Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Macaulay Culkin

Episode Date: January 15, 2019

Macaulay Culkin (Home Alone, My Girl, Richie Rich) discusses getting in fights when he was a kid at Catholic School, his relationship with his father growing up, and the seven of them living in a one bedroom apartment. Macaulay opens up about getting Uncle Buck and how that led to the Home Alone franchise, getting drunk on set in Thailand on Seth Green’s movie, and his relationship with Michael Jackson. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Light the path to a brighter future with stellar lenses for myopia control. Learn more at SLOR.com. And ask your family eye care professional for SLR Stellist lenses at your child's next visit. You're listening to Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Getting over a little sinus thing going on, Rob, but my voice is a little deeper. You notice that? Yeah, it sounds nice. It's like Sam Elliott.

Oh, thank you, Rob. You never compliment me. It's not like Sam Elliott, you know Sam Elliott was? Yeah, he's on the ranch with Dex. He's on the ranch, with Dex, but I was thinking more like... That's the version of Sam Elliott you're talking about, right? The dude. I'm talking about Big Lobowski, the dude, or Coors.

the banquet beer right yeah i i'm excited about this podcast like i always am about podcasts that are actually good but this one's special this is someone who's been in the uh i don't know in the news in pop culture for what how many years for like 25 30 years 30 years this is i mean you know him from home alone you know him from uh what's the movie with uh the the fat guy john candy not home alone too but he was also in uncle buck which he's got a fast Fascinating story. Macaulay Culkin is on the show. We talk about even Michael Jackson. I was a little bit nervous at the end, but I was like, hey, I got to ask you this. And he was very forthcoming. One of the nicest guys ever. He just shows you how, you know, you can survive after being a child star. He sort of seems happy to me. Seems like he's, I like this guy. I mean, we went to camp together. We talk about this, the camp that we went together. Macaulay Culkin is our guest. Why don't you have a listen? Let's get inside McCauley. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience.

How do you feel about listening to yourself? I'm good with it. You like it? Yeah. Do you like your voice? Not really. Really? I just will say it's kind of in the middle.

I'm not not a fan, but it's not like I don't need the sound. of my own voice. Like, I'm fine with it. No one likes the sound of their own voice. It's that kind of thing where... Speak for yourself, fellas. Yeah, well, it's that kind of thing where it's like you hear yourself

on an old answering machine or something like that or a voicemail and you go, I don't sound that way. Yeah. So, like, listening to myself on my podcast, I'm like, ah, I guess, yeah, I guess I sound that way. Have you done a lot of voiceover work? Not in a while when I was a kid.

I used to do look a lot more. Animated? Yeah, animated kind of stuff. I had my own Saturday morning television show. What was that called? It was called Wish Kid. We did one season of it. Saturday morning, but also this is like early 90s,

so it's like, Rosie O'Donald had her own one, you know, John Candy, Life with Louis, remember Louis Anderson had one, Bobby's World, that was, uh, uh, uh, Howie Mandel. Yeah. So, like, yeah, so I, I was. So you had your own. I had my own, yeah.

Wish, wish kid. Wish kid. I had a magic baseball glove that would grant wishes for me. Really? That sounds kind of fun. Why didn't that work? How, how did it work? How, why didn't, didn't it work? Oh, oh, because, because, I mean, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, a cheap 90s cartoon thing.

They also put us up against the Ninja Turtles, which is like a great idea. I'm like, you know, but yeah. Well, now you've done like a lot of robot chickens because your friends with Seth. I actually just emailed them and said, Hey, man, I was watching robot chicken, man. I'd like to do a line or something on that show.

Have you not done it yet? That's what he said. He goes, you haven't done it? I'm like, no. No, it seems like it's in your real house, the kind of thing that, yeah, I'm surprised you have it. I love weird shit.

I love like, you know, pop culture. Well, I don't do it as much as I'd like, and that's what he always kind of says in general. he goes yeah everybody always says why have you had me on in a while kind of thing so but he hasn't done it in the last two years uh but i used to always do the uh new york comic con panels like for that even though like i wouldn't be on at all that season like i'm just i'm just there randomly it was like my random one year like you know every every you know once you get to see mcculley calkin live there you go i'd show up and i always say beforehand i go don't

worry let me hand all the technical questions you guys do the rest so you know thank you for allowing me to be inside of you macaulay call yeah yes exactly I really appreciate you being here. Oh, yeah, no, thanks for having me. We've had a good time. We've only met since you did my, my podcast. I did the bunny ears. The bunny ears podcast.

I had a blast. You know, if somebody asked me, what's McCauley Calkin like? I got to say, very bright, very random. Nice, yeah. Very, uh, creative. Okay. And so I feel like maybe it's because of your history and the, your career and the personal shit and all the stuff that you've gone through that you've gone through that you've

gone through that you just kind of seem like you found yourself yeah i'm in a really cool place i've actually been pretty comfortable in my own skin for a while there was probably a big chunk of time where like yeah i mean i'm always in a unique position i'm kind of peerless in a certain kind of way you know there wasn't somebody i could like approach or someone i could look to the left or the right and got to go oh yeah you know how it is like like i never really had that kind of really relate to someone. So I had to really kind of figure a lot of this stuff out on my own. So, you know, it's through trial and massive error, you know, here I am. But I'm a, yeah, no, I'm a, you know, I'm a

strong, confident, fierce bitch over here. This is my first beer on the podcast. We're having a carola. Oh, there I go. Here, cheers, cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Here's beer podcasting. Yeah, Bob. Bob, it's actually Rob. Yeah, yeah, but, hey, Bobby. Rob, my producer here, he doesn't, he doesn't want to drink. He says he has to drive. Oh. And look, I mean, there's good for him. He's, you, you hire a responsible person. Look, yeah, a responsible young man. Well, he's, you know, 29 years old.

He's got a child. He's, you know, he's... Tell me more about Rob. Yeah, he's with it. I'm 30, actually. Oh. You had to say that. Yeah, you had to say it.

Yeah, how do you feel about that? He does it every episode. Yeah, yeah. But how do you feel about being 30? Because, like, I was dreading, by the time I was 25, I was dreading 30. Like, by the time I hit my 30th birthday, I was like, oh, thank God, these 20s are over with. Yeah, I was kind of the same. Yeah, yeah, just done.

Yeah. Yeah. 30. I kind of wish I was maybe back in my 30s a little bit. I'm 46. Oh, wow. Congratulations. Like,

that doesn't show. Really? No, yeah. I would have thought that we were about the same age. Like, we could have gone to the same school together. You look younger.

You look like a solid 31. Oh, thanks, man. You're 38? 38. I'm not even blowing you. You look young. Oh, thanks, man. You still have the youthful charm.

Now, there were those days where I've seen pictures with the long hair and the scraggly and you kind of look like a little, maybe a little older, a little bit dirtier. Yeah, yeah. That's what I was doing my band. thing. Yeah, you're talking about your band thing before this. And I didn't really know about the band. I read something about it, but it was like the pizza underground.

It's like the Velvet Underground. You played songs, but you incorporated pizza. You know, take a bite of the wild slice. Now, was that during a time where McCauley did know McCauley and we were searching? Or you kind of like, you were like, I'm fucking doing this. I'm having fun. Oh, yeah. No, it was fun.

It was the four other band members were already kind of toying around to this idea kind of thing. And then he said, oh, we're going to do this open mic at the sidewalk cafe. Do you want to come? I was like, yeah, sure. Why not? And so we did that. and then we recorded something in my living room

of just, like, we had like an eight-minute medley is what we had. Kind of just playing, doing a verse chorus of a bunch of Velvet Underground songs, but just, you know, yeah, waiting for the delivery man, you know, like that kind of thing. And then we pushed it,

one of our bandmates posted it on a band camp, totally forgot about it. And then a month later, I woke up to about 40 texts and 20 calls. I thought someone died. Before I even looked at him, I just assumed it like, oh, God, when you get this many calls,

like something bad happened. But this was a good thing. Oh, yeah, no, it was everybody, was saying, like, oh my God, are you in a pizza band? And it kind of just, like, blew up. So it was, like, our, like, second or third gig. We were doing this place. Now, are you a singer?

I mean, I'd sing in it. I mean, I can carry a tune and all that kind of stuff. But you didn't give a shit. Yeah, and balls, kind of balls of the wall. I don't care. Yeah, exactly. No, we're a comedy act, essentially. You know, we're a parody band.

Right. So you don't need to sing that well. Yeah, exactly. Like a tenacious D, even though he could sing. He can fucking sing, you know, yeah. But yeah, it's also usually five of us singing on top of each other a little bit. So it's like, yeah, like every, you know, it's a good way to hide everyone's weaknesses, essentially. Right.

