Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Lucifer’s LESLEY-ANN BRANDT: Feel But Don’t Wallow

Episode Date: April 5, 2022

Lesley-Ann Brandt (Lucifer, Spartacus) joins us this week to share the lessons learned and different obstacles she faced pursuing a career acting in Hollywood after growing up in the completely different world of apartheid stricken South Africa. Lesley attributes her upbringing and environment in South Africa for her edge, strong attitude, and self preservation that’s helped her throughout her career on hit shows like Spartacus and Lucifer. We also talk about how actors get painted as villains for leaving a series, the importance of fitness in her life, and the self indulgence of mental wellness that some cultures aren’t afforded. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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St. Louis, Missouri, I believe. You know, I don't know when this is going to air. Oh, this airs Tuesday. Jeez, I forgot. I will be in St. Louis coming up. I will be in Illinois, Metropolis, Illinois, June, I think, believe 10th. And 11th, Tom Welling will be with me.

Then I go to Australia from the 17th for two weeks. So make sure you get your tickets to Sydney or Perth. And so on and so forth. I think I'll be in Liverpool in May as well. So anyway, Ann Brand is fantastic. She's fantastic on the show Lucifer, which has a huge, huge, huge following. Oh, yeah. Well, it was one of the biggest shows on Netflix last year. Isn't that something? If not the biggest. And you never would have thought that. Because it's a show that I've never

really seen. Well, it came from network TV and then it got put on Netflix and it just blew up. People love this show and good for them, good for her. I'm glad it's such a success. And we get into a lot about the show. We get into a lot about her fitness and her well-being and everything. She was completely open and honest and I loved, loved having her on the show. So without further ado, let's get inside of Leslie Ann Brand. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. The older you get, The tender you get, the more tender. The more fragile, vulnerable, all of those.

See, that's the thing with our age, my age, you're younger than I am, but a lot younger than I am. How old are you? I'll be 50 in July. Yeah, so is Chris going to be 50 in March? And I just turned 40. Wow, 40. Yeah.

You don't look 40. Well, thanks. You really don't. But yeah, the big four. It's the skin. Oh, thank you. The skin's just really supple, soft. Thanks.

Yeah. You know, I put a lot of effort into. moisturizing and sunscreen and how important is that I never did that till I was in my 40s you should listen so Bill Burr does we have you said Bill Burr yeah the comedian okay so we I went up for dinner with him and his wife because our kids go to school together and you know

it was like New Year's Eve and but he has this great joke where he talks about like ashy skin because his wife was like you need to moisturize dude like you're like about to like like you're like a kindling right now you know but he was like he was saying like yeah when i go back to massachusetts uh like guys look so much older because they're not moisturizing that's true are you listening to this if you guys are listening to this if you guys are listening if you get anything from this podcast today i'm telling you moisturizing changed my life yes my friend chris is like rosam because that's how he talks about rosemum yeah you got to moisturize man you have to

voice dries. You live in California. It's dry, sunscreen. And then as we age, you know, texture changes. Well, I get those spots now. I'm getting spots on my head, like little, like discoloration. So what do you have to go get those burnt off or something? Sunspots. Yeah. You don't get those, do you? No. Well, you know, my melanin challenged friend. You know, I have some natural protection. Yeah. Yeah, you've, yeah, because you grew up in South Africa. And it was, is it pretty hot there usually? Yeah. It's very hot. I mean very hot it no we have four seasons you know so we do have like autumn and winter

and fall as you guys call it over here fall but I like the accent don't you Ryan it is let me hear the the real South African accent is not sexy I mean can you imagine going to bed with someone like this and being like put it in me right now it's not cute it's not cute we joke of me and my friends joke about that all the time now do a lot of people talk like that when you go back that's how they talk no my accent

when I go back this is exactly what I sound like with my family you do that you can't it's like it's like an automatic thing and now that we're talking about South Africa my South African accent will come out more and then when I'm around because my parents live in New Zealand I moved to New Zealand and I was just like two weeks before my 18th birthday Then when I'm around my Kiwi friends or Australians, then I sound more like a Kiwi. You could do so many accents, can't. Yeah. Let me hear.

No, I can't. No, don't do that. Don't do that thing. Let me hear. Well, New Zealand. New Zealand kind of. Yeah, Kiwis, yeah. How do they sound?

You know, like, how are you, mate? No, but not like, but not like Australian can be very more like twangy. Like, I didn't really understand the difference between Australia and New Zealand. People get upset by that. Yes. And then I went to, then I flew. I flew to New Zealand I flew to Australia

on Qantas and I heard the difference between this and this this and this. Yeah, like please place anything you have to declare in the declaration being like this and Kiwis are like yeah so and Kiwis are like yeah I'm going to go get some

fish and chops. Say that again. Fish and chops. Wow! That's such a subtle thing. Fish and chops. Fish and chocks. Yeah, man. Yeah. It's almost like Owen Wilson was doing it. Yeah. Oh, wait. It's like, this is wonderful.

It's like fashion chaps. No, but I love accents. I used to prank call when I was like, I don't know, 10 years old. You prank called people. Yes. Like, what do you mean? Like, I used to prank call people too. Yeah, but I would just do accents.

Like, I was 10 years old. And the thing is my parents did get really pissed off because back in the day, we're talking like, you know, early 90s. You paid for every call in South Africa that you've made. who are these people that you've been calling exactly i don't know exactly i don't know who they are but it served me well when i moved to l.a because that's how i practiced my american accent was just to be american for a day you know jump into american right now just go ahead keep oh come on this is fun i mean i wish i could do a bunch of i mean i could do some stuff but like you know usually their impressions well i'll give you an example when i went and did my audition for lucifer

I went in exactly like this. I just was conversationally American. I had no idea. I would have thought, where would you say she was from when she's talking like this, Ryan? Go ahead. Keep talking. Natural. Oh, it's California.

Kind of California. Really? A little California. Oregon, maybe. Oregon. Just, you know. Yeah, no. So I used to, that's how I, that's how I fooled them.

And then at the end of the audition, I'd be like, oh, well, thanks, guys. and they're like, wait, you're not from here? I think they like that. Yes. I think they like hiring, you know, like someone who comes in and does American accent. Oh, they're English. Oh, they're Australian. Oh, they're, but they don't.

