Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Keanu Reeves, Robert Mailhouse & Bret Domrose from DOGSTAR! 20 Year Hiatus & Music Escapism

Episode Date: December 19, 2023

This week we’re joined by the band Dogstar with members Keanu Reeves, Robert Mailhouse and Bret Domrose. Make sure you check out their new album ‘Somewhere Between the Power Lines and Palm Trees�� because we get into a lot of it this episode. The guys share their feelings coming back after decades of not performing together and the catalyst that brought the band back. We also get into the idea of nerves driving performance, horror-story gigs, and the therapeutic power of music. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🟠 Discover: https://discvr.co/3Cnb1V8 🏈 PrizePicks: https://prizepicks.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We've got a very special episode. I've been wanting to get, well, I've been wanting to get Canna Reeves on the show for a long time. I worked with him a long time ago. I love him. Who doesn't love Canna Reeves? But what's awesome is I met two guys, one of which I'd met a long time ago, Brett and Rob, who are in this band Dogstar with Cano. And I enjoyed it immensely. you know at first it was just like i just want piano on the show i want kiano show and they're like

well hey you know dog star would like to be on and there's this band that i listened to you know in the 90s and then they had broken up and then these guys got back together and there's so many great stories and you know we get into the mental health aspect and really fun and insightful and i fell in love with the other two guys i mean i was already in love with kiano i had a great time rice i truly had a a great time and i think it comes across um and you know it's also good it's their music i like their music it's not like i'm sitting there going oh gosh here we go i gotta you know if it was metal stuff you know real hard metal i'd be like oh yeah the metal i wouldn't know what to say but it was music yeah you get into some of the songs off their new album yeah somewhere between

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enjoy have a wonderful holiday um be good to yourself and let's get into this podcast let's get inside of dog star it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum inside of you with michael rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience this isn't your man case no this this is this is the the podcast room i have an affinity for horror movie movies and um so it's you know i always ask guests like do you have anything signed or any memorabilia and the answer usually is no so i'm guessing can no you don't have an i are not really i got a couple of things well i mean i see you have a poster of dracula and he signed it and he signed it amazing

in blood oh that's not blood that's a sharp cross oceans of time that find you to find you. That's good. He's so remarkable. I mean, it's just... So I gave Francis Ford Coppola once for his birthday some mushrooms. What? And then, uh, yeah. Yes, this is great start. Well, we were doing Dracula. Wait, before you, he directed it or after? No, no, I think it was, it was, it was, I don't know it was during. It was his, I heard it was his birthday and I happened to have an eighth of some mushrooms and so I gave him to him. And how did he react? He He took them. I don't want to see.

He had a very nice birthday. Wow. He said he enjoyed them. That's why Roman directed the first five minutes. I think. No, Roman was doing all the experimental, not experimental, but. Dad, I got this just go over there and drink. Wow, you gave mushrooms to one of the biggest directors of all time.

I heard that Gary Oldman didn't get along by the way with him. No, no. They got along. Did they? They did. So after he did the mushrooms, he did the Apocups recut. He did the redux. He's like,

wait a minute well somebody went up too much they were interviewing him i remember i had the laser desk and they said to him hey what's your relationship like with frances for a couple it's like when you you're in you're dealing with a relationship like this you know in a business like this you've got to have a great ego and francis for copel has an ego the size of san francisco and i've got a pretty big one too yeah yeah so it was like two egos but they probably No, there are two, let's not call them egos. I mean, they're great, profound artists. That's right.

True. That was a good sit and Nancy. You almost had, I felt like that was a good sit. I love that movie. Everything Gary does. Gary's the best. But this isn't about Gary Oldman. This is about Dog Star.

This is a long time coming. I've been playing. When you walked in, I was a little embarrassed because I didn't mean to have your music playing around my house. We're going to do an interview, so we appreciate. you taking the time to listen to the work that we've created. Back in the day, you guys toured with David Bowie. Well, we didn't tour. We had a show.

Well, a show, but you toured with Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi. In Australia and New Zealand. And I keep thinking, how did you not just want to, like, were you crawling out of your skin with nerves? Like, how do you do that? How do you open for John Bon Jovi? Well, when you open for John Bon Jovi and your dog star,

you go on when it's still light out and it's the afternoon and it's you and a handful of people and the sunshine. A couple of... Mostly vendors. And some vendors walking around. So, you know, it's kind of chill. You're downplaying it though. You're kind of like the third, you know, you're the opener before the opener. But they were great to us and it was a great experience. But yeah, we played in front of a handful of people. I mean, nerves are good. It's nerves are different than like fear. That's different. Nerves are more like excitement and. Well, my nerves are fear. Okay, that's different. My nerves are fear too. Brett, what are your nerves? I just pretending there was no cameras there. A version of like everyone's naked. My nerves are excitement, usually. Unless I don't

know the song. See, that's, I'm with terror. I'm not kidding around. Mine are usually based. I had this conversation with my psychiatrist before I interview you guys and I was like my when I get nervous it's well it's good everybody has nerves it's this is I go no no I need something for this because it can be crippling sometimes sometimes it's and it's all fear it's all fear based failure looking like an idiot but you find um like in acting like if you're really prepared like you still get the nerve but it's it's a different kind of nerve because it's like you feel good if you're I feel like if you're not prepared, then it becomes a whole other set of nerve. It's a nerve of like, oh, I didn't prepare enough.

And then I'm afraid of that more so than like, oh, I'm just nervous because there's all these people. I'm on Jimmy Kimmel, which I think is smart. I think if you're not nervous, you're dead almost. You're not alive. Like, it's just electricity. So the thing is how you channel those. And I think being with these two guys helps me helps a lot because, They can be calming too, you know, just being with these two guys.

Really, you guys are that calming? Because right now, I feel they help me a lot. Well, I sense like this. I know, Robert's the calming one. Is he really? Yeah. Why? Why is Rob calm?

He's like, hey, man, you know, just play the song. Play the show. Just focus on the song. Well, what are you saying before he says that? Are you saying, I'm like, oh, what the fuck? I'm going to fucking fail. And what the fuck is all going to go wrong? I don't know what if I don't remember and oh my gosh and like yeah and even when I'm prepared

I get nervous but he's like man just play the song yeah what the fuck man I guess that's just wisdom Rob not me yeah Rob not Brett you don't get nervous very often do you I do I do and you're singing I get nervous when the when there's a newer song that I don't have locked in yet and we're going to go perform it and I'm like maybe I got the lyrics maybe I don't here we go We'll see. So that part is nerve-wracking. But yeah, when you're well-rehearsed, then you get to focus more on, like, the audience

and the other band members and have fun with it. Yeah. So ideally, we're well-rehearsed and the nerves are a minimum. I just want to know how you could be so successful being fear-based, like your nerves are fear. Like, I mean, that's just, but it's gotten you through it. You've gotten through it. Yeah.

