Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Martin Starr

Episode Date: March 10, 2020

Martin Starr (Silicon Valley, Freaks and Geeks) joins us to talk about his family dynamics growing up as a young child of divorce and how they’ve evolved as he’s made his name in Hollywood. Martin opens up this week and shares some heartfelt memories of his father during his last days before he passed away from ALS. We also keep it light with some stories of Silicon Valley, an unforgettable forgettable night of partying, and talking Judd Apatow. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum Ryan just hit his leg pretty hard and I use he's the word F I use the I use the F bomb he's the F word so there you have it

hey dude how was your weekend you see him you seem frustrated you seem tired you see you don't look you look good but I know you had a thing

that rhymes with Yuri duty I get yeah I got I got nav for Jerry duty last couple weeks, so we've had to reschedule a couple recordings. We have. I'm sorry about that. It's not your fault, man. It's pain in the ass.

Did they pay you for that? No. I think you get paid. Not much. Like 20 bucks a day? Maybe. They reimburse you for some miles. I'll tell you all about it when it's all done, but it's not quite done.

I'm sorry to hear that. It's all right. But I hope you guys liked the first episode because Ryan kicked some royal ass. I mean, you did, man. The Brandon Routh episode, episode. For a first week, I think, you know, the number's killed. We want to increase those numbers. So we do ask you, man, please. We just, we're bringing you video. You can watch them on YouTube. You can still listen to them on all the platforms. But Ryan's hard work, it doesn't go unnoticed, especially to me. And I think the viewers are really loving it. So go on YouTube, subscribe. Hit the bell. So the notifications, it notifies you when to. Oh, you're YouTube. Yeah, well, I heard that's the way to do it. You know, that's the way to do it. Yeah, subscribe on. YouTube to catch every great moment of inside you on video now, which is really exciting.

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going here and get some big numbers and get some advertisers and, you know, get paid, I guess. Tomorrow night is Wednesday night and left on Laurel, my band. We, uh, you know, we are getting back together. We don't play often, but we're getting together Wednesday at 7 p.m. tomorrow night, and we're going to play a stage it. So go to stage it.com or wherever, and you can go on there and watch us do a little live show. It's always fun with Kent and Tom, Lally, and dancing and Carl, McDowell from ballers, you know, Carl. He's the bassist. So, um, you know, I'm, um, you know, I remember you listened to the songs in the beginning A couple of them we played for you

Yeah I got a big old LP You do in my apartment You gotta frame that sucker man You gotta frame it yeah You gotta frame it you're not framing shit So anyway there'll be prizes tomorrow night and all that I also want to shout out to Patreon All my patrons

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I randomly just start texting people in it. It's like a little community. And so that's cool. So Patreon, if you feel ever so, what's the word? Inclined? Inclined? Good word.

Good word. March 31st at the North Door in Austin, Texas. I'm interviewing Zach Levi. The first show is sold out. at the North Door, the 730 show, but there's still some tickets for the later show with me and Zach. So Zach Levi, Shazam, Chuck, all that stuff,

March 31st at the North Door in Austin. I'll be leaving to Mexico this week, Ryan. That's exciting. I'm excited for you. Yeah, it'll be fun, man. You know, the whole thing with the coronavirus and, you know, it's every, you know, people are trying to instill fear.

And I'm just going to be careful and, you know. Wash your hands. Is that the key? That's it. Because you wash your hands, you touch your face. I picked my nose. I shouldn't do that. I, but I think everyone is now.

realizing how much we all actually touch our faces on a like a minute by minute basis it's a lot maybe i shouldn't pick my nose anymore maybe this will stop me i mean i do it too but i mean we can't prevent it oh so mexico we're coming to you la molay uh for four days doing a smallville nights tom welling and i also quickly in miami i'll be doing a con may ninth i'll be there for the weekend tom welling and i were doing small little nights in miami uh a con there we're also doing st louis wizard world in june 5th uh in a smallville nights if you haven't seen it you're in for a treat uh the one we just did in Richmond was off the off the chain man you do not use that lightly either no I didn't and oh I just want to say one more thing uh I think Ryan I might have told you about

this but I I've been to these adult summer camps so I've decided I've always wanted one my friends have always said dude this is you why don't I mean they don't even think of me like you should be in a big movie you should you should own you should have your own summer camp so I bought the rights for a summer camp that I created called Camp Rosie and my buddy is working with me and we are going to throw a adult summer camp an hour north of Los Angeles or you know where I live and it is going to be Halloween so two nights two full days all your meals included bedding. You're in a cabin. You got your bunk. It's a community. All your meals. We've even got gluten-free stuff. It's going to be incredible. We got crazy DJs. A Friday night, 80s party.

We're going to have a Saturday, Halloween, a costume party. Both are costume parties. It is the most fun you'll ever have. It really is because I've gone five years in a row, but I've always wanted to do my own. So I'm breaking away and I'm doing it. So tickets will come up soon. I'm just giving you a little, you know, tweet me, Instagram me, message me, whatever. And if you're interested, let me know. It is going to be fantastic and the prices and all that stuff will be coming up an event bright soon. And if you keep listening, you'll get a discount something off your ticket if you buy early. So Camp Rosie is coming around the corner. That's coming. That's about all I have to say. Make sure you donate. If you're going to donate any money to anything,

maybe Ronald McDonald House of Los Angeles or anywhere around, they're all over the world. Food on foot, Echoes of Hope for Foster Youth, Food Unfoot for Homeless, great organizations helping people and um i can't thank you enough um stick stick around after because uh after this beautiful interview i'm going to read some of the shoutouts for uh patreon uh talk about a couple other things and uh so uh this this guest was pretty cool this is a good one uh he got deep too man i love when people get deep and he really talked about his dad yeah it was really good yeah because he got a little emotional you could tell there was there were those moments yeah did you zoom in on that moment zoom in wouldn't that be weird if you just zoom being like popped in his eyes look there's

There's a, no. Just animated some tears on him. People get emotional. I get a little emotional. And this guy is wonderful. We worked years ago together on a short film. He broke out and did a bunch of stuff. I went my own way.

And he became a big hit on the show called Silicon Valley. Funny as hell. You know, I'm the bearded guy. He's brilliant. I love him. Consider him a friend. He plays football with me on occasion. Well, he played once eight years ago.

But without further ado, let's get inside of Martin Star. It's my point of you You're listening to inside of you With Michael Rosenbaum Inside of You Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum Was not recorded in front of a live studio audience You realize podcasting is kind of like an audio experience

You'll never know which is which How's everything going, man? I haven't seen you in a long time I wanted to save it I really wanted I gave you a hug at least and that was nice You know it's going

It's going really well It's going better than I thought it would go Okay So life in general Lately You still got your looks I don't know about that I just had some laser treatment

On my pre-cancerous Spots I thought you were going to say Something else Oh my wiener I don't know dude People do laser for all the wrong reasons In the city

Have you ever had anything Lasered off your genitals No but Had a scary pimple once on your genitals it was not in a visible area and I can see my entire genitals was it above the for lack of a better term nut sack nope it wasn't below between that and the you know that other area it's a soft cell song the tainted love you said is that what it was yeah it was okay well that's obviously not a disease

no disease and sorry no disease wasn't involved it was painful and then it never happened It could have been a boil. I was young. No, no, boils last, I think. They do. I thought I had a boil on my nose once. I did have a boil on my nose during the filming of a show. You boil it off?

They, uh, the guy stuck myself out. I'm sure this is the end of the interview now. Yeah, that's it. When we're getting into boils and genitals and, uh... Wait, so what happened you... Well, they, they just put a needle in it. It was the most painful thing. Imagine, like, gripping something almost to the point where it's like clay and then you're

actually gripping wood. You're almost melting. You're almost going through that with your hands, the wood, because you're, it's a And you're so much, you're bracing on for your life. You broke a chair. Well, I was on a table, but there was these little metal levers. And I remember just, it was like, okay, this is going to hurt. But through your nose?

A lot of nerves in there. Have you ever had like a zit on your nose? Oh, it's the worst. The worst. It's in that spot. Yeah, it's terrible. And he was like going a needle, needle, needle. And I'm just going, that face you make.

I guess you're going to see my face. I was, it was everything I took to not. You probably don't want to move that much. I don't know what the situation was. Boyle removal. If it wasn't a removal, it was more like, hey, let's get the inflammation down. I'll never do that again. I'd rather have a Peter Boyle on my nose and act it out.

Yeah. Then go through that again. What about the other Boyle? Who's that woman who's a great singer? Susan Boyle. Susan Boyle. What happened to her? I mean, the real question is, who was she?

What happened to her? No, no, sorry. It's all in how you say it. Well, really, she was nobody. And then she became somebody. So it wasn't what happened to her. Oh, no. See, I guess it is what happened to her, because then she rose so fast.

and then what happened to her? Oh, she had such a good life and then what happened to her? What happened to? We ruined her. Do we say that to each other constantly, Hollywood? It's like, what happened to Martin Star? What do you mean?

I'm on Silicon Valley. But what happened? Not anymore. Now it's going to be what happened to. Have they all aired yet? Oh, yeah, we're done. Season six. When are you going to air this in the past?

Because then I'll adjust accordingly. No, the season hasn't come out yet. We're, no. Exactly. No, we, no, it's, I'm kidding. Oh, okay. So I got to watch it. Come and gone.