And they can just turn it on and turn it off. It's something, it's like, ooh, that's a real actor who can do that. Yeah. Well, I mean, the thing about it, which I think is sometimes like, it's hard for, we grow up with American television. So, you know, from a young age, I was, I mean, I was watching American TV. So I got to practice. And if you have it here for it, musically.

then you know but you guys don't grow up watching south african tv no i mean most people confuse like a kiwi accent with british and it's very different what was your favorite american tv show growing up oh don't say beverly hills 902 no all right no i loved murder she wrote murder she wrote i wanted murder she wrote i know um i wanted angina lansberry to be my grandmother so bad. Wow. Do you know I've never seen an episode of that? What? How dare you? I've seen Golden Girls. How dare you? Have you seen murder she wrote? No. Should I watch? She doesn't hold up? Yes. Yes. It's mysteries, right? Crime solving grandma with a typewriter. Is she still alive? She, yes, she didn't she do, she did, um, uh, Mary Poppins. Mary Poppins. She made,

she did the remake of Mary Poppuffers and, you know, selling the balloons in the park. Oh really? I didn't know that. Do you know that? Right. way is up like the only she's saying that song really have you ever do you sing what do you mean you say I thought I read something where you were your singer no I'm not a singer I mean I can't hold a tune I it's like it's like saying so I've sung four times on TV right for the show but I don't say I'm a singer I can just like hold a tune so you know when you're flat, you know when you're like sharp. If I'm off key, I know. You know that. Yeah, but I mean, in terms of like, will I go and cut an album? No. Really? I'm not a great singer and I've

cut two albums. I'm working on my third. How dare you? I am trying to live my dreams. Stop it. And I just don't care. I'm in here to crush your dreams. Do not be a dream crusher. I got a friend Tom, my buddy Tom Lally. And every time you say anything, he'll just crush your dreams. I'm the dream crusher. Really? He could say something like, dude, I'm getting my house painted tomorrow and the guy gave me a great deal. How much?

And I tell him, he's like, you can get so much better than that. Dream crusher. Little things like that. Rain clouds, that's what I call them. Yeah, rain clouds. Yeah. But he's relatively a positive person. These days, the older you get, you really have to alienate or sort of get rid of the people

that are negative energies that are just bringing you down. They always have problems. You know, what I've learned is to just have different expectations of people. So if I'm in a, and that's some advice that my, my, a really good friend gave me. Because I think you're just, then you don't open yourself up to anything, right? So you just go, hey, if I'm feeling down and I want to wallow in some shit, I'm going to call you. So you know what you're getting. Yeah. You're like, oh, we're both going to complain for an hour. Yeah. That's what this is about. Yeah. Or just, you know, give people permission to do it or you yourself.

I always check myself like that. Like, if I'm disappointed about something or upset about something, give myself permission to feel what I feel, but then don't wallow in the shit for too long. Yeah, that's the danger. You know, we as actors or, I mean, just in general, I think I'm very sensitive to energy like that, you know, because I know where I can go if I allow myself to. So I, you know, I just do things to... How far can you go?

Well, you just get... I mean, I remember when I first moved over to L.A. And, like, I moved by myself, live my family. How old were you? It was, like, before my 30th, I think, like... Oh, so you haven't lived here that long. Not really... 12 years.

Okay. This is my 12th year. All right. I mean, I think, hello. Fuck. I think I've, like, earned my spot in L.A. I'm not saying he didn't. I'm just saying it's...

Are you a newbie? Wait until you're here for 40 years. Oh, well, no, I haven't been there that long. But go ahead. But I just remember just allowing, like, you know, because this is the town for Hollywood and business. Crush dreams. Just crushed dreams. And everyone.

You can put your feet up, by the way. Feel free to do whatever you want. And also just to be, you know, like, I knew what I wanted to do when I came here. But I remember just people being like, oh, yeah, everyone's. come over, everyone's come over from New Zealand to try and be in, you know, Hollywood. Good luck, darling. Or, you know, oh, who do you think you are? You're just going to come over and buck up.

You know, like, and I'm like, I just can't be around that. Right. So I got my husky. You got your dog. I got my beautiful husky. And that was your best friend. He was like my homeboy for like a long time. And it was just like, I'd go.

We'd go to Barry's boot camp together. he'd be, you know, there when I'm auditioned. He'd be there when I'm crying and they didn't get the, you know, the job. He'd be there when I got the job, you know. You know, I still have, like, grandmother's friends who I'll meet them. And they'll go, so what are you doing? You're an act? It's very difficult.

It's very hard. And I just go with it. I'm like, I know. It's like, are you sure you want to do something to get into this business? It's very difficult. I know. And I could sit there and go, well, I was actually, you know, it worked, you know, but I don't.

I go, yeah, yeah, it's tough. The struggle is real. I have the flip side in South Africa where you do one gay spot, people think you're famous. Really? Just one spot living. They were like, you were on CSI, New York. Oh, my. You were on Chuck.

You were on Chuck. Oh, my word. Yeah. Like, yeah. Well, you've done a lot of work in these 12 years that you've been here. That's a lot of work. Really? Look at the resume.

Yeah. Wouldn't you say? I mean, you started out doing a lot of shows in South Africa. No, I started in New Zealand. Oh, New Zealand's where you started the acting? Yeah. So you weren't even interested in acting when you were up to 17? Well, here's what you have to understand.

So I was born in 81 in segregated South Africa. I went to segregated school. So this was not something that we were, it's not even something you dreamt about. You didn't really, even if your child had remote talent in any sort of autistic way, there just was not any resources. people were just trying to survive right so when my father got to he got a job opportunity we moved to new zealand and there because the industry is smaller the degree of separation was smaller like i knew no one who was in the business in south africa when i was growing up but you'd meet a makeup

artist in new zealand and i was doing a lot of modeling and then i was doing some commercials and the way I actually got into it I always performed in school like I did the choir and see the singing there it is that's where it all started you know I never got cast in

in any plays at school though like at my high school I know I auditioned I never got caught Was that an ego you know squash No I was just like All right whatever And then

My family got the brunt of the one man plays at home So I was fine. I got my audience. Right. But when I, it was a casting director who pulled me aside and was like, you should take this seriously and figure it out. So, because I had a whole life. Who was this?

Her name's Annabel. Annabelle Lomas. Do you still contact her? Do you still talk to her? No, but I think she's still, I always talk about her. You thanked her ever? Yeah. Oh, you have.

No, of course. Yeah. You know, she put me in, I think she was the one who was casting Spartacus. Wow. She's the one who cast Spartacus. Yeah. Here's a funny story about that. So this is talk about totally naive.

That was an intense show. Intense. Very intense. And also we were like one of the, we were like the first like really rudy, nudie shows. It was nudie. Like really rudy. I saw a few episodes and it was nudie and Rudy. Very nudie and Rudy.

