Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - LOU DIAMOND PHILLIPS: Biggest Shock with La Bamba, Returning to Young Guns & Most Humbling Moment

Episode Date: June 25, 2024

Lou Diamond Phillips (La Bamba, Young Guns) joins us this week and shares his gratitude for being able to sustain a successful career in the arts for over 40 years, while highlighting the importance in open conversations about mental health along the peaks and valleys that come with it. Lou talks a lot about his experience in La Bamba - going from a day player to being Ritchie Valens, having just seven days to prepare the songs, and the biggest shock that came with his portrayal. We also talk about his pursuit for acting coming out of Texas, his hopes for a return to Young Guns, and the work ethic that propels him into so many different projects. Thank you to our sponsors: 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside 🐶 Rosey's Puppy Fresh Breath: https://amzn.com/dp/B0CNQFYLHW __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio. Well, dude, here we are. I'm excited you're doing this. this um we're you know we have mutual friends name drop jason patrick and kefer of course yes indeed and we've been i mean you know thanks to the strike we were all on the uh the the con circuit uh last ball is you know do you like doing that do you like doing it you know i got to say something man i've likened it um before to doing theater and meeting fans at at the stage door uh and And I've always, I've always loved the connection to, you know, the fans, the people, you know, who have followed me and supporting me and everything else.

And I'm very grateful for that. And, you know, I was a little, you know, askance about it to begin with, because, you know, the whole commerce of it all. But then I realized the deal is you show up at an appointed time and an appointed place and they are guaranteed to meet you and guaranteed to have their time. and say what you want. And I'm not one of these people who, you know, hurries people through the line. It's an opportunity to make a connection that may never happen, you know, if not for that setup. You know, some people can go to their whole lives and go,

oh, I'd like to meet, you know, LDP or Michael Rosenbaum or whatever and never run into you at the supermarket or something. So this, you know, this is the deal and this is why people buy tickets and why they come. And so I've embraced that. I've come to really appreciate it and it's it's really really sweet to see the fan reaction well you know I'm a big fan of yours

I know a lot of people are out there and it's a treat having you but by the way when you're at a con what did people ask for most for you to sign because you've done so many things uh yes it's mostly you know the photos and whatnot I mean the when they bring their own

stuff you know that's that's always really interesting somebody who's had a VHS or even the album you know of a lavamba that that's you know that's kind of a big one uh you know some people go out of their way and get the posters and whatnot um strangely i've i've signed a bunch of guitars i've signed a bunch of knives you know um yeah and so there there's uh there's always something that's just a little left of center that's really interesting now your thought wasn't you were born in the philippines yeah and you know my stepmom's Filipino my i have a close

oh really i didn't do we have to get down and you know throw down some some Adopo or something. Or some show pal. Some show pal. Yeah, right. See, I got the whole Filipino house boy thing working, man. I can do that. Do you cook, or do you speak Tagalog?

I do not. And I blame my mother. She never taught me. You know, she never taught me. And most people think that I speak Spanish. Again, I do not. Just like I don't really play the guitar. So you just speak English.

You don't have any, you don't speak any other languages. No, no. Yeah, it's what they say, you know, the old joke. What do you call somebody who speaks three languages? Trilingual, somebody who speaks two languages, bilingual, somebody who speaks only one language, American. That's very, very true. Now, he was, was he in the Army or he was a colonel? Maybe.

Maybe. No, my dad, yeah, there was some weird stuff out there. I was named after Gunnery Sergeant Lou Diamond, who was in the Marines. And so some people get that overlap. My father, Gerald Uptchurch, my biological father, was in the Navy. Met my mom there. When he passed, my mother remarried, also a Navy man, George Phillips, hence that, you know, the last name. And we traveled a lot when I was growing up, different Navy bases all over the place.

And finally settled down in Texas. How old were you when your father passed? I was very young. I think I was, like, just past a year old, something like that. Okay. So I, yeah, I never, I never knew Gerald. My cousins on the upchurch side of the family and I are very close. But as far as I knew, George Phillips was, you know, was my dad and always my dad, you know. Good upbringing, very supportive.

Great. Fantastic. Didn't care that you wanted to be an actor? You know, it's so funny, because it goes back, I was, I was maybe 12, 13. We were already in Texas at the time. And my dad who grew up in, you know, North Carolina, he talks like this, you know, and it's only gotten deeper and worse since he's lived in Texas. He said, son, what do you think you might want to do for a living? And at the time, I said, well, I'm going to be a writer.

He goes, well, you might want to think about something that makes a little bit more money. So I came back a year later and said, you know what, Dad, I want to be an actor. That's not really what I had in mind, son. You just went from the sublime to the ridiculous. Yeah, exactly. But it was one of the most wonderful moments. I decided to major in theater in college. I went to the University of Texas at Arlington.

