Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Kristian Nairn

Episode Date: April 2, 2019

Kristian Nairn (Game of Thrones, Ripper Street, Robin Hood) opens up about being bullied in school for his size, how close he has always been with his mother, and how much anxiety he gets over the thought of losing her. Kristian discusses his back problems from carrying Bran all the time, taking two weeks to shoot the infamous Hodor scene, and what he has planned next for his career. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum, my good friend, Rob Hollis, sitting next to me, or a cross from me. Yeah, across. It would be even more accurate. Rob, how's it going, man? It's going great, except there's some loud leaf blower. Yeah, they're blowing things in my backyard. In your huge backyard. You know what happens. You're like two acres back there, right?

No. Two acres of the hill? I don't know what an acre is. How big is an acre? It's large. Well, is that an acre? Yeah. I mean, your estate is so large.

state well the guest house is like a like an acre back that way I don't have a guest house and if I did Rob would never live there hey by the way I want to say thank you everybody I do this occasionally thanks for subscribing if you're not subscribed to the show this is a free show we need your support we need the reviews we need the subscription if you really love it and you like every episode or most episodes it really helps take your wife's phone take your friend's phone make them subscribe make them listen yeah they have to listen to make them listen to the show and that's usually what happens when people listen they say wow i stumbled upon the show and that means a lot but we need more listeners i think we're uh we just

want to get bigger and so more people can hear us and we could uh keep doing these shows for free so thank you guys again thank you for uh subscribing and writing review it really does help us are you excited about what starts in like a week and uh yes game of thrones uh you know by the way i'm going to be in calgary check my twitter or Instagram. Celebrating Game of Thrones. Well, I'm doing some conventions so you can check me out doing some conventions in one of your cities.

I think I'm doing Calgary, Toronto, Boston, Orlando, Dallas, a bunch of stuff. I'm also going to Australia in the summer. So I want to know that, but yes, Game of Thrones is here, folks. It's right around the corner. In fact, we have a guest today that is, you know, one of my favorite characters on the show. We're delighted to have Christian Nairn, Hodor. Hodor. I mean, if you haven't watched Game of Thrones, man. Hodor. I'm not going to give it away, but probably if you're listening to this, you know Game of Thrones. Anyway, Christian Aaron, he's a fantastic DJ. He DJs all over the world. That's really his profession. He, you know, I don't know. I'm not sure you'll listen to it, but that he wanted to be an actor, Rob. Did you gather that? I think that he loves being a DJ. He likes acting, but like he loves music. He loves entertaining people. He DJs in front of thousands of people. It's a very successful DJ. He's got a lot to talk.

talked about. He holds no secrets. He talks about his mother and how close they were and how she saved him. And my mother made me dysfunctional. So anyway, let's get inside of Hodor, Christian Nairn. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Dude, listen, I fart, I burp, I'm a dude, I don't, you know, you can do anything. You could put your gum on the table, it just doesn't matter. That's a dangerous thing to say to me. Are you kind of like that, too?

I'm terrible. I'm the most disorganized person you ever meet. I destroy places. I destroy everything. do you mean you destroy everything sorry for eating with our mouths open but tough shit we're hungry i am so untidy to the degree of chaos does it drive people crazy it tries me crazy then why do you do it i don't know um i put it down to artistic temperament are you uh that's the worst are you a hoarder i'm several shades away from hoarding but i am in that

spectrum oh my god this is such a treat to have you on the show thank you man that's good to be here You know, Christian Nairn, is that correct? That's exactly right. Christian Nairn. Nairn. I know a couple Irish words, gobshite. It's actually Scottish. Scottish?

Well, then I don't know a few Scottish words. Gobshite. Scottish? No, that is Irish. Definitely Irish. Nairn is Scottish. Nairn is Scottish. But you're from Ireland, but your name's...

I'm half Scottish, half Irish. Well, you have a little British in you? Controversially. Yeah, I'm from North... I mean, it's such a small place. Right. You know, do we need two separate governments? Do we need two currencies?

do we need everyone fighting over everything? And it's mostly over what? Religion. I don't know if it is anymore. I just think it's... What is it then? Tradition. Tradition.

Yeah, I mean, they're not religious people who fight. We were talking... It's more gangsterism. Really? I think. You have a lot of tattoos. I do. I mean, you're a tough guy.

I'm not tough. Are you not tough? Well, in some ways. Did you have a tough childhood? Parentally, no. I had a very sheltered childhood, actually. but how deep will we go in here? We can go as deep as you want.

This is called, by the way, thank you Christian Nairn for allowing me to be inside of you today. You're very welcome. And this is, it's important.

Look, for me, it's like I always want to know what makes a person's tick. Yeah. You know, and I look at you and I'm like, I've seen this lovable guy. I met in London at a Comic-Con

and we sat at a table and we had some laughs and I just felt a nice warm spirit that you are. And so I'm like, okay, but I wonder what, you know, that's,

when I pick my guests, I'm always like, I'm curious as to where they come from, how they became who they are, and where they're going, and then we sort of, everything in between. Okay. So I see all these tats and I see this big guy who's just the warm heart, who's extremely talented. And I think, all right, what went on growing up? Well, I was always three or four years taller than anyone I knew as I was growing up. And I don't feel like I looked like an average person.

And the time I was growing up in Ireland, people were very, sort of insular to anything that was different and it was difficult. It was hard. I mean, at one stage when I was a teenager, I was basically a recluse because of comments I would constantly get, you know, which is stuff that I've dealt with over the years and I've actually used to my advantage now. But at the time, it was definitely very character forming. That's for sure. Yeah. I can definitely laugh about it these days. but you have to acknowledge it's still in there. Yeah, I couldn't even imagine,

because I was picked on for the opposite reason. I was a smallest kid in high school. So I just was, you know, I wouldn't say I was bullied a ton, but were you bullied as a big guy? No, I never let myself get bullied, but... What do you mean you never let yourself get bullied? Does that mean you fought back?

Well, I mean, it was never a physical bullying because they were never brave enough really to take it to that level. Well, there you go. You know what I mean? Yeah. But it was more sort of verbal stuff. But I never really saw myself as a victim I had my music which I threw myself into

And that sort of, it produced something positive And what age was that when you found music? Oh God, mom had me playing piano at like four years old Try to get the air conditioner on here Mom had you playing the piano four years See, I didn't know this whole this talent This like the music because you came in First of all you missed my house

Yes, I did I went through a construction site You were there construction site You're like, well how the fuck is it going to do a podcast here? I mean, there's just a bunch of guys working on shit And I go, uh, Christian And you're like, oh, shit And you had this big guitar with you

I did I did so I'm like, oh, is he going to play? I didn't know who he's going to play? Is he going to play a song for us today? What kind of music do you play, by the way? I'm into heavy metal on the guitar I'm definitely a metler Heavy metal

Yeah So are you a finger plucker like It's like whittling We call it. Whittling? Weddling? Weddle. Weddle?

Whiddle? With daze. Right? Yeah. So you can, like, plug in to an amp and just... Or shredding. I think we called shredding these days. That's what we call it.

And you can shred. I can shred. So if you turn on this amp right now, I almost want you. You don't even have to sing if you just went, just a lick. A lick. Sometime. A lick. Isn't that what they call it?

