Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - KAT MCNAMARA: Turning the Other Cheek, Dealing With Rejection & Supporting the Big Slick

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

💙 support Big Slick! https://bigslickkc.org/ Katherine McNamara (Shadowhunters, Arrow) joins again this week to catch us up on her life over the last few years and the idea of staying busy to engage your brain and maintain happiness. Kat discusses her process for dealing with rejection while remembering fond times on set with cast and crew during series like Walker and Arrow. We also talk about the difficulties with dating nowadays, her involvement with other Kansas City celebrities in the Big Slick, and the key to diffusing difficult situations with problematic actors. Thank you to our sponsors: 🍓 Strawberry: https://strawberry.me/inside 🐈 Smalls: https://smalls/com + “inside” 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You gotta shut it down. Yeah. No, um, it's crazy. It's crazy. I'm like, I'm running out of guests. I got to always, I got to always be on the prowl. I got to always hunt down these, these actors, these people who want to talk openly and, you know, inspire the world. Hmm.

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thank you for supporting the podcast and if you like it write a review follow us let's get inside of cat macnamara it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. It's just so pleasant. We're already in the conversation, guys. We're talking about ringtones, and she likes her Star Wars ringtones. It's true.

And I like my show tunes or like Price is Right game show. It's great. Do you ever watch The Price is Right? I did. I watched The Price is Right. Every day growing up. Yeah? Yeah.

It was right kind of when I would get, because I, big old nerd. I only went to school for like extracurriculars and, you know, all those things. But it was right when I would get home from school, from like Homeack or whatever Price is Right would be on. So my mom and I would sit and watch Price is Right and hang out in the morning. So the sound of Price is Right is nostalgic to you. Absolutely. So you hear it and you're like, ah, that was a moment, me and mom. Do you remember the games, there was Plinko?

Yeah. What, you dropped the thing and it goes, beep, p, p, p, p. It's the hardest. That's the hardest one. But that's why it's one they win the most money. But, you know, I just got back from Palm Springs and I went through a casino. And I didn't do well this time. No? No. But I love, like, I never thought I'd be the old guy sitting at the slot machines playing Wheel of Fortune. It's true. I mean, the slot machines, I, every time I go to Las Vegas, I have to just, you've got to put at least a quarter in a slot machine once. A quarter. At least, just one. Do you know how much money I spend on Wheel of Fortune? Because I'm usually. lucky and I do really well, but let me tell you something. You don't win with gambling. No. And what they do is the wheel of fortune. Every time you do it, almost every time it goes, wheel of. And you're like, and then it doesn't happen. But now your whole body's like, I want to say

fortune. Wheel of. Another dollar. Another dollar. Another dollar. Another dollar. And then you get it. And it spins the wheel. And it's like a thousand, 500. And somehow I, I, and this 30. Hey, you came out with something, though. No, but that's the lowest, and you have to get something, and it's 30. Out of 40 numbers on there, I get the lowest one every time. But I was at the airport on my way home from Vegas once, and I hit 1,500. Whoa. And everybody around me was like, whoa!

Holy moly. Yeah, it was awesome. That was an awesome feeling. But that doesn't happen. That's why it's so addictive, right? Yeah. I mean, the only time I've ever, like, seriously tried gambling in Vegas, I think we were, It was at the craps table or the roulette table, I forget.

But I know my friend and I had just gone on like a two-day trip to Vegas. And we made back all the money that we had spent on the trip and then started to lose and stopped. So basically, we got a free trip out of it. That's the goal. If you can go there and make money and say, if I hit this, I'm leaving. Yeah. Then you win. If your rooms paid for and your meals, you've won.

Everything in moderation. But you know how Vegas was built. It was built on losers. Yeah, I guess so. That's how they build Vegas. If everybody won, then it would be Vegas. That is true. Yeah.

Do you, I mean, you don't really gamble. When we talked, you were never really into anything. Like, no, in a good way. Like, I wish, like, you have no, you have nothing you're addicted to, right? Oh, caffeine, for sure. You're addicted to caffeine. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think that's anyone who works in film and TV at some point becomes addicted to caffeine.

How many coffees do you think you have a day? When I'm not working, one or two. One or two caffeinated beverages, depending on what I'm doing. Right. Because I train every day, and I do all that as well. But when I'm on set, it's usually just a steady drip of coffee. It's just a steady, steady, I have a coffee in my hand all day long. Really?

Is that healthy? Probably not. Although when I was filming Walker Independence, interestingly enough, when you're wearing a corset for 12 hours a day, I had to stop drinking coffee because... It bloats you? Too much heartburn. Oh, heartburn. I couldn't drink any coffee. And I remember starting the series learning that going...

How am I going to do this? Because I need this to get through. Were you exhausted every day? I switched to tea. And actually, I almost prefer tea now. Caffinated tea. Yeah, like English breakfast tea. Really?

Do you put milk in there like the English? I just started to recently. And I think I like it. But I'm not sure. I'm experimented. Oh, look, what you got there. Oh, look. I have my inside-of-you thermos that I'm going to take to every set.

Available inside of you online store. So you're not a drinker. I mean, not. You'll have a couple of drinks. Yeah. You'll catch your buzz every once in a while. I like a scotch. You know.

A scotch. Yeah. I mean, you're a little thing. I know, but. A scotch will probably give you a buzz immediately. Oh, well, yeah. I'm a good Irish girl. And also, you know, all the boys on Shadowhunters taught me how to drink because I was, I was

19 when I started that show. Who was the worst influence on Shadowhunters? I don't think there was a worse influence. Honestly, I was, I will say I was such a square when I started that show. Not that it's a bad thing, but. I remember meeting you through Isaiah. Yeah. Mustafa, of course.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. But I know now, looking back, that I definitely needed to have a safe space in which to kind of step outside of my comfort zone. And that's what those boys were for me. I mean, I had, you know, five big brothers around me at all times. And we did all sorts of fun things and had insane adventures every weekend. And I was really glad to have them around me because I did learn new things. And I did step outside my comfort zone and, you know, start drinking scotch and a bunch of other things. You're always working. You always have projects. You're always busy. You're always busy. I try to be. I like being busy.

