Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - KRISTEN SCHAAL: Bob's Burgers Family, Becoming Unbreakable & Simpson's Easter Eggs

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

Kristen Schaal (Last Man on Earth, Bob’s Burgers) joins us this week to share her unfiltered journey through the highs and lows of Hollywood. From crashing on couches in New York and making comedy for no money, to finding her voice on South Park and building family on Bob’s Burgers, Kristen’s story is one of persistence and originality. Along the way, she talks about the realities of rejection, the vulnerability of miscarriage, and why she embraces the label of being “too weird” for mainstream comedy. Thank you to our sponsors: 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We could use all the help. So go to patreon.com slash inside of you. And without further ado, let's just get into the wonderful, talented and just amazing Kristen Shaw. It's my podcast. of you you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum inside of you inside of you with michael rosenbaum was not recorded in front of the live studio audience i know we already did it well we talked on the plane and we got really deep yeah because your dad was

visiting i know everything about your relationship to your parents yeah let's not talk about it yeah Um, no, but... And the visit went well. Yeah, no, the visit went well. It's, uh, it's family's never easy, as you know. It's never easy. You don't choose your family. Right, but you could choose not to talk to your family if you want.

Oof, I guess so, but what a loss. Is that a loss? Oh, sorry. Did you hear that? Did you catch that on the bike? I didn't hear it. Oh, I did. It was like a rumble down here.

Is it so hot? It morphed into a burp. So for the listeners, Michael made me a coffee with some merch from the pot. Inside of you, podcast. And the coffee is so hot that my tongue is numb. So that's what I'm doing after one sip. You know, I didn't. But thank you.

Yeah, you're welcome. I didn't know. You're so goofy and I love it. You're just like. And what's funny is I'll be honest with you. Oh, for one. For once in our lives, because we talked for like two and a half hours on a plane. All I wanted to do was sleep.

You just wouldn't shut up. Well, you were talking to me. Oh, yeah, I had to be polite. I didn't know you. Oh, God. I didn't feel like that. Yeah, because you were talking about yourself. That's not true.

I was asking a lot of questions about you. What do you remember? I remember talking about your husband. I remember talking about your little girl. I remember talking about your mom. You want to bring that up? Okay. Okay.

So I guess we did get into it. it. Yeah, you're telling me about your mom, how. I didn't want to sleep, though. Did you want to sleep? And I was like, well, look, if we didn't, if we didn't, if we didn't, if we didn't, if we didn't, if we didn't be here. You could pretty much do anything, though, can you? I mean, you could do drama. You could do comedy. You do animation. Because I was looking, I didn't know a lot about you. Sure. Yeah, we are strangers to each other. Total random meeting. I, yeah, I, I knew like, like a couple things. And I was like, she's great. She'd be fun. But then I started looking you up. Yeah. And I was like, anything from, were you really like a consultant and writer for season 11 at South Park? Yes, I was. Yes, I was. How did that happen? Well, with this friend that I did Deontward with, we created this web series called Penelope, Princess of Pets about a girl who can talk to animals when she gets her period.

And then they tell her that the world's going to end unless she kills a senator. So she goes on this journey with the help of the animals to, assassinate a senator and we made puppet animals and it was so good i saw you eye in my puppets right away my eye went right to them yeah so you you did that and that got attention yeah it got a lot of attention and i think the south park guys saw it or someone close to them and um they needed another writer they like to hire um non-union writers and sort of uh your union now though you know what i don't I think I was because I did sell a few pilots and then I think it dried up again. That's why I was, yeah, I'm not.

How many pilots have you sold and how many aired? Zero have aired. None of it have made it to the next phase of me getting to see what it might look like. Me too. Except for Penelope Princess of Pets because we made it ourselves on the web. That's how you have to do it. It's just how you have to do it. I think you're right.

Well, they always say that. It's just like, just shoot it, just shoot it. Just grab your iPhone. I'm like, but my iPhone goes in and out of focus. I don't know. I know. And the sounds so bad. Well, you know, you've got to use a real sound and you've got to use loaves and you got to, it's

never that easy. It's not. You have to make something like that. You have to have a team. You have to have funding. The Penelope web series was a gift because around this time in New York, and there was people called Super Deluxe. And they were giving away money to, um,

you know, kind of unique wild comedians to make web series for them. Right. And so without even, they were just like, here's your money. And then you could just hire your friend who's learning how to do sound. You know, we were young enough. That's cool. It was such a magical time. And we knew it when it was happening.

Like, this is rare. Yeah. Do you think you had more fun starting out than you do now? Good. This is such a great question. I long for. My 20-year-old Kristen self, running around New York. Yeah, totally.

Energized. Energized. A peer group. Everybody's hungry. Everybody's, like, down to make stuff. Yeah. And fuck, I guess. Okay.

And, um, sorry. No, take that out. No, that's good. I just, I was doing the DT and then I, um. D.P. Down to produce. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh.

Um, so anyways. And it was. And I was, no one knew who I was. So when I would do comedy on stage, I could play different characters. I could always be an underdog. I could surprise an audience in a way that I don't feel like I can do as much now. And also at the same time, every time I think back about that period, I also remember that I was super lonely, always wondering if I should give up, if I should go do something else. How was I going to pay my rent?

Like I had like this day job sucked. This guy with this boss was a shithead, but I need the money. How come my other friends don't have to pay back student loans? Jesus. So I know that it was or like getting rejected from like a comedy I knew I could do because I didn't have the people to represent me to get me to that level and thinking like, but also being so angry. You were angry.

I was angry when I didn't get the opportunity. Because I knew I kind of knew that I would be good at them. And now that I'm older, I don't, when I don't get the opportunities, I'm a little more beaten down. And I'm like, well, they must know something I don't. Wait, so you would think you would get, you would get less upset with not getting things now because, you know, you're just kind of accustomed to it. Not accustomed, but used to like, you understand rejection. You know how to deal with that. I do. I understand rejection.

And now I also see, I still think there's. There's a few jobs where I'm like, whoof, I would have really torn that up. That's a shame. But you also see the people that did get the job you didn't get and how great they are in it or how that was just the vision they had. And it wasn't what your vision was when you read the script. So it's all good. Or I do feel like the stuff that I thrive in is the stuff where I get invited, like they had me in mind. and it's always weird.

Like, I feel very blessed that whoever's making something a little bit weird has me in mind. Yeah, I mean, you know, you have a great voice. You have a great voice. But you're odd in the best way. Ouch. Sorry, I just had my second sip. Oh, my God. What kind of machine made this?

Hell? Listen. Oh, my God. But when I was writing pilots, though, like, my husband and I just wrote something together that we really like, and, you know, we send to their agents, and the agents are like, ah, yeah, this is funny. We're going to send it to all these producers, and we're, like, slowly trickling in, like, it's killing me, you know? It's like, yeah, this is the funniest thing we've read, but we just don't see a path to making this, or this world is just so specific. We just can't do this. It's the same shit.