Yeah. I said, I mean. Yeah. I wish I could be other people where it wasn't fear. I wish I could do that. But maybe that's just how we're wired. I mean, we're talking about degrees too, right? There's, you know, more, you're sometimes more nervous.

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too long. It's like, and then they call for you and like now and like, well, wait a minute, you know, I've been here for four hours and then, but we want it now. Right. And then I think it's, it's when you're on the road with this, with these guys, I feel like you get into this like rhythm and you don't have time for that. You are calming. On this particular, you are fucking calming. It's his voice and the way he just is, there's some kind of optimistic feeling you get, When you're just talking, it's like, everything's going to be all right. Do you feel, Brett, you don't always agree with that. He's like, well, you know, you can, you know, sure you guys bang heads.

I just sit back and let it be. No, it's, I agree with Rob in the sense that, yeah, if you, if you overthink it, then that's where the wheels come off. So I think like yesterday, we did a, we did a rehearsal and it was great. And then we recorded a pass and it was, oh, cool. And then you guys want to. do it again and then it's like oh okay and now we're thinking and then we sucked yeah so it was like oh let's just use that first one because why did we even do the second one we're thinking right i mean

i think we're in our head and going absolutely thinking but when you just come out and bang done and it's like okay and that becomes a little more second nature right yeah second you start getting cerebral then it's like look out yeah i get well enough about nerves we can get it in nerves at another time but you know i start thinking about you guys were together well you know for how and long for 20-something years before you stopped? Yeah. 10 maybe? Yeah, around 10 years.

And then what was it? Was there an event? Was there something that sparked, hey, let's do this again in our 50s or whatever? Because, you know, it's like what was it some sort of excitement, something like, hey, we have more to do here? No. But eventually, yes.

I mean, was there? Yes, maybe. I don't know. I can't speak for it. I don't know. I mean, I know that we love playing. And we, and although within those years, we did get together and, you know, my home and play in the, in the studios, you know. Right. Kiano's had a rig that that never left. I mean, it just, it was just always there. So, and so we did get together. We got together. I look back in, you know, videos and stuff. There's like 2011. I see that we were there. And, you know, you're iPhone size dates. I'm like, oh. shit we were there in 2011 and then certain time in 2050 so we did sort of bomb in and get together but i guess we made a conscious decision to try to do something um sort of right around after the pandemic there we were up at up at the matrix premiere in san francisco and we as brett was saying we had a conversation about gear or something and we kind of nerded out about that and and we just i don't know the timing just sort of came together and we just we got together and played and it just sounded good let's give it a

try yeah yeah i guess so it's like i guess you don't know what you're getting into until you just get into it yeah and brett was living in san francisco at the time so he came down and stayed with me and um i think it was great just sort of it was sort of like you know that beatles movie where they're all they all sleep in the same was it a hard day's night or help help where they're all like sleeping in that living room yeah and those beds like sunken beds it kind of felt like that you know we'd get up at breakfast together and then kind of would come over spent eight hours and we kind of did It was like camp. Right.

And then I don't know how it happened. But we came up with 12 songs. Honestly. And how long? 10 minutes. No. How long was that? We had more than 12 songs.

Yeah, like 16. 15, I think. But how long was that? A couple of two weeks or three weeks? Probably if you're looking about talking about days spent, probably what, 21 days overall? Jesus. Three different sessions of. Look a prolific.

Eight days gone for a month, come back another eight days kind of thing. And what do you send voice memos to each? other you have an idea for a song you want to you guys send it no it was all done in the same room candy grams we send each candy there was nothing really other than you know if cano had a bass riff or something he would bring that in but there was really no no writing done singularly i don't think on this one was just kind of i have this idea or you know probably just start playing a beat and then we just look at each other and go re-recorded everything so we got lucky we caught every every little moment every

the entire session yeah everything we did we were no whenever we liked something like when we were on to something we were oh gosh it's like that's a lot of hours to go through no no uh who's the one out of the three of you that usually doesn't like stuff as much as the others who's more critical

probably rob rob yeah and what will does he kind of pussyfoot around it does he kind of go like no yeah he sits in his throne and he looks down with his good judgment and says that is not

what you should be doing. I don't like that. I don't buy it at all. I don't think you guys are screwing up whatever you're good you started to work on. Definitely the keel of the boat right there.

Sometimes we get like note nerds and we're like, oh, play the A over the E. Oh wait, let me try the F sharp over you're D. Rob's like, what are you doing? You're wrecking this song. Leave it alone. It was good before you guys. It was good before. So yeah, but we want to try this. He's like, no, just don't. Like, yeah, you know what's been around for thousands of years? Dan Thompson.

Nursery rhymes. Yes. You know, and I think, these guys are so talented and they do that. They'll play different notes and tunings and things over things and sometimes it works it usually it works great and um and having brett in the band it's almost like two guitar players it sounds to me like sometimes i close my eyes i'm that's because he plays in stereo yeah and i feel like who's the other guitar player and i look up oh this it's just one guy and i noticed that in the Kimmel last like the production of that and the way the spread was and and even when keanu with the bass sounded so good and it just sounded more it It sounded so good. And it's a tribute to these guys because they, you know, they just, they have the right gear.

They're really, they're really into the sonics of it all. And I think that's kept us a three piece. You know, we tried to play with other musicians and we have. And even when we did the Greek theater thing with these other musicians and it was lovely and everything, but there was something about being a three piece that's really satisfying, you know. Did you think that when you guys took that sort of hiatus, even though you were kind of playing here and there together do you think that well by yourself did you i know you learned harmonica right now oh yeah a little bit yeah don't you play it live yeah so that's that's that would be yeah well that's

more than a little bit yeah but like did you guys were you kind of were you uh playing bass by yourself to just songs and shit like all the time yeah i have a bass hanging around so i like doing little ditties do you like in doing it in front of people or just by yourself um that's so that's in sound right Rob, why are you so? This is called inside of you. I like doing some. I was being.

Do you like doing it in the do you play your bass by yourself? Do you go to the mall? Sherman Oaks or Beverly Center. What do you usually wear when you play bass by yourself? You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I play guitar with myself

for nobody. Yeah, no, I'm oftentimes it's nobody. I play a moat. And do you guys feel this is a question for three years? Because I, as a musician, I, what do you get from it? Do you feel like there's a purpose in playing music or is it just a passion or something you just love? Like, what is it exactly?