I have the luxury of loving my job. I love what I do for a living. I love the people I get to work with. And I'm a happier and I'm a better person when I'm busy. Yeah, I think that's probably true with everyone. I don't think people realize how important it is to be active, to do something. I mean, I always talk about this. but if you're sedentary and you're not getting up or going outside or having something to look forward to or having a passion, that's going to kill you.

It is. It's just about engaging your brain in one way or another, you know, whether it's going for a walk and looking at the trees or reading a book or going and having a meal with your friends or just calling someone on the phone. You know, it's we're built to engage with things and we're built to kind of find outlets for the things that excite us. And, you know, as I get older, I'm finding more and stranger and different outlets for things. But I really enjoy it. What projects can we look forward to that they're coming out? Anything coming up that we, uh. There's a few things coming up. Any horror movies?

There is a horror movie coming up, actually. Yes. Is it good? It's very good. I haven't seen it, but the script is amazing. What is it? It is called Coyotes. And it is starring Justin Long and Kate Bosworth.

I love them both and they're married. I know. I got to get them on the podcast. Justin said they would both come on. They are just the nicest people I've ever met in my life. They just seem so happy. And sometimes you look at people and you're like, fuck you. You're not that happy.

Stop acting like you're happy. Yeah. And then you meet them and you're like, oh, you actually are. This is insane. But I met Justin a long time ago during the pandemic. You know, those weird friendships we made during the pandemic on social media. Such a sweetheart. Yeah.

And we've kept in touch. And I had never met Kate before. And so long story short with this film, it was, I was very, strange kind of synchronicity situation where I had almost worked with the director. Actually, oddly enough, he was supposed to direct the Urban Legends remake that I was supposed to do that fell apart because of COVID. You know, I was an urban legend. I do.

Yeah. Which another weird connection, the smallest world. And the director was a dear friend of mine who directed a film I made during the pandemic called Untitled Horror Movie. And so he wrote the film. The director was a friend of mine as well. And then Justin was starring in it. And we were, I'd been talking about it forever, me being a part of it in some way.

And then they called me and they went, hey, wait a second. We need somebody to come down to Columbia for about 48 hours and come be the girl that we kill in the beginning of the movie. Would you be willing to do that? And I said, abs a freaking looting. First class flights. I mean, I was just happy to go to Columbia. I'd never been to Columbia.

And it was just so much fun. I spent the entire evening. Where? Bogota. Bogota. It was in the mountains outside of Bogota, which oddly looks just like the Hollywood Hills of Los Angeles where the film is set. Yeah. I was shocked at how similar it is.

Wow. But I spent the entire evening, most of it upside out or on a hillside, head downhill, covered in blood, and, you know, I'll leave it at that. And that's the movie? That's the opening scene, at least. Of that movie? Yeah. With Kate and Justin.

Yeah. Wow. So you're like the Drew Barrymore of Scum. scream exactly and it was so sweet were you just was it just hard and like really like dirty and gritty oh yeah like you got your hands dirty at the end you were like sore yeah at the end it was actually very sweet of them did they all clap when you wrapped i don't know i don't remember actually because it was about four in the morning but they did get out of here they did come up to me and say um because it was very cold oddly this was in november and they said um we've they were shooting in this house because

most of the movie takes place there and they said we've turned on the shower in the house for you if you'd like to wash off all the blood in a real shower before you'd drive the hour, drive home. I was like, thank you so much. You have no idea how much I want to shower right now. But it was the sweetest thing. Kate and Justin weren't even in the scene, but they came out and spent most of the night with us just so they could come hang out and say hi. Are you serious?

I was like, go home. I've never met her, but she seems like a doll. She seems really amazing. She is everything I hope to be someday. She's an incredible actress. She's the nicest person. She's stunning. Isn't it just, I mean, we always talk about this.

Isn't it easier? Not even in the industry, in the entertainment industry, but in life. It just takes so much less energy to be kind, just to be pleasant. Yes. It's just, you know, and sometimes it takes a while, like, to figure it out, to figure it out. You're worrying about all these things. You get irritable. You're this.

You're on set. But like when you could just let go and just be like kind. Yeah. It changes everything. doesn't it? I wish more people realize that. You know, it's so much simpler and easier to be kind and it takes less effort. At least I feel like, I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it takes more effort. Not that I'm ever purposefully unkind to people, but I don't know, the other comes just more naturally. Yeah. Have you ever worked with people that are unkind?

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Download the Rockett. Rocket Money app and enter my show name inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum in the survey so they know I sent you. Don't wait. Download the Rocket Money app today and tell them you heard about them from my show inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Rocket Money. Have you ever worked with people that are untimed? I have. Not many, but you know, it happens. So what do you do? I'm just kind back because I think sometimes that diffuses the situation. Kill them with kindness? Yeah, it diffuses the situation.

Was it on a set? Like, no one's going to know. You've done a lot of projects. It's been, yeah, in a variety of situations. Yeah. Where they just weren't nice to people? Yeah, in general, yeah. And you're like, oh, that person.

Well, I'm not going to let them bring me down. Exactly. Were they a good partner? The few, well, I don't find that that breeds creative collaboration anyway. You know, I- you're not kind, it's not going to be great. Yeah, I think my, my, the projects where the best work has come out is when everyone comes to the table open and excited to collaborate and learn from each other. And, you know, because no matter how much experience you've had in the industry, I think you can always learn something from the people you're working with, whether they've had more or less experience than you. And it always makes me excited. The, the thing I love most about what we do is sort of the, you know, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, this kind of weird collective imagination that we all have. And, the, the thing. And that somehow everyone's ideas come together and build on each other to create something greater. Are you someone that when you're on set, you go, hey, what if I try this?

Do you always come up with stuff? Are you like, hey, I like how it's written. I'm going to do what I'm told. I'm going to be the best I can. And you don't really add things to it? It depends on the project, I think. You know, some things will kind of inspire more ideas from what's on the page. I'll see what's on the page and I'll go, wait a second.

if, you know, it's like algebra. If X and Y, then what if Z kind of thing. Right. Is that algebra? I don't know. It's some sort of math. I think it's algebra-esque. No, I'm kidding.

But I think, you know, especially when you have other people working with you that are doing the same thing, the sort of tennis or ping pong, if you will, of those creative ideas can just only make everything better. But, you know, when you've been working with people for a long time, sometimes that happens without saying, as you know, from being on a series for many, many years. the writers and the writers and the way the character is written and the way you play the character kind of become one in a lot of ways. Well, you know, you know, I think what you're saying is when you're on set, you know the vibe. Yeah. You know, like, can I play around?

