Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - MATT JONES: Family Over Fame, Breaking Bad Anxiety & Typecast Exhaustion

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

Matt Jones (Breaking Bad, Mom) joins us this week to share how growing up in a tumultuous household shaped him into a devoted family man who prioritizes his family over fame. Matt talks candidly about the dichotomy between who he prides himself to be versus the offbeat, aloof characters he gets typecast as. We also talk about the anxiety he experienced at the height of Breaking Bad, our thoughts on the current state of the entertainment industry, and the powerful work he’s done through therapy to heal his past. Thank you to our sponsors: 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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There's so many podcasts, Ryan. What? There's not that many. It was a lot. Are you sure? But hey, I was here. I haven't checked in a one. For years, Ryan, we've been doing this show before all the, you know, podcast, the influx or whatever you call it, you know.

We've been doing this and I hope you're enjoying it. Boom. Yeah. If you're here for Matt Jones, then you came to the right place. And if you're not here for me, that's fine. But if you like the interview, all I ask is you subscribe and write a review if you really dig it because I think you'll like a lot of these interviews. And yeah, at Talkville, sorry, at Inside of You podcast on Instagram and Facebook and Twitter is at Inside of You pod, right? Uh-huh. Correctamundo.

Lot going on. Ryan, how's the mental health? How are we doing? How are we holding up? We're all right. We're all right. Yeah, I've been in a little bit of a rut. I'm not going to lie to you. Yeah. I had a lot of things. I mean, it's just going on this morning. And you did too. So we're both in the same state. You know what happened? It's like I woke up and it's like I was just on the computer. I think the body and this is advice I'm going to give you. And I'm giving myself because I just experienced it. First thing in the morning. Do not touch your phone. Get up. Make a cup of coffee. shower, whatever you need to do, 30 minutes at least after you wake up then. Because what you're doing, you're immediately, when you turn on your phone, you're going to get stressed.

Got to do this. Got to do that. This, I got to respond to this person. Don't touch your phone. It really helps. I'm telling you. And I was on the computer right away. And I made a mistake.

And I was exhausted. I forgot to take my, you know, morning pills. and I took the dogs for a walk and I was just like exhausted and I was like I got this guy coming over for a podcast and now I'm I'm a little better but um but a lot of lots been on my mind too in the last week you know I've got my own demons we all do so you got to do the best you can but you know therapy that's when you talk to somebody yeah I mean you guys were talking well you were talking to somebody today about meditation yeah you know what it does work I can honestly I could help you with that. We'll talk about it after. But Transcendental Meditation, I went to a place and learned how to do it. And it really does help.

It's like just like your thoughts. It's like, they're just thoughts and breathing and letting them go. And then new thoughts come in and letting them go until maybe you could just feel like your mind's less cluttered. Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah.

So it does help. so there you go uh if you want more information on me at the michael rosenbaum on instagram uh there's a link tree it's got cameos and all the cons that i'm going to and uh in the inside of you online store with tons of cool merch and um so yeah also rosy's puppy fresh breath isn't great um put a cap full of rosy's pup fresh puppy fresh breath in your dog's water and it's odorless tasteless and your dog's breath will be great and they won't even know it So, and I heard that Latin America is going to buy The Talented Farter, which my book is on Amazon, The Talented Fartter, if you want to get a copy, but they're going to come out with a Spanish version.

Very bien. See. See. I'm very excited about it. I thought, wow, that's cool. I want one of those books. I think that's charming. Como do you say fart in Españo?

Rostito? Really? I don't know. Pato? Pado? I think it's PEDO. PEDO. PEDO.

I don't know. It could be wrong. If you're Spanish speaking or listening, don't listen to me. Great show today. I hope you're going to enjoy it. And thanks for listening. And if you want to join Patreon and support this podcast, it's all up to you. But if you're enjoying it and you want to get back, patreon.com slash inside of you.

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Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. I spent, well, this morning besides getting my daughter ready for school and getting her fed and out the door. Her fentanyl? Fentanyl. She takes fentanyl every morning. What did you say? Her fed and out the door. I shoot my daughter up with fentanyl before school.

It's really good for three-year-olds. But as I was doing it, I was like putting together this like, playlist no music montage photo album thing for the kids my son's uh team last night won the third championship that they've played baseball yeah like it was a big deal he's very good are you to live vicariously through him i am already i've been coaching his teams and um yeah he's nine and uh we won a big championship last night did you feel good about it so good is it is it in it's something that like your whole life you know especially in this business in hollywood you know it's all about you it's this about me success and this and then all of a sudden you're coaching

little league baseball and you're feeling the same feeling or better i'd say it's better i feel way more coaching baseball more fulfilled being a part of my son's like happiness yeah than anything i've ever done did you ever think that would be the case no of course weren't you terrified when you first had your, you know, had your first child? No, you know what? I actually wasn't. Really? No, because I knew I couldn't.

