Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - KRYSTEN RITTER: Future of Jessica Jones, Love for Breaking Bad, Orphan Black Spinoff & Being a Runaway Model

Episode Date: April 25, 2023

Krysten Ritter (Jessica Jones, Breaking Bad) joins us this week to talk about finding the subtext in roles and how she feels the most ‘herself’ while on set - however, she opens up on how the pressure, publicity, and politics behind the scenes brings out her anxieties. Krysten talks about her enjoyment while filming Breaking Bad and what it was like to shoot one of the most gut wrenching scenes anyone has seen on TV. We also talk about how special of a show ‘Don't Trust the B in Apartment 23’ was, how she had to grow up quickly in the world of modeling, and where she thinks the future of Jessica Jones is heading. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🟠 Discover: https://discvr.co/3Cnb1V8 🧼 Dove Men Plus Care __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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but you're really private. Yeah, I am. I'm not like a huge fan of doing a bunch of interviews because I get like nervous about it. And, you know, sometimes I don't love extra attention on myself or you know things like get picked up but I want to support you and come do it we've been talking about doing this interview for a long time like over two years yeah I'd bumped in you a couple times whether it was our good friend Dave Yereveske's screening of night books yeah but

even way before that I think no it was uh you were walking your child down Melrose and I was like hey yeah I love running into you I ran into you I got a concert too yes Bruce Springs no I've never gone to a Bruce Springston concert was it Morris Springston concert was it more No. Was it the cure? No. Was it anything? It was L.A., downtown, big place.

L.A. down, Hollywood Bowl? Greek? No. Something downtown. If it wasn't an 80s band, there's a good chance it wasn't me. No, it was definitely you. You were wearing your leather jacket.

Leather jacket, yeah. What was that? This would have been like a really long time ago. Was it a sports game instead? Did I run into you at the Lakers or something? Maybe it was a Lakers game. I think it was a Lakers game. I've been to one Lakers game.

I think that might have been it. Because I only remember the like meeting and it was like outside with all like the doors to a big event space. Might have been that. Could have been or a Rams game. Definitely not a Rams game. No, we went to one. We could do this all day folks. All day.

What concerts have we been to? No, but like, you know, I always love seeing you too. Yeah. It's funny because. Yeah, you're one of those people you can run into and it's like no time is fast. Yeah, I just was talking to a friend about it because I don't, I don't ever like nothing's ever weird with me. Yeah. I don't feel like, I'm like, hey, let's go.

Yeah. If there's that, yeah. Really nice, easy person to get along with. Let's just let the production. I mean, I would say, yes. I mean, I'm not the easiest person in the world. I don't think any of us are that easy when people really get to know us and know our little idiosyncrasies and their little, you know, our little fucking traits and things.

The dark underbellies. Yeah. Nobody really wants to see that, right? You have to keep some of it private. Sure. I mean, there's some things about you that you think that, oh, my God, if they knew that, they would just look at me so differently. Sure, sure.

There are. Yeah, of course. Things you do, certain ways you act, certain, you know, just things. Absolutely. So we're not going too private. I mean, those aren't that private. Those are little characteristics of what makes us human. Yeah.

But no, I loved working with you. We worked together. And I noticed you were unlike someone I've ever worked, anyone I've ever worked with, being that you had just, it's not that people I've worked with don't have a confidence, you know, an air about them, how they handle or hold themselves. But you, I remember, you were so easygoing, so, like, present with everybody, but you never seemed nervous about the work or intense about the work. It was just, that's work. Works part of me. Here we go. Are you always like that? I just was like, it was intimidating in a way because you were so just on. And it

was natural and it was effortless. At least that's how I perceived it. Um, thank you. This last compliment I'm giving you. That's okay. No, I appreciate that because I do feel like when I'm at work, when I'm on set, when I'm like doing a show, that is probably where I'm the most myself because I love it and I work hard at it and I'm ready when I get there. Like I have an exhaustive sort of prep process and then I throw it all away once I'm on set and I'm just there. And so I appreciate that you saw me that way because that's kind of, yeah. That's how you feel. That's how, yeah, that's how I feel.

So are you saying that there's sort of a juxtaposition of like you're on set, that's your world, I'm confident in this, but in the real world, maybe you're not as. You know, I think I'm not as with the like publicity side of it and doing interviews and like the press support that you have to do for projects.

Why is that, you think? You know, it just feels like a different kind of attention on you. It feels like much more pressure. It feels like more personal, I guess. And when you're playing a character,

you are you get to hide behind that and like you're acting and it's a performance and that's kind of where my strength is and then when it gets to like you know the personal stuff I always start just like I get anxiety I sort of shut down okay you do I say what do I hate when things like sometimes you don't want attention on things that see that this is this is normal this is you know when you do red carpets sure I bet you hate that I don't mind the red carpet why's that because I but you have to pose like Kristen Kristen over here Kristen and you have to put that little mouth kind of chin

thing down and and everybody does it every all the women the actresses yeah we do dudes you have to kind of you know how you look good and you have to do that yeah but do you ever get mad at yourself for why am I putting that on if you don't put it on like if I don't do like something you're gonna look like I look like an idiot

I look stupid because I don't photograph as easily easily as well as you do and so I get a little bit like I have to go, or at goofy or something. I don't mind the red carpet, the photographs. I'm like, before I was an actress, I was a model. So I had that, like, kind of built into the work. Like, that's part of the work for me.

It's the interview parts afterwards. It's the talk shows. It's those things that, like, you know, pommel me. What's the worst interview? You have to say who it was. But do you ever have one experience where you're like, I'm done? I didn't, not one that I was, I was like, I'm done. But I feel like, you know, whenever you're supporting a project and you have to do like the talk show circuit, I would always just put so much pressure on myself and I'd be like in the dressing room like, like panicking, breaking out in hives and sweating.

And nobody would sort of believe me or like validate that because they'd be like, you got this, Kristen. Your interviews are always great. You got this. And I'm like, no, really. I'm so nervous. I can't do it. I can't do it. But then you do it and you like work the nerves.

You use the nerves to like make a cute appearance. and then it's over, and then everyone's like, see, you got this. But it's this cyclical thing. Yeah. It doesn't, it just, even though it's validated at the end, like, great, great, you go right back into that same feeling. Yes. And there's only, there was one time I was doing like a tour for my book and I was about

to go like speak in front of people at Barnes & Noble. Right. And I was very nervous. I felt so much pressure. I was so scared. I was shaking. And there was a person there, a publicist person who said like, okay, if you really feel like you're going to throw up or faint. Just look at me and I'll come get you. And that was so disarming

to me because then I was like, I felt validated. I felt like, okay, I have a lifeline. I'm going to be okay. So that's like the one like thing that I sort of remembered. See, you're not getting private, but you're getting real and you're talking about that, which is to me is helpful. Helpful. I think it's important for people to know that like what sometimes might look really easy for somebody. there is actually not. Yeah. And when things are still like really, really hard, do it anyway. You're going to be okay.

Yeah. Do it anyway. You're not going to die. You're going to get through this. You don't have to have like level 10 confidence to like go after something because sometimes we're all faking it. That's true. I get, I get that.

