Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - LUCY LAWLESS: Fighting as XENA: Warrior Princess, Calling the Shots Now & Thrill Seeking Passion in ‘Never Look Away’

Episode Date: January 16, 2025

Lucy Lawless (Xena: Warrior Princess, Spartacus) joins us this week to share the unabashed passion and connection she has with her newest documentary Never Look Away: exploring the traumatic and thrill seeking life of an adrenaline fueled journalist touring war zones. Lucy talks about her time during Xena: Warrior Princess, including what it was like discovering she was a voice for the marginalized and issues that occurred with guests on set. We also talk about her journey overcoming PTSD, the power of re-parenting yourself through having a child, and issues during nude scenes while filming Spartacus. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ This episode is sponsored by by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self. 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside 👕 Quince: https://quince.com/inside 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Ryan Teos is here. Hello. Wow. I mean, we've got to start out with the fires. I mean, everybody's talking about it because they should be talking about it. But it's just, you know, my heart goes out to so many of my friends and families and people that just lost everything. It's just tragic. And it was, it was a scary situation. It's still scary as we speak. I think people think that it's over. And it's not. There's still fires going on. And it's still, you know, people are still evacuated. And some have been evacuated. evacuated for over a week. I remember when they, I was evacuated, I was out to eat. And all of a sudden, my friend texted me and said, uh, runyon's on fire. And then there's a witset fire in the valley. And we were, you and I were just talking about this, but there's, there's a weird, like, I'm sort of like, the little things get me anxious and I'm like, you know, but when something

like this happens, it's like you zone in on what's important and nothing else matters. And there's a calmness that kind of came over me. I have to get home. I have to get whatever I can, but I have to just get my dogs. I want to get my dogs into safety. That's all I thought of. And I was fortunate enough. I had friends spending the night.

And we came to the house and I got a few stupid things and loaded up the van. And I evacuated. And, you know, my friends were like, what are we going to do? I go, what we're going to do is we're going to load up the van with all the essentials that I need. And we're going to go to the Vaughn's parking. lot at the grocery store and then we're going to figure out what we're going to do yeah right now is not the time it's step by step get out of the house get the dogs and then we got there and uh i called a friend i thought you know my friend zander lives close by and he's out of harm's way

and i said hey can i bring my van over there and my friend was driving my other truck and he said sure so i took the dogs and the van over there and i parked it i went in their house I went in their house. They were so sweet, Zander and Carrie. And then we looked at a Airbnb and, you know, took care of it.

But then the next day I got calls from, you know, my friend Kim Lowe and Chad, they had lost their house. And the whole thing is just surreal. And, you know, a lot of times you take things for granted.

You're just like, you know, is this really happening? Is this continuing to happen? Yeah. And, and you think of, well, what could have been done, what could have, you know, I always say I was saying

you before, I think that, you know, why don't they have just a sprinkler system throughout all the mountains and all the hillsides? And in case anything happens, these sprinklers go on. They spend a billion dollars through all the big, wherever there's life. I mean, the sprinkler system should be the rain, in essence, but we didn't get any. But rain's unpredictable. We're just not getting it right now. We're not getting it right now. But, yeah, it's tragic. So, you know, if you can, I always say a safe bet I've already donated to the Red Cross and some other, you know, independent people who are struggling and, you know, donated there. But the Red Cross is always a good bet.

If you're worried about, hey, who's getting the money in this and that? The Red Cross is always a solid, solid donation. Yeah, I was just in just like a feeling like I don't know what to do, like over the weekend. And there's, I looked up like the volunteer collective. I was like, what, where can I just sort of show up and volunteer? And I ended up at the YMCA in Korea Town. Good. Just, uh, just really just like, because there's so many donations and it's all just sort

of like disorganized. So like, I just went somewhere and they're like, all right, here, we're making food boxes here. So I would like label food boxes. Then I sort of shifted over to, we need more boxes. So like I made boxes. It was just sort of like moving around to like. Just doing anything you could to help. It's just, there's a lot of organization that needs to happen.

And so if, if nothing else, that's what I did. I got, I got friends in the LA County Fire Department who are just been working nonstop. Yeah. So I haven't heard from them in well over a week. Yeah. But, um, man. Yeah. It's hard to, it's hard to know what to do.

But I mean, I evacuated the same day you did because the fire was really close. And it was just like, yeah, we're not waiting around. And the calmness is real. It's, it's crazy too because I was driving by and I saw some firefighters and I just stopped buying. I said, I know people are probably asking you this, but do you need anything? Can I, can I help you? And thank you for saving my house and thank you for, you know, I think that goes overlooked a lot. It's just like, again, you take it for granted. You're like, okay, the firefighters are here to help. And it's like these guys should be making big money. They should be making,

they're risking their lives. They should be making more than the politicians to do a job like that. And it's just, you know, I feel just blessed, grateful that I'm here. My house is here. My dog are safe you're here um it's a tragedy and and you know a lot of people are have been texting me and from all over the country my friends and are you okay what's going on with the fires and you know so i just made an instagram saying hey i'm fine because it was just overwhelming and but it was it was really nice to see but you know people across the world can easily donate five bucks to the yeah red cross and every dollar counts because there are a lot of families that you know look at the palisades and the um i think people think

oh, these are the very well-off, very fortunate people, but there are so many people in Altadena and all these other places that have nothing, that never had a lot, and they're stripped from that. So I just think if you could donate, it's humanity. It's like, you know, help your fellow man and do anything you can to make it easier for people, I guess. I don't know. It's tough.

Yeah, LA's a big place. And it takes a lot of people to make it run and everyone seems to be helping out. And it's terrible what has happened to so many of us. And for the people out of town, it's a rough way to learn LA geography. And the first thing I thought, because I'm up in the hills, I was like, I got us on my house. Yeah. But the reality is there's tragedy everywhere and you never know. You can move to the Midwest and there's a tornado that could run through everything.

There's the East Coast, you know, you have hurricanes. You have, you know, the potential for an earthquake out here. You have potential for fires. You have no matter where you go, it's you can't live your life in fear. And so something like this happens very seldom. You know, I mean, there's catastrophes, catastrophic events throughout the world every day. So, you know, this is another one of them. But I guess the big question is how do you make it better?

How do you prevent or make, make. the situation better than it was. You know, you got to change something. You know, people can blame Karen Bass and, you know, I'm not saying she's doing a great job or anything, but I will say that the infrastructure has been kind of broken for 60 years and they have got to pay attention to what's really important. Yeah, there was one, just because near my parents lived, the Northern California fire from a couple of god like six years ago that was like a defunct like an old old old power line

yeah from uh pg and e the electrical company and that started it yeah isn't it amazing with the little things that can start and and by the way yeah this could have happened with any fire in this situation it's a perfect storm it's like low humidity right dry air gust of winds these very you know powerful winds a spark a fire the embers they catch catch on trees then they you know so anybody you hear about these arsonists and you hear about the stuff and it gets you kind of like worried like you know this could happen you know people like keeping warm and build a fire and it goes out of hand and you know anyway look uh if you could donate donate um if you could help help and um You know, God bless the firefighters and the, what did they become first responders and all that because what a job they had.