I was, I knew I wasn't going to be as bad as my parents. Well, we could talk about that. I was like, I think I'm going to be fine. Is that what you, were you fearing? Did you feel like, oh, my parents weren't great, so I'm not going to be great or I'm going to do everything they didn't do? It's not that they weren't great. were just really young and had no and had pretty rough parents themselves i mean let's be honest

and uh they just didn't know what they were doing and i had started having kids in my 30s and i was on a tv show so i had a bit of money and like i didn't i wasn't scared i wasn't terrified right i was like excited and i stayed that way with both my kids but the fulfillment part did you ever feel like i can't believe this little thing that i've created part of me created is making me feel this way like changing me yeah i mean there's no way of describing how big a feeling that is to anybody who doesn't have kids and it's really what about a dog i have dogs yeah uh i love these like honestly my dog has to have surgery and i will cry i am i love my dogs like nothing else so times that by I love my dogs I have dogs too I had a big 100 pound golden lab if I even think

or talk about him too much I start crying because he was like the best dog ever I would step over his dead body a billion times to make in either of my kids feel just a little bit better isn't that something yeah like like it's just yeah I could see you're kind of like oh man I just love these I do I love my kids so much that I think it's ruined my career you think well I just don't give a shit about right there your career isn't really so much a priority they're your purpose yes yes i don't give a shit about this business i mean i i love it to an extent you want to work you want to work i want to do all that but i am not basing my happiness in this business like my happiness is my family yeah you know it took me a long time to figure that out because you

a lot of times i feel like you're doing what people expect you to do what your agents want you to do um you're trying to prove yourself it's a constant battle it's it's like look at me am i good enough am i all these things that really don't matter that you just hyper focus on and then one day it sort of hits you it's like hey man i don't really need that much to be happy no also like we grew up in the 80s of this time of like you know wall street remember the movie like greed is good and you had all these people being uh it was the first time you'd hear about like oh i'm not going to have kids because i'm going to concentrate on my career you hear about that a lot in society and now you hear it more the opposite where people are like and not just the

entertainment industry just people in general especially during covid we're like you know my career cannot be everything no and and now that our business is that our business is pretty broken at the moment. Yeah. I know a lot of people who didn't have kids to concentrate on the business. And they regret it. I don't know if they regret it, but they're just like, I'm leaving L.A. So many of my friends have left.

And they're just like, I got to figure out something else that isn't just this. You know what I mean? They don't have kids and it could be whatever it is. But there's just there's not enough. this business anymore to keep us all occupied well i think that like you know this goes for anybody out there who's working and you know some people love their job and they love their family and they live the good life but a lot of people don't like their jobs yes and they have to go every work every day to make you know enough money to support their family and you know you can't put yourself

in their shoes because it's you know i mean i guess you can because you have a family you know and you have to support them. But, you know, I always say, like, try to do something else if you can while doing the thing you don't like. So if you, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's like if you hate your job, but you come home to your family and you love your family and, you know, they're your peace.

They're your anchor. It's great. But I think that, you know, it's important to find the other things. Like, I hadn't traveled in five years, really, unless I went to convention. or something like that and boy what a vacation does to you uh by day three you start to relax and all of a sudden you're like i'm actually enjoying life and you're you i guarantee you're like me where you're like i let's see if i get a job there and then that'll be then i'll add on to it yeah and you're like waiting to travel to places until you get hired there yeah and then it's work

then it's what am i doing? Vancouver for me was work for seven years it really was it was like you know I had to work I had you know it wasn't I was just a vacation but you know to just take a beat like that's why I say like to my friends all the time guys let's go let's go somewhere let's do something and a lot of my friends like yeah you know they got their things they got their lives and nobody it's like I'm like well I guess me and my girlfriend are going you know trying to get the group together because like life's memories and like I'm 53 here and I'm thinking how many good you

years do I have left because I ask my great you look great well thanks did you have you done your like biological age thing uh no pretty fun I just did this thing called function health it's not that Instagram thing where the numbers go up and you stop it looks at your face and you're like you're 60 I'm like fuck you no no no it's uh called function health and they like it's like 500 bucks but they do like a hundred and 15 different blood tests on you they take all these all these all these files and you they can do biomarkers of like if you're going to develop uh alzheimer's and your thyroid panel and like like an extended panel not just like kind of the bullshit that uh just your physical does per year and it's just really extended and uh what your age 33 and you're