Like, uh, we love it. we love the writing we love the characters we love how dark it gets that's how you know the rejection's coming then you don't love it yeah the best note the best note i ever got was um who's gonna watch this and i said in the meeting which probably fucked it up i said did you enjoy the script oh yeah we i loved it well how about you you'll watch you'll watch you'll watch you They're like, we don't watch TV. So if you're saying who will watch it, but you want to watch it. Yeah.

That's a shitty excuse. Yeah. And I just was like pissed. I was like, you know, you can't. And it doesn't matter who you are anymore. They, it's all about marketing. It's all about, will this make money? Well, there's, I did a show that got canceled after two seasons.

And if that was on TV today, it'd be a hit. What show? It was called impaster. But the imposter? Imposter? No, imposter. Impaster. What's an imposter?

pastor. I was a gay man posing as a priest. Ooh, that's hot. And I banged prostitutes. And I did it. Yeah. And it was, it was really fun. Great premise. And, uh, but the viewership was strong. What's going on? They wanted to do more female-oriented shows. Wait, I'm sorry, have I an upside down world? That's not a thing. I think now it's more become more. Is it? Namesome. Hunting women, women, women hunters? Women hunters? Hunting women? You know what I'm talking about?

That's a big hit. Ryan, you watch hunting women? How about that series with Nicole Kimman and Reese Witherspoon that was out? How about the two? There's plenty of shows. I'm not saying there's, I'm not saying that there's not enough or there's too much. I'm just saying I see them. And by the way, I see so many shows out there.

It's just too many to choose from. I spend two hours not watching. anything. Yeah. Looking at, should we just watch Dateline? Should we just watch the first 48? You know what you should watch? What?

Detroiters. What's that? It's a comedy that was happening in 2017. So I was working on Last Man while it was happening. I was like, how did I not know about that? I loved it. So funny. Thank you.

Yeah. Why did that get canceled? I mean, you did 65 episodes. Yeah, I don't know. They wanted to move into multi-cams. They're like, we're just going to do multi-cams. Multicambs are terrible.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, Seinfeld's good. I don't like them. Friends is good. Hang on a second. You're talking about the 90s. Then they were good. People want the 90s back.

I love Seinfeld. Those shows made so much money. And they were cheap to make. Yeah, but they just make them so. What's a good multicam that I should watch that I haven't given a chance to? Friends. I just was in my hotel room the other day. I was like, this is a good show.

All right. I don't know about what. one now though i wouldn't watch one now i mean people love the big bang oh wait but they love the big bang were you on that no no but okay going back to uh golden girls oh golden girls i love golden girls golden girls is great detroit has tim robinson oh i love yeah yeah and it was what they were doing um before you know i think you should leave and it's um but it's a sitcom right and it's like really fresh and funny uh detroit detroit right i'm right Write that down. I want to watch it. You know what you should watch? What? The Devil's Plan. Okay.

It's a Korean reality show. Let me, but let me tell you something. Yeah. Watch the first episode and tell me you can't keep watching it. It's really smart people and they're all in this house and there's adventures they have to do. Like there's like a, you know, like a mafia. Yes. Like there's sort of a mafia, but more intelligent. telling of that with these people and their just watch it the devil's plan i'm going to not watch it um well i hate reality shows michael how did you get your back fucked up like was it a stunt i like to imagine it was a stunt um and if it's not you don't have to say no it was hockey i play hockey ice hockey oh shit and i got hit from behind with a puck no with a stick no why would they do that a puck wouldn't do. Someone came at you and hit you with a stick? From behind. Yeah. In aggression?

Yes, not me out. I was out unconscious. Like they just went, what? No, like the stick was like this, two hands and they boom. A get like to like slam you, slam you against the wall or something? No, it was open ice. It was like I was, I was, I passed the puck to Shane Hemming away and the next thing I know I'm out unconscious. How old were you? Uh, 17. Oh, oh, it's a teenager thing. So from there on, I started having major back problems. And once you have a surgery, forget about it. Don't have a surgery, forget about it. Don't have a I don't have surgery if you don't have to. Why? Because you'll ultimately have to have another surgery. Okay.

Nobody just has one surgery and they're fine, unless they're sedentary. Are you sedentary? I do a little bit of exercise if I'm feeling good about myself. November is heating up for U.S. soccer. The United States need to be a little more nasty. Make international friees for the men. Right. Oh, Callum, that was nasty.

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Are they still, your dad's still with you? And my dad, yeah. Are they both proud of you? Yes. Were they always proud of you? I think so. I think it was one of those, from my, this is the other thing. My mom will always point out that, like, you don't remember this, that, the other.

And I, I started feeling really bad. Like, am I, like, dement, am I losing it? And then I remembered that people have their own memories. Interpretation. I just read that. Your memory is different from everyone else's at that moment. It's a feeling you have. It's an emotion, right?

So growing up, were you popular? Were you doing plays? Were you, what were you like? Well, I wasn't popular. I had trouble making my close best friends. Like, you know, everybody had those friendship necklaces, and I could not get in on that. Even like, like, in the sixth grade, there was like the friendship necklace that breaks into threes. So you could have, I couldn't even get into a threesome in the necklace.

And I remember that being like, whoa. But I wasn't like the kid that was bullied because I know exactly who those two kids were. And I still think about them every day. Oh. It's devastating. It was bad. It was really bad. Were you goffed out at all?

So my friends in high school then were more in the goth crew. And I would go to like the Ground Zero nightclub in Boulder for a goth night. And I went to cute. My brother gave me a cure cassette tape for Christmas to get me out of New Kids on the Black. And that was, and it worked. It worked. I love Robert Smith. I love Robert Smith.

What would you say your favorite cure song is? Oh, I would say probably, that's tough, man. Anything on disintegration is like really powerful. What's that one song? The whole album is good. How much long. Hold on to this world. I think that's the smiths.

No, that's the cure. It's a thousand, a thousand hours. Oh, a thousand hours. That must be on wish. I think it was on wish. Maybe you're right. Okay. Oh, that is.

I can, like, sing letters to Elise by heart. But my favorites, I mean, pictures of you is so good. Oh, man. I can't pick one. And then, of course, like, I love, like, love cats. I like, why can't I be you? Like, they're not, it's not a depressing, everyone's like, oh, they're all about being sad. It's like, no, you don't, you don't understand their music.

Ricky just farted. So, there's that. He said, I wish I would have brought Charles, my dog, because I think they were. That's my dog, Charles, Charlie. They would have been really, I think he would have also just laid here. Oh, that's good. See, my dog would never do that. This room's fun.

Do you like this room, Ryan? He's in it all the time. Where do you live? Unfortunately, down the street. why you don't oh you live in what do you mean unfortunately down the street you son of a bitch hey ryan i forgot to do this thing can you come over real quick oh my god that doesn't happen a lot you know what you need to it happened last week but honestly do i really bug you that much do you stand up for yourself ryan because you also can make a boundary you know let's not get

into therapy here are you are you into therapy yes i've started therapy again i when i had a kid i had to go into therapy because having a kid is like it's a big deal I would say I would say and you had a rough pregnancy gross one dude you had a good pregnancy at the end but like tons of miscarriages on the way then you have a fractured fallopian tube it's called an ectopic pregnancy and it burst you can't really could you die from that it can you only fracture a bone though right can you fracture oh oh like yeah well fractures kind of like a brinked yeah well fractures kind of like a fracture my skin a rupture yeah I guess you could say it oh I fractured my hair it's usually refers to bones I would think I think so but no I had a misdiagnostic topic pregnancy that um that ended up just keep go like oh no you're fine it's just you're ovulating when she did the ultrasound and then I went about for another couple months until it burst in a sound booth and I didn't know what was happening I mean I bled two liters of blood sitting in the emergency room And then I had surgery and then they took it.