Not just my dad, but my high school counselor, my drama teacher, they all tried to talk me out of majoring in drama because it was just inconceivable to anyone, inconceivable to anyone that you could make a living doing this. you know, growing up in Corpus Christi, Texas. And the first film that I got was a little Christian youth film called Angel Alley. And we had the premiere in Dallas and my dad came up and you watched the movie. And then, you know, we went back to the apartment that I had by UTA.

And we had a six-pack. And for some reason we sat on the floor. We didn't actually sit on the couch. We sat on the floor around the coffee table. And we popped one and my dad said, so I think you're going to be all right. Really? It was huge, man.

That was sort of the acknowledgement. Oh, okay. I get it now. I get it. And how old were you? 19. 19. Maybe I was 20.

Yeah, maybe I was 20 at that point. Yeah. I don't know if I ever got the acknowledgement still to this day with the success I've had. But wow. That's me. And it's so important, you know, especially in an industry like this when you're just like, it feels like your dreams are so far away and the rejection is everywhere to have at least your dad or your parents in your corner to say hey we like what you're doing and you do this you go with

your with your heart so I think that's a big deal man it is a big deal and it's uh you know I taught a residency at UTA this past fall because I had the time and uh it's that thing you know you that I both know, you've got to create a network of support. You have to have some positive reinforcement because it is so difficult in the business, you know, anyway, the rejection is always there, every audition. Even when you get the job, you know, people are going to review you for it, or maybe the movie doesn't do well, or the television show gets canceled or whatever. You know, it's a lifetime of that. And not only do you need a thick skin, but you need people around you to to sort of lift you up because it can push you down, you know?

And it's, it's important, especially if that starts with family and close friends. Who are the actors that you looked up to that you were like, I want to be them? I want to, I want to have their career. I want this is where I want. You know, coming up in the, I'm a little older to you, Michael. Not much. Coming up in the early 70s, you know, as a teenager, I mean, the films that I watched, you know, and snuck into R-rated movies

and, you know, it was the De Niro's and the Pacino's and the Hoffmans and all of those guys, the New York contention, you know, John Casales, you know, the Copoulos, you know, a lot of those films were really what spoke to me

because they were, they were not only, you know, character studies, but they were done by character actors. And I looked up, and I knew from the beginning that, you know, I was not going to be destined to be Robert, Redford and Paul Newman or anybody like that. And I looked at these swarthy, dark-haired, you know, ethnic dudes and went, I could do that.

You know, I could do that. And the sort of prerequisite is you work on your acting, you know, because you, maybe you're not going to skate on your looks. So, so that's really what I aspired to, was to be that kind of an actor. And, you know, even in high school, even in college, because I was doing many, many different kinds of roles, I always considered myself to be, you know, a character actor. And then, you know, when I started getting leads in, in, in Hollywood, uh, you know, that was, that was a bit heady, man. That was, that was, you know, sort of, uh, overwhelming, uh, because all I ever really

wanted to do was to work, you know, to be a part of the industry. I'm surprised you didn't whip out the, uh, the, you know, when I said, your, your idols, you didn't whip out Jack Nicholson, because you and I were doing kind of dueling Nicholson. at one of the cons. I'm going to do some Dolly Nicholson. He was one of my big touchstones, you know, in the 70s as well. But I was never going to be quite like Jack. Lou, I'll tell you what, even though you might not have had the talent in your eyes,

but you always had the coolest fucking name, didn't you? Well, I did, man. You know, you got to have something. There was one thing I wanted to be the longest up on the billboard. Lou Diamond Phillips. We can't fit your guys. God bless it name on the marquee. I love it.

You know, how old were you when you did LaBamba? 24. Do you remember the audition? Huge. Huge. It was, it was, I mean, the thing is, it was, it was so random, man. It was lightning in a bottle. I got the call.

I was doing, I was paying my bills in Darlington, Dallas, Fort Worth. I was doing professional theater. I was doing, you know, a lot of. commercials and industrials, the occasional cool little spot. Like, I, you know, I was a day player on the Dallas series, you know, which was way cool. And I've stayed friends with, like, Linda Gray and Patrick Duffy, that was crazy, man. So I get a call from the agent saying, okay, you got this audition for a musical about

Frankie Valley, you know. And, I mean, Frankie Valley in the four seasons. Now we have Jersey boys, but that, it didn't exist then. And I thought, Jerry, it's okay, I can do that. Yeah, I can do that. Sure. I get a perm, whatever. And so I go down, and the funny thing is, and I think this is why she thought it was a musical,

is it was in the audition was actually held in a legit theater in downtown Dallas, you know. And so went down there. This was back in the day when, you know, you got the sides when you walked in the door. You didn't get them the day before. I actually like that. Then everybody, it's even playing field. And you don't have to really do the work. You just go in there and say, let's see what I come up with.

Exactly. And then it's your talents, your instincts, all of that. Right. That's really what's at play. So I get it. I get the sides and they have, you know, a couple of scenes. And I'm reading these and I'm going, holy shit. This is not a musical.

