Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - KEVIN DURAND: Dedication to Keeping Sanity, ‘Planet of the Apes’ Secret Advantage & Trusting Your Own Time and Process

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

Kevin Durand (Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, The Strain) joins us this week to share how he went from professional hockey aspirations as an 11th generation Canadian lumberjack to pursuing his dreams of acting and storytelling in Hollywood. Kevin talks about the difficult impact of prepping for the physicality of certain roles like Planet of the Apes and a Hulk Hogan biopic have taken on his body; while sharing his aspirations to explore roles ‘outside the box’ of his typical character type. We also talk about the daily work he does to maintain a positive, gracious state of mind and how embracing ‘ignorance is bliss’ has helped him rediscover joy in life.  Thank you to our sponsors: ⚕️ Lumen: https://lumen.me/inside 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside 🛏️ Helix Sleep: https://helixsleep.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Let's get into this guy. You've seen him in everything. I mean, honestly, he's one of those guys. It's like me if you saw me on the street go, I think I recognize him. He's one of those guys. He's so striking. But he's been in a lot of big movies. I remember him from Lost. But he's really great.

And he's such a beautiful, beautiful human being. I love talking to him. He was a lot of fun and very down to earth. I think you're going to really relate to him. Let's get inside of Kevin Durant. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael. Rosenbaum

Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. You love dogs. I love that you love dogs so much that you came in and you immediately sat on the stairs and played with my dogs. That tells me a lot about a person. Dude, I would have, I'd still be out there. You would.

I would have laid down and eventually I would have won, blanche blanche i would have won blanche over it just i understand it takes a minute yeah she's usually pretty good but with people that are really tall oh dude so she sometimes is like oh my gosh protective over charlie my energy is really big too so it takes a while for sometimes to open up to adapt i had a i had a guy and uh he was a professor in college i took it was the introduction to sound or me or uh whatever i don't remember what it was called radio and you get mr dr waslowski and the first thing he says is he's quiet everybody's staring at him he goes what is sound and we all just look and i go this is going to be an f i'm going to get an

for this one and he goes sound is vibrating air yeah and i'll never forget it yeah you have a resonant voice it worked dr waslowski got me into doing like djing and stuff like that i was like a dj like 91.7 new rock's only alternative perfect hey i'm here from 10 to 2 nobody's listening but listen if you are i got a six inch subway sandwich i just bought and it's yours if you're the third caller nobody called my roommate jerry would call him like jerry come on but it was fun it was fun did you always know you were going to do this would be an actor um i really wanted to be a hockey player well you have the side did you play yeah i played um i played uh until i was uh 14 um some it was pretty bad i i um i was being sat by coaches on the bench i'd ride the pines if i

wouldn't go out and hurt a kid since i was about seven years old it happened so many times because you're always big for your age yeah yeah but i was i had pretty good hands i was a goal score yeah but because i was a fucking giant they would be like okay you have most goals on the team but you need to go take that kid out. I'd be seven years old and I'd refuse. And so like when I was 14 after like, you know, years and years of this because I started playing at three, the coach was benching me. He benched me the first two periods, like three minutes left in the second period. He goes, okay, go on.

And I go on and I don't go after the guy, but the guy puts me head first in the boards and I go black. And, uh, um, I wake up 10 minutes later, uh, nothing's moving. Um, I have no control over my extremities. And I'm like, oh, well, fucking done. 14 years old. I'm done. Um, and then slowly terrifying. Yeah. Just terrifying. Yeah. It was. One of the biggest fears. Yeah. One of the scariest things ever and then uh bit by bit slowly it came extremity started to tingle got it back and then this fucking thing that they had been trying to turn me into all of a sudden i just kind of got up and i was like you got to put me in the third and he's like no you took a pretty bad spell i was like fucking put me in and i went after that kid and i put that kid in the hospital and at that age i

thought I had killed him. I didn't really understand. And that was the last time I played. Because you felt so bad? It's just not in, look, we all have, as you know, everything lives within us, you know. And if you choose to unearth things and open up the filter and just kind of go, okay, well, I'm going to go there. And we do that for our job, right? Right. I decided that that I didn't want to do that anymore in my life. Yeah. That's such a, young age you kind of like introspectively knew that something wasn't quite right and i think that's that tells a lot about you because i remember being a young kid um and you grew up in canada much nicer country no i love i love us but i mean Canada's like the nicest people in the planet

we can get into that but um bad we're not bad no i i used to hang out with some folks some some kids and they were getting into bad news they were starting to sniff gas in the and this is like we're 12 years old sniff gas yeah and doing some things stealing like like a neighbor's car when they're out of town and driving it around and i remember one day i don't remember exactly i just remember something dawned on me and they were all messing around and drinking and i just slowly turned around and we used to cut through the yards people's yards you know yeah neighborhood you just go out until 10 p.m. and do whatever you want it was safe And I jumped over one fence and went New York, jumped over the other fence to a street. And then I walked home and I never looked back. And I said, I knew something in me said, you can't hang out with this crowd. Yeah. My parents didn't say, don't do, I don't want you doing that.