So, but like so wonderful. like heightened language and like the costumes and the world. I remember walking on. They're just being like, oh, my. What was the language like? Well, it's, you know, it's Stephen Denight was the show under and he was so wonderful. I worked with him. Yeah.

He directed an episode of Small. He's a great guy. Yeah, he's wonderful, wonderful. And he, you know, it's like, your hat, my hand service dominant alone. She would not be pleased to have yours laid upon me without her consent. Like that sort of stuff, you know. It's like, fuck off. in like a very polite way.

Completely. Don't touch me. Wow. And I auditioned for that show. I'll preface this by saying, I was an IT recruitment consultant before all of this. And then I worked in sales and marketing and I was a Red Bull girl. I had like a whole life before acting. Wow.

And then I go and I audition for two shows, one local. And then Spartacus was stars and American. and I call my agent, and I walk out of the Spartacus edition, and I was like, I got it. And she was like, oh, well, I'm glad it went well, but you actually have an offer for this, like, other show. So wonderful, like, you can take it. And I was like, no, no, no, I'm going to do the American one. And she was like, no, Leslie Anderson, this is not how it works. I was like, Alice, I've booked the role.

I'm fine. You can tell them, no, thank you. Well, they haven't called me. Exactly. And Alice is like, all right, darling, we'll just table it for now. And, well, you know, 45 minutes she called me back. She goes, well, you got the roll-ons, what, I guess. Wow.

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I mean, how difficult was it? It was, well, it was challenging in that it was only my second job so I still when I you know when I look back on the show I can see how green I was and I was just and I'm still a spanned I still look at myself as I mean I don't think I'll ever not be the the new girl in my mind you know well I read somewhere that you like always you'd love to work with people that are I guess better than you or more experienced so you can learn more totally punch above my weight like you know always because I want to learn and I learn from even people making mistakes or people not making you know the choices that's needed and scenes i learned from just watching um but in that show i learned the real and i actually pulled a lot of the importance of

what like makeup and costume can do for a character and i brought that into mason lucifer you know because she had like you could you could tell a lot about who she was by how she presented herself or how she walked into a room. I learned a lot about, and I didn't know, I guess it was trusting my instincts about like, you know, protecting yourself on a sit with nudity and like what you were comfortable with and just being very. So you had to be nude? Yes.

So I did. And you had never done that before. No, bums and boobs. Bums and boobs. Bubs and boobs is what I did. I did not do the mok and stuff. It was not my jam. Were you nervous?

No. I modeled before, so it was... But you didn't model nude. Yeah, but you're like backstage and you're like whipping and stuff on it. I've never been hung up. For me, what was more important was gratuitous nudity. That was not something I was into. So I remember like one of my, well, the costume they wanted me to do was like basically

piece of fabric and then you just have this like boob out. but my chastity was being preserved by my boss as a gift and I was like her right hand person so I go well storywise line that doesn't make sense at all I'm not walking around with a teddy whipped out like for an entire season I'm not comfortable um this is what I'll give you and so that's what I was comfortable with I'll give you some side boob that's all you get Side boob, that's what I'm comfortable with. But these, but I didn't, I was having these sorts of conversations, you know, without pre-Me-to and all of that sort of stuff.

And I really do credit like being raised in Cape Town, honestly. And like my dad was like, you don't do anything, anyone. You don't do anything. You don't allow anyone to make you do something you don't want to do. Like that was always drilled into my head. So I think that's why I never got involved in like drugs. or drinking. Really never have done drugs?

Of course. I mean, we've all done. But you just didn't get in forms of drugs. No, yeah. I wasn't the kid. Oh, I was like, no, I'm not drinking tonight. I'm going to. I have a biology test to study for.

Seriously. And they'd be like, yeah, fucking nerd. And a murder she wrote marathon. Exactly. Me and Angela Lansbury have a date. Yeah. Good for you, though. Hey, good for you.

You're strong. You don't have an addictive personality. No. And I have friends who do, you know, and family members. who do and so I if I didn't feel like it I didn't want to do it but um that show taught me a lot about sort of not just the croft but like the business you know the business because it smacks you in your face when you come to LA it's like yeah my first team member was a was my lawyer really it was the first person first person oh man because I was like oh you got it really like

make sure you're protected over here. And not only that, it's amazing how when you have conversations when people want to rep you, those conversations, it is just they throw everything at you. You're wonderful. This is where your career needs to go. They talk about you like you've always wished someone would talk about you. And you're like, of course I'll sign you as my manager. Gosh, you really love me.

And this is the thing. Our, like, as a South African, our natural instinct is like, what do you want? like when someone i don't trust you like literally i don't trust someone comes at you like it's like what do you want um you're making me uncomfortable yes yes so i uh no it was is this is this is a great this was a it was a good show to like dip my toe in you know and then the period the period was wonderful yeah that's amazing why now you know i read that you didn't go back there was what were the reasons you didn't come back i was a local hire when i was college on spartica And when I came to the States and I got representation and, you know, I really wanted, like, a sad contract, you know.

And Andy at that point was sick and renewed like he wasn't coming back. And for me, like, I had a manager who did not handle the situation while and I fired him subsequently after that. I really wanted to I had that golden ticket I had the visa I had a working oh one visa and I was like I just I got it back myself I've never not done that so you could have gone back and done it and just played it as a local hire and made way less money I still to this day don't get residuals on that show yeah so you know I think that's a misconception about a lot of shows like people think you know you get a lot of residuals from things those dry up pretty quickly and especially with streaming now they haven't figured it out so you know smallville's all over the place and nothing or i have other you know whatever sure sure um but it was like i was negotiating like as a local and i mean this there's no disrespect to the local industry because new zealand has got wonderful crews um and actors but we were as actors and i don't know if it's still the same because i haven't worked there since but a bare minimum like negotiating for a trailer you know just to and you're about

to do like a nude scene or something like that and these were the kinds of things that were being used in negotiations. And I was just, I remember coming over in like two weeks, within two weeks, I booked like a recurring role on CSI and I booked Chuck. So like one day it was like an assassin with, you know, Zach Levi and like in, you know, fighting Yvonne. And then in the afternoon, I'm kidnapped by Neo. And, you know, I was like, wow, this is Hollywood. This is an amazing thing. Yeah, you're really doing it. Totally. And, but I had, it was so much, it was so collaborative, you know, from everything,

from hair to makeup. And then I was like, I made more money just doing that. So a lot of people are like, oh, you know, I think at the time it broke, there was this, like she was greedy. She was, I'm like, I wasn't greedy. I just. Isn't it, they could just make you look so bad. Totally.