Can I do this? You know, if not, it's pretty evident. It also honestly depends on the set because some people are more open to that. Some people, some directors don't like working that way. And, you know, I'm flexible. I just kind of feel out the situation and do the best that I can. I like to play. I do too.

I like to play. I like to be like, hey, we got that. Could we just do one for us? I agree completely. Let's just try to. Let's just have more fun. Let's do this. Let's just let it go.

And if it works, it works. If it doesn't, great. But it's fun. It feels collaborative. It feels like you're a little freer. I agree. And I think creatively, those are the times when the surprising magic moments happen. The things that you never would have expected, the things that you can't write that have

become some of the most. iconic moments in film intelligence history. Oh, there's so many. Yeah. You know what? I think when we talked last, you don't really get anxiety. Not particularly. You get nervous? I think there have been times where I have been, but like, if you have a big speech and it's a big scene and it's day one and all this stuff, you're just like, it's work. Let's do it. I think if I'm prepared. If I'm unprepared, I will be a nervous. Have you been unprepared? There have been times. Where you felt like you were ill prepared. Yeah, there have been times. I mean, look, especially the way that things are shot now,

there's not enough time for anything to happen. There's more pages than you should be shooting in a day. And especially if you're leading the film or the TV show, there's a lot coming at you. And there are some days where you get set and you go, yep, I did not look at that scene yesterday. I haven't looked at it since last week. All right, let me hope that these words can somehow end up in my brain.

Or you get a rewrite as you're coming into the scene. And you're like, great, cool. Nobody knows this. So let's figure it out together. I don't like rewrites before a scene. No, no. on my cue cards yeah but you figure it out you know that those are the moments i think anything that's challenging or or terrifying or whatever it is those are the moments where you grow yeah you know that's

one reason i did this uh stephen king miniseries the stand a few years ago and i was coming in an episode four did you meet step i did not i wasn't there when i came to set i know there's been twice now because isaiah brought me to the set of it too because he knows how big a stephen king killing him. And I've missed him twice now. So someday, someday Stephen King. Do you? Yeah, he autographed my carry book. Oh, my God. That's amazing. There's somebody in here. I don't know where it is. I'm such a big fan. Yeah, I have so many autographs. Did you notice all the autographs? I did notice all the autographs. I mean, like you got Kurt Russell, the thing. Good Lord. You got the whole aliens cast. Oh my God. You got Gene Hackman. Oh, my God. You got, uh, come on.

It's amazing. You know, I think, you know, next, if God forbid, there's another fire and I have to evacuate. I have to put all these in the van. Yeah, yeah. You can have to just maybe roll, I don't know, it depends on how much time you have. Yeah, you're not going to have time to roll. I think you just take them, stack them, throw them in the van. Right. Just figure it out. I mean, I live for this shit. People sometimes think, you know, why do you need that? Why do you need an autograph? Because it's just, it's the kid in me. It's a piece of history. It's like, these are movies that I love that, you know, are nostalgic. And I look and I'm like, oh, he signed it for me. This guy signed. And most times, you know,

On set, I'm like, and I'll ask you this, but I'll, I'll ask if I, if I'm in awe, like Steve Martin. I work with Steve Martin. I'm like, and he was really cool. When we had lunch, he was like, tell me about Smallville. And I said, Steve, would you sign my jerk poster if I brought it in? He goes, well, yes. And I brought it in. I have a jerk poster signed by Steve Martin.

I don't know why that's not up. I was going to say, where's that poster? But like, do you? ever ask someone for an autograph? Have you ever done that? I don't know that I've ever asked someone for an autograph. Would you? Or a picture? When I was living in New York and I was going to see Broadway shows, I would take my playbill to the stage door if I really loved the show and it was someone, you know, that I really looked up to. Sure, I've done that. Who have you gotten? Vanessa Redgrave is the one that I can remember because she was doing, she and James Earl Jones

were doing Driving the Stacey. And she actually stopped and talked to me and spent, like, I was one of the only people at the stage door. And we, and we, and, up chatting because I think there was a mutual um friend crew member that had gone from my show to her show or something. Wow. It was a connection. Yeah. It was crazy, weird small world, which is why I love Broadway. But, um, I probably should have done over the years, you know, given a few of the people that I worked with now. If you worked at a movie with Merrill Street, would you get an autograph from Merrill Street or a picture because let me tell. I would get a picture for sure because that's that to me like those memories like me more I guess so but here's the deal

here's what I want to explain I think they think that oh it's embarrassing they're my peers but chances are you're not going to work with Merrill again that's true 99.9% chance you're not going to do something part two yeah or whatever right so I just say hell with it I'm gonna keep this is forever I have a postcards from the edge post or signed by Merrill Street that that to me is a win more than even doing the movie. It's a piece of history. It's a piece of history. I will say there is one time I did, and it's right when a little night music, the Broadway show

I did was closing. Stephen Sondheim had just published his book, finishing the hat, that is sort of like the breakdown of all his lyrics and why he wrote what he wrote and what it means and all that. And Stephen had been, or Steve, as he told me to call him, Steve, had been a huge part of the show. He would come see the show every two weeks. He was always backstage. He hosted a few dinners for us, and he was really a part of the show way more than he

even did today. So you felt comfortable doing it? No, because it's Stephen Sontime. And well, Steve to you. Exactly. Well, it took four of us, too. We all had our books because it had just past Christmas. And so we'd all gotten our books for the holidays and came up and went, you know, Mr. Sontime, would you mind signing these books? And he went, I will, but only if you call me Steve. That's awesome. It was just the kindest man. And I, I don't think we'll ever have someone like him again. But, uh, that's, I'm very grateful to have spent some time. You know, when I work with Steve Martin, I said to him, I go, I heard this story

about you that you, people would come up to you for an autograph and you would hand them a card instead of an autograph and it would say, you met Steve Martin. He goes, that's true. I did you do that. I think that's great. I mean, look. That's so funny. If you had that card, then I'd say, could you just.

Sign that. Well, yeah, exactly. But at least that's something. Like, it's a unique thing. And if he's not comfortable doing that, at least it's, you know, he's not just saying no. Yeah. You know, you know, something about you is unlike a lot of actors in this, I'm sure you have a good reason. But like, you always hear about people and dating and movie stars and actors and all dating.

