Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Mandalorian’s MING-NA WEN: Beating Dual Minority Relegation

Episode Date: October 5, 2021

Ming-Na Wen (The Mandalorian, Mulan) joins us this week to discuss what it’s like for her to be a dual minority working on major franchises such as Disney, Star Wars, Marvel, Street Fighter, and more! Ming-Na talks about her early childhood development and transitioning from China to New York and how that influenced her acting. We discuss working on the Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, and how much she nerds out on the different opportunities she’s had the pleasure of working on. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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great things to Patreon. It's become a big family. A lot of people have made friends on it. So many people have become friends. friends and uh anyway that's a lot of fun and i will be at the motor city con with tom welling we're doing a smallville nights so get your tickets go to motor city con and uh that is uh october like the weekend of the 15th whatever that is cool yeah so that'll be fun it's always fun to do a convention with tom and you know meet fans and um all that stuff do smallville nights act out scenes um Today's guest, Ming Na Wen, I mean, you know her from the Mandalorian.

She's Fenwick Shand. I believe she's on the Boba Fett series that's coming out. She's so open and honest, and I really like how she opened up, and I wasn't sure she would. So thank you, Ming, you are amazing, and I love having you on the podcast. She talks about meeting Mr. Rogers when she was on Mr. Rogers show and doing soap operas and Street Fighter and Mulan and she's done just about everything you can imagine and she's really fascinating and I think you're going to enjoy this. So let's just dive into it. Let's get inside Ming Na Wen. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum.

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Mingna when now. Hello. Mingna when now. Haven't heard that one before. Damn. Mingna when never. What have you not heard?

Give me three that you've heard. What? Of Mingna when? Or just how people have effed your name up. Oh, Ming-Nay? Like, really? Like, do you call Tina? Do you call Donna, Madonna, Madonna.

Donne. I mean, come on. It's so stupid. Ming-Nay. What are the ones? Oh, Nguyen. Of course, I get that. Oh, Ms. Now-Wen. Oh, yeah. You don't like it. You don't like when people mess your name up. Well, I mean, you get used to it, you know. Yeah. Rosenbaum, come on. Huh? Rosenbaum. I heard so much shit when I was a kid. Rosenbaum, Raisin Brand, Rosenboom, Boom, Rosie Palm. But see, like, my name, it's spelled exactly. exactly the way it sounds. Yeah. Ming Na Wen. Yeah. Rosenbaum. I mean, unless there's an accent over the A, people could say me.

I mean, the only name that shouldn't be pronounced correctly is your first name. Michael. Michael. Because it's not spelled in any way, shape, or form the way it sounds. That's true. If you really look at it. It's like Michaei'i'el. Michaea, in Spanish, in Spanish, I think it's Mikhail.

Okay, people are probably tuning out now. Where are you, by the way? I am in the only room currently in my house that I, that's not been broken into. I'm in the middle of a massive remodel. Right. I mean, are you in New York? Oh, that. I mean, which room are you?

Literally. Everybody's in her back room. Oh, that's great. I meant where, like New York, right? No, I'm in L.A. You're in L.A. Well, why don't you just come here? Because I don't have to travel. I was literally moving boxes and furniture and all sweaty like an hour ago.

Oh, it's so nice in person. So I just jump into a shower, blow dry my hair, threw on a little lip gloss, and then meet you. See? I couldn't do that if I travel. Well, I've had the pleasure of meeting you many times. Yes. We met at the cons. We always have a laugh.

are really like, I don't want to say a dude, but you're like so cool that anybody can come up to you and you could just, you throw whatever right back at them. You just got this quick energy about you. Well, okay. Is your husband kind of the straight one and you're kind of like he, you know, you're the. It depends on, it depends on the situation. It really does. Because he could do stand up, really, if he wanted to. Really? Why? Why do you think he's that funny? Oh, yeah. He's, he's very funny. That's one of my requirements is you have to be funny. Well, how long have you known him? How long have you been married? We've been married, oh, be 90. I have to count over 25, let me say. Because I love how you say, that's my requirement,

like you get married every two years. It's not a requirement. You've been together for 25 years. Like, well, we've been together for 28, maybe. What year is it? Almost 30. Did he hit on you? Just 28, I guess. Did he hit on you or did you hit on him? No, it was the strangest, we met in the strangest way.

Literally, it was because of Joylet Club. They were doing a special screening of Joyla Club in L.A. And I had just come out just to try out what L.A. was like because I was in New York. worker. And I don't know why I didn't ask my agents at the time for car service to take me to the screening. Right. And, you know, back in those days, you don't have GPS. You don't have cell phones. You don't have, you know, you remember the Thomas guides? Oh, yes. I still, I never could read those. You never could read them. Okay. So, um, I, I didn't, I didn't know where to go, really and you know it's not like new york where you hail a cab and you just jump in and you go somewhere

there was no uber really back in those days so i called up the people that i knew and one of them was my acting teacher from carnegie mellon and um he said i can't take you let me find a nice chinese boy to take you is what he really said it was like well he doesn't have to be chinese like literally he was setting me up wow well he was he was my what is it what do they do tinder what what i guess tinder or uh raya or bumble or what's the other one whatever yeah so he was that for for me so you got hooked up and like how did he charm you well he was driving you around right yeah well he was driving me to a screening and he thought i was like an extra because like why would somebody need a ride from a total stranger?

