Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Leslie Jordan: From Dance Floor Drugs to Daily Gratitudes

Episode Date: July 6, 2021

The iconic and always fabulous Leslie Jordan (Call Me Kat, Will and Grace) joins me this week for an incredible podcast chronicling the ups and downs of his personal life and how they translated into success in this industry. Leslie and I discuss his prior drug and alcohol addiction and how recovering from those illnesses shaped his career into what it is today. We also talk about his new album and book, working with Eddie Veder and Dolly Parton, and Leslie’s time working on American Horror Story and Will and Grace. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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He's also got millions and millions of followers. His following has just exploded, hasn't it, Ryan? Yeah, all of a sudden, he found a place on Instagram. He's got more followers than anybody I know. I mean, really, I mean, people just love watching his TikToks and his Instagram. I hope I'm not vivacious when I'm, you know, in my 60s. I don't think I am now. But he really tells it all.

He does. He's got a book out. He's pretty magnificent. He's just a little ball of fun, a little ball of fun. And very likable, a likable guy. And I think you're going to really enjoy this. And he talks about everything. So why don't we just get into it?

Let's get inside of Leslie Jordan. It's my point of view You're listening to inside of you With Michael Rosenbaum Inside of You Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum Was not recorded in front of a live studio audience You like recording in your bedroom I noticed, Leslie.

This is where the action happens. That bad ain't say no action That's not true. You have a love. love life, don't you? I do. I don't talk about it. It's a long, long, five-year affair. It's insane and crazy, and I'm not allowed to talk about it because you would faint. I could whisper it to you, but... So you've had a hot, flaming, loving relationship for five years that's been pretty intense that you can't talk about. It's like a Vanity Fair article waiting to happen.

Does the other person, is he just, he won't let you say anything he doesn't want it out there? He's just very, you would know, with his job and everything, he's got a very, very high-pressure job and stuff. And it's more about that. All right. We really can't go there. Well, I'm glad that you're fulfilled. You seem like you're, you know, you're fulfilled, I guess. I'm fulfilled, very fulfilled.

Everything, you know, I lay in bed at night and I can't, I want to make a list. I'm perfectly happy with who I am, what I am. I have no worries, none, my family, you know, the funnel ring and my identical twin sisters was like, Mother's got to go in the hospital and get, they're going to, they're going to shock her heart. I said, what? Well, it's not even a really bad procedure. I just talked to her, and they do, they go in and just shock it, get it back on rhythm. And it's not that big a deal.

And I got her to laugh. I said, well, you shocked me for years and blah, blah, blah. So, you know, 87-year-old mother in good health, family and good health, a couple of dollars in the bank. You know, it's just what can you ask for? Well, it's funny because we have a segment we just started called, well, it's like your books called How You All Doing, but we have a segment called How You Doin. And it's a mental health check-in, and so you kind of answer that you feel like mentally, mentally you feel pretty damn good. I do. And I have not always been that way. I've had drug problems.

I've had, you know, I look back on my drug years and alcohol years, started at 14. It was an easy, I remember the first thought when I got high, how easy it was to be gay. How, you know, how, first of all, I had never used drugs and I'd always been kind of awkward. And it was that I had this secret, but it wasn't the kind of thing that I needed to worry about. I don't think people would have cared, even back then. When I ended up telling people in high school, I said, listen, I've got a deep secret. I'm gay.

And they're like, yeah. And the secret is you're like a gay murderer. Is there more to this secret? Yeah. And so, but anyway, when I finally, you know, came to terms with, that it was like I um I knew you know I just didn't have any problems with it it's weird you know I fell out of the womb I landed in my mother's high heels and so I've always been you know comfortable with myself and that was this other little thing so anyway how old are you how old

are you Leslie 66 and you're so vibrant I see you dancing your ass off on the Instagram and by the way 66 isn't old you're not old but 66 is still For someone to be dancing around and having as much fun as you are. I think people, it's pretty obvious. I think they're envious. They're like, they want your life, especially at your age. People say, God, how could this guy be so happy? Well, here's my mantra.

Happiness is a choice. Happiness is a habit. And happiness is something you have to work for. And I work really hard. I know that I have problems with sugar. So I eat right. you know i know that i have problems you know i eat right i exercise it's either the mirror i was gifted with this wonderful thing called the mirror which is a huge life-sized mirror

they put me through my paces and i fuss at them they can't hear him he says do one more i say fuck you no i know you're talking about like i have one that's an echelon where they sit there and they talk to you and they go all right five more reps and you can sit there and you can sit there and say what you want because obviously they can't hear you. But I either do my mirror or I swim. I love to swim. I just did 10 laps. You know, I do something.

I eat right. I sleep. I decided when I was 60 years old that at 6 o'clock, the curtain goes down. And all my friends go, what do you mean? I go, exactly what I said. And I mean it. And they go, no, no, no. We're going to go have dinner.