I never hear, oh, Cat McNamara's dating so-and-so. Yeah. Nothing about your love life. Nothing about your personal life. Yeah. Is that deliberate? Not really. You know, I've seen so many of my friends either purposely, like, hide and mask their

entire personal lives or, you know, over publicize and promote it and, like, really put it out there. And I've kind of not done either. You know, I just kind of live my life and post what I post and spend time with who I spend time with. And I think it's... Are you dating? I am dating, but, I mean, it's not going particularly well at the moment. Oh, well, but I'm trying. This one air for a while. I'm trying. I mean, here's hoping. But, you know, I've had some wonderful relationships over the years. And, you know, people have questions. But if you Google, like, who has Kat McNamara dated, it's all incorrect.

It's entirely incorrect. And I sort of love that. It shows my girlfriends. I'm like, I don't even know this person. Exactly. And this person, I went on one date. What the fuck? With me, it's people I haven't even dated.

It's just people I've been friends with for a really long time. It's me with some friends, too. Like, oh, we dated. Like, yeah, it was, what's her name? It doesn't. Oh, Candice King. You know, Candice. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it said, we dated. We went on one date. Yeah. We went to an event together. Right. Well, but we dated. Well, I mean, who knows? I find it hysterical, though.

I sort of love it. And I'm sure, like, it'll happen eventually. And if, you know, if people do ever find out whoever I'm dating, fine. Because it, it shouldn't be. Well, not now. Well, I mean, look, but to me, like, if, you know, it doesn't become sensational if it's not a secret. And so I think it, you know, people should just be able to live their lives and it should be what it should be. And also I read somewhere where it says, it said that people who constantly post their relationships and pictures and all that stuff, they tend to not be happy couples.

It depends, though. I know some that are. And I know some that are. I guess it's really. I think it's just whatever is, is, I say this with social media in general. I think whatever's authentic for you to feel like sharing and how you feel like sharing it. That's exactly what you should do. And it should be different for everyone. And that's the only way it feels, like, right. And that's the only way people really respond to it, I think. I think people can tell when it's, you know, either too much or not enough or, you know, I don't, I don't post. I've been dating someone and I don't, I've never, almost never posted, very, very seldom because it's just like it's, it's our thing. It doesn't need to be out there.

But if it was some thing that was bigger and I thought, you know what, I'm going to share with the world, maybe. but like otherwise it's like nobody's business it's like you know yeah i don't i'm not i'm not keeping it like private i'm like i'm ashamed of my i'm happy about it i just don't choose to do that but if you're like together and you do something and take some photos and they end up on social media like who cares what about all those pregnant pictures you know when people are pregnant they just want to show 50 pictures of them like like like naked covering their boobs how many pictures of those have you seen i've seen a lot of them yeah but you know that's the go-to pregnant

It's the shirts off, you're pregnant, you're like nine months pregnant. Yeah. You're covering your boobs and you're just looking up at the stars. I mean, kudos to them for going through all of that nine months pregnant. Yeah, yeah, no. That's an ordeal. A photo shoot is an ordeal. I'm just saying that's to go too.

If you're pregnant, you've got to do that picture. Yeah. I mean, having not been in that situation, I don't know what I would do. But, you know, hopefully someday we'll find out. Do you think maybe there's a possibility you might want to have a family one day? Oh, I definitely do. Oh, you do? I definitely want to be a mom.

Yeah, I've always wanted to be a mom. Yeah, you'd be a great mom. Thank you. Just as long as you don't force your kid to graduate high school. No, no, no. Because that's when she graduated high school. No, I'll probably force them to read books because I think that makes you a better person. I wish my parents did that.

I had to start doing that later in life. Yeah. But yeah, they never were like, you should read this book. Michael, we read this, but this is fun. Let's have reading time. It was just, yeah. We won't get into my childhood. Everyone listening knows about that.

I mean, my parents never forced me to read. My mom actually had to do the opposite and be like, please put the book down and get some sleep. Please. Please put the book down and do something else. When you say you graduated at 14 years old. Yeah. Like you had already taken algebra and calculus?

Yeah. Calculus at 14. Yeah. I think I took that at 13. And then you got your master's at how old? I got my bachelor's at 17. My master's, I actually, I started it during Shadowhundred. In literature?

In literature. Well, I started it's a very long story. I started MBA and then realized that I was just learning this. the same things that I'd learned in my undergrad, but just how to apply them to the corporate ladder. So you left that. And I was like, I don't need to learn how to write an email in the corporate ladder. Like, I hope to never be in that position. Yeah.

And then I had started a master's in applied economics, which is like the math of economics, which is what I really love. That's my most nerdy that I get. That's cool. And it was great. It was at Johns Hopkins. It was an awesome program. How old were you when you got that?

I was, I was, I was, I think, 18 when I was doing that. But the way the program was set up logistically, you had to be online at certain times. And with my schedule, I would have never been able to finish it. So I switched to literature. And then I was doing 20 episodes a year, working like 16 hours a day and trying to do a master's degree. And I went, you know what? Let's put this away from a minute. I need to sleep.

So I'll go back to it eventually. And I'm glad I've kind of set it down because I think now I know much more specifically what I would like to study. Yeah. But, yeah, bachelors of science and business administration, summa, cum laude at 17. Now I just play D&D, and that's what gets my nerdiness up, you're a nerd, but like, it's just, it's just amazing because at 14 years old, I was like, what was I taking at 14? I was taking pre-algebra, general science, lunch, yeah, just not, but I was, yeah, that's another thing. But economics, does that mean you're really good with none? Are you really good with stocks and all that and investing?

Are you really good with that stuff? I used to be. I haven't studied it in over 10 years. But the side of economics that I was way more interested was developmental economics. The math of economics aside, like applied economics, which is sort of the mathematical mechanisms that make economics. But what I really wanted to be when I grew up before I was an actor was a developmental economist, which that's sort of where kind of so, sociology, anthropology, and economics meet. Because there's a lot of places in the world that are still developing economies, and they're so

reliant on, you know, the big powers of the world. And yet a lot of the ways in which their society works contradicts modern capitalist structures. And so developmental economists go in and sort of bespoke economies for these places. Really? And yeah. And at least from my understanding at the time, try and kind of help meld the two so that they can have an economy that will have longevity, but also build their own economic independence.