They didn't know anything. I knew that this was going to be a bad idea to continue hanging out with these people. Yeah. And funny enough, my mom, the only person she ever let's spend the night at my house, because she loved this kid's family yeah she let this one kid's spend the night and I never got a chance to have friends spend the night but she goes he could spend the night and I was like okay fast forward about five years he's in prison for life for yeah for killing a man yeah that one friend I was allowed to have spend the night yeah yeah but I think my point is like you know yeah

I don't know if serial killers I don't know if people who end up murdering people have that ability to say hey i'm not going to this is this is not right you know what i mean yeah so i think that it's part of it yeah i don't know uh it was such a part of the culture of it you know and then all these years later you know i couldn't i couldn't talk about hockey i couldn't um i couldn't watch it i couldn't listen to it um i just completely disengaged and then when i was 23 um you know I was a theater actor in Toronto and I had been there for a while and and uh there was an audition for a hockey movie and miracle mystery Alaska mystery Alaska right yeah and and uh I went I did four auditions and then they were like okay well the final audition is on the ice

can you play hockey and I was like well I'm from Thunder Bay and they were like yeah but can you play hockey I was oh yeah you guys are from LA Thunder Bay if you come from Thunder Bay every but he plays hockey in Futter Bay, you know what I mean? But you haven't played for a long time. I hadn't. So I went to play it again sports, you know, spent like 60 bucks, got equipment. And I would go out to Nathan Phillips Square. Do you know Nathan Phillips Square in Toronto?

No. They have a skating rink during the winter. It's right in front of the city hall. And I would go at nighttime because no one was there. And I would play from like 11 p.m. until about two or three. For how long before this? final uh i had a couple weeks and then i went on the ice and yeah i mean like and you're good enough well i was going to go junior a you know like so you picked it up oh yeah yeah i was i was going to go

play i was my dad was getting calls from kitchen arrangers and the windsor spitfires and and a bunch of junior a teams they had started to talk to us like when i was really young um i was I was a big boy, but I could skate. I mean, I'd been skating my whole life. But weren't you pumped that you were, I mean, ironically, I guess you're in a, your first movie. I guess your big movie is like mystery Alaska hockey movie. Well, I mean, hockey was my dream. And then after that crumpled, I really had this thing deep inside of me.

I was like, God, I swear, I swear if I had a chance at this acting thing. Like, I think, I think I, it's just, I'll do whatever. fucking takes whatever you love it you were passionate beyond oh whatever it takes are you still like that every single day every day i'm i'm i'm you if you go to any set and you ask who's the happiest guy on the set like i i would i would gauge that most people would go i don't know what drugs that guy's on but he's happy and you probably don't do any drugs um not Really. No, I mean, I enjoy cannabis to some degree if that's considered a drug. But I don't drink. But you're happy. You're high on life. You've kind of always been that guy. I am pretty happy to go lucky. But a lot of that happiness comes from a choice. So I work to achieve that level of happiness. I mean, do you get depressed?

Do you get anxiety? Do you get sad? Do you? I'm medicated. I had severe anxiety, you know, which would sometimes take me down the OCD road and I would get pretty low. It was happening a lot once I had my first daughter and I would have to spend so much time away from her. and all of this stuff just surfaced and I'd be like in Puerto Rico living at a hotel on the beach and I couldn't leave my room and like it was it got really bad so like I I figured out how to it was crippling 100% I mean between action and cut no one ever knew the only person who knew was my wife and then I realized that at some point I was like I am putting way too much off on her shoulders and uh yeah i got some help um but along with that help i i uh you know like i start my days uh you know get the girls ready for school take them to school and then i get right into my cold plunge have a 400 percent dopamine uh push i do my breath work and then i train my ass off um there's a lot of things that i do to get myself to that

place where i can just be present and and and my true self wow you know it's but i have to do the work but a lot a lot of people will see you know and now it's like uh they don't look down you know on therapy as much i always talk about therapy and how important it is and you know some people need medication something like i i do yeah and that's listen my whole life i was crippled with anxiety and you know i didn't realize all these things that i had but they they were around since i was young and i thought it was normal and it became this thing and i go i can't live like this i can't i can't be anxious about everything i can't be stressed about everything it was a cyclical it kept going and it wasn't until like probably two years ago ah because again like you said nobody knew really

a lot about my anxiety except a few people because you're a great actor before yeah before this pot well before this podcast i i didn't talk about it and then i started opening up and you know look every drugs work differently for everybody so i'm look lexapro works for me and i'm not telling you you get on lexapro because it could be horrible for you because other drugs i did it it didn't it didn't work as well for me right but you do something else paxil paxil so you're right and paxil didn't work for me that's what i'm saying we're just so everybody's just so um as much as we're are the same you know the chemical processes in in the brain are very so much from human to human um it's gotten me to be quite obsessive i've become like a bit of a neurology hobbyist um

uh because partially because i started to uh i wrote a script about this um aging hockey player who's just on this incredibly slippery slope and just cannot get it together and he has to figure out how to get it together for his daughter because he's only allowed to see her through a media. Is that a film? Yeah, I wrote it.

I'm directing it next year. That's amazing. I wrote it for this actor named Kevin Durand. Not the basketball player. Oh, let him at you. You. Not the basketball player, but he kind of looks like Elon Musk. So everyone's really fucking confused.