Okay. We can do it afterwards if you want. We can give it a go. I mean, I got amps and shit. Maybe we'll do that. Maybe we'll hear you. We'll see how you feel. Yeah.

So music at a young age, your mom gave you a piano. Was she musically inclined? It's in my family. Mom's not into music, really, but she... saw an affinity for it in me, and she wanted to sort of nurture that and made sure I knew the basics on the foundation. I never liked piano. Piano was never for me, but it's a really good foundation. And did you learn music, like reading music? Yeah. So by what age could you read music? Oh, I mean, learning the piano, you learn right away. I went to classes with a music teacher

and stuff, and she taught me right from the get-go. Really? Read music, yeah. However, I can't read on the guitar because I learned guitar by ear. Right. Which is better, I think. So you can play, you can hear something and play it? Well, not right away, but yeah. So you can pick up a song within a couple of minutes. You're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

See, that's a gift. But not on the piano. But not on the piano? No, because I learned with sheet music. You know what I mean? And it was all very sort of regimented. Right. I never learned by ear on the piano.

So you were, I think your mom probably, I'm speculating, but your mom assumed that, hey, he's having a difficult time and she wants to, wanted to embrace your needs and your desires and you're more more of a she wanted to help you escape I think yeah perhaps yeah I mean I was I was an only child and stuff and I don't have any brother I don't have any brothers or sisters so nobody really to turn to did you have friends oh yeah you had a lot of friends I wasn't like the like the isolated kid I always had good friends were they kids that were picked on too um I'm thinking back now not really just you so they'd be around when I went to school there were 26 people in my entire school

26 people in your entire school yeah and how many did you like that's the question oh dear me chances of them listening to this quite low five i'm gonna go with maybe five yeah five and not very many and how many would you say treated you poorly that you can remember them calling you a name do you know what it wasn't really in school it was outside school it was in sort of social social Social, like, situations. Yeah, yeah, yeah, school. I went to quite good skills. Mom's not many really good skills.

Like, good school is like you're a smart guy, obviously. You're educated. Well, I didn't come out with a very good, I was more into, I didn't come out with like a really good. Score or whatever. Yeah. But I was more into music and artistic stuff. You're a thinker, aren't you? Yeah.

You've always been a thinker. I've always been a thinker, yeah. How did you know this? I'm just kind of observing. I just, so wait, when you talk about mom, what about dad? I've never met him he left before I was born Wow and so that you've never heard from him

You've never had a desire to go search for him By the time I had a desire to find him I had sort of I kind of thought to myself My mom did such a good job of raising me Yeah Like I'm 1415 now Do I really need him

You know and I just thought Yeah I just didn't want in any way Sort of slight my mom Or complicate I think it's a desire She never stopped me she never she said if you want to do it do it you know i'll support you or not that's amazing because my i remember my um brother and sister for my mom's first marriage they would uh you know they would reach out every once in a while to this low life guy who just i mean at least they in my mother's eyes he was a low

life and then even to my brother and sister they would say these horrible things but then there's that desire to have a connection with someone who sort of abandoned them and so then of course my mother would get really upset and there'd be like all this you know so it's a tough situation but it never happened so you never happened on you know mom was never like that she said there wasn't any sort of big bust-ups or it didn't really he just he just they didn't get on so they separated and he just never bothered how old were you oh i was before i was before before i was born oh so she was pregnant with you yeah she's okay and did she meet another guy come along and no mom's been kind of single for 42 years 42 years 42 years

Is that true? Well, she did have a boyfriend for a while. But mom's, well, I'm very like my mother. Private? She is very private. She is very private. She likes her own space. And I think she finds it difficult to meet people that way.

So maybe she, uh, maybe she just, uh, was talking to some dudes on the side. Didn't tell you about it. Is that possible? Anything's possible, man. Is she a quiet woman? She's just sort of quiet reserved. Does she tell you how it is? Oh, very much so.

She is very direct. Um, yeah i'm still kind of terrified over in some ways really yeah i mean it's amazing she's the most amazing moment i've ever met you know but that's the typical gay guy talking about his mother you know we all do that is that right oh yeah but usually it's negative isn't it no gay guy old gay guys like their mothers is that what you're saying that's a stereotype oh god whatever but i'm i don't know what to say to that i don't either rob you get along with your mom yeah you do You guys get along well

Not when I was growing up But now we do Yeah she drugged him up a little bit Well she gave him She thought he was depressed Then he wasn't And then you know It was it

She didn't do it maliciously Correct Yeah Put into my food So you call your mother You're excited When she's calling You see her name on the ID Rob

And you're like Oh it's Mrs. Hollis I'm gonna answer this I mean it's a little different Because we've got Calvin now So He's 29 years old The guy's got a kid

He's married 30 It's different Because we'd call her up To talk to Calvin Yeah. I have a weird situation because I've talked about a little bit, not in a while, but I've gone to enough therapy where my, you know, I talk about how crazy my family is and my mother, she's crazy and all these things. And then my therapist looks at me, Christian, he says, you thinking that you can change her is crazy. It's way crazier than she'll ever be for you to think she will change for you or change for anyone or herself. And it really, it landed. It just hit home, and I was like, you know, it's true. And you can't really change people.

No. You know, so for me, it's like, I, look, I love my mother. If something happened to her, it'd be horrible. But when I see her name on the caller ID, Rob, I immediately say decline. I don't want to, I'll talk to her here and there. I feel I'm good to her, but I find, uh, I'm getting, Is your anxiety when she calls? It gives me anxiety and I feel like I, I just resent things and I try not to resent things,

but I'm just like, God, if you could just do this, and that, again, is making her. not going to change. But I'm like, if you could just stop doing that. But you, thank God, you were picked on as a kid. Your dad wasn't there, but you had this beautiful role model. Because if your mother wasn't a good role model, she was shite, gobshite. What's gobshite mean? Asshole. Yeah. She was an asshole. She was a gobs shite. Then I think you'd be fucked. Yeah, I think you'd be fucked. Things would have been different. Very much so. What do you think would have happened if she wasn't around?

God, that's going right back to the route of things. I'd definitely be a very different person. Yeah, I'm quite a direct person myself. I'm quite honest about stuff and I definitely get that from her. So I think I would hide things more. And that's one thing I have more progression than my mother. She doesn't deal with things in the way I do, which I help her with now. I can sort of put things on the table and talk about them more of a mom be like,

just leave it there really yeah you know i think about that i hear about you know think about you know whenever you came out if you probably if you couldn't do that with your mom you probably did it with your mom right you probably told her yeah and if you didn't have that i mean it's nice that you can confide in someone yeah it is especially in ireland it seems like it wouldn't be as easy as i mean the only time i get anxiety when she calls it's because she's the only person in the world who can look at my we sort of face time and she's the only person who can look at me directly I know that I'm talking shit You know

She'd be like You're lying You know You just say you know I'm trying to cover something Immediately like about what My mom looks after my mom's an accountant She looks after my money

She's my money person Whoa whoa Yeah I know If that happened We'd be doing this podcast At your house Because my mother would have

Every cent And I would have I would be bankrupt Yeah You trust your mother Wow I mean She was there for you

I mean it's an alien prospect Not to trust her 100% because she's the only person I believe I can't trust. So you're getting these big checks I mean it's HBO so they're probably not that big. Well I'm dead mom I don't know if you've heard but I don't get checks anymore for HBO

