frivolous things. I don't want to get into things that, you know, when we were in our 20s, it was, yeah, you could date somebody for a period of time and then you go off and do a movie and things come between you and distance and all that. And now it's harder to be privileged.

And I don't want to be privileged with people's time. Yeah. Isn't that the thing like, you know what? I don't want to waste your time. You probably want to have kids. I think, you know, you deserve somebody better. It's almost like we're pushing people away. Well, it's inadvertently.

Yeah. I mean, it's also like I don't think I was ready to have kids when I was in some of these relationships. And I just think they were the wrong ones. I mean, the one I regret is, at the time, it felt it didn't feel like the right thing. What was it? What relationship was it, Justin? It was one that, like, it's hard to, it's hard to ever regret that. like that because people in the moment it wasn't i i stand by the fact that it wasn't right and i hate

even talking about this because it's weird to talk about something cryptically and it's not interesting to people listening it's it's incredibly interesting because it's kind of like you're what you're feeling i see what you're feeling and it's it's it's human i you know look we're also you know we're inside we're here with our i'm i've been with my thoughts a lot more than i usually am more vulnerable yeah i'm certainly inside of me i'm inside of you right now good deflection. Good deflection, Justin. These are good deflection. It's funny, though, I think one of my hangups is I start, a couple of things happen. I start getting self-conscious, I think mostly because I find that kind of stuff.

I find it, not as a listener, but as the recipient of that, to be indulgent. You know, like, oh, you know, why am I single? I think, like, I think, like, I think. I start getting paranoid that people listening think keeps a shit. You know, and like, that's my own stuff to work through. And I just, I just start being paranoid that it's not, it's not at all interesting. However, you saying something that, you know, got away or something that, to me, that just sounds like something that, you know, hey, from my heart, there's something got away that didn't come to fruition. And that's all that. Yeah, that's the only important information from that.

It's, and it's, I never thought, I mean, you know, that's a cliche for a reason, the one that got away. And you hear that and you think, but I never felt that until, until you felt it, until you feel it. And, and it's, it's a real thing. But it's, it's not necessarily a bad thing. Because I think it, it just means that I'm in a different place and that person's in a different place. Right. You know, do you have anything like that? you have the regrets like yeah yeah i mean there's there's there are moments where i look back

and i go that was fucking you know i was immature or i was uh you know not that i'm not that mature now but you sure man there's there's moments where i don't know if i have any regrets where i look at it and go i should have i could have maybe married that person i it's not that in fact there i had um on this other show i do with chris sullivan who's amazing um i interviewed we interviewed my ex-girlfriend from years ago who's like my best best friend. And she's married to this wonderful guy. Unbelievable. Eric Alma's photographer and they have a kid. And we got really, I wouldn't listen to it. But everybody was like, you should listen to it. It's great because it's really, if you feel like you're vulnerable and you feel. And she, I remember when she had a baby, I

cried. I cried. And it wasn't because I was like, God, that could have been maybe me at all. It was. I've had that, yeah. It was, this is what she's always wanted. Yeah. She's always wanted a baby. She's such a great mom. I knew she'd be a great mom. I knew.

So the tears were of joy. So I looked back and I'm like, she found the guy that would treat her with all the respect. Not that I didn't treat respect. The guy that would give her everything that I couldn't. Kudos to him. I think that's why I'm hesitating to even, I'm tiptoeing around,

even that phrase, the one that got away. Because, of course, the real version of that is, she's happy. I mean, as long, if it's somebody that you like that, that you care about that much, that you care about at all. Yeah.

There should be no, nothing resembling regret if that person is still, is happy. Yeah. So I think it's sort of a selfish, it's a selfish brush to paint yourself with. I'm sure everyone asks you this, but do you want to be married,

this stable relationship? Do you want to be with somebody? now? You know, I think my grandmother, you know, hearing people always saying, you know, my friend, Stacey's saying, you'd be such a great dad. And hearing your friends, say you're sort of good with kids. And you are a kid. And they can relate to you. And hearing your grandma saying, Mikey, family's the best thing there is. I think, all this time, it torments you. And it sort of makes you go, I know, I know, I should be doing this. Why am I not doing this? And then you start to feel, what's wrong with me? And then you start to think, now I'm too old. What am I going to do? I can't. You know, what am I going to do? We're going to wake up and I'm going to change your diabetes. I'm going to take care of someone. I don't want the kid. I want the kid to be smart. Who's going to teach him math? I'm not the guy.

And I start thinking about all these things. This kid's going to fail. He's going to fail with a father like me. Unless I date a fucking science, like a, you know, a NASA, like genius scientist. Oh, no. No, get out of it. But that's how my line works. Yeah, yeah.