And watching these planes and helicopters scoop up water from the reservoir and then go in the mountains and dump. And they were like pinpoint accuracy and risking their lives and these flames that are about, you know, they're just right there. It was pretty astonishing. We still have a podcast today. And thanks for joining us, even though we're two days later because of all the five. and you know and i hope jason my editor you're feeling better you know it's a lot but lucy lawless is freaking here yeah you know to make you smile and forget about things for a while um i love this woman she is her new documentary which we'll talk about is uh is honestly fantastic i i you know

i i tell you when i people say oh you have to watch this movie because a guest is coming on I'm like, shit. And most of the time, they're not that great. And I'm like, ah, I got to talk about this. I watch the trailer and I go, I have to watch this now. And then I watched it and I go, this was an amazing documentary. So wait until she talks about it, but you have to check it out. She's been a ton of stuff and we're friends now.

It was a little bit in the beginning. I was a little, you're a little worried. You're like, I don't know if they're- Yeah, because I don't handle conflict well. And so I wasn't sure like what's happening. But it was like a little tense, but you guys were like on the same page of where you were headed. Yeah. nice and now we text and she's like i want to come to your horror movie nights and

nice uh lucy you're amazing and i hope you're safe and doing all right i'm sure you have friends out here that are going through shit um but um anyway so look uh if you want to follow our podcast at inside of you podcast on instagram and facebook at inside of you pod on twitter we could use your help also patreon.com slash inside of you if you want to join and support the show we need you And my Instagram is at the Michael Rosenbaum. It's got all that stuff on there just for cons and all that. But more importantly right now, today, I just want everybody to reach out and see if you could help those in need with the LA fires. But anyway, Ryan, I'm glad you're safe.

Thank you. Yes. Me too. And thank you. Let's just do it. Let's get inside of the amazing. Lucy Lollas. It's my point of you.

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Listen, I'm not going to bullshit you because a lot of times I have to watch. Make sure you don't. Okay, let's just out of truth. Let's not do any bullshit. I'm not going to bullshit. I want you to also critique, you know.

Let's try. You really want to hear it straight. Fuck yeah. I think you do want to hear it. Yeah, I'm interested. Look, this movie never look away. I got the trailer yesterday, okay? And I go, and then there was a movie link.

And I go, shit, I got to watch your fucking movie now. And, you know, I'll just watch the trailer and I'll get an idea. And, you know, I swear to God, I got chills from the trailer. There is a moment in the trailer. trailer i swear to god my hair stood up it's about two thirds of the way through yes yeah me too because i was like yeah and then oh it happened oh when you find out what what happened and then i go you know what jo who's out there i'm gonna watch this tonight i'm intrigued enough that i want to see this amazing cool and i got to tell you i was emotional i was it was it was a roller coaster it was

kind of like who I think she was, Margaret, Margaret Moth, who you directed this documentary, never look away. And she was, it was sort of like, there were so many great things about this. I mean, were there models or was it animation at times? No, no, no. It's all, it's all, it's like Dracula. We don't want to use very lo-fi, real in camera. Yeah, practical stuff. So it's a large-scale diorama. Holy shit. Like, I've never seen anything like it. Like when you're... You're just not old enough, bro. I'm 50s.

I'm 52. Okay. Well, I'm 56. And when I was a kid, that was our CGI. It was diorama. Yeah, I know. Okay. It was all practicals.

And I love that. But this moved me. This woman, first of all, I mean, everybody has to see this. And when I say that, I usually say, oh, go see this movie, you know, this actor or this, direct go see it it's in you know and i'll have enthusiasm but with this i really want people to see this because i think it's profound it's beautiful it's about friendship it's about um someone who just pushed it to the edge and like i've never seen anyone this is like the strongest woman i've ever seen and what she went through where most people you know would have

given up, I would have said, especially with her beauty and her, you know, notoriety and like that, you know, she's sort of like a gypsy. The sexual charisma. Yeah. So anyway, this, it was so emotional and so well directed. Oh, thank you. That I was, I was enamored by like what you did. So you, I'm hoping you're directing more.

Yeah, well, that's sure the plan. I've got to hustle like a son of a gun, you know, now to make the next thing. well um yeah i've got something and uh yeah can i be in it no no okay uh i'll just i'm gonna say the synopsis would that be help or what you want to just why don't you say what it is the movie no i want to hear your synopsis well this is the synopsis uh CNN camera woman margaret moth fearlessly captures footage of war zones after receiving catastrophic injuries in the crosshairs of battle she returns to work with more courage than ever an intimate portrait of a trailblazing female photojournalist,

features interviews with Moth's family and friends, including CNN's anchor and Sundance Film Festival premiere. Just like... Yeah. Yeah, she worked with Christian Armampore. It worked with a lot of the greats of that era. And so we were lucky enough to have access to them through Joe, her best friend,

who was also a cameraman there. And all down to her lovers. And I thought that they would be dead. because everybody said, ah, he was a heroin addict, and I mean, they were all heroin addict. The other guy was like a drunk and got in the drugs. And I found them. I found them. I couldn't believe that.

Did you find them through the family, through her family? No. Well, Jeff, I was given his number. The other one, Yashinka, I found. Jeff's the long hair. Jeff's the long hair guy. He was 17 when she took up with him. She was 30, actually 31.

And he was a junior in high school and left his senior year just to be with this. woman he was enamored by. Well, yeah, he was already dealing drugs. He was like three or four years into his alcoholism. His father was, all this stuff. So she didn't get him started. She might have actually toned down his usage of substances, actually. But still, you do kind of with today's, from today's point of view, go, oh, Margaret, no, come

on, leave the kid alone. Yeah, that's what I was like, if that happened the day, I mean, you know, it would be frowned upon. Yeah. I mean, maybe even then. I mean, it was a different time, though. Yes, well, his mother was not crazy about her, that's for sure, but his mother was part of his problem. So, according to him.

Right. Anywho, yeah, so I found the other lover, Yushinka, because I knew that he had been part of a film crew, one of whom was kidnapped by, I won't say which group in the Middle East. because if I've got it wrong, then it's, you know, it's no good. And I looked up that event and I found him and I sent the picture of him to Joe. And I said, is this the guy? He went, yeah, oh my God, that's him. He's still alive. So, and I found him.