Well no I'm saying you were getting these checks And you were sending them and she's like I wish I could do a really good Irish accent Me too Well Christian Folks sake this is the biggest check I've ever had What do we could buy a whole slew of houses Sheep stealing hoorin bastard

Where'd you get this money sweet Jesus I mean did so did she call you was like holy shit you're making money well I mean it was I'm also maybe with my chaotic personality I am not good with money it burns me yeah because you pulled up here in a really fancy like truck I go for the I'm not going to be a Prius man I go for the Uber X but you don't fit in a Prius well yeah you know I can sort of put that down to being told right but yeah I I couldn't spend money like it's water and she she kind of puts the brakes on me and I hate that but I'm really glad she does did you really need what would she say did you really encrusted fucking I think with diamonds on it you buy a lot of diamonds

well not diamonds but I do like jewelry like you but you spend a lot of money you go out you like to shop I do like to shop you and I would get along I do like to shop I love it but I like t-shirts and shoes and things sort of way yeah sneakers I mean nice kicks how much shoes you have 100 more 200 pairs more three I want you to talk to my assistant, Jess, upstairs, because she bitches at me because I have 20. I just threw out 27 trash bags for the clothes, which I'd never worn,

and I still don't have enough room for everything. And these are purchase things or things that you got free? Combination. I'll say a combination. Right, right, right. I mean, I just got too much stuff to wear. And I'm a regular guy. I probably wear the same five uniforms.

It's in a way you have, like, five outfits that you like. It doesn't matter. Right, you like a T-shirt. You like, but you have a style. You have a style. it looks clean, nice, new, your beard is kept. For someone who isn't very organized, as you talk about, who is on maybe three shades away from being a hoarder.

I didn't say three. Oh my God, did you just say that? I didn't say it, but I had to. It just came out. I mean, fuck, why did I say that, Rob? I didn't even think about that. Yeah. You won't become a hoarder.

No, no, I won't. Yeah, there's something that kicks in at a certain point where I'll go crazy and have to go and do a massive tidy. But you don't think about like, should I buy these shoes? I've only got $180,000. Okay. When I...

When I grew up, I couldn't get fucking shoes to fit me. I had like one pair of shoes and one pair of jeans. So now I've got a bit of money. Things are more available. Fuck yeah. I'll be like, give me these shoes in every color. Fuck yeah, Christian.

You're like Arthur. Do you ever see Dudley Moore, Arthur? He's like, I'll take one of those. I'll take one of these. A blue and a green one. Give me a half dozen of this. I still have this mindset. I might not be able to get this.

again you know and you can't take it with you they always say you can't take it with you when you go but you also come take 17 parts of trainers in a and a small carry-on case what's my shoe 17 17 17 that's you know well I mean if a there was small I would fall over in the wind right quite tall you like a comfortable suit shoe is that good for your back these shoes these ultra-based ones yeah they're good because I need that's what I got I got have these uh we're not I'm not going to even say they're not paying for my shit no they're a six they're as well I bought these myself as well. I mean, I love these. I only got into them like two weeks ago and they're the best things I've ever worn. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you

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Free shipping and 365-day returns. Quince.com slash inside of you now growing up as a tall kid you probably got this you're a big kid all these did you develop knee problems back problems like young starting young were you always in pain because i've been in pain since i'm 17 i've had five back surgeries i have to have neck surgery so i'm always in pain i use a lot of CBD stuff i use a lot of you know i try to stay away from the drugs yeah what do you uh are you in a lot of pain no um i do have a back problem but that's came from working on Game of Thrones.

Really? Yeah. I actually was really lucky until I was about 35. I had no problems from a back knees or anything. And then it's just all that carrying. Have you heard of workers' compensation? No. Well, I have, but...

I don't know, man. It's not something I want to go down. Well, maybe they'll help you on the side. You know, it's like, hey, we're going to take... I don't know. The show has done so much for me. It has, but it also gave you a back problem. I know, man, but that's such an American point of view.

Hang on, hang on, hang on. It's like saying something. We don't see people back home for that. I'm not being greedy here. I'm thinking, Rob, do you know where I'm coming out at the angle? I kind of, but I also see his point. But let me look at this point. They have a thing called insurance that takes care of all their things.

They said, hey, a major character who he loved and adored, who was the nicest guy in the world, he has, he developed back problems from Game of Thrones. He never had the back problems, even though he's call and we should do something we'll give him the best doctors we'll give him the best this he won't pay for any of that that's a nice compensation it we've never talked about it do you ever want to talk about it no not really well what happens when you go to ireland then you're like oh uh christian you need a back surgery it's going to cost you $25,000 that's true i'll put my credit card it'll be all right yeah with all the other shoes yeah put them with all the other shoes i'll get a couple of back surgeries in different colors so so what uh what was the first thing that you remember like getting and having pain was it just like

all the carrying really slowly um i remember the first day i was on set and i'd done some training it told me it's going to be on my back a lot so i'd sort of like sort of train myself to sort of be pushing forward and stuff right and for the first season really i carried them all here so i wasn't prepared for this at all i sort of pulled me forward pull your forward i ended up with a pelvic tilt issue so it's flexible but i need to take like six months off and do physio wait a minute so you've been dealing with this pain for seven years six excuse me uh six years you don't burge you don't belch i can't you can't yeah i just can't do i mean i was always so jealous of people who could burp i could do it when i want watch what's that little noise before you burp it's sucking an air

that's amazing that's just like a fucking horror show is that horrible are you glad you can't belch you can fart though right you can fart well i can't do it on demand you there can do it if we need to no but you're a private guy with farts it tend to be yeah yeah there's no one person you'll be comfortable farting with them hoping by the end of this podcast you could lay one out there's not a friggin mission really yeah i don't need to at the minute anyway rob you don't fart either you don't fart in front of me am i just really immature and gross it's probably a little bit well i think it's a good thing i think you know yeah well uncomfortable with yourself is fucking important man

I asked Karen Gillen you know Karen? Yes Karen Gillen she's Scottish and I asked her I think she said her dad Farts or maybe he's burping all the time We talked about farts for a while Anyway we'll get off that subject So

All right so you developed this back thing And then you just became did you speak up Did you say hey guys I'm starting to have some problems here Well then they knew by the end of the First season no not the first season Because it was kind of okay It was just it sort of progressed over the seasons. Did they make you something to help you with it or?

Yeah, we had like, by the end we had doubles and stuff. How did they get a double for you? Man, so weird. This guy who's exactly the same build as me almost within an inch of the same height and he lives about 10 miles away from where I live. Who? And we're not related. And they found him. They found him, yeah. He was a parking attendant and also a wrestler. Nice guy. Yeah. What was his name? Brian. Brian. Brian. Brian. Yeah. Shout out to brown man so he did most of your no not most of just like wide shots yeah yeah unnecessary shots for you

to be carrying something yeah it's the same with Isaac because Isaac was too tall by the end of it oh yeah he plays brand right yeah yeah yeah we had like a small lady called Samantha right a small lady what's this a small girl called Samantha who was double brown

a small lady a small a small woman yeah Samantha she she was little brand yeah i don't know i could just have this picture just makes me laugh um and you you really your times i mean people talk to you about i just had david nutter on oh wow i love david he directed the pilot for smallville and yeah he's like i think it was his nickname the pilot whisper like everything he makes gets made pretty much something like that yeah he just he sells everything i loved he was like

my top two directors right that work with wasn't he just phenomenal i love working with you know he just makes you so comfortable doesn't it yeah he does and he's so fast as well yeah you know you know Nobody likes this little director. He does. It does. And also he listens to your feedback. And if it's good, he'll go with it. Natalie Tenia?