Like I remember, I've talked about it at nauseam, but then, you know, just like, he left small, though. What is you doing after? why would you leave i go i didn't fucking leave how many times do i have to tell you i got mad at kevin smith i go kevin why did you say i you know that i i didn't leave i was supposed to do six seasons i did seven is that leaving that's giving them another fucking year man yeah but you know it's no matter how you do it you look like the bad guy they like to paint that picture and i do i do i mean it was so like it's such a you know non thing and they was they replaced the role and another wonderful

actress got to have her take on it and no hard feelings at all definitely a hard thing to go through as an actor and then another wonderful lesson like no one's irreplaceable right so good lesson to learn there um yes but what happened was within that two weeks i met jonathan litman and christian reed my brockheimer producers on lucifer and i did that and when i auditioned for lucifer they go oh we remember you from CSI thank you so much for like that was so wonderful so like had i gone back i wouldn't have done CSI probably right and didn't you replace ironically someone on lucifer i did um yeah for whatever reason it didn't work out at the table read and um and uh my understanding was there was just creative differences and like what the character was going to be and i went to that

audition in like full leather bra leather pants the girls in the waiting room were like wow no one else was doing that no you just went for it i went for it same way oh my god this reminds me my very first acting gig uh i was supposed to be this princess from this

fictional island right in new zealand called diplomatic immunity right i had no idea what i was doing on that show but I went in like bikini top just because she's supposed to she was supposed to be protesting at like a pageant and they looked at me like what are you doing and I was like well I'm just I don't know trying shit and I got the roll you know it's when you just go above and beyond sometimes it backfires I did an audition for Mike judge and I thought you know he's weird he does a

lot of weird shit. I'm going to go in there and I went in so weird and I brought like a ceramic dog like a little ceramic dog that I thought it would be funny for the character and I just set it on the desk and I didn't really make a lot of eye contact with Mike and I just kept in this character and this voice. And then afterwards I go, Mike to my manager at the time ago, how did I do? He goes, I'm going to be honest with you, man. You really scared Mike, Judge. You really made him uncomfortable. Wow. What? How did I make Mike judge uncomfortable? And so you got to take those chances, though. You take a chance and you're like, because it might just work and it might not. Yeah. But do you get nervous before auditions? Totally. You do. I still do. I mean, now it's changed a lot

because now we're self-tapping, right? Yeah. Good old COVID. And it's got its pros and cons. You know, you get to tape as many times or whatever. Um, but I used to have. I used to have this really hardcore nervous tick, like my leg would shake and my bottom lip would quiver. Always. In the beginning, my first audition in Los Angeles, I took a giant dump in the room, like, stank that thing out. It was so bad. Well, you mean in the bathroom?

No, in the actual room, like metaphorical dump. Oh, like. Guys, come on. Like, who's shitting in audition rooms? Well, my friend Bobby Lee actually did. That's why I say that. He actually shit in some guy's office once. Oh, no.

That's why I was like, did she really shit? I love this girl. Wow, she took a dump in a casting room. But I went in and we were not used to 10 pages the night before. Like this is just like not in New Zealand. You have the casting director, a camera, you get a reasonable enough time to learn it. And you're completely off book. And it's like, I don't know, like the normal way, right?

For me, I go in and I'm like fumbling with the papers and I'm like, I'm so, and this is my very first. And again, I'm so sorry. in, you know, in New Zealand, we don't. And I say all of this stuff. And this, again, a wonderful lesson. I thank this producer with my whole heart. He was like, well, you're not in New Zealand now. So, thank you very much. And, like, I had to leave. I didn't cry. I was just like, all right. Were you thinking about it? I was like, man up. You're in Hollywood now. You're in L.A. Wow. You've got to like, man up. You're not New Zealand anymore. Yeah. Are you glad he said that? Yes. You are.

100%. Not at the moment. Well, that I'm not in New Zealand. What do you mean? Not in the moment when he said that. No, I was embarrassed. I felt awful, you know, but I, again, I think I was raised by a wonderful man who was just like, take the knock on the chin, you know, figure out what you have to do, and then you get back up again. Right.

Was your mom tough like that, too? Yes. My mom is hard. My mom is very nurturing. She is very nurturing. and but my dad I was like my dad's son for 11 years until my brother came along so I was like changing tires and wow you know playing field hockey playing field hockey do you like ice hockey no oh I can't I can't follow I'm like where's the puck thing like I could teach you in five minutes but also

here's my other thing also why the fighting why the smushed faces against the thing why is the knocking of the teeth like a thing? I'm going to just be brief on this. Okay. There's an emotion when you're playing and you're playing in a sport that's so fast moving, right? And you bump into each other and you get kind of like, you know, it's almost like, you know, like, you know, hey, watch where you're going.

Watch your stick, man. By accident, someone's stick gets near your face. You're like, hey, watch your effing stick. And it's just like, it's a beautiful sport. But I think sometimes, you know, it's legal to hit them against the board and take the puck as long as you don't take more than three strides or it's a charge and penalty so you can hit them and mostly as long as they're clean remember they're you're trying to be clean clean hits a clean game sometimes there's fights and it sometimes changes the momentum of a game

sometimes if you're losing three nothing you're embarrassed you're in your home crowd is just booing you and all of a sudden you drop the gloves with the other team you're like you look at them and it there's a man the man kind of uh there's sort of a respect thing where like you want to go they say that you want to go he's like sure let's go throw him down and they fight and they're totally cool after they just you know they and they fight so it's it's just something that i i don't know i love hockey i'm more of a rugby girl rugby they don't even wear helmets they just like yeah but they don't they're not like they're so dangerous yeah they don't wear helmets and they have less concussions do they have less concussions i don't know how that's possible no they do well it's because they

like they learn proper tackling techniques and there's less temptation to smash them with the head when you have a naked head because what happens to people with people with the like see now we're going to get into the football rug thing which my American friends are like shut up lazily and I'm like listen don't try and teach me football I don't know football I'm here for the guac and Madonna okay that's what I hear for I know they hate me my husband hates me my manager who's like a big football guy he's like come on um but I think yeah exactly what you're saying the helmet and the pads you feel invincible it's like putting on like super arm Like, yeah, I'm going to, you know, rugby, it's got to be strategic.

Also, it's the, like, stop start of the game that I don't get. It's like, wait, now, why, like, why the Madonna headsets there? Did they not figure out how to make, like, smaller mics? You're talking about football now, yeah. Yeah, like, why, like, why is there a commercial every, like, five minutes? Yeah, kind of slow. It's just sort of, yeah, the flow. I like the phases of rugby, like watching, like, a beautiful team to watch New Zealand.