And then, you know, it's Julie Lowry and Philips Parsley the associate producer. They explained it. It was Richie Valens. And all I can think of is, why is this Hollywood movie here in Dallas Tetis? I don't get it. And then after the fact, I find out that Danny Valves, the associate producer, who played my uncle in it, who originally got the rights when he wanted to play Richie right after Zootzut, you know, but then he aged out. You know, it was his idea.

You go to Texas. Go to Dallas. go to San Antonio, because they'd already looked in L.A. They'd looked in New York and Chicago. They saw 600 people for the role. And so at the end of the day, I got put on tape by Judy Lowry for both roles, for Richie and Bob. Did you have to sing? No, not in that audition, not in that one.

So at the end of the day, she said, I'm not supposed to do this, but here's the full script. You'll probably be hearing from us. I read the whole thing, and I'm blown away. I cannot believe this opportunity. So true to a word, about a week later, they get a call and they want to fly me to California for a screen test, you know? Wow. But it was a much longer process.

There was almost a full week of continuing to audition. I ended up reading Bob with all of the other actors still reading for Richie. I read with a bunch of the Donnas. And, you know, I mean, obviously at the end of the day, you know, I got the gig, which is funny, but because my mentor, my guy at the time speaking at Nicholson, Adam Rourke had done five films with Jack Nicholson. They were both contract players with the same studio in the late 50s and early 60s. They did a ton of biker movies together. And Adam's this guy from Brooklyn. He goes, Lou, there's not a snowball's chance in hell you're going to get this role.

But you go out there, you kick their ass, and maybe you get to play the drummer. you know what's yeah yeah you know what song i always think of though when i think of that movie i had a girl donna was a name very nice very nice michael thank god you audition i might not be sitting here today can you still sing that song oh yeah was that a cue is it was no no no you don't have to but you know it's just i i was just wondering i had a girl don't know was her name since she left me I've never been the same, because I love my good. Don't know where can you be. Where can you be?

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When did they make the call and say you got this? Okay, so like I told you, we've been auditioning all week long. They finally brought, Esai in. And one night, after I'd read Bob to all these Richies, one night, Luis Valdez says to me, Lou, do you come in tomorrow? You're going to reach for Richie. I was like, oh, okay. And I'd heard his direction for like three or four days to all the other, you know, young actors. So, came in, read Richies with a bunch of Bob's, and then read with Isai. And then this was like

on the, the Wednesday, Wednesday evening. Thursday now, we're going to do a screen test. So they lock me into Ritchie. I go, Issa, Rassano de Soto, Danielle von Zernick, and Elizabeth Peña are all screen testing with no competition. And now I'm reading for Richie, and there's another guy that I've never even seen before. He was a soap actor at the time. So he comes in and I think, okay, well, I'm still in competition for somebody, right? And as I'm standing outside, I remember I used to smoke.

So I was standing outside the, you know, the studio while the other guy was doing his thing. I'm sitting there. Then this teabird pulls in, bright red teabird. And out of it gets his dude in a, you know, in a white tank top and a black leather vest, a pair of ballerama raybans wraparound, you know. And he whips him off. He looks at me. And I thought, oh, my God, that's the real Bob Morales.

And it was, you know. So he shows up to the screen test. And I'm like, oh, geez. No pressure now, right? So that happened on Thursday. The next Friday morning, they call me back in to continue to be the reader. So now I'm going to read with a bunch more, you know, Donnas because Luis wasn't really sold. Now, all week long, everybody in the office had been so nice to me.

And this Friday morning, nobody's talking to me. And I'm thinking, oh, man, I didn't get it. I didn't get it and everybody's too embarrassed to, you know, to look me in the eye now. And then so lunch comes along and, you know, Luis says, Lou, I need to see you in my office. And, you know, I think, okay, you know, the drop in the boom, this is it. This is the thank you. But, you know, so I go in and Julie Valerie's there and Danny Valdez and Taylor Hackford.

And Luis sits me down, pulls a chair over close to me, you know, like he's my uncle or something. and he goes, Lou, how would you like to play with you balance? You know, so then they took me to lunch, then took me straight to the airport because I had to go home and pack, you know, for, I packed for like, you know, four days. And so I had to go back to Texas and pack up for, you know, a six-week shoot. So, you know, it was a crazy. Changed your life. Changed your freaking life.

Changed my life, the whole trajectory of my career. career. I mean, that's why I never, ever, uh, feel put upon when somebody wants to talk about Lavalamba. They want me to sign whatever, you know, or they yell at them from across the street. Uh, you know, uh, I, I will always, always be grateful for that film. Um, man, I, the first thing that comes to mind is because I'm kind of a nostalgic guy is like, your parents, when they're sitting in that theater and they watch their son playing Richie Valens. Do you remember their faces or the way they responded? It's funny.