And I get that. You talk about validation. Yeah. That's like I think that's just human nature in general. It's like when someone isn't feeling well or someone is you want someone to nurture you or pay attention and just help you and support you and make you feel comfortable. And a lot of people, like, I didn't get that as a kid. Sure.

I just didn't get it. I don't know if I've talked about that necessarily, but, you know, I remember these things. These are vivid. These aren't me making them up. They are, they happened. My parents were never, I remember opening the garage door in, I was probably 12, and they had glass windows and it was old, rickety, shitty garage door. And it was hard to open and I opened it.

and a piece of glass fell and hit me in the mouth. Okay. And split my face open, blood everywhere. Okay. And my dad just kind of labbed and says, go in and put ice on it. I go, I need to go to the hospital. I need to get stitches. And he's like, no, you don't.

And I remember one time I, many times where fireworks went off in my hand. These spinners when I was a kid, you know, the spinners, they got caught in my hand and burned my hands badly. And I was screaming and agonizing pain. him. I put your hand in cold water. Yeah. And I remember hours. It just wouldn't go away. I slept with my hand in a pot of ice water. Oh. And this was sort of, I remember, I didn't think about it then. Like, oh, they're, you know, they're terrible. But as you get older, you're like, no one was there to sort of. Give you your

emotional needs. Like validate that, hey, I'm in pain. Take care of me. Help me. I'm in pain. Help me. Take care. And a lot of people just don't really, it's not that they don't care that they just, I guess, don't care. And it's also, you know, it's a, different time right our parents really didn't know no one knew what they were doing i think now like people like with parenting i have a child so when you're saying this i'm like yeah so when this happens like the really the most important thing to me is like meet my kids emotional needs make sure that he knows like i'm there mommy loves him so he never has to waste any time like earning love or getting love he can just be his wonderful happy independent self and thrive

and you know validating his feelings helps so much We talk about the feeling, we name the feeling. How old is he? He's three. And so you can talk to him. Like, he gets things. He's smart. He's real smart.

And he's so wonderful and he's happy and he's confident and he's like. Do you tell him he's smart all the time? All the time. You're so smart. I tell him every day or I'll like tell him secrets. I'll go over and whisper to him like the other day. And he'll tell you secrets? Yeah.

I'll just whisper to him. I said, I just want to let you know that I watched you like playing with this kid earlier. And it was so awesome watching you learn and grow. and you're so smart and you're so funny and you're so kind whispered that to him and he said thank you mama my kid is just delicious can't garden i can't i'm so lucky that's just like wow i know how important is that to to children to have parents who are i mean it's i've talked about this so many times but like just something a positive thing and and to fill them with positive vibes and and you know they will get more confident and smart and feel this way because of you yeah because of

their mom yeah you know or dad and it's so important um having a kid is a big opportunity to like heal your own shit and do something else to be a better person than maybe your parents were totally and put a lot of consciousness into it and that's what that's really what what i'm all about with my kid so do you try to do things because maybe your parents didn't give you certain things as a kid so maybe you're totally totally totally and who knows like what will i'm trying to doing my best to make sure that he just feels happy and love that's it and um but yeah like just being conscious about things so some you know you grow up and you're like you know stop crying i'll give you something to cry about then you're like i cannot believe or like your hand's fine put it in ice

like you know let's acknowledge what's going on and so the kid doesn't feel so spun yeah i agree I agree. I think maybe that's why I haven't had children yet. Yeah. But when you do, you'll see it's an amazing opportunity to, to like put all of this stuff somewhere. It's a great healing opportunity. It's a rebirth. Yeah. I guess the fear is, you know, I don't want to make the same mistakes. I don't, and I know I won't, but I'll put so much pressure. Because you're conscious about it. You won't. And you'll work at it. You'll go to therapy. You'll like, you know, take a real look at it. Yeah. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money.

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Quince.com slash inside of you. Do you go to therapy? Of course. How long have you been on a therapy? I kind of go in and out of it. Yeah. I'll kind of like tackle something. I'm a hardcore person.

You are. You are. The music you listen to, I remember being on set with you and you were just listening to some like I don't want to say avant-garde shit but you're always listening to some indie stuff you had an indie band yeah you kind of like you're sort of like you're a beautiful soul but you're you have a darkness to you for sure you definitely have this darkness and I want to know where that comes from yeah I don't know it's just like what I always gravitated when I was gravitude you know when I when I was young I was into that shit and it just

like stuck I still like dress like I was a teenager what is that shirt this is Johnny Cash I thought for a second it was Journey, but how dare you wear a journey shirt? Never! You used to make fun of my music. I love your music. What are you talking about? Yeah, I love your music. I love your big 80s rock music.

Oh, good. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. Not to get too private, but like growing up, how was growing up? Were your parents, like, supportive and cool and whatever? Listen, when I was growing, I'm from a farm in Pennsylvania. And before that, I'm from an even smaller town and what I was doing.

Shick-Skinney? Shick-Shinney. Shik-Sinney. Shik-Sinney, Pennsylvania. Really small town. So what I was doing was very foreign. Like, nobody really understood it. I was scouted at the mall when I was in 15 and started modeling at 16.

How does that happen? You are in the mall and somebody comes up to you. So wait a minute. You were in the mall randomly. Yeah. And they were there or you heard they were there and you went. Honestly, it's so long ago now that like, we were, I just remember being like at pay less shoe store or something like that. Good.

And this woman came up to me. And it was like, oh, you should, have you ever thought about modeling? And my mom and I were like, what? No. How tall were you at this age? Tall, five, nine. You're tall, five, nine. And skinny.

Like, you know. I was five, four when I graduated high school. No, you weren't. Oh, yeah. It's not true. I was small skin in my high school. But you're tall. Well, yeah, that's probably why I had back problems because I grew like nine inches in the

in my college. That's funny. But go ahead. So you're like this tall, awkward kid. Yeah, so I got like plucked out of my town and started like, you know, going to Manhattan by myself and started traveling by myself. And it was just like. Your parents let you travel by yourself.

I mean, yeah. That was the time period, wasn't it? It was a different time. They just put you on a train and you went. Yes. As a 15-year-old girl, you went to New York. I went on a bus because there was no train that went to my small town. But I went on a bus.

And I did get picked up at Port Authority. They thought I was a runaway. Yeah, I don't. What would they do? They detain you and, like, get people on the phone. And then they finally let you go to your modeling job. How many times did it happen? Once or twice.

That just seems like it wouldn't. happen it happens yeah like they would give a shit it's crazy like I'm so grateful for it because like it made me grow up fast it made me savvy it made me take personal responsibility for what I'm doing and it made me like pretty street smart um but now that I have a kid I'm like over my dead body yeah yeah right no way different world different world but growing up you said hey you kind of like validated or made it seem like it was a good thing to grow up fast do you think growing up fast is a good thing? Well, I think before that happened, I really wasn't sure what I was going to do. Who does? Who does? And I think that that needs to be, there needs to be some attention on that

because it's a dangerous thing for kids to have this much pressure on them to know what they want to be when they grow up, what school they're going to go to for how, like, it's so much, so much pressure. And I didn't really know. And we don't really know. That's a scary place to be. So when I finally like found the thing, that took some time, I was like, fuck yeah. This is what I'm doing. Were you smart in school? Yeah, enough. Yeah, I was smart in school. I was like not a, yeah, I was kind of like down the middle. But you thought this, this is cool. I'm going to go model. No, I did not think that was cool. I was like modeling and not sure, but it was an opportunity to get out of the house and get out of my small town. And it wasn't until I was always kind of like big

and bubbly and obnoxious and annoying and like funny. Were you really? Yeah. I was always like class clownish a little bit sometimes. Right. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. So there was an actor's strike at one point in the agency I was with had an acting division. And I was always walking by the room like, do-to-do-do-do, hey. And so they were like, oh, would you like to go out on commercial auditions? And I'm like, yes, thought you never ask. So then I started going to commercial auditions. And that was such a huge difference from modeling when you're just like looking at your book and, oh, your nose is too pointy.