Do you want to do that? Are you doing that at all? Or do you think, like, let me ask you, if you, if acting wasn't a thing? Yeah. And singing. Yeah. Because I know you're a wonderful singer. Thank you. Would you go into that? If nothing in entertainment was a possibility, you know, if AI takes all our jobs in the next five years, then sure. Possible. It is possible. There could be some voice just asking you all these questions. Could you imagine? I would hate it. Like you're just talking to a computer in there, going, in Shadowhunters, why were you, you know, could you just be weird? I don't know. I think, I think a lot of humanity would be lost if that became our world. And that would be very sad.

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We're here to explore the wicked and reveal the grim. We are wicked and grim. Follow and listen on your favorite podcast platform. Do you still, how do you deal with rejection? Because you audition probably, I'm guessing five, ten times a month. Oh, yeah. Well, if I'm lucky. And most of them are probably rejections because you can't get every job.

Yeah. I mean, look, I don't know, I feel like rejection, this might be kind of sad to say. I feel like rejection has been a part of my life for most of my life. And mine. Yeah. Both personally? Yeah. And professionally.

It happens. I've only ever broken up with one person in my life. I've been broken up with the rest of my dating experience. Well, that's impossible to think, to the fathom, because, I mean, you do the full package, right? I don't know. You're just a kind person. I don't like, there's a lot of, I don't know. That's just guys.

Also, I think, I think this generation is terrible. I'm terrible at dating. I think right now in the world, everyone's terrible at dating. But that aside, as far as rejection goes, I'm just such a firm believer. And I credit, you know, my mom and grandparents to this. They sort of raised me believing that all things happen the way they're supposed to. And you might not understand it. And, you know, whatever's meant for you won't pass you by. And don't take it personally. Yeah, exactly. That's the key. It's like, cut it off. Yeah. Especially in the entertainment industry. So much of it has nothing to do with you or your performance or whatever it is. You know? Yeah. That's, I will say that's the most frustrating thing about a lot of the feedback I get. It's like, no, we loved it. It's just not you. And I go, okay, then I don't have anything to work on. I have a problem. I have a problem. If you're a casting director, I'm going to tell you right now what my problem is, if I go on the audition and I suck, you tell my agent he wasn't really prepared he couldn't get the lines out he just didn't it just didn't work at all yeah don't say we loved him he's great yeah because it's we loved him he's great every time and it's bullshit but you are great and so I would but I've been ungrate I've been non great what would it be ungrate non great I've been I've been sub great I've been we're coming up with our own terminology but look just I like honesty but I get so much you killed it and I remember telling my agent when I go Ryan

they're lying I didn't kill it I dropped the ball completely on that audition that's bullshit yeah she's not giving you the right right fee so I once asked a cast and director that I sat with and I said the same thing to him he goes do you know why because we don't want to burn bridges when if that person breaks out and starts doing a lot of work we don't want to be the person who's like oh he said I was this and he said I was this and he said I was that and there's a grudge and there's all this weird yes they said that to me so they're lying to save their own you know i mean look the people can be emotional and understand that i'm just not that person i would so much rather someone give me constructive criticism and give me the brutal honest truth

in any aspect of my life um i think that's the only way you grow as a person no i think i think you know you know somebody told me my performance if I said hey how had it had it go I go I go you know I thought you did okay I didn't think it was great but I would be like okay why and it would probably sting like oh shit I wasn't good I wasn't but that would just make me work harder yeah and want to prove myself more yeah well I think I've I don't know I feel the same way I've been in a lot of situations where I've had to prove myself over the years you know especially now I've sort of become tiny blonde lady who fights people in anything. I get hired to do that a lot. And thank you. But when I walk into a stunt room with a team of 20 stunt guys and a couple coordinators, I don't look like that if you don't know me. And it's one of those things that I've been so grateful. Even when I was learning to fight on Shadowhunters when I started, I didn't know how to hold a sword. I didn't know how to throw a punch. I didn't know anything. And I had to really work hard and, you know, fail a lot. They really cast the right person. Have you ever had fighting experience? No. Can you hold a sword?

No. Have you ever done any wire action? No. Okay, you're hired. Truly. On a show that requires all of it. Yeah, but I was lucky because I got to learn with my character. You know, I was the Harry Potter kind of going through learning everything. And I was grateful for that. And then by the time my character became a good fighter, I was too. And then I did most of my own fighting. It's cool. And it's a great learning experience too. And now it's worked and got you other jobs because now you're, you know, I guess a triple threat. Yeah. Yeah.

At least. Right? Yeah. I mean, stunts, you do stunts, you sing, can you dance? I can. You can dance, you can act. What else? I can play D&D.

I can run a D&D game. Oh, my gosh. I don't know. You're the sixth sense. I'm learning to produce. I'm hoping to direct one of these days. But even now, you know, I did a film, a lot of films, even that I get hired on that don't have action in them, they'll throw in a scene.

Like, I did a film last summer in the Dominican Republic called The Queen's Jewels, which is a very national tradition. meets Atterbank's kind of family treasure hunting adventure thing. And my friend Natalie Martinez, who I worked with on the stand, was playing the villain in the film. And they knew we were both fighters because we both had a lot of fight experience. And they went, oh, we're going to write you guys a fight scene in the middle of it just because you're both fighters and we've got you both here and we're going to make it happen.

And then suddenly I'm like jumping off of rocks into the ocean and doing all these stunts and running through the jungles. I think we did about 23 miles a day of running through the jungle. on that film, which I didn't know I was physically capable of sweating that much, but it looks amazing. That's great. It's funny how you can be miserable and it's hard. And then all of a sudden you see, you're like, oh, my God, I want to do that again.

That looks so good. But you forget about all the hard work that went into it. Well, but I will say on that one, I think it's also the people you're with because, yes, always. It was 90 degrees at 6 in the morning on that set every single day for three weeks, six days a week. Good Lord. But we had the time of our lives making that film. See, that's the, just saying that, it doesn't even matter if the movie is successful.