The All Blacks. Really? It's like watching... They're called the All Blacks. The All Blacks. And you should see them do the Haka. It's like a traditional Māori, like warrior. I've never been to a rugby contest.

Come on. Is it a contest? Google the shit. You just Google a Haka. It'll like pump you up. Totally. If you want to get juiced, if you're like, I got this audition with my whatever judge. And I got to see him again and like I got to psych myself up.

Go watch a hawker. It's inspiring. It is. All right. I'll check it out. Yeah. But yeah, this is the game that I love. I see what you're saying. But I think, have you ever been to an ice hockey game? I have. All right. I think if somebody explains it to your right and they explain you what's going on and what's happening, I think it's very different. And two good teams battle each other. It's extremely fast. It's extremely fast. It's extremely fast. And it's exhausting. And one minute on the ice that you need to break because that's how hard you're skating.

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health things, you think you'd be in a bad place? you think health really or like working out and all these things really stimulate you and help you and achieving what you want to well i've always been an athlete so you know i swam competitively i played field hockey i played tennis basketball athletics um my dad was a lifeguard i come from like a family of sportsman your dad was a lifeguard yeah wow in the shark infested oceans of gap down south after god did you see a lot of sharks yeah did you see a lot of sharks yeah i went shark cage diving. I mean, this is, hello, Africa, welcome. Any really close encounters were your word? Like, oh, shit. No. No, no, no. But go ahead. But you respect the ocean. Right.

So you're, you know, but I think that being physically active, it is important to, not just my physical health, but like my mental health. I mean, there's all these scientific studies. You can, like, endorphins are released. You feel better. You have more energy. Um, so I don't. feel good physically or mentally if I'm not moving and active, you know, be it, I mean, just before I came here, I was at my trainers, who's like, you know, 15 minutes from you. And, but I'm like, I had to get it in because my husband's away. I haven't worked out for three days properly. I actually had an ACL knee surgery like three and a half months ago. So I'm, like, committed to the my second one rehab and really work yeah rehab and working it you know work out but

it's um yeah it's a big part of my family's lifestyle right is being active and healthy um and not to the extent where i'm like not having you know fun right you know because i know people who are like i ought to just be clean it's hard it's hard to the older you get it's just hard to get in that gym I'm like, fuck, man. It's just like I feel, I don't want to do legs ever and legs of the, I mean, it's just, you do feel better after you do it. You feel like a sense of accomplishment. Yeah. Where do you work out here?

I just, yeah, I have a little gym downstairs, a small gym, but I probably should get out of there. That's not saying, yeah. I knew you're going to say that. For me, like, it's why group fitness was like a big thing for me, like, being with other people because I don't need a trainer standing over me going like, you know, I just need to get out. Right. You know, I just need to get out. out and be around. I like the gym.

I like seeing other people. But yeah, I would, I would try and, you know, go see someone. Go see Paolo, my trainer. It's great. He's a transformer. He's expensive, isn't he? Yes. I bet he's like $200 an hour.

Yeah, more, yeah. $300 an hour. No, not, I mean, maybe. I don't know. 225. That's a lot, it's a lot. I mean, it's a lot, but is he, is he worth it? Totally.

Paolo's like body transformer. You know, his, his speciality. I mean, he transformed Tom. Tom went from like, you know, season one and two. You're talking about Welling? No. Oh, Tom Ellis. Tom Ellis, the lead.

Like season one and two, you know, and Tom's always like a handsome dude, but like he gave him like a superhero body. Like came to season four, people were like, damn, what happened? Really? Yeah. and he's working I mean he's done it with a lot of cost members um he's just he's very specific he's like me we're both you know we eat plant based health and wellness is like very important to us uh we don't you know people who don't work out for me i'm like it's not that i think i don't judge

you at all but i go god if you only know how wonderful this is how much how good this is for you yeah I know. It really is. It's just mentally, too. Totally. I deal with anxiety. I deal with other things. Yeah. Did you ever deal with those things? Have you ever been depressed or had anxiety or dealt with that stuff or not really? Yeah. You know, I think there was one time in my life. It was very, very challenging. My dad was, my mother suffers from depression. And so she has her coping mechanisms, and, you know, she grew up in a time and in a country where therapy was not available. And South Africans can be very like, I'll just deal with it. It's part of life.

Just sweep it out of the rug and keep going, you know. And we're not, we can sometimes, I think the general consensus is sometimes like it's self-indulgent, you know. but and I understand why because that's life is so different there you know it's so difficult to like stop worrying about yourself we've got other issues here we've got social issues we're literally trying to put food on the table like there's like we're literally just trying to like snap out of it exactly exactly um so but i in high school so she went through a really challenging time in my final year of high school and I was you know 17 I was taking care of my mother you know cooking for everyone my brother who um you know had really bad ADHD um looking off to my grandparents at the

same time for 17 year old it was like a lot and like that was hard that was like a tough time I was like oh okay and then I would say another was like post baby when I was just because I went back to work six weeks after I had Kingston and I was really struggling to juggle my responsibilities to the show be a good wife keep this baby alive yeah be an actor like go back to work not physically feeling or looking like yourself you think that's postpartum is that right I think I had a little bit of that yeah I think and I don't think I realized it until much later I actually wrote a little, I wrote something about it for Self Magazine about just, it had to do with like, you know, women's right to choose and just like what I experienced. But. What do you mean

what you experienced? Well, I, well, what I experienced as a new mother and when I made the you know, like what an abortion is for like a woman and why we make these decisions, right? And I think the more we talk about stuff like that, like the more people feel like, I oh, it's not just me. You know, she seems to have it all together and, like, wonderful family, but we all have challenges, you know, you just never know what's going on in someone's life. Right. But to your point, working out helps, you know, getting in the gym for me or doing something

physical, going on a hike, you know. Get yourself out there. Just go for a walk, do something. Yeah. And my friends who really do struggle with a lot of anxiety and depression, like, they, talk about how a win for them some days is just having a shower. I'm like, take the win. Take the win, honey. Take the shower. Take the win. Take the win. It's okay, day by day. Yeah. That's tough. So Lucifer. I mean, is Lucifer over now?

Done. It's done. How do you feel about that? It's weird. We did six seasons, right? Yes, I was there from the pilot. From the pilot on. I mean, you were there through the cancellations, through the revivals, through the, you've been through it all. I don't think any show has been canceled twice. Was it canceled twice? Yeah. That's seldom. And the fans got the show back on the air? Yeah.

That's just incredible. Crazy. Social media. It's insane. How do you feel when you did your last episode when you knew this was the end? Because this is a big part of your life. Big part of my life. How did it affect you?