No. I'll have lunch. 6 o'clock, the curtain goes down. I'm getting ready. By 9 o'clock, everything. things unplugged 10 o'clock down you know i i sleep and i can sleep 10 hours so wow i mean you can really turn off i have to work at it it's not going to happen you turn your shit off you turn all your electronics off like they're done an hour before you go to bed or something yeah i have to

because you could be addicted to that i turn the tv off i turn anything off i turn i wander and then i get you know, get ready to get into bed and I've usually got a book I'm reading. And you know what else? I'm very, very lucky in that I do not know the feeling of loneliness. I'm not lonely ever. Really? I felt it when I was younger,

but as I've gotten over especially, you know, I talk to friends and then, I just get so lonesome. I want somebody. I don't. I got somebody. Well, that's the difference. You got somebody. That's why they're lonely. They don't have it. anybody if they're lonely and you're like well i'm not lonely because i have someone well he adores

me and i adore him but we're in separate cities so right you said happiness is a habit so are you saying how you create what what is that what does that mean it means that you make a habit of it you know in other words if you wake up every morning and say shit what is it if you create good habits if you get up in the morning and say okay how can i make this a great day what you know i've got this to do. I got this to do. I don't want to do this, but I got to do it. Well, you got to do it. You know, and you make a habit of not, you know, not going there. And you make a habit of getting up and smiling and saying hello to people and, you know, just all that bullshit. A little merry sunshine. This little merry sunshine. But I try to make a habit of being happy. That's what I want to be.

just like you want to have a habit of yeah no i think it's important and then it'll just kind of happen that's where you'll go you're grateful you go to bed you say your gratitude you're grateful for the thing that's another word that's what they teach us and recovered i'm 22 months you know off the sauce and that's that's part of it alcohol alcohol no alcohol and no drugs and no cigarette is a big part of it you know that's hard to get off that stuff isn't that hard was it very difficult for you to get off that? 12 days in the men's central jail. That's all it took.

In the men's central jail, what happened at the jail that you decided I can't do this anymore? I was sitting there and the judge had said, I'm going to give you, if you mess up, I'm going to give you 120 days and I messed up. And I showed up back in there and I got 120 days in the men's central jail. and I was, you know, people think that it's, I don't know, I had a friend, a gay friend and said, was it erotic? No, erotic!

Did you see people showering, like mean prisoners? I go, no, I saw ugly, fat people, nasty, ugly, horrid people. And it wasn't funny, and it's like the playground, and they were mean to me. But, you know, it's what happened. after I got a jail that made the big difference. I got it. I did my time. When I got out, I got

my first job, and it was on Caroline in the city. I remember the show. And I had never worked completely sober. I mean, not that I was ever really loaded at work, but I was either coming off of some weekend bender or looking for.

Anyway, I went to my sponsor at the time, and I said, listen, and I don't know how to work. I don't know what to do. He said, okay, I'm going to tell you something. You show up to be of loving service. I said, that's a bunch of pamphlam. That's bullshit.

What about a hippie? I'm going to show up of loving service. I'm going to show up with flowers. He said, no, no, no. Now listen to me. I want you to show up and be of service to your director. this means that you have your lines learn this means that it's his project

it's his story he is the director you as an actor allowed to bring things you know on board but you are of service to a director you're of service to producers therefore you are on time you don't make waves you know you show up

you're a worker among workers ugh I said you're of service to your fellow actors, which means you don't steal the show. He gave me this whole list. So I show up and I, and the first day I got through, this little tiny script supervisor, I wish I could remember her name. She whispered in my ears.

She said, a little bird told me you're getting sober. She said, I've 35 years. If you need any advice or anything, you come my way, sit by me. I thought, wow. I said, well, I'm supposed to be of service. She goes, yeah, yeah, I know. I know. So I was of service for Carolina in the city,

and I'm telling you it changed the way I worked today. I don't think about it today, but people use me over and over because I don't make waves. I show up. I have my lines learned. I, you know, I'm an actor among actors. I do my job, and directors know that they can rely on you. They can rely on you.

That was probably the biggest gift getting sober gave me. You know, you don't think, like that when you're, you know, so when you're not sober. Were you more ornery or did you, did you ever get angry when you were drinking? Because you look like someone who doesn't get angry at all. No, I do. And I'll tell you one, it's, it's all chemical, sugar, the blood sugar, and the alcohol, get your blood sugar going and I am the life of the party.

And my friend can do, he said you will turn on a dime. he said, you'll turn on me like a mother-in-law. I said, what do you make? He said, we'll be just talking and all of a sudden you'll go, hey, listen, it's not always about you. And every time we are drinking, my friend will say, let's say we go through this every time, we promise me, I go, no, no, no, I don't want to fight.