Back to the genitinette. you. I'm kidding. We're not going to go there. Have you seen one's the last time you saw Elizabeth Allen? That's what I'm going to ask. Okay, let's get into that. So, all right, so, uh, so you and I met met on the set. I don't know what year it was. Break it down for the visual. Yes, we, for our viewers. So here's what happened. Yeah. We met on a, on a short called Eyeball Eddie, and it was about a kid with a glass eye. That was your first acting performance in film, I guess you could say, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I grew up out here, so I did things here and

there, but that was the first thing that I got to, like, that, and then the pilot for Freaks and Geeks happened right around the same time. Right. We did the pilot. You became famous pretty quickly. And then, oh, yeah, everyone saw Freakingeaks. Everyone saw Freakingkees and Geeks 20 years later. It's probably the biggest cult thing that ever happened.

Now. It did more for your career, probably no one would have lasted. You know what? In some ways, and I think in other ways it would have been maybe detrimental. If the only thing I had done, like if seven years later, eight years later the only thing that I had done was that it would have been much harder to break out of that you know what's good news is that if that makes you weren't a dick probably on set because judd appetal started

casting you so you didn't really know what judd apato was going to do other than freaks and geeks he hadn't really done much other than he produced a lot i mean but he'd actually been a part of a lot of great things like what um i'm not saying he's in stiller's show um i mean his his producing resume is massive but i'm talking about like he blew up after freaks and geeks. I mean, knocked up all these other movies that came out.

I think it was really knocked up that said it. Or a 40-year-old virgin, right? That was first. 40-year-old version was version? The 40-year-old version

of 40-year-old virgin, which comes out in 27 years. That movie, I think, really exploded his people's awareness of him. Yeah. You were a nice guy in the set.

He liked you. Obviously. There was probably some people on set that were a little trouble that didn't work as much maybe? Oh, I was trouble. You are? You were a pain in the ass?

We were all. trouble. Do you think he didn't like if you had to guess once? But one person he didn't like. One person Apatow didn't like on that set. If you had to think about it. It wasn't James Franco. What was that man?

Well, because he put him in a lot of stuff, didn't he? Yeah. But I don't know that that. I also don't know that that necessarily dictates the way people, people's working relationships work. Weirdly. I always find it confusing when you meet someone who, and I'm not going to get into a name game on this,

but when you meet people who are, who are, difficult and their careers aren't hurting because of that. Does that make sense? I think this is a business where, and perhaps any business where you really sought after, it just kind of depends on the individual and people will kind of take what they can business-wise and suffer the consequences in other words. Wow. You just said something that I really didn't think was the case. You're saying that's still kind of happens. I think it happens less now than it used to. Right. But if Someone's difficult on set in the end, the director, the producer, the creator, doesn't really

like them, but they blow up. He's going to like, well, we have a relationship. I'm going to put him in something else. See if he does it. Or he's valuable. The people have value in foreign markets. And if you can get a movie made because you've got somebody in it, you'd take a hit sometimes, I suppose.

Those aren't decisions that I've made. So I don't really, I can't speak to it on my own behalf. But I just watch it happen. Right. All right. Before we get into some stuff, I want to go back. I want to go back before you start Because obviously you've got a great career

I mean Party down Silicon Valley and lots of movies And all that's that's all great It's all But that's not the point to this podcast I was just going to tell you You probably didn't listen to it

It's fine You know and the point really is Is I don't you know If I want to talk about your career Is it called inside of you Inside of you The Michael Rosemone At least you

It's right behind you It says that No it's behind you But I feel like If you want to talk about your career And just the things you're doing And look at me I'm Martin Star

and tell a quick, funny, witty story, you go on Fallon. You're going, whatever. But if people want to go, I want to see who Martin's star is, and I think Rosenbaum can get to the bottom of it without interrogating you and making me. He's going to get inside. You know, I think it's just, look, it's always become therapy for me. This stuff has been therapy for me, and then it becomes sort of therapy for everyone. And hopefully you get something at it.

And I think people have a good time. Already, it's good to reconnect with you. I love it. And by the way, although you, I knew you when you were a kid, you're 10 years, younger than me. But I was like, I don't know how old I was. I was probably 25. Yeah. When you were 15. Those are incompatible ages. Right. But now we're not that foreign age. We're 38. We've been through similar things. I think at some point it just levels off, right? Like there's a rise of growth and development and all that you're learning. And at some

point, you kind of get the way everything works. And then it's, it all fluctuates based on how much you put into life, really. Well, I think you have put a lot into life. Thanks. cool it's always good to see you laugh because many of your characters don't laugh right yeah they're not big laughers they're usually like i'm gonna throw something at you and fuck you well that's what i did for the last six years you didn't by the way i you know it all the it's all it's all yeah i get to do a lot of things i mean spider man it's a very like different character fun quirky yeah and that's fun to do it all what were you gonna say well i was gonna get back to like you know your parents were divorced right when i met you yeah is that right yeah they divorced when i was four

when you were four. Now, that couldn't have been like, uh, it's probably something you're dealing with and you think, oh, it's fine, everything's fine. But you probably have these things that attach to you growing up that you're like,

oh, my parents are divorced, my dad's, now it was a divorce, right? They were both a big part of my life. They were. Yeah.

My mom had custody for a short period of time. Well, she had full, she had one full custody. Especially then, I think it was support the mother when it came to the legal matters. like that in a divorce the mother usually gets custody which is probably still somewhat the case but i would imagine now they kind of look at everything at all the details um where then it probably

should have been split custody shared custody right but they just were like the you know her lawyer went in and fought hard and and a year after she won sole custody she i think recognized that I needed a father, that I needed my father, just to be a part of my life. And so she didn't want to, because she was fighting with him and didn't like him and they had a difficult relationship, she didn't want that to, she came to her senses in a way that was, I appreciate now so much that it could have gone totally differently. Well, that's incredible that your mom's, you know, because a lot of women or men, depending on who has custody, would be like, fuck that, you're not going to be with that asshole.

She did that. care she did that for a while yeah but what was the turning point i think the especially on a boy the effects of not having your father like you act out emotionally i'm sure at some point she just saw that the it was probably having a negative effect that she could see that was tangible and she made the right decision do you think it was one of those moments where you're like she was like i can't take this anymore because you're just like you're like you know what he needs to have sometime with dad maybe he's flipping out on me and i am taking all the brunt of this shit you did what did you but not until i was older i don't think like when you're younger that's what happened you love your

parents they're the perfect person nothing and then you realize wait i mean you're fucked too yeah well then they become the opposite then they know nothing and you know everything and at some point you like figure out you hope it's a mix of yeah i i still don't think they know anything are your parents still together no no they divorced probably 17 years ago my mom is in her third marriage my dad just divorced for his second time But he was in a marriage So they were together when For 27 years

When we shot I Aiboletti I think they got divorced Because that was more than 17 years ago They were probably married Around then And it was really hard to me Because I remember my mother Was calling me and saying

You're saying crazy shit You say crazy shit When you're going through a divorce And she's hurt And I get up and like I can't live anymore I don't want to live And I'm like

Please don't kill yourself Well, I'm on a show. My first show ever. I don't want to get fired when I have you. It wasn't that. This is Smallville? Was it Smallville? No, I don't think they got, yeah, maybe it was Smallville.

It was Smallville. I remember, actually, it was the, I remember the room. I was staying at this apartment, this little studio apartment. And I remember I was starting to get a little anxiety then. Because it was, I mean, you, I'm sure you sensed it as a kid. You saw the fighting, even though they separated. rated when you were four right yeah yeah but you still felt it right oh constantly well they were fighting with each other through me for for a while because you feel that like they're

they're now fighting each other and I'm in the middle and they tried to avoid that but I heard them fight all the time what was that movie Kramer versus Kramer did you feel like a Kramer versus Kramer kid I didn't see that movie so I don't know well it was just a tug of war and then you know I think what was it was the other movie a reconcilable differences what was the movie where the kid divorces the parents oh anyway It was a movie. Sounds like a comedy. But were you just...

But did you have that hope as a kid like, I wanted to get back together? Did you ever think there was any hope of that? Or you're like, this is never happening? I never thought about it because in conscious, in my consciousness, I never knew them to be together. Like, when you're four years old, life hasn't really formed around you yet. You're still figuring out so much. So I knew that there were changes happening, but I couldn't put my finger on it until I was much older. And at that point, I was so accustomed to that.

them being a part that it didn't make sense for them to be together. Yeah. And they fought so much. Like, they didn't get along. Were they drinking or anything like that? It was, or it wasn't had anything to do with that. I just didn't get along. Yeah, I know my dad had a drinking problem before they were married and maybe at the

beginning of their marriage. But when I knew him, he didn't. He would drink non-alcoholic beer and loved it. So you never saw him lit for the most part. No, not until I was old. and then he like would drink a little bit more but he never drank a lot like he wouldn't he wouldn't he never got like fall down drunk i never i never had that experience that's good did you hate like you know uh seeing your mom dating guys as you get we're getting older and you're like fuck

this is not my dad this is were you just rebellious no she went on a date with uh bill cartwright once and i bill cartwright from the bulls the basketball player with the i came up to like probably the bottom of his scrotum like i must have been like nine years old did you see any oils? No, no, he was wearing pants. It wasn't like, how was that, mom? And then he comes out. I'm just like, whoa, what are those? Hey, sir. He was just in our house at some point. I know my mom went on a date with him. That was it. I knew no details other than that. I just remember thinking, oh, that's cool. Did he say hey to you? Like, hey, man, how's going? Yeah, super. It hurt my neck to look up.