It was incredibly, like, sad, you know, to, there's a familiarity with, uh, with the lot 10 minutes from my house i sleep in my own bed some days i finish i can pick my kid up from school you know just like having that people are watching yeah people are watch yeah to get on the show people watch and really like you know yeah and big fan base and not only watch we were just recently like Forbes were like you were the top watch show for netflix in 2021 or something Are you serious? Yeah. So, like, benched or something.

So, like, to, I don't think you really, you know, realize it. Like, I didn't, we had no, I had no idea what we were making until the show was on for a few years. And then I realized when I would travel abroad or, you know, what that fan base was. Right. Because you're, you're just making this little show in Los Angeles, right? And then you put it out into the world and hopefully. See what happens. Most of the time it's a piece of shit.

And every once in a while you get a little golden nugget. Yeah. So it's, you know, it's had this like this crazy life cycle, the show. I was really sad to, I loved our crews and we got to do, we got to have crews in both Vancouver and L.A. And they were honestly like the backbone of that show because I was still it was full. fun. It was a fun sit to go to. And I think that was something we were all really proud of was guest stars wanted to come and work on the show. Crew said no to jobs and hoping that the show would get another season. You know, that's a big compliment. And then just, you know, add COVID on top

of that, just how much they were busting their ass. So we had, I mean, I just hung out with, like, Jackie, who's my stand in, like, she came over and helped me out to walk my dogs. I was like, Jackie, I need help. Like, and she's like, I'm like, let's why. I'm like, let's why. watching movie let's watch bond so you know we hang out i went on a hike with my makeup artist headvig like you take these wonderful people with you headwig headvig from hungary she is she's the terminate of makeup you look beautiful barring um so you miss the crew a lot too i miss the crew who's the one person in the cast you're just like i miss all of them but the one i miss is that's a you know it's on your you want to say it but you don't want to say it i can't say it

You can't say it. I don't want to say it. How about top? No, you can't say top three. Yeah, because somebody's going to be. I'm not even top three? What the fuck are you doing? Here's what I will say is, you know, it's where to get a group of people as actors, six years,

and who were still as committed to the work, you know, six years down the line. We all were really like. We have to go out. We have to put our best. We have to show up every day. And you're allowed, you know, obviously there were days where, you know, people are not feeling their best or personal stuff is happening in their lives. But 99% of the time you're showing up there and it's fun. Right.

It's like you're getting, it's a wonderful rally back and forth in these scenes. And our show was like silly, but then heartfelt at the same time. But then had like badass action. But then super goofy. Was it the first time you ever had to kiss a woman was on Lucifer? I mean on TV. She's Lois. To robin those bombs.

Hey-ho. Those Rosen bombs. Hey-oh. But it wasn't the first time in real life. I can't. In real life, he says. In real life. Was it my first time on TV?

No, I don't think on TV. Probably in Spartacus. You probably did something. No, I didn't. No, I. I'm just wondering if it was like, you know, it's the first time you do something. It's weird. You know, I've had to kiss a man before.

It's never been weird. Of course it was, actually I did in college. We were playing spin the bottle. And we guys had to kiss guys if girls kiss girls. That was just the rule. So I was like, fine. I think it's weird. I want to see girls kiss girls.

So let's go. And then they spun the bottle on me and I had to kiss, you know, Matthew Semrick. And I was like, he had great lips. I wasn't into it. Shout out to Matthew. Simric where you are. He had great lips. We kissed each other. I was like, hey, man, you're a soft kisser. And now I know why you get all the hotties. You know, I had to kiss Rourke, kissed him. Anyway, back to you. Yeah, I don't. No, but it was not weird for me.

Wasn't weird. No. You kind of get used to it where you're like, oh, no, I love this person. No, yeah, but also it's like, it's the work, you know. I mean, that's the thing about actors. My husband's an actor too. And, you know, we got to kiss other people. You just got to get used to it. Do you ever go home and go, God, it was really great kissing that guy. Why the fuck would I do that? I know, how rude would that be?

Oh my God. Could you imagine? But you know what? I'll tell you what, there is something to be said about, like people go, people always the response from actors that I've talked to is like,

it's a job, man. It's just a job. I'm just going there and do a job. No, I've seen people not have it be more than a job. Like I see, I've seen people have things develop. You know, it is a job. You just have to, like,

you have to be, truthful and professional and professional yes but i'm just saying like those days where i didn't kiss christ and crook on smallville uh i'm not saying those were maybe they were worse days than the days where i actually had to kiss her it wasn't a bad thing that i had to kiss her i didn't i was professionally no she knows i was joke about it but i'm like you know it doesn't suck you know all i care is fresh breath man that's my thing oh that's me too if you have bad breath you'll Oh, I'm out. Listen, I will literally have a sidebar conversation with her makeup artist, and I'll be like, I'm, excuse me, can you just make sure that there's mints in their bag?

Yeah, I think they had a shit sandwich before lunch. I'm like, can you please? And I've been known to ask people like, hey, so we have kissing scene. Would you mind just like brushing your teeth before? Flossing. Flossing, turpentine, whatever you need. Yeah, girl, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, just take it down the throat.

Yeah, there's nothing worse when you have a sex scene and you're just like, oh, boy. And people, okay. They don't get it. So I had this, so on Spartagos, this actor who, he would go and run around the fucking ludus, like, got to get my jet, got to get my muscles, you know. He'd run around nude? No, like run around the ludus. Oh, the ludus.

And I'm like, dude is sweating. Smelling? Smelling. And I've lit, I'm like, can you someone get the X body spray or? whatever musk like whatever that's unprofessional so unprofessional like so and like sweet and then you've got it like i was so i'm with you yeah please i'm i'm very yeah it just be oh and like mouth odor yeah come on guys yeah come on get it together for whomever get it together yeah um i have to ask you about the morgan freeman project

the district six yeah because i saw some have you obviously met him Because you have this project. The God, the, listen. Well, Leslie. Oh, my Lord. Leslie and Brand. It's wild to know that I'm going to geek out. Geek out, man.

I have to geek out. So it's wild to know, you know, you have this idea and it's about your community and your people. And it's about like history and like a place where your mother grew up. And you write it down seven years. years ago. And then you just keep telling the story, telling the story. And then you go to Morgan Freeman's production company and they're like, we love it. Like eight years later. Working with my partner who's Irish, Adrian, Adrian Cunningham from Vancouver. See, look at your accent. Hello, Adrian Cunningham from Vancouver.