I just want you to know that it's not always about you. And I would fight, fight, fight, fight. And then I drank in a bar down on Santa Monica Boulevard, a rough old bar because I liked rough old boys back then, you know, the kind you pay to go home with. It was rough. And they used to say you can always tell when Leslie's work, and there's not a boy on the boulevard. They didn't have on brand new tennis shoes.

And the guy Benji, that was the bartender, as I would hit him. I had a temper. Slap him right across. Wait a minute. So you like these tough, big guys, and you'd come at them, and a lot of times they didn't want anything to do with you,

and you'd still come at them? Well, we'd be happy. We were talking, you know, about something, and then it would just turn. I don't know. And I'd smack them, like a girl would smack, you know. And Benji would grab me

before the guy could get to me and lock me in the, where they kept the beer in the back. I got a time out. I had to sit back. You just looked for trouble. You were looking for trouble. I was looking for trouble.

And Benji said I'd knock on the door and opened it about this. So I said, Benji, he could get in there. No, you're not, can't come out yet. And he said, I go, I love you. Did you ever pay Benji a visit after you got sober just to say, hey, I got somebody? No, but I see him. He doesn't work there anymore. It's not, it's not even there.

Hunters is right next to the avocado hamburger place that's so famous. It's Sweetser, I think. On Santa Monica Boulevard, there's Fat Burger. That was the corner right there. That was the corner right there. There was hunters and all those old rough bars. We're talking the 80s. We're talking about it, too.

We're talking a long, long time ago. And that's when the boys worked the boulevard. See, they would work the boulevard. They had crack habits. so they had to turn a trick to get their crack. And so they were very busy. You know, it's a busy, busy time. Hey, do you, let me ask you, do you think people, obviously they look at you and they're like,

oh my God, this guy's hysterical. He's so funny. We got to hire him. You get hired to do all these funny roles. Is there a part of you that wants to do more drama? Do you think you could handle something really dark and something where you just are completely the opposite of who people think you are? I do.

I had a professor in college who was really rough on me. He told me later on, I couldn't understand why it was so rough on me. It wasn't rough on everybody else. And I couldn't do anything wrong, you know. And he finally pulled me aside after the four years, and he said, do you know that you're capable of genuine artistry? No, I do not know that it was where you are.

with that good of an animal but you are so lazy I have never seen an actor as lazy as you and no matter how hard I've tried we're going to end up on some sitcom and you're going to do really well but no one will ever know. Wow.

And I thought wow when I was hired to do the American Horror story the first season I didn't know Jessica lying I didn't know anything I showed up on set down in New Orleans

and I had flown. I wasn't even in L.A. I was on another job. So I just kind of flew in real fast. And I turned around and they said, Leslie, have you met Jess? And I said, Jess. I laughed in her face.

I said, oh my God, Jessica, no way. No way. No way. Yes, like, why? I said, I can't work. I said, you play that. You're the 9-1. She goes, yeah.

Oh, my God. I said, well, Sarah Paulson shows up. I said, yeah, Sarah Poles. I said, it's like a kindergarten where there's two apples and an orange. Were you just excited? Well, I remember thinking what my professor told me, and I thought I know how to work. I know how to work. I can do this.

And I buckle down, you know. And I pulled it out of my ass. And, you know, Ryan Murphy has used me over and over and over. Not really big parts, but boy, he'll stick me in when he needs that kind of comedic relief, but still serious. Love to murder me. Oh, I can't tell you. Right. That's murdered me.

But we, that's when I figured out, you know, that that's, because I'm the funny guy that comes in with the zinger. You know, like on Will & Grace. That's my job. I've done it. I want an Emmy doing it. You did. I got that in there. I do it.

I do it. But I'm really privileged to have someone like Ryan Murphy. My friend Del Shores writes things for me. Every once in a while, you know, somebody will think outside the box. And there's one out there. I want to be like Mickey Rooney playing that mentally challenged guy, you know, or something in his late 70s. Something's going to come along where people are going to go, oh, my work. I've got it in me.

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You should have had a mustache when you sang at the Granol Opera in that blue suit. That would have been sweet. You believe that just came out of the sky. That was just unbelievable. I was asked, it started out here in L.A. I was asked to do the cover of a magazine called Alpha that's fairly new. And so there was this wonderful crystal, wonderful stylist that started just putting things

on me, put that blue suit on. But it didn't have any of the Krupaimon. You know, it had none of that. It was just a blue suit. She told me it was from Gucci. And so I believed her. And then later on, I was telling everybody in Nashville, you know, this is a Gucci. She said, I was kidding.

This is not a Gucci. It's a Wrangler. But anyway, so she, during the middle of that, I was asked to sing at the Great Holbrody because I had been doing Sunday hym singing with my friend Travis Howard. Yeah. And Mike Lotus produced it for us and Danny Myrick. And it got to be really big. We just sang these old Southern teams in the studio every Sunday.