And then it's like, then you like wake up and they're like, oh, guess what? You not only did you lose this baby. I was a little sad. Like the baby, like, was it growing? But, but like also you lost like part of your anatomy. Anatomy. And you're like, oh, God. And then you just have to like, you just have to do like a low, lonely wailing cry in your bedroom and no one's home.

And then you just like get back. on the horse. But you have sweet Ruby. And then I got sweet Ruby. One of the things that kept me, well, after that, I was like, I need to do IVF because I need to get the egg in the right place. I need to get the embryo in the right place because clearly there's some shit going down in there.

And we got one and we got Ruby. And then I like to think that all the miscarriages are like, you know, this is so weird, but like to justify it, I'm like, well, I was supposed to have Ruby. That doesn't make sense Like all those other My mom had three miscarriages before me I think Yeah right And actually my mom had a miscarriage

Between my brother and I Like at five months like a big one And I'm like a little bit like Well if that baby didn't go I doubt they would have had another one And you wouldn't be here Thank you dead baby So I'll tell Ruby

You know you have three dead babies to thank You know and she'll Every night Thank your threebies Thank you dead three babies Thank you, dead therabies. Because I don't think you'd be here. I didn't think we'd talk about dead babies, but we got there.

Back to growing up. So you're not that popular, you're lonely. But what got you into the, got you in acting and doing all this stuff? And were your parents supportive with you doing that? Yeah, it was weird. I was always like, I always sort of knew I wanted to be an actress. It was, this, this was like such a gift that I am thankful for. every day that I always kind of knew I wanted to do this.

What was it a show? Was it an actor or somebody that you were like, I want to do that? I have no idea. I just remember like, you know, we didn't have cable. So we didn't watch much TV. When we got a VCR, we watched more. And I liked watching like, you know, police academy or Muppet's Take Manhattan. Because you grew up on a ranch, right?

Yeah, on a farm. Yeah, yeah. But then my, but I would always do shows around the house. Like, I saw the Wizard of Oz in the library when I was probably, like, three years old. And after that, I found, like, a fake, a plastic basket. And I reenacted the Wizard of Oz. I was Dorothy. I was skipping around.

Like, I just, that was, and then I would put on shows. My mom got a bunch, found some old curtains, and I would tie them around. And I would put on shows in my house, like, when I was four. Yeah. Like, it was just a thing. I guess I was doing that stuff, too. I was watching Saturday Night Live, and I was like, my parents would come home and they go, what happened?

And I go, well, this is what happened on SNL tonight. And I would do the church lady. And I do, you look absolutely marvelous. And I would give all the impressions, Tommy Flanagan. Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket. Me and my wife, Morgan Fairchild. And I would do all these things.

And that's the only thing that can make my dad laugh. Yeah. Was me doing these impressions. And I felt like I was winning. Yeah. If that happened, if my dad was laughing, I was like, okay, I'm doing something. Right. So maybe that's why I kind of got into it. I never really thought about it. But maybe entertaining, you were making your family laugh. Well, they weren't watching. I was doing it alone.

This was for- My mom was like cleaning the house. Like nobody was paying attention. You're like the cinema come out in your room. Yeah. Yeah, kind of. But it was fine. And then I, and then on the farm, I would go perform for the cows. I was never performing. Yes. Because they would want, they would come and eat the grain, you know, when it was dinner time and they had a captive audience of dinner theater. But then my, but yeah, I never did it for their approval. Wow. I didn't feel like it mattered if they liked what I was doing or not, which is nice. Do you know what a gift that is? Yeah.

To do something and not care about what anyone else thinks. That being said, with comedy, my mom is very, and she listens to everything, is very, worried about when I go blue and has left comments on my phone about it made what did she say um could you not do that even to this day well I haven't done stand-up in a long time but back when I was like trying stuff out and I'd still if the joke was killing and it was you were using it oh yeah I was like mom you do not understand how complicated you're like I won the Andy Kaufman Award mom yeah I don't need your approval Well, but that did make me, I guess I did, because it always got in my head.

Like, and I would always try to back away from overly blue jokes unless they were killing or feel bad. I don't cuss that much. You know, like, I do keep it clean for her. Do you swear in front of her? No. And I remember one time I, at 46 years old, and I said, fuck in front of my dad. What did he say? You know what?

We were having a heat. Well, he doesn't get heated, but I was having an over, a very heated debate about abortion. Like, back when I thought I could fight, fight for it, you know, with him. He's actually, he's, he's an independent. He's an interesting guy politically. But anyways, I was like, well, fuck, you know, whatever, in his face, like, mad. And then, like, fuck you, probably. And he just, like, took it.

And then we, like, went back to our day. And it was something that I really love about my dad is that he, I can say things to him about honestly, about whatever I'm feeling, even about him. I'm like, oh, that was racist. You just said something so racist, you know, and I could tell him that and we'll be fine. Like, we'll be like it won't. Don't you wish the left and the rights were like that? Or you could just be fine with, okay, fine.

But this is what I feel. Yeah, well, I think So this is a specific Relationship that I'm talking about If you want to go there No, we don't have to go there Well, because I was just saying what I love about my dad Is that he's

Is that like, it's like, what do you call it? He loves me unconditionally. You know, like How lucky you are? I can't get under his skin. I don't think I can get under his skin. So you feel free to say whatever you want. Yeah. Okay. So for the left and the right, though, that shit, I'm worried that it's all a fabrication to make us fight about these things together that while the rich, overly rich people take all the more power.

Well, we're down here being like, blah, bra bra, bar, bar. I don't disagree. Yeah. I don't. It's a distraction. Everything's a distraction. It is. It is. It's a bigger picture. It's not abortion. It's like who's getting all the power. And they're using that to like feed into emotion to get the power to get the thing.