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Rocket Money. well if you need a buddy who plays hockey dude let me know we're at the same age dude i play every monday night from my whole life i i love that no i'm not like a okay i'm like a decent player awesome no i could top corner from the center ice slap shot i love it i'm in well that's hardcore yeah if you need if you need somebody i honestly i'm i'm pretty um i just get back on on on my skates again i uh i i was i went up to 295 pounds how much you weigh now i'm about 255 260 but i was 6 6 yeah yeah but i went to 295 because i was going to play hall kogan in this fucking oh you'd be perfect it was a great it was a great it was a great script i was so

excited great cast what happened uh the director of set gordon pulled out um to do something else which was a real bummer because I had spent 11 months putting the weight on and figuring all the idiosyncratic. It was, I had it down. I spent every morning, uh, in my gym, um, with these Hulk Hogan, uh, documentaries on, one of them I almost have completely memorized and, uh, idiosyncratically, the timber of the voice, everything I had, I, give me a little Hulk. Oh, gosh, it's been a while. Um, it was, it was less Hulk Hogan. It was more like, uh, Terry, Terry Belillo. Um, yeah, I, I figured this thing out. And, um, I had studied his spine, uh, because his spine was so severely damaged.

He had gone through 17, uh, back surgeries. And when you look at the base of his spine, how it interacts with his hip, hips i don't know how he's walking so if you really look at him yeah completely crooked tilted yeah um like such an amazing character i i was so excited and and uh yeah they pulled out and did you get paid at all for anything you know how training you know how excited we get when something looks so good that it's like okay yeah don't worry we'll deal with the money later yeah i'm just going to get ready for this part there's nothing i wanted more than to play play Terry. And I know that Hemsworth was going to do this big biopic. This was about a

specific moment in time. It was called Killing Gocker. It's a great script. It's still out there. I don't know. I don't know what's happening with it. Did Seth or anybody call you up and say, hey? Yeah. He had developed a project for Netflix that he probably made a gazillion dollars for. I don't blame them for it. And you auditioned for it? I met with them. and apparently a lot of like a listers really wanted to play them and then when i walked in i went in kind of going okay let's talk about the psychological ramifications of of what he's fucking going through right now because this is right when uh the sex tape it's the whole sex tape

about gocker taking down gocker dot com with peter teal and matt bowmer was going to play peter teal and it was like it's phenomenal i'm so bummed like i'm listening to this right now and i'm like i think more bum than you i'm heartbroken uh yeah uh yeah but uh maybe it'll come back around maybe it'll come back i mean it's it's like older hogan so i'm still a tiny bit younger than was when this happened hold again hold again hold again but my whole point to telling you that story was that i was at two 90 and i was like okay i better start thinking about the hockey player which is the name of my script uh so i went out on the ice and my my skates were like a hot knife through butter it was like so heavy that like I was catching edges

and I was like oh this might be dangerous and then I went down pretty hard on a on a given go I gave it back to me you know I lined it up put a top corner but I was like what was that pop and uh yeah it was my it was my um meniscus and that was it I had to rehab for now it's stronger than it's ever been but it's like um i'm okay for the hockey player but terry belio's gone right now well you gain 45 pounds for a roll it doesn't happen you get back on the ice to work in this other project and you hurt yourself because you had gained so much weight for this other part that didn't happen what the fuck it's just not cool right no uh let's get into other stuff i mean yeah first of all um you say how much you love acting like you just like

you live i could see it um and you never lost that you still love being on set you don't mind the 12 14 hours you're in it to win it i love it with every cell in my body but um i think a lot of the prep for that is understanding that if i wasn't doing this for a living i wasn't uh i wasn't a great student um you're looking at the same mirror here but right like i mean i i i did not like school and and uh i uh my father uh is like 11th generation lumberjack like i would have i would have ended up uh working with my hands which would have been really detrimental to anyone who worked with me because i'm really not like i'm very untalented when it comes to like building things my father has this innate he's part of that generation where it's like looks at something

he's like okay i could build that he can look at my truck and go Oh, I could build that. Like, he's just, I have none of that. I could change my oil in a car. Dude, I don't, I can't do that. I can't change a tire. I could put chains on. I could do stuff like that, but I can't build.

You don't have to brag, Michael. Well, but nobody needs you to do these things anymore with all those electric cars around. I know, but that's, that's how I thought. So I was like, I know that in a very thin slice of life that I would be welding pickets in like 50 below and Thunderbed. And, you know, I think I would still be happy to some degree because I would find joy and other things. But I get to live, I get to live my dream. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. And even when I look at hockey now in retrospect, I'm like, had I made it, how long would I have made it for? And how much life after that would I have had trying to figure out, what hell do I do now? Whereas with this job, I'm trying to figure out how to live as long as I possibly can so I could be there from my daughters and my wife, but also so I keep aging into these characters. I love it. I love it. I love it. I, you know, it's funny because you say you've always dreamt of this.