He was very tall. And he was nice. Were you like when they didn't work out? You're like, why couldn't you make that work out? That would have been awesome. Yeah, I did not I didn't think about it in those terms She she Her longest relationship Was in my teens And that went into my 20s with a guy named Frank Frank who we all live together at some point

From like 16 to I moved out at 17 And then like came back Like when I was living there when We did I balletti And there was one night Oh my God I can't imagine the feeling Do you remember that group of kids?

It was just a bunch of USC kids. Yeah, yeah. Elizabeth Allen led the charge. But all the producers and everyone else, they were all like pals from USC making everyone's kind of short films together, I think, as that happens, I guess, as you're going through film school. And I went to the party, our rap party, and I was 16. And I got, I didn't know you don't drink different alcohols together.

No one showed me the ropes. That was the first time. Like I'd had alcohol before, but I was 17. So this was like... You're mixing of beer and liquor. It was on a new level. Yeah, there was like vodka and a watermelon and I had some of that. And then I drank some like whiskey with some shit in it and then a beer.

And I was just like, I can drink anything. Cut to me laying down behind it. I remember putting my head down, thinking that the carpet was very comfortable, laid down out. Woke up in my bed the next day. and my mom said that she watched my limp body get dragged in by the USC kids that I was working with and they were so apologetic that they had like and I vomited in someone's car everyone told me this afterwards

I don't remember a moment of it I felt like now I feel bad thinking back to how much that must have they were worried I was dead fully worried I was dead bringing a dead body because you really never drank that much before then not like that obviously and I haven't gotten blacked out drunk many times in my life so you have blacked out after that yeah I'm blacking out right now I am shit there but but Frank was in your life for a little while and ultimately did you like him for whatever before I think he was a nice guy he really tried his best I don't think he and my mom were quite meant to work out but he tried his

best to like be helpful to me and he saw ahead of the game I remember he uh He was there when freaks and geeks happened, and he was like, I bought the domain martinstar.com. And I was like, oh, cool. And this was, it was like just becoming a thing, but it was like not huge yet. And now all of it has evolved. Like if now you, it's not dot com, you want to get your own app. If you don't have your Martin Star app, you know, what have you done for it? No, he got it for me as like a gift, but it was just like he was just kind of thoughtful and

business minded like that. So he had thought that that would be valuable. I never ended up using it. So Frank, do you ever talk to Frank now? I haven't talked to him in a while, but I caught up with him once in New York. And it was kind of nice? Yeah. I think he lost his wife to cancer recently.

I met with him before that happened, but I know she was sick when I saw him. He's a, yeah, he's a nice guy. That's good. There's not a lot of people, kids that could say that, you know, when their mom dates some guys and, you know, she goes, you know, it's not like she went through a lot of men. I'm just saying, you know, then all of a sudden you're like, you know, Frank, I'll, I'll go meet with Frank. I don't talk to him a lot, but it's nice that you had some kind of relationship. Yeah.

And it didn't drive your dad fucking crazy, though? I was there for formative years. No, my dad wasn't jealous like that. He was very thoughtful in that way. He's still with you, right? No, my father passed away. When did that happen? Just over five years ago.

Oh. He had ALS. And that was real difficult to witness to, like, be a part of it in some ways. Doesn't happen fast. It happened. It took him a while, but for a long time, it was time spent wondering what's going on because his body just, it didn't make sense to him anymore. He was, he had low energy, like the effects aren't always tangible.

They're not visible, like you don't see all the side effects. It's hard to pinpoint exactly what the problem is. And so he came out, I remember at one point he came out to L.A., and this is definitely when he was being affected by ALS. And he, but he didn't know what it was yet. And none of the doctors that he had saw could even, like, get into that genre of issue. They just kind of tried to deal with his energy issues. So then he just woke up just had no energy. I slept and I can't get through a day.

Because every day I think he felt zapped. And then it would aggravate him. So then he would spend energy angry. And it also makes you probably anxious and get anxiety going, I'm anxious from being tired. Yeah. Of thinking I'm going to be too tired to accomplish the tasks or whatever. Essentially, ALS is like your body's shutting down while you're still in it. And that was at the beginning of Silicon Valley, the success of Silicon Valley, right, when he passed?

Yeah. It was either the first, yeah, the first year that we went to the Emmys, I didn't make it because I was with him. and it and it and it was I don't know it was there there was something there's something kind of joyful because of that experience meant so much to me now and all of those people that I got to work with mean so much to me that for my dad to kind of be there at the beginning of it to kind of to watch that rocket take off and appreciate it kind of makes it even that much more special. to me. Yeah. And in particular, I see that Kumil came and did your podcast. Yeah, he was great. He was, my dad loved his character the most, uh, on the show because in our, because I think he had a pretty accurate perception of it, which was that Kumil is the heart of the show. He's, he, you know, and, and that might fluctuate a bit, but he always wore his heart on his sleeve, unlike a lot of the other characters who are kind of being conniving and or who are closed off fully closed off

like the character I played and your dad liked that about him he liked that character was it was relatable he was he could connect you can connect with someone who's open like that yeah and he just really liked him and appreciated you know how how where that comedy came from and you know where that character came from um I could see you get like I could see you getting a little emotional yeah maybe you're wrong but I can just see how much like you just, I could see moments that you're going through in your head of like, uh, to kind of touch me and I'm thinking, you know, I can just see you seeing your dad and how he reacted. I could just like, oh, that was going through your eyes. It's crazy. But, um, you know, it's nice that you,

a lot of people don't have that, that experience of, you know, when they lose someone tragically or whatever, but you feel like he got to see your success. He got to see all these things. You have these great memories. You have that he was always a good father. He was there, even though they were divorced i mean that's kind of a that's rare right yeah it's um i don't i guess i don't know how rare it is because i only have my own experiences but it's really a i don't take it for granted yeah i feel really lucky he was um i mean he was very much like that he wore his heart on his sleeve in a lot of ways and really tried to do it more and more the older he got But he made a lot of mistakes when he was younger, too,

and I think he tried to recognize those and not make them again, which is really the best thing you can hope for in a life because we're all going to make mistakes. And some of those are pretty tough to recognize and deal with. But if you do your best not to continue that cycle, once you're aware of it, I mean... It's so hard, too. Yeah, it can be very difficult.

I mean, yeah, to me, that's, you know, whatever happened to you as a kid, you're like, oh, I'm not going to do that. Or if I wasn't loved a certain way, I'm going to love more. And he did that. That was one of the things, actually, I think he did pretty well. Because I don't think he felt a lot of love from his parents. And he also fucked up with, fucked up, like he had been through a marriage before my mother. Then they divorced and he got married again. And in his first marriage, I don't think he really knew how to love.

and he was figuring that out and had a lot of anger issues. But by the time he had me, he had figured out how to be a parent, at least a bit more. And his dad, I don't think, was super present and ended up leaving his family to go start a new family at some point. And just like fully left four kids. Yeah. But that was when he was, I think when he was older. So it still happened. Like you still deal with it, but you're like fully formed as a human being.

And then you're like, wait a second, where did my dad go? And he's just gone off with a new family. For me, anyway, he was very present. I had a very fortunate experience with him. And I know that my half siblings from his first marriage didn't have the same experience. And there are times where I feel guilty. Yeah. And it pains me that we don't all kind of share the same experience and the same type of love for him.

Have they ever reached out? Do the people reach out to you? Oh, yeah, we're pretty close, yeah. You are. Yeah, my brother and I, while we are fairly kind of different people, and in some ways, it makes it, I don't know, it's more that there's distance, you know. He lives in D.C. and I live out here, so we don't see each other too often. But he's a huge heart, and we try and stay connected as much as we can, but it makes it hard with the distance.

My two sisters, Annie and Kerry, they both live up in near Portland. um in in vancouver washington you visit every once in a while really sweet yeah uh carrie and i have stayed the closest carry and i she's she's just a fucking awesome lady i'm like there are those times i'm sure you feel this way i feel like this is as part of the human experience where you look around you and you're like wow i'm so lucky i'm lucky that i'm lucky that i'm lucky that i had a dad who at least by the time he had me he kind of figured it out somewhat and i had a really good connection with him. I'm lucky that with him came a great brother and this fucking awesome sister and another sister who probably struggles and like is trying to figure a shit out.

But to have like Carrie in my life is so incredible. That's being grateful. You know, that's, you know, they always say the best thing you can do for your health is just be grateful, be genuinely grateful. So you're saying these things, it's just like it's, to me, it does make sense. I don't know how many times people have said, just wake up, say things you're grateful for. Before you go to sleep, say the things you're grateful for. Isn't it a weird thing that you'd like, people need a reminder? And maybe, and I'm sure I do too, a fair amount of times, but it is kind of an interesting thing that it doesn't, that it doesn't come as naturally as it should. Well, I mean, even, uh, I wasn't going to say this because it's, you know, this when this air is,

this will be a little time, but you know, the Kobe Bryant's passing, right? Yeah. I think, you know, it's weird because, you know, when Bowie passed, it was like, oh, David Bowie, legend and all these other people. But, you know, people are in their 60s or 70s or whatever. They've had, for some reason, maybe because I, you know, I met him. I've seen him. It was just, he's this 40-year-old guy, his 13-year-old daughter. And the thing that hit me most is, which is true,

nothing matters except connection and love. Nothing, like nothing. And people forget, my point is, is we just, say yeah yeah love everybody and we're in the moment and everybody's Instagramming and tweeting each other right and they're like it doesn't matter if you have 500 million in the bank and you have you know all this fame and you can live wherever you want travel or you ever want it it it doesn't mean shit yeah I mean none of that matters because now he's gone yeah right but it seems like the interesting thing which I didn't realize until now seeing all these clips of him

is that he really seemed to live a full life it was he was Bang it forward. Yes, he really was. He was helping so many people and present in so many people's lives in a way that was intimate and considerate and not. And altruistic. Not superficial. Yeah. What a beautiful lesson to learn.