Oh, your butt's too big. whatever. And this was an opportunity for me to be funny and silly and goofy and they liked that about me. So I was like, yes. So most models aren't silly and goofy that you were around. You were kind of the goofy one. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. They're not like that. Models are like encouraged not to talk. Now it's different. I think like you have to have like if you're a model, you have to have like some side hustle or something else or something special about it. But at that time, it was like, you know, yeah, just stand there and look pretty like a clothing rack. Did you?

And I, the worst job for me, let's just be honest. The worst job for me would be like holding still and shutting up. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think for me too. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

But did you know, was it intimidating where other models sitting around there were kind of like looking at her like, she's not pretty. She's not blonde. She's not beautiful. She's weird. People would always say that I wasn't pretty. People, that was always like. Wait.

Who would say that? Come on. I'm not going to like. I'm not saying a proverbial who. Yeah, no. Like, who? Like, like, like, like adults, kids? You were picked on?

I wasn't that I was picked on, but I was like the other sort of thing, you know? I know, it's funny. I wasn't like, let's just be honest. I'm not like a blonde bombshell with like, you know, just a different thing. You're a dark shell. Oh, shut the fuck out. Well, you are gorgeous. That's obvious.

I'm not fishing here. I'm not fishing. I know you're not. I'm casting. Okay. But that's how come I learned to be funny. There was this girl in high school named Heather Hart. Oh, that's a good name.

And she was super tall. And every guy was just sort of like not into it. Yeah. Because she was just this tall girl. And like, she was like, skinny? Yeah. And she was doing like modeling stuff. And I remember it was like, but all of a sudden when she got older, like when she turned like 17 or whatever, I mean, every guy in the world wanted her.

So she was awkward growing up, I think. Because she was just so tall and was like, oh, my God, the tall girl and everybody else was shorter than her. And then all of a sudden, people realized they don't realize the beauty that's actually in front of them or the beauty that's going to mature into real beauty or whatever. I think that, you know, look, you know, I was one of the least popular kids in my school. Oh, really? I imagine you like being like a football quarterback, hot babe, no?

No. Okay. No. Uh-uh. Yeah, I wasn't. And, but it's funny because I think definitely people later on couldn't believe that I went as far. I mean, obviously went as far as I did. I, small town.

Yeah. Like 3,000 people in Newburgh, Indiana. Yeah. And, you know, so same sort of thing. But what happens when, hey, where are your parents at now? They're still in my, they're still in Pennsylvania. They're in Schittsville. What is it?

Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. They're in Pennsylvania. Yeah. Do you go back? Sometimes. My dad actually just came to visit. me. I've been on location for a couple of years, like nonstop now. So my dad is, um...

What are you shooting? Well, I just finished something. I just got back Sunday. I just finished Orphan Black Echoes in Toronto. And then before that, I was doing, um, love and death for HBO in Austin, which is dope. Um, so, and before that, I was in Oregon. I've just been, like, kind of all over. It's hard. It's easier for people to come to you sometimes, at least from now. Especially with a child. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, everything, the relocation is just a whole other thing now. It's not just like me and my, like, rocker t-shirts. It's like a thing.

Well, what do you do when you go back, by the way? Whenever it is, you go back. Is it something where people recognize you? I mean, yeah. It's a really small little thing. So everybody knows you. No, but it's not like you're going to see a lot of people. It's like the sticks, you know?

But if I went to like the market, sure, I'd probably run into somebody I went to high school with, yeah. Which is cool. What's the local place where everybody goes? What's it called? I honestly, I don't know. But there's like a, the one market you would go and like get stuff is like Sunray market. I would go there after school. People like, hey.

Sure. Yeah. Do you like when people come up to you and ask you for pictures or autographs or you're just uncomfortable? Because that's, how do you feel? Usually I like it. Usually I'm so grateful to have like anybody even see what I do or have an impact on people. It depends. Like some people are really cool about it.

And some people aren't that cool about it. Like it just depends on what's happening. What's a situation you remember that somebody who's just not cool? You know, when someone's like, uh, what, hey, that person said you're somebody, what are you in? I've never heard. Yes. That you don't need to bother somebody with that.

That's okay. That is one thing that pisses me. That's the one thing. I think, did I tell you about that? I was in, I was in, um, some bar mistake years ago. And I was with a couple friends and this drunk dude comes out to me and goes, Hey, I don't even know who you are, but like, you're, are you like, I don't care. Like, but my friends.

and say you're like, I'm like, why throw that bomb into somebody's life? Like, why, why ruin your night? You're having fun? Why give that, like, you know what I mean? Like, like nasty bomb. And the thing is, I want to look at them and go, fuck off. Yeah, I know, but you can't. And you can't.

And you're just like, hey, yeah, no, I'm just whatever. It doesn't matter. I'm no big deal. Yeah, I don't care. And they're like, you just want to say, do you drunk, fuck, leave me alone. Yeah. Yeah. Typically, though.

Typically. Because, like, you know, I've sort of played characters. and that have meant a lot to women. Yes. And specifically Jessica Jones. So I get a certain kind of person who wants to connect and I love that because it's one thing to like just do an acting job. Great. Love it.

But it's another thing. It's kind of so meaningful when you play a character that really resonates with women and men, you know, the way that she has. So I'm always thrilled when people appreciate the work. Obviously, anytime someone comes up to you and says they love your work, you're like, Fuck, thank you. Thank you so much, obviously. So I'm happy to do it. Unless I'm like with my little baby and like, you're busy. It's like, hey, just not right now. It's not good time. Yeah. And you have to hold that boundary too because I don't want my child's photo, you know, I'm really private about him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He is number one. But when I'm like out and about

by myself, sure, come up. I'll fucking take a selfie. Right. Let's rock. Let's do it. Yeah. Do your, are your parents really proud of you? Yeah. Yeah. I think people are pretty pretty shocked by it you know yeah like does your mom still like every time you do something go do they watch it all or some like i don't know if they watch jessica jones is really dark my dad wouldn't watch that no and you warned him i'm having sex in the first episode i didn't even i i just knew it wasn't right for it so you told him not to watch it i was okay that they didn't watch it i just whatever if they watch it cool but yeah i mean yesterday my mom texted me i guess brian cranson was just on kelly clarkson this week like talking about the big like that's scene

with me and they're sending it to me. I'm like, all right, cool. Yeah. So, do you still talk to Aaron and Brian? Yeah. I just saw Aaron at a karaoke party. I love Aaron so much. He's such a nice guy. He was nervous about karaokeing. Oh, God. And then he ended up doing it. I bet he'd be great. He was great. Yeah. But what was that experience? I mean, you were on how many episodes? I don't know. Not many. Not many. I was in the second season. Maybe like eight episodes. I don't know. Oh, then that's a lot. One episode, the following season. And how many episodes did you think you were going to be on when you first got the part. Like five. I ended up being in it more than I thought. And was it something that you, it was already hit by this point. It wasn't a hit.