Exactly. If you have the time of your life doing something you love, you win. I mean, you're a winner. You're in one of the most beautiful places in the world with incredible people doing such fun work on a project that you get to do things that, you know, you never thought you'd be doing or wouldn't otherwise have the opportunity to do in your life. Yeah. So why not? Do you ever dream of winning an Oscar someday? I like to be nominated for something I think I would like to be working on the level of project that that would lead to sure but I wouldn't say the award is my goal I would say the material is my goal yeah you know I that's that's the reason that I'm trying to build in anyway in my career I just want to be working but ultimately the kind of material that really challenges me and is really interesting to me is the material I'll get to if I can you know move the needle to the next kind of

kind of chapter of my career, hopefully. Would you still do a horror movie, another horror movie? 100%. Would you do something that was gritty and dark and, I don't know, like running through the woods and creature? Yes, I'm actually honestly dying to do something like that because I often get cast as badass who fights people or super put together lady who's forgotten about love and then falls in love.

I never get to be messy. Well, this is, I'm just saying. Anyway, I'll talk to you after. It talks to me after. I like where this is going. No, it's great because you're also a survivalist in a sense. Oh, I love that. I am a girl scout.

Well, it's something that your father instilled on you. Oh, cool. And like, I'll tell you. Oh, I'm excited. But, you know, the only time I've ever gotten to really play a character that's messy is in the stand. And I will say it's one of the projects that I'm proudest of in so far as my work goes, which I don't say very often, but because I was so on a precipice of not knowing if this was, you know, the best work of my career or the end of it the entire time.

And I had to just, I had to just do it. I had to commit to it and just be in it and, you know, playing such a vile person that I am completely in opposition of and just about every opinion and characteristic of. And yet, finding a way to love that person and to humanize that person, not only for myself, but for the audience, and then just being someone who is so balls to the wall, but just messy and wild and unpredictable, it's a different kind of openness in play that you have to have to allow yourself to be unpredictable in that way. And I really enjoyed it. Yeah, there's like, you know, that's awesome. No, I love, I love hearing how you want to do the

work. You want to, you want to be in it. You're invested. When you're in, you're in, you're in. Yeah. And you're still close, your mom, you're very close to. I, My mom and I are so tight and have been for most of my life. We've been through many, many ups and downs together in our situation. Does she watch everything you've done? She does. Does she comment? Is she always a good supporter?

Oh, she is. But the thing is, my whole family is in science and medicine. So they know nothing about the entertainment industry. And it's the best thing because it's also not a big deal. You know, it's never, it's, I haven't become someone different to my family because I'm in movies. It's never, you know, they weren't in entertainment industry. I remember my grandfather calling me once.

It's funny. It just made me think about it. And he goes, he's watching Smallville and they would watch it every week. And he goes, yeah, what is this Lex? He's doing these things to Lana. What is it? That's not good. Why are you doing this?

Yeah. And I'm like, it's not me. It's the character or whatever. Like, I remember he used to question things. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah, we watched the show. You know, I don't know. No, it's so funny.

But he was always honest, you know, he would say things like, oh, you're a bad guy, Mike. You're a bad guy. I loved her. My family's kind of the opposite. They just love it. They just find it fascinating. And, you know, I think I will say one of the most gratifying things that really made me feel successful for the first time was, you know, having my grandfather who's, you know, a dentist

from a small town in Missouri finally see this as a career and not as just the thing. thing I'm doing before I go to a real job. You know, when I was finally supporting myself and working consistently and doing all this stuff, I saw the shift in him. And that was the biggest kind of mark of success for me. Yeah, that happened with my grandparents. They didn't really know what I was doing. Right.

They didn't know the, like, and then all of a sudden I invited them to come to a convention where I was signing autographs. And it just, I remember the look at my grandfather. face he's like what all these people in line for i'm like i guess me irv and he goes they're waiting in this line for you yeah that's that's fascinating what do they want i know but it was like i think that's when i saw that look like my grandson he's doing something that's bigger than i ever thought he would do yeah i mean he always loved me unconditionally like it didn't matter what what I did. But like, letting him see that was beautiful. And, um, yeah, it's, it's cool.

It's knowing, because most, you know, I don't know how many, even when I was successful in, with acting, some of my grandmother's friends would say, you know, um, it's a very difficult business. And, you know, a lot of actors, they don't make any money. So, you know, you should have something else. I go, yeah. No, I'm with you. Thank you. Not knowing that I'm actually working and like, You know, my grandma, he's an actor, and they would think that I'm, because most actors are unemployed, so I got it. Yeah. What's a role you were bummed you didn't get?

Some big role. Was there ever, did you ever go up for something and you, you know, you were bummed? You didn't get it? Many, many, many times. There's one that sticks out. There is one. What is it? Do you know the book, The Giver by Lois Lowry?

No. I think it's by Lois Lauer. Oh, goodness. The book, The Giver. Probably I'm wrong on the author. Brian will look it up. Yeah. So anyway, the book The Giver by Lois Lowry was one of my favorite books as a kid.

And they were making the film. And it was Jeff Bridges and Meryl Streep and, you know, a myriad of amazing people. And being the ginger freckled child that I was, the lead girl in the film, who's like the love interest of the main character, is a very tiny red-haired freckled girl. and I went up for it and auditioned a million times and actually I did one audition and was on my way I was flying to New York because I had a final callback for a Broadway show as well and so I was in Texas I think on my layover and I get a phone call and they're like hey we need you to come back because you have a director's session for this tomorrow and I went oh okay well I was going to New York early to see my family so sure I'll come back I've got an extra day I can still do that and then get on a plane that night, take the red eye and make the call back. Perfect. Did the callback. Went to the callback. Went to the airport. I'm sitting at LAX, getting ready to get on my plane, and they're like, we need you to come back tomorrow for a chemistry test. And because it's between you and one other girl. And you missed the Broadway? And I had to make a choice.

And I went, if I don't try, because I'm this close to this part in the book that I carried around for years as a child, I'll regret it for the rest of my life. So I miss. I miss. I missed out on playing Sarah Jessica Parker's daughter and Blythe Sanders' granddaughter in a Broadway play and went back and did the chemistry test and then for several weeks after they were trying to make this decision and they're calling being like, do you have a passport? Are you ready to fly to South Africa? Can we put you on a plane? Whatever. And looking back on it, again, it's one of those things that has nothing to do with you. It's all about, yeah. Because the girl who booked it is an incredible actress, but she and I look entirely different. And it's, I think, I don't know. But what I surmised from the. the situation as they were trying to decide between going with the type physically in the book and against or against it and they ended up going against it and more power to them but still did you cry i don't think i cried but did they ask you on the broadway show to come back oh no i missed that completely that was done yeah that was done they don't put up at that no no that was a done deal with

broadway if you're there you're there if you're not oh well oh my gosh so i missed out on two jobs yeah um and i've been close on stuff too that's just like holy shit i thought that would that would That would have been a big one. Yeah. And you know what? But you look back and you're like, there was something else that was supposed to happen instead. You know, something that was more right for you. And there's a reason that that didn't happen.