And yeah, so we were going to do this show and it was a, it was at the place called Baby's All Right. And it's like in January where it was fucking like cold as a witch's teat in New York. And we met at a bar around the corner and we turned the corner. And there was a line like four people wide and stretch around the block, you know, because we hit kind of, I think, a Brooklyn hipster like sweet spot, I think of just kind of just kind of this. weird kind of just a weird idea like you know and just and so you started performing around because I also read so you know we had like an agent and we're like we're doing stuff but then I read somewhere like so it went on for a bit and you were doing this gig in the UK and someone threw some shit at you yeah yeah true yeah I'll say because I I've got on tours with other bands so far the UK is a very

very rowdy crowd anyway they're more and and listen people will throw shit all this fucking time like we'll give up free pizza and like next thing you know like they're throwing it at our drummer or something like that like just for like just because they're they're able and you didn't take offense to that well i what i was worried because it was a lot of glass they were serving out of glass and somebody threw something and it hit the ceiling and kind of shed it on the whole front like two rows and then they almost hurt you and the thing is you kind of don't really want to acknowledge that because you go hey if you do that one more time we're going to leave the stage like if you say shit like that they're going to like you're next you're going to get like eight of them in your face um but you know it started

actually getting dangerous for the crowd and stuff like that and so you just said i'm not doing this show anyway yeah no it's like yeah we just made a decision right then we were 15 minutes into like a 45 minute set and it was kind of just like listen this is dangerous guys like for real like we're done like you know yeah just you know you guys have a really good rest of your festival was there was there no no no no that was the whole idea is that you didn't want it to get more rowdy because i've i've been around the blunt because i've i've toured with other bands before and that usually like by that i mean like i'm like tour mom like i hang out in the van of the bus and i help with the load ins and load out and i like traveling yeah i mean you just like to just you want to just you want to to just fit in like that you know it's like can i just be a regular guy why do i have especially like with like it's technology now it's almost impossible to like be yourself right yeah i mean as soon as they put cameras on phones i was like god oh jesus like you know i'm i'm fucked we're all fucked yeah that's exactly right do you ever i mean i don't see you as oh i don't know you that well but like are you a guy that kind of are you a patient man do you lose your shit has mcculley ever

been like fuck you no no i'm actually like whenever you see me mad that's a very very rare kind of thing like you know i i can get upset and i know but i used to be when i was younger i was the kind of guy like if like things weren't going well on a video game like i i can't tell you how many like freaking consoles i broke by throwing a controller at it like oh yeah and uh yeah no people who like know me like as an adult they go like i would never see you ever being that kind of way i'm actually i'm a very very even zen patient man you know i i don't really lose my i lose i've lost my shit probably i'm going to say four times in the last I could see you doing that

And not on a regular basis, but I can see that And you have a fire When someone pushes me to a certain point where it's just like You know, being really passive aggressive Or really like, you know, and it takes a lot But my drummer, I love him to death My drummer in the band, he You know, he's the only person

That can really, I love him, I love Kent But he fucking fires me up, man Sometimes he'll just be like, I'll go, hey, can you just get a little pop to They goes, what do you mean pop? Or you know, just a little energy to that He's like, that's what I've been doing, man. And it just becomes this conversation that, and I just start, and it takes a minute. He started to poke you with a stick.

And then I go, what the fuck? That's just energy, would you? Yeah, but I try not to lose my shit. But I remember once in, I was probably in grade school, my friend Danny Cutter, I went over and we played Atari Pac-Man before school started. Oh, God, that was the worst, man. But it was the best. Yes, you were the best worst.

I remember winning. I remember beating his record. The second I beat the record, he unplugged the game. And I took that fucking joystick, that little fucking rubber. joystick and I swear to God I launched it at his face 10 feet away like I don't know if it's broke because there's blood everywhere his mom goes Michael

leave leave now I'm like You're not welcome in my house I mean it was just a rude thing to do you don't do that shit man You don't fuck a guy's old Pac-Man Yeah you don't fuck with someone's Atari Yeah so you're even kill You're a pretty normal guy you've dated some beautiful women thanks I mean you're dating a beautiful

woman I agree You do I mean what is the charm Because you're obviously charming But you don't look like a guy who would go up and try to pick up a girl Well, no, I mean, I've always been very forthright I'm honest and forthright and I'll just... Like if I'm a girl, what would you say to me? If you wanted...

Hey, you look like Michael Rosenbaum. That's what I mean that first thing about that you throw a fucking beer bottle. I'll take it in our car control like, oh, this is for your buddy, Ken, whatever. Here you go, in your eyes. But like this guy who's a celebrity who's had enormous success and all this stuff. But it's like, you know, you think of like guys. like, oh, Chris Evans or these guys who don't have to do anything. The Hemsworthies.

The Hemsworthish. I mean, am I Hemsworthy? What's your approach? Because I always feel like I always felt like I was like the dorky kid. I was a smallest kid in high school. I had, you know, it was dysfunctional. But, you know, I felt like I would somehow make them laugh. Mm-hmm.

I can, I feel like if I make you laugh, maybe I can get in that way. Yeah, you know, I've always been, you know, some form of funny and charming. And like I said, and forward, I like you. I like you. Like, would you say that right away? Like, I like you. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, I mean, not like, oh, hey, like, you have my baby. No, of course, no. It's like, you know what I like. Look, I like you. But also, I'm an old-fashioned gentleman. I would ask you first, can I kiss you? Really? I always would say that.

And I will say, like, at least, I'd say it's 50-50 split. Half the girls would find that incredibly charming, like very gentlemanly. Like, oh, I'm holding the door for them. May I kiss you? Et cetera. And the other half would I, no, we would laugh, roll their eyes and go, Jesus Christ, just kiss me already, would you? Like, that kind of thing.

no failures it sounds like oh no no i mean of course i have we all i mean i thought the other half was gonna be like fuck you you're like no the other other just kiss me yeah yeah just shut the hell up and just kiss me i actually had that i was uh i'm not a drug user uh majorly i smoke a little pot um it's legal in this state i take a little something for anxiety at times but i was at burning man one time and i i said hell with it i'm gonna take some molly ringwolds while i'm there and i'm mollied out and uh i don't recommend doing this but uh this girl and i locked eyes and uh you you know, just, she wouldn't stop staring at me. And I went up to her finally and we're just both, you know, somewhere else.

And she goes, your breath smells great. Wow. And I was chewing this watermelon tried in or whatever. And I go, would you like a piece? She goes, sure. But it was so intimate and so sexy. Did you use the one that was already in your mouth? No.

See, that's where I thought this was going. Well, I thought it was too dried out. She'd be like, why did you give me that? It's already chewed. I know, but that was an in. Right. I should have, but I didn't. And it wouldn't help this situation.

But I said, thanks. And I gave a piece of gum. And we just talked for a second. She was just looking at me like this almost like a vampire looks at its prey, like, you know, fright night, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I go, finally go, I want to kiss you right now. And she goes, that's not going to happen. Oh, wow.

And I go, what? See, that's the thing is that you can't get too offended by that kind of stuff because she just stared at me and said my breath's fresh. I know. That's true. That's true, actually. I see where you're coming. Like it seemed like that's what she was hinting at

But good thing you asked Yeah, or then it would have just turned her head away Going like, no Like, you know, that would have sucked That would have sucked more It sucked anyway, it was just like you're down That would have sucked more It would have sucked more

But have you ever been turned down on a kiss? Yeah, of course Did you feel bad? You know what? Did you feel shame? I mean probably like, yes, when I was younger But like yeah, like as I hit my like late 20s early 30s kind of thing

Like no I go like cool That could have gone so much worse Yeah, thanks for denying me Yeah, I mean, thanks. Rob, have you ever tried to kiss a girl and she rejected you? I don't think, but it's not because it happened a ton of time. You just weren't very forward, maybe.

You're a very passive, relaxed, dude. But you seem like a really polite kind, you know. You have a good soul, so, you know, what is it? I've been with my wife for eight years, so I don't really remember, but mostly. Did you take the initiative or did she kiss you? Um, I think it was me. I'm glad it was memorable. I was just about to say.

Like, wow, memories. I was a kiss with your wife. You don't remember what happened. My current girlfriend, she actually said, are you going to come over here and kiss me or what? Like, it was like that. It's a boner, right? Oh, you know, I just said, like, in general.

I said, like, oh, like, yes, I said I was planning on it. It just, there's other people here. But, like, sure, I'll just kiss you right now. Do you still get boners from kissing? Like, a first kiss? Oh, yeah. You still get a bonner? There's nothing, there's nothing, there's nothing like, there's nothing like, there's nothing, like,

kissing somebody for the first time. Yeah, like that you find somebody that you want to kiss And they want to kiss you back I mean, isn't that that's fucking like cool Like when you like somebody and they like you back Like that's that's that's it Have you ever had butterfly with a capital IT man? Have you ever had butterflies legitimate like

Oh my God, that tingling sensation? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I have it doesn't happen a lot But when it happens it's just like The older you get the less it happens What are you saying man? That you're old

Is there anything I could say? Oh, the hope is dying. All right so look man I don't want to be redundant because you're the kind of guy that probably has been asked every question under the sun. Let's walk through this because a lot of this show

we talk about people's anxieties, their fears, their depressions, they're losing people in their life and it just sometimes takes a turn and goes, and what I found is that people listening really appreciate it and they tweet me all the time

saying it's helping me with my life and my anxiety or whatever they have. Yeah, yeah. So that's sort of like, you know, I don't want to ever step over boundaries, but I like to sort of like, I'm like looking at you going, hey,

If anything, you're a success story in the fact that in the sense that I can't imagine myself being a young boy growing up in Hollywood. I can't deal with it now. It's hard being around other celebrities sometimes. It's hard being always trying to fit in, always trying to be yourself. But imagine being young and not really just getting into the wrong crowd too soon and not having the proper guidance. So I don't know even how you made it. because I would have jumped off a bridge when I was probably 12. I wouldn't say I was like caught up in like too many were wrong crowds or anything like that.

Like if anything, I was pretty fortunate. I was relatively sheltered in a certain kind of way. You mean with your family? Yeah, just yeah, in general. Like we never did like the L.A. kind of scene. I was always kind of a New York kind of kid and stuff. I was a bit insulated. You know, like so like yes, like there weren't a lot of just outsiders around.