It wasn't a hit at this point. It wasn't even like on the radar yet. When I took the gig, it was only a one season, seven episode show because of the writer's strike. So it was a big down and downtime in the industry. It was all slow. I really liked the part and I wanted to get it. And my agent at the time, he was really good and really smart. His name was David Letterman. I was at with a D, Letterman with a D. I was at Innovative Artists. I had another offer for something else that was more of like what I was doing,

what I was doing. And he was like, let's hang on and let's see what happens with Breaking Bad because no one knows about the show yet, but it's really good and I think you could be really cool in this role. So we held, we waited until I, until that happened. And you were so happy you got that.

Fuck yeah, because it was more like, it was like, you know, I just felt like it was more in my like, wheelhouse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because before that I was just doing a lot of like goofy, ditsy kind of comedy roles, which are fun too, but, you know. Was Vince on set? Yeah, Vince was on set or he was like, you know, what was really cool about him and those

kind of showrunners. Melissa Rosenberg is similar, very detail-oriented. And I think that that is like the key. I think when you have someone with such a true, clear vision, that's why you get some magic. Yeah. When you say detailed, was, was Vince directing that episode? No, he directed El Camino. Right.

But that episode or a few of the episodes that you did, he didn't direct, but he was there. And he's sort of like almost like Spielberg, Tobe Hooper and Poltergeist where Tobe Hooper was directing it, but did Spielberg direct it? Well, it's just kind of the thing, like just for one stupid example. Like the character is wearing a belt. They take pictures of both belts and they goes to Vince. Vince is going to choose the, you know what I mean? Yes, yes, yes. All little things, like everything mattered to him, which I think is very cool.

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I'm sorry by this point. It's right off. What was it, 2012? I don't know, yeah. Whatever. Look, you shot it. It was hard. It was probably intense.

Yeah. You know, it's so effed up. Yeah. Did you ever think that? that that scene would be a 10th as big as what it became. No fucking idea. No way. No. I didn't know any of it. When you saw it before it all came out and everybody else commented, were you like, people are going to be talking about this one?

Well, we started to, so that was the big episode that I was in and my character had a lot to do. And they started, the network started to sort of talk about the performance and like it was, the people were getting excited about it so we were invited to watch it in a room was me my managers my agent at the time is brent morley i'll never forget it and we watched it and all of us were on our feet like hands over mouths fucking energy like we were shocked we were just shocked and so moved by it and that was like the coolest fucking thing i had ever done i was like It brought your own performance, not your, but the performance, the experience brought you to your feet. First, my agent stood at his feet and I just felt him like stand up like and then kind of all of us.

And I'm kind of, you know, when you watch yourself, you have a different experience of it because I'm like, oh, when that in this moment, what was actually happening was this. So you're watching it. But then you kind of are able to just like sit back and enjoy it too. I was just so proud to be like in something cool. Right. It doesn't always have it. I know. I know.

It never happens. Never happens. Never happens. And there's so many people out there, so many actors, director, whatever, that they are capable of doing something. But the things that have to, the perfect storm of it being a great show, all eyes are on it, the right director, the right creator, the right props, the right whatever, the DP, the everything comes together to make this moment. And it's, it's, I hate to say it, but there's a lot of not, obviously, skill, but luck. There's a lot of luck for all these things to come together. Yeah. A lot of skilled people, but for that to all come together. That is just, it's miraculous. It's one of the best scenes ever on the screen, let alone TV, film it, whatever it is. It's crazy.

I can't, I mean, it's still, like, it's crazy. I feel so lucky to have been a part of something so amazing and so well done. And like, they caught lightning in a bottle. Did you continue to watch that show when you were. Yeah. I'll watch it again. I might like fast forward my scenes a little bit, you know, because I'm like, oh, what am I doing? Idiot, young. But I love the show. I mean, I feel like I could probably start watching it again tomorrow. I need a show to watch. Maybe I'll watch Breaking Bad. I think my favorite shows of all time are Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones. Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones. This is a two best house. I think that's it. Supranos is pretty great. I haven't. I've only done one season. Sure. It's pretty great, but it didn't hook you in that way. Yeah, I'll give it. I'm going to continue to watch them, but is there anything else I'm missing?

There's, there's some great shows and people listen here and go, what about this? And what about that? They'll be chiming in. Let's get the chime in. I see Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones are my two favorite shows. And then I also like on the lighter side, friends and sex in the city. That's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm a girl. Sure, sure.

No, I'm not saying they're bad. They're obviously great shows to many people. Yeah. I love them. Yeah. I'm sure they're great. They're obviously great. Look at the success.

Although there's a lot of shows that are successful that aren't great shows. That's true. Very. A lot of shows. It's weird. Yeah. Gosh. Did this, obviously, that role would you say launched your career?

100%. That little role. I wouldn't say little, but that significant role on that show launched your career. Absolutely. And you probably didn't get paid a lot. I didn't get paid a lot at all. Let's just put it that way. I mean, but it was worth every moment.

It was worth every moment. It was worth it. It wasn't, that wasn't for the money. And Netflix fell in love with you. We got to find a show for this girl. Yes, no, I don't know. Hans Jessica Jones. Yeah, Jessica Jones, yeah.

Which happened how many years after? Well, at first I did the B-N apartment 23 after. Yes, that lasted a couple seasons? Yeah, two seasons. You love that show. I do. I would do it again in a second. Why didn't it get picked up?

Why? It was a, listen, it was on ABC. It was right before things, the metrics sort of changed. Like, we got canceled for numbers that now are considered like massive hits, right? Um, it was kind of like scheduled badly. It just was kind of dragged around by a shit smeared dog. Didn't really, but it was also very edgy. We really pushed the envelope.

The writing was way ahead of its time. And it was just one of those like great little quirky shows that probably, probably served everybody better by just being two seasons. Yeah. Because it's like, you know, cult following. People love it. I love it. I will watch it and laugh at every line because the writing is so good.

Do you get upset? How do you deal with canceling? or rejection. I mean, obviously, you started a young age with rejection everywhere. Yeah, it's just part of it. So when they said, who called you to tell you apartment, the bitch from apartment 23? Yeah, that was the, that was the hardest rejection and that, whatever, it's all in the category. Because you were surprised. I was surprised, but I also loved it so much. And I knew. Yes, I cried, but I would cry before that. There were days driving home from set where I just had the best day and I would go home, I would drive home crying knowing

that it'll never be as good as this again. I had the best day. The producers on that show, let me tell you, Jeff Morton. He is a producer for Modern Family. He's done like all. He, part of his whole system is like, let's make sure the cast and the crew are rested and happy so they could be funny. Who is that?