This is like something here. It's weird for me when I hear that. I always think of myself. Yeah. You know, and I think, you know, did I always dream this? or did I fall into it because it was the only thing that kind of people accepted me for and I was able to be good at and made money and now do I still look at it as a dream I look it as maybe it was a great dream that I've lived and I still want to dabble in it but I'm not

I don't have the passion I did I look I love being on set I love talking with the crew and becoming you know i'm always best friends with the crew i always love trying stuff i'm always gonna give you different stuff um but i think unless it's something i'm absolutely passionate about if it's just it just doesn't i don't want to be unsuffer 12 or 14 hours for something i a i don't believe in i don't i don't think i don't think this is going to be a success i don't think this will be a success but i don't believe in the material and i would never watch this i'm trying to like and i'm lucky but I but but dream um I'm still trying to think is this what I'm destined to do because I'm I have ADD massively and I do so many different things whether I'm good at them or bad them I want to

try things yeah and if I can make money at them great and if I can't fine yeah but um I'm I'm in that stage where look if Spielberg fucking sent me a letter and said I wouldn't hesitate but like right it most things don't appeal to me now as much as they used to there's great power in that maybe maybe i think my agent think there's agent thinks there's not he's like you're going to become irrelevant well they're going to come irrelevant i go i'm not well i always have the chops i'll be there your your agent um wants to make money so it's like you know like that's that's how i you know it's true agents are great i mean i've had 1700 of them since i've moved to LA it's like it's it's it's like uh no disrespect to agents you know I'm grateful but

But you have to follow your heart. And if you're being drawn to all these different things, it's how awesome is that? Yeah. I mean, for me, it's like the only addition to the acting that has occurred is because I'm trying to create roles for myself that no one's giving me a shot at because they see. They see a size.

They see a power. They see it, and you have so much more to offer. I certainly think so. And as I age, as I've been stepping into that realm of, like, writing stories, better roles have been coming. But at the same time, like, I only want to do those things so that I could act more. Right. Yeah.

That's all I want to do. What is, I know we're going to change. years here, but what, how do you audition for Proxima Caesar? How do you audition for Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, a huge franchise, one of the biggest. How does that happen? My manager, at the time I was, I was part of that ICM takeover by CAA. Yeah, I was there too. Okay. They're like, who we want to keep you. And then they never, they never called me. Never. I'm calling them out right now. Never.

Same thing happened with me. They didn't care. They didn't believe in me. My manager, who does believe in me, thank God, both of them, got me the audition for apes. And she sent it to me. And I was like. Was it a lot of lines? Yeah.

Yeah, it was. A proximus is incredibly verbose. Species, yeah. The most verbose in this world to this point. And you memorize all of it? Yep. Yep, I did. I just wanted to, I didn't even want to get into the Simeon aspect of it because I understood

that that was going to be a whole other tan of worms. So I just played the scene. With a voice, the voice that you used? I was doing more of like a kind of a mid-Atlantic accent and just gave it power. and humor of physicality i was sitting the whole time but once i got the scene to a point where i watched i was like that's compelling that's good then i knew that i had this ace up my sleeve which was i've been obsessed with apes since i was a child and so you know at six that's how you started acting you watched planet of the apes yeah i saw that story yeah about your like your mom

You're like, how is that? There's people inside there. Exactly. And you're like, what? And you're like, you know, this is what I want to do. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so go ahead.

So my ace up my sleeve was that I set up a camera at the end of this long hallway in my house. And there were no lights. And so you couldn't really see the end of the hallway. So I made my wife press record. And then I just told her to leave it for a bit. So about five, six seconds go by. And then out of nowhere, I fucking do this crazy apron up. to the camera right and i pop up and and kind of like a what i envisioned a them was like i can

see it did the thing and i was flexing i was like i still had you have a shirt on i had a shirt on but i had the hulk ogan uh wait on so like i was like about 285 like then i was just dropping and uh i just slated and then they called uh pretty quick after and um um i'm so lucky uh you got you got the part you didn't have to go in again um no i i i i i i i met uh i took a meeting and um yeah the meeting was uh it was more like it felt as the meeting was going because you never know what you're going to get from a meeting like you're kind of like trying to sell yourself but it almost felt like they were trying to sell me on the world and i was like holy shit Like, you guys don't realize, like, I want to fucking, I really want to do this.

Like, let's, like, if you want me, let's go. Yeah, yeah. So that's kind of how it came down. And then, um, yeah. And then I just started working more on my flexibility and stuff. And then when I got there, we did like five weeks of ape school and five weeks. And I bet it's like, I bet you were sore doing all these moves and your, your posture's different and everything's, it was very. it's very natural for me really i wasn't sore uh being a hockey player you're always in that

crouch right yeah just you're always in that crouch your whole life so you're used to being in that crouch and then i spent i've been spending tons of time stretching for years and years so like my body liked it like uh almost liked it better yeah did they ask you to uh like find your voice find the gruffs find the how did you find that that like you know that whole thing i didn't know that was going to be it um we had gotten about four weeks in the ape school and it was just me and uh this uh fellow by the name of alen gotier who was like one of the founders of silk salet and he left silk to come and work with us and he started asking me questions because i started feeling like i was finding the body and through all it's neat because they did did the same anatomical work as

i had been doing for hulk oaken so i was like oh this is really neat that you guys are doing this because i was just doing this for this right i had never done that to that level before and uh he just asked me a question and and and and i and i just went i feel very good and he was like what And he was like, what a wonderful day. And he was just like, uh, do that again. Can you stay in that? I was like, I could talk like this all day. It just became this thing.

And I showed it to Wes, um, who's an amazing world builder. And he sat with me and he was like, I love this. He's like, now I want you to think more about the anatomy. And so I went and studied the end. anatomy of like the throat, the trachea, the soundbox and everything and tried to figure out. And I was like, man, getting human sounds out of that seems like that would be really hard. So I wanted to work for it. So I had to be off of a, you know, it was diaphragm.

I am very hungry. Right. It's always like. It came from the gut. Yeah. Came from like the, wow. So it's supported. So people are like, oh, that probably hurt you.