And then his time just, we don't know. And we can always just say it when something tragic happens. Stay close to your loved ones. Yeah. Call your mother. Call your this. You can't live in perpetual, I love you. This is the last time.

Yeah. But you could be more aware. Yeah. You could be more aware of the people you're talking to and appreciate them more. Hi, Ryan. I appreciate you. You know, and so that, you know, when I think of that, you know, when I think of your dad, and I think of, like, you know, being present and being in those moments and having those moments.

And it's really that's all we have, our moments. That's it. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter when you die and you have done all these credits. What does that mean? No. It doesn't mean anything to you. Yeah. Right?

Mm-hmm. I don't know. Thanks for getting deep with me. there for a second. Can I share two stories with you about my dad? I'd love it. They're just kind of two things that I think embody who he wanted to be all the time, but we're all, um, while he was, so he was so sick when he was his sickest that his legs were as thin as my arms. And I could see when he came and picked me up at the airport, came to pick me up in a car, and he was driving. And his legs were so thin and frail that it didn't make sense to me that his body was capable of moving the car,

pushing the pedal down. But he acted as if nothing was wrong because it was really the first time I had seen him since this had really hit. Did he acknowledge it? Did you acknowledge it? Yeah. Yeah. I said your dick probably looks massive. Is that what you said? Oh yeah. And what did he say? Come on. Oh, we laughed. No, we laughed. Yeah, this is absolutely. He taught me the sense of humor. So his body is so frail, and in the coming months, it got worse, and it became difficult to put his own clothes on and things like that. And there was a day when I think he realized that pretty soon there was no way he was really going to be able to move himself in the way that he's become accustomed. And so he got up before his wife, before my stepmom, and... and got in the car, she didn't know what was going on.

It didn't make sense. Like she always kind of helps him get dressed and stuff at this point. And so he just kind of snuck out, got in the car, went to Starbucks to get her coffee because she loves coffee in the morning. And he knew how much it kind of means to her. And just a simple thing, just a simple gesture of love is his motive. And he gets up and he goes to Starbucks and they have drive-through windows out there. This is in Florida. and so he goes to the drive-through orders and when he gets to the window his arms are so weak

that these two giant cups of coffee he can only move one at a time so he like grabs one like the guy hands him two cups coffee and he's like yeah yeah just grab the one here put that down and then grab the other one the guy's like holy shit like what's going on with this guy he said like the looks he got from this guy were insane and he was like are you all right bud Should you be driving? And then, so he brings the coffee home, gets out of the car, sets the coffee in, and she wakes up to two cups of coffee, which he had to painstakingly go through so much effort for. And that was probably a small gesture for him to show, I mean, it's a huge gesture in some ways,

but for him to just show that he probably didn't pay enough attention. and that's you know he expressed that to me later but that really he was he was just like there are so many times i didn't do the smallest things that if i could go back knowing what i know now i would have done so much more um so that's the sad that's a sad that's a like i mean it's hard it's a it's a beautiful story but you know it's like but it's a yeah it's like i could have done all these things and to that in that moment that was the hardest thing he could have done Believe it or not. That was the hardest thing.

And he wanted to do that to just show her some morsel of love. Showing as much love as his body was capable in that experience. And I think that's we're talking about it. It's like when people do pass away. They did some science. They did some research about like, you know, what mistakes did you make or what would you change? I wouldn't work so much. I'd love more.

I do. There are all these things that they would do. And it's always the same thing. But it's hard to make someone in the moment. as a young man or whatever going through all these things going yeah but that's you you should pay attention to those people because that's you in however many years so do what you can now and it's hard but i think if you get in a routine of just changing what you do and by the way it makes you feel good it does there's nothing better than being grateful there's nothing better than doing other

an act of kindness for someone else there's nothing much more rewarding and i never knew that i mean I always felt like I was a good guy. But then once I started doing hands-on things, you're like, I mean, that's what it's about. That's it's what's going to make you feel good. It's not going to be like a residual check or a job. That is what's going to make you feel good. Yeah. Easily one of the most rewarding things I do each year that I can make it is the charity in Kansas City.

What's that called? It's called Big Slick. It's for the Children's Hospital, Mercy Children's Hospital or Children's Mercy Mercy Mercy Mercy Hospital in Kansas City. and it's going to visit the hospital is easily the most rewarding hour of my year. Well, if you ever want to go to Ronald McDonald's house with me in Los Angeles. I go every other Tuesday. Do you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can love to. Yeah, I'd love for you to go. Yeah, I'm serious. Yeah, I'm in. I'll text you. What's the other story? This will be a bit lighter-hearted.

I like the dick joke. And don't, yeah, that's, it's a good one. It's in that pain. No pun intended. so he so it was at a point where he was he couldn't go all the way to the bathroom so I became like the shit remover of his portable toilet that we had in the living room and he would sit in the living room and chant I was raised Buddhist and so he would sit and chant Namiho Rengiko to his altar in a very hushed tone because that's all he really

could get out because his lungs like ALS kind of affects the body in such a severe way What's the chant? Namuho Rangiko. Loudly. Those are the words. But he says it loudly. He's chanting. He's saying it softly.

Softly. Yeah, because he can't really get the words out. Okay, okay. When you're in a room full of people doing it. That's when in unison, that's when it's very, like, there's a resonance to it that's powerful. And he had a very powerful voice when he would say that because he wasted so many words, he was a salesman. He was saying, this is my karma for wasting so many words that my voice is taken away. And so he was in the living room, chanting.

And he was like, oh, I got to take a shit. And so he moves three feet to get on the portable toilet and sits there, takes a shit. And he's taking a shit. And I walked into the room. And he just looks over his shoulder at me. And he says, this is why I don't get invited to parties anymore. And that was it. He never lost his sense of humor, which is, you can't.

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you keep them alive with your words, man. There's no doubt about that. And your mom is, she's in your life still. You guys are tight. Yeah. You probably got closer, inadvertently almost. We got closer. I think more than anything was just age.

Like she and I didn't, in some ways, we're just very different people. And I allowed that to be, I allowed that to stop me from putting in effort because I didn't want to get hurt sometimes. Like we would fight and we just kind of see the world in very different ways. and that ends up causing issues that I don't deal with in any of my friendships because I tend to be drawn to people who are like-minded and who I just get along with. And that said, you know, you always spend time with people who see different ways and those create amazing conversations.

But when you're sitting around kind of enjoying life, you tend to just want to be with people you can joke around with and have fun. It's easy. Yeah. And she and I don't kind of always have that connection. But we can laugh and have fun for sure. The thing that actually brought us the closest was the, the Los Angeles Clippers.

I started going to, yeah, I started going to a lot of games and she never really watched sports. I think she did watch sports in, like, college sports for her. She went to, she was a wildcat in Kansas,

Kansas, not Kansas State. Well, Kentucky? Kansas. Kentucky Wildcats. No, it's like, it's the Kansas Wildcats, but it's, I don't know, I know there's, it's not KU, it's Kansas State.

So it's Kansas State Wildcats. Gotcha. So she did like sports then-ish. but I started going to Clipper games 10 years ago maybe a little bit more and had season tickets and went with some buddies and then she was and I started taking her with me it was like it was like there's this weird pressure that she would put on our relationship that was gone when we went to the games where usually our relationship was so what are you doing how's work what's going on with you have a girlfriend and it sounds like you're going to get married

You're going to have kids and all that shit evaporates. And she's like, so what happened there? Why did why did why they blow the whistle there? So it's being present just the moment right here. This is our moment. And I get to explain something to her that I know a decent amount about. I'm no expert. But I get to share with her a passion that I have and watch her grow a passion for it herself.

And it like really helped connect us in a way where like now I don't have season tickets anymore. but I'm thinking about getting back into it, but it's just such a commitment. Yeah, 42 games or whatever. I tried to do the RAM season. Oh, and that's just one game. And that's only eight games in the season too. I couldn't even commit to that.

Yeah. It's like, who wants these? Why am I doing this to myself? Those you can sell, I think, for a good amount of money. You've probably make your money back. So now, even though I don't have those tickets, we still just talk about basketball when I see her. I like it.

It's great. I got to do more with that. I feel like, you know, So I'm definitely getting to a place where I just don't want to fight anymore. Like you said, you don't have anything in common, really. So, but there are. I just sort of, I gravitate towards, let's talk about this. I know we could talk about this.

Right. I talk about this. And you sort of like, not to be a dick, but I want, things are always on my terms or the other person's terms or our terms. Like, in other words, if it's an easy friendship, you call me when you want, I'll talk. There's not, you don't even have to talk about it. But when there's certain, I don't know, animosity or there's things like, you know, divorced parents and, like, I have rules. You know, you're not going to talk about dad.