Right. And so we get to the theater and all my other girlfriends, the other actresses, you know, from the movie, I hadn't seen them in a while. So we all wanted to have dinner because we had already seen the movie a couple of times. So I ushered him off with the public. I'm like, okay, go enjoy the movie. I'll see you after. And he was literally my ride. And you didn't think he was cute or anything. You weren't even thinking like that.

I didn't find him that attractive. All my other girlfriends found him very attractive. Because for me in my mind, I literally thought he was just a dude that was giving me a ride to the theater. I was very New York. I was a total New Yorker, you know? And then we got together and, you know, ended up talking for like three, four hours. So you ended up marrying your driver, falling in love with your driver. Yeah

I met him And he was a sweet guy Good looking man Thank you And I met him at a convention He went with you to a convention Does he not Does he enjoy the conventions

Or does he choose to stay at home? No, I did not marry a geek Surprisingly I mean So opposites attract You know Opposites attract Yeah he really

He, he, he's patient, but he doesn't really get into all this stuff. How do you feel? How do you feel about cons? How long have you been doing cons and how do you feel about them? Well, you know who, who introduced me to cons is, oh my gosh, I'm so tired and dehydrated that why am I blanking out on? Who introduced? I remember general, adopt.

Um, um... Who? Oh, my God. Who introduced you? Osmo. I mean, oh, my God. Wait, say it again. That's hilarious.

People like this shit. This is fun. Oh, my God. I am so having a senior moment. You're great. You're, you look fantastic. You're doing great. This is, this is, uh, you just being you, having fun.

Edward, James. almost almost he's going to kill me no he's not he's not going to listen to this first of all i'm so i'm so funny well anyways um adama i'm just going to say general adama because obviously that's all i associate him with battle star right at a con right right that's what he played um we met at a con and he brought this up and you know about well do you do cons and i'm I'm like, I don't want to do cons. It just feels weird, you know, to, like, sign autographs and take pictures and have people pay for it. But then he's like, well, do you pay for a concert?

And I'm like, yeah. He's like, well, no one's putting a gun to their heads, you know? It's like, for them, it makes their day. And for you, you know, you get to connect them, connect with them in a different way. Yeah. And you just started doing it. I think that's what happened to me. I didn't know what to expect.

And then when you go there, I was always what you call the geek. I was always the guy who went to conventions to get autographs and get toys and things like that. And so when I was able, when they asked me to go, I was like, really, I'm going to do this? I can't believe I was nervous that they, you know, I couldn't imagine anyone showing up to get my autograph. And it was pretty fascinating. And then I felt like they're here because this is a vacation to them. They're taking the weekend off to see. see all the people that they enjoy to buy to cosplay it's just like we did like yeah it's just

it's so much fun so i i totally get it and now you've been doing it for how many of you done you've probably done a hundred no no i know but you've done a lot i've done a lot but not a hundred and do you like them i love them i love them i love being able to like be with the fans and the craziest thing is when they cry in front of you. Tell me about this. Like you're the Beatles or something. And it's this moment of, wow, I've made some impact on certain people's lives. That's kind of cool, you know.

Have you ever cried back? Were you ever touched where you cried or you teared up? Yeah, yeah. Do you remember what it was? There were several. So there was this one gentleman who actually gave me a very special necklace. And it was like a Greek coin.

And it's sort of like it protects you and gives you strength and power and confidence. And I was like, no, no, no, you can't give that to me. That's for you because it meant so much to him because it's given him so much that sense of confidence and, you know, because we're all geeks and we're all like introverts, really. So, and I was like, no, no, no, you can't give this to me.

And he's, you know, he started crying. He's like, no, what you've done in your, you know, as Mulan, as, you know, all these characters has really been so impactful. And I started crying because he was just, so, yeah, I treasured that necklace. And the coins for confidence? Yeah, it's like confidence and strength that gives you. Could I have the coin? Sure. I could use some of them.

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and now The Book of Boba Fat and ER and it goes on and on and on and you don't look old enough to have done all this shit first of all. But you're in the Marvel universe of Star Wars Stargate. I mean, you're kind of living the dream in a bit. I mean, you're living my dream. What does it feel like to have done all this stuff?

Yeah, I don't know. I pinch myself every day. I don't. I mean, I'm just, just always so thankful for all of it. Is that how you go about that? It really shouldn't happen to, well, you know, the double minority, right?

Asian, woman. And now, you know, ageism. I mean, it shouldn't be happening, like, really, to someone like me who had to learn a second language, you know, coming from a different country. Like, if it's any, if it means, means anything to anyone, because it means so much to me, but if it means anything to anyone that you can achieve and fulfill your dreams, it's that, you know, just, it's truly like

the American dream story. It is the American dream story. It's just a great dream. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's amazing. You deserve it all. It's kind of crazy. I really, It's still, it's sort of like an out-of-body experience, and I can't explain it any other way. Like, every time I look at pictures, you know, you go to work as a professional, right? You go to work, it's your job, you've got to. I mean, I geek out for about five, ten minutes when I'm on set because there's always these new toys, you know, and these new images. And so I'm always like a kid in a candy store just going crazy. And then I got to remind myself, oh, wait, well, Temo, Temuero, he'll remind me.