We're just pawns. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. But democracy is an experiment, right? So we're going through ups and downs. I'm still proud of the country sometimes. Do you still get nervous when you get nervous when you get nervous when you get,

get a role? Yes. In fact, after the COVID, I got a part, a couple parts. And I remember being like, can I act? You know, because it'd been like a year or two years, maybe more. And I reached out to like Will Forte and I'm like, could you tell me your secrets? And Melissa McCarthy, I actually asked her because she called me to like have me do like some Mabel favor for her for her daughter so then i'm like i'm gonna call her and be like what are you what are some of the things you use for i really got scared um but uh again when i get a part it's usually that something they were thinking about me for so that helps but yeah yeah sometimes i feel like when you get apart you just get an offer it's almost harder because if you audition for it and you get it yes

they like that you know what you're doing when you go into the you know into the production but sometimes they're like oh no i want you to do with this can you deliver it this it's it's and i'm malleable but like sometimes it's a little it could be weird yeah it could be weird trying to get that thing did you audition for a horny gay priest no shit no and it's funny for a good pastor you know that he can do it i could do it but you know what it was weird because I I what I imagined I think I was doing something a little different than when I imagined which can be good it wasn't exactly what I thought which could be a good thing but it wasn't exactly what I wanted to do but it was enough where I was like okay I'm good

with this but back to you but you don't really get you don't do you I mean wait what did you want to do I always like try to make things as grounded as I can okay I mean there's where I've gone over the top, but like, I like to be grounded in whatever reality that is and just real, just real. Like that, I think when I watch shows, that's what I look for. I look for, like, not just good acting, but they're playing it real. Yes. They're playing it real.

And it's so easy to just take that eyebrow up or the, oh, wink at the audience a little bit. Yeah, but it's really difficult. So that is direction, that's writing, that's gut. That's all these things. And it's rare that you get to be on a show where you could just really just act. So I think that's what I look for. And this was a little bit of an exaggeration of that. Really?

Yeah, it's me, but it's like there's a certain, did you ever see it, Ryan? Thanks for supporting me. Jesus, out. Let me ask you. Do you ever? I haven't seen it, but I want to want. No, no, no. I want to see what you're doing.

That's so big. No, it's not so big. But there's some episodes where I'm like, man, this is awesome. This is funny. This is really funny. Yeah. But what would you say you're most proud of it? All the work you've done, the one thing that you could just go, you know what?

Or maybe you love doing this the most, this part. You love it. Let's say you love everything. But you just, this is the one thing. You're like, I wish this could go forever. I don't think I've done it yet. Really? What's second?

What's second? I don't know when you're kidding. I don't know. Well, it's hard. Every job has been so different and fun, but I would say, like. There's so many things. I mean, I'm just been, like, deeply, deeply blessed to do Bob's burgers because it is going on and on. Like, it's.

The movie and the show. It's just, like, such a sense of security and a family that I, like, in real life, you know, like I've known these guys for so long now. Also, talk about unconditional love, I say terrible shit to them, and they still love me. Do you know Kirkker? Who's Kirk. Kirk, Kurt. What a great name.

I think I really know that person. I thought he worked on Bob's Burgers. Maybe he didn't. No. Oh. But if I could have something go on and on forever, maybe it would be in my 20s. Maybe it would be Penelope, Princess of Pets. Really?

I tried to... It brought you joy, didn't it? It brought me joy. And I wanted... I know, I created it with my friend Kurt, and I tried to... It was still original. And again, we were just like every idea we had. Like, talk about a subconscious David Lynchian, like, wild ride.

It was so fun. What if you could bring it back? Well, what happened was is it got picked up to be a pilot. And I was doing shows in Edinburgh and stuff and showing a clip of it. And then they wanted to make a pilot of it in the UK. because the UK has a real sense of whimsy that I have a kinship with. And so they're like, we're going to make, we want to make a pilot. And so we got, oh my gosh, Julian Barrett, who's Howard Moon from the Mighty Bush.

Have you seen the Mighty Bush? That's kind of an old school. Have you seen it, Ryan? Are you a comedy guy? Like, who are you? Are you a comedy guy? He loves comedy. He's very adapted.

You know the Mighty Bush? I know of it, but I mean, I'm a more Python. Oh, you go back, way back. Not to be confused with the Mighty Bush. Maybe you know that one. Do you know that one? No. Oh, well, it's going to be one.

If I don't take care of it. But anyways, the... Oh, okay. So then, so we were going to shoot this pilot, and we, the night before, we're in London, Kurt and I. And they, like, give us a contract, the production company. and they're like, you have to sign this or we can't shoot tomorrow and then you can't do your pilot.

And we're like, well, and Kurt was like, I think we need to show our lawyer. And he's like, well, there's no time because he's in L.A. We're in the UK. And so we signed it and they own it. And then I've tried to get it back from them. You never get it back. Do you guys understand people who are listening? It's weird.

You work on something for maybe your whole life or at least. years and then you're able to either make the pilot or sell the pilot to a network or studio and once you do that and they pay you there's a transaction they now own this and if they don't make it you'll never see it again who were the ad wizards who came up with that one they stood on it because they're afraid that if the competition gets it then they're going to and it's a hit then they're going to lose it. But why don't they just say there's a five-year thing? Anything. Something. It's not fair. I just did this and I actually got my show back to pitch again and it took 10 years. We've got it back though. I got, but they still own a piece of it if I sell it so they're not

out on it. So you could say, listen, you guys would still own it. Let them have a piece. Yeah. If I get it made. That being said, at the beginning, I said, I didn't have a pilot get made, but we did make that pilot. was it everything you wanted it to be no like when we watched it back um the pacing was really slow oh it's always pacing like there was some things they were like oh no but we were first timers yeah that's the thing you have to keep making stuff to get better at making stuff 100% i mean we i just watched weapons don't say anything i want to see it it's great and you know but this is the from like miss march you know what i mean like like he made some he just keeps making movies and learning and getting better and better and not i love that i love it when people keep going i do too i think it's i think

persistence and tenacity and like just and you know for me i felt like for a long time it was more about the end product i just want to get this done with i want to get this done with and it wasn't the work but now over the year last few years i've learned to really enjoy just the writing and just enjoy the process and um my attitudes a lot better god bless you blanche blanche is in the other room she's looking around do you ever get anxiety or depression me yeah you no uh yeah sure yeah um i because we talk about mental health in the show a lot so it's like i like to know what certain people what people do to overcome it to deal with it yes and they know it's coming yes you know that kind of stuff. I mean, it's just different phases of your, of my life. Like, especially being in this

business and like every few years is like a different chapter of stuff. Um, like when I'm working, I find that I'm, um, much better, uh, mentally because I have like, I'm busy. Um, when I'm not working, it is a real challenge. Um, I make myself busy. Like, I'll write, do stuff. Like, I'm always writing. I'm always trying to think of what to do um but like during the writer's strike and stuff i would all of a sudden i was like oh no like i'm real sad and i uh you know and also since having a baby too my anxiety has been like and that's and so i also like is this hormones like as a woman too i'm like am i going to menopause i'm 47 is this like perimenopause like i hear stories. People get patches to stop feeling so anxious and depressed. And then I got a panel done

and they're like, nope. I'm like, oh no, so I'm depressed in my head. Okay. So I went on, I tried to go on a pill and they're like, we can give you this one. I've never been on any pills before. They're like, we can give you this one. It's like the Gucci of like sad pills. I forget it was like something with the T and I got my insurance to cover it. I got on it. It made me feel weird and it gave me an anal fissure. So I was like, well, it's when your butt fractures around the end, like when you're pooping and it just like splits. So instead of a hemorrhoid, it splits.