You're not going to talk about mom. You're not going to talk about Lori, my sister. You're not going to talk about this. You want to talk to me about this. That's great. And we're not going to talk about money because Lord knows I've given you enough. And we're not going to talk about that. Let's talk about, you know.

And sometimes it's, I just do what I can. And I don't want to feel guilty like I think I'm a good son. I think I'm a great son. I think I've done a lot. But I remember in the past, I'd get really sure. and I'd say some shit that I was just like, what the fuck? And I'd lose my, no, I'd lose my one on the phone. I see.

Are you a fucking spoiled? Why are we? You know. And it would just be like, why am I doing this to myself? And those are the habits that you created at 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, and you just hold on to that. And so you repeat that cycle. It's not good.

But it's deep shit. Like, those are easy things to break through. Yeah. So good for you for putting in the effort to try and figure that out. I go through the same thing where I know how irrational there are, I am in certain moments. And I try to like break that down and not react the same way. Because it's up to me to change it. She's, I know at this point, she's not going to change it.

Absolutely not. And part of it I've realized more recently is having boundaries up in how I bring her into my life, as opposed to what I let her do. She can do whatever she wants. and that can't be like you can't having a relationship with those kind of demands it's untenable

because you can't control another person but if I just alter the amount of access that she has and and bring her into the areas in which I feel comfortable that's it that's how our relationship can really thrive yeah yeah and that's

and it's actually great we do that in every relationship in some most in the good ones those doors don't exist so you don't think about it as much but there are ways in which you do and don't access particular areas of your life with everyone do you know what I do no before I call my mother I will take a deep breath if I remember I usually remember now I'll just that was a little snotty you getting over cold no oh and I go okay no you're gonna be pleasant you're going to be patient you talk to yourself she's going to annoy you but it's okay you can just you know say i love you when you get off the phone it's going to make it feel real good

it's going to make you feel nice and uh you can have a conversation and see what she's up to and really you know because i'm always interested like what are you and it always becomes about something else and what i you know comparing and things you grew up here yeah no i grew up in indiana but i was born in new york but um so i do sort of this is what it's going to be it's almost like when you're talking, you're about to talk to someone like a producer or something. Take a breath. What are you going to talk about? What do you need to get through instead of just getting out of the phone?

I go, oh, so hey, I just, I kind of need to connect for a second. I just need to get my thoughts together and just go, all right, listen, she's going to bring. Just ask them how they're doing, show the love, change the direction of the conversation. If it gets a certain way, ask how Gordon's do. And I care. It's not about caring. It's like, I don't want to work myself up. I'm not going to get myself forward.

I almost worked myself up just saying what I just told you, to talk. just now I thought about something that's going to be like anyway so I get it so you do you find you find your piece I try to find my piece and I try to I don't want to yell anymore I don't want to do it you know I just say you know mom it's not about this all the time whatever I learn look I'm not a fucking you know I talk about this but I you know I went to a wellness center I go to therapy I do meditation I do things I don't I don't know anything all I can tell you is what works for me and is what is working for me yeah so I have helped myself and I think help my relationship and just become a better human being by putting the work in.

So what upsets me is when someone else doesn't want to put the fucking work in. So like, hey, go see someone or, you know, and if they don't, then I have to go, okay, well, I'm taking care of myself. So what can I do to protect myself? Because I'm doing a lot of work here and I deserve certain, you know, whatever. I mean, I think in those in familiar relationships, it's harder to kind of make demands like that. But in personal relationships, obviously, you, you create the terms with the other person. Yeah. But in familiar relationships, it's a lot harder.

You just kind of, you got to take what's valuable from it. This is, and this is just me speaking to myself. I'm not telling you in any way what you should do. Tell me. But, but, uh, tell me. But I'm trying to take what's, because she's, my mother is an incredible woman, uh, incredibly strong, incredibly caring and battling, um, um, um, developmental stage in her life that was so difficult her mom was a nun

who her father convinced not to go into the nunnery and give herself to God and instead of marrying God marry a human man who pales in comparison to God but should have been Bill Cartwright and well that's well that's my mom later but my grandmother her mother married a human man who never like who could never make her happy. She wanted a different life and gave it up for a man who I think was incredible. My grandfather was a great dude. Amazing sense of humor. But was he God? He wasn't God, it turns out, and that was the problem. But he was, he just had a great sense of humor and huge heart. Great man. Yeah. And she was, I only remember her being miserable. And that was in her older age. But I, all the stories that I

heard from their childhood was that has a huge effect huge like all these things that you fight with your mother and or father about whenever you talk to them that isn't even like who you are now it's who you were and you're sort of who i become too in a way it's it's always a part of you i mean these things that happen to you during your life and you're you know it's just this is what happened this is how i felt this is what i had as a child and you have to get to a certain age where you're like all right well now i'm an adult so i could go work on my shit or i could just blame the fucking world yeah so you have to at some point just go all right here's the reality this is what we're doing i am going to change the way i think i'm going to

work on myself i'm not going to blame this and i have people my family and i have friends that they you know it's always about well this my dad's a fuck up and this is this and you just have to and i have a relationship with with my mother and my father but again it's on you know i feel like it's on terms in a way like look if they call me i'm gonna i'm just saying that i'm not going to allow them to make me feel a certain way i'm going to walk away from something or tell them hey i don't i'm not gonna i'm not gonna do this i'm gonna hang up the phone right now i'm not comfortable i don't like where this is going and i'm gonna call you having your bullshit if you say something that didn't happen if we're talking about the past when i know it did in my my eyes and it actually happened

to me don't say it didn't you know what i mean so don't fuck with people's memories of the way They perceive things. That's why I try to talk about different things. That's interesting. Those are tough things to combat. You just want someone to go, I'm sorry. Yeah. And I'm not just saying your parents.

Just own up to it. Yeah. I will own up to as much as I possibly can. I will say just speaking from my mother. She's owned up. That's one of the beautiful things about our relationship is that I've, because I've started saying, Hey, look, I can't talk to you for a little while. uh you did something it hurt me i'll talk i'll talk to you when i can but i just need i need time

and and then i'll go back and revisit and she'll say what's happening like and and it's on my terms that we're meeting i'm i'm not going to be forced to i still love her there's that that gap doesn't create some sort of anger or hostility in fact it's it's me doing what you do on the phone which is taking a breath and remembering that she's not doing any of these things on purpose. She didn't want to hurt me the way that she did. She perhaps made a selfish action. That's it. And the effects of which, had she known would be so severe, she probably would have made a different decision.

But because in that moment, she's only thinking about herself, she's making the best decision with what she knows. And so later, I can say, here is what you did. This wasn't your intention, but this is the effect it had on me. It hurt me tremendously. I still love you. I want you to know that things like that make me recoil, and I will do my best to make sure that you don't have the opportunity to hurt me like that again. This doesn't change that I love you. I still love you tremendously.

And I will still see you as much as I can. In that situation, you will not find me again. Ah. And I, and I, that's, that's, that's also holding them accountable. Yeah. And holding yourself. accountable for like talking up for your like speaking up not just hiding behind like that's bullshit I'm not going to say anything about it fuck them and then you have all these reasons because I think

that's what's happened to me for a long time is it just you just get more resentful right you just start thinking wow it's like I can't even talk to some people about things because their view of what happened and I'm not crazy or completely but I really have a vivid memory of certain things it's so pure and so honest and so at times fucked that how could they see so far apart from me how could they not acknowledge what I'm saying and just even if they don't see it that way so listen I am fucking sorry I am deeply sorry if if you if you felt that way if I was like that I I'm I guess I wasn't aware and I was being selfish or whatever but I but there's some kind of it's brave to do that.

It's brave to own up to it. And sometimes you don't have to own up to it because you're right, but own up to it because you might be wrong. I think that's the important thing. Maybe you're just wrong. Maybe the way I was affected by something which really hurt me and affected me as a child. That's my truth.

So just respect my truth. And I think that's pretty... Anyway, back to freaks and geeks. Yeah, yeah, cool. Yeah, don't forget to go over my resume. No, this has been, this is great. But, you know, some things happen. Like, I read that, you know, after Freaks and Geeks, you were depressed because about one season, will I work again?

You were talking about working in the coffee industry. What was it? I was a barista for one day, maybe five hours. I made $2, not to brag from the tip jar. Someone was nice enough to say, you're going to take this. I was in my early 20s at this point, and I just didn't feel like I was going to work out in this business. And I didn't, I think I'd lost some passion for it, too, at that point, because it sucks. Like the people that you, it's a business.

And when you meet enough of just the business and you get fucking beat to shit by the business, you're like, wait, the thing that I love doesn't exist here anymore. You really thought no one's going to cast your acting crew is over. Yeah, I did. I didn't really feel like it was a place where I could thrive anymore that I had the kind of relationships that were valuable just because it's I love working and I love meeting new people and I love new experiences like that. Spider-Man is one that was very fun. Obviously Silicon Valley and now those have become family and those are the experiences that I only want. That's all I'm here for and ending up on a show where it isn't like that or doing doing something that feels like

business like the only purpose that most of the people are there with is to make money it that isn't that isn't what I'm interested in and that's what it kind of felt like was only possible and that was shunning me um so I've I got really lucky knocked up happened and then my life shifted do you think you're grown up enough maybe not the term do you think you're mature enough Do you think you have had enough life hit you in the face that if something happens now where you don't work for some reason and you just stop working for a while, that you would have that level of like, I'm not going to fall apart. I'm not going to get depressed. I'm going to do what I can and figure it out. Never.