Rob Stark. I want to hear right. I mean, I play a lot of piano. So it's hard to play drums by yourself for more than like 30 minutes and then it gets a little weird. You know, you just like, oh, you just want the other guys in the room, you know? So I'll move to the piano that I can do forever. And it's like it's healing, you know, it's just a, it's just healing the tones and it just, hey, it makes you feel good. And I mean, music, listening to it, playing it. Yeah. It's the same, the people that don't play and they listen. It's the same thing being a, you know, a musician. It's a little bit different. But I think it's the same tone, you know, just that, it just makes you feel filled up, you know.

Brett. Use my mic. Yeah. I feel, uh, Jesus, he's my base. Yeah. I think it's just that one of those few things in the world that allows you to shut the world out. You know, it's for me at least, it's, you know, when you're playing a three-minute song or whatever it is, or sometimes just listening to music. But when you're playing, I don't know if it's because you're using all your brain focusing on the guitar and the singing or whatever it is.

But the world, as you know, it just goes away. You're not thinking about anything else. you know even if sometimes if you're sick or whatever you can still play and have that couple minutes where nothing exists except the feeling like rob said of that you know i agree so it's really it's really fun and then the song's over and then you're like let's start another one quick do you ever play place while you're playing like you're playing a song just say you're by yourself and then all of a sudden you're listening to what yourself's doing but you don't want to be taken away from it to distract you but yet the act of just listening to what you're doing can sort of

make you go into a different mode or something. Like, you know, it's not like, oh, I'm, you know, just the tones of the guitar. Does that ever distract you? I have a problem where I'm playing and all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, this is good. And then I fuck it up completely. Right. You become a fan of yourself. Stop thinking it's good.

Just keep being. Yeah. How do you do that happen in acting when, you know, you have like a call it like a happening when something. Oh, yeah. Very rare. No, it is. You know what I'm talking about when you actually feel like, it's not planned?

It's just, oh, my God. Oh, my God. But if that happened all the time, I'd be Hopkins. Right. You know, so it's something that I wish happen all the time. But when it does happen, it's like, oh, man, this is cool. And you know, it's sort of ephemeral. You know, it's just like it is what it is.

Those are the moments. Those are the moments. It happens in music, too. And I know, I think in acting, maybe it's like, you know, improvisation or something. But I'm not talking about jazz or anything. But it does, to me, it happens in music. For me, maybe it's easy. because I'm listening and sitting and like sometimes I'll get carried away listening to like something like glimmer and like good Brett sings that even Dylan Street because the lyrics and it gets me a little sad I listen to that I sort of get taken away and I'm like you said like Keanu said like oh shit or Brett said that don't don't go off the train right especially when you're playing for people like yeah do that if you get into you don't really just want to be more robotic how do you stay that fine line like yeah to be pro but then I but I want to have a happening but I don't want to go off the train and like go off into some

I think it just, Kenna, what do you think? Does it take you away from like everything else? Certainly, yeah. I'm so much about music. Yeah, I love being transported, listening to music. And I love writing songs. I love the creative aspect of it, the sense of play. I love when you connect, when the three of us connect, finding something.

Oh, we like that, building it. And the journey of it becoming a song. I love that moment. I love the fraternity of the band. I love playing live. That's good, clean fun. But yeah, I mean, music is mana from heaven, right? It sustains us.

It helps us share with each other. It helps us commune. Yeah. I always think about that. I always think, like, music to me is, I don't know what I would do without it. There's a lot of things you could do without. obviously you have to eat but like music there's always something in my head there's always something

i'm humming i'm singing i i crave for you know and it's just like if it's not there it's it's it feels like it's missing did you guys find that like that's maybe that's what brought you back you know it was sort of that missing each other missing the music missing all these things these elements that deep down you knew you really loved yeah and for me personally yes missed it but also can only get that playing with robert and brett like i was the one thing it's unique like yeah the chemistry has yeah the chemistry of this band is a is very strong for only three guys yeah yeah because i i had a band and uh we just it just it was bad like i love these guys but it like for a while it kind of ruined our friendship it just was like you know two guys always wanted to get stoned all the time and

it just got kind of and it was like fuck i could see how it could be crippling you always hear about bands every band has their drama i'm looking at you guys now maybe it's history maybe it's like you know you've done the whole uh lava lounge and uh crazy girls after working in the studio all night kenny funk filled me in on some 30 years ago shit oh my gosh but you know in general it's like you sort of i hate to say the word but like grown up or just got into a certain place where the bullshit isn't important. These three band members have always had a really good work ethic. So even in the earlier days, as you were speaking of, we still showed up and did the work

that needed to be done. So a lot of other bands I was in before I met these guys, not so much. Kind of stories like what you were just talking about, like, uh, we need to get another bass player again. Like they're okay dude flamed out. Okay, like he's ruining the vibe. Okay, so a lot of that was like, yeah, you said, you know, just people showing up late or just being generally bad personalities or just whatever, you know, it's hard to be in a band. It's so intimate. Yeah. So. And I love these guys. It's hard.

Like stopping, you know, quitting the band. That was like the most stress I've ever, most therapy I've ever been in was leaving a band. Yeah. That no one knew. You know what I mean? Well, it's a, it's a partnership, I guess, right? So you have to have mutual respect for each other and your time and you're, you know, if we're all here, then let's do this.

Let's not waste each other's time kind of thing. So we've always been good about that. What's your, what's your favorite song on the album, honestly, but without just if you had to pick one song, Rob. You know, I mean, we're playing him live so different than the record because we wrote them so quick and record them so quick. But I know, I do. I love Glimmer and Dillon Street. I mean, I love those two songs. Yeah.

I said one. Oh, Glimmer Street. All right, all right, Brett. Changes for me, but right now I'm feeling how the story ends. Yeah, that's where I'm due, how the story ends. I love a chorus and have the story. I love Lust, that guitar, you know, okay. So of all the interviews we've done and of everything, this is the first mention of lust.

Are you serious? Isn't that great? I was waiting for this to happen. It's the first time. Dude, how could not anybody not talk about, It's the first time someone's even mentioned it. I told you the other day, I said, no one's ever even. And I love that sort of nutty kind of.

And that music was the first thing we wrote for this album. That opening guitar riff was something that was like, I believe, the first thing we worked on. Like that rhythm of, you know, that, I don't know if it's a curie, kind of whatever it is. Does this song make people uncomfortable? Why is this being avoided so much? It's got an interesting thing. It ends weird. It's not your classic, like, pop nugget, right?

It doesn't resolve, goes in another kind of reject, not to rejection, direction. I love that song. I love that song. I love the break to that sort of Losar Indian style. Like, it's exciting. It feels like you're just driving 90 miles an hour and you're just kind of feeling good. And the air is blowing on your face and you're just like, you got to, you're going to meet some hot lady. That's the video.