It hurts. That's a burn. I had one. It feels like a knife is cutting into your cut. They have to stitch it. It was never that bad that you get a. cream like some sort of hardcore compound you liking this talk ryan why are you looking down yeah don't down on her you have you had an anal fissure you're right anal fissure over and over in your

notepad so then you um and then it heals on its own but it's like like pooping is just becomes so scary it's like i have to poop but it's going to hurt so so much so i said it to get off that pill and then it kind of went away then i kind of like then i went to went back to normal. Basically, what I realized is that, and this is just person, this is me. I know depression is different for everybody, but I was like, okay, I'm going to have times where I'm going to have the blues. And I'm going to have the blues and I'm going to know that luckily for me, they will lift. So if I'm, if I'm really sad for a day or two, I feel better after. And I don't need to. And I don't need to.

fix it, I just need to ride it out. Kind of accept it. Yeah, I just accept it. I'm going to have the blues. I can still get things done. I can still love on my daughter. My husband, I'm like, I have the blues and he's like, he gets it. Lay off me. Have the blues. He

gets the blues too. He's like, I have the blues day. It's a bummer. And then we have the blues and then we... What about anxiety, though? Anxiety, I definitely has ramped up in my age. I think in my late 40s I feel like even this thing I was like oh he didn't write me about the address maybe I don't go to this thing this podcast I was like this podcast is going to go away and it'll be

fine like I'm happy I do the same thing yeah and then you and then you texted me last night I was like oh my therapist I text my therapist and I said I didn't sleep at all today at all I've been up since 2 a.m. I don't think I'm going to make my appointment Thursday. He's like, well, because I just need to catch up on sleep. I don't, I, no, you could go Thursday. I canceled. You did not. I did. Okay. Oh, you should resched. I have so much going on. So I, I, but my mental health is important. It is important. But my uncle's coming in and he's a psychologist. Oh, perfect. It's really, chap into that. It's really perfect. But it's the thing about going to the event. Like, I have more anxiety, or when I was doing live shows, I had more anxiety leading up

to the live show. As soon as I'm doing the thing, doing the pot, it's gone. It's gone. It's just getting to it. I even get nervous, like, if I'm doing a live show, the first five or ten minutes, I can feel myself, oh, guys, you're going to have a panic attack, and then it's gone, and then I, woof, I'm on. Yeah. It goes away.

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So jump in and be a part of what makes inside of you special. Raj is here, our lovable friend, patron. Welcome to Inside of Us, which, by the way, you came up with. I did. You know, I try to help where I can. And I figured, you know, inside of you, for people that don't know, there's a patron special thing that we get called inside of me it's been around for such a long time and i figured this is inside of us i want to kind of make it well my perspective was that

you're talking to something like me we're talking to real people that was the whole idea the whole idea yeah the whole idea was talking to real people and i said raj if you have i think you just sent it go well if you're thinking of some names i'm like i like inside of us let's just use that see i'm i'm uh what's the word I, you know, malleable or maybe just I like ideas. I, if anybody has an idea, I'm always like happy to explore it. But look, let's talk about you. This is about you.

You live in Washington, D.C.? I live in Maryland. Maryland. Yeah, I live kind of in between Baltimore and D.C. Right. In D.C. Right. Describe it.

Yeah. And what do you do, Raj? For those of you who don't know, those that don't know. what do you do, Raj? There's another question. What do I do? I'm an IT consultant for a public accounting firm. So I do consulting stuff, which the best way to describe that is just, you know, help companies solve problems that relate to IT stuff. Is it stressful? It's super stressful, right? So I think that's one of the things, you know, and thinking about what we would have potentially talk about. Work is one of my biggest stress.

Why? So what I do, it's, and the level kind of I'm at is just one where you're managing multiple things. You're managing people and teams for specific projects. And then what I do is, you know, you work with clients, like people that are in these companies that have a problem. They don't have the people inside their companies to solve them. So they're engaging you. So you are considered sort of a specialist or an expert. expert. So there's multiple things. You're trying to manage multiple groups of people. They have a project. I think that you know all this stuff. And you're trying to manage, like, are you the person that knows this stuff? You ever drop the ball? You ever drop the ball? Oh, yeah. I mean, everybody makes mistakes. And actually, there was a time, it all kind of got resolved and figure it out. But like, one of my biggest things, and this was last year, I started my own personal therapy. I, like, before that, I did couples therapy. We can talk about that.

But like imposter syndrome was like big with me kind of everything about like two years ago and like trying to just manage that. And then I finally like talking to my wife and we kind of came to this conclusion together. I mean, me just getting her input. But I was like, I think I just need to really just start talking to somebody personally. Because I hadn't had to do that before. I felt like I had systems and tools in place like personal things. things that kind of helped me sort of manage that but it was weighing on you something it was it was it was tormenting you it was one specific project that took a long time to like get through and there

was like a lot of personalities that were hard to deal with and so that was where I really was starting to like strongly question like is this the the right thing for me like yeah what do I do here and so that when I started kind of like I found a good therapist and we set our goals and what we wanted to talk about and our recent conversations have been like she really thinks that I've kind of come to the end of like hitting some of those goals and having other things in place. So it's a good, it's a good feeling. Yeah. And I can tell you like that's a big difference in me personally. I love that. You ask me like, what do I do? Is it stressful? The answer is yes, but like right now the way I am, it's manageable stress. It doesn't like eat and weigh on me anymore.

Did the podcast help you in any way? Yeah, I mean, to go through what the podcast helped me with, I wouldn't have done that. I don't know, right? The podcast, like, backing up with my story is what really got me to think about couples therapy. And there wasn't anything wrong in my relationship with my wife. But together, it was during the pandemic and we were like, maybe this is something we should do just to like learn more about each other. And that was because of the podcast, right? I started listening in 2018, I want to say.

And I, you know, it started with like a Smallville week, I think you were doing at that time. Yeah. So then I got into it. And that's when I kind of went back. Because I think it was probably, probably John Glover, where I kind of saw how you were sort of talking to people. But that's when I went back.

And I started listening to all the other episodes. And I think it was Jennifer Love Hewitt that stuck out as like, the big one from your early episodes. And then you did the In Love Podcast. That was the bigger one for me personally. With Chris Sullivan, yeah. Went on this whole thing of, let's just do couples therapy,

just to be more preventative about stuff. So that all kind of plays into what I'm just talking about with, like work and stuff. I don't know if that journey leads to like feeling comfortable on, you know, finding a therapist, going to personal therapy, coming and talking to you about it like who knows like if we had gotten to this point without

you know going back and so that's i think the periphery i think you know if you're you're from you know the midwest where a lot of my none of my friends get therapy and you know where they where i'm from but i think your surroundings have a lot to do with it if you're talking to people and they're saying you know i went to a therapist and it actually really helped me or i got in this medication. It really helped. I started doing this and it helped. If you're not hearing those things, you probably won't try, you won't do them. What the hell's going on to? But so it's like, I never thought this podcast would be a, you know, about a mental health aspect. And it kind of turned into it because it was, I think what I was craving, what I needed was to hear about other

people's problems too and see that we're all human and we all have things and how do you fix them and what i found was a lot of people many people do many different things and so i i usually write them down after an episode or you'll hear me say ryan write that down because i want to try it i'm like oh they do this for this back pain or they do this this really help them um and so it's you know, and then just talking about myself and being honest and as open as I can. And I'm still closed off about a lot of things, but I'm definitely more open than I used to be. So I'm glad that, you know, the podcast helped in some way and that you're managing things because that's what it's about. It's about stress management, right? It's about, hey, I have this issue. I'm not feeling a certain way and I don't like it.