And we pull up to his house in Paris or outside of Paris and it's got this massive like a prison gate, right? It all corrugated sort of steel. And we push the buzzer and the gate rolls back. Right. And then you see in front of us, there's this four-story kind of mansion, like 18th century mansion, like little Lord Fauntleroy lives there. And there's Yashinka, who's a literally, he's a gypsy and kind of a gypsy king, like he's wearing a brocade jacket and immaculate white jeans and a fluted collar and like the cuffs all designed just so, right? And he's flanked by two enormous goats. It's like Mr. Frickin' Tumnus, right?

It's like something narnier about this guy. And I just couldn't believe we found him. Such an unusual guy. Just incredible characters. That's what I was thinking. Who approached you about this? Joe Duran was Margaret's best friend. He's also in the film.

And he said, do you want to make a film about my best friend? He also is the executor of her estate, which amounted to a suitcase full of memories and her house in Istanbul. So that was great because he gave me entree to... getting Christiana Amunpoor on screen, which was a real get, as you can imagine, and the other players. But even the head of, like, CNN at the time, that guy. Yeah, Tom Johnson. You got him, like him to speak about these things.

Well, they, yeah, they loved their people back then, you know. It was a completely different era. But I think, to be honest, they were a bit shocked about the movie that I made because even though the war stuff was all totally, you know, was tickety-boo. I don't think they were thrilled about the sex life and the drugs and punk music. But she was a rock star in her own, right, by anybody, anyone who knew her. Yeah, but they didn't know, you know, she kept everybody siloed off. So she was different things to different people.

I mean, and it was just, you know, like the darkness that always, you know, what really hit me is when, and you guys just have to see this. She gets her, Margaret gets her face pretty much blown off. and her jaw is detached. She goes through 25 surgeries over the years, but she returns hardly being able to speak and says, I want to get behind the camera again, and I want to go back to these war zones, and I want to do that, and this is what I love.

And what I got from that was she was always playing with death. She was always, I just got chills again because I'm thinking about her life and how hard it must have been because she had an abusive mother, incredibly abusive. The father, they don't go in, you don't go too much into that. But he was abusive, but the mother seemed like the real. That surprised me, actually.

I thought for sure the father was a problem because Margaret hated her dad. Right. But all the others were like, no, mom was the monster. Like when dad wasn't drunk, he was okay. Now I think they soft peddled it. And I wish I had to push them harder because he did beat up them. mother but they didn't say that they were really dogging on the mother so and then the mother in turn dogged on on margaret's boyfriends for whatever reason so oh yeah she would criticize um

the french guy the french guy yeshinka the um yeah the gypsy boyfriend yeah and accuse them all of all sorts of terrible stuff you're a heroin act you don't want to be here right well the fact he was a heroin act was no surprise to margaret i mean she was well that was well part of their relationship. But yeah, there was just lots of enmity being sort of fire hosed around that hospital. But she says something, there's something that was profound to me where one of the boyfriend says, said something like, you know, how was your childhood? And she goes, you know what? I don't really remember it. And that was it. Right. And he was so young and dumb. He accepted that. And I think that's why she was with younger men because they would not expect her to meet them

halfway. You know, an older man would say, no, come on, be frank with me. These kids would just accept her as, wow, you're so mysterious. What a high priestess you are. You know, let's do some acid. And whereas a man might go, tell me, tell me what's really going on. Don't bullshit me. These kids never did. And I think that was a, like, I don't think, I don't think she would like me personally because I wouldn't accept that from any of my friends it's like I

and also she and her whole family had no insight into self that's why the family was quite difficult and I struggled to understand what I was seeing the fact they were raised with no nurturance

no completely emotionally neglectful childhood meant that I think they never developed the capacity for self-insight. Or self-love. Definitely not self-love. Yes, I understand those things, yes. Right. Well, perhaps you understand better than me,

but they never, like zero spirituality and zero inclination to question the past. They only go forward. And I think that became Margaret's superpower. Yeah, I felt like, You have this way of, when you're telling the story of like the darkness always creeping up in like some images, you see her drawings. Horrible. Her drawings were like, it told you what her childhood was like in a nutshell.

I mean, I was like, and what you do, it's so subtle. You didn't hit it over the head with a hammer. But like in some images, you could see her drawing kind of creeping up that blackness that she was, you know, the blackness was always, the darkness. It was always there. You should see them in real life, man. You can feel it. They've got energy, these pictures. You know, they're really disturbing.

And actually, I quizzed her without telling the siblings that I had found, had these pictures. I asked them, do you have a house with a clock? No, didn't have a clock? Do you have stairs? No, never stairs because dad built the house out of concrete. Like, they didn't have stairs. So these are from her sort of subconscious or her memory. But you want to jump to sexual abuse, and I could never find anybody.

who could corroborate that, nor did Margaret say it. So I think it's safe to assume it was physically abusive, but mostly emotionally neglectful. And that's evidently the hardest of abuse to heal from. Yeah, but you never know. You never know. Some people, you know, won't talk about certain things. It's true. They just won't talk about it.

So it's more, she's more like of an enigma. You can think about what you will of her and the things she did, but you have to appreciate. the bravery and it was a woman who and it also I remember there was something in the in the dock that they said if you were boring she was done with you if you were boring if you don't want to go skydiving every day if you don't want to you know do whatever go high speed roller skating at night yes if you and I was like going yeah she wouldn't have dated me that's the first thing I thought was like I'm I'm really boring compared to that I mean I'll go bowling or go shopping to home home goods, but I'm not going, I'm not going skydiving.

Or to a punk club. I mean, maybe back in the day. Not even amazing. But I love this. I think you guys have to see. It's called Never Look Away. And it's from the same company that produced free solo. Right.

Right. Which was awesome. So where can people watch this? You can see it anywhere on any digital platform. So Apple, Amazon, YouTube. It's in limited cinema. but it's wherever you stream your movies, you can see it. Yeah, I think it's just awesome.

I'm so glad I watched it because a lot of times I wouldn't because it's just like, you know, I just went through the surgery. You ever had surgery? No. Never had a surgery. Oh, no, but I broke my pelvis. Then you'd break it on Jay Leno and the... Yeah, yeah, back in the day.

Well, I was just on a percassette for a number of days, so yeah. Before the accident? What do you mean? I wasn't on perkset before the accident. Do you think I know this is? Coming up. No, that's what the way you said it, you're like, I was on Percocet. No, no, no.

And now I fell off a horse. No, no. Other way around. Other way around. Yeah, okay. But, I mean, I was in the hospital on this kind of horrible drug. Well, God bless it. It was fab.

What's the one? Maybe it was, wouldn't it be morphine that you feed yourself? Yeah, it goes. Damn. Yeah. Oh, I know. Well, I just went off. I told you.