You don't know there's a cliff. Can I be the guy driving? Yes. I don't want to be the hot lady again. The guy driving. That's the credit. You can be the hot lady. The guy driving.

Guy driving. Guy driving. Yeah, it's great. And look, I really commend you guys for, you know, when I heard you have a new album, I remember listening to you guys and I was like, oh, these guys are fun. And I remember seeing you many years ago. And this just sounds to me like it's just another level of, um, It just seems like it just synchronicity.

I don't know what the word is. What is the word? It's just like the album just is smooth. It's almost like... Well, I think one of the things we didn't know going into it, but then going through the process of making the album with the producer, Dave Tramfeo, it kind of while we were working on the... And I think we're feeling it during the set, too, when we play it live.

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I'm so excited. And I think one thing that I really like about this band is the variety of genre in a way. You know, it's not like every song. But I say it doesn't have same song syndrome. Right. I feel like you can hear. It's not just every song's a pop song. I don't know.

it feels like there's a nice kind of bandwidth like there's different feeling songs it just doesn't go boom it just kind of comes in and out and waves and it just takes you down for a minute and it's like yeah and then comes back up you know go from like a song like glimmer to a song like breach you know or lust and going to dillon street yeah you know those are all different kind of feelings what uh moods moods moods Who came up, come on, be honest. Who came up with somewhere between the power lines and palm trees? I think Brett did.

Yeah, I was like, it's a long title, but I think. How did it come out of your mouth? That didn't sound right. Yes. Better than how did it go into your mouth. Yeah, that one had worse. Playing bass with Gianna. Yes.

Here we go. Here we go. I was renting a house over in, I think it was Silver Lake, Los Felos area. and what we were It was the Ivanhoe Reservoir recording Rowena Reno Reno Reservoir Yes

So when I'd walk out of the Out of the house to go over to the studio with these guys It was kind of elevated up about 35 feet up above the street level And I would look out over this reservoir And all there was was palm trees everywhere And power lines just going between them And no water in the reservoir, remember?

Yeah and the whole thing was just super L.A. and super like nature versus man and coexisting and it just I took a picture of it which is the album cover that is the picture that's that that day I took somewhere between the beauty and all the bullshit yeah kind of yeah so there's a couple little birds on the power line which I'd love that he got that that's great little doves I think it just struck me as like this wow this is one hell of an LA experience right here like that I'm having so I went and told these guys this is really long title but what do you think and they all said yeah right away I don't know if it was right away.

I think we chicked around a few other things for a while, but... What was the worst idea you had? Smell the glove. Oh, yeah. I don't know. We did kind of go on through it pretty quick, right? I don't remember having a lot of backup times. We didn't play a lot of the name game.

Yeah. And the rest of the photos and the insert around the home, you know, where we live and we recorded everything. So it ties in where he was staying because it was so all the shots were from that area. And Silver Lake and more palm trees, more power. lines and more birds and just sunsets and weird streaks of light. Coyotes everywhere. Yeah, it was just one of those kind of things, yeah.

Yeah, I would get woken up at all the time. Coyotes crazy, yeah, just. Yeah. But it was fun. It was just so. See what happens when you make a coyote sound? You fucking die, man. Oh!

I hear that all the time. I mean, I have a record. I have a recording on my phone of like what has to be at least 20 coyotes freaking out while sirens are blaring in the background. That's terrifying. I was like, this is seriously L.A. right? Where do you hear those two things at the same time? Only here.

So I recorded that and I'm like, one day I'll put that somewhere or use that in something. You can sample it and we'll put it in the right next record. Hey, I know you probably told the story a million times, but you two when you met, did you really meet him in a convenience store? Is that a lie? No, it's a supermarket. Well, that's kind of convenient. It was convenient.

It was a convenient store is smaller. That's true. It was conveniently located. There's convenient and then they're super. And was he wearing a hockey jersey, a Red Wings jersey? Yeah, that was. A t-shirt. What year was this?

It was one of the rare days Rob had a shirt on. That's true. Butcher's shirt on. Were you always shirtless? I don't know what was wrong. I used to play with that. So we used to play in these small, hot 100-degree clubs. So I'd end up just not wearing one.

But looking back, I'm not, I'm like, oh, man. Were you ever shirtless? Yeah, yeah. There was walking around shirtless in the summer days. He used to ride his Norton shirtless up Beachwood Canyon. Just a pair of sunglasses. Yeah, no helmet, shirtless. Yeah, that was good.

Those were the days. Daring do. Yeah. So you met and like you approached him. Yeah. And what did you say? I said, do you know where there's a hockey game? And I was like, it's 90 degrees out, dude.

there's no hockey here i wanted to play some pickup hockey ice yeah man and he didn't know oh i know no he didn't he did know yeah where'd you go isoplex and pickwick and burbank and you brought him there yeah every tuesday and thursday paul legois had a pickup game famous famous Did the club, Canadian, had a pickup game for many, many years. Many, many years. Yeah, yeah. Do you still play? No.

Because I think you play, I was bummed because it was like, I think you played in the, the Brookheimer League years ago. Never played the Brookheimer game. I was playing in a couple. I was on a couple of teams. Ah. League play. And you play goalie?

I was a goal. I was a goalie. I am a goalie. Do you miss it? Yeah, very much. Would you ever do it again? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how that would go, but yeah.

Why not? Just rent the eyes and a bunch of... Oh, yeah, my knees, my knees are bad. I'm almost 60 years old. Are you really? Are you guys, how old are you, Rob? 78. Okay, Brett?

Brett held it. Fifty-four. Brett's the baby. He's the baby. We used to call him young Brett Domros. Young Brett Domros. That's what Kenny Funk used to call him. Really?

Yeah, young break Dumas. Among other things. Do that another question. the Kenny plays. Huh? Do you that? You did it. No, I just saw you do the Kenny Funk.

It did. He's the... Bap, blah, blah. Michael. I love Kenny. Nobody gets it except us. I know. Yeah.

That's a beautiful thing. Yeah, he's the best. No one can make you laugh like Kenny. What did it feel like for you guys when you got on stage for the first time after all so many years? Was it, was it awesome or was it really scary? The, wait, the first, the first time was... That takes us right back to the nerves part of the conversation. Wait, was that the gold diggers, right?

Oh, okay, that, but that was... Friends and family. Closed, closed private. It was still the first time. There was 110 people. These are all friends? Yeah, 100. That's even worse.

I agree. We played a private show. We wanted to, you know, play. Yeah. There's just like, for me, there's all these world-class record producers and guitar players in the audience. There was only like 80 people there, I was like, 10 of these people are people I would really don't want them to see me play.