So I think, you know, why do that? Why put a kid in the world when you just can't, you know, but at the same time, do I want to be alone the rest of my life? No. Do I want to find I don't want to find someone just to go, you know what, I guess I won't be alone. Right. Well, that's selfish. Yeah. Yeah. I think about that too. I do. And that's the selfish question that I wrestle with, which is,

and this is really morbid, but when you're leaving the world, when you're dying, it would ease that, I feel like it would probably ease the transition. Yeah. Yeah. You know, if you die with some sort of lineage

but that's selfish I mean like I you know if there was somebody in my life if there was a woman who I I loved and wanted to you know I of course I would want have kids I just it's a huge thing especially when you consider this the life I lead right now it doesn't feel like it's missing that is that I don't feel like it I I don't feel like I'm wanting for anything. And part of that is my own privilege. You know, I'm privileged. And I have the, you know, if this pandemic has really highlighted anything,

it's those that are, you know, the haves and the have-nots. I mean, it's really like it's, I think it's shining a light on the socioeconomic injustices. And so it's making me feel that much more grateful to be privileged. Do you think, I don't feel like I'm, certainly now, I don't feel like I'm wanting for anything. I feel so fucking blessed to have the life I have. Sure. It's also hard to meet people in quarantine. It is.

Do you think that people who don't want kids for the most part, maybe it may sound bad. And the word is kind of, do you think it's because we're just selfish? It might be. Maybe it's just like, you know what, I want my time to be for me. and maybe a girlfriend and maybe like but i i don't want to maybe being selfish is actually being good because you're not bringing someone in the world that you fucking can't give that attention to which i'm not going to say anything we've seen versions of that i mean my mom i love my mom people i haven't talked about this but like my mom you know she had kids she was pregnant when she was

16 then 18 then she had me when she was 23 and my dad was 18 and a hippie and it's like but she always wanted to be the center of attention she never got her childhood it was taken away by having children so what happened she still wanted to be the center of attention and i don't want to ever ever because i would it would fucking ruin me if i couldn't give that kid every bit of attention that he or she deserved and that would burn me but michael you know that you're in a much i completely understand the psychology behind that and that fear and your mom being arrested in development but you know that you've already far surpassed whatever position

she was in in life. I mean, you're far more developed than she was and... Maybe a little. No, I think. I mean, like any of the hang-ups that you have are the result of your, of what happened to her in your own childhood, but

God, that's crazy. 16, 16 and 18. Oh, boy. I've got so many stories. So you weren't kidding when you said you thought they the fact that you weren't growing was duty their drug intake. No, no, no. My, you know, yeah, I mean, I'm sure my dad. Oh, they were hippies. They were real hippies. Well, I don't know real hippies, but my

know, my dad was like, you know, at 18 years old when he's, you know, I think he had me when he was 19. Wow. 19 or 20. The latest. So you're lucky. They're young still. They're young. My dad's 67. My mom's 72. So, yeah. Oh, my God. They're still together. No, no, no. My mom's in her third marriage because my dad is her second. My dad's divorced twice my sisters in her fourth marriage my brother adams only been married once so far my brother eric never he'll never get married i can't see you uh i have a half older brother uh what do you call a biological brother wow i guess a half older sister and then i have two younger half sisters with my dad's previous so your idea of family and marriage it's it was always

very fractured always dysfunctional always crazy nobody talks to anybody i can tell I mean, honestly, if you ever have me in your show, I'll tell you all this shit. Oh, I would love that. I mean. Well, no wonder, this must be so therapeutic for you. This is what this is. This is therapy. And hopefully some people can relate and go, oh, my God.

So what do you think of somebody when you hear that I had, my parents are still together, they were loving? I mean, you know, sometimes, sometimes too loving, sometimes. There are hangups. It's not perfect. But what do you think of when you hear that story? You fucking asshole. You stupid. I honestly go thank God that's good that's good that's nice that you had that you know

and by the way I don't sit here and you know I'm not knocking my parents I'm just the more I've I'm very forgiving I'm like it's taking me a long time but the more you could say this is how it was they did the best they could that's all they knew and it's not an excuse it's how I feel it's like you weren't capable you couldn't do it and that's that and you know what I got what I got and now I'm working on me and I have a lot of I've had success and I'm able to love and I'm sure I'm fractured. It must be very hard to let that go though to let I don't know as you're somebody I've always really liked and I like that spirit that you have this gregarious you have bingo parties for people and you want to bring people together and you have damage from your parents who through