My parents were divorced at that point, and my dad must have driven 20, he was in Mexico, like way up in the mountains, like Tbusigapa or something. He had to drive back down into the city to get to a movie theater, but he did it, you know, and he called me a long distance, and he was over the moon about it. My mother, my mother's hilarious, man. I mean, I don't know if it's a Filipino thing or whatever. I could win the Nobel Prize. And my mom would go, pretty good.

That's the extent of the praise I get from my mom. Oh, my. He watched the boy go, pretty good. Are your parents still with you? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I got them both. How old are they? They're in the early 80s.

They were young, they were young, you know, when I was, when I came along. Wow. And let me get, maybe I'm wrong, but didn't you do stand and deliver before that? No, or no, it's, I, any, Eddie is kind of, uh, flip the timeline every once in a while. I, I did, I did loveamba, uh, they, I got paid scale. Scale, what was scale back then? Like, $1,100 a week for six weeks. Yeah.

So I made like $6,500. And I gave half of that to my mother. And, yeah, just like Richie would have. And so now I got, you know, $3,500, $3,000 left. By December, I'm out of money. I'm out of money. I think I'm going to have to go back to Texas. I'm splitting rent with four people in L.A., by the way.

And in the nick of time, in the nick of time, I book a Miami Vice. Okay? I make in one week on my, because I'm a guest star, I'm making one week on Miami Vice, what I made the entire shoot for La Mamba, you know, and the funny thing is that episode, which is called Red Tate, also starred Vigo Bortensen as my partner. Wow. And Annette Benning as the girlfriend of the bad guy. Come on.

No, it's the truth. Yeah, that's amazing how you do this huge movie. It's a blockbuster. and you got paid scale. And now you're just trying to pay rent and you land a Miami Vice thing and it keeps you going. And so, but here's the thing.

I do one scene with Eddie Olmos. Now, Eddie Olmos had done Zutsu with Luis and Daniel Valdes. Right. So the reason I didn't get a gig until Miami Vice was that I was an unknown kid from Texas playing an obscure Mexican-American rock and roller

in a negative pickup from Columbia. It did not have hit written all over it. Okay. So nobody was getting ready to give me another lead role. And so now I get the Miami Vice, Eddie knows what's what, you know, that, oh, you're the kid who played Richie. Okay. And we did one scene together. And Eddie says, what are you doing next month? This was January of 87. And Labamas doesn't come out until August. I said I'm not not you know doing anything you want to have lunch and he writes down a number then he goes when you get back to L.A. called this number and it was Ramon Menendez the director of stand and deliver and Eddie said you know doing this movie next month you have you have to be

in it with me and that's how I got standing delivered I mean if you don't do Miami Vice you don't exactly you don't do not stand and deliver and see that's just it man you know you can We talk about, you know, in training for the business, but right place at the right time. You know, you have to have, you know, all of the preparation in the world for when that, you know, luck, you know, intersects with all the work you've done. Yeah. And how long after LaBamba when that came out at Stan? Well, how did that work? What timeline was that?

When did that come out? The following year. So LaBama comes out in 87, stand and deliver was actually an independent film. So it did not have distribution. And you didn't get paid much on that either. Scale. and probably less to the Obama because it was a faster shoot. Wow.

Yeah. That is insane. But you do back-to-back hugely successful movies. And now it's got to be standing in deliver that now you're on the map. Now they're seeing you as someone not just Richie Valens and one trick pony, but this guy's got it. Yes. And that's when the offer started coming around? the next film I did was an offer and and that was the funny thing is I didn't even see it coming

it was young guys right and so I go into the meeting at Fox and John Fusgoe the writer producer Chris Kane the director Joe Roth Paul Schiff the other producers with Morgan Creek at the time and you know we have a great meeting I've read the script it's wonderful fantastic they they don't send me any sides so i'm thinking oh god what am i going to additionally so i picked the big speech and i think i picked another scene and we talked for like 20 minutes and there's a lull in the conversation and um i said so uh i'm sorry they didn't tell me what to prepare but um you know i i i have the speech for you if you want and i've got a scene if that's okay and they kind of kind of look at me and chris kane kind of looks down the you know

the table with the other producers and whatnot. And they're all grinning. And he leaves forward to me and he goes, Lou, the part's yours if you want it. I was like, oh, oh, oh, okay. Yeah, sure.

I mean, wow. I didn't see that one coming. And not scale this time. Not scale this time. Not scale this time. Not a million bucks, but not bad for. But there was always young guns too. Exactly.

Now, doing a movie like that, you're with all these young up-and-comers. Some have already, you know, had a lot of success. What was the, what were the egos like? Because I talked to Michael Bean, who was on the set of Tombstone, who did all this stuff. And then it seemed like there were a lot of egos and, you know, people were cool. But what was it like on that set? Was everybody cool? Were they like just the boys hanging out?