And my neighbor, Daniel Lenoir was there. It's a cool spot from the record producer we worked with Dave. Yeah. His place, Gold Diggers. We thought it was going to be like a casual little, just our friends, you know, and then it ended up being. It ended up being all these, like, heavy music people. Oh, dude. We played at the hotel cafe once.

Oh, that's a good sound. Yeah, all our friends came. I've never been that nervous, but our drummer can't love them. he was so nervous as he started his stick just flew out into the audience he's like fuck were you there right no right wasn't there that play sounds great yeah but then you can just start again he did and everybody kind of laughed yeah like hey we're with you man we're with you it can't get any worse it can't get any worse but what's the worst performance you guys can remember where you got on stage and the sound sucks so bad you couldn't get it together someone might

have been drunk but do you remember one show in particular this one No yes the host sucked try to play his band we're drunk that's a long not nothing in this iteration of the band in my view wait wasn't there like a ice rink we once played and a fair wasn't there a fair show we did the thing in north dakota and it just smelled like cow poop everywhere remember that one oh that was fun that was wasn't there like a fucking just pie contest and dog star we what's never like wasn't it wow i'm walking this one out pie contest yeah don't see this is these are the mushrooms dog star these are the francis ford coppola mushrooms there was like wait wait i know what you're talking about that was in a northern california was it no was that it was that the midwest thing

oh okay i think it's funny you don't remember it the pie contest i don't remember a pie contest i don't remember a pie contest we had a gig on this last tour actually that the sound check took over an hour which is really unusual oh it must have been terrible it just couldn't get they couldn't get it figured out for whatever reason how pissed were you I wasn't pissed it was just are we going to get it figured out before the door's open you know it's a little more concerned but the show was okay though show is okay yeah we just it took maybe more than an hour and yeah it was just I think that we had a couple shows on this where we had a maybe a sound guy who was his first day on the job not good not good yeah now we

bring our own sound but that we're talking about monitors right the sound that we you can't hear yourself yeah it's the worst when you have you ever had what you just can't hear your saying you're just like only in the chords in the old days not this this now since i got the inner ears it's so much better but pre inner ear it was rough you know yeah but we had a gig on this run where we came out in the first song and the monitors were off just turned off and I'm singing and I'm like I don't hear anything oh shit all I hear is drums and a little bit of my guitar

amp over there and I'm like I remember that did you stop no no I just started waving my guitar tech down to like pointing frantically like pointing down and over and everything yeah nothing's working I think that was the exact hand signal oh my god yeah so that

but other than that I don't really remember anything from I don't remember the pie contest what about your you have your own label right you play into your own label yeah we constructed that because we were told to construct that but we don't have but you know Robert keeps saying we should sign bands so I don't know were you signed no we're not signed yeah I'll send you the CD you want to get signed you want to be on Dylan Street record man we don't really have anybody who works with us or for us and we have no

budget we but we mean well but we mean well we mean well you want to you want to I'd like to be around guys and we can't really support anything that you do no that sounds but we won't sign you if we don't believe in you but we'll be encouraging it sounds better than what we have now do you like egg salad sandwiches

I sure do okay we'll make sure we might not yeah do you think you will sign bands though no no you don't want to do that who us what why we don't know anything what are we to help you with you know probably just as much

There's a lot of folks out there. You just let Rob. Rob looks like somebody to run it. That was disingenuous. Yes. Robert could run it. Talk to Robert. No, the Cube.

Yeah, yeah. No, I don't. So who deals with all this stuff now that you had? We have really good management. Really? You know, for the first time we had, you know, ever with Q Prime is. And they're just lovely people. First of all, they're great human beings.

Are fun to be around. Yeah. And they're all like just so wicked, small. mart and there's so many of them and every every time there's a new one we meet and the team i don't know that's i've never met a group that wouldn't be your experience with dillon street records that's true what would my experience be just static no no no we'd return most maybe a call or two we'd just be like how's it going doing good yeah great man what do you want to do sounds good sounds better than my reps now we're taking a very hands-off approach yeah oh i get i get i get i

did that so do your thing michael but guys go ahead uh it's gotta be cool they really take you like pie pie eating contests and dog star and dog star hey talk to me about i want to get into your like your favorite bands of all time and what like inspired you or like when you were growing up what were you listening to like i like a lot of shit across the board you know i could say oh well it's up but i could also say uh depesh mode i love the cure i love kind of alternative stuff. I love Pearl Jam. I like them all over. But what would you say, you know, or your influencers for, you know, the band and just, you know, in general? We all three come from totally different neighborhoods on this one.

Really? Yeah. Well, Robin Cedong. It's a musical dog star Vind diagram. And so here's the Brett color. Brett? Well, I have a couple colors because I have colors as a singer, colors. It's a guitar player. And then colors as a songwriter. I think I love these guys. If they're as genuine as I'm seeing, then this is pretty good. I want to be in this band. Can I just do something like a rattle or something?

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So I loved Elton John, Billy Joel. like the AM radio what was happening in the 70s and all that all that stuff was just I just listened for good songs I didn't know I was but I you know just like anybody I'm drawn to a good song um poppy you know catchy song and then I started getting into guitar and so that became like okay how do I get as good as possible on the guitar that became like Rush Def Leppard wow I love death weapon. And also you too. So I was like you. I was all over the place. I had Iron Maiden in there. I was trying to like learn the guitar, like properly learn the guitar so I could get in a band someday. MTV was on and I just wanted to do that. So those guys kind of got me primed as far as like

learning the guitar. And then singing I got thrown into because our band, the singer was awful and people kept going, your background vocals are better than his lead vocals. You got to sing. And so they just kind of forced me into being a singer when I was like 17. Wow. And then and then I started writing songs after all that. It just kind of all just happened. So all three of those things. And as a singer, I don't really think about anybody other than people that have passion. You know, like like again, Elton John, Tom Petty, people that's when they sing, you believe them. That's all. I don't care if they're punk rock or if they're country, you know, John Denver, who was on my radio when I pulled into your driveway um so just believability passion all that so that's my that's a short answer

that's a good answer rob he's just gonna go rat thank you mic drop i thought deaf leopard was deaf like they couldn't hear like it was like deaf leper i didn't know it was d e i mean for i also thought jimmy hendix sang excuse me will like kiss this guy so i which would have been fine yeah which is fine not the sky i didn't know you know um you know it's when you're little kid you're hearing all these things right and you the first time you hear a radio so i guess i'm a bit older so i for me was you know the the british invasion was the first thing i heard you know and then i realized that they were playing was all this great american black music and blues and motown and and all that stuff whatever it was like Willie Dixon or Fats Domino or all that's all those great you know James