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It is a lovely story, and it's beautifully illustrated by my friend Heath and Simon Schuster's putting it out. It's going to be in tons of bookstores and available on Amazon. I'm so proud of it. and when you first saw this when you first saw because you're the whole trailer of the movie i mean it's like you know it's that whole wasn't expecting that man what's a wonderful day yeah it's like um when you first saw yourself on screen as this ape as as uh proxomus did you get goosebumps Wes brought me in to do some

I didn't know anything about the trailer or anything So when he brought me into the ADR He um He goes I gotta go make a phone call but I'm gonna play you a little bit And and I stood there And it wasn't until the end of it Like my body was shaking and I had tears come down

Because finally My biggest thing thing that I always loved was getting away from me and being something new. And this was the greatest immersive experience I had ever had. Have your kids seen it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I would have taken them, but my wife took them while I was away to impress. And because my, my eight-year-old is, she's, She's a real, little artist, storyteller, and she flipped out at the end.

Like, she was so, like, she was beyond unhappy. She was so distressed. Oh, what happened to you? Because she wasn't seeing proximate. She was seeing me because she had been, she sees me walking around the house like that all the time and speaking in that voice and I play with them like that. And so, you know, even though there was that. great work that wedda added on um she she didn't do so well with that oh man so i i don't know

maybe when she's older to do a part like that is just i mean because you've done so much i remember the first time i saw you was in lost and i just remember who's this guy actually smoking aces i think because you played a neo-nazian that right yeah yeah yeah yeah i remember seeing that i go god this guy's got so much presence then i saw you in lost i was like oh that guy yeah yeah and then it's like and you wonder sometimes it's like I thought you were a lot like me in a sense that people will go I think I've seen that guy

yeah yeah yeah but you have so much more you have a distinct look that you probably get noticed a lot yeah well I mean more now what do they notice you from the strain it's kind of all over the map now which is really cool yeah it's nice like I'm dark angel everything

I mean yeah Abigail yeah Yeah, yeah. You know what I first saw you in? What? Pool hall junkies. I'm surprised you weren't in that role. Dude, I saw that movie and I was like, because it kind of resembled Mars a little bit back then.

I was like, look at these guys. Like, I was just so impressed with you guys, like, because walking is like like a god, right? By the way, your story, the flash story. People use that story now. I use that story. I seriously like, I, I, I, I, and I, and I. And I say that it's from you. And I think he's done that with someone else.

Because someone else, they said that was their story. And I'm like, what are you talking about? I didn't say it was my story. No, no, no, you could do that, though. I said it was no. But other actors have said, you know, said like it happened to them. Such a good story. The way you tell it, it's so good.

So like, I, I, you know, I've used that a bunch of times because I, I have a bunch of walk-in stories that I've heard through the great line. And it's just like, it's like, it's like, tell me flash. Oh. call me yeah anyway but um you know that movie pool hall junkies which i like and a lot of people like that movie i like that my co-star from small welling loves that movie yeah but i got a call the night before at about five o'clock in the evening and it was my agent saying hey the director for this movie wants to call you and i go uh what movie like they're shooting a movie in utah's called pool hall junkies

you know blah blah blah and uh i go okay and so the director calls me mars calls me goes hey man i like your work and i'm just wondering if uh you know you'd be interested in in doing this movie playing my brother in this pool movie and i go yeah it would totally be interested man he goes well here's the deal you're seeing shoots first up tomorrow in utah and i go my heart starts pounding i go uh i i can't you know i haven't read the script and he's like listen man it's chas palm and terry christopher walking rod stiger i go i'm in and they just messagered messengers me a script and i tried to learn the lines that night back when you had paper scripts paper scripts and i flew

out first thing in the morning and i went right to set on the first flight uh and they they pushed everything and I shot they shot some exterior and stuff before I showed up and I walked in going oh you're my brother okay here we go we're going to shoot a scene together and I remember even when I watched that scene I go oh my god you're so nervous in that scene that's okay and I notice it but like it was it was a great time my life but like that's rock star stuff that's the cool stuff that you know you look back on you're like wow I did that that's I almost let fear get in the way and was like I can't do this like tomorrow I mean can you wait a day or two and I was like no dude we're you know shoestring budget we have no money we all the money went to walk in for his three

days of work you know where he does the lion speech and you know uh they have this this thing on lions on the discovery channel the lion he sits there you know the hyenas start on adam the lioness he's she's all over the cubs and he just lets it go but one day he gets up and he tears through everything runs like the wind because sometimes you have to show the world you're lying something like that it's some speech like that so good but um well look i mean you've done so many things do you go to cons and get uh do you do your autograph signings i just you'd be you'd do huge i just did my first two um Where I did fan expo no I did Texas horror hound yeah I heard of that and then I did

Mountain view terror mountain valley mountain valley I don't know my god I'm so sorry it doesn't matter it's like you forget but but you how were you how was the response and how did you like it i actually really loved it like i i i didn't expect to love it the way that i did and i they'd been asking me for a while right and i just um i just thought oh i don't know i'm just i'm just i'm just the craftsman and i just fuck off like it was it was it was the best thing ever it was is vast i'm going to go do some more um um yeah i mean you have pictures on your you must have 10 different movies or projects you've been in you know what he's got my agent has about uh i think 15 or 20 different ones but then he every every the first two times we did it

he has a list of people going well why don't you have this guy why don't you have this guy and then he adds them and then you know but because people ask what about that yeah the picture for that yeah yeah yeah Yeah, because people have, generally, for years and years, they would connect me to one character from one movie that meant something to them. And then they're always like, have you ever, have you worked since? And I'm like, well, yeah, no, I have. I have. I've been really, I've been really lucky. But they, you know, they think, and that's fine.