I went off the Norco because I had the neck surgery and I didn't taper down, folks. If you're trying to wean yourself off drugs, if you had surgery or if you're just a drug addict if you don't take it easy and slow you are going to feel like you're going to die

for a good four days or longer it was horrible speaking of Jeff who played not played who was Margaret's young lover who's kind of the emotional backbone of the story

died at Christmas last Christmas are you died he was young he was like probably 60 he died at the same age was Margaret. It was 59. And it was as if, when I first met him, he was so raw and so, like, he'd never examined

his relationship and his umbrage and his rage and his, how his loss, his grief about his relationship, Margaret getting shot. He really blamed her for that. Yeah. He'd never examined it in 30 years. So by the time we interviewed him the last time, three times we interviewed him, he was kind have come full circle and it was all sort of whole again and then he evaporated and died you know what it's crazy because at the end you see that the emotions coming out of him yeah and he's soft yeah

for the first time yeah because you could see the pain the love but obviously the pain that she caused him he they caused each other and then that's tragic it's tragic inside of you is brought to you by quince i love quince ryan i've told you this before I got this awesome $60 cashmere sweater. I wear it religiously. You can get all sorts of amazing, amazing clothing for such reasonable prices. Look, cooler temps are rolling in. And as always, Quince is where I'm turning for fall staples that actually last.

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And one sister, lots of fighting, lots of laughs, lots of, but very good solid parents, really. Like they told you they loved you. Oh, totally. Yeah, lots of cuddles and also respected our individuality because we're all different. And they respected and loved all of us as much as they could and gave us what they could. So, and people say, do you relate to Margaret? And I'm like, I really can't. I really can't because that alone marks.

us as polar opposites. So I'd never met anybody with her this constellation of attributes as described by other people. I couldn't put it together until I met the family. And they're all like that. And her nephews and nieces came to the movie in New Zealand and wept. And they came out, I didn't even know them. And they came on. They said, thank you so much. You've explained our own father to us. This dearth, this lovelessness that runs through the generations, starting abandonment emotional abandonment i don't think i talk about it sometimes but i don't think people understand that in a child's developmental years that if they're not given the unconditional love and the i'm proud of you and the patience and the things it affects them physiologically psychologically

and you know um how do you heal yourself how do you feel that well right well that's i mean i mean in a lot of ways i feel like that's what i'm my journey's been in a lot of ways just to, you know, they were kind of old school and it just, there's a lot to that. But, you know, it was getting into therapy. It was actually going, stop thinking, I don't need to talk to anybody. I don't need anything. I don't need anybody. Right. And yet you, oh, you overcame that somehow. Well, I'm still overcoming. I don't think, I don't think you lose it. I think you learn how to live with it. You understand what is fiction and What's not, like, you know, for many years, if you hear, like, let's say, you're not smart,

you're dumb, you're, this. Oh, you had that? You had that? I'm not saying me. I don't want to talk about that. No, not. Okay, I've had friends who were told that sort of thing, yeah. But, you know, no matter what anybody says, there's still a little party of that inner child

that kind of feels that way, that feels unloved or feels ugly or feels stupid. Interesting. Even when you work on yourself, even when you know it, it's not true. true, when you can see your success, when you can see the way you treat people. There's all these things. Can I ask you something? Yeah. You can cut this out if you don't want it.

But do you think if the negative voice is your mother's, it sticks deeper in you than if the negative voice is your father's? No. No. I don't. I don't. I think it just, someone else might be sitting here thinking. yes, you know, agree with you. I think it's just fair.

It just depends on the situation. You have to at some point stop blaming, become an adult. Yeah. And do good things. Be kind. Do what makes you happy. I think a lot with me is I always was, I'll be on the show. I'll do this movie.

This will get attention. This people will like me. My parents will be like, oh, look at this. It doesn't get any of that. Right. The adoration. It just doesn't... It's feeding a racehorse delicacies.

Yeah. If you don't see it, if you don't believe it, if you aren't doing it for you, you're fucked. Yeah, you're chasing. You're chasing a high that just will... It's not sustainable. It'll never nourish you. And you had that. So that's a very, that's an amazing thing.

Yeah. You know, and you shouldn't, not that you feel bad for that, but you shouldn't. You should embrace that and go, and that's why... I'm certainly grateful for it. Grateful. And the light that Margaret had, it was hard for you to imagine because of the upbringing you had. Yeah, really hard. But I think very hard for almost anybody to imagine except maybe someone like you.

And when she went to war, maybe, I mean, how could you possibly relate to that unless you had a dearth of love? So I think when she went to war, in a way that the vibration of water, if I can use that expression, mirrored her vibration inside. It felt almost like a home. This is where I belong. She would not leave Sarajevo. And Christian Amunpour and all those producers begged her to go. You're done.

You've been here two tours. You must leave. Two weeks. They say, stay two weeks. Get out. She'd already been there four weeks and she's like, or maybe six weeks. I'm remembering wrong now.

But Christian left, as she should. And I've got Margaret's own notes. were like something just, I just wrote back to Steve, the line producer said, you know, no, I'm going to stay. I want to stay. And it was the next day blew her jaw off. And she wasn't being reckless. She was sitting in the back of the van with the crew when if her jaw was blown off.

Oh, and by the way, did I tell you? You know how she made the joke? I want to go back to Sarajevo to find my teeth. Did you know I found her teeth? In the truck? In the back of the. the driver's head. Are you fucking kidding me?

In the back of the freaking driver's head. Because I interviewed him. They stuck in his head? Yeah, they were, well, they were in shards. So he said for like six or seven years afterwards, little spikes of Margaret's teeth are coming out of his head when he's shampooing in the shower and plink on the tiles. Not big, tiny bits. You like horror movies?

I know your husband does. Well, yeah. No, I don't like them very much, actually. if I'm honest. What? But I liked Evil Dead Rise because that was freaking hilarious. I really enjoyed it. I get too scared.

I don't want to, you know, I used to love them as a child. But Robert, right? Rob, yeah. Rob, sorry. Well, I'd say Rob, yeah. But Evil Dead, the original, Evil Dead 2, and the list of movies. I'm just like, and you met on set? No, I met when Zina was going to series.

So I'd just been playing roles on Hercules, the Legend. journeys at the time and then it was going to spin off and I met him. He came down to meet who was going to be the star and he thought I was crazy because I was going through a really difficult divorce at the time. So you were just good bananas? Well, I was just stressed to the max. And he was a, there was a connection right away? Not immediately, but pretty quick, yeah.

How long have you been married? 28 years. 28 years. But he produces a lot of these horror movies. And doesn't he say, you want to watch us? Or he doesn't care whether you watch him or not? No, he doesn't care about it. I mean, we barely ever look at each other's work.

Is that true? Yeah. Well, I'll go to the premiere or he'll watch. We do watch my TV show together because it's fun and it's light and it's charming. But recently he asked to read a script that I'd written. And I guess because he could feel that I was really happy with it. You don't want to see anything in its infancy. It's like we're not, we don't have time for that, you know.