Brown and so I kind of went back and forth trying to here find the blueprints of what the British guys were doing and what the Rolling Stones were doing what the Beatles were doing like who I was looking on the album I was like the first albums that weren't really written by them they were covering stuff but they were covering American artists you know and they were covering like American you know black artists they were covering people that we never knew you know or I didn't know where they were from you know obscure places that weren't they weren't famous but these all the way across the pond they're making these people they were like tribute to them so i kind of got back and forth and then i just got like kind of like you i got obsessed just with everything that sort of british

like moving on into the 70s and the 80s and Depeche mode and the cure and all that stuff and and i think you know the Beatles were it for me you know you saw that and it was something different you know prior to that, you know, I didn't understand Elvis Presley so much. So maybe because I wasn't a 15 year old girl. But I didn't, I didn't get that like I understood it. But I got him later. Yeah. It's one of those things like, wow. You have to go backwards like with Frank Sinatra. You're like all this stuff my parents would listen to like Frank like Ella Fitzgerald or Billy Holiday. Then you go backwards and you hear that and you go, oh my God. That's like so good. I mean, it's not what I was into. Right. But he sort of come back to that as to get older. But I'm kind of like you. I just sort of, and then Brett as well. Like I love, you know, I love all those singer songwriters and Kat Stevens, James Taylor. I don't really care if it's classical or jazz. I like a good melody. Yeah. It's just a feeling of a song. Crosby stills and Nash, all that stuff. But it's. But isn't it fun to go try to discover the blueprints of things? I've been obsessed with that lately. Because I think we got a lot of stuff got buried.

like maybe we didn't get what we thought we were getting and or maybe or maybe we weren't they just didn't present those people to us but there's people that oh no i knew about those people but i'm like i didn't know like i want to know like you know yeah we've heard of chuck barry of course but there's i didn't know that there might have been a blueprint before him yeah i was like huh who influenced him yeah like who the hell was that you know what i'm saying so i'm going down this rabbit hole of like that's fun that lately and it's just an incredible journey and it's american and it's american and it's an and it's and it's incredible so that's great i i wonder why the british kids like got all that i like how did they get all that and maybe some of us didn't maybe that's maybe that was the radio they were hearing in england or something we got chicago brother we got chicago you know what i mean were they just hearing different radio than we were hearing i don't i don't know you know yeah i don't know yeah but piano uh i don't start with like being like 1819 and a girlfriend who just said, you know, you should listen to this. And I was like, what?

And what was that? I'm just like stuff now that's kind of like, you know, but at the time, like this is like 1983, 84, 83, 84. So like hearing Husker do or the violent femmes or Jesus and Mary chain or the clash. the Ramones for the first time, yeah. Because I hadn't heard that music before then, before I was like 18, 17, 18. When I heard that, I was like, yeah.

So I actually really like a good, I love a fast four-four-time pop song. That's rock, whether it's in, like in a different shape like the exploited to me made kind of pop songs sometimes, you know, like Dead Cities, got so much melody. in it, but it's still punk rock and the Ramones have melody. So I like, I like that, but I just love bass guitar and drums. Pixies.

Wow, we love the Pixies. Yeah, I could feel a little bit out, too. I just saw the Pixies at the Bull with Modest Mouse. Oh, that's great. It's great. I love them. I got to hang out with Frank Black after it. Oh, my God.

So cool, yeah. They're doing another tour where they're just going to play Trump LeMond and another album full up. both so they're going to be doing that but um those are cool everybody you're right everybody's so different but it kind of works it just works i think that's yeah that's what we all bring up an important puzzle piece you know that that we wouldn't be able to do without the three of us it would vastly alter the dynamic you know so there's there's definitely we cover the spectrum i think between the three of us yeah um we went to do this thing the other day at amoeba records where

we're picking out i heard you know and kiano's got the box said of Wagner you know what well I'd never heard the you know the ring cycle from front to back so I was like oh okay I'm an amoeba that's what you do so I'm gonna spend seven hours and listen to the ring that was my grandfather's favorite was it he loved that the rings he'd never listened to it and I should yeah so I'm like yeah yeah so I'm gonna do that but anyway well what are they called rug no noman strong and ugen but I don't there's three names right that there's the rings or maybe there's five i don't know um you know that i have to at least mention it

we're getting to the end here um but this is the this is the end do you like the doors my only friend the end and he walked down down the hallway and he saw dan thompson right there let me ask you this uh you know we talk about mental health on this podcast and it helps so many people and i i didn't even know i was getting into it it uh it sort of just happened i started being a little more vulnerable and you know self-deprecating and real it so i'm just like curious what you guys do for your mental health i mean um you know i go to therapy and uh you know i work on myself constantly but is is is it playing music is your therapy is it exercise is your therapy is it all of it or do you guys also do therapy or whatever what do you do to kind of calm yourself i guess like i feel that i've

learned um that if i be more loving to other people that it makes me better that's beautiful yeah i feel the same way and it's amazing how you don't even that realization doesn't it doesn't happen when you're younger all the time sometimes it takes you years to sort of go wow just being a good person is enough you know just to to me because if you feel like that's coming to you and it's not like artificial like i'm just going to try to be like you know yeah it's not i'm honestly like you don't want to go that doesn't always work if so if you know someone it depends you know but i just feel that uh because it's almost what you want for yourself or you what we'd like to have but it does have a healing i mean there is a lot of healing and love you know i dig it i like

Brett. Therapy. For sure. No. I think I think songwriting, you know, writing in general can be therapeutic. I think some of my songs that lyrically, I get to revisit nightly. So that's kind of cool to to continually check in on those feelings and things like that. So that's important. But the number one thing I do to chill and to get away from it all is I like to be social and is going to make me sound like a raging alcoholic, but I love nothing more than sitting at a bar with friends and just bullshitting and just having a drink and talking. That's like my favorite thing in the world. Just friends, current affairs, yeah, yeah, yeah. History, what might, what's to come. And just take it in the room, new people wandering around. And so that's kind of like my favorite thing to do is just call

somebody and go, hey, you want to go to the smoke house. Let's go to the smokehouse and get a beer and some cheesy garlic bread and look at people and talk. Right. So, and luckily, I got a lot of people on tap that are like, yeah, let's go right now. So that's like my favorite thing to do. But see, my therapist thinks that I like to do that all the time and be around people, but being alone is because I don't want to be alone. And so there's some kind of, there's some kind of, I don't know what that is, but it's like, I love having friends over it.

I love and I love the conversations. And then why do you have to go? Well, we're packing. I guess I'm just here by myself, playing bass guitar. You can learn a lot by being alone. Like during the... I thought you're going to say dummy by being a dummy. Remember that one?