Natalia. Yeah. Yeah. I know her from a couple of cons and everyone's not getting an email saying, shut the fuck up, you cunt. Yeah. And Natalia's awesome. She's amazing.

Did you like working with her? Yeah. She was a wildling, right? Yes. Yep. In real life also. Yeah, she is. She is like crazy in a good way.

Oh, yeah. I don't give a fuck about what you think. I really ended up. A lot of respect for Natasha. yeah was she like that on set all the time just fucking off not fucking off but she's so professional but she's very talented actors also yeah she is um yeah singer musician yeah um she rocks what is it called molot jukebox yeah yeah she's really talented now did you you liked everybody on the show yeah was it i mean i've just got and i made an eye movement there but i was scanning

through 227 cast members there there's got to be someone where you work with you're like that fucking pain in the ass you don't have to say wasn't there someone that you're just like oh my god well they shut the fuck up and just do the scene yes is that all you're gonna say yeah because it was brand right no it was not there would be no names mentioned oh i wouldn't expect that surcy let's move on all right let's move on no but all right so you know you you they were probably you saw it but they didn't you didn't really was it more like you saw or you used you witness hands on like yeah maybe all right this is my ambiguous who is the most fun in the trailer in the trailer and you're getting ready for the day makeup who's in there playing music

enjoying themselves i mean you have to remember that we filmed in very small groups that's true yeah and it wasn't like everyone sort of imagines we're all in this big studio together playing like racquetball you're with a select group for most of the time exactly but yeah Isaac and i go on really well you know he was like a little brother yeah and i still keep in touch yeah yeah i mean not so much anymore at the minute but because we're both very busy but um he's a great kid and yeah i definitely i felt like i've fulfilled the big brother rule also i miss that actually yeah you know um you missed that camaraderie you miss being on well yeah you know what it's like being part of a show for so many years yeah i mean i wasn't devastated to leave at the end of it

i was i thought that was the end of that chapter yeah it's definitely bittersweet there's Yeah, yeah. Two sides to it, but I mess of people. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's probably my favorite show. I mean, there's millions and billions of people who'd say the same thing, but it's definitely my favorite show of all the time. To me, it was like watching a major motion picture, a good one.

Yeah. Every week. And with all the shite that you see now, and I'm just like to watch an episode with the production value and the stories and the characters and everybody was so good. And your death crushed me. Oh. And I'm sure you hear it all the time. But, I mean, it's just that.

death was like because of the you you were asked for years i saw interviews upstairs i was looking at we were like you're like hoping there's some meaning george has got to have uh you know he's got there's got to be some reason what's what's what's hodor how what's the meaning behind this character it would have been terrible it just meant nothing if it meant nothing it's like okay this was an interesting character who just said that one word but a million different ways which was probably harder than actually sang a bunch of lines yeah to say one line and make it mean something else yeah but finally when that came when did you find out the day this is when it's going to happen hodor dies and the whole

meaning behind it i mean when did you find that out well people have this we're asked a lot like do you read the scripts and find out when you're going to die and it really is true when you get the script at the start of each year it's like you scan through for your name because everyone dies in the show it's just such a butchery yeah and my friend had got the script um a day before me so i gave my call and I said so did I make it and there was like a dry silence on the end of the phone and I was like what and he goes yeah not so much you didn't really have you were you shocked no I kind of just what the type of character Hodor is and I kind of thought he would be eligible for a horrible death but a true martyr yeah but that's why he's such a pure character you know and you know

Game of Thrones loves to punch you in the nuts. And what better way to do is? Did you have any idea that Hodor would mean that? No. Not even till the end. I didn't, do you know what? I really didn't give it too much thought. I just,

I didn't, because I wanted to play him quite simply and quite purely. And I didn't want to give it too much meaning inside my head. I might sort of play it in a different way. You know, I just wanted to go with it because that's what he was doing. Yeah. Yeah.

He was just there trying to facilitate. He was very reactionary. You know, he was just sort of reacting to what was happening around him. Well, not to recreate it, but I just remember, as you're watching, it's just like, you know, the hold the door, hold the door, hold the door. And I was just like, I remember then, look at me, look at me, look, goosebumps now. When you started to figure out that he's saying, hold, hold, hold, hold, and I lost, I thank God. I thank the Lord above me that I was alone watching this because it was the ugliest fucking meanest cry. pounding on my fucking the beam bag art oh like my face been torting and i just had so much love for this character and now it was even so immense it just like what an ending it probably to me was the best like that like that was like one of the best moments the show's ever had well thank you

do you agree with it um i actually do i think it's we worked really hard on that scene for a long time how long did it take to shoot that scene oh wow um maybe two weeks two weeks to shoot it yeah two weeks to shoot and it's one scene and there was like four different locations inside outside about 17 different doors you know and we went through all sorts of hell did you cry when you watched it

yeah like what were you alone were you alone oh yeah I would never cry in front of anybody yeah yeah yeah yeah that's the you wait wait wait wait wait you've never cried in front anybody not while watching a movie shit I would have but I'll be kind of like maybe that's why I'm single oh my god

do you want me to go no no no I definitely did cry at movies, but not. I would avoid movies and maybe cry when I'm with people. Really? Yeah. So don't go see Schindler's list. Yeah, don't do that. I cry with somebody on that, but I'm a Jew and I just felt I had to.

Well, it's like I get away with it. But Rob, you cry to movies? The right movies. I don't picture you crying. I picture you laughing at people who cry. I don't want to say you're a cold, heart of dick, but I, like, I think you'd look at me and you'd laugh at me if I was crying. Did you see Manchester by the city? No.

That was the last one for me. You cried? Was it, you mean the last one? The last cry or? The last movie I cried at that I saw. Right. Yeah. And the guy just ties his shoe.

I haven't seen that one. Yeah. I mean, the last one that got me really good in a public place was I was on a flight from Germany and I watched Love Simon. I didn't see that. I, well, just because of the subject matter and stuff, it's pretty close to my own heart. Oh. I avoided watching it for so long because I knew it was going to be brutal.