Well, what do I do? Do I just sit in it and it will go away? Well, probably not if it's eating at your brain and your stomach and you're you know if you're feeling this it's in you're feeling this anxiety it's like all right this has to go away i don't have the tools to do this i need someone to help me so right that's that's great that you've done that what else do you do for for uh mental health or you know physical health what do you do what helps you do you go for a run do you do something with your wife uh you sex it up what's going on rosh well i'm on medication so i take i I have ADHD, and I think a lot of that was what kind of came out of that personal therapy. It's like, well, you know, going through some of those things, it sounds like those behaviors

are ones that are just struggling with attention and stuff, and it's one of those things that you just don't think about it. I know it's kind of, it's much more in the, in the conversation now, but I did medication for it, and I meet with a, I go through med management sessions every month. Is it the right stuff? Does it the dosage seem right? So that in combination with, like for me, like with all the work stuff, it's like it's like lists, calendar, like all of that like organizational tools.

Yeah. Yeah. You got like, like for me, like if you don't do that, you have to, I'll lose track of things. So that's kind of like the work stuff that we, I talked with my therapist about. And then help. Like I don't think like with work. and sometimes traveling and and kind of moving around or like sitting at a computer for a long time,

you don't focus on health. And so as I was trying to like figure out the work stuff, I was like, you know, I'm really not focused on health. So like now that I've kind of gotten some of these things in place for my own organization, I am now feeling like I can,

I've incorporated help into it a lot. So like exercising, eating right, because I'm sleeping, right? Like making sure like I get the right amount. of sleep and tracking my sleep like those are the things that i that i do i do like tracking i know i i don't know why this i thought about this but i think i punish myself i think a lot of times

we punish ourselves by you know we have a feeling of like you know i've talked about this but maybe you're not sleeping well but if you really looked at it and dissected why you're not sleeping well and the kind of movies you're watching before or you're on your phone or your phones charged in next to you like they say is not a good idea or you're eating before like loads of popcorn and you wake up feeling like shit and you continue to do that you're not going to change your sleeping is going to be shit and continue to be shit but unless you do something about it and that goes with your mental health that goes with everything it's like you you have to take a step in the right direction And that's why I always talk about like, you know, waking up and I, you know, not to promote it again, but like age you one.

I'm like, start with a healthy routine. Like do this. Mix water and vitamins and drink it and say, hey, I started with that. Maybe take a 10 minute walk. It's not like, you know, you have to, yeah. So that's what I think that's that's that was one of the big things that I kind of work through. I think with me and like weight and like health, which is not unique to me. It's like everybody with yo-yo, I yo-yo a lot.

So I will, like, be super focused and I'll be on, like, some crazy diet, like, you know, jump into keto and, like, be on keto for three months and then you lose, like, a bunch of weight and you work out hard. But then what is that transition plan? And I think I did that a lot, like, growing up. And then, like, working out. Like, for me, working out was a lot of, like, I have to have 30 to 60 minutes dedicated to it.

It's going to be cardio warm up. It's going to be like lifting. It's going to be a heavy lift. And, you know, like now with the way like life is and kids and a family and work and like balance and all that. Yeah. You, you have to be able to forgive yourself, right? 10 minutes of something is better than nothing.

Yes. Don't think that like I don't have 30 minutes now. Like, so I do that. For instance, like I'm on a workcation. I'm in Orlando right now. This is something that now I've figured out how to manage, right? I would feel so uncomfortable having to, like, do some work and then try to be on vacation. I'd be like, I have to be home to do this.

But, like, now I'm at a point where we're on vacation, we're doing things at parks. But I'll wake up earlier and just walk around, right? Do it for yourself. I think that's the best advice I think you've given is we're worried about our wife. We're worried about her son. We're worried about work. We're worried about everything else except ourselves. And so if you don't take that time for yourself, you're hurting everything else because you're less of a person, not less of a person, but you have less energy.

You have less, you have more anxiety. You're tired. So I think that's really important. And like I always say at the end of every episode, be good to yourself. And that's sort of what I mean. It's like, hey, you know, you don't have to work out every day and this and I have to do this and this diet and kill this, not do this. and not just start out with a nice walk every day five 10 minutes and work your way up and have something healthy to eat and go hey yeah because what it is is your perspective at the end of the day

you're like you know what i ate well today and i went for a little walk that's a that's a success those are successes and so i think that's really important look raj you're amazing i love having you here you've always been such a huge supporter i'm going to see you in chicago i hope that's right i'm to see you on the cruise next year in 20206 i'm trying to make that work if you just do it you can again take care of yourself take care of your family if you can do it you do it if not i have no doubt that i'm going to see you keep texting me things to watch and uh i adore you give love to the wife and child for me and uh thanks for being here of course thanks rosy shit talking with Chris and Shaw. This is a rapid fire. I already talked shit with my anal fissure.

You did. I love that you talked about that. That's really exciting. The way you said that, tells me it wasn't. No, it was. That's real exciting. That's really exciting. Oh, my friend Harland, he's a Canadian. I know Harlan. I know of him. Harlan once had a manager who had no emotion, I guess, after years in the business, he just didn't laugh. He didn't do anything. So Harlan pitches hilarious show and he's laughing he's pitching it and his manager just looks at him goes I'm on the floor and how he goes he didn't like it goes no I'm on the floor I like it so much I'm on the floor oh you know what I've noticed the youth doing to me is when they're trying to move along and they're they're like you say something and they just go

dying I'm dying I'm dying I'm dying dying because it's a way to like sort of dismiss like I think we're playing but then they're done playing and they just want you to shut up so they're like dying I'm dying have you has that happened to you right well it's you know with friends and stuff she's just giving Ryan a hard time today okay shit talking is he in the podcast at all are you going to cut out all the Ryan bits no I'll say Ryan you can have Ryan he just you don't see him but you see him in the wide shot also before this goes who listens to this um my sister her friend janet um my girlfriend occasionally no no it's a good it's a good listen i've almost interviewed 400 people and the podcast westwood one produces it so it's it's going and it continues

to go that's good and we've got a good audience and it's i just wonder if it's like a lot of truckers like go like drive them back and forth no it's just i think people who know that that they're going to learn someone about someone new and they're going to maybe get a glimpse into who they are and what makes them tick and facing adversity and mental health and all that stuff. So these are the patrons, top tiers. They get to ask questions. Rapid fire. Sorry, you're trying to end this. No, I always. I'm not. I'm not trying to end it. I know you have to leave. Don't you have to leave? Because my daughter, we got her and doctors, but you know what? I'm having so much fun. Oh good. It's hot in here, but I like it. Can you open that door? No, what? It's the coffee.