We're not critiquing one and other stuff, but he was, I was shocked. I was like, what? You want to read my script? Because I never asked for his approval on anything. And vice versa. We talk about dogs and our kids. And he likes the script? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. He's got new respect for me. Well, he's a producer. He could probably make it happen, right? No, he only does his thing. He won't. I won't do a horror. He won't.

He won't. No, would he make? make it happen? Would he... What do he doesn't... How do you make it happen? Oh, he might make a connection, but no, not really. It wouldn't occur to me to even ask him. What? Twenty-eight years of marriage, I would say, hey, make this fucking happen.

No, I got used to living without him long ago. I don't want to live without you. No, we're great, we're great friends. Here's the thing we worked together. I just did whatever I was told as an actor. Now, I want to do what I want to do, and there can be only one. This is Highlander, you know, our jobs are like Highlander. You can't have two, two of us in the same production.

I mean, look at all the stuff you've done. I mean, especially, you know, coming from Zina, Warrior Princess, and like, did you think that you were going to, that was going to be it? Like, this is probably what I'm going to be known as and do. And did you ever have those fears? No, not fears. I'm grateful for everything that's given me. Did you ever get frustrated?

Did you ever feel like, I don't want to do this fucking anymore? Yeah, a couple of times. But what can you do? You've got a contract. You have to get a new attitude. You're stuck. You can't be a bitch to everybody. And in New Zealand, they won't let you.

Can't you just, like, say, I'm going to just eat a lot, and I'm not going to look good in my outfit? I did that, like, in the first season, because I was going through a divorce. You know what? When I first met Rob, okay, we come over here to you. We're at Universal Studios doing some big sort of welcome to Hollywood kind of thing. He sends me like eight kilos of chest. cheese to my freaking hotel room. Like, welcome to Hollywood.

And then he tells me I need to lose 10 pounds. Oh, my God. It's like, what's with all the cheese, dude? Yeah. But I can see. That was a very personal gift because he sure loves cheese. But look at this, Spartacus, Blood and Sand, Battlestar, Galactica, Parks and Rec, my life is murder.

I can keep going. Ash versus Evil Dead. Salem, Samler, Adam Sandler's bedtime store is the L-word, Curbier enthusiasm. I'm going to stop? Yeah, you can start well, yeah. I mean, that's a lot of stuff, and it's so different. It's like, do you look back and go, wow, I'm really proud of what I've accomplished and what I've done? And were you always pushing yourself to go further and further?

No, I'm, I wasn't pushing myself. I've just sort of go, oh, that looks like the next most interesting thing. I'll do that. I haven't been very concerted about my career, and I was raising kids, and that probably had first quarter. on my brain. But now, now when I do things, I'm in there before the money and I am chasing the money. When you are there before the money and you chase it and get it made, that belongs to you. I was just the public face of other people's hard work on all my acting things. It wasn't mine. So I don't have the same level of pride. I'm really, really grateful. And I am proud of

them, but it's not the same kind as when you've generated something yourself. What are you most proud of, this documentary? I am really proud. It was really hard. How many years? Only two and a half. It was pretty short. Plus, I did a TV show and there was COVID in the middle of it.

So, um, but two and a half years is pretty quick, I think, to get something. It's two and a half years from the first email to Sundarth. That's, yeah, and did Sundarth. Oh my God. I never saw this coming. Amazing. That's amazing. I couldn't get anything in the sentence.

Yet. That's fine. And that's what I was talking about earlier. It's like you got to do what you love. And it used to be where it's like the, that used to be. It's now. It's my agents will go, this is what they're looking for. They want this.

They want this. And I go, I don't want to just do make that to. Yeah, you can't. You're right. But you're right. Unless you have to. So I'm grateful that I don't have to do that. And I could, you know, try to create my own things.

And I pitch them and sometimes, most of the time, they reject them. And, but I love it. Like, for the first time of my life, I'm not kidding, in the last three years, I write because I love it. And I don't look at the end result as whether it's a success or not. I look at the process and the enjoyment and how much better I can make something and hopefully sell it and get other people excited about it. And that's the great stuff, you know, and I never knew that.

It's the God gene. You know, I know somebody's written a book called The God Gene or something. I don't know what that is, but what I call the God gene is this, that spark of creativity that when you make something an idea, something out of nothing that's come through you, you know, and sometimes you don't even know how you're channeled this great idea, right? You don't feel like you own it. It's happening through you kind of thing. that's the magic and that's what you have to follow.

So, yeah, and you feel super, super proud and kind of honored to being part of something. And I'm losing more of my ego as the years go on, meaning let people that are brighter than you and even more talented take over certain things. Bring it. Hey, I pitched it. Great. Let's make it. Can help me get made? Yeah.

You're the creator, but you're going to have to step aside. Great. I want to see this fucking thing. I was my idea. Right. I don't care anymore. I just want to make cool things. And it takes a village.

It takes a village. And that's, it used to be where I was like, no, no, I'm doing this. And I want to, I want to direct this or I want to be the, it's like, no, just that's not important. What's important is the work and enjoying it and working with people you love, hopefully, because I'm sure. Have you worked with people that you don't love? Oh, yes. Who's the worst? You buy a pair of socks, that's two socks.

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and Simon Schuster's putting it out. It's going to be in tons of bookstores isn't available on Amazon. I'm so proud of it. I worked with somebody that was stuffed down my craw. I had to work with who. What does that mean? Stuffed down your craw? I said, I can't work with this person. I'm telling you, something's wrong with this person. I got told I didn't know what I was talking about. And it turned out that they were watching porn the whole time. And no wonder, no wonder. No wonder.

It all made sense. And I was like, yes, they're a porn addict. That's why I'm not getting any value. The worst, worst colleague ever, right? So, like, by all means, be a porn addict, but not on my time. So dirty, like inappropriate. I don't know. I didn't see it.

But we're inappropriate with you on set, perhaps. No, this is not. This is a different situation. But, you know, I also make other things. But, yeah, when people aren't good collaborators, and aren't open and don't take the best idea in the room, which is part of that egosiness. Or condescending.

Yeah, boo. Anyway, those experience have tempered me and made me like, no one will ever fuck with me that way again because I back myself and I won't tolerate people who tell me that I'm just a little girl. Maybe I didn't take myself seriously enough before, you know? Yeah. Yeah, but now I do. That's great.