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and it's i guess if anybody had a right to have one it would be amelia because he'd had the most hits you know uh you know kind of founding member of the brat pack and all that but no man i mean everybody got along like long lost friends and we were at summer camp i mean there really was no pecking order um and and it just i don't know i mean they you know they they still do it on some on some of the bigger films but you know back in the day they brought us out for like you know a week-long cowboy camp, you know, of rioting and shooting and, you know, knife practice and all this other stuff,

screen tests and whatnot. So we got to hang out a lot. And by the time we were shooting, the funny thing is we shot the trailer on the very first day. You know, the one where we're coming up on pulling off the masks. Yeah, that was our first day of filming because Fox had already set a June

release date. And we were shooting this in January, you know? So, yeah, it, there was never a problem in that respect. You know what I mean? It felt, it very, very much felt like an ensemble. Would you do now, I don't remember exactly what happens in Young Guns, too. It's been a while. But look, what if they revamped it and did something where it's like you're all older now,

your old friends? I don't remember exactly what happens. But could you, would you consider that? Not only would I consider it. I said yes to it. Why wouldn't they do something like that? That could be a real cool story. Well, here's the thing.

Old guns. A lot of people on the interweb, you know, there was a rumor going around and it's, and it's persistent about a young gun's three. And it's because Amelia wrote a script. And this is recently, this is in the last couple of years, Amelia wrote a great script doing just that, adding, you know, the timeline to put us at the age we are now. And without giving too much away. those of us whose debts were off camera get to come back, you know.

And it's a fantastic script. And John Fusco, the original producer, is, you know, behind it as well. And Emilio was going to direct. Morgan Creek has put the kibosh on it for the time being. You know, I mean, Emil, that literally was doing, you know, location scouting and they've done storyboards. And I saw all of this. and he was far down the road to a production.

But for some reason, you know, Morgan Creek would like to, you know, control the property. But as far as I know, they're not doing anything with it. So it just seems really counterproductive to me. Well, maybe this podcast will get the fire burned. There you go. Seriously. And I would love to see that. It wasn't called old guns, was it?

I think, you know, it had young guns. And then the young was shot out. So it's still kind of like. guns, you know, the shooting blank guns, middle-aged guns, rusty guns, older but wiser guns. Seattle's guns. Yeah. That's awesome. I hope that works out, man. And by the way, Amelia always seems like he's out of all the actors you work with, do you think you find him the most elusive, the sort of one that he doesn't like do a lot. He doesn't like, you know, publicity or anything like that. Is that what you get from him? 100%. Yeah, 100%. You know,

I mean, you know, I mean, we all like our private time and whatnot, but I mean, he's, he's a, unless he's got something specific to do or, you know, a reason to, to put himself through that, you know, he, I think, I think he likes his, you know, his, you know, his distance, his space, you know, whereas a lot of the other guys. I mean, Kiefer, obviously, and German, a bunch of guys are, you know, just, just a bit more affable. although, you know, I don't mean to paint the picture of Emilio being an introvert at all. I just think that, you know, he likes his quiet time. And then, you know, when you're with him, though, the guys are hoot. I mean, he's hilarious. That got laughed. What's that?

You still talk to him? I spoke to him specifically about this project probably a year and a half ago now. So, but I haven't seen him in person in a while, whereas, you know, as you know, I get to cross paths with some of the other guys. I recently caught up with the Casey Shamashko. And strangely enough, it was on a red eye from New York. So, I mean, from L.A. to New York. It's like, wait a second, I know that voice.

I have a feeling you still talk to Eddie, Eddie James almost. All the time. All the time. Absolutely. He just had heart surgery or something, right? No, man. He had throat cancer. Throat cancer. Yes. He had throat cancer. And it was a real scare.

And God bless him, you know, he beat it, man. Yeah. He beat it and he's back and he's good. He's really good. I saw him a few months ago, again, at a con. Also, like six months ago, Turner Classic Movies has a film festival in Hollywood. And it was the 35th anniversary of Stand in Deliver.

So Eddie and I did a panel, which was fantastic, you know. He's such a wonderful guy. No, he's doing great. Plus, we had done another film together. We did a fabulous film that his son Michael co-directed with Yosef Delaria and it really

kind of gave the world Gina Rodriguez who became Jay the Virgin but this was like a breakout role for her. We went to Sundance with it called Philly Brown and it's it's really a fantastic little movie. I got to check that out for sure.

Have there ever been like tough times because you talk about, I mean, all this success and everything. And like this podcast talks a lot about mental health and like journeys and people hit ruts and what do they do and depression. And I've dealt with a lot of depression and anxiety and things that I've been working on. Have you dealt with any of that? Have you had like really hard times where you have to, you know, either get help or work on, really work on yourself and how do you get out of that rut? That's a great question, brother, because, you know, I mean, I tell young actors all the time, man, you know, it ain't all sunglasses and limos.