Who is that? No one thinks that. No one thinks that. And he is so special. And I want to do another show with him so badly because he cares about people. I want to work with Jeff Morton. Jeff Morton, Jeff Morton, Jeff Morton, Jeff. I'll audition for you on.

tape. He just cared about that. And we would shoot like 10 hour days. What? Comedies. Comedies. And you know what? Oh my God. I felt so supported, so supported to like be able to push myself even further. So all I was trying to do all day was like, learn my funny lines and how do I make them even funnier? How do I improvise this thing? How do I do this little weird character thing? Because I was so supported that I was able to be like free to fucking play. See, this is an important thing you're saying. Most creators, most studios, whoever is involved in all this process of making a show, they don't realize that, and this goes not for just acting world. It goes to the entire planet of people, bosses out there. Corporations, if you treat the people well, if you support them, you'll get better and more. You'll not only get better performances and more passion and more dry. It's just going to be a better show.

Everybody's going to be happier, more joy, and they don't. They always, 90% of the time, they want to show how powerful they are. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to give you the money you deserve. I'm not going to give you the hours. You're going to work overtime. We're going to force you. We're changing this.

Who cares? You're not even not. They don't care. No. And that is really refreshing to hear that someone was that guy. He was that guy. He was that guy. And it was such a matter.

magical experience. But that was after Breaking Bad. So that was kind of like did the breaking bad thing. And at that, before that I was like working actress hustling, just, you know, whatever. And then that was when I started to like get offered things. And don't trust the B was next. And I just fucking loved it. And Jessica Jones was there something you auditioned for. Jessica Jones was something I auditioned for with like fake sides. And I was like, the material was fabulous. It was so loaded. There was so much subtext. There was so much to play and so much to do. How long did it take you to learn these lines for an audition? Oh, that takes me no time. No time. No time. But it's the work. I do like, listen, I work really hard before the day

and then get rid of it. And so when I just try to know things so well that you throw a grenade at me, I know how to handle it. Or that way you're, if you're so prepared, you know your lines. I can memorize lines really quickly. It's the subtext and the performance underneath. Like, That's where I spend most of the time. You can, like, learn five pages of dialogue right now in the next 30 minutes. Listen, I hate to be an asshole, but yes, I can. But that's not what it's about. No, it is.

No, it's not. I mean, a lot of it is. The subtext is where the work goes. No, I know what you're saying. I'm saying, though, if I could learn five pages of dialogue in a half an hour. Yeah. My life would be exponentially better. Sure.

It takes me a while to learn them. But I do what you do is I learn it inside out. So if they throw a grenade at me and let me ask you, have, has something happened or did something happen in your past that caused you to have the deepest preparation because maybe you weren't prepared early on in your career and something happened and they threw a curve ball out you and you didn't handle it as well as you thought? No, I think that just because, like, so when I was modeling, I would kind of notice that, you know, models would get set home after two seasons that they didn't hit.

So I have this like observation early, like you get one fucking shot. so success is the only motherfucking option right so I just had that in me for a long time and I always I never I always could put my head on the pillow knowing if I worked really hard and I prepared and I was ready if I didn't get the part that's okay that was always okay so for me

my superpower was like working hard discipline I'm always I can show up five minutes earlier than you you might be a better actor than me but I'm gonna like work work harder than you that was kind of like I just that was the thing that was what made me feel like I had control over my career in my life, working hard. I love that.

That's it. It was just like, how do I feel good about, like, I would never want to, like, go to an audition and, like, kind of blow it because I didn't work hard on it. If I didn't get it, okay, that's fine. There's only one. You're not going to get everything. So there's some very specific thing for every part. You are going to hear no 99 times in a row.

But if I go in and, like, do my thing and worked hard at it and do my play and that's it, go home and I had my fun. How do you, I love this. This is, this makes perfect sense. I love it. How do you, you know, are you having fun so far? Yeah. Okay, good.

I love this. This is just like rapid fire. I mean, it's just like, I'm just, I'm feeling the, the back and forth. How do you deal with an actor that isn't, hang on? Yeah. We all deal with it. It's hard. I'm sure other actors have dealt with me.

How do you deal with someone giving them respect, making them feel like you like them, making you feel like you like them as an actor, and not letting them know that you think they are not good because they're not good and you're performing with them? Does that make sense? Okay. I thought you were going to ask, like, how do you work with an actor who doesn't prepare and doesn't work hard and doesn't, like, do the things. Well, both.

That's hard for it. That's hard. that's challenging is disappointing when you have you ever said anything no I you know I I try to like lift the people up and like oh do you want to run this do you want to you know try to make it as good as possible but you know I've been pretty lucky I've had some amazing scene partners who work who do work hard and that's the most exciting part if you get a great scene partner it's a great game of tennis as you know and you're only as good as your your scene partner is I've been really lucky.

I've gotten to work with some great people who then make you better and you're like, oh, what are you doing with that? I just worked with an actor the other day on set. I guess I won't say who it is, but he was so good that I, in rehearsal, I was so caught up and I was watching him like kind of missing my cues,

which was so exciting. Because I was just like, ooh, what the fuck is he doing? I did. And we actually have the same. acting teacher. So I told her afterwards, which like, he is really good. Really good. And I got to say, it happened with David Tennant, too. Ah, David

Tenant from on Jessica Jones, yeah. Jessica Jones and then Defenders. Yes, he wasn't in Defenders, but he was in Jessica Jones, and there was one day. He's the villain. He's the villain. And there were some scenes where I was just watching him, because that was like the dynamic. There was some days where I would just watch him and be like, this guy is

fucking jazz. Just he's doing this. And then he's doing this. And it just he brings. He's that Good. So good. So good. Those are the people we want to work with. Was it intimidating or exciting? It's exciting.

It's exciting. I love it. It's just rare. It's rare. It's rare. I can't say that there have been many where I'm like enamored or oh my God. Yeah. This is I'm working with greatness.

I've got to step up. It's happened. Yeah. But it hasn't happened a ton of times. Yeah. Usually it's like, all right, let's just make this as good as we can make this. Sure. You know what I mean?

Yeah, not every, not all of them are going to be home runs, right? No, most things I do aren't home runs. And like most scenes, like, you know, the best thing about acting, I mean, what I love about it is like when you're so in a scene that you, like, are so in it and you disappear and you don't know where you stop and the character starts. It's like that moment where you are truly present. It's like that. It's like jumping waves.

It's like that namaste and fucking yoga at the end. It's those kind of things where you are so present. Everything else just goes away. And that's not going to happen in every single scene. And sometimes it won't happen for a year. Sometimes it won't happen an entire project. But when it does, and that's what you keep up back. Is there one thing that comes to you that is probably, look, let's just say there are tons of great scenes that you've done.

Great moments, great actors. But is there one that stands out in your career thus far that you go, I just remember this day being the most special in terms of like electric and the feeling of acting and the feeling of being in it? and just, and the way it turned out, or maybe not the way it turned out, but how it felt. Wendy's most important deal of the day has a fresh lineup. Pick any two breakfast items for $4. New four-piece French toast sticks, bacon or sausage wrap, biscuit or English muffin sandwiches, small hot coffee, and more.

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just finished, I definitely had a lot of opportunities to act and go there and like, was like, fuck yeah, that was, we really did it. But I don't know, I haven't seen it yet. So we don't know.

But the feeling. The feeling, I did have the feeling a handful of times on this one, which is great. But I had, and I had it a lot on Jessica Jones as well. Because I got to do that kind of writing, it's not all exposition. It is all coming from a place of character truth.