I come from a very large family. So it was always kind of like. Where is Culkin? Is it Scott? Oh, no, it's Irish. Irish. Yeah, it's like, lowland Irish, you know. If I was Highland, I'd be Mick Culkin.

You know, yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah. I think we're from around Cork, but I'm not entirely sure. My mother would know. Right. My mother loves having seven Irish children. She has no Irish in her at all, you know?

I mean, she did seven times, but, hey-yo. Only seven times? Oh, yeah. No, that's it. They were all lucky seven. It was all after her eggs drop. But, yeah, so it was like I would, I was pretty isolated when I worked. Like, I'd show up to work.

I do my work I do my schooling so forth Once I was done Go back to the house Go over the next day's stuff And then boom It was a public school No no I was in a Catholic school

Yeah I was raised a good Catholic boy Or are they giving you shit in school at all Like oh you're that guy Pick on you A little bit There was some kind of prison rules a little bit But at the same time like I could handle myself You know it's different like you know

It's different when you're adults Like right now I'm 57-140 That's not really much You know yeah It's kids are kids Like, yeah, so, like, yeah, I could, you know, I could fist fight, you know, things like that. So you fought? A little bit, yeah.

I was a little feisty back then. I was pretty good, actually. I was pretty feisty. Really? You had a temper. Well, yeah, a little bit of a temper, not super bad. But that's when you were throwing consoles and shit. Yeah, exactly.

You know, yeah, it was, yeah, I threw some fisticuffs back in the guy, in a, in a Catholic school, my little uniform and everything. Like, yeah, it's exactly what you think it is. Right, so you're isolated, you're saying isolated, you come back home in school, your parents were they getting along your parents no not really no that that was always very very tricky but my father was a very very um i'm going to be very kind he was a complicated man uh well what complicated oh he honestly he was a mean bastard you know uh ultimately yeah look uh he really shouldn't have been a father to be honest how old was he when he had you or when he had his first kid when he had his first kid i think he was about 28 something like 28 29 and my mother is 10

years younger so like she she started having kids around like 18 19 yeah so I am I am like 16 years older than my mom was when she had me right now geez yeah yeah and all I have is a couple of cats to show for it cat and a dog you know yeah so was he not was he not like a loving person was he not somebody like McCauley I love you I'm so proud of you no no no that didn't exist the word proud never came I never heard my father say that either yeah I wouldn't call him a bastard or anything he tried but I do actually go to my way to, when it comes to, like, my loved ones and, you know, my brothers and things like that, when they do something really good or great or whatever, I go out of my way to say that

I am proud of them. Because that's something that I never really hurt. That's such an important thing. Yeah. And I talked about it. It's like, you know, especially in the developmental stages, you're coming home from school, hearing your dad, seeing your dad give you a hug. Do you think anything would have changed if you think, you know, the whole saying you're a product

of your own environment, you think that holds true. I mean, obviously, right? I mean, yeah, no, if things were different, then things would be different. You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, like, yeah, it's like that. I understand that. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

That's kind of what the question is. Like, yeah, no, if things were different being brought up, yes, I wouldn't be me. But here's the thing is that I love me, man. I think I'm freaking cool and awesome and all that kind of stuff. So I wouldn't want to change a thing, man. Like, I'm happy. See, that's what's so important. And I don't know if I was able.

I'm still doing that. I'm still going through the motions of like. Every day is trying to love me. I mean, there's people on here that I've talked to that I feel like they don't love themselves or they have even Rob said he didn't really necessarily love himself it's it's I'm sorry to throw you under the bus there out yeah yeah way to not love yourself Rob

tell us more well I just think that you know I just always use my right hand this is Stephanie right here this one this one's called Jennifer that was mom was cool if life was a game of tag she was home base that's the whole thing if you didn't have her you're fucked yes yes

exactly I mean she she offered us a lot of love there wasn't a lot of other like things that went with it. I mean, she's juggling seven children. I'm third of seven. So third of seven. Yeah. Who was the bad one? Who is the bad one? Who is the bad seat? Who was always getting in trouble? No, actually, we really, we never had those, like, you know, like, oh, the one that kept on getting arrested or anything like that. Like, no, I mean, everyone has their own troubles kind of thing. So I wouldn't say there was actually, like, I don't think there's anyone I would file under that category. Like, you know, yeah. Right.

Yeah, yeah. You know, some are a little, you know, more this or less that kind of thing. But, yeah, nobody had thrown into the bus, at least. But when you say disciplinary, and it's like, was your dad, like, some guy who, like, you know, my dad hit me every once in a while? Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I mean, I got the switch, you know, yeah, yeah, you know, I got the, you know, the belt. Everybody sort of got the belt in the house. Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, the spatula. I remember the spatula. Ooh, that's got a little stang on, a little stank on it.

Was your mom always yelling in the background? Stop it, stop it. No, no, she'd do it too sometimes. She'd give you the old smack. Yeah, it's a very, you know, old. old fashions kind of thing i think so i think yeah they were you know my father was raised in the 50s like you know my my mother like in like you know the 60s like yeah it's it was still there that was a part of it like right you know you know corporal punishment you know yeah i would never ever hit a kid

like just generally i i philosophically against it and you know being a product of that kind of upbringing i go like you know i actually did get the point without it like you you don't need to hit me now you did you didn't need to hit me what about school did they paddle you in catholic school? No, no, I got like, at least by the, you know, mid, late 80s, like, we kind of already started moving away from that. I got ear pulled, you know, by a teacher and something like that. Oh, yeah, but that was the thing. I was like, she didn't have to do that. Like, she didn't. Like, you know, I was just, yes, I was talking to my neighbor and she snook up behind me. Like, you know, just like, I almost like a picture her like tiptoeing, like a cartoon. And you're like,

oh, and then boom, got pulled by the ear. Like, I'll get you, McCallie. It's like, yes, okay. I get it. I shouldn't have been doing that. But like, yeah. Do you remember her name? I bet you do miss giffington see you remember the people who abuse you yes you do i remember mrs todd i remember mrs ebly oh did you get the paddle i got the paddle for mrs ebly and but i was like how dare you and she just ridiculed me in front of this whole classroom and it was very difficult for me as a child so uh but i was also like i'm not going to say i was a perfect kid i was always wanting attention kind of like i still do now i'm always i'm sort of that person who go into the performing arts like i was the same way i always did you act out oh yeah i wasn't

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returns that's q you i n c e dot com slash inside of you free shipping and 365 day returns quince dot com slash inside of you how do you fucking even think of getting in acting it started uh because my father like acted a little bit when he was a kid and uh he also like dance ballet and things like that so he had my older brother and sister kind of start like doing that kind of stuff like getting some headshots and rolling them in some ballet stuff, like the 90-second street-wide. And they wanted to do it. I'm not even sure if they did. It was kind of just something. And I kind of said, like, I want to do what they're doing kind of thing. And the thing is that I instantly was good at those things. And I was instantly just adept at them. And I was instantly kind of booking gigs. I mean,

within a month of going to the 90-second street-wide to do some ballet, like, lessons, I was at the school of American ballet, you know, which is the most prestigious one in the United States, one of the three best in the entire world. Like, my first audition I booked, like, you know, when it comes to, like, acting kind of stuff. I was kind of just instantly adept at those kind of things. And you loved it. Yeah, I enjoyed doing it, yeah, like, especially early on.

Like, yeah, no, of course. Like, this is, like, it was easy. It was one of those things for, like, especially, like, ballet, which is, it's not an improv kind of, kind of dance. Like, you know, you do exactly what we tell you. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. So, like, great, I could do that. Like, you show me, I was good at mimicry.

so like you show me what to do with my body one two three four five six seven eight I could do that and I could I could just reproduce like yeah so it was like oh like when it came to acting it's like say this about the macaroni and cheese I'm like all right cool boom I can do that you have a good ear you have good memory yeah yeah I mean I used to especially

like whenever I lost my place on a script I would just picture the script I would picture the page in my mind and then just start reading it like I don't really have that photographic memory anymore I mean I'm getting older I've been drinking corona I've been drinking coronas Well, don't worry, coronas are gluten-free.

You're not going to get all that gluten in your brain. Oh, thank God. I was worried about the gluten beer. That's what it blocks photographic memory, too. Yeah, of course, we all know that. There's more of a freedom. When you're a child, though, it's like you're fearless, right? You feel like you don't think about that when you get older, it's when it all happens.

Yeah, I was pretty invincible back then. Like, yeah, like nothing could really shake me. Like, you could do anything. They could say, hey, I want you to sit there and I want you to scream like an idiot and you can do it and not worry about like everybody laughs. laughing at you were thinking about you just did it yeah you know exactly it was you know like because i think occasionally like a like some of the kids like in grade school or whatever try to give me some shit try to like tease me or whatever and it's like cool i have a full time job and i'm really

good at this like yeah it was like so like yeah like it didn't like affect me like i would kind of just like cool like you know like you got you you know what guys you wish that was really what it was like you know and like i wasn't like a jerk about it because they were being jerks to me yeah you're just like so i went to catholic school so i turned the other cheek a good amount. Was the rest of the family kind of jealous? Uh, no, no, uh, because all of them in one form or another, uh, like we're kind of doing, doing their things. Like, yeah, uh, remember the Kieran was in home alone with me. Right. Right. Right. Right. And my oldest brother was doing our town on Broadway and stuff like that. Like, you know, they were all kind of like, yeah,

we all kind of just got into the performing arts in one form or another. And you guys were all tight? Uh, yeah. We grew up, we grew up, we grew up in a one bedroom apartment, you know, so it's like, you know, so there's nine of us in a one bedroom apartment, two parents and seven kids. Who was farting? Oh, gosh. Who was the one who was farted? We've actually never really been a gassy family But yeah Is that true? Yeah, yeah, we weren't so bad

My family don't go near the Rosenbaum's Yeah, I know Well, I've heard, you know, yes, we actually Oh wait I just listened to our podcast from camp, man Yeah, I get your podcast Yeah, yeah And like, you farted right into the microphone

And then nobody wanted to use that microphone Because like you farted into it And then just left And it's like, okay I had shower after that fart Yeah, believe me, I know Because you came in wearing just nothing But a towel over your junk

And that's it Like your ass is hanging out Yeah, I can still see it I was listening to it last night. I was like, and I can still see it. Did you have a laugh? Did you have a chuckle? Oh, fuck, yeah.