Well, it's, you know, what's amazing to me is that, I mean, I look at the story and you were born in, is it Macau? Mm-hmm. And Macau, that's not too far from Hong Kong. And your parents divorced at a young age and you moved to Hong Kong with your mom and your brother. Right. I mean, that's the beginning of the story. And already it sounds like how did all this happen? with your life right you know what i mean i mean how was it did you was it tough as a kid growing up i mean

was your father present at all or was it just mom and brother i mean he came to visit us i keep hitting this poll um he came to visit with us every so often but um yeah it's hmm i don't remember him very much I did meet up with him again because when I was in my 30s, I felt like, you know what, I really should try to, because I kept his last name. I'm the only member in my family that kept when, which is my real father's last name. When my mother remarried to my stepfather, who I consider my true father, for some reason, they didn't bother to change my last name to his, which was Yi, Y, Yi, so I could have been Mingna Yi. or Ms. Na Yi. Good throwback. Good callback there.

I don't know. I mean, I mean, how weird. Like, my mom just forgot. I don't know. I really don't. Maybe it was expensive. Maybe to change a name was like too costly. And she's like, screw this.

I mean, my older brother changed his last name, like, after college because of the business. My parents ran a restaurant. Chinese, by the way. In Pittsburgh, right? In case you're wondering, it was a Chinese restaurant. A Chinese restaurant. In Pittsburgh. In Pittsburgh.

Right, right. Yeah. So, I don't know. It's like I was the only when growing up. Wow. It is odd. It is odd. So I think part of me probably wanted to get back in touch with him.

And how old were you when you got back in touch with him? Like, I was in my 30s. And you read. out to him. Yeah. And I felt really bad because Michaela was around two. So he kept looking at Michaela like Michaela was me, my daughter. Right.

And I felt really bad, but I mean, literally, you know, he was the biological father. I hate to say it, but I really didn't have any connection to him. You didn't really feel anything? No. I felt sorry that his life ran a course that, you know, made things difficult for my mom, but I don't know. Yeah, was your mom upset? I'll leave her out of it.

You'll leave her out of it. That speaks volume. You know, the Chinese, we don't like to really lay out our dirty laundry. Well, it's just, you know, it's kind of like what happened, and it's life, and it's interesting. And a lot of people have those journeys where they don't know their father that well. they don't know their mother and they grow up and how hard that is for them and did you have a normal childhood no oh how is this dysfunctional as hell i mean my parents i mean i love them i've learned to just they accept them for who they are and you know i love them and i think they they try but uh you know

it's uh it was difficult there was a lot of dysfunction in the family but you know my dad didn't leave he said i stayed there for you kids how unscarred you are I love how you laugh. I love how you laugh right after that because you know that I'm scarred. It's like you already know me. Let me ask you this. I mean, we're not in this business

because we're sane. Because we're normal. We're not normal. We're not normal. No, we're not. What, I mean, how you move to Hong Kong and what makes you start to think I want to be an actress?

I don't know. My mom said I always wanted to be, I mean, she saw it in the stars, like, or in my nose or something. She reads faces. Do you know the Chinese? We read faces. No, tell me about that. So there are people who look at your face.

Yeah. And they'll look at your, you know, the shape of your lips and your eyes. And they're able to sort of predict certain things about your future. So for me, apparently my nose. your nose was it i was destined for the arts i have an artistic nose so you have a great nose thank you yeah it's mine it's yours that's that's good i i should probably get something done with mine but i'm not going to do but did mom in so mom influenced that she did she take you to acting class as a young girl no she did everything she could to dissuade me from the arts yeah wait a minute

Even though she was the one who thought you should be an actress. Do you know with Asian moms, you know, like any sort of like music, acting, drawing, writing, those are hobbies. They're not to become a profession that you make a living off of. So, yeah. And of course, like for her, all the horrible stories that she's heard about actresses, having to sleep their way to the top.

You know, she didn't want me to... Too late, Mom. No. I did it all. I did it, Mom. I'm on top of the world. Jeez. No, so, yeah, so she did everything to dissuade me.

So what did you do? It was like the first thing you remember doing that you wanted, that you took an acting class or what was it that got you going? An Easter place. play in an Easter play and what do you who did you play do you even remember I think I was like thumpy thumpy yes a rabbit did you sing no I came on stage and tripped and fell and everybody laughed were you supposed to trip and fall no but I still enjoyed the reaction so much so that I was like oh this is what I want to do so I want to make I want to make people laugh

So after the show, you tripped and fell, and then you said, mom, this is, I want to act more. And she's like, you tripped and fell. You were terrible. What was it? That kept you going. And so that applause, that applause, that laughter got you to the next thing. So what was the first thing where it's like she started to allow you to start, you started doing this more and more? Because you moved soon after, right?

You didn't live in Hong Kong that long. No, no, no. My mom met my father, my stepfather. And then we moved to New York and then moved to Pittsburgh. And when you moved to Pittsburgh, that's when things started happening. And I had a very heavy New York accent. No, you did not. Oh, yes, I did.