So we threw together an album called Company's Coming, which got released. and we made a list of everybody who won't sing with from Eddie Vedder to Dolly Parton and they all said yes so here we went so we've got I've got an album out right now called Company's coming

I've got a duet with Eddie Vedder is going to win a Grammy wait wait whoa you have a duet with Eddie Vedder and are you singing a hymn we're singing an old hymn it's not a hymn it was written

in the format of a hymn It was written for Eddie. It's called He Who Hideth Me. And it's about this sort of universe. You can call it God. You can call it whatever. Whatever it is, we'll take. He, will he, she, whatever, will hideeth me.

We'll take care of me. It's the most beautiful song you have ever. You can hear it right now. We released it last week. All right, guys, listen. You got to listen to this. How do you not want to hear Leslie Jordan with Eddie Vedder? You have to get this immediately.

I know I am right after this. Leslie Jordan with Dolly Parton. I mean, how are you not starstruck when you meet Dolly Parton? Well, you're beyond starstruck because the first thing you think that she might be a little bit of a joke or something. She's as smart as a whiff. She's as smart as a whip and she looks right at you and talks to you. And she's everything you think she would be. That little tiny wife and that butt, she's got this little book.

This is a little Dolly Parton, bud. She's 75 years old and looks like a million dollars. And she has been Dolly since the 50s. You know, all these girls have changed their hairdos and their hairstyles and put the skirts up, the skirts down, this, that, not dolly. She found her look, and she's been with it. And she's so smart and so good. You know, they're just people that are just good.

She's still, to this day, at 75 years old, still can sing. I told her, I said, Dolly, I went and saw you in 1973. She said, you did, not you made that up. I said, no, I did. I said, I live in Chattanooga, Tennessee. You were up in Sevierable, Tennessee. You sang at the high school auditor. And she said, that was the year Jolene came out,

and I did sing at the high school auditorium. But you weren't there. You made that up. And I said, okay, I'm going to give you opening line. Hey, everybody. I'm Dolly Parton. what's a country girl without her haystack because you hit your hair right she said you were that you were but what's it like when you're singing with her when you're well you don't get to sing

anymore with people because of COVID I don't know if it's the future of the recording industry but you lay your track down right the closest I got was to tanya on one of my songs I got tanya or we were in the studio, but we were separated by glass. I didn't get anywhere near Eddie. He was in Hawaii and laid his down there. I didn't get anywhere near Randy Carlisle. Well, hang on a second.

Do you lay your vocals down first and then they go in? Or was it vice versa? The reason that we do that, I think, is so that they can, because they're the better singer, I think, really. They can do more with harmony and this and that. But there's a lot of going back and forth. like, I'll go back in.

Dolly, talk the whole time. Well, in this way, don't you love this, Leslie? And I had to go back in and answer her. She talked, and then she goes, The Cove Cano's Lamb's Land. I'm on my way. And then she talked, she took, Lacey, this is so much on these hymns make me feel good.

And blah, blah, blah, blah. But her whole family sang on my song on my album. My album's going to win a grand. And wait a minute. And so she'll talk. Then you go back in the studio and you have to write something that sounds kind of conversational. Well, I have to just answer her, answer whatever she said or what, it's amazing what those

engineers can do, man. Wow. They can find that one, there's a lot of auto tune going on. Dolly even said to me at one time, Dolly said, now listen, when I can't, when my family and I were doing this, there's one where I did my own harmony. So when we do this live, we will have to get someone from the backup to do, I said, when we did get this lot, it had never crossed my mind. that I might stand on a stage with Dolly.

Well, you might be going to the grand old opera sometime again and singing with her. I just said, oh, my God, darling. And so we'll see. We'll see. See, I'm not a good singer. I'm a hymn singer. I'm just a hen singer.

I grew up singing hymns, and there's a way, like my mother said, Leslie, just sing out for the Lord. That's all you care about. Just singing for the lower. So you didn't care. You just went and went back and just let it out.

Can you give me a little bit of I'm working on a building from my Lord that he's singing from the Grand Al-Avray? I'm working on the building. If I was a liar, I tell you what I'd do.

I'd just keep on line and start working on a building do. I'm working on a building. I'm working on a building. I'm working on a building for my Lord, for my Lord. Yes.

It's a Holy Ghost building. And you were moving out there. Oh, my Lord. Oh, my Lord. I love it. And Osborne, one of the Osborne brothers, he looked at you and goes, you're stealing the show. That's what he said to you.

By the way, on your Instagram, I thought it was hilarious. You were talking about, speaking to Dolly Parton, you're talking about Dolly Barton, your goat? The goat story. We had a goat named Dolly that had those great big milk sacks. That was sweet as little goat. I don't want to tell you how to the Cahoeckx gutter. But anyway, it did not end where you.