You can learn a lot from a dummy. Like, but during the pandemic, a lot of us were alone, you know? And not necessarily or with a partner or not. But I'm just saying even with the partner, you know, the two of you or one of you or... But we were alone. And so a lot of people learned a lot about, you know, you read these stories like, during the pandemic, there were so many people who got divorced. Well, you know what?

Maybe that was good. Maybe that was good. They realized they were with the wrong. person you know or you know or you know or you know people discovered things like I learned to cook or I learned I didn't know this about myself because they were all the bullshit was shut down and you were sort of forced it's sort of like an odd forced meditation you were like forced to sit in a fucking room for two years and not really leave the house and you're like oh my god all this stuff and then you know you either learn to like yourself or you like you know what this is okay this is okay

to be alone and it's there's so many things that you can do and uh you don't need all the all the bullshit outside and there's nothing wrong with it like brett said that's the great to go out and do all that i agree with them but it's also nice to be uncomfortable with yourself yeah and so that was kind of a weird learning you know it's weird though is like uh it was almost okay to feel alone during that time it's like well everybody else is also feeling yes so this is cool there you I'm alone. I'm alone. But then all of a sudden, the pandemic's over and you're like, I'm still alone. Anyway, Kenna, back to you. No, no. Would you say that, you know, is something that helps you for your mental health and all that kind of stuff? Yeah, I guess if I'm, I internalize a lot of things. And so I try to find spaces where I can just, and this is something I probably, yeah, anyway, sit and think, sit and feel, be quiet. If I have to work, work something out what am i feeling you know i like to yeah just sit think stare out the window maybe jump on a motorcycle um and yeah just kind of ask myself what are you thinking why are you feeling

that if it's distressful like why what do you want what's going on um usually get to the bottom of it when you're doing that yeah sometimes or i see the bottom i'm like well okay i'm you know i'll i'll I'll just lean, I'll lean into my coping mechanisms or how to be, like, um, and I think, uh, probably coming out of that is either, it's some form of communication, communicating it to yourself, you know, or, um, communicating it to someone else, which could be sharing or looking for, like you're, you're talking about therapies or having a reflection or someone to listen who might have, um, you know, uh, different,

perspectives we'll call it professional perspectives tools um but yeah so for me it's like internalize and then work on the communication and um and then if it's like really like you know personal like like your childhood or you know what do you feel about your mother or you know family or stuff from the past you know if you're dealing like you know for me it's like intimacies make good thing so it's like okay how do i work on that how do i you acknowledge it yeah yeah acknowledge it and see and look at it and what is that unpack you know but that's a therapeutic process but if it's just get through the fucking day sit be quiet maybe jump on a motorcycle hang out maybe have a glass of wine isn't it weird like when you're young like you're talking about that childhood stuff it's almost

like you look at a picture it's like you're almost not the same that's not the same person But it is, clearly it is, because it is. But it's like, wait a minute, was that me or was that the same person? And then you realize, oh, it's different now. But I know what you mean about like. Well, then you get into behavioral systems and wiring and like, and then we just, we could, we would have to do another inside of your inside of your inside. Yeah, inside of your brain. But actually, but that's kind of what you're doing, Michael.

I mean, you're on this road, this journey of what's inside of you and sharing it. Yeah. You know, I think the vulnerability of that. You know, I think vulnerability is probably a key thing, isn't it? Yeah, I think it's if you're not showing yourself and you're, you shouldn't be preaching it. You shouldn't be telling people how, what they should be doing if you're not also at least acknowledging. I don't know. Really?

I don't, I mean, it depends on the context, right? You don't need your therapist to start crying in front of you or to tell you about something, right? That's true. That would be kind of odd. That would not be professional. once say you might if I eat this subway sandwich in front of you I'm just really hungry I haven't eaten it was when you did in person I go yeah and that was my last but have you had one fall asleep on you have this have you no but oh could you

just say I told me I had one therapist say why are you being a pussy and I go what and then I go I guess I was kind of a pussy that's called tough love yeah it was do you ever have that like uh i thought i was an acting teacher once in college said you got to get rid of that that that judging eye that's always talking to you and looking at you and if you can shatter that i think there's for the id the ego and the super ego if you can shatter that thing that's old school yeah robert with the old school it's old school old school old school paradigms but you can't get how do you get rid of that like you ever that conversation like shut the fuck up it's like that voice, that judging thing, if you can shatter that thing, but then again, is it even, can

even do that? I think for a lot of actors, they're always like, not a lot of actors, but artists. And sometimes that voice thing gets in the way. Like, you need to fucking shoot that thing with a shotgun. And then get it out. I agree. But I also like, I don't think I'm cool enough to just internalize and be quiet. Oh, you, whether you're just how you entourage, Have you always been like that where you can just sit there and be? I don't know how the, that's a gift. Can you do that, Brett? Can you just sit and shut the fuck up and internalize?

No, my girlfriend says, she says, you never stop talking. You come home. And I'm like, well, I have to talk to somebody. And you live here. So, sorry, that's your job. Part of your job now. So you can leave if you don't like it. You can talk to us.

She's like, don't you need to rest your voice for the show? the tour this is going to air soon so how long does the tour go on for 17 days 17 more days yeah do you want it to continue what if they say you want to extend it would you do it it'll be christmas we start our tour on december 3rd through December 21st 21st do you love it do you love the traveling i do i love it i love it we love it yeah i love being on a bus with these these crazy I like playing shows. Yeah. I like the randomness every day,

something different, different city, different people, different restaurants, different looks. Just you never get the same thing twice. And we don't know what's going to, like you don't know what's going to happen. And then playing is always great. And we have really good support.

Yeah. Around us people. We just have great and a great and the management. Tour manager and great management. You know, everybody's just so nice, you know. We got great fans though.

We really do. They're that. And they've evolved. with us, I think. It seems like now there's, it seems like now they're, they're listening more if that makes any sense. I think, I think they're a little more like listening and, I mean, maybe we've all matured a bit together. But, you know, when we were younger, it was a little more reckless and crazy and people more noisier and screaming and jumping around. And now it's more like, it seems like people have a real interest in the, in what we're doing musically more so than,

and the ages are all over the place too there's like young all the way it's a different and there's more guys that's a good thing right well there used to be street cred yeah yeah it's just it's and there's there's there you'll see some you know it's it's just a different yeah we just yeah it's great and we've also had a very a couple of nights where we've been introduced to some people and it was their first concert ever like some teenagers and some young kids and and i always take that like we better not suck tonight like we got a heavy responsibility tonight guys like this is that girl's first concert ever you know and she's gonna someone's gonna ask her in 25 years what was your first concert and dog star and they were great i hope that's what she said and pies yeah exactly was it

what it was a pie contest five contest and dog star yeah guys this has been awesome i i never have had blue ribbon blue ribbon pap's blue ribbon yeah you know maybe that's wrong oh yes uh hi no no no no tell me it's uh from uh the um don't say oh my god no don't don't no no wait well wait well wait no i'm not saying it no no dennis hopper yes it's dennis hopper in oh my god frederick elms is the cinematographer he's and and what's the name of that movie because it's so good and it's called blue velvet it's nice hyniquin fuck that shit pap's blue ribbon Isabella Rosolini. David Lynch.