no fault of your own did this thing to you and I don't know I'm just always rooting for you you know I thanks dude well you know you too I mean look and when you say my parents did to me I don't look at it that way you know they were young maliciously no no no I think they did the best they could and I think that you know there was some good moments and there was some you know you could always I don't compare but you can say you know so many people have had it way worse many people have it way better I'm just saying it all that matters it doesn't matter what people try to tell you or explain to you like what you didn't have this you if you had a hat roof over your head as a child in your developmental stages you know

what you had and didn't have because it's the way you are it's the way you feel it's the way you think it's the way you felt right and no one can tell you what they did when you didn't feel that way so you can forgive and you can do this but you know i've had many conversations with people's like why would you feel that way you know if you say i hurt my let's say you're dating a girl i've had a situation where i'm like you know you said that i just want to let you know that it hurt my feelings when you said that. Why? Why would that hurt your feelings? That should never be the way they take that. They should always say, first of all, I'm sorry. I did not mean to hurt your feelings, but can you explain to me why? This is why I think a lot of marriages get ruined because people

are so sensitive and they get like, they can't just say. Easily triggered. There's triggers. Why can't you just say? I remember saying things to people like, why are you, how can I have meant that? Why would I have meant that? Then you get upset. And you're like, and they didn't need that. All they needed you to say was, I'm sorry. You feel. that way and I'm sorry that I made you feel that way and that's not what I meant but you felt it and it's real and I apologize and that's totally fucking what you should do yeah my I it's it's I think it's so valuable to recognize your own triggers and your own limitations and I've been recognizing my own I yeah I I think when somebody's illogical when somebody's not the behavior is

not making sense it doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong and that was something that I I think I grew up thinking. If it's not logical, it's wrong. And when it comes to, you know, people's feelings and their triggers and these things we're talking about, it's not necessarily always logical. I have a very hard time with that.

So you're going to tell me who this girl was or what? Well, it's one of what? One of probably three that people could think of? I don't think so. No, no. I don't think it's somebody that people... No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, bullshit.

All right, here we go. Ashley T. and these should be quick. Ashley T. Good old Ashley T, top tier, shit talking. Do you still practice the five D's of Dodge Ball? Do I still practice the five Ds of Dodge Ball?

I haven't played Dodge Ball in a while. What were the five Ds again? Somebody sent me a meme that was like a Corona virus meme that was like Dodge Duk, whatever they are. And they were like, you should post this. And I felt like I've, felt very strange about making light of it. So I didn't, but I, that was the last time I remember hearing that.

Dodge Duck, Dip, God, you know, I'm so grateful to have, talking about gratitude. I'm grateful to have worked with some really good actors, and Rip Torn was one of them. Hang on a second. What is he doing over there? What is he? He's running around. I heard that interview where you were messing around. Rip Tern was in a close-up of his shot, and he just was like, what the fuck is Justin Long doing?

What happened to do that quickly? No, no, no, he said, yeah, I was really nervous around him. Fuck it, by the way, your listeners, Rip Torn is one of the greats, you know? I mean, he was one of Tennessee Williams' like favorite actors, and he was in the original sweet bird of youth. And my, he's just an incredible, yeah. There's a great movie called Payday. Have you seen Payday? No.

He plays like a Waylon Jennings-type country singer. Mm-hmm. fucking great man he he i was just such a big fan of his and um and so you know but he was a little uh whatever this is not he was a little ornery and and um and so we were doing the scene where he threw the the wrench at my head and and and he was forgetting his lines um and he was looking around and i've experienced this before i'm sure you have with with older actors and I pray to God, it doesn't happen to me, but I'm sure it will, where you start forgetting your life.

I forget them now, but go ahead. Yes, yeah. It's true. Well, and, oh, I'm just going to turn a light on you. And one of two things can happen where either you, you take it upon yourself to, you own it. You're like, ah, shit, I'm forgetting my lines. Or you blame it on somebody else, you know. I'm forgetting my lines because of this.

Right. and so he I was doing my off camera for him it was his coverage and he threw like the proper inch near me and I made it like it hit my face and I kind of I didn't want to do too much because I didn't want to be distracting

and he said he forgot his lines and he looked at me and he said what are you doing you're dancing around like a goddamn monkey what is he doing? And at first I thought he was ad-libbing I thought he was improvise. And so I kind of tried to stay in it a little bit and

he goes, caught, caught. He's dancing around like a goddamn monkey, you know. And I was so nervous. I said, afterwards I said, I tried to apologize and I said, I'm really sorry. Mr. Tornan. He said, let me tell you something, son. When you

talk over another actor's lines, it means they got to go loop the whole goddamn thing. And I said, oh, oh, I wasn't talking. You thought was talking i wasn't talking and uh and he goes are you calling me a liar and i said no i'm you know what do you say when somebody jesus what do you say i just backed down and that was it he he he i think he was had just forgotten the lines but he was um sometimes you want somebody to blame i

it's like christian bail no i'm fucking doing something no do i fucking mess with what you're doing You know, I got to tell you, I don't, I don't totally blame Christian Bale for that. I love Christian Bale's funny. It went off too long. Here's what I would have done if I flipped out and I was having a bad day. Dude, shut the fuck up. Right, right, right, right, right. Or I'm going to flip out.