You kidding me? I love that kind of shit. Oh, good. I didn't know if I offended you. No, no, no. I mean, I'm a dainty motherfucker, but like, no, I think that's great. Like, yeah, I'm just glad I didn't have to use that microphone after you got done with it. I'm going to say something that might surprise you.

You may not believe me, but my farts rarely smell. Yeah, you kind of just. I don't know why. Yeah, it's more, it's more air than methane or whatever. Ask any of my friends. I went to a colonoscopist. I don't think that's the title I don't think you got a colonoscopy whatever I went to him and I said look man I fart a lot I goes okay gastro a gastro a gastro something yeah entomologist and I said I fart all I goes yeah all right I go yeah I mean more than any of my friends my friends are like you fart more than anybody knows okay I go that's not anything to worry about I goes no no you just have a loose colonelon well then I go and you don't smell it flappy anus it's a flappy anus so shouldn't I get on colonoscopy now he's like well not for that I mean do you have any pains yeah you bloated constantly I'm like well well

Yeah, no, I had one of those recently. Hellenoscopy? Yeah, yeah, I also got scoped down my throat, too. Why? I don't have an ulcer. That's good news. Bad news is I have two ulcers. So I have two ulcers.

I do, I do, brother. What does an ulcer feel like? Sometimes it'll flare up a little bit. It's like, honestly, for me, it's like very heartburny, like that kind of thing. Like, you know, like kind of almost like acid refluxy. Yeah, I get that everyone's when I have like spaghetti or eat late at night. I just started getting it a lot. Uncomfortable, discomfort.

yes exactly like not like pain pain or whatever and it's like yeah i just had to kind of curb certain things you didn't have any polyps uh oh in my butt yeah yeah yeah yeah i did you had some they yeah yeah yeah yeah you know but it's also i that apparently that's a family trait as well polyps in the mcculkins yeah in the mcculkins yeah in the mcculcans you know the colchins polyps and the colkins yeah so it should be like an irish slang polyps in the colps in the colchins it's the name of my next album polyps and the colchins what's in the coles Polips and the colks. Pops and the cox.

Right. That should be a song. I like the girls with the polyps and the cokes. Pop the polyps and the colts and the colch. That's so stupid. I think we found it. We found it. Hey, I think you're enjoying my candy corn.

I know. No, that's not candy corn, dude. Those are Reese's pieces, ma'am. Oh, they are? Yeah. Oh, I thought I put candy corn in there. No, well, they have the same color scheme. I'm colorblind.

Are you? Yeah. Really? Yep. So it's like the green red kind of thing? Yeah, red green, blue, green. I just can't differentiate a lot of colors. Well, those are different shapes.

I was just about to say that this is not a colorblind thing. This is a shape thing. Let me see them. Those are round. They look like M&Ms. Cones. Yeah, they're con. We don't have to have a battle here.

He's shaped blind also. She's Louise. I know. So, yeah, so what color is? I think that's, I know it's blue because it's my couch. It's kind of blue. Pallups in the colch. Paulups and the Colch.

Yes, listen, we all have our issues. I'm not making funny. I'm more interesting. No, no, no. So where were we were we? We were talking about some good stuff here. Polops. So you're all good, though.

They removed polyps. They found out you have two old. I'm good. They put you on some medication. You're fine. Yes, exactly. You're not leaving us anytime soon. No, I'm not, I'm good.

I'm like, yeah, my lady, she's, you know, she makes sure I'm always good looking at it. She, she, she, she, if she has, she's worried about even just this much about something. Like, next thing, you know, it's not the end of the world, but she makes me do something about it kind of thing. Right. So, like, I've never gone to the doctor as. much in my life as I have. Do you get fiscals now every year?

Yeah, I'm doing that kind of stuff. Do they, do they put the, do you get the, uh, the finger up the butt? Yeah, I'm at that age, man. You know what, I've never had that. I feel, I feel it for the rest of the day. I do. I've never had that. One time I had that, but my, my doctor of 20 years, I always ask him.

The other day I said, why don't you ever put your finger in my butt? I swear to God, Dr. Unger. And I go, he goes, he goes, it's your girlfriend's job. Yeah. Do you want me too? And like, yeah, you got on all four us and like, come on. Well, I go on 46. He goes, but look, Michael, I take the blood test.

Your blood, the PSA levels are fine. If they were abnormal, I'd stick my finger in there, but not abnormal. Cool. Yeah, I've had twice in my adult life. And like I said, you do feel it for the rest of the day. At my age, look, it's about time. Yeah, you're 38. You're fine.

Oh, yeah, exactly. But, you know, you're supposed to do it every once in a while. So, like, yeah, hey, kids out there, get a healthy finger up your butt every once in a while. Listen to your doctor. Don't be like roast and balm over here. So, hey, so let's backtrack here. So back to, so what was the first big thing? The first big thing was kind of like an Uncle Buck, right?

Was that the kind of thing that took you off, right? Yeah, yeah. Did you audition with John Candy for that? Yeah, yeah. And I ended up, I don't really remember it that much. I mean, I remember him and John Hughes was in the room and the casting director, Billy Hawkins. Shout out. What was the girl's name, the sister?

Oh, the one, that was Gabby Hoffman, was the younger sister. And then you had Gene Kelly, what's her name. Yes, I just did a movie with her. Called the neighbor, she was lovely. Oh, yeah, okay, cool. She was a lot older than you, though, probably. She's only, like, 45 or not. Well, I was, like, eight, and she was probably, like, like, 16.

Oh, okay, it wasn't that bad. It's a huge difference at that age. Like, now it's like, yeah, like, you know. But what do you remember about meeting John Candy? Well, apparently at some point, I ended up sliding between his legs during the audition. What made you slide between John Carrier? I was, you know, I was the kind of kid who would, like, get up and stand up on the table and do my stuff. or like, yeah, just like, oh, this John Candy, yeah, I really don't care.

Like, I just, boom. Do you think John Kennedy was like, Jesus, no, he, this guy's too much, just kids. No, no, no, it was instantly, yes, this kid. Like, this, like, yeah, like, they were looking for a punk. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, some kid who was not intimidated by any of this kind of stuff and one that was, like, willing to kind of just be a jerk about things. And you own the room.

Yeah, exactly. Like, I was never intimidated by that kind of stuff. So what did they say for you to do? What did they say, hey, uh... No, just do the scene or whatever. and then like John Candy would start playing around and so I'd start playing around back and it was one of those things where I was never like impressed

by like celebrities kind of thing Even even to really understand that yeah well I mean like certain times Like no let's say you like you know you're a kid and like you know like you see like Bruce Springsteen Like oh I mechanize him from like you know MTV and this and that and then you meet him you're like oh my god you're the TV guy You're the guy who sings the song it's like you know like and it does you think you're going to act a certain way when you a celebrity like you think you're gonna be cool you think it'll be this or that like you know and like normally people freaking like freeze up and stuff like that

and it goes doubly so for kids yeah no for me like I was never intimidated by anybody probably had to be excited about meeting John Candy well no no they were in the room I was working I was I was I'm at work I mean when you get the part when you get the part your dad or your mother's on set yes yeah yeah um you know I never really asked them like honestly I really I did just do my work

they never said hey I want to meet candy bring them over no no no no no I you know they never were into that They just sat back and just chilled out. You don't ask the eight-year-old to do the introductions. Some people do that. I know. I know. Well, you know, at least I guess they had enough sense not to.

Yeah, right? And yeah, yeah, no. And I kind of just, I did my work. And I was, like I said, like, you tell me what to do. I can do it. They're like, oh, be more this or then. I'm like, yeah, cool. I could turn it up to 11 if you want to be to.

If you want to turn it down to a two or whatever. And that was John Hughes. That was John Hughes. Yeah. And so there's that scene in Uncle Buck where he has, he's having his girlfriend, watch the kids. you know, but Sheenice, and it's before she came over, and then I have to, like, look through, like, the mail slot

and, like, oh, can I please see your ID? Can you please take it out of there? And I'm sitting there, like, on a chair, like, you know. That's what gave John Hughes the idea for Home Alone was that scene. He saw a little kid protecting the house. So he wrote it specifically with me in mind. But he wasn't directing anything like that. So he gave it to Chris Columbus and said, this kid, this is the kid that you should hire.