It's the coffee. Take another, I bet the third step's a charm. I have, it's cooled down to my liking. Yeah. Finally, 40 minutes in. Okay. Are you ever going to get married? I don't know. If I'm not going to have kids, why get married? But, but, but I don't know. Maybe one day I'll just be like, holy shit, man. Let's just get married. Let's just fucking do it with some. I don't know. I'm not, I'm going to go. Top tier patrons. Here's the question's rapid fire. Nathan P. says, favorite cast member moment while on Last Man on Earth. Oh, my gosh. Well, okay, just to say every cast member on that show is dear to me. Mary Steen Virgin is my kid's godmother.

I love everyone. But one of the things that I treasured the most was in the pilot when it got to be just me and Will Forte together because that was like. The cow stuff. So unusual. He did this thing whenever we had to do a sex scene together because I couldn't move either because it was on prime time. So I had to sit on top of him and just make animal noises. But he would do this thing where he would say he's like, first of all, he would come through the hair and makeup trailer eating every time onion garlic omelet.

How respectful. Well, you know, and then he would, I would go and I would mount him. Yes. And he would say, hello, Miss Blumquist, which is my husband's last name. Oh, my God. Again, respectful. Dude, that's cute. Yeah, I know.

He's great. Little Lisa says, what's your biggest fear? What's my biggest fear? Ooh, that's a good one. That's a really good one. So, again, for the mental health stuff, it's really hard, I think, in this day and age, my biggest fear is that right now is things that don't happen. I think fears are things that haven't happened yet that you're imagining. 90% of them.

So, like, you know, and I think especially now they're saying, America's going to end as we know it, the environment where there's going to be. climate refugees. Everybody moved to Michigan. My mom and dad, they're going to get really stick. I've got to figure it out now. The unknown. Yeah. The unknown. And so I try to just stay in the moment. But I will say a big fear is iPhones. I feel like they are taking my time away. They're taking my brain out of me. Joy. Yes. Yes. Connection. Connection. A hundred percent agree with you. It's bad.

I wish they never existed. Me too. Me too. I really do. I know they're great in a lot of ways, but like. It's, and I can't shake. I'm like, I'm going to get rid of my iPhone. We're addicted to our phones.

Yes. I feel like phones are this generation's cigarettes before they came out with the fact that cigarettes were going to kill you. These are killing you in a different way. They are. They're killing your brain. Yep. They're making you not get up and exercise. they're making you worry.

They're giving you anxiety. They're making depressed because you're thinking about, oh, this person has the perfect life and look at this and they're doing all these things. What am I doing? And I look at it without knowing. Like I'm like, oh, let me see what's on the calendar. And then like seven minutes I look up and I'm like,

I was just scrolling Instagram. And I didn't even, that's not. For an hour. And I didn't even know why it's scary. So I don't let my daughter have any access to screens except for TV. And then I also only. you let her use an iPad when we're on an airplane.

But I think when I see and I went to Hawaii last week, not to brag, I got to go to Hawaii. You're bragging. And I got to go to Cannon Beach, which was so beautiful. It's two hours outside of Portland. It's where that scene in Goonies was shot with Haystack Rock. Oh, yeah. Highly recommend. And I'm walking along the beach and this little girl is walking towards me looking at her iPhone.

I've been to Disneyland and seen little kids in their stroller, four or five-year-olds, looking at their iPhones. Like, this isn't enough? Like, this isn't enough? In Hawaii, kids looking at their iPhones. You just nailed it. What made me think of what you're just saying right now, made me think, no matter where you are, if you're on your phone, the other person feels like, I guess I'm not important enough. I'm not interesting enough. what we're what where we are isn't interesting enough isn't it's you know what I mean it's crazy

it's sad you just made me sad well that's my fear for that's a good fear uh if you can remember leanne says if you could be remembered for one thing who would you want that to be what would you want that to be oh um that i made someone them or someone they know smile do a lot of people recognize you do they come up to you a lot you know you Yeah, it depends on the day, you know, but it's been pretty regular. Do you like it? I do like it because I think that when they come up to me, it's usually for the animated stuff I've done. So that all-

BoJack Horseman. Oh, what, BoJack's so good. Bob's Burger, The Simpsons. One episode of the series. But still, that episode is important because they misspelled your name. That's right. And then on the next episode, they put on the chalkboard her correct. spelling of her name. Yes. That is like, that's, that's legendary. Yeah, I know. It's special.

That is so cool. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, you've done a Toy Story four. And three. And three. I mean, you worked on your own. You didn't work with the other actors, right? No, I got to meet Tom Hanks once, like in passing at like a press event. And that was fun. Have you met him? Yeah, I auditioned for him. Is he your dad? Is that what you said? Yeah. Wait, what did you audition for? Band of Brothers. It was a third callback with him and Spielberg. Dude, sorry. And I was on another show, and they didn't want any of the actors to be on shows that they were, like, on.

We had to have free commitments, and our show wouldn't even let me do it. So I went in there and met Hanks and had the best time in Spielberg and, and oh, for not. It wasn't for not? Yeah. No, it was great. You have a memory? I have a memory. Jen T, if there was a cartoon made about your life,

whose voice would you cast to portray you? No, no, I know this. Someone has my voice. I forget. Someone could do you? I think so. Definitely, because I did it. I remember someone did a sound alike for me for a couple commercials,

and I'm just like, oh, let me have funny. Yeah, you fucks. But that's okay. You know what anybody, no, you know what would be fun is if, like, Morgan, Freeman did me. Oh, can I do it? I remember the time. That's good.

When I was growing up on the ranch and I was playing with my toys and doing the Wizard of Oz and well, only the cows are watching. Oh, you're doing me? I was like, what is it? That's good. He's in our house all the time because my daughter watches the nature, the planet.

He could say anything. He could do the voice of a horror movie, the most ferociously original horror film of the year. Oh, yeah, that's really good, Michael. Thank you. Thank you. I do a lot of voices. I don't get cast as much.

You don't do animation? I do animation, but it's been a, I'm up for a lot of things, but I haven't really, I was the voice of the Flash and the Justice League. But, yeah, I haven't done, I did a ton of animation for years. And then I was acting, live action. Yeah. So I kind of pushed it to the side, and now I'm trying to get back in. And that was a mistake. Yeah.

Because once you're kind of like, you're like, ah, you know, not doing them. So someone's stepping in to do them. Yeah. So I want to get back into it. I'm, you know, I'm available. You know, this is awesome to have you here. I really, it was so easy to talk to you. I felt like we could just talk about, we didn't even talk about flight of the concourse.

How was that? Oh. 21 episodes of that. Was that improv constantly? No, a lot, you know, nothing's really improv. There are some beats and moments that I could throw in. Who made you laugh always? Nobody.

No one could break you? No. Nobody can break me. No one actor can make, break you. Even with like, you know, like an armpit fart, nothing. No. I can't say something really funny right now. Well, we're in a moment of where we're not in a scene.