So, well, he's from Dublin, actually. So, but him and I, you know, this Irish and South African kind of coming together and it was it's wonderful we are in where we're at right now is we found a writer you've got projects like in development you know what this process is like right I have full respect for it it's tough man I have so many projects that I just love and I'm like why is in this selling or why is this taking so long or you just you don't get it and you just go hey man do this because you love it and if something happens with it yeah so be in So it's a very personal story. It's never been told before.

It's actually the area that it takes place in, District 6, is what the movie District 9 was based on. But what we're leaning into, and it is state and, you know, a part state, but what we're really leaning into is the joy that people had despite what was happening around them. So I think we've, you know, especially these last two years, you've seen a lot of trauma, porn, TV, that's just too much. It's why I think Ted Lassau's done so well. You know, it's just like a really... Inspiring. Heartfelt show. That's funny.

And it's good. It makes you feel good. Right. You know. I mean, people say that I have to see it. You watch it. Do you like football? Like real football where you use your feet?

Sure. Sure. Come on. No, I guess I do. I mean, I do. I like sports. I'll check it out. Yeah.

It's funny. And, but yeah, so we're leaning more. into that and telling you know stories from Africa that are not just depressing like we're just as a continent we're more than that we're more than famine and poverty and war and like it's a beautifully rich continent that has many different countries yeah with many different cultures what's that movie uh won an Oscar Tozi no no maybe that did win an Oscar South African. Benigo would say he's an Italian actor

and it was through the Holocaust and through World War II And he's with this life is beautiful Life is beautiful So you know how he's always trying to make things light and happy And fun during the horrible times So in a sense like that But not as not as dark Well we're gonna be truthful to what was happening

Right But it's a beautiful love story between two sisters You know female focused And And the writer that we're talking to her movie, Barakat, is the official selection for South Africa for the Oscars in the international film section. And she did a very similar thing in that she took a Muslim family and just told a really heartfelt story, but they just happen to be Muslim. Like, it's not a, it's just a family story, right? And I think, you know, for coming from where I come from and now living in the States, we are so fortunate that we grow up surrounded by, you know, this community of District 6 had Christian, atheists, Jews, Muslim, anyone and everyone, Protestants, whatever.

Like, living together harmoniously, people from all walks of life, different races, like they exist, their mere existence was defiance to the government, right? That says something about the human spirit and what we're able to overcome. So, and then I think there's also a great opportunity, as we've seen with, you know, shows like Watchmen where you can educate people within the first five minutes of your pilot on, you know, Tulsa, Oklahoma and Black Bull Street. And you do it from an, you know, it's entertaining, but also you learn history. And then that's all people we're talking about. Did you know that that happened? Do you know, like that that exists? And it's amazing how most people don't realize a lot of the events that happen in history.

I'm probably one of them. There's some things that I'm just like, oh, I don't know anything about that. Yeah. And I should. There's so many things. Are you a big documentary watching? I love documentaries. Yeah, me too.

I love documentaries. Me too. Yeah. We'll compare. Maybe you'll send me some to watch. Yeah. I'll send you some to watch. Did you watch Misha and the Wolves recently?

No. Is it good? It's. You have to email me that. Yeah. Email me that. I've got some, too, that. that are deep water, I think it's called.

Ooh. It's about these sailors in 1969 that they race around the world and they start in England and it will take them a year. And they all start at different times, but it's all based on the fastest time and who will, you know, have the fastest time to do it. And this one guy who's more of a weekend sailor, he shouldn't have been on the boat. And he, and you're by yourself. You don't have any crew.

You're all alone out to sea for a year. and you use, you know, you journal and you record things, and it's his story. He's like, dear God, what have I done? It is, like I got goosebumps, even thinking about it. I've seen it twice, and it's just like, I just love the trailer. Donald Crowhurst sailed around the world and into oblivion, or some shit like that. I forgot what it was. crowhurst but you have to see that it's really good i'm into it i'm into it all right these are uh this

is uh shit talking with leslie and brand talk some shit this is uh patrons my lovable patrons you go to patreon dot com slash inside you support the podcast these are people that do that and they have questions so they can be rapid fire okay dana asks any chance of now i always know as maize is it mazicane it's mazicane right any chance of mazacan spin off i think that would be dope as f Listen, you want to, I don't know, raise your social media. It's happened before. I say, and anything can happen. But, you know, for our show in our world, I think we ended on a good, you know, vibe.

But maybe not a show, maybe like a movie, like a Netflix movie or something. I don't know. Sebastian K. In real life, are you an angel or a demon? I'm just knowing you, I'd probably say somewhere in between. I'm South African. Let's just leave it there. I'm South African.

Figure it out. Danny, fantastic guest. Would love to hear her thoughts on filming the musical episode of Lucifer. Her version of Bad to the Bone is amazing. See? You know, I honest to God,

I was really scared about that episode because I was like, are we jumping the shark? Is it like, are we like doing that thing? Like, why are, like, you know, And we are a very musical show. You know, Tom sings.

The playlist is like a huge pod. But I will say it was fun. It was really fun to do. I had got to learn choreography and, you know, I was not sure about the mashup between TLC and Bat to the Bone. I was like, oh, how is this going to work? You know, but that's just typical actor shit. Right. We're judging the minute we get the page, judge, judge, judge, judge, judge.

But it was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun to shoot, yeah. Abel-F, what is the best and worst memory that is attached to a potential paranormal slash supernatural experience you have had growing up from South Africa to across the globe? I have no idea, but that was a question. What is the best, worst memory that is attached to a potential paranormal, supernatural experience that you have had growing up from South Africa to across the globe? I've never had a paranormal supernatural.

supernatural something you're like oh my god this is weird how did this happen how is this no nothing you've had nothing weird happen i guess they asked that because the whole lucifer thing and they're yeah maybe i don't think i've had any nothing that scared you like how did nothing no was south africa supposed to be a haunted country we have demons south africa has demons i mean yes they were the government oh there you go there you you go perfect perfect answer for that one will f eyebrow scar real real or fake real real brother 11 years old had a mug he was like a in his walking ring or whatever and he's like whee blood everywhere and i was like ah and typical south african dad it's fun just put some water on it

yeah you'll be okay never got stitches but at here my dad did that with my lips split my lip open a garage door, a piece of glass came down from the garage and split my lip open. This one's from hockey, but, and he's like, you're fine. I'm like, Dad, I'm gushing blood. He's like, no, he's so cheap, you wouldn't even take me to the doctor. I'm telling you, it was cheap. Now, my, well, I don't think it was my parents were cheap, but they really couldn't afford it. They just couldn't afford it.