And a lot of people don't have the courage to stand up. And I think now more and more it's changing, which is great. But were there times where you just said, stop it, don't talk to me like that? This is how, have you ever had one of those moments? I've heard so. One time back on Zina where we had some actor from another country came to New Zealand and was just holding the whole crew up. And you don't have time for that, especially on a show like that

where we're all hustling together. And I was only the head of the acting department. And we're a family and we all move together, you know. And this guy didn't understand the thought that I would indulge his caprice. And I went down and I ripped open the door. And I said, get on that set and say your lines. Wow. And I don't think he understood that I'm not that kind of a star.

And I was married to producer, for God's sake. So I was raised in the business as kind of on the producer's side for better or for worse, whether that helped me or not. But anyway, that's a fact. Tell me about your time on Saturday Live. I just have to ask you. Oh, that was amazing. It's amazing.

I mean, when you're Stevie Nicks in Fahita Roundup, there you go again saying you want burritos Yeah you know I had Keep them down Yeah I had seen Stevie Nix on something She had really black eyes for whatever reason And I asked them for these Can I have contacts like that

And they got me fitted real quick And then bung these things in to do the skit And I couldn't see anybody And I was really alone in my head It's black as anything Because I've got these stupid contacts in right And I did not think the skit was funny I didn't understand the cultural references.

So maybe that was the magic ingredient is that I didn't think it was funny, you know? I love that scene. Yeah. It's so funny. It's like, because you can imagine, okay, this is what she's doing now. She's a huge rock star and she's like this gypsy and like cool and mysterious. And now she's got this fajita joint. And this is what she's doing to attract people to come to it.

And this is what she's lost her mind, man. She's fucking lost her mind. That's a real Hollywood thing, right? Yeah. And it's like, this is so sad, but so terrific. Oh, my God. And you've seen it, Ryan? You have to watch it.

It is so, and you commit, it's not, you're so fearless. And that's what I love about you because I think you are fearless. And you just embodied her. Like, I believe that was Stevie fucking Nix. Oh, really? Yes. As a little kid, I used to like figure out her, huh? harmonies and things, you know.

Oh, yeah, the singing, you're singing. It was like, oh, my, I was singing out loud. I was like, wow, you can fucking sing. I mean, I knew you did a musical theater. They, no, but they ask you when you go to SNL. Can you do any voices? Can you, you know, do you do any impressions? So they'll mind whatever you've got to bring, and then they'll write around that.

That's how that happens. Was it nerve-wracking? Well, yeah, because I didn't think it was funny. And I said to Lorne, dude, you know, it's not funny. Please cut it. don't do you know no no it's really funny well he said no no I think it's a sleeper hit no it's gonna be a sleeper hit I sound like I went to Wilson instead of yeah it's not yeah you did I'm like no it's like it's really great what you're doing like you really embodied

her it's like I thought I was at like do you know him no that's really good do you know him no no you like him I don't know anybody like better Luke or Owen I don't know I don't have a choice I like Owen as an actor I don't really know Luke's work too well Spartacus was the first time you did nude scenes? Yes, I think so. I've lacked it all out. Did they ask you beforehand, like, hey, there's going to be some nude scenes? Oh, we knew.

Yeah, I knew. You knew. Were you not looking forward to it? Certainly not. No, I don't look forward to it. I mean, I haven't done it. Ever. I've been somewhat, well, now that your next fix, you're going to have all kinds of fun.

Oh, yeah. Oh, baby. Are you ready? But I haven't been exposed like that, but, you know, it's different. It's like, and it is, like, people try to say, what, is it fun? Is it cool? Is it, like, make out?

scenes and all that. It's like, it's like work. It becomes like, it's, there's 50 people around you. It's really stressful. Yeah. I mean, there's been some people I enjoyed kissing, like it wasn't a bad day at work. I'm not going to lie. It's not all shit. Have you done nude scenes? Not nude. It's horrible. You see, I can't relate because I haven't done that. Yeah, it's pretty yucky. But, um, but we would have all these extras, right? And they would get people from, uh, what turns out to be the porn capital of New Zealand. So we'd hire all these people who habitually do such things and get them to choreograph their own scenes. So that's an orgy scene, right? And we would have these young women come in

and we would dress them up as, you know, in fabulous costumes. Like you've got a long peacock tail and it's made with real peacock feathers, et cetera, or a tiger or something or other. They looked amazing. But when you have long dresses and things, you're always stepping on one of somebody else's tail, right? So I remember somebody stepped on the tiger's tail and she turned around like and we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, no problem. We just stitch it back up.

We're going, it's a film set. These things happen. There's no, but she was going to kill. And I thought, that's an interesting phenomenon. Why did she react like that? And I realized that if you're in the sex trade and somebody rips off your, you know, real hair ponytail.

How about drag? If you... Ponytail, yeah, you miss all that. That costs them a lot of money. Yeah, she was going to kill for that. Yeah. And I thought, yeah, well, what do they have to do to earn the money for, you know, their long hair extensions or something?

It was just interesting. It's like, this is my world, baby. Don't fuck it. We had to teach them. It's okay. There are no, there's no enemies here. No one's going to hurt you. No one's going to blame you.

We just fix things. The LGBT community loves you. And you love them. I do. Where did that all start, really? Started with Zena and The Village Voice, which first grabbed on to the lesbionic themes, which Renee and I did not see in the characters. But the writers totally knew what they were doing because Liz Friedman's a gay woman.

She writes a lot of great TV shows. And Rob, they knew, they knew what they were doing because they're trying to make a show. that sits on where's the brink of society right now what what's the the the boundary of society we're going to bounce on that so in sparticus it was sort of nudity and and male on male relationships and um you know all those power dynamics for zeno was yeah the gay thing was still extremely new and also like um uh interracial relationships even into species because there was a little bit of, you know, centaur human hookups. That's amazing.

Yeah. You love going to cons, conventions? I go to very few because you just get sick at them. Are you, is it like a shit show for you? Are there tons of people in line waiting for you? Yes, they're very good to me. They are. So you go there and you don't have like, oh, I wish somebody would come back.

No, no, no. Never have that had that. No, and you stay an hour and a half of me. That's happened before where it's like, wow, I thought this would be busier. Should we get another coffee? And you always get these spies from the other, you know, coming and like, Livvrigna always pads over and goes, he's counting how many people you've got. Let's see here.

You have a big line. But you like the cons, but it's a lot for you. Yes, I don't really do them very much anymore. No. And you probably won't continue doing a lot of them. So if you go, then it's like go, fans should go because they might not see you again. That, I guess so. I guess that is the case.

When's your next one? You don't even have one scheduled. No, there is only one that I do every year, and that is in Los Angeles in January. So I do actually know that. Don't they have a big New Zealand one? It's called ArmageddonCon or something. Yes, I've never been at that. Because I always feel like, why do New Zealand?

New Zealanders don't want to see me. I've never been to New Zealand. Well, hello. I've been Australia four times. Is New Zealand better? Of course. Well, totally different. What's the difference between a gnar and a gnar?