There's a reason it didn't work out. And that's fine. There's nothing you can do about it. So why wallow in that? There's so much in life that you can do nothing about. And life is so short. You know, nobody's dying. Nobody's hurt.

Just being grateful. Being grateful moving on, trying to help the world. Be kind. Exactly. Shit talking with Cat McNamara. This is rapid fire. My top tiers have asked questions, so you're going to answer them, hopefully. Oh, amazing.

Go to patreon.com slash inside of you and support the podcast and help us out. We'd appreciate it. Before we jump into that, can I bring up something I'd love to talk about if we're wrapping up? Well, you've got questions first, and then we'll wrap up. Okay. I just, another thing I wanted to just bring up because it's going to be that time of year is the big slick, which is a huge charity event in Kansas City. And just because it's such a huge part of my life.

life, and we're gearing up for it right now, and it's going to be the 16th year of the Big Slick this year. Tell me about the Big Slick. So the Big Slick is a charity organization that was started by a bunch of comedians that are from Kansas City 16 years ago. Just a few names you might know. Paul Rudd, Jason Sadekis, Eric Stone Street, Rob Regal, and David Keckner. And now Heidi Gardner, who's also from Kansas City, they're now the big six.

And there's a bunch of folks also in the entertainment industry from Kansas City. David DeMalcun, Anthony Hill, David Cook. A bejillion people are from Kansas City. It's truly astounding. And we all go back every year and bring back a bunch of our other friends that we've worked with in music and entertainment and film and television. Do a concert? And we do everything. We do comedy, concert, music.

We play two innings of a softball game before a major league game in the Royal Stadium. We go to the hospital. We visit kids. But you have to be from Missouri. You don't have to be. We bring back everybody. We bring back whoever we can, whoever's going to bring in support for the hospital. I wish I had jurisdiction over who comes.

Tell them I'm interested. Ring up the boys. They'll get you in there. But what's so fantastic about it is children's mercy is the hospital there. And all of this money, they focus a lot on pediatric cancer research and care. And they have so many departments outside of that even that wouldn't even be possible. So many experimental research trials that would not even be possible without the big slick. And they're a hospital that operates a lot like St. Jude.

They'll treat the kids no matter what and deal with the rest later. I love that. And it's honestly the most incredible thing. There's certain departments there that within, you know, and six hour, eight hour radius of that hospital are not available in a pediatric kind of unit. Wow. And so there's families that will drive six to eight hours one way just to be treated at this hospital because it is one of the premier children's hospitals in the country.

Where can people donate? They can go to big slick kc.org. And Big Slick KC, KC, like the letter K, then C, BixLickC.org. And we have a huge variety show that happens at the end of the weekend with an online auction that even if you're not there, you can still bid on some of the items. There's a live auction. And we raise, we top our total every year. Over the 15 years, last year, the grand total was over $25 million. And in last year alone in a three-day weekend, we raised $3.9 million for the hospital.

Good for you. Good for Big Slick. This is, I love hearing this. I, I, I do a lot of charity work and, and work with the Ronald McDonald House here in L.A. and, and, uh, food on foot.org and, um, all the, and it's just, and, you know, when when I think of children, I just, you always want to do anything you can. Well, and the more involved I can be. Yeah. I just keep trying to get more and more involved. I'm running the 5K for them this year because there's a, the hospital has a, it's called the

hospital hill run. They have a 5K, 10K, half marathon marathon that happens the same weekend. So I'm getting up and I'm running the five. K and then I have like 20 minutes to get ready and get dressed and get on the bus to go to the hospital. So I'm just adding more to my plate. BigslitkC.org. We have so many great people who listen to every episode. So I'm sure they're going to donate and. Thank you so much.

And I'll donate for sure. Well, we'll try and get you involved. Yeah, yeah. I'll be involved. Whatever. You don't have to fly me out. This is the thing. I'll post.

I always like helping out. I mean, look, it takes some, especially for the entertainment industry, you know it's the people that are there for the right reasons to. to take time out of their schedule, to come to Kansas City of all places for a weekend. You know why? Why? Because it's not about when the cameras are rolling. It's about what you do when the cameras aren't rolling. That's exactly it.

100%. But you'll have a ton of fun. Right, right? Yeah. But you'll have a ton of fun and we'll feed you a bunch of barbecue. So you really might have the better end of the deal there. If you get me in, I'm in. You can get protein at home or a protein latte at Tim's. No powders, no blenders, no shakers.

starting at 17 grams per medium latte Tim's new protein lattes Protein without all the work at participating restaurants in Canada I should talk with Cat McNamara Patreon.com slash inside of you Little Lisa what song would best describe you Best describe me

maybe the canteena band song from Star Wars just because it's happy and nerdy and you know you remember it. All right. I don't know. Geez, Raj, tell me about a time you felt you manifested something into reality. Interestingly enough, I'm not sure if this is just the time or it didn't. I, before Shadowhunters, I had been a series regular on one TV show, but, you know, further down the call sheet and all these things. And I really wanted to have a TV show that I could just dive into head first and create a world and be a part of something bigger than me.

And it was about a year. I would go to bed every night and think about it. and, you know, try and dream about it or whatever it might be. And a year later, shadow hunter has happened. And I will say, I just think the energy you put out into the universe is what comes back to you. And whether that's manifesting or positive thinking or whatever it might be, I just think that, you know, I think those things are real in a way. Nica P. What helps you get in a good mood when you're having an off day? Ooh, it can be a lot of things. It can be music. It's usually going for a run or doing something to kind of shake me out of whatever

routine I'm in, but it can also be as simple as calling a friend and having a conversation or calling my mom. You've got a friend. Yeah. Sometimes a conversation with someone you love is enough to turn your day around or someone smiling at you. A stranger smiling at you on the street can be enough to turn to a day around. Yeah.