This was out in Fresno, California. she'd wander down the shed row with her little milk sacks swang and she was cute as her bleating and she kept the horses calm a lot of a lot of horse stables will have goats and pigney goats around they just kind of calm the horses but she figured out it's it's you have no idea how hot it is we were actually in a little town called madera how hot it is she figured out if she went into the bathroom and flushed the toilet the wood warm water rolled out in cold water and she got her a cold drink so the guys were delivering the hay and here she kind of sauntering down here comes gossip work there's old dolly parton

well she went in the bathroom you heard a few minutes you heard it flush and she came out and i thought she had gone to the bathroom the guys delivered the hay one of them looked at me and said no way dolly's with it oh my god do you love all this the attention that you get on Instagram. Do you just really, I mean, are you surprised still when you see 100,000, 200,000 views and likes? And do you feel like this is an audience that you have to go keep going back on stage and give them love and joy?

I do. I feel also I like the fact that I would say out of my almost 6 million followers, over half of them had never seen me on television. For all these 40 years, I've been working in TV. and so people knew me as my roles. You know what I mean? And I'm like Willing Bryce. I'm kind of snarky and this and then.

So that means that all these other people that I've talked to because I said, did you know me on TV? No, I discovered you here on the internet. I've discovered me, just me, you know, and I love that, that they keep coming back just to hear me. And it's, what a wonderful thing it is, Instagram, keeping everybody.

I'm sure with kids, it's like you have kids they'd never look up, ever. You don't even know what they looked like the kid. But anyway, what a wonderful way to reach out to one another and, you know, there's the bad side of it, but the good side to, you know, keep in touch and this and that. And I just love the fact that so many people, you know, I couldn't believe it when I had 20,000.

I said, people want to hear what I have a son. And then here they came, just millions. Who are these people? Have you ever thought of having your own talk show? I have, but you know what? I'm better. I like acting, and I'm afraid that goes away. See, once you get that talk show, they never get,

and I really, really enjoy acting. Like on this little sitcom, I thought. It's the best job I ever had to call me cat. And my ambiolic is our executive producer, she's an actress on it as well, which doubles the fun, she knows what actors need to work. And here we are over an empty, Warner Brothers, by the way, right now is empty.

You drive, it's so sad to drive onto an empty, not soundstage, an empty lot. There's nobody there. And then you park in your little given spot and you walk into an empty soundstage. The makeup people have shields and they have to wear white jumpers and they make you up. then they put you back in your shield and everything and you're put back in your room. We're just sit in that dressing room forever. And then the cameras get ready and there's nobody there and we make comedy with no laughter. Because see, there's nobody.

Our kind of show should have been multicam and should be shooting in front of an audience. And it'll be years, I think. I really do think it will be years before. But an audience and so there's no audience. And, you know, I tell the camera mom, I'm like, ass, laugh. And all you ever hear is the rider, the one writer over there that wrote that joke. It's always that one guy. It's always that that's, it must be his episode. That's his episode. That's his joke. And you was like, I'm got fun. I wouldn't even that. Is it hard for you?

They said to me one time. And then they add the laughter. I said to him, they said, you're, you're taking a beat here you don't need. Just both right to you. Because here's the laugh. And I said, no, I feel this is the lie. They go. The laugh is where we put it. And we're going to put it there. Oh, my God. Hey, how y'all doing is the book that's out now, right? Yeah, yeah. Is that your, is that, look at that. Leslie Jordan, how you all doing?

What does it say? It's a tiny, by the way. I don't know when you first get it, you'll notice. It's a tiny little book. It's an easy read, right? Easy read. It's a very easy read. And what do you get into?

What do you talk about? Well, I start out about the Instagram and how I wasn't used to that. and how that enhanced my comedy and what I learned to go on the Instagram and get a story that I thought would take forever on stage down to a minute and how I was ever found a beginning, a middle of end, and it enhanced it and how, anyway, how my comedy began to work so well under that.

And then I just had 11, I was very lucky. See, they came to me. L-K-K-E-L-E-K-K-K-K-M-E-K-K-K-M-E-K-K-E-K-K-K-M-E-K-K-K-E-K-K-K-E-K-K-E-K-R-E-K-K-E-K-K-R-E-R-E-K-L-E-K-R-E-K-M-E-R-K-E-M-E-B-E-R-R-E-E-R-E-E-K-E-R-W-E-R-R-R-E-L-E-E-E-L-E-E-R-E-M-W. We said, we see a book. We see it coming from your delightful Instagram post and we see a name. We want to call it, how y'all doing? They came to me with a book, a name, and a big sack of money.

Really? I said, my gosh, that much. And then they said, start writing. And we like this story, this story. It was already beautifully organized. I called them in a about a month. And I said, well, I got something for you. And they go, what do you got a chapter for us to read? I said, no, I got the book. How many pages is this book? My book, after all these acknowledged, is 195. You guys could read that quickly. Look at that. And I bet it's a bundle of

laughs in there. They laid it out. I kind of liked the way they laid it out. They laid it out, even though I would have a story, they would take the story and make it into several stories that got little, you know, well, anyway, they got little, uh, pictures of a, of, uh, like this, you know, there would be part of the story and then. I like pictures. That's how I read. I need pictures.