I don't think it's possible for me. I also. What do you mean? It's not impossible for you do what? I don't think it's possible. I don't think that's how I'm wired. Well, even when we would shoot Silicon Valley, and I felt confident because HBO was so, was such. a proponent of the show and was so supportive and with us I felt always good that we would

come back season one two three like once one season two happened then I was like oh great we'll run as long as we want to as long as Mike and Alec are excited about this we're rolling and even then at the end of every season there's just it's like going to a wedding or a bar mitzvah or a party for months where you like go and you see your friends and you're like this is the best this is the best thing that's ever happened then the weekend's over and you're fucked you feel like shit and it's all over so that's how you feel at the end of every season yeah you get depressed oh absolutely like when you talk about depression do you talk about like it's situational depression or is it really like if this show doesn't come back what am i going to do no it's yeah it's uh it's uh situ situational

it's definitely not it's more just like lashing out probably at the people around me and and and and wanting to, like, sit at home and sulk a bit for a bit. But that's something that I think fades within a couple of weeks. And there's still kind of like a lingering, like, just missing. Residual effect of, like, yeah, for what that was. But now, like, we finished in October. I think we finished on October or November. And I haven't worked since.

I've worked on a friend's show here and there. All right. Well, hang on. I want to let you know something. That's called Thanksgiving and the holidays and now it's January. Yeah. I don't have something like lined up. I'm not.

Are you freaking out? I'm old enough now to recognize the thing that you're getting at, I think. I'm getting at it. Which is, and I think I'm finally in the awareness part of the cycle currently so that I can calm down. Because coming back in January after the holidays, I was like, fuck, I need a job. I need a fucking job. Like, how's that? going to happen. But don't you ever sit back and go, God, I have millions of dollars now.

I don't, well, we are in different situations. I don't live on. Hang on, hang on, hang on. I don't live on. I looked up your net worth on Wikipedia. How's that? It just says it's probably not accurate. It's not. It's definitely not accurate. But you did take out of Valley for six years. I mean, you're not broke. What I'm trying to say is this. You don't have to work right away if you, if you don't want to. That is a good thing that I have, that I now have the luxury of experience. That's a great thing. Yes. Which is not. A lucky thing. It's an unusual thing for me in my, because this is the first time I've been on a show for more than two years.

So this is the first time you get to a point where you renegotiate and I'll have something sitting there. After each season, I've been without worry to like not work in between. Yeah, yeah. Right. That's not a luxury that anyone has that isn't independently wealthy from their parents or something. Right. And so to have created that for myself, it's very fortunate. And I'm just enjoying this.

for what it is. How hard are you on yourself? Do you get anxiety? Do you, are you a quick learner with, I always ask this to people. You're quick learning with your lines. Are you someone who stresses about performance? Was I good enough? Or do you let things go?

Do you watch yourself? A lot of questions here. But overall, it's that feeling of just, are you really confident about things? Or do you, are you just as insecure as anybody else? It depends. On Silicon Valley, it was real difficult to learn the monologues that I have. Oh, man. Yeah, those lines.

IT shit. Because it's all foreign. It's speaking French. Yeah, like lines like, I like the sound of you chortling on my ball sack. No, no, that one's easy. Got that. That was easy. Or maybe spoken by a 280 pound pile of shit.

Is that hard to memorize? That one, that one I get. I didn't know you weighed that much. Just jokes. There are jokes in the show. It was, yeah, I know. The one telling you. No, I was talking.

The ones that are difficult are like all the tech mumbo. jumbo jargon which especially this last season and there was one week where I worked like usually and maybe you've had different experiences but I can't say in this business I've really worked much because most of the time it's very plush it's you know the the the worst it gets is the crunch of doing an independent movie where you have no money no budget and you're trying to get a day You're trying to get your eight, nine, ten pages in a day. That's the hardest. We don't have time for two or three takes.

Martin Warner. We got it. We have to, you know, we don't have time for this because we need three or four takes for something else later today. That's more important. And that's, it's all like scheduling stuff. But this, there was one week that we were, our schedule was manipulated because of Coomail had other obligations.

And so his schedule was shifted. And that, and that shifted our entire. our schedule. And so there's one day I was on three and a half hours of sleep. And that was the day that I had the biggest fucking monologue of this season. And I just had so much trouble. Were you terrified? I, no, I just felt bad. I just felt unprofessional. Were they upset with you? No one was upset. No, I like, that's usually the case. If you're mostly, if you're mostly professional, but in our heads, it also, like it was my brain couldn't function. They say that you shouldn't drive if you've had less than

five hours sleep, four hours sleep? Because it's the equivalent of being drunk. And your brain just isn't firing on all cylinders. Right. And they were fortunate. I was fortunate. They sent a car. So I didn't drive that day. But I had to do other things that I couldn't do drunk. And this was one of them was say a page and a half. It was three pages, I think, total with little bits that other people were doing in between. But there were massive, massive, incoherent, monologues were you getting anxiety were you getting a little tingly feeling like oh my god oh my god i'm fucking up i'm fucking up yeah for sure yeah like nervous like this sucks i'm not an actor i'm not good i'm gonna get fired this is why i shouldn't act just get me through the scene i'm done because that's

what goes through my fucking mind i made those jokes i didn't feel i mean this is our final season so i wasn't like i'm gonna get fired yeah but i made those jokes because that feels that makes me feel come more comfortable um but it it was it was more i was i just kind of felt we've all been there just guilted loads of times i just felt like honestly like here i am fucking living yeah whatever dude i honestly said that this to a director because he was asking me to do something like these are the hardest things that happen in my life like i've lived in a pretty fucking but they are terrifying it is i have asked the director i go listen man i'm thinking about getting an earwig earwig?

Yeah. I'd like to because you don't see it. I know Robert Downey Jr. wears one. And I'd love to just have one and someone just throw the lines at me so I never have to worry about lines because lines always fucking scare the shit

I do it. I don't give a shit as long as distract everybody else. I'm going to say, how about, you know, Q cards? I mean, look, I'm just saying to make it easier when it's those big days where it's like, you know, if you have a big monologue,

I can do it twice if you just fucking, you know, if I don't have to fucking or you could be a professional I don't have the gift Like certain actresses Who are actors who have been on here Kristen Bell There's certain actors who go

Oh yeah I could learn it in the fucking I know you worked with her I could learn it in the trailer I'm like I can't fuck you He's the sweetest I mean her brain It's genius

It's far more gifted than mine But I think also it helps How much she does those kinds of things Like those exercises Just build that muscle The more you do it And she's constantly working She's constantly

Doing everything that she can And she does music too So she's, like, learning new songs and just kind of... She doesn't stop. She just doesn't stop. You know what's funny? She has a motor that... I don't envy her.

I love her. Yes. And I think she's one of the most... I don't envy that schedule. For example. For sure. Genius. Great, all that...

I'm throwing every compliment out of her. All I'm saying is, I never want to work that much. I don't know how someone... I don't know. I don't get it. For me... I'm not envy... Yeah, I agree with you.

I'm not envious in the schedule. But her talent, I wish I could sing so badly. I wish I could sing so badly. It would be the coolest thing to be able to sing. Look, if I could sing, I have an album out, you could sing. Uh-huh. Hey, for freaks and geeks, you, I heard this. You might deny it, that you bulked up for freaks and geeks for something.

And the producer said no. So then you had, at the gym locker scenes, you wore a robe. I had to wear a robe, yeah. Were you upset about it? No, I don't care. Franco and I were working out at the gym on the lot, which, what was the lot that we were at? It's right across from Paramount. You know what I'm talking about?

I don't think so. It's been there for so long. I forget the name of it at the moment. Anyway, you're working out with Franco. Franko and I were working out at the gym. It was a bad idea. I shouldn't have been working out. It certainly wasn't professional.

Why wasn't a professional? Oh, because it wasn't in character. I mean, yeah, you're a little nerd. I was preparing for my personal life when I was going to have to do things for work. I'm getting in shape. What's wrong with that? You're telling me I can't get in shape? How dare you, Paramount?

Oh, no. They weren't... It was Judd. I mean, it was Judd, and Paul, I think they were just kind of... Did they come to your trailer? Hey, Martin. If I remember correctly, they just made fun of me when it happened. Really?

They weren't like, hey, drop down to 15s. No. And I wore the... So there's another episode where I'm the Bionic Woman, and I have a bra on. And there was this, there was part of it, which I think they cut out fully, where I'm shirtless. And I put all those things on, the bra and everything on. And instead of ever showing me shirtless, they just, it's just me in the bra, I think.

So it starts there so that you can't see as much of me being in any sort of shape. And, and that helped mitigate my muscles. Does that bother you? No, I had nothing to, I still was a virgin for long after that. Really? Yeah. Why were you not a virgin? What year, what year and how old were you?

2012? No. Well, I mean, you know. It was, uh, it was the spring of, Uh, yeah, 1990, oh, no, it was 2002, I guess it must have been. 2002? 2004. So you were 22, 22 years old?

I'd been with my girlfriend for two months, I want to say. Was it a good experience? Uh, yeah. It was. Yeah. And then you got used to it. I was in love. At some point, I was like, it didn't happen yet.