And then that's it. Of course. I wouldn't do that. I mean passive aggressive and like a pussy. But I don't totally, totally blame them. I know. Because from what I understand, the guy was moving shit around. Christian Bale's in this, whatever.

It's hard to defend that level of a ramp, but I get this. He's an intense guy. He cares about his work. People let it go. He's still working. All right. We're going to do quick fire here. Boom.

Pat, what moment would be on the blooper reel of your life? My life? Oh, man. You know, I think about that a lot. There are so many times things happen to me where I think, oh, God, I'd like to, not necessarily to me or to friends of mine where I think, oh, God, I would love to see that the afterlife. You know that that movie Defending Your Life, the Albert Brooks movie. I think about that movie a lot in, when, when funny things happen.

Because I think like, you know, in that movie, they actually review moments of somebody's life. They get to rewind them and watch them back. And I think about that a lot. Like, oh, God, I'd like to, if this, if I could see, if I could relive 10 moments, God, offhand, I don't know. I remember almost walking into traffic once. I was talking about, I was on a street corner in New York, and I was talking about that movie Hamilton, or the play, it had just come out. And it was just nominated for a bunch of Tonys.

And I said to my friends, oh, good for Lin-Manuel Miranda. That's really cool. It's his first thing, and it gets nominated for all these Tonys. And they said, oh, no, no, he did this play in the Heights. Then he's been nominated, so he's already, And I go, oh, so, and I, this is word for word. I said, oh, so he's no stranger to the Tony scene, which is a crazy thing for me to say, for anyone to say, but it's weird for me to say. And I kind of like, I tend to drift around.

I like looking up and looking at the sky and something. And I kind of drifted into off the curb, and a bus came, it was so close to hitting me, like a speeding bus that I remember feeling my hair. I have kind of like floppy hair, and I remember feeling like my hair, like, hit the, I'm sure it didn't, but it felt the way, it was so close to hitting me. Terrifying. A friend of mine pulled me back, and they were like, what the fuck are you doing? And they were freaked out. I, like, I didn't see how close it was to hitting me, but it was really close. And my brother and I were laughing about that because my last words would have been, oh, so he's no stranger to the Tony scene.

That line. and they would have had to tell my parents or my friends what was last words oh he said he's no stranger to the Tony scene well what does that mean yeah I think about that a lot whenever I say anything like that

similar to that like similarly embarrassing my brother and I we say here comes the meteor here comes the asteroid that's it your last words all right here we go Jennifer N what would be your dream role in a horror movie you know what you play the victim once uh it's hard to find different versions of that um i don't know

i don't know it's a good question but i you know it'd be fun i love nightmare and elm street be fun to do a nightmare and um street just to be in one of those just to be with like robert england oh yeah dude i would love that yeah samantha m is there a particular genre of movie you prefer acting um excuse me uh lately it's been i i really miss doing i want to do a comedy like a real uh like a goofy, fun comedy. Those are the ones that I've been watching a lot of. And, you know, I keep looking at the jerk, that poster. And as I said earlier, I only recently saw that.

And that kind of dumb, it's so rare, like, really smart, dumb humor is my favorite. Oh, yeah. I think it's my favorite genre, like Mike Judge type stuff. Yeah, well, you did idiocry. Idiocracy is, yeah, that type of. With Dax, that's where you met Dax. All right, last one. Sean W.

You ever get baked with Kevin Smith? Yeah, yeah. I mean, every time you go over his house, he has, have you been to, you know, Kevin? No. I mean, we know each other. He's come up to me at conventions and talk to me about Guardians and this and I. I've been trying to get on the podcast.

The fucker, you know, I don't have his number. You were in Guardian. You were in... I had a small part in Guardians too. I played Martin X, which coincidentally was one of the original Guardians in the comics from that Stan Lee did, but I had three, little scenes. I had, uh, they CGI'd my face with dots. Remember the Stallone. But it was cool. Oh, I haven't seen the second one, Mike. I got to see that. Yeah. Just look, look,

look, look, and I'm the guy with diamonds on his face. Oh, that's the Stallone one. Oh, my God. Well, dude, look, man. I honestly, this is awesome. I really didn't know you other than seeing you every once in a while or hearing about you, but I always liked you. Oh, well, I was trying to remember, how do we, we know each other from, was it, is it Gina or Nicky Aycock's? Nicky Aycock's, is it? Nicky Aycock's, probably. Nicky, yeah. Yeah, I just. the movie years ago that no one should ever see. What was that? I don't want to talk about it. Oh, come on. No.