Because I learned English in New York, Queens of all places. You talked with a really, because I was born in Long Island. If I'm drunk or angry enough, it sometimes comes out. Let me hear something. Like water, you know, go get me some water. Oh, my God. Gosh. Yeah, I had a very heavy.

How did you lose that by going to Pittsburgh? Carnegie Mellon, my dear. Carnegie Mellon voice class. Yes, voice and speech class. You are in Mr. Rogers' neighborhood. Yeah. I mean, do you remember it at all? Do you remember Fred Rogers?

You know what's so sad is that I remember everything, and the fact that we didn't have cell phones back then and I didn't bring a camera is. it was it just breaks my heart because it was incredible to be on that set. I don't know how to turn this thing off, so you're going to hear that every so often, sorry. But how, there's probably a switch on the side of the phone. Is it a phone?

No, it's the computer. Oh. So what was it like that you remember being on set of Mr. Rogers' neighborhood? Well, first of all, Mr. Rogers. What I say? He's exactly the way you see him. I mean, just sweet, kind, quiet, soft-spoken. And I thought he was a little crazy at first

because I would hear him behind the castle, King Friday's Castle, like talking to himself. What was he saying? But I didn't realize he was just running the lines with his puppets. Oh, right, right, right. How old are you? I was in college.

Wait a minute. You're on Mr. Rogers and you're in college? Yes. They needed some trumpeteers. And so me and two of my classmates volunteered and we got to do it. And you, wow. So you have a vivid memory. I thought, I was like, wow, I can't believe she remembers all this. She was a young kid. You were not a kid. No, I was 18 years old. And I thought Mr. Rogers was crazy. like I literally'm like he's talking to himself a lot back there did he really talk so slowly and sweetly and calmly

yes yeah it it was incredible yeah to be on that set yeah and how many things had you done by 18 years old before you went to Carnegie Mellon were you already doing plays in high school I already had my equity card really and his mom still trying to dissuade you at this moment in time no she takes all the credit. Now she takes all the credit. I mean back then when you were 18, is she like still trying to say. No, as soon as I got into Carnegie Mellon and she knew that that was a very, because you know, it's Pittsburgh. It's one of Pittsburgh's most prestigious college. Right. So when I got into Carnegie Mellon, then she realized like, oh, well, first she was like, oh, American school is so easy.

because she didn't think that you could get a degree in acting I thought you were going to say because my daughter got in yeah well she got in for acting so she thought that that's the easiest thing

it's a lot of work but it's like she cannot believe that this prestigious university gives out degrees for acting So you started doing a lot of plays And she would come see you

Mom would come and support you Yeah, yeah And did she see the talent? Did she say you're good? No No She never said, Ming, you're amazing No

Really? Is that just not Is it the culture or is that just mom? It's mom. Yeah, it's mom. Has she always been? But now she, you know, now she says I've gotten, I've improved tremendously. Is that what she tells you?

You've improved after all these years? Yeah. Like when Moulon and Joy Luck Club came out, then she was like overwhelmed, you know. But before then, she just, she was worried for me. Do you ever bring her on set? Yes. How does she like that?

She, she tries to understand, you know, Like, I mean, she's very, but it's almost like an alien world to her, you know? So, I don't know. It's, I mean, it's almost like, I mean, you've brought your friends or your relatives to the set. They're bored. After an hour, they're like, are you doing this scene again? Right? Oh, my God.

Like, they're excited for like 10, 15 minutes, and then they're excited about craft service. And then, like, they watch you for the first. first two takes. And then by the fifth one, they're just like, oh, damn, I got to go. Yeah, they're like acting sucks. It's boring. Yeah, exactly. Did you, were there a lot of Asian Americans at Carnegie Mellon in the acting program?

No, I was one of the first few ones, yeah, that actually got in and graduated, I think, too. Did you get roles that weren't Asian that they were going to give you a chance at? Were you given that opportunity to do plays and. roles that were written for white people or whatever? No, not really. In fact, I had to go in and have had a conversation with the guy that hooked me up with Eric going back, Mel Shapiro. He was actually the head of the department.

He wasn't just one of the teachers. But he was the head of the department at Carnegie Mellon. And I literally in my junior, no, senior, in my senior year, I was like, you know, Mel, listen, my mom and dad's hard-earned money to pay for the tuition so that I could get, you know, a good education before I go out there. I need to have bigger parts, you know, because I was always delegated to the smaller roles. Maybe because I wasn't good enough, according to my mom. Or maybe you were talking like this still. You were talking like that. You had to lose it. I wasn't. I wasn't. But, you know, but I was. I was very bold now that I think about it. But I just felt like my parents' money deserves a fuller education. And so I told him that.

And you know what his response was? What? He was like, well, it's going to be like that in the real world, me. That I would be delegated to small parts. I was so pissed at that point. And that was the mentality then. And just until recently, right? I mean, that's...

Yeah. So I turned it around. I said, well, then I need to get bigger parts. in school so I could have a better chance. I need more experience in school right now than these other people that you think are going to breeze through and get the parts. And did you get that opportunity?