I want to make sure that it's meaningful. And so I waited for it. to be meaningful and I was with my girlfriend of a few months and we ended up being together for a year and then it didn't kind of feel right but there was something that and so we ended breaking out but uh yeah it all worked out use a condom at 22 for the first time i did not i think she was on the control she was controlling her cruise control yes right um if i remember correctly but you know what i actually we we might have it first okay but yeah Well, Rob.

Anyway, yeah, what kind of details to you? I didn't know this was that kind of podcast. What else do you want to know? How about you, huh? This is fun. So, look, everything started happening, and, you know, obviously this is, you know, the part of the conversation where it doesn't mean anything. No, it does.

Of course he does. But you did. You went to knocked up. Judd started using you for things. He didn't use everybody. There's, like, some of the actors in that he never used again, and I've never seen, right? Yeah, I guess that, I mean, that because it wasn't everyone from undeclared and it wasn't everyone from freaks and geeks

that did knocked up it was kind of like our group of friends and i guess jonah was in there yeah it was just kind of like our little group of friends all came together to be seth's friends in that movie and it all felt natural and do you still are you close with judd um could you call him up right now go hey just it's been a while i bet if i did call him up he would answer and we could like grab lunch or something but i i guess i just have never thought to i like him i i mean i whenever i see him and i'm incredibly grateful for the opportunity that he's given me and and and how much care he gave to making the set that especially freaks and geeks was kind of conducive to our growth too like protecting us and and um that was he was he really put everything

into making it the best environment for us as young people. Maybe you just, you get lunch and it goes, oh yeah, Martin, of course. I love Marty. He's so talented. I'll put him in the next thing. Just a reminder. I'm Martin. Here I am.

I don't have relationships like that. You don't care about that. I don't think that wouldn't be my motivation for it. Well, of course, not motivation, but it's like, hey, he's a friend. I've worked on movies when I want to see him. And a little reminder that I'm still there are times where I want to be more like that, like more minded. Opportunistic is the bad word.

That'd be the bad word of it, but that's not what I'm saying. But that's not a bad word. It depends on the opportunity. If you like someone, you're like, whatever. Hey, I remember I called a friend who's doing a movie and I was just like, hey, how's going on?

Is there anything in that for your buddy, your, uh, Rosie? I don't give a shit. It's a friend. If I have a connection, why wouldn't I use it? And it's up to him how he takes that energy. But, and, and, I mean, I hear stories too here and there of people who are in Judd's world, who are incredibly talented

and they should work nonstop and for whatever reason they don't and they have the same bluntness with their words and it ends up working out that they get to be in things that they should be in anyway. Right. So I see nothing wrong with that.

It just isn't a world in which I feel, it's not a way in which I feel comfortable operating. And when James and Seth, do you still talk to those guys? I just saw Seth a week ago. He has a pottery. He has three. pottery wheels at his place and what I went over and did pottery

I've never done pottery that seems pretty cool I've done it a few times The soothing? It's the best Does it really take your mind off life for a minute It's meditative, it's great doing something with your hands You know what else I did which is incredible and I really enjoyed it I got very into kitchen knives Like Japanese kitchen knives?

All kinds of kitchen knives Don't Japanese make the best? German steel is meant to be one of the best Japanese knives are rather incredible but I think those are almost infamous because of sushi Do you have a lot of these knives at home?

I've got a lot of knives. If you had one set of knives to say, hey, you should get this if you want a really good set of steak knives and all around a good set of knives, what set is that? I made my own kitchen knife. Come on. Star knives.

I don't think that'll be a thing. Maybe it will. But I have thought about getting, like, if I'm not working, going and focusing on something like Seth is making at his house. There's a giant table full of all the pottery that they've made, him and his wife, Lauren. And then outside is a ton more work that's in progress. And then in their garage is just everywhere, things like mid-process.

And it's so much more than you could, like nobody needs more than a few ashtrays. How many rooms do you have in your house? And he easily has like 50 ashtrays. I'm sure he's got plans to do something with them. But I'm just like kitchen knives I could make for a while. But then what am I going to start doing? Like at some point I'm going to have more kitchen knives than I'll ever use in my lifetime. Then they just become gifts.

And I start giving, hey, good to see you. Mike. I brought you this knife. Oh, great. Thank you for having me on your podcast. Yeah, yeah. That, I don't know. But I like this.

I like the pottery stuff because I like the knives. Because what do we do, Ryan? On Friday night, I have people come over, and what do we do? Art night. Art night. Fartnight. I'm terrible. Well, that too.

All right. But I'm terrible with that. But it's, you're present, you're focused. You're just, like, enjoying things. You don't have to be great. Is it paint? Is it specific art? Is it painting?

Watercolors, uh, what? No, you just sort of bring a thing and just draw whatever's, uh, whatever pastels. Whatever's in your heart. Yeah. Sometimes those, like, themes, like if you want to, but it doesn't matter. Some people go, like, I don't want to do that theme because I'm not an artist. That's one thing.

it's one thing where when I do it I can just go I don't have to be great at it I don't have to be good I'm just going to do it and get lost in it and that really helps my mind it gives me a little piece and so I started having art nights probably about six months ago I'm the least talented I have everybody and again that's not what it's about if I if I made it out you would have a new bottom uh well I hope so you got it maybe you can do the KC emblem on no there's actually a dinosaur fucking a robot that I'm working on painting right now dinosaur fucking a robot so I'll bring that over and work on it. Is that true? Yeah, my buddy painted it on my wall. I needed a real pick me up. This is, I forget why I was depressed, but he came over to cheer me up and he painted a dinosaur fucking a robot on my wall. Did it cheer you up? And it made me so happy. And so now I'm painting it on a toolbox for him, a wood working tool. I think that should be a, uh, a TV show, like on Spike TV or something, a dinosaur fucking a robot. Dino bots. I feel like it is, that was a show. Was that a show, but they weren't fucking robots. No.

You got a point. I didn't get a Dino bot, though. Oh, my man. All right, this is from patrons. I have this Patreon thing, and these are from patrons asking questions for you. Quick, laser-like. It's called shit talking with Rosenbaum. Okay.

Do you charge them to ask you questions? No. Isn't that how Patreon works? No, they just join if they want to, if they want to be, help, you know, towards the podcast. They like it. They want some behind-the-scenes footage. They want, like, Q&A, special things that only they get. So they can do whatever they want.

you don't have to join it but they join it and they love it people love it's really cool so shit talking with Rosamil here it is who's your Angie who's your favorite

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that's my god Gonzo talked uh hey there I don't remember I'm gonna do it Sophie M do you have any great stories from a set of Roswell

oh that's where you know what no great I probably do. It just takes too much to dredge on the matter. A better question is, quickly, yes or no, do you believe in extraterrestrials?

Yeah. I mean, we're not the only life form in the universe. Do you think they're walking around amidst all that? Oh, that I don't. No. Okay. You know have to answer that right now. They've probably made some sort of contact with our planet.

I don't know what that means. I can't, like... Roswell, hello. I mean, if I had that level of clearance, I would immediately go to Roswell just to know what's going on Jason D which actor would make you

laugh the most in the set of knocked up Jay Jay and I would um Jay Barichelle and I would drive

to work together on many occasions and we just had a hoot we had a real hoot because he didn't have a car out here and he's from Montreal and he just also didn't like driving

so I'd pick him up when we'd drive to work together um on occasion it's nice of you Jerry W recently watched intruders

oh yeah which we enjoyed what was it like to play such an intense character fun a good departure from the other stuff that i do i like playing a killer i think you can do that pretty well it was i enjoyed it yeah i could see it in your eyes set right you want you're you're great at playing nerds or assholes or this but when you get to play a little bit deeper and do your shit yeah there's i definitely have that i can i feel like because what i learned initially was improv it just it taught me to act kind of inside out and really just find something like

tap into parts of myself that feel authentic and natural to whatever it is and there we all have all of those things and I think it helped me just maintain contact with those so I can use them if I need them and that was really fun to just be a real piece of shit who is a real Pizier chat. Andrew C. How jealous are you of Camel's, I said that right, Camel? Yeah, Camille. Camille Nangiani's abs. Be honest, this is a safe space. Yeah, I mean, I'd take some abs if you're handing them out. Good body. Yeah, he's put a lot of work into his body and it's paid off. Lucas, was he, I'm gluten-free. I'm dairy-free.

He was doing the paleo. Paleo. Is it paleo? I don't know. Canisio? Keto. Keto. He was doing the keto diet, which, Initially, I think he put on a fair amount of weight and muscle, and then keto just rips all the fat off because you start using fat as an energy source. And you're not eating carbs. You're just eating proteins and fats and things. And so the way that your body, the energy that your body consumes isn't calories in the same? It's not carbs anymore. We all use carbs for energy.

You really learned about this. You start using fat for energy. Like your body shifts. So it's probably eating late in the morning. Don't eat right away. And then I think he also does that. There you go. All right.

Lucas, Sam, are you as cynical and complex as your character's persona in Silicon Valley? Cynical, yeah, for sure. We all got that, right? Yeah, but you're not as much as a dick. You know what I realized when we, because we would do a lot of Q&As for Silicon Valley. And I realized. You become that character? No, well, when I was myself, the audience didn't respond as well.