Yeah, yeah. They connected to that guy. Yeah. And that's awesome. Um, so it's, it's, it's, it's kind of fun for me to hear all this story. You know, I had a couple of, uh, experiences with people like this one woman. She, uh, she came out with a family. They drove five hours. They come and meet me and she never leaves the house because of her anxiety. Hmm. You can relate. We had this chat and tears were shed and hugs and. Isn't that something? That's, I, that was, those moments are just beautiful moments. That was worth that connection. Yeah. Yeah. With real. people who for some reason are drawn to you or admire your work or connected with them and the fact that you connect with them oh it's like you get something from each other i am so grateful

for that uh that new aspect to to my life and being able to just go and talk to people and hear what they have to say you know and if i could take a picture of someone and it makes their day it makes they're weak and wow that's that's amazing that's right it's just rare it's like who you know how many people get to do that how many people get to make an impact on someone's life and you don't have to do much you don't have to do it's not like you're asked for all you have to do is is talk talk to them yeah have a moment with them yeah where you from what are you doing why did you connect with this thanks for being here it's not like and you know it's funny because these cons before i started doing cons i was like what is this i don't but i was going to cons like i was going to cons like i

I go to horror movie cons. Oh, that's awesome. With my friends before I was anybody. Monster Palooza is here in, I think, Burbank or Glendale. I go every year. I'm not invited. Yeah. I just go.

Yeah. I go as a guest. Oh, that's so awesome. And I bring my friends. And I'm just like, yeah. That's awesome. You know, I just love that. I love that thing.

What, where do you see yourself? Like, what, like, everybody has a vision of where they want to see them. see themselves go and be like what do you what's your vision of like if your dreams came true and you're like they already came true because you're already doing it what do you see yourself what what actors do you want to work with what project what kind of character would you like to play besides the one that you're that you're writing obviously maybe that's the one i try to be as patient with myself as i can be and just kind of go increment for increment because before I used to set the bar was just so high with, like, some of my friends, like my mentors, that, you know, I was like, okay, well, he did this by this time.

What am I doing? And then when you put yourself on other people's schedules, there's nothing more detrimental that you could do to yourself because we're all on our own time. Yeah. Um, my dream has always been to, to take it as far as I possibly can. I want to be able to, um, carry much more weight within narratives. I, I'm, I'm cool with not being the lead all the time. That's not what I mean. I just, I just, I just want the opportunity to continue to flesh out.

great characters and great stories the greatest stories that i could possibly tell the greatest characters that i could possibly play and hopefully with the greatest people uh possible um you know the goal is um you know i i was telling people when i was you know 17 waiting tables and bouncing at at perkins and in thunder bay i was the night shift guy and and you know i would wait tables and then if someone ran out without paying i'd hear jimmy conopulmonary Let us, God rest his soul, manager, owner. He'd be like, Kevin! And then I would run to the front, and he'd be like,

this table just ran out, blah, blah, blah. And I would go and, like, I did whatever I could to get enough money so that I could go to theater school. And then I realized theater school was a big whack of crap for me. I didn't do anything for me. So I just hit the ground running. My goal was always to go after the golden conch. go go i'm i'm i i used to tell people i won't tell you what i was telling people but people

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that would be awesome. So just go to Patreon, P-A-T-R-E-O-N, Patreon.com slash inside of you. And I really appreciate you. Thanks. It's so funny you say that. Yeah, I remember this girl, Alexis Combs. She was, I was good friends with her, and her dad was like one of the heads of the theater department in college. And he was a mentor to me.

He was awesome. Witt. But we were sitting on the stairs right outside this building where she lived this apartment. And we're just sitting there and having a drink or whatever. And I was going to New York, you know, to be an actor to pursue it. And she goes, aren't you nervous? Aren't you like, and I remember, I go, I remember saying this to her. I remember going, Alexis, please, please remember this.

I am going to make it. There's no doubt about it. There's, do not ever worry about me. Like, I already know I'm going to make it. I'm aware. I'm so, I was so hyper aware and confident and I saw it. and it was tangible and I didn't look at odds and I wish I had that same guy's mentality now because that was just like what do you call it uh false bravado but it but it wasn't it was like

i knew it was energy and i and i told i go don't forget this moment because i'm telling you yeah it's gonna happen yeah and i wasn't bullshitting her at all yeah and i believe if you don't have that feeling inside you yeah don't in something don't don't get into it if you're thinking i don't know i'll give it a year i was there was no doubt in my mind i think that's a lot of profession if you're going to do something you got to believe you're going to do it oh hell yeah believe and want and dream and all those things and i you know i was lucky enough to have that as a kid and i think my um what what got me there was you know a lot of stuff as a child like not getting certain things not wasn't no one believed in me no one thought i'd amount to much and it was about