No. What is the New Zealand no and an Australian know? It just depends where you're, like if you're in Queensland, I suppose you might say no. That's how it would be. Like, Margaret's sister would say no. Whereas Kiwis would go, no. No, it's much more softer and sits back in the mouth, a little bit more like a southern accent. So New Zealanders will always do a southern accent better than a North American,

and I know, the standard American accent. Can you do that again, the softer one? No. No. It's very good. It's perfect. Does it? Yeah.

I think it's a, I don't know if it's a quadrathong. I keep going in that one of Wilson, like, no, it's right. Yeah, there you go. Kind of like that. Australian Owen Wilson or New Zealand Owen Wilson I don't know Yeah Australia's got much more attack

You know it's much more staccato and Yeah you don't get upset I asked Who did I ask? Reist Darby That's what the first thing you're going to talk about That's what the first thing I said I said do is there a big rival

Boots in Australians in New Zealand New Zealand What did you say to that? He said yeah I think he said yes Yeah Yeah there is Yes but mostly coming from the little

guy, and it's the little brother who's more upset about being little. So New Zealanders feel it more than Australians who are like, what do you hate me? What do I do to you? Have you ever in your life, because you've done this for a while, you've been in this industry, and it can get to you. I mean, I know you had a good upbringing, but have you ever gone through depression? Have you ever gone through anxiety? Have you ever had to go to therapy? Oh, yes. Really? What's the worst or one of the worst moments in your life that you can remember where you're just like, I have to see someone, I'm not right. Well, I witnessed another family's tragedy once.

And because it wasn't my family, I thought I was okay. But actually, it was something I couldn't cope with. And three months later, I'm barely sleeping. It's all like white noise. I was living in Los Angeles. Rob was doing a TV show in, I guess, New Zealand. or film somewhere. And I had two little boys at school that I was supposed to drive to Tarzana and back.

You know, I was living in Studio City. And I could barely drive like I was falling asleep at the wheel. And I went, oh, my God, I've got to go see somebody. So I went to this internist, those kind of, they're not Sikh, but they, you know, wear the turbines and that stuff. And I think Bev Hills. Are you talking about psychics? No.

And they're not Sikhs. They're whatever that is, you know. Somebody, anyway, in turbanes. as proper doctors, but they also have other disciplines going on. Anyway, this guy was sticking pins in my toes really deep. And I was so, I was just sort of looking at the wall and crying, crying, but I couldn't feel the toes. I was completely cut off from my body.

And he was getting people to come and say, look, you know, we've got all these pins deep in her toes. and she doesn't feel anything. And he said to me, look, you've got PTSD. And, you know, perhaps you want to try some antidepressants. And you had no idea that... Well, I knew what the event was that was affecting me. I did know that, but I didn't know how to get out of it

because I was in this terrible maelstrom of an experience. Right. And could barely feed my kids. Like boiled eggs three days away, right? and not three days, I worked three times a day. Anyway, so I knew that drugs weren't for me. I thought that's not the answer.

So I went to see the shrink friend of a friend. And he did sort of a regression, some sort of breathing thing, like a pillow on your face, and you're hyperventilate, and then takes you back to that moment of the traumatic moment. Yeah. And in that moment,

I sort of found grace in the situation and a purpose. It's like the angel, came to me that the other people, the other family, it wasn't even a tragedy for them, hardly. They kind of didn't care, but I cared. And I, it broke all my rules, which is kind of what PTSD does, whatever you're experiencing has broken all the rules of everything you ever understood about, compassion, the world, safety, blah, blah, blah, got obliterated in that moment. So I found Grace it because it was like, it's, it's, it.

I say angel. I mean, I don't really literally mean it, but the angel came to me. It wasn't for them. So I could stop feeling angry at them for not giving a shit about this trip, horrible thing that happened.

The message was for me to wake me up. And give you a break for caring so much. Right, and immediately the healing began. It happens in an instant. I want to go to this person. He's dead, unfortunately. Graham, we'd have bring that up. Mm-hmm.

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we ask you if you can join Patreon patreon patreon.com slash inside of you and help the podcast it's it's a great way to build a community and friends and there's a lot of benefits there's different tiers there's one where I give you packages every couple of months a bunch of gifts and write a note, you get your name shatted out on the podcast, and much, much more. But most importantly, you'll be helping the podcast. So if you want to become a member of Patreon and support this podcast, that would be awesome. So just go to Patreon, P-A-T-R-E-O-N, Patreon.com slash inside of you. And I really appreciate you. Thanks. How much does having a child change someone? If you look at you before children,

having kids, and then having kids, what changed? What was the biggest? thing. Well, it probably stopped me getting into trouble. I won't say that it changed me. Maybe I was always going to be the person. I was already. Were you a troublemaker? A little bit, maybe. Might I've seen a little Margaret Moth that you're not telling me about? Were you a partier? Were you a partier? No, I don't know why he said. By no means, no. Oh, so you weren't a partier. I had a baby. I was 19. I was pregnant and married at 19. Bro. That's how I became lawless. That's my name. I married this guy with the name. So. They still can't believe. That kept me out of trouble, yeah, because I always had a little kid.

And then 10 years later, had a couple more. I mean, yeah, I can't imagine. Like two dogs are enough for me, I think. Remember it's like, you'd be a great father. I'm like, but also there's the fear, the fear of not being a great father. No, probably, did you never, I mean, I guess you were so young you didn't have time to think of fear. It was like, I'm pregnant at 19. You know what?

I will admit to you that in times where I felt freaked out, I defaulted to my mother's behavior, which was good and solid. There was times like when the baby's screaming and you just want to go, shut up, shake the baby. I know that my mother didn't, I just acted like my mother. So I can understand the fear.

And probably now, because you have been able to individuate from your parents. Individuate. That's a nice word. Right. I mean, usually that happens at. For, right? Yeah.

Starts to happen. You've retroactively done that. But yeah, you probably would, and it would probably be really healing because you could do the, do right by your kid. And in so doing parent yourself. Like create a good human being. You've got to reparent yourself, eh. That's what it is. The child who's abandoned has to reparent themselves.

And you do this in acting school. You learn that you're in a child. Sometimes you have an inner teenager as well. And if you're not listening to them, you can't reintegrate into a whole human being. So your inner child is trying to always tells the truth. The teenager always doesn't always tell the truth. They don't always get it right.