It's a psychological character study. Anytime you get like that juicy backstory and underbelly of the character, like, that's when you have the opportunities to do that. You don't all, not all characters are going to like, you know, reach the depths of whatever, who you are. And that's okay. It's also fun to just just hit your mark and say some lines. Yeah. That's also very fun. But yeah, I would say, and Jessica Jones, there was just so many.

How many episodes did you do in the first season? Um, 13. 13. You're the lead role. It's called Jessica Jones, and hence. How soon before you get all the scripts or are they coming to you as the show is continuing? On that one, they were coming as the show was continuing.

They had written the first four episodes, I believe, before I was cast, or maybe the first three. But I remember then getting the script that they had written after I was cast. And you could tell I was like, oh, wow, they're writing for me. now the question is you talk about memorizing your lines really fast that's easy but when you're working and i i guarantee you work in 12 to 14 hour days minimum oh my god minimum plus hair and makeup and travel time so how by being in the moment yeah by acting out these scenes hair and makeup

take after take all the shit on your feet all day how and when do you have time to learn the next script which is the following week here's what i do um i just said this before orphan black and i did it with Jessica Jones. So with Jessica Jones, I had the first four scripts. So I will coach with my acting teacher, Marjorie Ballanty, every single day, every single day. Every single day. Every single day before I go. Before you go. And do every, we'll do each script. We'll start back at the beginning. Well, as much material as I can get in advance. And then I sit with it. I work on the subtext. We kind of go through it. We like subtext every line. We talk about it. We try to put it. She's expensive. Yeah, but that's okay. I mean, this is an expensive. You're not talking like an

hour acting class. You're like, you dissect scripts. Oh, yes. My scripts look like a murder scene. They are covered in ink. There is not a no white is left. You know what mine is? What? Circles on my lines. Yeah. And a couple of little things. Yes. Yeah. Sure. Just notes of like different ways to do things or try things. Next time you have a next time you get an opportunity, go coach with Marjor. See, it'll bring out a whole other. Here's the thing. Oh, I will. Even rolls where I'm like, this is my bread and butter. This is what I can do in my sleep. I don't need to coach. I'll coach with her. She will always find something because two heads are better than one. It's just a support. It's support. Okay. Continue. So you're working on these scenes. I work on it. Exhaust it and I finish it and basically could then set it on fire. And then I will not

even look at the schedule. I won't look at anything. Oh, this is what we're doing today. Got it. For the first four episodes. Yes, that for that. Unless something changes. Unless something changes. And then on Orphan Black, the Forfe Black, the Egos, I had the first five or six. So then that's a long time. But what happens when the fourth episode's over and you're now doing the fifth and there's no Marjorie? Well, because I have done so much work that this character is now in me, I will know how to do it. I will know how to handle it. That's kind of like what the process is for me. And so do you pick up a script while you're shooting?

Yeah, but I pick up a one. Oh, yeah. When the script comes out, I'll read it and kind of just like know what to do. Yes, exactly. They'll just start bit by bit learning it. Yeah. And it's about 40 or 50 pages. Yeah.

Yep. And by the time you're shooting it, you're ready to go. I'm ready to go. But you don't memorize the scene the night before. If I don't know it, I will ask sometimes, like, if we're really in the machine of it, and I'm like, oh, where are we? I ask for my scenes for the next day to be printed at lunch. So if they're, I can get a refresher. I'm like, oh, right, right, right.

And go back to my notes, whatever I need to do. I'm like, so I'm ready. So you usually rely on the director and, you usually rely on the director and, you, you know, sort of the creator of a project if by chance you get this pages the night before and you've kind of learned them you know them but you're like oh i haven't had as much time as i usually like to prep on a scene and work it out that i'll i'll work it out i trust the process that in the scene i'll find it it depends on the context like if it's a real scene no real scenes like i will do all the things but if it's a thing we're like oh we're going to like walk down a hallway and like hit a couple

Marks. Then, yeah, I'm like, okay, hopefully the director has a great shape in mind already. Gotcha. Yeah. But if it's like a real scene, I'm going to come in with ideas as well. Right. Or like, oh, I saw it like this. How can we figure it out? Because you always, you know, it's hard. It gets harder now too with like such time constraints. Like on rehearsals, it's like, hurry up and throw marks down. Where it should be, let's like make sure we're actually filming something that's worth filming. Yes. And you know what? You said something there. Have you ever had where they're trying to rush. And we got to get done with. I remember you and I. Okay. Me and you, whatever, I'm not great in grammar. We were shooting that pilot that never did anything. And we're sitting in a car and they're really stressed.

Yeah. And it's outside and they're like, all right, blah, blah, blah. And I, do you remember me just going, or maybe it was you? One of us go, guys, hey, let's, we got to get this performance and we got to get, something like relax here. We got to get this. We can't just rush through it. It's making everybody stressed out.

Yeah. Do you remember that? I don't remember it. do remember that and everybody was kind of like oh yeah you're right take take a beat yeah yeah let's just do what we have to do here yeah have you ever had to do that um I think you know once in a blue moon if you can't like figure out a scene if you can't block it it's if it's something's not working we got to take a second we got to like see what where the issue is how can we fix it and let's fix it let's make it let's all make the best thing that we can possibly make yeah um so sometimes that

comes up and that's just part of it. Yeah. Yeah, but ideally, what I try to do is when I like get the scripts, if I'm like, if anything feels eggy or if I'm like, this I know isn't going to work because I know how it all goes. I'll talk to the writer in advance. Have a call, send her an email. Yeah. Let's suggest this first so we don't have egg on our face on the day so we don't waste production's time. Do you ever think, I don't know what that's going to look like. I don't know if we got that. But any, moving on. Yeah, sure. Like, when you're doing, like, think about, you're doing like, a hundred scenes. Like, not all of them. Yeah, sure. Right. And some, yeah, yeah. Oh, we got that in the can. It'll be fine. Sure. Okay. Okay. Moving on. Charlie Cox is back as

Daredevil. Danofia's back is Kingpin. I worked with Donofrio. Amazing guy. Any chance that you'll be back as Jessica Jones. I have no idea. I have no idea. No idea. But I hope so. I hope so. I think that people love, people love Jessica. I know because I live it. And so. Do you think there's a good chance? I honestly, I don't know. And like, Marvel doesn't, they're so secretive. I don't know. I'm just putting it out there that, of course, I would be there in a second.

I'd have my boots and jacket on ready to rock. Speaking of that, you kind of, did you create the look? Yes, and I ruined it for myself. Because it created a whole look for people. I know. And I'm like, shit, I can't wear my regular clothes anymore. The leather jacket look. Yeah, yeah.

I loved, yeah, she looked so fucking cool. Yeah. I think you have a lot to do with almost every time. I think the actor should. Yes. But you, like, even for nightbooks, working with our lovely autumn who I adore and so hugely talented. But like you worked very close with her to get that look of what you both wanted.

Yes. It is very, I am very, very collaborative and very hands-on with the costume designer always. Because, you know, I sort of always start my characters at home with like a physicality or a walk. And then like it's the clothes, it's the, hey, all of that creates the character. It's not like, here, now you're going to wear this. It's like a real creation from the ground up And I breathe all that life into it

And I need that. And so yeah, the costume on Jessica Jones For sure, like I spent fucking little all of it. Again, quickly, And David Tennant, I know, he's a genius. He's a great actor. Everybody loves him.