proving yourself yeah and shown the world and i think i needed that yeah as as horrible as it may sound like you know sob story like all that stuff just builds you if you feel like you've lost that a bit it's probably because you're too smart because you're your your brain over the years no i can tell you're very intelligent person i i have a certain level of ignorance like it's it's really my bliss and um if i have a dream nothing can stop it and it might take me a lifetime i'm gonna get that there's no there's there's no question there's also no rush so everything i don't know some people are like come on i i know but at the same time you got to understand like you know you you can't let it i've been in that place where it's driving it drives me so insane that i can't see anything else

yeah and when i was in that place my joy for life suffered so profoundly that i needed to learn how to trust in the long game and you know like every day and when I do my breath work and my meditations I have my I start with like like in my breath holds I go into this space where I first think of all the things I'm grateful for everything I love that it just feeds me so much and then I go into all the things that I'm grateful for that are going to happen And it's not a question as to, well, how am I going to make it happen? It doesn't matter. It's going to happen.

And so my whole, like I've been doing that for quite a while and like everything ends up coming to fruition. It's just not being too definitive about how it's going to happen. I'm going to get there and when. But I'm every day I'm getting there. And every day that I get in there. that I get to live and breathe as a human being and now as a father and as a husband and neighbor and you know just a fellow citizen of the planet earth yeah I'm getting better we're all getting better if you just allow yeah and if you want to get better yes if you want to get better yes

a lot of its choice you know and and I believe that with that attitude it's allowed me to navigate through all of the like you said like the odds the numbers and all that stuff it's like i i i don't i don't allow myself to think of all the things that are that make my vision impossible because there's just too many of them i rather focus on the things that make it possible i agree and you know there's some things that are in my mind that i don't talk about that i'm like when you say no rush it's like when i'm ready in my head I'm like there's certain things I'm like you don't need to rush you need to fix or work on certain things for that to be an option sure does that make sense yeah without telling you

what I'm talking about yeah like I have to like hey it's okay to take care of whatever it is and do whatever it takes and then to get there but you I always see it always see okay I'd like to be there i'd like to you know not have this uh you know back problem or not this but let's let's work on that and let's get as healthy as we can yeah and let's really and then all those things will happen yeah the way you want them to so um but patience is important to patience is it is it is because you want it now you want to hear you want you know it's like i don't know it's just it's important to sort of be present like you said be present and sort of like hey i'm talking to you right now ryan's right there he's there he's always there oh he's there

what the hell where did you come from um this is that is great um if you have to think of uh your time on the strain you had 43 episodes that looks like it was a lot of work long nights tons of nights exhaustion was it hard uh we couldn't keep crews um the the in toronto the strain was known as the strain like it was a strain like no like a lot of crew members didn't want to work on the strain because the nights yeah we had just we had a lot of frowder days right and um for me personally this fucking ball but i but basically i but basically i don't a shit show for producers it wasn't easy they did an amazing job i don't know how they did it i mean Dale, who was our producer on there, like he would, he would be able to tell me at the start of the season, he was like, you're going to be going home on this date in five months. And I'd be like, yeah, right. And every year, he was, he made it happen. Wow. That's rare. It was amazing. Yeah. Now he's, now he has an Oscar on his shelf for the stuff, you know, that he's done with Garamo since then. And like, he's just, he's one of those guys. Like, this is what's going to happen. And he

makes it happen and i love that and i it's so cool to get to work with people like that him and carlton and uh garmo and like you know they're they were just such um dreamers that made their dreams come true absolutely do it yeah what was uh what was it like is vasili vasili vasili how do you how do you yeah a silly vasili how was it like playing fit like that well you know playing fap was like uh It was very interesting for me to get to play this guy, you know? Because it's the first time that, I love it. Geremo said, we did, like, chemistry reads. Corey Stoll and I did chemistry reads with six actresses for who is going to be the love interest

because the love interest would fluctuate between both of us. and uh and um gerimo kept saying hey vasili doesn't show his emotions he doesn't smile and i was like i think you're wrong he's like i wrote the book and i was like i understand i understand that just give me a little bit just watch what just tell me how you feel at the end of the day because we're just doing chemistry so just let's just see it and i i argued with him that you know he He's got all these journals throughout all the books where he's talking about how like he's coming into fruition. Right. And he's like the world's falling apart all around him.

But his purpose has risen to a place where he's become one of the most important people. He's the guy you want to be with during a vamp apocalypse. So I played that because you're not going to show on a show with this guy going through his journal. dear right right so not that all that subtext or whatever yeah so I got the play you know so what did he say he

after the day went he said he said you're right he was like that's that's that's that's really he said that's what that's what it needs to be and and that's what he ended up you fought for what you believed well I just it just that's just how I saw

and and I took a meeting with him and Carlton about eight months before and he was offering it to me and at the time i was doing the captive for adam magoyan and i was down to like about a hundred ninety five pounds which for me is like i was like skin and bones and had this weird stash and it was going into a really bad place and he was like you're going to be able to put on weight right i was like oh give me a couple ways it doesn't take me long it was like he goes uh he goes so you want to do it and i go well i'd love to read the other books He was like, Kevin, how often do you get to save the world and get the ass?

And get the ass? That's what he said. That's what he said. And get the ass. In an accent? In his accent, but I'm not going to even try. And yeah, it was just, it was really magic for me. I love that.