I got bigger roles, but I don't think I ever got the lead in many things. What was the biggest thing you got after? It was like a one-act play where I got to be a lead in a group of one-acts. Oh, at Carnegie? Yeah, like it was a French. farce or something that but not a main stage but not main stage no and that always pissed you off

no it just made made me i think it helped you know it made me feel like you know what i'm going to prove you wrong and then he hook hooks me up with this nice guy so i can't be mad at him yeah i mean your husband so what was the first big thing you did after carnegie melon This is so weird. You don't like this? Is this what a podcast is? This is what the podcast. I thought we'd go back and forth and shoot the breeze like I'd ask you.

Like, where'd you go? Where'd you go? I went to Western Kentucky University. I got in with a 2.2 GPA. Oh, impressive. Yeah, not impressive. A 2.2 is almost half of 4.0. Almost.

But this is what the podcast is. You talk about how someone got to where they are. how that happened and what they deal with and anxiety and life and what life throws at you like this is really amazing to hear

how much you had to fight at Carnegie Mellon. Yeah, this is what people want to hear this is what the podcast is man it's facing adversity and Can I tell you this is like one of the first I don't think I've ever really done

a long, long ass podcast. Really? Yeah. Do you hate it? Huh? Do you hate it? No, no, no. No, but I feel like this is like the Spanish Inquisition a little bit.

No, no, it's just getting to know. No, I'm just kidding. No, I know, I know. But like, you know, let me ask you this. So what was the first big role you got after Carnegie Mellon? I went to New York and started doing off-Broadway theater. And I was like with the Manhattan Theater Club. I was with Playwright's Horizon.

Circle in the Square. Yeah, yeah. You know, like I was just dilly-dally, but like my first big was as the world turns. It was a soap opera. Now that's a hard thing to go into because that's a lot of lines, isn't it? It is. It really, it's like one of the actors called it meatball surgery from MASH. Because like literally you just like, you know, in, out, in, out.

Like just, you just. Was that nerve-wracking, learning all those lines? I don't know. I mean, I think I was just having so much fun, you know. It was like, and it was great because the one thing that Carnegie Mellon didn't teach me, and Carnegie Mellon taught me a lot. I mean, I really owe a lot to that school. And all my classmates, we keep in touch with each other.

You know, we had a very special class. And so, you know, I don't want to trash it too much. because they'll probably hate me for it. But Carnegie gave you the confidence to do all this. Oh, yeah. No, no, no. I mean, okay, here's the other thing. I have a daughter now that goes to college.

Right. And I did not realize that the program that I was in at Carnegie Mellon actually is not the normal college experience. Because it was almost like a repertory company or, I mean, literally, I would be going to class, like 8.30, you know, voice and speech class, 930, dance, 1030. I mean, we had classes. They had a curriculum. We had a curriculum until 3 p.m.

Then we had to rehearse. And then we had to do crew, which is, you know, a whole other evening. So, like, literally, I was going to school five days a week and then weekends, too. constantly like 10, 10, 12-hour days. And my daughter would be like, oh, yeah, so I have, oh, I made my schedule so I could have a four-day weekend. And I have two classes on Tuesday. That's my long day.

And I'm like, what? What are you paying for? Yeah, what are you paying for? It's such a scam. Like, I feel like I really got my money's worth, even with the smaller parts, because we, we learned to dance. We learned to do, like, stage combat. We learn, I mean, so much. Right.

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we're here to explore the Wicked and Reveal the Grim. We are Wicked and Grim. Follow and listen on your favorite podcast platform. How much combat did you have to learn for like Street Fighter or even Mandolorn? Like how much work and how much of it do you do? Do you like to do it? I love to do it. Well, Street Fighter was one of my first big action, like, experience.

And, I mean, we would train two hours in the morning, and then we would train two hours in the afternoon. And then, you know, like, so we would do jogging and aerobics in the morning. And then in the afternoon, we did stretches or fight moves. And then in the evening, we, like, you know, just trained with weights and stuff. I mean, it was intense. Was it fun playing Chunlee? Yeah, it was. You liked it?

How did you like working with Van Dam? Because I hear so many things. In fact, I hear from every act. I mean, there's so many stories out there. Was it just, I mean, you don't have to elaborate or you could elaborate if you want. Again, I don't think he's listening to this podcast, but was it interesting? Was it funny? Well, I mean, he was a huge star.

Yeah. Back then, you know. And, I mean, between him and the late Raul Julia, like, it was, I mean, I felt like I, you know, I hit it big. So, yeah, he's, he's very charming. Charming. Yeah, he's very charming. Yeah. That's what you'll say.

That's what you'll say. That's what you'll say. Charming. Was he there for all the scenes? Was he always there and getting you? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he was definitely there for all the scenes. scenes. Yeah. That's pretty amazing. And on ER, I got to ask. I mean, did you even work with George Clooney?

Yeah. You did. The most amazing human being. How long? Every time you mention his name or like, or I see him on something, I just smile. I'm just so happy for that man. He is truly one of the nicest superstars in the world. Niceest guy. He doesn't even have to be a superstar. What was it about him? Like when you're on set, what do you recall that you just remember him? so vividly being so kind and nice. What was it about him? Everything. I mean, he is always just, I remember, I remember I had to do the Tonight Show. And he was also a guest, you know, and you know how like, because he's the bigger star, they always have the bigger star first and then they leave.