So, so then if I would just turn that up, that part of the dial up a little bit, they loved it. Rating the audience. just like I was like oh wait you don't want me you want us all to like come up here and be our character and like fuck it yeah they don't get that I'd rather get a laugh and enjoy this experience than like share some part of my soul with strangers who don't really care

Matthew jay what are your favorite gilfoil invoke joke from silicon valley if you had to pick my favorite has to be the let blaine die chart oh that is a good one I think the dick joke goes down all time is one of the one of the most fun ones what was it again we're all just fucking yeah like how fast could you jerk off a whole room full of dudes and then kumail and i actually went and presented at like

the smart people awards i forget where it i forget what it was actually called but it was like geniuses like actual scientific geniuses yes like just people who were changing the planet changing the way that we live here and we were giving an award we were we were like going up and and we were going over our uh speech or like our back and forth kumel and i on our on our way up on the flight to san francisco and we're like let's let's just scrap all this and we'll improvise a thing where we do the dick joke but like in this room how long would it take for us to do to jack off everyone in this room it didn't go over very well but it was so fun to watch that joke bomb it was so rewarding you didn't get nervous at all

yeah not really like once you're up there no one else is funny you're at a smart people convention you just went okay bud the emphasis isn't humor right um so it makes sense that it also makes sense that it bombed Lisa last three questions favorite memory from freaks and geek set it's just too many I mean I lose your favorite like the one person you just gravitated towards it's like i just i just want to be around this guy john and i are close set and i ended up living together after the show was done and we got we were very close um jason and i were close for a bit and now it's been so long i don't i don't i think linda is easily the person that everyone just kind of gravitates she's amazing i love linda she just has such a

huge heart and as she was she always felt like an older sister in in such an incredible comforting sweet caring way she's great angelinea g what direction do you think or what have like to see freaks and geeks go had it taken had i been able to continue and that's hard this is a question from angeline jolly um angelina g wow wow uh well angie i mean that's a hard one let's uh well they had already talked about it. So why don't you go look that up, Angie? Yeah, Angie. Come on, Angelina G. Lee. They talked about me being a sports, like a sports guy, like going into, like, are the

geek squad separating? Because I was working out, like actually working out behind the scenes. They were like, oh, we'll put him into like, he'll become an athlete and like not get why he's now disconnected from his geek buddies, like, why they've turned on him. And he'll be accepted into the jock group. And it'll, and it'll like just. I think that was the shift that they were going to make season two or three. It could have been fun and you could have worked out.

It would have been crazy. Right. It really would have been a weird turn too because I think in some ways that character, Bill was a heart, like such a deeply heartfelt part of the geek stories.

So to like lose that, like what, it changes such a huge dynamic. I don't know how you would really do that and keep the show. I think you could because you have these guys like you're like, they're on the side.

sort of like going can't believe it like does he even know who he is he's going to come back begging us to be our friend again what is he doing these people don't care about him they don't it's that whole dynamic you know i think that's what it would have been and then all of a sudden one day you wake up and season three now you're back with the geeks yeah i'm really missed you guys what happened while i was gone i don't know you got big and stupid uh last one mary b what kind of advice do you have for the actual freaks and geeks of the world just be true to you And the world will catch up. Yeah.

And especially nowadays, I think geeks and they're cooler than, you know. You got it. But it's also like you're raw. Like the things that make you a geek are the things that make you great. Yeah. That's my take on it. Well, this has been fantastic. It was deep.

I hope you had fun. Did you have fun? Yeah. Yeah, right? It was great catching up with you. It was, man. Last time we hung out, I think you played a. football with us yeah i came out and uh you had like actual like college football guys who

dominated you played well i did not but you can play football you're you're athletic yeah i could throw the ball a little bit but every like everyone there was like real athletes like oh we played a one something whatever a one refers to i don't know but did you get hurt no did you have fun yeah yeah really nice yeah everyone's very nice yeah what's your instagram handle all that jazz no it's just my name just martin star with two r yep right martin star at martin And as long as we're talking, you know, about the import. Me, Michael Rose, the bomb. I think I everybody was it.

Hey, man, thank you for allowing me to be inside you. This was a real treat. I really had fun. I'm glad you came in. You ended all like that, huh? Thanks for letting me be inside you. Usually. Yeah, that's your big ending.

That was a throwaway that time, though. Yeah, I didn't let it linger. I wasn't going to let you throw that one away. Yeah? But listen, I want you to come to Ronald McDonnell house at me sometime. I absolutely will. And I want to hang out with you again. I was going to say it off the microphones as soon as we were done I thought about.

Good. I'm glad. Thanks for being so honest, because people out there, you wouldn't think it, but they, you've probably helped someone out there. Just the relationship with your family and losing your father and all these things that make us human and we have to deal with in life. And it really, it's nice to see you just open up and tell your stories. Absolutely. All right, man. Thank you.

Martin's just a good guy. He was open. He just talked about things. And I always, you know, sometimes, most of the time I feel pretty comfortable, but he made me feel really comfortable. There's times where you feel like you just ask someone anything Because I really think he knew the show Whereas like maybe he didn't listen to it all the time Or even listen to it

But he knows that it's helping people And they know that people are getting something out of it So if he shares a story Somebody out there is listening going I can relate to that And that's what it's all about Have your parents listened to it? They have

They hated it No, they just Jesus Christ you're laughing No because the one I told them listen to Because I really liked it was the Joe La Trulio one But I forgot for the first 10 minutes you talked about colonoscopy movies and shitting yourself. Well, you're telling me to watch this.

Listen to this, Ryan. So they didn't like it. No, they enjoy it. They don't have to lie to me. You can tell me the truth. They didn't enjoy the shit part. They were the shitting. The shitting.

They were turned off by that. My mom has a mug. I gave it. She has that at work, the one that says. Yeah. Great. We got tons of shirts and mugs left. We got left on laurel shit here.

Big shout out to my patrons. Here we go. You know who you are. I love these guys. And by the way, if you join Patreon, it's helping the show. Like, whatever it is, a little something. And people always say, I'm sorry, can only give $5 or a dollar.

Just you guys subscribing on YouTube and on the platform, just subscribing to the show is enough. This is just icing that just sort of, you know, helps because we're not like a, we're growing. We're growing. So here are the patrons, top tier patrons, Allison, Andrew, Angelina, Barry Bob, Bob. We didn't have a last name for one of those Bob's, Bob and Bob. Bordex Chris Dian Emily and Emily

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Oh my God you're so kind And like of course we love the We love it Um, again, if you love the podcast, subscribe on YouTube and subscribe on all the platforms if you want to listen on the way of work. It really helps. Hit that notification bell so you're notified. Spread the word. Um, and that's it tomorrow night, uh, stage it with me and the boys left on Laura. I'll go to stage at 7 p.m. I'll be in Mexico this weekend. And remember, Austin, Texas, March 31st. I'm interviewing Zach Levi at the North Door. First show sold out,

but there's still tickets for the second one. Check on my Twitter, Instagram. Uh, you'll find it. Also, Zach posted it, it's going to be fantastic. You know, Camp Rosie's around the corner, so look for that. I'm going to read a little fan letter because I always like to read fan letters. This is from Chris from Orlando. Michael, I admit, late to the party, I didn't know you even had a podcast until Stephen Emel tweeted about his recent experience with having to return to finish an episode with you.

Being a huge fan of Arrow in Smallville, I figured there was no way I'd be disappointed. After listening to two episodes, I was hooked. You're by far my favorite talk show host. Am I a talk show host now? You are. Well, how about an actor, writer, and podcast guy? This is a talk show, and you are the host of it. Thank you.

I don't know how you crack the code. I can only assume the lack of cameras and your demeanor bring out the vulnerability in people. Although, Chris, now we have cameras, but we're still getting people to open up. I'm now listening to everything from the beginning. You're making people I've never thought twice about. about into compelling and complex individuals that I'm eager to learn about. Thank you for showing what podcast really can be if they are given the proper care and respect. Keep up the great work.

You've got another dedicated fan that will happily spread the word, Chris Orlando, Florida. That's awesome. That is really awesome. You know, I think that's really nice to hear when people are like, eh, and then they listen and they're like, you know, I like, and they just support it and you're doing something right. I definitely feel like I'm doing something right. I mean, we're doing something right here, Ryan. I think so.

We're not trying to just be funny. We're not trying to be, we're just talking to people. Yeah. Not hurting anyone. No, I don't think we're hurting anymore. I mean, some interviews, I'm sure I hurt people's ears. Guys, I can't thank you enough for your, your loyalty. Ryan, Ryan's working very hard in the video.

He's getting it down. Give him some love, show up. Even say Ryan, great job on the editing. Or Ryan, you made a mistake. He'll love that. That's my favorite. He'll love hearing that. Thank you.

much for allowing me to be inside of each and every one of you. Until next week, uh, if you're not inside, you're outside. Jesus. I just, I just wanted to say something stupid. All right, guys. We'll see you. Hi, I'm Joe Saul C. Hi, host of the stacking Benjamin's podcast today. We're going to talk about what if you came across $50,000. What would you do? Put it into a tax advantage retirement account. The mortgage. That's what we do. Make a down. payment on a home. Something nice.

Buying a vehicle. A separate bucket for this edition that we're adding. $50,000, I'll buy a new podcast. You'll buy new friends. And we're done. Thanks for playing, everybody. We're out of here. Stacky Benjamin's, follow and listen on your favorite platform.