They just really couldn't afford. But it healed in like a perfect line. So, you know, I love it because it reminds me of my brother. I love him. Little Lisa, what time period would you travel to if you were given a time machine? Hmm. Well, not the Roman times, because I'd be a slave. Um, I don't know.

I think I've always loved, like, the 70s, you know, just in terms of, like, fashion, like, music. Hippiest, laid back. Free, 60s, 70s. Yeah. I mean, a lot of that depends on your race, too, about how fun those things would be, you know. But, yeah, I love that. Like, I grew up on my parents' old, like, sort of 70s, 80s music. What's your favorite song or favorite artist or top three or someone you really listen to?

Oh, that's right. I'm, like, major adult fan. major. Really? Yes. But I'm talking old school, like 70s, like what your parents were in. Okay. So I grew up listening to, you're going to laugh.

I grew up listening to The Carpenters. I love the Carpenties. There's another song that they have. I love, I grew up with like Aretha Franklin, you know, Barry White, Teddy Pendergross. um my grandfather loved old blue eyes um frankie sinatra yeah um music was always a big part of like what what you know was happening in my house for it's called for all we know oh do you know it oh yes you do i probably have it on my phone here we go come on rosam Love, look at the two of us, strangers in many ways.

All right, that's it. Oh, what a great song, huh? Yes. Yeah, the Carpenters. We've got a lifetime to say, I knew you well. Oh, my God. What a great line. Yeah.

You've got a lifetime to say, I knew you well. this has been really fun this is good did you have fun oh my gosh this is so easy it is I mean it's nice when it's easy wait so what I'm welling tell you about me

let me see I got it right here he says badass he's a badass you know you play a bounty hunter you totally pull it off he doesn't know if you were pregnant or you just had it

just had it were you pregnant just had the baby yeah just had I'm pregnant or just had it he doesn't know but he says how you jumped into the role

one scene you had a knife fight after being around you he said you were so intense that she might actually stab him he was concerned but says so much fun loves you loves your husband so do you remember that knife scene yeah yeah I love you pregnant at the time or you just come back so let's see and you just went right for it

the old tender loins were still tender are you fun on set like I mean after a take do you snap into fun Leslie Ann Brandt Are you still a demon? No, we goof around a lot. Oh, you do. That's important. No, no, no, we goof around a lot.

But I will say when I'm in it or where I'm like, when my character's being aggressive, whatever, it's not hard for me to channel that part. And I just think that that's just my South African-ness. It's just girls are raised to, like, cut you from birth, right? Watch you bleed out. Right. You know, because we have to know. But I love Welling and I love JIS. We hung out with him at the polo.

And we were laughing because we're like, look at us, we're just parents, we have a date to ourselves. We could have, like, yummy champagne. All we're doing is talking about how obsessed we are with our kids because we love them and we miss them and it's been an hour. That's nice. I know. What's next? Anything coming up or are you just kind of taking a minute to breathe? So I have both those projects and development.

And then there's some things, you know, stirring, hence I couldn't come the other day. Yeah, you met with a big director. Can't say who it was. So, you know You can't even say that Well, let's just see what happens We'll just see, you know But yeah, I'm in that great phase

Where you can take You finish the show for six years And, you know, you want to Just kind of see what the next thing is Yeah I like it Yeah Ryan, you have anything?

This is really fun Yeah, what did you got, Ryan? What do I have? Nothing. Nothing. I wish I had something. I really wish. something. What was the last song you sang in your car?

Oh, Adele. Adele. What song? A woman like me. You gave a lot of the new one. A woman like me. You give that stank look right after. I never had a woman like me. See? That's one of the new ones. That's one of the new ones. I don't know any of the new ones.

I just know rolling in the day. I'm so badly want to go to see her in Vegas, but it's like redonculously expensive. I saw her at the Lakers game Last week she was just sitting there I was like oh there's Adele she's cool Did I've never been to a basketball game Really? Ever I gotta do that maybe I'll take you in your hubby Do you got do you got hookups?

I am not Brian but I do I do have a hookup Come on a little hookup Come through I have to go to the game with you though Come let's go Inviting me to the game Yeah let's go I'll take your seat Yeah you can sit with me Yeah it's a lot of fun

I think you have a blast. Yeah, I'd love to meet Chris. Where are you from? I was born in New York, grew up in Indiana, southern Indiana. Yeah, he's a East Coast boy. I don't have really a New York accent. I could turn it on when I go, you know, a little bit.

He's Massachusetts, lived in New York for like. Pack your cat and have it yet, kind of guy. What? Pack your cat and have it yet. Is that how they told me? I don't know. No. New Yorkers are turning on Boston.

I doesn't say Boston. Yeah, pack your cat and have it. Yeah. My brother-in-law lives in Boston. Really? Did he talk like that? Quincy. Quincy, no.

He's from Massachusetts. His wife's from Quincy. Julie, she's got, my sister-in-law, she's got, she, what does she say always? Fish and Shapes? Was the Fish and Ships thing you said? No, she's. I love that. She has a saying.

Oh, God, I forget. But no, her accent is like, that's one that I love. Say fish and chips again. Fush and chops? Fush and chops? Fush and chops? I won't worry. I love this.

Thank you for allowing me to be inside of you today. Of course. Hopefully you'll come back. I will. Anytime. Awesome. This is a blast. Thanks. I think if you like that episode, I urge you to say, hey, you know what, Rosenbaum's not bad.

Let's follow them on the Twitter and subscribe and write a review. I liked her. I liked her, too. I did. She was a joy. You always remember the really good interviews of the interviews where you like someone. Yeah. It's not that I don't like anyone.

No. But I liked her. No, she had good stories. And, you know, she did. South Africa. Mm-hmm. yeah she had some really great stories she just seems like just a fun person to be around yeah uh if you enjoy the episode like i said write a review subscribe we can watch on youtube subscribe there

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I've been in the Magic Castle probably four. four times. I've seen a lot of magic. I saw something last night, this guy, Johnny Palmville or Johnny Knoxville? No, Johnny something. Palmer, Johnny Palmer, something. Older gentlemen, slight a hand. I've never seen anything like it. I've never ever seen anything like it. Me, my friends, a gas. It was just astonishing what he was doing. He had this thing where There's these three cups and people turn it over and they turn it back. And then there's three chickens, little chickens in there. And you know, there's no way he did it.

He made a deal with the devil. He made a GD deal with the devil. That's a goddamn warlock. It was, I'm telling you, I'm going to bring you to the Magic Castle, you and Amanda. We did with you before. Yes, but we're going to go again when he's there. That's just awesome. Let's give a shout out to all the top tier people.

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