Right. Well, I was like ready to piss in my pants. I was so nervous because, you know, I'm really more an introvert. I thought I was an extrovert, but I'm really not. And so when this kind of stuff happens, I get very nervous. And so my publicist, he apparently knocked on George's door and told him that I was really, really nervous and was about to, like, just throw up and not go on. And so George, knowing that, he stayed instead of leaving, like when he stayed the whole time on that set with me. Just in case, I, you know, like, he was just.

He stayed in the chair. He didn't leave as the lead guest on the Tonight Show. You know, just like little subtle things like that, that. And he's done a million other, like, on set. He's just. Do you remember him being hunky on set? Sure. But I think he's hunkier now.

You like the older, George? I think so, yeah. You do. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, back then, too. How long have you been a Star Wars fanatic?

Ever since it came out. Ever since 1977? 77, May 22nd, yes. Well. Well. How about that for some precision? Yeah. So you're always, so if I threw out something like,

can you name three bounty hunters and Empire Strikes Back? Could you do it? You're evil. I couldn't even remember Edward James almost. IG88, Bosque, Boba Fett. But you've always been a huge fan. And like I saw all these clips of interviews back when where you were like,

I just want to be in a Star Wars movie. Some interview or some con. I want to be in a Star Wars movie. It's something like that's always been part of you since you were little. Yeah. yeah and always always always the force will the force will be with you always always yes and did you audition for the mandolian you didn't even audition so did which doesn't happen very often no no yeah but i don't understand so is it one day you're at starbucks and you get a call from your age

Your agent says, I think you're going to be in a Star Wars. Okay, well, I'm going to give some credit to extraordinary women, extraordinary Asian women who support, you know, their sisters. I was at a party and throwback to Joy Luck Club, Tamlin Tamita, dear friend, amazing human being. She knew what a huge Star Wars fan I was. And at that party was Deborah Chow, who was direct. directing Mandalorian. And she came up to me. She's like, you have to meet Deborah. And she knows

everybody. She's like, she's the social butterfly, which I'm not. Like, I don't even know how I succeed in this business. Seriously, I don't schmooze. I don't. Because you're charming and you're talented. I don't know anyone. No. You were one of the most charming people I have ever encountered. Oh. You light up a room. Immediately light up a room. I'm not just saying that. When you are in a room, everybody gravitates towards you you have that it that's what it is but go ahead go ahead so she introduced you so she introduced me to debor debor and i just started talking we hit it off and you know and then she's like oh you know what i'm gonna i'm gonna you know mention you to you know how people say that and you don't believe it never happens and sure enough yeah that's do you

remember the day do you remember the moment where were you when you got the call oh wow Wow. That's a good. I don't remember what happened yesterday. No. I remember getting not a call. It's so weird. Our managers and our agents, like they just email stuff. But I think they did call me that day. And I read the script. And at first I was a little sad and concerned because, you know, Phenic Shan dies. In the script, yes. In the script. And I was like, gosh, I've been holding off for so long. You know, what is it? Like 40 years. But hang on.

Hang on. Your first reaction should have been like, yes, yes. Oh, yeah. Totally. Totally. My first reaction, I was like, oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. And I'm reading it.

I'm reading. And I'm like, oh, yes, yes. She's an assassin. And she gets shot in the gut and dies. It's like, oh. It just like broke my heart. So what did you do? You went to set and were you, did you mention it?

Like, do I have to die? Did you talk to anybody? No, no. What happened was like, you know, I had a lengthy conversation with John Favreau and Dave Filoni, two of the most, again, they're in the caliber of George Fluning for me. The nicest human beings, you know, the kindness, creative, just, just sane. really. So I had a long conversation with them and just loved the take that, you know, they were going with it. And so I go on set. I'm like, you know what, this might be my only opportunity.

I got to do it. Right? So I did. And I go on set and the costume was amazing. And, you know, I worked on the hair idea with Maria. And we were like really being creative about this character because I'm like, okay, if it's only going to be one episode, I'm going to make her, like, stand out, you know? I'm going to have this, like, really cool hair dude to go. It's really, like, I really invested a lot into it. Right. And I was so excited.

And the first time, like, I was on the volume, not realizing what it was. And I got on set, and literally there was, like, one rock and some sand. And I was just like, wow, this is. like, you know, it's like That's it. Back in the day, the black box theater where you 99 cedar

where you had like one man show. It turns into a table, that turns into a chair, that turns into your house, you know? There was just nothing there, but there's, of course, there's going to be a world in post. Well, I didn't know. You know, I was just like, well, okay, not very impressive.

Did you say anything to anybody? Like, is this really? No, it's just, These are my inner nerd thoughts. And then they light it up, and it was this, it was tattooing with the binary sunset. And I freaked. I mean, literally, I teared up. I teared up so much. I was so overwhelmed with emotions.