But they should be listened to too. So you can go, okay, guys, I hear you. Now I'm the grown up. This is what we're going to do. So you don't have these complaints. And then eventually they just become part of you. they don't um yeah you're not separate beings anymore how dare you for being so insightful it's acting school i mean but seriously but how dare you like you you just said i go

what changed you what and what you just said was so profound it's like you could i don't even know i already can't well i think it's profound to a lot of people who are listening maybe not all of them but to me it just hit me in a way where it's like hey you can change the course Totally. And this is part, yeah, as you said, it's our journey. Well, as actors, you do this because you can't access those parts of your human experience reliably for different roles if you haven't examined them. The unexamined life is not, A, worth living. And B, is not useful because it controls you rather than you utilizing it for your role as an actor. So I've got a book for you in my suitcase. I'm going to give you the book that the text that I learned,

it's really easy to write. I've got a book for you too. Okay. It's a fart book. It's right up there. I just published it. Is it there? Deal. I saw books with you. Right here. Yeah, bro. It's a talented farder. It's the kid whose only talent is a farting. I'll give it to your, how old are your kids? You know what? They're 36, 25 and. No, perfect. It's for adults too. I want it. It's a sound book. I love it. It's so fun. I want it. It's a talented far Pull my finger. I will. Do you want me to do it right now?

You're very, I'm, I'm, I really like this interview. Me too. It's just, I don't know, it's just listening to you. It's like you've lived and it's like you can tell that because the questions you asked in your documentary, the, the, I almost said performances from the real people that are fucking being interviewed. But it's like, you know how to tell a story. you know how to tell a story and it shows never look away um also would you do you think you'd ever return to any of these shows that you've been on like if they had you know they always have these fucking revivals of everything it's like we're doing a revival of saved by the bell

wait they did they did do that but would you do like a parks and wreck thing if they asked you to come back sure um probably not ash versus evil dead that that looked like it was probably difficult to shoot. Yeah, I don't know. Pretty funny. Worse for the others than me. I mean, my character was like, I'm not even sure what she was doing that. Bruce and I were always laughing about Ruby.

Like, what the fuck is this character for? That, oh, I feel like, you know, I think Rob wrote that to keep me in the country. Probably, right? She has no role in this film whatsoever. But I love hanging out with Bruce and Dana. Tell me about Bruce, because he's a friend of my friend of my. I know you're very close with him. I love him.

He's been on the podcast, but what do you think of when you think of Bruce Campbell? He's just so damn funny. Lucy, how are you today? Genuinely. And kind and decent. And he's married to a great woman.

And he's interested in nutty things like, you know, he's growing. He's got lavender farm. And I don't know. He's just a special guy. You know how special he is? I was doing a pilot. and he was in the pilot

and the producers were like we love you and this is we saw a dailies and you're so funny and you know that's deaf and then they called the producers afterwards and they saw a cut and they were like yeah we think his character is just too chauvinistic to this

so we we will pick it up for five episodes if you let him go I mean they didn't say it's so probably assholeish but maybe they did but um so the producers called me crying it was uh will feral's company and the producer was crying owen and he's like i don't even know where this came from we all love you i don't know and he says but we have to let you go and i just go okay um well let's not make this weird i love you guys you're awesome i'd work with you again in a second um thanks and i remember

I told Bruce, you know, probably the next day or something, I said, hey, you know, he's like, good. Now come over here and let's get high and ride bikes. And we got high and rode bikes for hours. And he took me to these places and we had lunch and it was cathartic. It was like him saying, yep, move on, champ, here we go. Yeah, and get into the real world. Yeah. Instead of being in your head about it.

Yeah. Yeah, it was just a beautiful thing. Yeah. All right, this is called shit talking with Lucy Lawless. These are questions from my patrons who support the podcast. All right, we're going to do this and then we're done. Are you excited about that? Because I know you have a cold.

Yeah. But you haven't sniffled much. I'm on drugs. Oh, good for you. Patreon.com slash inside if you want to support the podcast, if you like it, thanks. Don G. Given how much fight running in action scenes you had in Zena, did you sustain injuries any long-lasting and are you okay now?

Well, obviously, you're okay. Oh, yes, tons of injuries, but really, why would I go into that stuff? It just happens. Everybody, in fact, everybody in the world, your body is going to sustain injuries, right? You've got a neck. What happened to your neck?

Ice hockey and shit my whole life. That's my 10th spine surgery. I'm just, I'm grateful that I could walk. Right. That's why Margaret's inspiring to you because just push against. That's why I get emotional when I see that. When I see how she keeps going, it does something to you.

Survive and love, love life every minute you can have it. So yes, I was injured, my friend, many times, knees and backs and pelvis and things, but it just seems to be part of being alive and having an interesting life. Or being one tough bee. It's all a bitch. I'll let you say it. That's why I said B. People get upset.

Oh, by the way, it's rapid fire. Dana S, you made your fight scenes in Zena Warrior Princess look easy and like you were not to be played with. What was the most difficult part of doing those scenes? I always hated them. I was very uncoordinated at school, and it was a shock to me to find myself in this role. Fortunately, I had brilliant stunt women like Zoe Bell, who's a dear friend. And my girlfriend, Dana, who's just blanking on her last name. But anyway, just awesome women.

So they made it all a lot easier. Murph C says, How many young women have you met who were named after Zena? No, I meet dogs and snakes named after Zena. Is that my dogs named Zena? Yeah. Funnily enough, I had an Auntie Zena. She lived to 104.

Anti Zena. Good for her. Great Aunt Zina. Little Lisa, if you could only have one superpower, what would it be? I want to be a talented farder. You hear that? I'm going to read the book. I'm going to read the book and find out how it's done.

Oh, it's a quick read. Yeah. That is a quick, smelly read. Last one, Nico P. You were amazing in Spartacus. What was your favorite part about exploring a complex character such as Lucretia? I really loved working with Viva Bianca. She was such a great friend through that.

And we got up to all kinds of shenanigans outside of work. Like, we just amused the hell out of one another. So the women's, the scenes in the parlor were so deathly because my character was always being told that she was old and ugly and not good enough. And she's always scrabbling for like power and stability. And of course it was none in ancient Rome for a woman alone, right? Or a woman whose husband wasn't climbing the ladder. You're dead. So, yeah, the parlor scenes were really fun to shoot.

This is, Ryan, is this amazing? Yeah, this is awesome. Okay, good. I interview a lot of people. Good. You're like the 350th person, and you're freaking up there. Well, thank you very much. You're fantastic.

The film, the highly anticipated film, never look away. You can get it on digital and demand and all that. I urge you. How about this? Watch it, and if you don't like it, don't listen to my podcast anymore. That's how sure of it I am. I really love it. I think you're going to do.

I say, just watch the first three minutes. If it doesn't grab you, you can stop. Yeah, I think he's. see boobies in the first three minutes too, right? A picture of her? Right? So if you're looking for boobies, then at least, maybe now. I mean, if that's what you're looking for on a dog? Well, maybe some of the perverts out there are going to, I'm trying to get them to at least tune in. Yeah, he perverts. Yeah, you don't see any dongs, though. I was hoping for a dong in that one. Were you? I mean, why not? Sorry.

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