I met with him. He, I don't like you at first. I'm not sure if he liked me at first, because I hated freaking like meetings and it was one of those things where he was like talking with my father the whole time because this is a lunch meeting kind of and you were bored out of your ass so I started just doing everything he did so every time he like grabbed the glass with his right hand and took a drink I would do the exact same thing and after half an hour he noticed what I was doing and then he's like ha ha okay that's cute

and it became less and less cute because I just did it the entire freaking time because I was just so like bored and he was just like I think it was a relative turnoff I'm not sure you thought no way I'm getting this boy you didn't think that but your dad probably thought I I really didn't care. I know he even told me he's like, you're being annoying. I'm like, I,

yeah, but then he went, he went around, he auditioned to everybody else, and then he brought me into, like, the final callbacks. And then like, yeah, next thing you know, I killed it,

you know, like, yeah. That was like, there was a reason why John Hughes was telling you to come to me. Was there anything in that audition that you remember that you did that was like, that sealed the deal?

Oh, no, we were carnies, man. Like, no, like, here's what we did. So what they really want to care about, like, with children, child actors is they care if you remember your lines. You know, you don't want to work with, like, you know, children and

animals, like, you know, because they, they're hard to control. And they, you know, so they wanted to make sure I knew all of my lines. So what they did was do scene two and scene four. So they'd send it over and all that stuff. My father would go through the entire script, find the two scenes with the longest speeches in it. And then I go into the room and they'd say, okay, do scene two, then scene four. I go, I don't, no, no, I memorize scene 27 and scene 53. They're like, just do what you know kid so i like rip off like seed 23 and it's like you know a page and a half long you know soliloquy practically and it you know and then it's doing two things one and showing them i know to memorize all this shit you know yeah and also two fuck you tricked us we when you said oh i i

remember something else we felt bad for you and like they would see what the trick was and they're like all right cool like so that's what i did on that that first one alone and then didn't have to audition for a long, long time after that. Was that one of your last auditions for years? Until I was an adult, like, yeah, yeah. That's just amazing because auditioning, people don't understand out there. It sucks. I hate it.

It's the worst. I get more anxiety than anything. It's like you're selling yourself. And there's also that thought in your head as an adult that somebody else has already got an offer for this. Or somebody else is going to get, go out, those guys are better looking than me. Oh, this is, it's hard to really focus, get it in and really put the work in because you know you're probably not going to.

It's funny because acting is about faking it. And for some reason, auditions. Like, I always feel like I'm faking, faking it. Like, it's, like, yeah, like, it's... Like, you don't care almost? Yeah, it's like, this is not real. And, like, you know, there's a certain skill to audition. There's a way you audition and it's a way you act, you know?

Like, yeah, and it's, like... Because, yeah, I know people who are really good at auditioning, but they're not, like, you know, great actors kind of thing. Like, yeah, they know how to... There's a certain, like, yeah, there's a certain way that you have to go about, like, like, approach those kind of things. And, you know, I'm not a big fan of that chess game, you know, like, uh... Will you audition right now?

Uh, yeah, yeah, I mean, I'll go in for, like, things every once in a while, but, like, in general, no. I mean, I've done it once in the last eight years. Well, what was it? So, uh, it was for, it was for Tarantino, like kind of thing, which I wasn't right for and stuff like that, but like, listen, like, is someone like that, you know, I approach for about something like that or someone like from like Wes Anderson or somebody like that, I go, yeah, I'll go in for something like that. Tarantino auditioned you know, you met with him?

No, no, no, I didn't. It was, you know, yeah, it was, it was, it was the people's, it was the peoples. It was the peoples. Right. But acting sense. I pursue. Like, I, I like it. I think I'm relatively good at it. Things like that. But, like, it's, I don't like, I don't like the circuit. I don't like the scene. Like, you know, yeah, I'm not going to go back on the circuit and start, like, auditioning for like, yeah, just, there's nothing you can do to make me excited about pilot season. There's just nothing you can do. you don't want to just be on some random show no exactly like no like listen I'm I'm I'm secure I'm happy like yeah it's like I only do things I want to do

and I'm not feeling left out from anything I think that's the misconception I make my own stuff I think that's the misconception with a lot of actors it's like you know you know for the most part like Smallville was the biggest thing that I did for the most part that's the biggest show I did and I think people think well what do you do now what's going on now you have to always be working what are you doing next And it's, and it just, you get to a point where you're just like, I'm doing what I want to do. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm just trying to be happy like everybody else and doing the, you know, what happened to that guy? That's always the question. Like, not actually nothing. I got some beautiful dogs in a beautiful house and like, yeah, like, I'm doing my thing. Actually, everything good happened to him. Yeah, like no shit. You know?

Yeah. No, it's, because it's, it's, you know, it's the worst question you ever ask an actor is, what are you doing next? I know. Because it makes them feel insecure because unless they kind of say, I am doing the blankety-y-blank. Like, they'll, they'll ask you that after you win an Oscar. You win an Oscar. And boom, you're standing up there and, like, you're doing that stupid fucking press room afterward. And they're asking you, so what's, so what's next for you?

Can I just enjoy the next to? You know, I just won a fucking Oscar. Like, just like, give me a fucking second, would you? Yeah. And yeah, so there's a certain amount of, like, they try to feed into a certain amount of insecurities in that are kind of innate to this line of work being an actor kind of thing that I don't appreciate. Like, I do find that kind of stuff. it's not the kind of line of work that I really want to be a part of

or at least that I'm pursuing like I'm willing to do some gigs like every once in a while and those kind of things but like they have to be right and things like yeah like listen I've made my name I've made my fortune

like I don't know what else I have nothing to prove to nothing and nobody like no I just do the stuff I want to do man that's beautiful because the worst thing is if you actually respond to that question and then you feel like a complete dickhead I never had any problem

always saying nothing man I don't know like that's the way to do it What are you up to, man? Absolutely shit. Nothing, man. I just adopted a cat, man. It's awesome. You flew to Denver to drop that cat, right? You flew to Denver yesterday. Jesus, right? Adopt a cat. To adopt a cat. Good for you. What's the cat's name?

Okay, we haven't landed on it because it's only been like 25 hours at this point. I'm leaning towards dude. Dude. Like, hey, dude. Like, hey, little dude. Like, you know, like, oh, look at my big dude. Like, dude, get down. Dude, get off of there. I pitch cheese. I don't know, for some reason.

Oh, my God. My ex-girlfriend named her Cat Cheeseburger. I just wanted to call him cheese. Hey, one, two, three, stick it in my cheese. You have an animal, Rob? Yeah, you don't have a little dog. I know, what's his name? Huxley.

Huxley. I like that. That's a good name. Except they're all this Huxley. What's your kid's name? Calvin. Calvin Herald. Okay.

Calvin Herald? Yep. Oh, I thought you were going to say Hobbs. Calvin Hobbs. You wanted it? Were you Calvin and Hobbs saying? Yeah, I was Because

Whenever I hear of Calvin I hear that Comics It's comic Oh yeah I didn't watch comics I didn't read them I didn't read them

It's a book I was a horror movie fan We talked about this On my podcast Yeah big horror movie Yeah by the way Every Wednesday Yeah

Bunny years Boney ears is amazing It's a lot of fun You guys just kind of go off Just do what you want That's what I like It's free fall When do you guys

Are your stuff We're every Tuesday Right Rob? Yep Tuesdays Oh nice Tuesdays and Wednesdays When is this gonna go up

It's like How long is your turn around How far ahead do you report? You know, we've got a lot of guests ahead, but we're into like January right now. Nice. I don't go. Yeah. We've done the same kind of thing.

I mean, probably by the time this airs, because we're retooling a little bit, like actually Matt's going off and doing his own thing. I'm going to go off and do my own thing. Yeah, so, you know, it's like a band going off and doing their solo albums. Are you going to do it alone now? Yeah, but I'm going to also mix it up a little bit. I can just play with the format. Certain sensibilities we kind of just like, yeah, like I think he has a little bit more

of a formal kind of thing. I kind of want to be a little looser with it. Like I said, it's like a band Like, cool, it's two our solo albums, man Like, all right, that doesn't preclude us From, like, getting back together And like, you know, doing that tribute concert, you know? That's true, it's very true.

So that's kind of what we're doing a little bit. Yeah, it's not messy. Like, no, we're still friends And we're still working together. Just like, yeah, look, you do your thing. I'd go, you know, you go go do you. There's nothing wrong with that. So you, did you have any problem with like saying fuck it?

Like, you know, after, because you did a lot of my girl, good son. Good son was creepy as shit. You're creepy. I'd love to see you play. I mean, look, you did Party Monster, which you were dark and fucked up and weird, and that was really cool.

It's like, I think when you want to do something, you really go for it. Yeah. That's what I've noticed. You really go for it. Yeah, no, if I'm like, if I'm in, I'm in. And like, yeah, I'll hear the two things I'm good at. I'm actually kind of good at being like charming,

I guess is for lack of a better word, kind of being outward and charming. I can do that. And I can be creepy. You know, I, don't ask me to be the, Don't ask me to be the quarterback on, like, you know, your football team. You could be the Joker. You could be the Riddler.

Yeah, exactly. You could be, you know, what's the movie? That's suicide squadish. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You could do roles like that. I think you could do stuff like that. I can do, like, I can go far creepy and I can do like really like silly and, you know, like, yeah, kind of like, yeah, when I did a cess movie, Changeland. Yeah, yeah.

I want to see that. When is it? I don't know. I mean, I think they have some foreign distribution. I think they're kind of going international. and then working their way to the States because I think they... I'm not sure if they were necessarily happy

with all the offers they got for the domestic kind of stuff. Change land. Change land. I always call it Changeland. Changeland. Because it kind of bugs them when I do that so I'm like, now I have to.

It's changeland. But yes, no, I got to be like a, you know, just a drunken boat captain. Like, yeah, it's perfect. Like, you know, I can do that. Do you drink when you work ever? Yeah. You do?