And yeah, I was literally. on the plane and I think our stewardess came over in you okay yeah they think you lost someone on the plane yeah yeah Jesus yeah that's a great movie he used to see it so you know growing up it sounds like you never wanted to not that you didn't want to be but you didn't think you were going to act no you thought it was music for me yeah it's always music it's always music it's performance man it's just I like to perform because it's like a holiday from being yourself do you love being in front of people yes do you get nervous yeah but that's amazing isn't it's all but stepping out of your box for me so it's a good nervous yeah

if i'm not nervous before a show i'm always nervous before a show any show whether you're DJing whether you're performing music whether you're uh even when I had a residency in Belfast which I had done for 15 years every big night or every night I was nervous before I played the first record and then how long before you just felt great after the first record or shit uh depending on the crowd um yeah you get into it you have a few drinks and you sort of chill out have you ever shit the bed not literally shit the bed I mean have you ever just like really like not

shit in the bed but like just been like wow I suck tonight I wasn't on it it's DJing has a relationship between you and the crowd and sometimes as we know relationships don't go very well it's such an interesting thing you can play the same set to the same people like weekend and then the next weekend and they're going to respond completely differently it's just a mood it's kind of like stand-up comedy or whatever you go to the place and you're like they got that joke the other people didn't wear yourself exactly and then it's the same everywhere um it's horrible when it happens but it doesn't happen very often are you hard on yourself yeah like what do you do

buy a pair of shoes or five pairs of shoes maybe put them in a trash bag no I'll just be in a horrible mood I'll just be like I'll be probably quiet not really want to talk to anybody and sort like what did I do wrong and stuff but at this stage I'm a good DJ I'm a good I've done for a long time how many shows have you done would you say a thousand no way more than that way more than a thousand yeah i did j in the same club four times four nights awake 15 years what's that what's four time four eight 12 16 what's 16 times uh 12 whatever that's a lot 192 1192 a year wow so over and then that's before all this stuff started and then so has this has the game of thrones obviously even brought the game up with the DJ.

People want to go see you now. I really tried not to mix the two at the start because to me, I mean, music is really important to me and I felt a wee bit crass at the start sort of mixed the two, you know, and to do the whole Raver Thrones thing wasn't my idea. Then I saw how it sort of came together and people were enjoying themselves and partying and dressing up and stuff. I didn't change what music I was playing in any way. I might throw in a remix

I've done of the Game of Thrones track or whatever But that's it Oh, you have done that Just once I mean, I have my own remix I've done myself So you do You have a remix of bum, bump, bump

Yeah, which I play the guitar on now That's why the guitar is here Because I'm going to do it At Blisscon and Anaheim on Saturday Really? Yeah I have got to see one of these shows How many people come out to watch you?

Depends, man What's the smallest crowd or the biggest crowd? Smallest crowd 15 people That was years ago It's somewhere I'm probably in Nebraska. Like, Jesus Christ. Actually, not Nebraska.

Nebraska was awesome, actually. What's that other place? Idaho. Idaho. What's that other place? Idaho. That's the other place. But I still had a good night.

It's weird. You know. You still enjoyed it. I still enjoyed it because there was 15 people there. They're all dancing like idiots and having a great night. Still got paid. Still got paid. Everyone's happy.

And the biggest crowd, probably 200,000. 200,000. My own, of my own crowd and my own gig with nobody else there, it would be probably 6,000, 7,000. So. That is incredible. And people don't really understand, like, DJs can make so much money. Really? One night.

One night. I remember, like, those cons, the conventions, which you go to and you sign autographs for a weekend, and you make certain money. And I just, but DJs can make, what's the most that DJ can make in one night? I'm not going to ask you how much you make. If you're looking at someone who's top of the game. Like an oak and fold. Is he even top now? He's a legend.

He's a legend. A legend, but he wouldn't be one of the bigger owners. I would say if you're looking at someone like Eric Prids or like marshmallow or Deadmouse or Dimitri Vegas and like Mike, you're looking probably 300K. For a night? Yeah. And how many nights could they do? And look at Steve Ayoki and stuff. Steve Ayoki plays like three gangs in night.

He jumps on the jet. I'm about to do a little project with him. Yeah, Steve is awesome. He's one of the hardest working people I've met. $300,000? I don't know if he gets that. I don't know. But so what?

Why would you do like two shows a week and retire after one year? Because he's a workaholic. You know, it's the same reason. When I go home after a tour, I'm like, I can't wait to go home. I can't wait to go home. Then within three days, I'm like, I have to go. You love it that much. How many do you go, do you usually do once every other week?

How many gigs? Oh, no, do more than that. Do you know what? More and less, you know, it comes in waves. It's the same as any acting, DJing. It comes like buses. all at once or you might have a two month gap you know do you get rusty no you just keep always it's not like a guitar i mean you have to keep practicing the guitar but with djant i've done it so

much and what's the music it's progressive what's a progressive house yeah so what is that that's like that's not more of a bam bam bam it's a little bam bam bam bam bam what is what is it what is okay this is a really controversial term yeah could help me out because i'm not really used to that i listen to yacht rock dude you know what yacht rock is no sailing takes me away to where i just listen to mellow music man i need to be calm i need like um meet you all the way oh jose rosette no that's a good song toto i do like toto okay good yeah but that's the kind of let's get you i can listen to some metal i listen to 80s metal i like foreigner i like some deaf mell deaf leopard uh uh cinderella a little little osie osborne you're getting

there that's about as hard as i go man Man, I can't get darker than that. Really? Yeah, well, I mean, you could try to influence me and see if there's something I would like. I mean, I'm into, like, Megadeth, Pantera. I mean, my music. Okay, I like some of that.

Hasn't progressed. My music hasn't progressed past the 90s. Okay, mine hasn't progressed since the 80s, yeah. And, obviously, in dance music, it's hopefully pretty current. But with metal, I still listen to those old albums. So when you're DJing, what kind of mute, what is that? You say it's controversial, but no, it's not controversial, but it's just, it's term progressive house it's been mislabeled um the sort of the noises you were making a minute ago

that's not progressive house that's ed that's edm edm what does that stand for it's just a it's a broad term for electronic dance music but when you say an edm set it's going to be very high energy there's going to be lots of dropouts and everything and all the frat boys you don't do that yeah yeah i think i'm going to vomit when i hear that music oh my god yeah no disrespect to it of course but it's not me it's not me it's not what you like you know

I'll tell you yeah if it's a fucking movie I hate I'm gonna go to shite you know you tell me I'll say that it's not for me

not for me I think I'm too old but I'm glad I'm too old you're younger than me so shut up wait it's you I'm 46 oh yeah

I'm definitely older younger younger fucking now anyway um yeah progressive house is

floaty beautiful like arpeggios and melodies over quite a hypnotic sort of baseline. It's very, very trancy. Do people do drugs while they're... Oh, fuck, yeah.

Have you ever done drugs? Yes. You know, I did Mollies at Burning Man for the first time two years ago. That was pretty cool. This is something I've never talked about before, and it's not because I didn't want to, because no one's ever had the balls to ask me before. Oh, I... Well, this is a... I mean, we're adults.

It's drugs or things that are around us. I DJed on the club scene for probably 10 years before I ever. touched the drug and I went down a hole I went into a rapid bullman um I started with I started with coke you know I mean and only for a year though but a lot a lot but I did everything everything heroin that but you know what I did it once and that was the wake-up call you're lucky because uh you know if people say you do it once and that's it yeah well I mean that's why because I liked it. I liked it a lot.

And that was the day I thought, this isn't me. I looked at myself in the mirror. I didn't really recognize myself anymore. And this was over the spans of one year. I'm very lucky. Got it out of my system. And when it turned 29,

I haven't touched it since and I haven't wanted to. So anything. Anything? Anything. You drink? No, not really. Nothing.