And then I asked the first AD, Kim Richards, who was this incredible human being? I'm like, okay, I know we're not supposed to take pictures on set up, but you have to, you have to take this picture of me looking at the. binary sunset with my one foot up like Luke Skywalker. And they did. You have that picture. She did. She like quickly took a few pictures of me. Wow. And that was my, my, my, my, I will forever have that moment. I was just like, I cannot believe. You're a kid in the candy store. You were back to that 1977 premiere of Star Wars. It's like, this shouldn't be happening. You know, it's so crazy. And so anyways, then Dave Filoni, who was directing this episode, Gunslinger.

he saw somebody wearing yellow and black and he was like oh those are the penguins colors and i was like oh you're a fan of the penguins well i love the stealers and he's like oh really and i'm like yeah i'm from pittsburg he's like i'm from pittsburg i'm like no and he's like yes i'm like where'd you go to college and you know he went to a different call i was like i went to Carnegie Mellon and he's like, what'd you go to high school? I'm like Mount Lebanon and he's like, I went to Mount Lebanon and that was

it. That was my golden ticket. That was your end for him to prevent death. Or try to because it wasn't 100%, but boy I was like so maybe Fennick shouldn't die. You cannot kill an alum from Pittsburgh

from Mount Lebanon I exactly you're giving the guilt trip but at the end the scene when you die supposedly would be like you you're wearing yellow and black see yeah yeah yeah but when you're when you're dying there at the end where you don't really die but didn't I read somewhere where you started like moving your fingers or started

no I suggest I'm like maybe we should do a shot where my fingers twitch a little just to give you options during the final edit and when was it that you heard you're coming back um a few months later yeah how enormous of a reaction i was i was like a gas i mean you know it's just it was amazing i mean look what you were supposed to die in the one episode and then you're in all these episodes and now the book of Boba Fett? I know.

Did you know at the end of the final episode of season two when the credits came up and it said coming soon, the book of Boba Fett? You knew before that, right? Mm-hmm. I'm not allowed to say certain things. You're not allowed to say certain things. Do you speak who tease? No. do you know what that is no that's the language of the huts so if you said yes that who tees oh okay

who tees but if you said yes i perhaps you know i've always pronounced that hutties is it hutties i don't know maybe it is but i was going to think that if you said yes that that that means huts are on the show that that sounds like hey you want to go to who tees you want to go to hey let's hit Hootiz. It's 2 a.m. Get some beer. Get some beer at Hootis. So you can't tell me anything about the book of Boba Fett. Nothing. Oh, this water tastes good. You can't even tell me if you worked a lot. You can't tell me if you worked a little. You could only say there's the book of Boba Fett. Mm-hmm. Was Mark Hamill in those scenes in the finale of season two? in a way yes in a way i mean was he on set he was that exciting for you had you met him before

i've met you want to hear how i met mark hamill the first time i was out in hollywood yeah you know roger corman right course have you ever worked on a roger corman film no i didn't realize that that's like a real initiation into hollywood is to work on a roger corman film so i i worked on a Roger Corman film. See, this is what I mean. I don't know how, because I don't know anything. I don't know people. I don't know histories.

It's so funny. But, okay, so Roger Corman film. And Mark was friends with Roger, and he came on set. And I got to meet him, again, no camera. That was my first time meeting him. I was so excited. And then I met him another time at some. either charity or some sort of dinner thing.

Nicest guy ever. Oh, my gosh. I love working with them. We worked on some animation together and great. Oh, my gosh. Right? Yeah, you do a lot of animation. Yeah, I haven't done a lot lately, but yeah, I used to do a lot of animation.

You've done a lot of animation. Yeah. I mean, speaking of Bad Batch, right? You play Fennick Shand. And so what's the difference, by the way, in bringing Fennick Shand to life in live action on Mandalorian and the book of Boba Fett versus doing the voice in Badbatch. Obviously, you're not, it's a live action. There's a difference.

But what do you like about both? Well, when Dave told me that that was going to happen, it was going to be like 20-some years younger, I was so excited because, you know, there's a chance to really develop her backstory. And it's so great to actually have been the live-action character because then when you do the animation. One, you know the character more.

And two, it's so nice to just like go these are sound effects they ask you to do folks when you're doing voice over and they go you hit a wall. We need a sound of a hit and then you fall. There it is. You drop from up high and you land

on something. I mean, if people were listening not knowing what was going in that room, they'd say, what is going? throw-up contest in there? But it's so much easier than actually having to do it on set. Oh, you don't have to put makeup on. You don't have to do anything. You just have a sprite

or whatever the hell you have and you just read the lines. Well, during COVID, we had, they sent all this, like, special equipment and the only place that I could do it where I had good sound buffering was our closet with all the clothes. And I did I did Bad Batch in my closet.

Wow. It's the craziest thing. And the quality of the sounds, because we didn't really do any ADR. The quality was incredible. Did someone set that up for you? Yes, my non-geek husband. Pretty talented. I don't think I could have done that.

All right, this is called shit talking with Ming, Nahu. This is fast, rapid fire to wrap us up here. Uh, these are questions from my patrons, my level of patrons who support the podcast and other ways, uh, go to patreon.com slash inside of you folks. If you want to join, it's an amazing family. But right now, uh, Emily asks, what character do people say is their favorite you've done that people come up to you? Definitely Moulon. And now Phenic. Yeah. And, oh, and Agent May. From Agents of Shield. Mm-hmm. Which you were on for many, see, you've done a lot of episodes of television. Seven. Seven. Lots of fights. scenes. Hoof, lots of fight scenes.

Would you do another network television show that does 22 episodes a year or you sticking to streaming? You know, just depends on... The role. On that check. No, I'm just kidding. It just depends on the project, really. I love it all.