I have. Oh, no, I have. I did it on that one. And I think I pushed it a little too far. Well, they upset? I said, hey. Oh, yeah, no, yeah, no, at one point, it was kind of like, hey, like, I was like, I get it. Like, listen, I know I'm not a method actor, but at the same time you're asking for a drunken boat captain.

And like, and like, yeah, I said like, yeah, no, honestly, cool, I'm going to, I'll keep the flask at home. I dig it. How drunk were you? No, I think I had, one, the culk. I had, well, it's different. I mean, my, my, my scale's different than normal people's scales. But, uh, can you hold your liquor? Uh, yes, yes.

I think that almost explains the ulcers. I get to do a whole bottle of whiskey by myself. A whole fifth of whiskey in a day. Yeah, I could do that. And you'd be drunk, though. I mean, yeah, no, I'd be good and proper. Like, yeah, no, it's not like, listen, I don't drink. Like, you're not one of those people who drinks to make the shakes go away.

Like, yes, I'm not that much of an alcoholic. Right, right, right. Oh, so you're an alcoholic. No, no, no, no. You said that, not that much of an alcoholic. What? That much, I got it. I got it.

I got what you're saying. I see what you're doing. You're twisting my words. I'm not. And I like it Where's my beer? But you were hammered though on the on the Well no I mean I had I had like a day or so

Where I was like oh yeah no I could see it That was like yeah Being a little sloppy And I know that's kind of what they were going for Did they keep some of it though? Yeah Oh that's the thing because that's kind of like yeah And like I said like I'm not a method kind of person

You know but at the same time I was kind of like Well yeah like if you want me to be drunk like yes This is great. It's a great gig I get to be drunk at work kind of thing And they're like, yeah, a little much. I was like, dig it. You know, and then boom, like, it was no twisting my arm.

I'm kind of like, yeah, you're right. Like, I shouldn't, you know, yeah, yeah. And it was like, hey, dude. Yeah, just like, yeah, chillax. So what happened? You drink water the rest of the day? Coca-Cola, but yeah, yeah, yeah. So you exhausted the next day after that?

After all the cola? Yeah, ooh. Off of the drinking. Yeah, you know, I think, you know, well, there was one day where I had, like, one line where I got stoned. And I think there was another day where I drank a little bit years ago where I had, like, you know, three lines and you know nobody really knew but if I had a lot of stuff or anything I would never I couldn't I just I think I'd freak out but you that was that was an exception you know I mean like that's like that was like it's supposed to be drunk yeah exactly and it's hard to play a real drunk

that's what I kind of was going for you know and you know so like I said it wasn't like an ongoing thing it really kind of was just like like a like a you know a thing that happened like once essentially but uh when I did save there was one night we were working nights and like yeah and like I made sure I brought like a 12 pack for the for the cast like and they but you're also talking like you know a beer or two like when you're 22 like that's fine like you know I like I had a glass of wine when I was doing theater in London like I was like a glass of like two glasses of wine before a show but I'm like I never like would drink before like anything this like most recent one was an exception kind of thing like yeah and I was yeah I was going for it and like I think I was a little too much wind for it but at the same time I you know I do like what I was doing like I do like I like the final result and so forth, and I think he does too. So there was method to my madness. Why did you let me drink more? Yeah, no, no shit, but at the same time, like, you know, at the same time

there was a certain amount of feeling ashamed of myself, kind of going, oh man, like, you know, I'm an old school professional, and like, I should have been better about that kind of thing, and I should know, you know, like, yeah, so there was a little bit of that. Right. So you're a big wrestling fan? Yeah, big, yeah. I saw some stuff, you like threw some balls

out, all like Kevin McAllister on the ring. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a place called bar wrestling and it's like you know you show up to these things you know i showed up and they wanted to like do something so i said yeah sure it was last christmas season so it's like yeah cool and so we came up with a spot where like you know the evil tag tinks they're fighting a guy dressed as santa and stuff like that like and so like i rolled some balls in the ring and they slip over and then i threw a pink can in one of their faces and one guy threw you yeah he he because that was not planned i was like sitting on the second row no no but at the same time like he was like i'm going

launch you. Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah. You love it. I love it. And boom, he threw it. And, yeah, so I did a half-star frog splash. It was great. You know, and, yeah, it was good. It was good. So, and then also, like, I did a, they have, like, a thing, like, Radio Row at WrestleMania. It's, like, Media Day the day before. So I did that. And so got to interview, like, these names won't mean anything. They were, like, A.J. Stiles and Braun

Stroman and Paul Heyman and shit like that. Heroes to you. Well, just to go. I mean, they're, they're proper names in the business. And so I thumb wrestled all of them looking at it and things like that. So I have a video online on YouTube of like, yeah, me doing thumb. You lost, right? Oh, yeah, no, I did the job on all of them. Like, yes, I lost to everybody. I just did it again at the All In.

It was like kind of indie show in Chicago, but it was a big old one. So I went backstage and like all these like old school guys like a, you never really watched though. In the 80s like Brother Love. He's my favorite. Yeah, yeah. He used to say, Hulk Hogan, I love you. you, but that don't mean I like you. So thumb wrestled him.

Oh, brother of love. I had an autograph picture from him. You do. I saw Jim Duggan up there upstairs and work with Rowdy Roddy. Yeah, and Bruce Pritchard. Look, that's his real name. Routy, Roddy Piper, show me the sleeper hole. I got to put him to sleep.

Okay, tell me this. Yeah, have you told the story on the podcast before? What? This Roddy Piper one. No, I was doing this movie called kicking an old school. Yeah, because I know you told it to me at camp and I want to hear it. Yeah, well, you know, I was doing this movie kicking an old school. Didn't do very well.

In fact, one of the guys on the movie goes, and I love Jamie, I think he's genius, but Jamie Kennedy, I go, he goes, I don't know if I'm going to do another Jamie Kennedy movie, kidding around, and the guy goes, I don't think Jamie Kennedy's doing another Jamie Kennedy movie. Ooh, burn. I know, what a burn, but Routy, Routy Piper showed up on set.

And we started talking. He was just the most lovable dude. I cried when he died. Yeah, no, he was good people. And he got cut out of the movie, and they didn't even tell him he showed up to the premiere, and I think that's just low class. Yeah, that's low class.

But he goes, I go, the sleeper hold man is that really goes come here buddy let me show you and he goes come i'm not gonna hurt you i'll show you how to do and he put his arms around me and he just it's a it's a blood choke and i fell asleep he goes now you can do it to rowdy and i put my arms in the right place and he goes squeeze listen i'm gonna fall so don't let me fall and i squeezed and i just felt like his whole body just yeah oh oh i'm like there you do you put rowdy to sleep there you go it was awesome because it's not about the windpipe it's about the blood like Yeah, the blood flow.

It's a blood choke. You know, and like, yeah, it can happen in less than five seconds. Looking, yeah, yeah, so you know how to do a blood choke. Hey, let's do that right now. Let's do trust. Rob, come here. Hey, guys, let's play trust fall. Jesus.

You know, so, look, you've had an awesome career. We've talked about all that. I mean, the highs, the lows, the this and that. When the lows is as bad as people thought they were. No, no. Where they never, there was no heroin. Yeah, never did heroin in my life. That's all bullshit, right?

Yeah, no, honestly, one of the reason why I never did it, because I thought I'd really like it. Of course. If you get a heroin, you're probably going to like it. And they're like, oh, I'm probably going to like this, man. Like, you know, yeah. So, yeah, I never did that. I haven't always treated myself, like, you know, properly and all that kind of stuff. But, yeah, no, like, I mean.

You like to dabble. Yes, I, especially I used to dabble, like, you know, kind of more. Like, yeah, I like to kind of taste everything to a certain extent. Right. But, you know, there's certain times where, yeah, I didn't love myself. Like, you know, a lot of it was like a, um. What was causing all that? I, I, I hit a point where, you know, what's, what's,

What's worse than depression? Like, you know, when you wake up sad. Nothing. It's when you feel nothing, right? So that was the thing, is that I had that. Like, I had no appetite. Like, I love fucking eating, man. Like, you know, I've, you know, and it's like, next thing that food that I love didn't

even taste good anymore. You just weren't to sleep all the time? Yeah, fucking sleeping all the fucking time. I spent every, like, I'd spend like 12 hours a day in my bathtub, you know, like, that kind of thing. I sleep. Yeah. It's, I mean, you know, like, I've gone through that kind of stuff.

And so, like, I'm not, like, I'm not, like, I'm not living right. I'm not being active. I'm not really fucking eating. Do you exercise now? I used to and I kind of just like I fell off of it because I caught a worm when I was in Thailand. And so I was like, and honestly, it's only like recently I've started to kind of feel like normal. But it was like, yeah, like, you know, it was like a whole year. Even after I got rid of that sucker, like it took my body a little while to actually like in my stomach to kind of get used to like being normal.

I'm telling it's only like the last like month where I'm actually started kind of like shitting properly and feeling normal. So I'm about to kind of get back on the trolley a little bit. I mean, I, you know. You're getting near 40 now, Paul. Yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait from, I'm polyps in the cold. Polips in the cold. So, no, I can't wait until, like, yeah, I'm going to start feeling sore, you know.

So when you did, like, when you got busted for pot, which is not a big deal. It's pot and a bunch of Xanax and a bunch of this and that. Was it really that much stuff? No, I mean, look, I got an ounce of pot and I had a handful of. Zanders. It was like Xanax of like Kalanapan or something like that. I didn't even know what the fuck they were. Like, it was literally like a friend of mine.