Because I've never gotten to play the hero, the heroic. Yeah. the no people don't see me is that problem well they should they will all right this is called shit talking with kevin durand or how do you say it in french durand uh oh i thought you meant en jauze en jauze on jose on jose with kevin durin oh there you go inside of you become a patron and support the podcast uh all right these are rapid fire so you got to boom sarah g i saw abigail twice in theaters loved it what was it about production that drew you to it and how much fun did you have on set?

What was the most challenging role to date? And what was the most challenging role to date? Radio silence. I was a fan of theirs. Saw Ready or not. Their storytelling was just so great within that genre. And then the script was fantastic. Most challenging role to date.

And my favorite role at the date, Proxima Caesar, hands down. I challenge any filmmaker to give me something better. There you go. By the way, in Abigail, did you audition for that too? I did. Was it tough? It was tough in the sense that it was a lot. It's not like he had speeches or anything.

So you know those auditions where it's like, oh, I'm just kind of coming in. So then figuring him out was a different process. Right. But then once we got together in Ireland and we were in this, we shot in the Guinness Mansion. where the Guinness family had, it was their vacation mansion. And Mr. Guinness, Sir Guinness, had a secret hallway that connected another mansion. And that's where he kept his mistress. Jesus.

It was the craziest, coolest house. So, yeah, anyways. Raj, tell me about the most recent time you felt scared. It would have been anxiety-based. It was the last time I really felt scared. Yeah, it always is. it was like uh i would go into these uh points of time where i it would be months where i was like i'm going to die like like it would it would be so there would be points where it's like i have

like a minute and it was like that for three months i i know that feeling just desperation anybody's feeling that please go and get help don't feel embarrassed about it it's it's it's it's totally normal you'd be surprised at how many of us have it so it's like go get help uh dev nexen what is the most what is the moment in your child's life you are glad you did not miss for which you remember the most oh my gosh so many the birth the birth of my first child uh the doctor let me uh pull her out and i pulled her out and i brought her up and i brought her up And she kind of shook her head and then she looked at me. And when she first opened her eyes, she was looking at me.

And it's the greatest love, most profound thing I've ever felt. And in the meantime, I'm here. And I'm like, what the fuck is that? And then I was like, put her down. She's cold. And I was like, oh, shit. Because I was so caught in this moment. No one could get her because I'm up here looking at her.

Put her down. Oh, you know, I never do this, but like, I, there's so many things I could talk to you forever. You're so easy to talk to. I love this. It's really open and just really fun to know how you work, what your joy is, what your dreams are. Okay, so I'm going to just ask you quick questions. What's it like working? What was it like working with David Cronenberg?

David was intense. Intense. There's a beautiful intensity. He knows exactly what he wants. he casts exactly who he wants so going to set the the most direction i got from him was this or this turn it down turn it up turn it and and he did that once and then he never had to give me direction again we just understood each other he was he was amazing uh dark angel uh overall the experience was it was a great experience it was the first time i had ever made

money um ever you're just happy to be there like real money like i couldn't believe it um uh i love disappearing into joshua and there was this real connection to i always felt kind of like a beast of sorts um so i just got them i missed them so much i'm more i still mourn him not would you do a dark angel uh if they did like one show one out or hell yeah You would? Even if they did a limited series, Dark Angel. I'd jump in as Joshua, sure. You would? Absolutely.

Lost. I mean, phenomenon. I watched every episode. I loved it. It's when I saw you and I was like, oh, my God. What was your experience like that on that? You know how you're talking about how you got the script the night before? Yep. Every day on loss was like that. That's terrible. That's terrible. I like that. they uh like uh if you know the show so the scene with um Alex when I point blank you know Ben Linus's daughter um I was in Sydney shooting a Wolverine and they gave me the script like I got the script like basically right before I got on the plane to Hawaii

were you stressed immediately oh my God but at the same time so exactly I was like, oh shit, this is going to hit hard, you know. And so there was this, it taught me how to just trust that it's all there. You know, it's, it's all going to be there. So just, just trust. Don't worry about little minute specific things. Right, right. You don't need to always get those as long as the director gets what he wants. It's okay. And that's what it taught me. Do you ever get starstruck? And who do you get starstruck over? More hockey players. Then who's your favorite hockey players? Who's your favorite hockey? player of all time. Mario Lemieux. Me too. Hands down. If you want to get Hodgkins, and if you wouldn't have had the back surgery,

I think he would have. Dude. Yeah. I think he's the best of all time. Dude, when he came back from Hodgkins and still on the scoring race, nobody had, I mean, Gretzky people, Gretzky was phenomenal. But to me,

overall player. Hard hitting, checking, tough, scoring, soft hands. He had to handle his own business. He didn't have him exorily. You know, it would be so nice if we could all have them sorely following us around. But Gretzky's, don't get me wrong. Oh, yeah, Gretzky's like, he's right there.

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, and he's a great guy, too. But Mario's just... This is when we lose people when you get into hockey. I know. This is when we lose people. Okay. No, this is great.

No, this is great. No, it's the end of the interview, so... No, no, no. This has been fantastic. You're such an amazing guy, great actor. I mean, you always bring it. Every time I see you on screen, pop. You just pop.

And I wish you the most success, and thanks for opening up about your anxiety and your life. And I hope you'll come back because it was so easy to talk to you. Usually I'm like, this is, you know, it feels like it's longer. And this felt like it was very interesting. And it had my attention the whole time. I love, I would love to come back. And we should work together too. I would love that.

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