And sometimes the phone doesn't ring and, you know, having to take a project because you have to, you know, because you got kids and you got bills and you got that sort of thing, you know, and that can play on your, on your mind as well. I mean, I have been eternally grateful to have been doing this for 40 years and still doing it, you know. But there are those times when you wonder, man, am I going to, am I going to be, you know, one of the casualties? I think you and I both know people that didn't make it. that you know for one reason or another you know got eaten up um and uh you know just life in general you know a couple of divorces that kind of thing so yeah i you know i i turned to therapy a time or two just just to to air some stuff out to vent some stuff um i've been fortunate in that in that i think you know my demeanor and personality for the most part uh avoids getting too black but you know there there there there are those insecurities man there are those worries those doubts those fears all of that stuff you know uh and i and i'm very grateful that today we we are much more accepting of the process of of self-help and you know the the ability to reach out and to and to

not look at it as a weakness but as an improvement you know and and i and i think uh the more that we can support that, the more that we embrace that in our industry, the healthier all of us are. And, you know, it's a very good thing. What is it like the one thing you think helps you with your mental health that you try to be consistent with? Family, first of all, you know, I mean, when I'm home, I'm dad, you know, I cook. I do my own grocery shopping, you know, way back when I said, you know, and you said it earlier,

or, you know, my life is going to change, but I'm not going to let it change me. And, you know, I was fortunate in that, you know, I was 24 years old when I got La Mama, so I wasn't a kid. And I had a military father and a middle class, you know, upbringing, you know, in a family with some, you know, manners and some values. And so I brought that. And, you know, as you know, Hollywood can be very, very, what's the word I'm looking for? I mean, hypnotic or, you know, it can charm you and charm you into,

into placing value on the wrong things. Yes. But especially when, you know, I had kids, then it became like, okay, you know, I have responsibilities. I have priorities. I have, I have to take care of myself to take care of them. Yeah. And, you know, and that helps you to rationalize the choices that you have to make.

You know, you may not always like them, but you got to do it, you know? And so that, that kind of became my more. star you know so between that and my literal love of the work uh that that saw me through some times because uh you know if if there are some films you take and you go okay this this is one of those you know oh yeah we've taken those yeah and and then you know the the immediate reminder has to be all right hold on hold on they'll be so damn precious you're getting paid to act yeah and i go back to the beginning and go that's all you ever wanted to do wow and so i'm not going to win an oscar for this one i'm not going to be on the cover of some

magazine because of this one or whatever but bottom line i'm getting paid to act and that is a dream come true and so to to remind yourself of that was was always a good thing for me that's humbling it really is uh you ever work with any assholes yeah You know, but I mean, it's, it's, how do you deal with assholes? Everybody, you know, like DeNafrio was on the podcast, Vincent. And he talks about, he's like, well, you know, I'll take them aside and I'll tell them, you know, look, we need, what are you doing? This isn't professional.

We need to. Nice. You need to correct your behavior. I don't want to have to. And he'll kind of size them up a little bit. But have you ever had to deal with that where you're like, hey, buddy, you can't do that. not not to that extent and i mean you know the i mean the interesting thing you know aside from once in a while i'm going you know what that's unnecessary okay you know let's okay let's move on

that's fine right you know um and to be quite honest it's it's usually you know uh i've been really fortunate people are uh that i've heard our assholes or people that i've witnessed them being assholes. They tend to be really nice to me. And I don't know why that is. You know, they, they don't, you know, they really don't step to me all that much. I've seen people be disrespectful to Peru and that sucks, sucks big time. You know, my wife and I, you know, Yvonne was a hair and makeup artist. So, you know, I was a special place in my heart for through it. And also, you know, having directed and continuing to direct more for television, man, you know, you. You learn the value of a good crew, you know, because they're the ones who are going to help you make your day at the end of the day and make you look good.

So I can't, I can't abide an actor who disrespects the crew. You know, and it's, we all know this, and especially those of us who've gone through therapy. It's, you know, it's a response to insecurity. It's, you know, this, you got, you treat me a certain way because I feel like I'm not, you know, I'm not good enough for you don't think I'm good enough. for, you know, I'm not as far along as I should be or I'm not, you know, at a level that I should be. It's ego, it's insecurity, it's all that. Exactly.

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I love that you, you know, you've done Broadway. I mean, you did the King and I. You got nominated for a Tony, a Drama Desk Award. Like, you do, you do it all. You direct, you write, you wrote a novel, right? Yeah. I mean, you do all these things. Are, is it just something that you, it's like I'm acting, I'm acting, I'm getting bored.

I got to do something else. I got a right now. I got it right. I got, oh, you know, or is it just that you just have passions for doing all these things? 100% man because it's what I did in high school is what I did in college you know I just have a bigger stage now which is wonderful but I was writing plays in high school I produced plays in college professionally I literally went door to door to businesses selling ads in my program to raise the money to you know to mount productions you know I was directing you know in in college what my first professional gig was a comedy shoot called the zero hour which a bunch of alumni and I from UTA asked me to join them after my first audition for Dracula on the main stage there. That was my freshman play.