It was like, I don't want these anymore. You want them? And I was like, yeah, okay. It wasn't even a lot of stuff. You got arrested. Nowadays, you wouldn't even get arrested for that show. And it was also a slow news day, too. So it was perfect, you know.

Actually, funny enough, fucking Eddie Furlong got arrested the exact same day for overturning a lobster tank. He's trying to free the lobsters from a, from a supermarket. And I'm like, yeah, so he was really lucky that he got arrested the same day as me. Because, again, nobody talks about that. Nobody cared about the lobster. Nobody cared about the baby. But was jail shitty?

Did you go to jail for a night? No, no, no, no, no. So you really didn't go to jail or anything? No, no. like listen they counted how much like cash we had on us because me and my buddy like to the dollar and like that's what bail was set out kind of thing like you know yeah so no it really it really was a bit of a shakedown kind of thing and like we were stupid enough to have something in the car did it scare you did it make you change your way or did you like no I went oh lame

like that's really what like I kind of just like it was kind of just like it was kind of just like I kind of just like I kind of just like I was kind of just like I wasn't like I wasn't crying over it and I wasn't panicking. Well, does your mom call you up? Does she worry about you? Does she say what happened? No, no, she's... Are you guys tight still? Yeah, no, we're good.

Look, you know, yeah, look, yeah, yeah, exactly. Actually, I, I, I, got to call you back. Sorry, she called me last night. I was sleeping. I haven't called her back yet. Wait, well, this airs in three weeks, it's going to be more than that yet. I know, I know, but still, honestly, it'll probably, like, it'll probably be the exact same situation.

Like, you know, I'm like, I'm, sorry. I kind of talk to my mom here and there. Yeah. It's just like, you do what you want to do. Yeah, yeah, you know, I think I have some siblings that, like, talked to her every single day. But no, dad. You don't talk to that. No, no, I haven't talked to him since I was like, uh, it's probably been about 23 years, something like that.

And you don't even miss him. At this point, it's, no, no, no, it's the way it's supposed to be. That's the way it's supposed to be. Does he ever try to reach out to you? Uh, not really, no. I think he tried, like, about 20 years ago, 18 years ago, something like that. Look, it's the way it's supposed to be. Like, you know, I'm, I'm pleased with the results.

Is it just you or your siblings, too? I think everyone, like, I haven't really gone into it too much with, like, a lot of them. For them, it's kind of just like, listen, if you choose to have a relationship with your father, like, that's totally fine with me. Like, just because I have my, like, kind of hang-ups or, like, you know, like, I don't do that. Like, you know, it's not a matter whether I agree or disagree with what you're deciding to do with your life. Right. And, like, what you're doing with your family members, just like, yeah, no, like, you know, God bless everybody kind of thing. You know, like, yeah, so, like, if that's what you want, like, you know, you need to figure it out what your dad.

like cool you figure out what your dad like in the meantime like I'm I'm cool like I I have peace with the situation you know see that's healthy you are healthy in a lot of ways I try to be man I mean do you get anxiety do you get like uh you have fears you get depression still balance of that do you not really no therapy uh no no in like no real depression or anything like that uh sometimes I will like in like a because I used to have a bit of agoraphobia like literally a fear going outside fear of people yeah exactly because you know it can be really tricky, you know, especially when you're teenage McCauley Colkin is a little fucking tricky, you know, so when you still haven't figured all this kind of shit out and everything like that.

So, you know, I still get it sometimes in large kind of groups. Even in freaking like camp, there was a certain kind of like, like, all right, a couple people are trying to be friend, like a little too friendly with me. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, kind of just like, yeah, like this is a natural. Yeah, we went to a summer camp, McCauley and I. Camp no counselors. Camp no counselors.

And we had a blast. And, you know, McCauley did his podcast. there and he did some fun things. What would you mostly enjoy about camp? I mean, I love doing the relay stuff. That was fun. That was fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did four legs of it, man.

I was fucking exhausted. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we did the people carry. I did the basketball thing. I did the human pyramid and then the slip and slide, like flip, you know, so that's four, that's four events. But you enjoyed yourself. Yeah, no, I had a good time. I was sore as shit. Like, you know, I was like, you were your first exercise.

You don't say your exercise. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, no, my entire right side just seized up. Like, yeah, like, that was, you saw me the next morning. you were just like wow like yeah i'm going home i'm going i'm done i'm done i'm not even same for breakfast girlfriend's driving yeah yeah no i'm i'm i'm hunched over it hurts to breathe okay like but it was uh it was good stuff it was good stuff no uh i had a good time with that whenever it was a safe kind of environment or like what i perceived of as kind of like safe

for people that like i knew or liked like yeah that i was that stuff was great like yeah so sometimes strangers get to me you know like yeah uh do you want anything about it other than just walk away i usually just disconnect from that kind of thing and like How do you do that? Well, I just, I can feel it coming for the most part. And so it's like, yeah, like, no, it's time for me to, you know, I'll say something like, I'll, I'll, I'm going to excuse myself. You know, it's like, oh, I need to, oh, you know, I have to get, you just get a little uncomfortable. I need to charge my phone.

I need to go to the bathroom, like, you know, whatever. Like, you know, I just excuse, you know, just. You act your way out of it. Yeah, yeah. Well, I try to do the, I'm, I'm, I'm the king of Irish goodbyes, you know, yeah. Just like, you just don't say, you just don't say goodbye. You just leave. There goes my call.

Yeah, there you go. Like, oh, it looks like, we'll never see him again. Never seen or heard from again. Like all the guest cast from a save by the bell. There's like, yeah, everything's like, oh, Jesse's brother, never seen or heard from again. Like you click on any of those articles they all end with, never seen her heard from again. What do you do the most enjoyable thing you do? What's something you just really love doing?

Love being. What makes you happy? I mean, like, listen, I like, I like being a good man. You know, I feel good, like about treating my lady good. and like, you know, in our silly animals and things like that. You know, I'm pretty, pretty easy. Okay, I'm, I like a lot of the stuff I've been doing lately, like even with just like the website and all that kind of stuff

where it's like I like... Being creative. Yeah, seeing the result, like the fruits of these labors. Like, you know, and just like, yeah, like, you know, just something that starts off as just a seed of an idea growing, you know, a little acorn growing into a mighty oak. Like, I like that kind of stuff. And like, you know, like that stuff has been.

very, very fruitful and pleasing as well. I'm a man of simple pleasures. I mean, I like to eat well. I drink well. I shit well. Like, you know, like, I mean, that's what I'm talking about. I kiss well. It's good, man, like, and it seems like you just, you know what you want. And you're not afraid to do something where I think a lot of, I'm probably a victim

of this too, where I'll do something going, but should I do this? Because people, people's perception of me is going to be a certain way. I don't feel like you do that at all. You're like, I'm going to do that. And if people say, fuck, it would happen. What is he doing? then so be it. Yeah, short of it being a really close loved one,

I actually really don't care what other people think. You really don't. Yeah, yeah. And you learn that probably a long time ago. Yeah, that's why I stayed out of social media for so long. It's just like, I don't really care, like, you know, like I don't read comments or anything like that. Like it's, you know, social media is a one-sided conversation anyway.

Like, it's a way to talk at people. And so, like, I mean, I think that works like in a certain kind of capacity. Like when it comes to promotional kind of things or like that kind of stuff, like, hey, go check out my band. we're playing Friday and yada yada that makes sense yeah yeah that's a that's a when you interact to talk at people right yeah yeah it's not that i don't care about people like you know but it's like i really care about their or their opinions i just don't care about their opinions about me right like yeah listen i'm not i'm not drowning babies or anything like that like yeah i'm you know i'm i'm i'm i'm

i'm a good man what do you want what do you want to do what do you see yourself doing in the just doing what you're doing is there something in particular would you do uh do you ever watch your old movies. Do you ever laugh at like and enjoy what you did and your achievements? Yeah, I mean, I never actively put them on. But like, you know, they're on. Like, okay, like, sure. Like, you know, like, about the same time I saw Home Alone, like, geez,

uh, four years ago, but it was the first time in about like 10 something years since I had seen it and stuff. Like I don't actively kind of pursue that. I mean, like, look, you know, like five years ago, I never were to sell myself in a pizza band and the next thing I was like, I'm touring for like two fucking years doing that kind of like that kind of silliness. Like, you know, like same thing with like the, um, the bunny ears website like yeah i would never have seen myself like necessarily doing that like you know

four or five years ago uh something about podcast or whatever like i know i know enough about myself to know that i don't know who i'm going to be i mean you know uh people change so much and i know like yeah i'm you know uh every was it every seven years you're biologically a different person your cells turnover like all that kind of stuff like that on a on a biological level you're completely all the cells that were in you seven years ago are not the same sense that were in you seven years ago are not the same cells that you have in your body right now. So yeah,

no, so every day on my, every, uh, every, uh, birthday I look back seven years and look at kind of what that person was and what he wanted or what he thought he wanted and all this kind of things.

Like, you know, so I, I know I change enough. Like, you know, um, uh,

uh, yeah, kind of, but it's not like a proper like kind of journal. It's like, you know, my, my top 15 favorite quotes from the Charlie Sheen interview, you know,

or, yeah, yeah, my favorite quotes from Jack Burton, you know, yeah, or, Yeah, like just, you know

Questions from some people Here to end this thing At Isaac underscore Alguilar 40 If you could do a movie with any person Living or Dead, who would it be? Oh, but I should pick something Like completely impossible. That would be great.