You know, that'd be a little piece of, like glasses. Oh, look at that. Leslie's glasses in there. They'd break it out. Yeah. And then the, and then the, another story would continue within the story. So it is an easy grade. Didn't your mom.

What's the. first lines that your mom got upset with and said that's vulgar was that that book yes well shit was the first line in it she said you weren't right that was son why would you well and i said oh i was just being silly mom i just said well she how y'all don't it's not that bad of a word she said well you weren't rice you know to talk like that and i said bought you a condo Inside you is brought to you by Rocket Money. If you want to save money, then listen to me because I use this. Ryan uses this.

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Only in the theater, September 5th. You said you were baptized 14 times. Were you just being funny? Yeah, I made a lot of that. If I was baptized a lot over the years, we would go, you know, there would be a church camp that they would give a, I think, oh, I'd like to get baptized in the lake, we'd have it out there. But I didn't get baptized 14 times, but every time that the preacher would say, would the lost sinner, please come forward, I would think to myself, you know, I've been having bad thoughts about those boys, I'm thinking about boys, and I'd go forward. And I had that secret, you know, that I couldn't tell anybody. And I was a good kid, and I was a good little Christian boy who just kept going forward.

But it shows how kids today, and I work with so many LGBTQ, L-M-N-O-P, or wherever it ends today, kids. And I work with them and how they learned to hate themselves in the pew of a church, no matter what religion it was, you know, Catholic or, you know, even Buddhist and Muslims. You know, they just learned that, hey, and I, my hero right now is Brandy Carlisle, the singer, because she calls herself, she says, I'm a gay woman of faith. And she said, when you're a gay woman of faith, you have had to work so hard to hold on to that faith, to find out what that faith is about, because you've been told this and you've been read this, you have to, with you and your God, you know, you have to, you know, she speaks it so elo. I can't. You're doing a good job. We have to, if we're going to be gay people of faith, which I like that, I'm comfortable with that.

For a long time, I went back to Alcoholics Anonymous, and I would go to the meetings and garner comfort, because I was just used to meetings, but those aren't even like now, you know, that's, I need more than even that than an AA meeting. I need to, you know, I need to check in. but yeah it's it's tough because we've been raised and taught and you know nobody would listen well it's tough enough you know as a kid just growing up and being in high school and there's

these clicks and you know you don't fit in and I was too you know I was short I didn't I didn't have a lot of friends I wasn't popular but then you're in the small town you're in when you're in Chattanooga and you're Christian and in the Bible it's telling you that oh well these are sinners and you're thinking that's me but i don't know i'm having these thoughts but i can't control myself i mean that's got to be i mean just the utmost and horrible experiences as a kid i mean and you couldn't talk to anybody right i talked to my mom when i was 12 i told my mom and she listened and i thought for sure she'd pull out her bible we didn't even have a name i didn't know gay i'm queer i didn't know what it was i didn't know what i was trying to tell her

she understood, you know, the light she had to stay with. And she took a very deep breath. And she said, Leslie, if this is the path you choose, which now, I mean, I didn't choose. There was no, I fell out of the womb and landed in, you know, her high heels. There was no choice anywhere. Never once did I sit down and make a choice. Why would someone choose to be something that society's going to make fun of you? And she said, if you choose this, then if I was you, I would live.

a quiet life, you know, because if not, I'm afraid that you would be subject to ridicule, and I could not bear it. I couldn't bear it. Wow. And I thought, oh, that's so sweet. And so I just laid a quiet life as you said. So you totally listen to her. I took her, you know, now 50 yards of purple chiffon come flying out of her mouth and open.

I'm leading a quiet line. Oh my God. Hey, you ever get starstruck? Who makes you star struck? Who's the one person that you really just go, holy shit? Jessica did because Jessica, Jessica Lange was a star and she kept, you know, to her. Usually you've met so many. I was really, I worked with Dustin Hoffman many, many years ago, on the movie. I was so struck with him. And he just adored me. He kept coming over, whispering things to me and getting me in trouble. He wanted me to, he was at odds with the director on the picture. He knew the picture took place in Chicago. He goes, you've got a pretty good southern accent. You got to lay it on big. And I said, okay, I will.

So I got the director come over and say, why are you laying your southern? This is Chicago. And I said, um, I said, um, Esten told him to him, he goes, no, don't. And so then that's the coming and said, what he said to you. I said, well, he told me not to you. He goes, do it thicker.

Do it thick as you can. I'll take care of your promise. So I got in all kinds of it. So I was starstruck with Dustin Hoff. Were you always a prankster? Were you in high school? You were a class clown? Were they always like, you know, because I was that guy that like Rosenbaum, go do that, go

say that, get in trouble. Were you that guy who would do anything for a laugh? No, I had my own ways of getting laughed. You know, if I was trying to get the laugh and it looked like I was trying to get the laugh, I wasn't comfortable. I was able to just kind of get the laugh. I tell you, one time, George Clooney was such a prankster. I worked with him, and he went to the wardrobe department.