And so it became this ensemble of people who wrote stuff and, you know, created things. And I'm an artist as well. So I was, I was doing a lot of the, making a lot of the props and doing that kind of thing. My wife is a much better artist than I am, which is why she illustrated our novel together, the Tinderbox. But I did it all, and I had passion for it all. And I continue to do it now. And it's never out of bored of this.

But it is out of certain, you know, I don't know, character of work that I can't not do nothing. You know, I can't do nothing. I can't sit around and do nothing. I work ethic that you said, you know, you should be doing something, man. You know. So I've learned to relax a little bit more. But, you know, at the same time, I've often said it, I work harder when I'm not working than when I am. Because when I'm working, I focus on one thing.

You know, that's what I'm doing. I eat what's in front of me. But when I'm not, it's like, okay, I should be writing this. Or, you know, I literally have a couple of different irons in the fire directorially, writing-wise, you know, that sort of thing. There's a sequel already completed to the Tinderbox Soldier Indira. called the Tinder Box Underground Movement, and that'll be coming out later this year. My wife is doing the illustrations for that as well.

And that was the beauty of that project is something we could do together. But even some of the other things that I'm developing, whether I've got a mini-series idea going on, I've got a couple of films that I'm attached to. Yvonne is intrinsic to those as well. We have a production company together. So hopefully we'll get one of those off the ground

and we'll see more from our collaboration. I love that. You know, I always found that there was this quote. It's a simple quote, but it just said, it just weighed on me. It was just so true. It says, you're not bored. You're not tired. You're just bored.

Wow. So a lot, you know, and it made sense because I'm like, I'm at home. I'm not doing a lot. I'm like, I'm tired. You're not tired. You're not, there's nothing around you to get you motivated. Like, you know, you won't be as tired once you have something going. and so that's when you get yourself going and it's so true um i have to mention longmeyer

yeah because people love that i've had katie sack off on here and uh who i adore adore we all adore her and she's got her own hot gas i'm sure she's going to ask you but uh again is this a show that you would revisit oh 100 percent absolutely i mean you know it's that character especially I mean, he's certainly in the handful of what I consider to be, you know, iconic landmarks of my career. You know, I mean, six years is a successful show. There are tons of fans of the books. And he was, you know, he was very different, very, you know,

very unique to, you know, some of the other characters that I've played. And, you know, when we finished it, we all had hopes that they would revisit it, you know, because it was Netflix and it was a new thing, you know, and other actors have done this before, too, where, you know, or other projects, where the series finishes and then they go back and they do standalone movies. So we had always hoped that they would, you know, come back and, you know, let us do a long-mire mystery or two based specifically on the books. Because the series, you know, it drew from the books, it was inspired from the books,

but it never replicated any one of the plots and so uh i mean but craig has what 16 novels now it's like there's there's no shortage of a great thriller of mysteries uh if you were just to film those books so i know i know that i know that we would all you know be be interested in and revisiting oh yeah i feel like all the actors would want to do that and the audience would want you had a great uh you know uh you know viewership was great and obviously it lasted many years so yeah i hope to see that coming. All right, this is called shit talking with Lou Diamond Phillips. Some of these questions are from my

patrons, patreon.com slash inside of you if you want to ask questions. I'm going to ask them, it can be rapid fire or you could if you need to take time, whatever. Nikki L. What surprised you the most about Richie Valens while preparing for him for the role? That he was 17. I didn't know

that. I had no idea that he passed so young. Crazy. His career was only eight months long. Wow. How long did you have learn all those songs how much time one week one week how many songs i was i was uh 16 with like a dozen different versions how do you do that i i can barely learn a song for in a week bro i was scared to death i was scared shitless every single day uh and i didn't play guitar so part of my day there was a couple of hours learning the notes by wrote with a wonderful guy named jim fox so and they've already

recorded all the songs. I didn't, that's not my voice in the film. It's David Adalgo from Los Lobos. I had to learn all the lip sync and I had to learn all the guitar sync and I had a week to do it. Or there's some songs you really know and they were filming in them. They go, what is it again?