I drink socially. I might have like a little Prosecco every now and then with a strawberry hanging out of it um did your mom know about this yes was she going was it hard for her to watch yeah i'm sure um we haven't really talked about it but um she she did know what was happening i don't know how anything from her do you think she's she's part of the reason why you said fuck this yeah i gotta live for yeah well i just sort of see her strength and stuff and i can pull from that and so it's weird it's a weird feeling living at yourself and not recognizing yourself

and that's not only on a physical way it's like even in a sort of behind that behind you're looking your eyes and there's that that person's not there anymore and that's what also that's all it took for me. Rob, have you ever done that? No. I think, you know, I've definitely had moments where I just look at the mirror and I just am like, what are you just going through the motions. What's the fucking? I mean, I've had some rough patches, you know, where I'm just like, what's wrong with me? I just don't feel, I don't feel good. Yeah. What's happened? Or I just don't feel good. I just don't feel like, you know, and it's just more of a, it's like something, it's just an empty You know, and it's just, I've had that in my life before, and it's, it's tough because you're like, you know, and I'm, and I'm a very optimistic person for the most part.

I mean, I fucking fight through pain. I fight through shit. I'm like, hey, man, life's more important than, you know, and you just try to make, but sometimes shit gets you. Yeah. And you just have to say, hey, I'm in a dark place and I'm going to get out of it. Exactly. You just have to own it. It's, you got to own it.

You got to look and go, hey, I don't see myself. I'm going to go talk to someone. I remember I said to Jess, like, it's like three years ago, and I never have said this before. Have you said, are you a depressed person? I'd be like, no. I would just, I just wouldn't talk. Now I talk openly, but she was like, I, she, or in the kitchen, I just go, I think I'm depressed. And she kind of turned to me and looked at me and she goes, okay, do you want me to call

Dr. Krausman? Yeah, no, I'll call him. I'll call him. I'll be all right. I'm going to be fine. I just, uh, just feels good to say that. so it was definitely it was a tough moment you know it's just like sometimes just like because i think if you let everything get to you you can get let little things get to you every once in a while

yeah but sometimes you're like that's bothering me that's bother me that and a lot of the things you're projecting haven't even happened yet so you're worrying about things that haven't happened which they're not real things like i know the things you can't really change yeah why waste time worrying about things that you can't do anything about i try to think like that you know my my grandfather he's old okay but he could die tomorrow yeah and he could die a year from now yeah you can't do that no it's like my dog's 10 i these dogs die like 13 years old why are you wondering about that i know man you know yeah i mean i got anxiety over losing my mom and stuff as well and how old is your mother mom's 67 but she's fit as a fiddle you talk every day

yeah but i mean it can come consuming you know i start to dream about it and stuff and you know it becomes kind of consuming um but you have to let go with that like you say how do you do it how do you do it i just let it go man um a bit of meditation and stuff you meditate every day i try to what do you do like 20 minutes maybe more sometimes sometimes you can't get there you can't get to the place we need to be um you sort of bagging your head off a brick wall but it's been very helpful for me as well i would try to do it before going stage and stuff guided meditation or are you no you just emptiness like quiet quiet and sort of yeah just see where it leads me and do you always feel like you start to think and then you start to go away from that

and you just sort of embrace just being yeah it's like sort of that just like it's hard to stop thinking man yeah i'm sure you know what it's like to consciously stop thinking is well you're you're thinking about not thinking yeah exactly and then you go into this fucking crazy loop yeah um but yeah it's definitely been valuable what do you do for fun i play computer games what game what game you're a big gamer right i'm a warcraft player warcraft i've never played warcraft really yeah i want to try redemption revolver is that what it's called red redemption whatever that's not world that's not world i know but i want to try that yeah but it's just people have been telling me to watch this show the haunting of hellhouse

they don't say anything because i haven't seen the 10th episode it's really good but apparently the 10th episode's bad really yeah oh don't say that i haven't seen it either but i love spoiling for you yeah it's real bad Did you see it? Please, well, honestly. Let me should just leave out the 9th. Well, you know, I've been dying. I haven't seen it yet.

Oh, my God. You should probably just make up your own anything. Because Mike Flanagan's a buddy of mine. He's directing, like, the new Shining sequel. He directed that. I mean, I love the first, you know, most of the first nine episodes were really amazing. And then I'm ready for 10 and I'm, I just, I wanted to watch it here instead of in the plane. But you saw it?

I haven't seen that. Even I haven't seen any of them. All right. But you know what? Hey, you know what, though, even if the 10th's bad, even if like, you get seven out of 10th's bad. episodes and they were great. That's good for me. Well, most of my friends who loved it have said,

I really wish you didn't watch that episode. Don't say anything. We have horror movie nights at my house during the Halloween, so everybody comes over and we watch horror movies here. I love horror movies. I hate horror movies. I can't. What?

Yeah, I can't watch them. Why? Because I'll dream about it for about a week afterwards, and I just can't handle them anymore. Something happened around my mid-20s or 30s. I used to love horror movies. What happened? I don't know I just didn't enjoy them anymore

What was it Was there one particular movie Maybe you saw? When I was a child I think I talked about This in Instagram recently There's a Salem's lot Oh I love that movie

Yeah It was a TV movie Yeah The blue vampire Don't talk to me about him That motherfucker man He gave me the shit He really did

And that little fuck pot He came up the window Yeah The kid The kid And the guy who comes To the door like floating was a smile on his face yeah that was creepy as a kid give me the shit smell

for many years i like i love harm movies i like to me it's an adrenaline like for you DJing for me it's like that's an adrenaline that's like a roller coaster for me it's like if i could scare me and the problem with horror movies is and we don't have to go on a tangent they're just mostly not scary anymore and they're mostly commercial and they're just throwing oh this works so let's make a sequel even though it sucked yeah let's make a sequel of a movie that sucked because we'll make money because there's those people who just go see it

it's a horror movie and they don't care about quality people I saw this one movie I'm not going to say what it is I saw this one No I'm not saying that I also saw that They just they go

Oh my God have you seen this movie And I'm like You've got to be fucking kidding me The movie they were talking about Was honestly one of the worst movies I've ever seen And they went on about Oh my God it was so fun

Scary I've talked about today You're not going to name that movie It was a quiet place No I like quiet place All right back to you now back to you. The reason why I mentioned that was the way you said red or dead

redemption. Every time I talk about the haunting of Hill House, I say like the Mansion on Haunted Hill or the Hill House haunted. I can't get the frigging. The Hill House has eyes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, so don't see the 10th episode. Don't bother.

Fuck you. I can't believe you did that to me. So you're playing music your whole life. You're playing guitar, you're singing. Now, when did you get on stage for the first time because this is a guy I'm hearing that is a little he doesn't he's a tall guy he's he's uncomfortable people are rude to him in school there's 26 people he likes five of them how are you able to get on stage because I have a huge amount of fuck you in me you've always had that

yeah who taught you that your mother yes um and anyone who tells me I can't or shouldn't do something I will usually rebel hard against it and um one of my first jobs entertainment was being a drag artist a drag artist queen a drag queen oh a drag queen a drag queen yeah all right yeah i know a drag queen wait we talk english isn't it one of your first jobs well at entertainment yeah wait wait how old were you i was 22 and how did you get how did this happen someone told me i couldn't do it or shouldn't do it because i wouldn't look very feminine and stuff and i'm like that's not why i want to do it you know obviously i'm seven I'm not trying to pass as a woman.

Did you have someone help you with the... No, I did everything. Yeah. Make up. Yeah. Hair. Believe me, when I first started, I looked like a bag of shite. Did you have a beard still?

No. I only had a beard for Game of Thrones. Do you have pictures? Not on me. I've been in drag a couple times. For movies. For movies to Sweet November. I was in drag.