There's such a sensation for Doctor Who. I've never seen Doctor Who. Have you seen it? No, but my, let me tell you something. There is. And I've seen it because I've traveled with him and holy shit. And also when my manager, Kyle, I don't know if you've ever met him, but my manager, Kyle, found out that David Tennant was getting the role.

We're sitting in the director's office, S.J. Clarkson, Jessica Jones, looking at the mood boards and the shot list and all of that. And we're like, oh, who's going to play Kilgrave when she told us? And Kyle made sounds that I have never heard him make before because he is such a Doctor Who fan. He was, like, more excited that David Tennant was going to be in the show than when I got the role. And then going to Comic-Con with him and traveling with him, he's like, he's the favorite doctor. People love David Tennant. And it's rightfully so because the guy is not only, not only is an amazing heavyweight actor. He's so lovely and so delicious and just like so fun.

I just adore him. Is he in England? Yeah, he's Scottish, but he's probably, I don't know where he is. He's Scottish. Yeah. He's got that great Scottish accent. Take a body or apple. Let me take a bite of my apple.

God, so fast. God, I'm so fast here. You know what? X gets a square. I always finish my jobs fast. You do, don't you? Yeah. Well, no, I'm not saying it's just like it could be any time, but I don't, I don't do more than an hour.

I just don't like it. I just don't. We've talked about great stuff. This is great. Sure, sure. So you got Orphan Black, the sequel. Orphan Black echoes. Echoes coming out.

How many episodes? That's 10 episodes on. On AMC. On AMC. Yep. And love and death on HBO. And you're the lead on that? No, I'm not the lead in that.

I'm the lead of Orpah Black Echoes. I'm not the lead in love and death. What was the hardest series you've worked on? Jessica Jones? Yeah, yeah, that was pretty hard, but in a good way. I'm not, I've, on all good things about that one. That was so fun. Do you sleep well?

Fuck no, do you? No. No, I do not sleep well. How do you do it then? You know what? I just keep rocking. I just fucking power through. I don't know.

How old are you? How old are you? I'm 50. I am not 50. You're like 36 or something. sure well it says on the line doesn't it yeah but who cares i'm just saying how do you not how do you never ask a woman or age yeah the only reason i said that is because how do you not sleep and able to just keep rocking and roll i don't know i have i don't know and you don't have any bags into your eyes

i should because i haven't slept and you have a child yeah and you can do lead series so you're doing lead lead roles you're taking care of being the best mom whispering in here in his ear how awesome he is and how proud of you and a child and the lead role and looking great and not sleeping. It's an anomaly. You're an alien. I am tired. I'm not going to lie.

I'm very tired. I don't know. I just keep fucking going like a shark. And the defenders. You love doing the defenders. That was so fun. Because it's all the superheroes with like a lighter schedule. And they're doing a lot of stunts.

So we were all sitting around just like shooting the shit. We had so much fun. It was like me. It was so fun. because I love Charlie Cox so much and I love Mike Colter so much and Finn was heaven. Like we just had the best time

just laughing all day. What's your favorite movie? Of all time. Yeah. Fuck. First thing it comes to mind is the Lost Boys, but there's so many more. Greased dirt dancing.

I had Kiefer and Jason Patrick on podcast. Pitter, pitter, pitter. They were awesome. They were great. I love that movie. Let's soundtrack. I asked them about Julia Roberts. And?

You know the whole thing? The scandal. Yeah, what happened? What do you say? They answered it. They were just like, I go, Kiefer, you know, he took off with your,

ex-fiance that you're about to get married to Italy and is your best friend. And how did you ever, how are you guys sitting here right now? He's like, yeah, well, you know, we're friends, man. And time. And, you know, it's my buddy. I'm like, all right. No, he was cool about it. You know what?

That's why I liked David's movie Nightbooks so much. I love nightbooks. I love nightbooks. I went to the screening. It was cold at the screening. It was outside. I froze my balls off. But I'm glad I was there.

And it was great. It was such an adventure. sure and I think he did such a great job and I'm such a great job you were great in that nightbooks on Netflix guys I loved it I had such a good time doing that show it was my first gig back after having my son they love they adored you I don't know anybody who doesn't like working with you I'm I like to be at work so it's that's that's fun and infectious some you know I've only been on like one set that was like really miserable but most of the time I try and like you know rally and try to like you're easy going I try to be but it's because I

work hard and I'm confident in it. You know, my brother and I always talk about my father. You know, he was tough. He was tough on us and like many fathers can be, I guess. But we always said that he loved the people he worked with more. Sure. We always said that the people at work, he treated the best, that he loved the most. He loved being around the most. That was his world. Uh-huh. What did he do? He worked in pharmaceuticals. Okay. They didn't take them. But, you know. Yeah. So I guess I'm trying to the analogy. is like, is work what you love the most. Yeah, work is what I love work.

And then the real life is kind of like, your real life is work almost. Yeah. The work is your life when you do that kind of like. When you love your work like that, it's a rarity. It's such a big, full, immersive experience that it is your life.

And, yeah, it is your life. Do you remember doing Gilmore girls? Did you like it? Totally. You did. Yeah, it was one of my first gigs. I was basically paying to be on that show. Really?

Yeah, because I auditioned for it when I was like in L.A. one day, but I was a New York actress. And then it shot in San Diego. So I'm like getting myself to San Diego for like a day rate. Somebody said that this could be hearsay. It's probably not even true. I don't even know. But somebody said that the girls didn't get along real well. I was only on the last season.

So I did not see that. You didn't see a lot of the ship. I didn't see any of it. It seemed great. I don't know anything. I didn't experience that at all. I had a good time there. And it was a weird little gig because I was barely in it.

But it got a lot of attention. And that is a show that people love and stands the test of time. And it was just like one of my cute, like, early gigs. I like it. All right. This is rapid fire with patrons. They're going to, you just answer fast. Sure.

Top tier patrons asking questions. Go to patreon.com slash inside of you. Thank you. Here we go. The last two episodes. I don't know how they're going to air, but I didn't ask questions because it was just too involved. Stone Age, she made you laugh the most on the set while filming. She's out of my league, one of my favorite movies.

T.J. Miller. He was very funny. Everyone. You know who else? Nate Torrance. Really? Oh, my God, he was so funny. Jay Barrichelle's pretty funny, too. It was a really, oh, and Jeff Stoltz was in it, too.

And I had a great one. They all made you laugh. They all made me laugh. And Alice Eve and I had so much fun. It was so, we were all 26 years old. We were all staying in a hotel in Pittsburgh, getting into trouble. we had the best time. Wow.

Nico, any plans for your novel before Bonfire to get made into a film? Yeah, so it's a long process and it hasn't happened yet. It was optioned and sort of, we'll see, I hope so. I am working on another follow-up to it, which will be announced shortly. Really? I am. What's Bonfire about? Bonfire is a psychological thriller.

Would you play the lead? Well, I might be getting too old to play it now. Now, next one, I'm going to make sure the character is like a grown-up. You could still play in your late 20s. Thank you. Especially if you sleep. Yeah, yeah, thank you. Nathan Jay, I'm so excited for Orphan Black spinoff.