And you have to keep, you know, trying it. The actual montage of doing, Come on, let's go, which by nature, you know, he keeps changing the lyrics, you know. So, well, so. now you know there was all of those different versions and we had an hour to do it at the end of the day

or we would go into overtime and i remember the producer stepped in and said we don't get this an hour in an hour it's not in the movie so they had to put up all kinds of cue cards just so that i would know which version of the song to go into and when i turn around and almost throw that chair that was that was real frustration wow uh leanne what is the one thing that brings you the most joy? Yeah, family. Absolutely family. Number two. Number two. What's the second thing, man. What we do, man, art, you know? And that, that's just, that's everything. I mean, that's, that's making movies, but it's writing, it's reading, it's watching movies. What a great year for films, you know, they touch you in so many different ways. And so to, to be a part of that,

to be to be an artist especially in this day and age when we really really need it we need some beauty in our lives we need some some wisdom we need some philosophy we need something that's deeper than than what's you know you know merely existing um that's you know that that's a that's a big deal for me it's a big deal nanine w ldp growing up i love young guns what an iconic cast any favorite memory or something you haven't talked about or takeaways from your time on set is there any one story where you just remember like i don't really talk about that but it was or something i mean there's so many there's i mean especially on young guns are the the uh um they just what is that is it 5k or whatever whatever the hell the technology is as you can tell

i'm an absolute uh 4k i think there's 5k now isn't it okay yeah okay yeah so there was a re-release uh just recently, and we did a bunch of behind the scenes conversations. You know, myself and German, I think he for John Fusco, I think they got Emilio too. Wendell Thomas, who was Chris Cain's, you know, assistant on set. So, I mean, there are a ton of stories. It's all ridiculous. And I mean, they crack us up to this day. You know, I mean, we'll still piss us all. Piss our ourselves over some of the shit we got away with. I mean, you know, there was no TMZ or camera phones back in those days. So, yeah, yeah.

Jeanette, what was it like working with Patrick Swayze? Wow. Wow, my God. You know, I almost, I spent a trans-continental flight, you know, for like New York to L.A. They offered, they offered the Dick Brewer character to Patrick first, the one that Charlie Sheena ended up doing. and Emilio enlisted him. But the offer was out to Patrick Swayze, and I ended up on a plane with him,

and we had been friendly, and I spent hours trying to talk him into doing the movie. And he said, I've done that so many times. I've done this. I've done the ensemble thing. I can't do it anymore. And so I finally understood. And then, you know, obviously they announced his cancer,

and I ended up doing the beast with him in Chicago with, you know, like 20-degree temperatures. And we're out there like 3 o'clock in the morning. and we're freezing our asses off and I know that and it's rough because every Monday Patrick has chemo and so every Tuesday

it's tough it's tough for him on set you know and I said to a man I said bro why are you doing this why are you doing this to yourself and Patrick says what am I supposed to do Lou sit on a porch with a blanket

across my you know lap no I ain't going out that way and I'm you know I'd never forget that what a what a beautiful man. What a wonderful, wonderful man. And you and I were talking about this. That's another thing where you feel grateful, you know, that we're still in the game, that we're still here because, you know, Patrick was a friend and Bill Paxton was a friend. I, man, the list, the list goes on and on, you know, of people that we've lost that, that it's, it's, it's just,

you know, Luke Perry, you know, it's just so unfair. It's just unbelievable. You know, Paxton once I was at a party and I was really sad because my, you know, my girlfriend wouldn't take me back and she was with her ex and Paxton was there and for some reason we started talking

and he's like, looking at some girls here or some girls, I go, yeah, actually my ex-girlfriend's here with her, with her boyfriend and I've been trying to get her back and I kind of told them the story. When you're like going through a breakup or whatever or you've broken up or whatever, your mind's so hyper focused on it that you don't care who you're talking to you just like it's like that scene in

airplane where he's on the plane he's telling the story and the woman's old bones or lighting yourself on fire but he goes he goes she's here where is she i go it's the ball yeah she's beautiful hey i'm gonna talk to her i go no no no don't and sure enough i look over about an hour later and he's sitting there talking to her and he looks up at me and it was just one of those moments from like Bill Paxton is trying to win me back, the girl. This is fucking epic. Yeah. I didn't get it back.

But no, eventually I did. That doesn't matter. We're almost done here. Dana asked, what songs are on your playlist that you can't get enough of? Wow. It's so funny because I do, yeah, I will sometimes play online poker, you know, and then they just kind of hit some stuff. You know, it's kind of the typical things. You know, Tom Waits, you know.

A lot of the Seward songwriter, a lot of Jackson Brown, Crosby, Still's Nash, you know, the counting pros, you know, there's a lot of nostalgia there. What was that song by Tom Waits? I was feeling so lonely. Old 55. Yes. How does that go?

How's the chorus down? Oh, gosh. Like a truck drive? Like there's a drive. Well, now the sun's coming. up I'm rolling with lane in the

Greenways, cars and trucks stars beginning to fade That's a great song And I leave the Yeah, Tasha S. Did you ever keep anything from your movies?

And if so, what was your favorite? I was literally talking about this with the CEO of the Academy. I still have the green Labamba guitar from that first audition from the silhouettes i have that i will be donating that to the academy museum at some point holy shit yeah love that one wow well dude this has been epic i've been trying to get you on for a long

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Still going to therapy. Yeah. Enjoying it? It's helping. Yes. Good. That's what it's supposed to do. I can't wait for people to hear Pat and Oswald's episode when it comes out because he's dealt with a lot. And I really like that interview. Yeah, we just talked to him today.

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