I was in drag in sorority boys. I was in... I think, oh, my mother, when I was in sixth grade for extra credit, if we did something, we got a free A to apply to any class and I needed a because I was failing everything. And so it was a talent show when I dressed up as Pat Benatar. She put makeup on me boobs.

This is in Bible Belt, Indiana. Nice. And I sang Shadows of the Night in front of an open-mouthed classroom of just like, what the fuck is this dude doing? I was so embarrassing. And I remember thinking they're going to laugh. They're going to love it.

I'm going to kill it. I'm in high heels. I have tits. I'm in fifth grade in southern Indiana. And I'm like, Shadows of the night. So baby, take my head. hand to be all right i didn't even know the fucking words i thought it'd be funny enough and i just stood there frozen and it was most it was embarrassing but it was it was good i'm glad i did it

liberating it was you know i knew i was different then yeah i knew that i was gonna have to i'm i was in an entertainer yeah so what was the feeling when you went how many people did you go up in front of um it was a club in belfast which i ended up DJing and it was just so different to anything anyone had ever seen before and it's probably still to the day um It was a mixture of Marilyn Manson, meets Divine, meets probably Satan. Like, I would have blackout contact lenses and stuff. And you sang? Eventually, not on my first appearance.

Were you drunk? No. You had no alcohol, no heroin? The adrenaline was strong in this one. Really? Yeah. Super aggressive when it was in drag. Super like, fuck you.

Wow. That's why I did it. It was like a shield to perform behind. That's why I did it. That was exactly. why I did it before I could sort of come out as wow yeah it's like hey I'm this character I'm still a character I'm gonna say fuck you to the world yeah and that will help me become who I am exactly it took me why did to realize that too to realize what well that that was why I did it really so you didn't

understand you're doing it because no no not at the time but right because it was it was more about somebody saying yeah yeah right somebody saying you can't do it you can't do this it's like fuck you I could do whatever I want exactly did your mom knew about it? this oh yeah mom used to make me mini skirts and you're how tall at this time i haven't grown any since it was 22 so you are a seven foot drag artist yeah well i used to wear these platforms i was eight foot four how tall is or short is your miniskirt that your mom's making you that's that's a funny story actually um she'd be like no it's too short it's too short i said mom just bring the hemline up bring it up and she'd make it quite short and then i'd just pull it up anyway are you just seeing

butt cheeks? What are you seeing? How do you tuck yourself in there? You're wearing panties? Well, I used to wear these swimming trunks that were like five sides of too small. So your balls are just slopped in there. Yeah, and pushed back and it's kind of gross.

But I mean, it wasn't like the type of drag you see in drag race these days. It's also super convincing and stuff. I would have wore like a miniskirt covered in rubber spikes and stuff. So any bodes that was there would have been covered in latex. I don't think you've scratched the surface on like the kind of rolls you're going to play. People see you as a simple, loving favorite character Hodor on Game of Thrones

But now after hearing this story I don't think anybody's seen anything yet Are you willing Would you be willing to do something like that in the movie Would you be a drag queen or naked or I've already been naked In a movie? Well, in Game of Thrones

When were you naked? It was your butt, though Yeah, that's true It was just your butt, though. I'm talking dong day afternoon, brother. Would you show the dong? Yeah, I mean it depends on the circumstance But yes is the answer.

You look. Are you proud of your dong? No more than anybody else is. Rob, you're proud of your dong. Same answer, not more than anyone else. He's very proud of his. No, I want to say that. Do you trim yourself to make it look bigger?

No? I do. Rob? I guess. I mean, sometimes. Think about it. If it's like not with that, I don't have a very, I'm not that hairy. Well, if you have a nice beard growing, your arms aren't hairy, though.

Yeah, I'm not that. Back? Nope. I do. I get hairy sometimes. I trim it. Okay. But you don't want to be bush gardens down there. I'm not. Oh, so you don't really need to shave that much? No, I don't at all. I mean, it's... You have left it alone. What a treat, man. It's not like 70s porn store or old down there. Do you trim your butt cheeks at all? I do that. I don't have anything there. No hair on the butt cheeks. No. Semi hairless balls. I mean, you're a lucky guy. Well, it depends what you're into. You may have a jack back from your fucking... carrying that asshole around three hundred pairs of shoes you know but you you don't seem like you complain a lot yeah i don't do you get tired easily do you my manager might say something different but um do you yell are you a yeller i get passionate about things yes what's the last thing you got passionate about where you're feeling like you know that could have been taken in a different way i could have been a little more calm do you know i'm not even going to

specifics because i can't really remember because i don't hold on to things i let it go once i've done and try not to remember because what's the point hanging on this stuff but things that piss me off are when people don't do the job properly and it affects how I do my job like say I get to a gig

and it's the wrong equipment or equipment goes down in the middle of a show and you're the one that's up on stage looking like a cock and the music has stopped and I'm just like I'll actually turn around

and go you're dead you give that luck like you're going to fucking kill you but I wouldn't not actually kill them but this is your passion you're your job I can throw shade right yeah i'm passionate about it yeah and the dj gets a hard time if things go wrong right

because people believe you just up there pushing buttons yeah they're like it's all him exactly what i mean it's just pushing buttons so you could at least get that right you know jeez it's not no it's really not it's really difficult isn't it uh once you've got it i mean once you've got the technique and stuff it's how long would it take me to be a not a great dj but like someone who could probably go to gigs well you're in the music and you i love music You've got rhythm and stuff, haven't you? I got rhythm. If you've got rhythm and you can count with 4 beat and the 16 beat and the 32 beat, you'll be fine once you've learned the technique.

But it takes time. You can't just do it in the first few times. You've got to take months and months of doing this. We have to learn how to read a crowd and stuff and how to... And you have to have all the music too. You have to have the music. And it's like you have to learn how to represent yourself and also keep people happy. It's a real hard line to go.

And you get to a certain stage where when you're a resident DJ, you have to keep them happy every week. and then when you become a touring DJ and a producer you have to play your own stuff and you have to somehow bring the crowds in and also represent yourself in a way that's your sound which you don't really have to worry about when you're a resident and so it's sometimes a bit of a hard line to walk because if I'm having a hard time with a crowd

I know I could play a different type of music and they go mad but I can't do that because it's not me it doesn't represent me anymore that makes sense It's hard. Yeah. I mean, you said you're hard on yourself.

You can be hard on yourself. Yeah, but I think it's good. I mean, to be critical to do to a point, I think it's good. Why do you have to be so busy all the time? Is it because you just really love your work? Or is it because if you're alone, you drive yourself crazy? I do drive myself crazy. I'm a procrastinator by nature.

I think I was quite lazy in the first 25, 30 years in my life. I think it was quite lazy. And only since all this stuff happened, I really know what really work is. You nailed a date here with this podcast. You came right. You didn't change the day. You didn't say, fuck. You were right.

Well, that's because I have to. If I started to fuck around, it would never happen. Right. You know? So, yeah. Do you want to act more? Yeah. You want to do movies?

You want to do, like, TV? Yeah, but it has to be the right thing. It's kind of hard coming from something like Game of Thrones and, like, what do you next? I'm sure you know how that feels. It's just got to be the right thing. Yeah. And I don't want to do another character, like, Hodor.