Yeah, let's go with like Heath Ledger But also like honestly I'd love to do a Wes Anderson thing Like that I think that would actually be a relatively good fit I think he's fit in that Yeah, yeah He's fit in that world I think I'd fit in that world. And, yeah, I'm a huge fan of his stuff.

At Kyle and Farrow. He listens to this podcast. Yeah, cool. All right. Yeah, they're good. Hey, what's up, Wes? At Kyle and Farrow, has there ever been someone you've looked up to that disappointed you more than once?

No, I really don't look up to people. I mean, you know, besides, like, you know, Shaq is pretty tall. But, yeah, no, I don't aspire to, like, be things. You know, I kind of just, I'm, it took me long enough to figure out how to just be, like, just, you know, just, M. Yeah. So, like, no. no like not really i mean i'm i you know no at evgiv what goes through your head when someone

recognizes you then slaps their cheeks and screams uh honestly like at this point and kind of like oh okay yeah no i never seen that before i mean that's really that's really what i'm like okay cool like that i i listen i already i've already accepted the fact that that's a rest of my life kind of thing you know so but at the same time's going yeah great like great original yeah no great like okay cool like you know you did that like because most people think that's they're going to be really cool. I mean, a celebrity.

Like no one's ever done that. I'm going to be really cool and we're going to be friends and stuff like that. And then in the moment, they panic and they do something really stupid usually. And so like somebody like that, I'm like, oh man,

like you're not being your best self, are you? At Test the Great, when is he doing a pay-per-view fight with Devonsawa? When he races enough on his GoFundMe page. By the way, guys, check out Devin Salas' go-fund me page set up by bunnyhears.com.

Check it out, fellas. At things this week, who's your favorite Muppet? Oh, I was always a Kermit guy, but... Can you do any impressions? No. Kermit D. Frog. That's not bad.

That's all right, yeah. I love Gonzo, too. I'm, you know, I'm an old-school, old hat kind of guy. I like the classics. At S TV Motorcycles, which films do you watch at Christmas? Oh, Christmas vacation. Oh, Christmas vacation. There you look the words right out of my fucking mouth.

The funniest movie ever. That's another John Huser, too. Right? Yeah, yeah, people forget about that. What's your favorite quote in that movie? Oh, my God. Just, I don't know. What is yours?

Buy me some time. What's yours? Mine's probably like, uh, shit. Fingers full. The chitters, honey. Clark, he's only here for a short time. Eddie? I wouldn't be more surprised if I look up my head with son of the carpet.

Eddie? Eddie? People forget also that John Hughes did the Vegas vacation one, too, which is underrated. Yeah, I kind of enjoyed that. That was kind of fun. Yeah, no, honestly, I kind of liked it, like, you know, when I first thought. I didn't want to like it for Rusty for Nick Papa Giorgio from Yuma. Uh-huh.

Yeah, yeah. Auditioned for it. He's an memory. Actually, so they had those Abdu shootings in Paris And so there was curfews Like in Paris Like the first one since World War II

So I was stuck in my apartment Couldn't leave at night So I just did it I don't do a movie marathon Of like late 90s movies So I watched Vegas vacation I watched that thing you do I watched Can't Hardly Wait

Colin Hanks that thing you do And then in general I realize I'm doing an Ethan Embry A marathon I was like Ethan Embry was in all those movies And I was like oh cool Oh, wow.

Yeah, yeah, he's across the board. I'm like, I did an accidental Ethan Embry a marathon. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, Nick Papa Georgia from Yuma loves it. Well, this has been fantastic. By the way, what's your handle? Your Twitter is... Oh, I'm at Incredible Coke on the Twitters and at Coca-Mania on the Instagram.

So, yeah, you can hear that wrestling in... And Bunny Years? Yeah, Bunny Years pod. It's on iTunes, everywhere, Spotify, maybe. Yeah, yeah. And, yeah, you should, yeah, check it out. It's probably different probably by the time you hear this. which is good.

Yeah, right? Yeah, and yeah, no, check out all our stuff. Go to bunnyeers.com because it's a lifestyle website in the best way possible. You know, and lastly, I mean, I'm not going to, I got to bring this up. In a way, it's like, I just want to know, you know, your relationship with Michael Jackson?

It was like a... Ambush me. I'm not going to ambush you. But before I leave, I just wanted to say, what are your thoughts ultimately about it? Because, like, you know, you've heard the whole thing. I just watched a lot of things about him. I think, you know, somebody once reflected and said,

you know what michael went through as a child he had to grow up so fast that he related to what you went through as a child and i think he mean in a way he was trying to protect you yeah i mean that i got something it was kind of profound did you feel that's yeah he reached he reached out to me because yeah because a lot of things were happening like you know big and fast with me and i think yes i think he identified with that i mean at the end of the day it you know it's it's almost easy to try to say oh it was like weird or whatever and but it wasn't because it made sense like we were we were legitimate like here's the thing at the end of the day we were friends in the most simple and he was a child in many ways too he didn't get but also like we were just like it's it's like

one of my friendships that people question only because of the fact that he was the most famous person in the world like you know that you know like I'm friends you know we're friendly you know I mean and the more people wouldn't question that because we're friends because we're in the same age you don't you don't have you don't have to explain that also you don't have to explain your friendships to people like I mean seriously how many friendships have you had to really explain to people not many. That's what I'm saying. Like, you know, it's just like, I think maybe do you think the age gap is probably why they question. Yeah. Why would an older man? Why want to, but only you would know. Because I, what I said in the very beginning is I was a peerless person. You know, I was like, yeah, like, nobody else in my Catholic school even had like even like this much idea of what I was going through, you know, or what I, and like, he was a kind of person who's like, yeah, been through the exact same freaking thing and wanted to make sure that like I wasn't alone in that kind of, you know. Was he fun? He was fucking awesome. He was hilarious. He was hilarious. he was sweet and like yeah no people people who know how funny he fucking was yeah i envy you that

he liked prank calling people he actually was really good with his voice obviously michael jackson would prank call and with you you'd call some people yep what would he say he always i can't do his voices because obviously he was good with his voice but he go like no no no he's like how are you and like yeah he's like i'm good like hi you know do how many mattresses in your mattress store like you know and it was like yeah no and he could do a really good like no he was he was fucking hilarious. Like, people, I mean,

he was charming, fucking funny, silly, like, yeah. And here's the thing is that, again,

when it goes back to something else I was saying was that I really didn't actually give a shit about famous people because I,

like, I was thoroughly unimpressed by them. So when I first met, I'm like, okay, cool, you're just that guy. Oh, that guy who sang songs.

Like, cool. Great. Yeah. I, you know, like, I sing songs in school. That's great.

So, anyway, like, you know, but can I hang out with you? probably not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, right?

I think that's one of the reasons also why we got along is that, like, everyone's always thoroughly impressed by him. And so the fact there was somebody who was kind of just, like, treated him like a normal person. It was kind of just like, yeah, like it was that simple. Was that like, he seems like a very, like the most generous person. Yeah, he was generous. He was gentle.

Do you still have any gifts that he might have given you? Uh, probably somewhere in the back of my house, you know, but yeah, look. Give you a birthday gift. Happy birthday. Yeah, exactly. Look, yeah, that's what I mean. For me, it's, it's so normal and mundane. Like, you know, I know, I know it's a big.

deal to everyone else. But like for me, it's like, yeah, it was a normal, like, you know, it was a normal friendship. He's, you just come to the Jackson Halloween party. I'm going on friends with Taj. He's, uh, I know, Taj. Yeah, good guys. I've met him before. Yeah. Yeah, I play in their softball. Softball. I used to play Broadway softball. So there you go. Broadway softball. Yeah. There's a, there's a, there's a, there's, really, uh, athletic and Broadway softball? No, it's a, I remember one time it was raining. And, uh, so we're talking about doing a rain delay kind of thing. And I get out there, like, you know, on the field, and, you know, just getting range on.

I go, are we men? Are we in musical theater? And they're louder. And everyone goes, musical theater. Cool, games called. That's great. And that was it? That was it.

That's game, game what got called that week. Oh, dude. This has been a real treat for me. Yeah. And I was a little nervous because I was like, you know, I know, you and I met, you know, I was like, trying to explain. I was like, he's just a great guy. You're just a good.

You are like, you talk about Michael being a dude. And it's just like, it's a friendship. That's how I feel. felt like I felt instantly comfortable with you from the podcast to go into camp and not showing you my dong, but being in my, being my towel and farting. Dong adjacent. I felt like I could just do anything. You're not going to judge me.

I felt like you're not someone who judges. You just do your thing. Yeah, man. If I judge you, I wouldn't be here, man. Ha ha ha, yeah. Well, you know, it's funny is I, I remember after you were on your way out and, you know, your girlfriend was driving and you said, hey, dude, when am I doing your podcast? You're just a genuine dude.

Yeah. I like you too I mean like yeah no listen I wouldn't have offered or I wouldn't be here yeah no listen what about Rob though Rob Rob's okay Rob reminds me of someone I don't know exactly who it is

picked on you in campus school The corporate guy from the office What was his name? Michael Jackson Michael Scott No no no no The corporate like Michael Bolton No no no no you're thinking office space Oh yeah yeah I'm thinking about the office

Okay yeah it's uh we should know that We just had Stephen Merchant on the show. Oh, cool. Yeah, he's great. He's tall and lanky, ain't he? Yeah, and smart as hell. He studied literature and shit. David Wallace.

McCauley Calkin, thank you for allowing me to be inside of you. Yes, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being inside of me. Yeah. Yeah, all right. That's great. This is great. All right, cool.

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