Nico P., how awesome is it to go to work and kick people's ass for a living? It looks so cathartic. It is. Yes. Perfect. Nancy D. What is the role, either professionally or personally? that you hope to be remembered for.

Professionally? Yeah. What professionally? It's so hard to choose. They're like your children. They are. But what's the one? It sounds like Fennickshand is like that.

Yeah, Fennickshand. All right. I'll go with that. Because it is, it's my dream job. It's a dream job. You know? It really is. I mean, I would be, I told my agent for the last 20 years,

Well, it's been different agents. But I said, I'll be a stormtrooper. I don't have to be seen. Right. That's where it starts, Michael. You keep dreaming that. Because for me, I was like, even if I'm just a Jawa, because I'm not that tall.

But even I would do it. Yeah. O'Dooee. O'Doo Dini. They're saying Houdini, aren't they? Yes. I think they have to say, Houdini.

Ray H. Who are your personal heroes? Oh, easily my mom, for sure. Such a survivor. And I don't know. There's so many. It's hard to pinpoint. Well, mom.

All these questions are so hard. They're great. You're answering them honestly. Dave Plavvy says, when you come home to Pittsburgh, will your parents make you work at the restaurant? oh always really yes of course even today if you went back you'd work at the restaurant yeah if they're busy and they need help for sure what do you do what can you do you know they have like this shrine a little bit of a like with pictures of me and stuff and at the cash

register and like when I used to come home and if I come in during lunch time and they're super busy at lunch you know my mom would be my mom doesn't work at the restaurant anymore but if But she did back then. And she'd be like, Minna, Minna! Help, clean table! Clean table! So I'd be like, you know,

wiping down the table, taking the dishes, going, yeah, there's a shrine. That's my shrine right up there. Oh, man. This has been fantastic. Do you ever get anxiety? You ever deal with anxiety or anything like that?

Occasionally, yeah. And what do you do to help you with that? Sometimes tequila helps, but I don't know I shouldn't say that either. See what I mean. You are, you're not an introvert. You're funny. I am.

I don't think so. I think you're really funny. But you get anxiety and you probably exercise a lot. Yeah. Like if I have to get on the red carpet, I have to pretend I'm Beyonce. Really? You've got to put this fake attitude on. Literally, I will go, Beyonce, Beyonce, Beyonce.

Like, I will summon her energy into me before I go. Like, look, I'm sweating already thinking about going on a red carpet. I cannot do it. I really, I do. That's my mantra before I get on. Is your daughter proud of you? How many kids? Do you have two?

I have two, yeah. Are they pretty proud of mom? Yeah. They think it's cool what you do? Yes. Do they want any part of it? And I'm very proud I've raised at least one nerd in the family. Who's the nerd?

My son. He's a nerd. My daughter is not. Yeah, my daughter's not. She doesn't care about the Mandalorian. She doesn't care about this stuff. she she likes it because now she's dating somewhat of a nerd so yeah yeah so she appreciates it well listen but she's not into it like my son is well i hope you enjoy this because this has been

by the way one of my favorites this has been Ryan hasn't this been great this is it you have been awesome i don't realize i don't think you realize how great you have been you're so fun and because well you're you're easy to talk to but i i felt like it was a one-way conversation and i feel really bad about that? No, that's what it is. It's me talking to you and you could always ask me something, but it's really about, it's not like about, people don't want to listen to me. They listen to me when I ask you the question. Yeah, I wouldn't listen to you. Like, where are you right now? I'm at my house. And you have Indiana Jones. Is that your hero right there? No, I just like it. So, you know, I just have an Indiana Jones and a lot of horror movie posters in my podcast

room. So much fun, Michael. Thank you for asking you to do it. I'm so glad I finally got you to do it. And when it's done, will you help promote it a little on your own Twitter or whatever? no not going to do that I won't even remember I'll be like Michael who you Rosen boom she's got a good memory

you noticed that how she just threw back to like an hour ago I like that but she couldn't remember almost his last name no who's Ryan who's Ryan?

Ryan's my engineer and he's over there rocking it and making notes and enjoying this interview is he paying you enough Ryan to suffer through these boring conversations about where an actor talks about herself all day long. Hands down, this has been one of the better ones.

I will say that. This is a really good one. But not the best. You're up there. You're going to like this one. There's still a lot of 2021 left. Yeah, there's still a lot of 2021. Listen, I want to take more of your time.

I love you. I think you're amazing. I'll see you at a con or somewhere. And thank you for doing this. A lot of people are going to be very happy. Okay, great. Well, thank you so much for talking to me. I was afraid that she wasn't going to open up so much.

I really, I've saved this before with other guests, but she was. I thought she'd be, I think she was like, do people want to hear this? Do people want to, is this, I've never really done one like this. We're talking serious stuff. Are we, and I like that about her, that she was just sort of like going, okay, if you think people, I'm telling you. I know you like that episode. I certainly did and I thank Mingna went for being so open and honest and I see her at conventions and she's always been great and I'm glad I finally got her on the podcast. Did you enjoy it? She was fun. She was really fun. She was. Yeah. I thought it was a good one. Yeah, I did too. I think, you know, she texted me after. Did I say, should I have not? No. You didn't see anything wrong until she texts me and say, you asshole. Why did you air that? I don't think she would do that. But again, thank you.

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