No, I think you should play a dark character. A dark character. dark character that'll be easy is it well why do you say that was so effortlessly so like I've got a dark side to me of course would you love to yeah you want to explode on stage don't you you want to explode and like yeah

you want to be back in drag in 19 I would love to do that actually whatever it was yeah yeah of course I want to still act but you know what it's like being type cast and stuff and I'm fighting against that yeah until you do something everybody goes oh my god yeah that's the guy from uh Malcolm in the middle who's the lead on breaking bad

He's unbelievable. Yeah. Well, I didn't expect that. Exactly. You know. But, you know, I'm very grateful for it as well. People say, you annoyed when people call you hood or the time. And I'm like, no, because it's brought me so much, you know.

I mean, you got to embrace it. Exactly. People say, hey, Lex Suther. It's better than, hey, asshole. Hey, nobody. Exactly. Why not? Yeah.

You make a living. It's a good run. It's like, hey, what does the future hold? You know? It opens up all kinds of possibilities. I was hoping you'd be the dead army. You know, the Nightwalkers? The Nightwalkers in like the final season.

Well, I can't really talk about that, but... You can't talk about the last season? Of course it can't. Yeah, of course not. Yeah, David wouldn't either really. Sort of he did. But not really. He talked about like some table reads and stuff.

Yeah, that's okay. He can do that. He's not going to sue himself. Right. Right. But you can't wait say anything. Not said. I have learned over the years from having a big mouth.

I do have a big mouth. I have a hard time keeping stuff to himself. but I don't really know much anyway, so... Are you excited about it? Yes. Do you know what happens at all? I don't really know much. Yep.

All right, yeah, I don't want to know. Anyway, I really don't want to know anyway. I really want to watch just, what, six left? Six or seven, I think. And I hope they're long. Hope they're like an hour and a half at least. Well, the rumors were two hours. I don't know if that's true.

Each of them? Yeah, apparently. So, well, it's good for, like, movie length, each one of them. Who would you like to see that you haven't seen in a while besides Isaac? I haven't seen Finn. In quite a long time. Who?

Finn plays Iron Fist now. He was the Night of Flowers. We're good friends. He's been busy with the Marvel stuff. What about the hound? Oh, Rory's awesome. Dude, that is my, probably my all-time favorite character. The hound.

He's awesome. Have you met him in real life? You're a cunt. You're a cunt. And you're a cunt. It's remarkably similar in real life, also. Is he? I hear he, like, lives in the woods and shit.

Yeah, he's quite a... Is he ever in L.A.? God, that guy's a brilliant. I don't know if he... I can't see him in L. you know um he's a loner he's a fucking great guy though he's a cool guy big guy yeah he's not much shorter than me actually tough tough guy well you need to be to live the life he does like he takes he drives his boat fucking all over the place he lives in the middle of nowhere he's had a that's what he wants

it he likes his solitude that's beautiful it really is i wish i could do that yeah i mean it's so appealing to me as well but then i think if i put myself in that circumstance i'd be like quickly get me back to civilization you know i always think that but i hate i hate the thought of like you know sometimes i'm like i just want to go back home maybe get a farm living some land and just like keep it simple and not stress and not worry about stupid shit and just kind of enjoy life and have some animals and do whatever you'd be bored of shit you'd be on the next flight out you'd be and then i'm like i don't like to think of myself like that's like if that's the truth and maybe it is probably is it's like fuck why why am i like that why couldn't i be more simple

You could always try. Do you want to try? I think we should go together. That should be our next movie. It should be two guys, Huron shows, who decide I'm going to get out of the limelight completely and move away. Oh, yeah, I don't know reality. No, I hear that.

This has been a real treat. I mean, honestly, you know, there's always some questions that people have here. Yeah. Andrew Boone, was that a prop dong in his nude scene? It was a prop. It was 16 inches, dude. Don't want that. Yeah.

I like to have him blood in my brain. Yeah, you know, people, who wants a 16-inch dong? I mean... It could be useful as a draft excluder or is it a cudgel. Yeah. I was given the choice whether I wanted to be nude in front of... At that time, Isaac was 9 or 10 years old and 200 other sort of camera and sound people. And I think we'll just take the prosthetic.

Yeah, let's see the prosthetic. Joseph John at Joseph J. Bauman. Yeah, actually, I'm a dead... I'm dead curious to know what filming and cold weather must be like. It's cold. What are the concerns about their well-being? With those cold scenes, how cold were you? Well, no, that's the thing.

All the snow scenes were done in Belfast, and it was false snow. It was actually summer. Right. So we are actually melting in our outfits. So is the opposite. You're hot as shit. Hot as shit. There's a scene underneath the wall.

Yeah, I think it's season four. We're underneath, we're in this sort of ice tunnel. and if you look at Sam and me anybody else actually it's supposed to be frigidly cold you can just see the beads of sweat so drip in office there's nothing they could do about it

it was like holding torches in her faces as well I was like oh my god yeah so it's not cold at all at Jonathan underscore toast I'm curious as to what his favorite music is which we sort of to listen to he talked about that and what your favorite music to play so you know hit metal you like metal and dance music um house music um i like techno as well um i like all music actually

yacht rock well you know i do like chicago i just never heard the the genre yacht rock before i am really yeah yeah it's uh there's a yacht rock station on serious radio do you know that rob no we'd a sound guy at one of our live shows not know what yacht rock was either jesus you know like the little river band and Dan Fogelberg and Chicago And Chicago is the only one I know of that bunch At Willow Oz Gemma Reed

What unexpected changes to your life Have occurred due to the massive fame Obviously Game of Thrones But I mean Everything Literally everything How much free shit do you get Not that much

You know It's not that bad Or not that good I should say Really? I don't know man It's just nothing's the same As it was like

Eight years ago Are you glad it's not the same Well no I'm not saying glad It's good and different it's different in good ways definitely i can do what i want to do you know it just opens up doors for other stuff you know i was able to buy my mama house which was my goal that's amazing and that's all i want to do and we've got both got nice cars that's all i need i don't need anything more than that that's it just your health i don't care with that either come on you don't you don't

do drugs that's good no no i'm getting about that um but um yeah i just feel very lucky and i'm just excited to see what happens next yeah i am too this has been a real treat you know we talked in the beginning and we could always edit out but even if you gave a couple of licks yeah you sure yeah nice aren't you glad i didn't say ask you to say hodor isn't that great we did the whole interview i didn't ask you to do it we're not at the end yet oh i didn't ask you to do it people always come up and say hey well you say i am the villain of the story because that was like a quote on the show i was like i'm sure everybody goes will you say it what you say it i'm not going to ask you to say that i'm not going to do that i'm not going to do it

It's unnecessary. This is him asking. No, it's not. That's how he does it. No, it's not. I swear it wasn't. Okay, then, then you've asked me soon. So if I ask you something, you could say it, I can ask you any question.

You would answer it. You see, that's somebody really wants. See, it was so difficult. Oh, no, I was going to let it go. And then you said you felt like you wanted to do it. So I said, I did not say that. All right. I'm asking a couple of questions.

This is it. You get one. So make it count. Does I only get one? Yeah. Are you dating someone? Yes. Holder

I can't even get that right You are, are you in love? Yes All right Yeah I like that Is it, wait Wait, wait

How long? A year Is it the same person we were talking When we met and talked about in London? That's about three years ago So, no Was that three years ago? I think it was

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