He said, does he wear the same suit every day? We did a series called Bodies of Evidence, long before he did even ER. He wasn't even well known. But I had such crushing because he was so handsome. And so, oh, I just, oh, George, George, George. And so he said, he told him in the warden department take his pants out one inch every day

to pull out of one inch so I was on a diet and I'd been on this diet and I'd been telling everybody about it and so I'd say remember that diet I told you that I didn't lose any pounds I weighed myself as one but low

and by the third day they were just hanging out I had to get this deal with I thought I'd have discovered this miracle guy I was telling by I said y'all is a miracle that it sheds away

sheds away you really were buying into it thinking you're losing all this weight and George Clooney was just fucking with you laughing every day at me hey this is called shit talking with Lelsey Jordan these are my patrons who I love and they have some questions this is from Leanne P

as things are starting to open up after the quarantine what are you looking forward to doing the most eating out I'm just a big I love to eat now the response and i eat out by myself you know some people say oh i can never do that i just all the time i don't think for us as long as before as before 6 p.m you don't as long as i'm looking forward to getting back out to eating out at restaurants Kelly s i love your sunday morning hymn session with Travis howard how did you get your passion to perform those gospel songs you sound wonderful

well because i started singing from the time i was two or three seriously two or three years old we would sing those old hymns and in the baptist church sometimes if there's not enough hymnals to go around the preacher will say the words kind of quite you know uh and you know uh this little out of you know so I knew I knew the words and when uh I found an old Baptist hymnal and when I opened it up to show Travis we just about sprang because we knew every single word it was the fabric of our childhood. It was everything we had ever heard growing up, you know. And not that we believed it or didn't believe it.

It didn't matter. It was just the words, you know, and the tunes. And I don't care if you're, you know, Jewish or Muslim or Buddhist or Christian or how you were raised. This music is wonderful. I'm hoping people will just take it for what it is. You know, we're not proselytizing by any means. Little Lisa says Leslie could you please tell us

about one of your favorite behind the scenes moments on Will & Grace something that no one's heard maybe well this is going to kind of tell on myself

but before I started on Will & Grace people came up to me and said that Megan Molloy was brilliant Leslie you may have met your match she may be funny

but honey she's no rest of you so you know we went to rehearsal and she didn't do that beat that voice during rehearsal much, you know, and she, she's like me. She loves business. She's going to pick up a drink and talk.

She's going to do it, and she's going to have, and she says that work. That's how she memorizes, I think. She's like me. She likes her business. She's also not going to like a lot of preparation. She won't, you know, I'll say, you want to run lines, no. So, but anyway, we walked up, you know, in front of an audience. And I said my line, well, well, well.

And just, oh, the house just hollered, hollered, hollered. And all of a sudden I turned around and looked at her and a comedic tsunami. I mean, it was a tsunami hit me with whatever her next line was. And that place went ballistic. And she looked at me like, okay. And I looked at her like, okay. And it was like, the sun.

And, you know, we're not good friends, really. We don't hang out with each other, but we are so competitive on the stage. And she wins because of those titties. She always, like, if I get the last line and get the big lick, all she's got to do is she'll look at them and then going. And that's it. And that's it.

And I say, fuck the thing, bitch. Do you think she liked you? Did you like each other or not really? Oh, yeah. You did? adore one another. You still talk to each other. It's more than just a mutual admiration of we're both southern. She's from Oklahoma City. I knew her mother, Martha, who died recently. And so, you know, it's that. It's that. And then also, you know, I adore her husband's so

adorable because he's nine feet, you know, and she's my high. Like, oh, my God, she's nameships for you know who's Megan Malaymerie too it's his name from uh Nick Offerman Nick Offerman yeah yeah I always I forget it's funny guy you know this person just says Steph A says Leslie I just want you to know how much you mean to me you're such a genuine and loving person you've helped me feel more secure in myself and in my life from Will and Grace to now you've kept me laughing and learning both lots of love to you Isn't that the nicest thing? Oh my gosh.

Yeah, I mean, I guess you're, I mean, it's infectious. I'm so glad I quit snorting crystal meth. How did it? What's it? By the way, what's it like snort? I thought that old truth could make some of it. How does someone get into crystal meth? I mean, you know, you're...

Here's how it happened. It was a sad situation, but it happened in the gay bars and it happened in the 80s. And it was called Tina. And it was a, you would do a little dance, a little bump on the dance floor. and it was better than cocaine because it lasted so long. But what happened is you do a big old rail of that, Tina, you're up six hours. And I mean, you're up a little, you're up 10 hours. So it's like speed, it's like speed.