It doesn't matter. It was called Rave Macbeth. They lost the sound. So we had to loop the entire... Oh, yeah. We had to loop the entire movie. And what's funny, it was actually was really cool and different until we had to loop the movie. Imagine doing ADR, every line. Yeah. You have to say

all of the dialogue. God, Lord. Why? Because it was... They lost the sound. Something happened, man. I didn't even go. There was like a premiere for it. I was like, I'm not going to that shit. Oh, my God. I'm not embarrassing myself. I was just like, you know, this is just not good.

It's like, I put my heart and soul to this. I didn't get paid much for it. And then you lose the sound. I don't want to fuck. I spent weeks doing, I was the lead. So I was to do weeks of doing the ADR. Oh, my God. Was it a great, was it Mcbeth, though?

I mean, was the story of McBeth? Yeah, I mean, it was like loosely in a drug world kind of like, you know, in which he kind of, if it wasn't looped and if it was like, there was things wrong with it, but it had potential. It just. They were making a lot of movies. then, I remember, there were a lot of, like, drug-fueled, like, that movie spun or go, you know, movies right, right? Right around then, right. Yes, yeah. And this was its own little sub-genre. Yeah, and I shot this

in Germany, so it was, uh... That's right. I remember, yes, yes, yes. I met the girl named Merriam. Was she in that? Yep, she was in that Marguerite, Monroe. Um, Kirk Baltz. Kirk Boltz was the guy who got his ear cut off in Reservoir Dogs, great actor. Yeah. So he and I kind, yeah, we still talk about that everyone said well text me you know wow mike i you know i would love for you to be on the show because i now i feel like i have so many questions well let's do it let me know let me know when oh come on of course uh that'd be great thank you for letting me to be inside of you my friend justin and oh it's a pleasure to have you inside me let me know when you want me to come on and we'll do it i love that mike yeah yeah and i you know i can't wait for this

to be over it be nice to see you out out there who do you think he was thinking about i kept thinking, is he talking about Drew Barrymore? Is he talking about someone? I don't know. I wasn't interrogating the guy. I love him. I just, you know, I wanted to know some shit. Thank you again to everyone. Remember, new hoodies inside of you,

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this. Um, you know, as the weeks go on and the divisiveness continues, which there should be none, you know, we should just be, I don't get political on here. I hope you can enjoy that. I appreciate that, but, um, this isn't like, you know, I get it if you're like, oh, I'm strong and I'm healthy and I could do what I want. That's great, man, but it's not about you. It's about other people who, if they get it, they might die. You just have to be careful. You know, you just have to. Why is it so hard to wear a mask?

If you're going to a public place, wear a mask. If not, you're just disrespecting everybody in there. You're telling everybody that you don't care about them. Just try to follow the rules, man. Just try to help people. You know, if you don't believe in it, just stay home. I'm staying home. But, you know, when I go, I try to wear.

I do wear a mask. I don't know. I'm not going to tell you what to do, but I'm telling you what the fuck to do. Wear a mask. All right, that's it. Wear a mask. Come on, is that hard?

You got to rebel to your right not to wear a mask. You know, it's your right also to help your fellow human beings and save their lives. And, you know, sometimes they read on Facebook, some of my friends from back home. Jeez, ass. I try not to respond. Yeah.

Love thy neighbor, man. Truly love thy neighbor. but listen I love you guys thank you so much for listening we got a great episode next week I think you're going to really dig it I mean you're digging all of them but uh keep listening keep listening even if you don't like the guests or know the guest you'll learn something I promise thank you oh thank you to Ryan for the wonderful editing job thank you Bryce for your constant work as well and devotion to the podcast not like I'm paying these guys millions of dollars to do this

Right now, they're shaking their head. They're like, no, he's not. But I really appreciate it. And I always say, you know, hopefully this thing takes off more and more. And we were able to make it worthwhile for everybody. But I hope everybody's really enjoying the podcast and getting something from it. I really feel like everybody is. And that's the most important thing.

We talk about not comparing ourselves. I really don't. It's not comparing. I just want this thing to blow up bicker. That's it. Let's just grow it together. All right, thank you so much for listening. Thank you for allowing me to be inside each and every one of you.

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