It's forced. But like you, but you don't break. Yeah, I, this, I mean, I really don't. because there was um if i i to play these to ground myself i like to be grounded in comedies too and i and i that's all i do but like everything's very real for the character yeah yeah no you're right so i would never think anything that was happening was funny and my hope is that makes my performance funnier but i bet you break people on their laugh like i like i've seen so many good moments funny fucking things where people just break in this that they can't use and i'm like fuck you i get it they're funny

but like you break anybody do people make the break they break by your funniness probably not i'm not that fun everybody hates me on set hey by the way but i will see there was this one moment though that i i do remember one time and last man on earth i we were all sitting silently and just like at the beginning of this podcast my stomach did something so loud You laughed. I laughed at that. And then the second break was on what we do in the shadows. Oh, so funny.

It's so funny. Great role. Yeah. There was a wedding there, some wedding thing where I was asking a question and Harvey Guillen was holding the mic and I had like a hair nut. And I could just, as I was saying it, I just caught on with this peripheral that he had the hair nut stuck in his mouth and he was trying to like, like move it. And you laughed?

And I laughed. So Harvey Gehan. I love Harvey. He was on. He was in the pod? He's great. Was he in the pod? Yeah.

Those guys are so funny. What's the one guy's name who always appears to be an asshole? I mean. They all seem really not. No, no, you know, he's really, he's English. They're all English. No, he's like, he's like, well, this is. You might be talking about Matt Barry.

Matt Barry. He's a musician. He's hysterical. No, he, everybody got Barry fever from what we do in the shadows and well deserved. Like, everyone. Dude, he is, he just making. makes me laugh. They all do.

They're all funny. We're a great thing to be a part of it. Got nominated for an Emmy. Yeah. So I'm going to go to the Emmys and I'm going to see the kid from that long, one shot, long shot show probably. Oh, my God. Forget what is. Adolescence.

Oh, my God. Have you seen adolescence? I saw the first episode. I was kind of bored, but I need to give it another chance. Oh, yeah. It just was so slow. Yeah. It's just like he's in the car for 30 minutes getting to the police station.

I'm like, all right, we get it. Wow. But it's a oneer. It's a oneer. I know. I'm hard. I'm hard. I know.

It's tough for me, but I'm going to give it another chance. No, you need to watch Detroiters. Okay, Detroiters. Did you watch the pit? People love the pit. I'm not going to watch it. Okay. I don't like hospital stuff.

You don't watch reality stuff either. Reality out. Hospital out. Squid game? I watched season one. Awesome. A little too violent for me, but I enjoyed the premise. You like horror movies?

The only one I watched was, weapons. I might watch barbarians. Barbarian, I love the first half more than anything. And the second half just becomes a different movie. But I still liked it. I think, you know. Yeah, I don't like horror movies. I don't like anything that feels stressful. Well, I'm not going to call you for casting because I'm writing a lot of horror movies. Are you? Yeah. That's probably the genre you should be fucking around with because they're the only things getting made. I do love my horror. You say horror or horror? Horror. I remember in Macbeth, I was doing Macbeth in college and one of the actors like the horror the horror it's such an unpleasant tricky word yeah say it Ryan

horror that's awful that's terrible go ahead horror it almost sounds like you're like almost Vincent Price you're like horror it's the worst word it's a horror it's like a horrifying word it's like a horrifying word it is it is um this has been a tree who's your favorite actress or actor i hope your horror movies are funny um no when you see weapons you'll see the part that i'm so jealous of okay don't say anything ride a part like that for me and i'll say yeah who's your who's your favorite who's your favorite actor you think whoa who wrote that question nobody i just want to know like who who is somebody you like just look up to or like want to not emulate but you know probably michael Rosenbaum.

You're such a lying, bitch. It's true. You are. You can't even be serious for like a minute. There's so many good ones. Merrill Streep. No, I mean, I love her. I watch her and everything.

Kristen Whig. Kristen Wig is so good. She is precise and funny and surprising and wonderful. Mm-hmm. I couldn't really say who a favorite, favorite is, though. All right. Top three movies or three of the one of your most favorite movies. Three favorites.

Okay. I guess what I would say is, do they really? I'm on the floor. Because they keep changing, but I'll always go back to waiting for Guffman. Yummy. You're speaking, I can't hear you. Waiting for Guffman. Now you're too loud.

By the way. Remember that? ran into Parker Posey at that thing we were at. Yeah, she was sweet. She was sweet. Do you remember that scene, though, and waiting for Guffman? When she's playing with the chicken lights? No, he's talking to her.

He's like, he's like, I don't know. He's like, I can't hear you. You're talking too loud. He's like, what I was saying, now you're too loud. Yeah. Yeah. He's so good. Oh, that's so good.

I don't really know. Like, I watched your dancing over and over as a kid. That's great. I don't know if it's my favorite. Or like Romeo and Juliet, it's really good, too. but I oh god I feel like I have such dumb vanilla movie no I feel like you'd be a real tough credit with scripts like if I wrote something I'd be scared like yeah you're the kind of person I attended to and I go ooh I don't know you know you know what you're right and guess what

guess who that hurts the most who myself why as a writer because I um I'm judging myself that hard and then I'll like get a little bit into it I'll be like this is fucking shit Like when I first have the idea, I am like high as a kite. It's the best high I'll have better than like a couple drinks. I'm like, oh, my God, this is so fun. This is like, this is going to be so good. I can see it already. Who was going to be in it?

Oh, my God. It's a big hit. And then I started to write it. And then I'm like, yeah, shit. The other night I couldn't sleep. It was another night I couldn't sleep. And it was 4 a.m. And I went down on this idea I had.

I go, I'm going to start writing at 4 a.m. and I wrote the first seven pages, and I go, this is fucking funny. This is a great start. And I don't know where to go now. I have no idea. Okay. I just, I'm kind of right there and I'm like, what's the best? So I'm just kind of stuck, but like that, or I will write five pages and then the next

day read it and go, awful, delete. Yeah. Gone. Have you reread the seven, the four a.m. seven pages? I haven't Okay It might be awful It might be awful

But I was listening to an interview Of Zach Krieger from weapons Really got I'm not kind of I just saw weapons Yeah we're aware And he wrote Seven pages

He didn't know where it's going He just started writing this thing Like you Like you know And then he said he wrote 70 pages Like he had a hook at the beginning And then he wrote 70 pages And then stopped and realized

What is this? because I had the question at the beginning, but he didn't have the answer. And then, um, oh, that's, yeah. And then it came to him later, but he wasn't sure at first. Do you know what, though? My thing is, I don't know the, the guy in mine doesn't have the answer. And the guy I'm writing is me and I don't have the answer. What's the question?

It's slice of life of a guy trying to figure himself out. with this little twist but like will he ever figure it out and that's the question for me what's he trying to figure out purpose life like really like oh god so specific no but what makes him like like he i'm not gonna i'll tell you it later i'll tell you later there's there's more too are you worried that someone's gonna steal it well someone will write it for me and i'm like i wrote this for you based on what you said that that's your fan base no no no my fan base is rocked They're cool. They're a lot smarter than I am, that's for sure.

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