Speed. And so everybody on the dance floor at the after hours close. That's the only way you can step to it and put an awful feeling to walk out of probe on highland on a Sunday morning and see people dressed for church, happy, with their children. Oh, my God. And you're like, yeah. I mean,

what were the downs, though? The ups are so great, but the downs are absolutely the worst. Horrendous. You lost people. I mean, people could have been in suicide. It was like, you know, they just didn't think that it's not like a hangover.

It's just like you think it's the end of the world. It's just, uh, you can't, and you're very, very, very paranoid. That's where when you see aluminum foil on windows and some weird house painting black security around you, quicker, and it took a really long time to get my thinking back. I liked it because one dark and everything goes slow, everybody else, because I'm so hyper anyway, it just had a chemical reaction. on me where it just slowed me down and i remember thinking i said to the guy gave it to me jimmy and said can you get me a little tiny bit of this every day like the rest of my life right i'll just do like i'll just do a little bit and then life will be wonderful well that's what

yeah well that's what a dd medication is the people who are like i'm i'm hyperactive and if i take something like a vivance or whatever it slows me down and i'm able to focus more so it's the same thing and you began to think oh so this this is normal this is oh my god so this is the way everybody else isn't up and up here yeah yeah it's it's hard it's hard being up there it's hard being just always like this because it's calming down it's just it's just really hard to calm down and then you get really depressed when you go home alone and you start to think about oh my god what did I do what do I say why do I always have to be funny why I always have to be the center of attention and what can't it just be normal?

What the hell's wrong with me? You would start feeling. You are preaching to the choir. Yeah. You are preaching to the choir. But you're through it now. Now you're good. I'm through 22 years clean, completely sober,

and, you know, happier than I've ever been. And it was a journey that I look back sometimes and I think to myself, I don't know who that was. I don't know who that was. It stayed up for six days and then went to an audition.

And the casting director's now day, The casting director called me in. He was a gay man, thank God. He said, I don't you go home and get some sleep. I said, no, I really want to audition. He goes, you really don't want to audition. Wow. You've been up a long time.

I had been up six days, and I was going to try to audition for this. I even remember the part. It was, uh... Return of the Living Dead? Maybe you would have gotten that one. It was hilarious. They wanted an Irish accent, which I couldn't do. And it was going to be, um,

There was, what, what's Tatum O'Neill's dad's, man? What's his name from Love, Love. With Farrah Fawcett. Yeah, what's his name? Ferriset and something, O'Neill. Ryan O'Neill. I was going into the road. I don't know, he'll know.

Out, out. Well, good for him, at least he didn't tell. your agents or anything did he that was good well you know what this has been really lovely this has been really nice i've really enjoyed it thank you yeah was just so right for you did you have fun i did thank you for allowing to be inside of you today and i really enjoyed this conversation i'll talk to you soon i do and you're wonderful what you do you're wonderful well definitely interesting he's an infectious personality i would say yes i would say that too i think that uh it's just it's just a combination of the personality with the accent, he just jumps into things like that.

And anything he talks about just seems like it's funny. Like, if I just jumped in and I talked about those things that no one would think it was that funny. No. He's got a... He can make anything funny. He can. He fell right out of his mama's womb into her high heels, into a pair of high heels.

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it's Mountaineer Comic-Con, September 24th weekend. I'm getting going, Ryan. I'm getting going on these, on the conventions. It's been... That's back in high gear. Yeah, like a year, year and a half since I've been doing it. And certainly I miss it. Certainly the fans miss it.

So I'm curious to see what it's going to be like, if it's going to be just a shit show. Like, you know, in a good way. Like, hopefully there'll be a lot of people out there just, you know, protecting themselves and, you know, they're hopefully vaccinated and, you know, to protect people around them and themselves. Nonetheless, I just, I'm excited to see people and engage in people. I wonder if my anxiety levels will go up. Probably little. What do you do?

You just, I mean, have you been on a plane since the pandemic started? Yeah, once I went and saw my grandparents. That's right. That's right. My grandmother, sorry. My grandpa's dad. Thanks for bringing that out. Yeah.

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people say do you ever get weirdos i mean occasionally you do and then you have to kind of say hey you're i'm uncomfortable but that rarely happens people are so respectful and that really is uh that's just a cool thing when you're not when you don't feel uncomfortable at all i don't feel uncomfortable with all with any patron they just for the most part 99% of them just fucking good people giving loving sweet affectionate good folk give it loving thank you so much for listening today this has been a real treat hopefully you enjoyed leslie jordan hopefully you'll stick around for next week's episode um most of the people are sticking around right now and listening are people that i that love me and i love back anyway so uh from

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Put it into a tax-advantaged retirement account. The mortgage. That's what we do. Make a down payment on a home. Something nice. Buying a vehicle. A separate bucket for this addition that we're adding. $50,000, I'll buy a new podcast.

You'll buy new friends. And we're done. Thanks for playing, everybody. We're out of here. Stacky Benjamin's, follow and listen on your favorite platform.