Please don't do that. Yeah. Taylor R. What are the difficulties working on a Disney project compared to others? I don't know, really. I wouldn't say there are particular difficulties in any other corporate company you work for. You know, every, every corporation that is as big is, yeah, they all have, you know, there's the, every shirt you wear has to go through, you know, 17 approvals before you do, or every, you know, dialogue change or whatever it might be. I know.

But obviously they know what they're doing because, you know, they've been in business for as long as they have been and they're still doing all right. True. Linda M. What do you love most about life? That's a really interesting question. I think the fact that there's constant opportunities to learn things. you know, I think I always try and learn something new every day or explore something new or find something new. And I think the fact that the world is so big and life is so surprising. I think if you're open to those things, it can be a really interesting, fulfilling life. I think I worked with Rod Steiger, who was an Oscar award winner. He was the brother on the waterfront. Oh, cool. that he talks in the car and uh he said he said hi how you doing today i'm like uh you know

doing our i guess try missing one like try missing one day in other words it's like every day's a great day yeah try missing one yeah you know what i mean yeah and i really liked it i really liked it was simple but it was just like you know it's so true it's like no matter how hard and we all have we face adversity we uh our mental health you know sometimes is a little fractured and we got to work on things and disappointments and money issues and this and that it's like okay you're alive though you're alive so you know what can you do to make things better yeah you always have a chance to hopefully make things better if you know not and not everyone i mean if obviously there's this comedian he said something like i forgot i'm not i'm gonna mess it up but he's like he's like you're

healthy or you're not. If you're healthy, you've got nothing to worry about. If you're not healthy, two things. One, you're going to get better. Two, you're going to get worse. If you get better, there's nothing to worry about. If you can get worse, two things. You're either going to die or are you going to go to heaven. If you go to heaven, you got nothing to worry about if you go to hell, you're going to either be crispy or extra crispy. He just keeps going. It's a lot longer, but it made me laugh. It was so fun. But I was like, it's kind of true. It's like, if you're healthy, you got nothing to worry about. Yeah. Just be healthy. Nothing to worry about. Yeah. If you're not healthy, I just thought it was so funny. But that's just it, though.

It's a choice. You know, life is always a choice. It's a choice whether or not to have a good day or a bad day. And yes, everybody has bad days. Everybody goes through things that. And if you're going through something, sometimes you do need to, you know, acknowledge it and feel it and process it and work through it. But don't live in it. Don't stay in it. Yeah, that does you no good.

It does you no good. Why wouldn't you want to move beyond it and overcome it and keep going? I've had those days where I'm like, in bed, I have anxiety and I just don't want to get out of bed. And I'm just like, what are you doing? You're just bathing in this, basking in this shit. Yeah. So I just go, fuck. And you get up and you don't want to get up and you walk down the stairs and you put

your shoes on and you go outside and you walk up the street and you go, do you feel worse now? No. Do you feel better? Maybe a little. Yeah. Well, there you go. Yeah.

It's do something. Yeah. Do something. My friends always know I'm going through something when I'm like running 12, 13, 14 miles a day. Like, are you okay? Like, yeah, no, I'm just, I'm running. I'm running all the time. I'm great.

fine that's uh in the movie evil dead evil dead too bruce campbell's looking at his image his self in the mirror and his reflection he he looks at his reflection he goes he's gathering himself he says you're fine you're fine and his reflection comes out and strangles him and goes you just chopped your girlfriend up in millions of pieces does that sound fine It's so funny, but it's like, last question, Amber C, which series you have liked, would you have like to continue? If you had to choose, Walker Independence, Arrow, or in the Canaries? Oh, out of those two, um, just because I had more time on Arrow, I will say Walker

Independence, just because there was so much that we had just gotten into in the story. And that cast was so tight. And we all, every single, just one. We did 13 episodes. Well, because CW had changes. Oh, yeah, that's always. We were in the, you know, the CW Red Wedding, as they call it. Yeah.

But look, CW is doing what they're doing, and I'm so grateful to have worked for them as long as I did. But that show, the cast was so excited to be doing it. Every single person had something interesting going on with their character. The world was so rich. The show was so well-made. We had anim-like, it was a beautiful show. We had this amazing thing. 15,000 acre ranch we were shooting on.

Well, you shocked when they said, we're not coming back? Everybody was. And we're still sad about it. We still all hang out together. And I bet you, what's funny is I had a show that got canceled. We did two seasons. And the numbers we were getting would be a hit show right now. Yeah, same on locker.

It would be a hit show right now. Yeah. I've talked about this with the producers. It's like our numbers were good. They were decent. But now that show would have got six years, the numbers. Yeah, but it's the same thing with Green Arrow and the Canaries. I would have loved to continue playing that character for ages and even Shadowhunters.

You know, we, it was one of the highest rated shows on Netflix internationally. We were doing great on free form. And, you know, the way the politics of the industry worked, it didn't continue. But, I mean, with the way the industry is now, who knows what's going to happen with any of those things? Like, I would go back to any of those in a heartbeat if I was asked. That's great. Well, this has been awesome. I always think I've interviewed you this is this the third time I think so and it's like what am I

going to talk about and I'm like then an hour goes by and it's just easy effortless fun it's like two two friends just talking yeah well it is it is I enjoy it's also you like you're such a good host and interviewer no I don't say that lately very thank you but I think it's because with these headphones I'm forced to listen I have to listen I have ADD so it just and then I'm invested and I'm listening and I'm thinking well like like you should when people are talking you're thinking of like how to like how to respond or go down that oh to talk about that and like a conversation so thank you but um thanks for being here course anytime you're always great do you have a dog I don't I wish I'd I travel too much do you okay I have dog nieces and nephews

you do I adopt my friends dogs and claim them as my own you do yeah oh that's sweet yeah yeah a lot of dogs. Anyway, thanks for being here. What can we look forward to again? We have the queen's jewels which should be coming soon. Coyotes is coming soon and a bunch of more things that I've got a million irons in the fire right now. You just let me know so when this comes out. We could put it in there. I will, but big slick is the biggest thing that's coming up. Big slick kc.org donate. It's such an amazing thing, organization and hopefully I'll be part of it. Yes, I hope so all right. Thanks so much. Thanks. What can you say?

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