Who's your favorite actor ever? Not going there. Never would? Who's your top one in top ten? Gives one. Inspiring Robert De Niro Taxi driver. People have said that before, too.

People are, that's the movie. What about you? And that's it. Favorite actor? Wow. We got to meet him. Keanu and I met him once. I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to interrupt you. I'm sorry. sorry no go ahead go no no go he's getting excited i don't have a go i don't have an answer yet go ahead rob oh man daniel day lewis i love him and i also you know what he's great i maybe i'll get i love albert brooks people there's a documentary in albert brooks now i got to watch that he's the most relaxed yeah something of him in drive are you kidding me it's frightening how good he is in that movie yeah and uh no i didn't see that i said that's a baby driver defending your life defending your i mean I mean, come on.

He's just, I mean, there's something about him that I just can't stop. I just love him. But, you know, Daniel D. Louis, you know, of course, Tenero. Oldman. Merrill Street. Nicholson. Yeah. Loans, Olivia.

No, I don't know. Guys, this has been a joy. I don't want to take any more time. This has been unbelievable. Thank you. I really got to know you guys. And I appreciate you coming in. And thanks to allow me to be inside you and coming over the house.

It means a lot. Cheers, man. Yeah, thank you. It's been fun. Thanks, bye. I loved it. I loved it. I was thinking, what could we cut?

And I asked you about it. And you were like, well, nothing really. It's all good. And I trust you because I don't really. Normally I have to cut out when you say certain stuff, you know? But this one, you didn't say, just kidding. Well, you know what's funny is I. Normally you say that one thing.

We always have to cut out. Yeah, that one thing. Well, I just get bored sometimes with myself. And so I'm like, uh, cut that whole thing. If it doesn't move the story, if it's redundant, if it's slow or if it's an uncomfortable moment. or if it affects that this one i felt like it floated i thought was a good episode good uh and tis the season to be giving i want to let's uh give a shout out to the many fine non profits that i work with and

love the ronald bcdonald house of los angeles food on foot dot org if you want to donate um the animal rescue mission shout out to my friend shira astroff who saved so many animals so many doggies and I love them. Echoesofhope.org for foster youth and some great non-profits that really are tremendous. And serve L.A. A little shout out to Houser,

Mr. Paul Houser. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I went to his event. And that's it. I hope you guys have an awesome holiday. Bryce, I hope you have an awesome holiday, my friend. But before we do that, should we read some of the most important people in my life? Yeah, let's do it.

Top tier patrons. Here we go. Couldn't do it without you. Lil Lisa. Nancy D. Lee and Kristen. Little Lisa. You Kiko.

I said Little Lisa. You did. J. But I said her first. Brian H. Nico P. Robert B. Jason W.

Sophie M. Rosh. C. Joshua D. Jennifer N. Stacey L. Jamal F. Janelle B. Mike E.

El Don Suprimo. 99 more. San Diego M. Chad W. Leanne P. Maddie S. Belinda N. Dave. Hello, Dave hole. I love Dave hole. How many times if you heard me say Dave Hall, Bryce? Uh, a lot. Great. Sheila G. Brad D. Ray. Hadada. Tabitha T. Tom N. Talia M. Betsy D. Reanne and C. Corey K. Deb Nexon. Michelle A. Jeremy C. Brandy D. Joey M. Eugene and Leah. Corey. Angela F. Mel S. Christine S. Erica H. Shane R. Andrew M. Amanda R. Kevin E.

You know, now that I have a son and we read every night, I have to start reading again out loud and I don't like it. I'll take over. Well, you know, it's... Maybe I'll read him patron names to go to sleep. I'm sure that would put him to sleep. No, wouldn't it? It'd give him energy. Stephanie K. Joel L. Jammin J. Leanne J. Luna R.

Mike. F. Stone H. Brian L. Jules M, Kendall L, Jessica B, Kyle F, Marisol P, Kaylee J, Brian A, Ashley F, Marion Louise L, Romeo, the band, Frank B, Jen T, Nikki L, April R, Randy S, J.DW, Orl P, Ginger Insomniac, Rachel D, Melissa H, Nick W, Stephanie, and Evan, Charlene A, Don G, Jenny B from the block. You know, it's cool is we started patron. maybe almost three or four years ago i remember it was in december and so a lot of the folks that were around back then are still around today which is rad yeah you guys are just uh so incredible and you're so important to me and it's funny when i'm writing those little notes in the boxes that i send you guys every week or every month a couple months uh i always think

what am i going to say and then i just speak from the heart i'm just like you know how much it means to me and how you know amazing they are and like they've heard it but it's like you know there's only so much you could say but there's the love is there and um but they've stuck around it's pretty incredible i always think how they're going to leave me they're going to leave me they're going to you know and they people have lives and they have jobs and they you know and i'm so surprised that they're even there and that they just like the podcast and they uh yeah they show up they show up man you guys show up and uh as long as you're here i'm here so thanks um so i guess that's it Have a wonderful holiday.

Be good to yourself. I usually say that at the end of the episode. But, you know, and sometimes the holidays are tough. If you've lost someone, I know a few of my friends are going to be without their parents. Or, you know, my friend Alex is going to be without her father for the holidays. And she just lost him. And it's really tough. And, you know, it's just, it can be tough for a lot of people.

And, but there's a light. there is not to be profoundly cliche but there is a light at the end of the tunnel there is this is life man it's it's it's waves it's you hit the bottom and you come back up for air and then there's beautiful weather in front of you and then all of a sudden a fucking shit storm hit you and you just got to get through it and love your friends hang around people that you enjoy people that don't bring you down and uh thank you bryce for being here all my love to you and logan and beckham yep And love to Ryan, Taz, and Jason, to you, to you, my friend, my editing friend. So from the Hollywood Hills in Hollywood, California, I'm Michael Rosenbaum.

I'm Bryce. We love you guys. And again, be good to yourself. I'll see you very, very soon. Hi, I'm Joe Saul C. Hi, host of the Stacking Benjamin's podcast. Today, we're going to talk about what if you came across $50,000. What would you do? Put it into a tax advantage retirement account. The mortgage. That's what we do. Make a down payment on a home. Something nice. Buying a vehicle.

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