Are you playing multiple characters, too? Is it connected to the original? It is not really connected to the original, but it is tangential to the original. It's set in that world. So I think fans of the original are going to be like into it, but it's not like you have to watch it to step in. I can't say much more beyond that at this point, even though, like, I know what it's coming out.

Is it dark? It is, it's pretty fucking, it's cool. It's like, it's pretty, yeah, it's dark and cool and edgy and rock and roll and science fiction and fucking, yeah, it's cool. All right. Raj, what is your most prized possession besides your little boy? Besides my little boy. I love my Gibson Hummingbird.

Do you play guitar a lot? Yeah. I have a beautiful guitar that I love. I also, I really like my car. like, um, uh, you do like your car. You thought you dented it at my house. Yeah, I know, but well, we, I'm not going to mention your car. Okay, okay. Yeah, I do. I like my car because it's like where now as a mom, that's where I go to like blast my music really loud and like have quiet alone time. It's like my office. I got to make calls and go into the car. I love her. I love

you. Leanne, don't trust the bee in apartment 23 is one of my all time favorite shows. What's your favorite moment from that show? I, my favorite moment from Don't Trust the Bee is the episode where, called sexy people where Chloe takes over People magazine. Never have I had more fun since then even. Really? Just the most delicious. It was a psychotic character playing a character. Who do you want to work with?

Like what's the top five people you come to mind that you're like, I want to work with this person. I've always watched them. I've always. Oh my God. I don't even know where to start. Like I, you know, you want to work with like people who are really like have a lot of pride in their work and are really fun and people that work hard. Strip, Gary Oldman.

Everybody, yes, I would love to work with Meryl Streep and Gary Oldman. Of course, all of them. Everyone that's on your list, I would like to work with them, too. What's the biggest director you've worked with? Tim Burton. What was with Tim Burton? Big Eyes. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Yeah. I would love to work with him again in another capacity. You know what? Yeah. The guys created Smallville, Alan Miles, created Wednesday. Oh, get the fuck out. I don't know why you're not on there as some kind of cool character.

Just put me in the background. I'm going to be. Tell them. Tell them, put me in the background. No, you could be like her aunt. I should totally be. She's like 20. You could be your aunt.

Yeah, I should be like the grown-off one or whatever. Can you totally see that? Please call them. If they have a spin-off called Wednesday, 10 years later. You fucking call them right now and you tell them I'm available. Hold on, watch this. And I will. No, hang on, hang on.

I'm there. It would be like, you know, okay, so can I tell you one story? When I was 12 years old, I got, I started a new school. 12 years old 13 going into seventh grade right new school have to walk to the bus station I've got my like long black hair my guns and roses shirt whatever I get on the bus these kids have never met me before and they're singing da-na-na-na-na-da-na-na-na-na-da-na-na-na-the-mother the motherfucking kids were singing but I could totally see that yeah I know now it makes sense but at the time it was pretty crushing oh he's in the zoom room with probably Tim Burton right now you tell him

and I just said on with Kristen Ritter hop on if you can because I will tell him live on the podcast. Dude, you make this happen for me and I'm going to buy you a steak dinner. I would do it. You're a friend. I would do it anyway. I'm going to do it. Okay, fine.

I wish more people would do that for me. I'll do it for you. This has been too fun, isn't it? This is fantastic. I'm not kidding. I thought this is going to be good. She's cool. She's, you just, you just, you're a spark.

I love it. I love talking to you. It's great. Me too. I had so much fun. I hope it's not how people like your podcast. I don't think it's, this is a boring episode. Why would this be boring?

I don't know. And you see how we, you know, we ended up talking about, the one thing we didn't talk about is like something, she's eating an apple, let it go. Oh, right. That's probably annoying. No, it's not. I'll move my head away. Yeah.

But you talk a little bit about, you know, the anxiety that you get is usually when you have to do press and all those things. Yes. But I find a way to use it. Ages ago, I heard a TED talk about how to like use your nervousness as like your superpower. And I tried to reframe how I thought about it. and then that whole thing was like okay what's the worst that's going to happen are you're going to throw up you're going to faint so what and that really helped me kind of get through it like right

who cares if I throw up it's embarrassing it's embarrassing people are going to talk about it whatever so you really don't deal with a lot of anxiety throughout life and mostly sometimes I do it depends on what's going on like sometimes I absolutely do and anxiety I mean like you really you're tingling you're like I don't know what to do absolutely I have had periods of like intense intense, intense anxiety. And it's like, you know, the weight of the world or whatever, like, shit's going on. You're not sleeping, like, all of that stuff. Compounding.

I'll get some anxiety for sure. And it'll manifest in physical. But you never got on any meds or any Xanax or anything like that. You've never. No, but I tackle it. I tackle it like with whatever, all the things that you do. Meditation exercise. Meditation, exercise, nutrient dense food, juices.

Like, do, just do whatever you can to fill up your cup. that's it. That's, I try. And so when I get to it, like, oh, I'm in rough shape right now, what can I do? Okay, let's meet, let's reach out to friends. Let's see a therapist. Let's go work out. Book the trainer. I ask my trainer, I'm like, what days do you have available? Copy, confirmed. I'll be there. Just say yes. Diet, I think is huge. Eat well. I mean, sometimes my diet's not great. I love, like, pizza and pasta and hamburgers. But I love, like, hobbies. And so I'll throw myself into a hobby, whatever. Are you athletic? Um, what do you think?

I'm not going to answer that. I'm pretty tall and gangly. So I'm like, sportsy. How tall are you? Five nine. You're still five nine since you were 15. You're five nine. I might be a little hair more five nine and a half.

Yeah. Interesting. Well, that's very informative. Why? What? That I'm still five nine. No. Just the whole anxiety thing.

Yeah, yeah. No, it's good. It's very good. It's very good. So, yeah, I have anxiety. I use it when I can. I try to use the nervous energy. I try to use it.

just like reframe how I stress out about it whenever possible. I'm not an expert, but I do like try my best and I do like keep going. Are you really good at comforting people, making people feel okay? Yes, absolutely. I'm a, yes, I'm a good friend. Do you follow your own advice? Yes. And sometimes like I don't, I try to like not always give advice. You know, you want to like hold space and acknowledge and validate. And I kind of do those things because like that's what I want to. Yeah. How do you help people that don't want to help themselves? I don't, if people don't want to help themselves, I don't really have a lot of those kinds of things.

But listen, I'm a person who likes to go deep and communicate and, like, have emotional connections and, like, really talk about what's going on, like, get really in the room. And so, yeah, I think I'm a good friend because fucking, like, let's talk about it. There it is. Kristen Ritter. This has been awesome. You can finish your apple. And I have a salad in the fridge.

going to take that with you or eat it whatever it's hungry it's good yeah i do because i am busy and like i do really i really appreciate when people give me food well because i have a kid too yes you know what i mean so there's no one i'm like a mom i'm on the run i'm working i'm taking care of a kid when somebody offers me food you take it or says like oh that must be really hard i'm like oh like this a little bit of support you probably haven't ate anything but this juice here today uh this is my i've eaten the apple and the juice that's it today so you're probably hungry Yeah. All right.

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