43 really yeah why do you think that is do you think i think a big part is uh your genetics no it's my wife my wife is makes you healthy yes how so she's an incredible cook and she cooks healthy food all the time and she's always like if i'm sitting around she's like go for a hike it makes you happier you know what i mean like i just my life got so considerably better when i met her i lost like 30 pounds so she cooks your wife cooks for you she cooks healthy foods well she's not like a saint she cooks for herself and me and you you know what i mean yes yes she's a very she's a actress as well very uh successful um and she uh hager gorgeous yeah christin hager christin hager very pretty very talented

gorgeous woman you're in love uh yeah uh i would hope so you have three children uh her and i have one you have one but you have two from before and i have one for one so i have two total um you're supposed to have each kid with a different woman that's the way you're supposed to have each kid with a different woman. That's the way. Yeah, that's the Hollywood way. You know, I think that's, that's the way to go. But then me and my ex are still very good friends. And my ex and my wife are good friends now. How important is that? And I love my ex's husband. I think he's really awesome. What a treat, man. And the four of us all work together to screw with my son's head constantly. It's awesome. How are you? How lucky are you? Because most people are like, oh, my fucking ex, uh, you know,

I got to deal with this and I got to deal with that. And I got to deal with that. And, why she's so nasty me i have so many friends who are like you know they'll they'll talk about their exes like yeah evil and i'm like i never wanted to be like that like if we're really i mean your your parents are divorced right yeah for 27 years yeah my mom's in a third marriage my dad's divorced twice but uh he went back with his yeah so my sister's been divorced four times nice do you know why i don't want to get married is there uh i'm a child of divorce and my mom was only married twice, but my dad, I think, four times. Yeah. You should marry my sister. But I just was not going to do it like I'd seen other people do it. Just wasn't going to do it that

way. If this didn't work out, you're not getting married again. If this? Yeah. No, no way am I getting married again. No. No. This either works or you know what. It's going to worry. It's working. It's working. Yeah. It's where we've gone past now that point of like, we're going to be other yeah like getting through COVID as a couple as that was hyper speed for anybody yeah five years was 10 yeah I mean you are on top of each other all the whole time yeah and then she got pregnant and all this stuff it was wild is that a big part of like not that but the first thing that came in my mind is when you're with someone 24-7 with them all the time um it should you should be cool with that you should like that right yeah like you like being around your wife all the time you don't

get bored around your wife i get bored but it's not because of her you know what i mean or it's because you're you're in your head or you're doing so i never like i don't like very rarely am i like i don't want to be around you and then then that just means i don't want to be around anybody and i just need for a run or something yeah but i'm never it's never like i don't want to be around her yeah because i've been dating this woman jack and uh over a year now and i'm around her all the time and i just it doesn't it's it's like part of me now it's like you know it's like i never think god i wish she wasn't here i just think oh i could do nothing with her or i could watch something shitty with her or we could take a nap or i could it just feels like i'm still living my life

but she's living it with me yeah you know it's it's it's cool and i haven't had a ton of relationships my main complaint is her and i don't get to spend enough time together anymore oh that's not my complaint just the kids and uh you know it's like we're just so tired all the time like as much as i talk about loving my kids i slept i'm fucking exhausted i slept like three hours last night because my daughter was up and kicking me and that was let me ask you are you on your phone before you go to bed no do you get off your phone like an hour before yeah i try to that's what i try to do too yeah and i try to not to get it on it until i fed the dogs got my coffee sit at my computer so a good 30 to 45 minutes after i really try to do that yeah i think that's important there's like

little habits i'm trying to get into that are just like you know but i there's there's a lot of things i need to change because i feel like i wake up i eat too much popcorn in night popcorn man but i pop it myself it's like a oh no i love it's olive oil yeah it's gonna mess your stomach up well it doesn't mess my stomach up so much is it just i feel like shit when i wake up yeah it's all the salt corn is tough on your stomach of everybody's stomach that's why you pass it you know what i mean yeah it's like i see you later corn yeah the way the corn it's not soluble like other things so that's why you shit out corn right you know so if you eat a ton of corn that that could overactivate your system and keep you kind of awake.

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Look, you've done a lot of stuff. You're always working. Your face people recognize. You're like me in a lot of ways. We're like, I know that guy. Yeah. But they don't know my name all the time. Yeah.

They know the same thing? just no character character like oh yeah breaking bad oh yeah mom oh yeah i've seen you on that yeah do you honestly like being recognized uh would you rather not be recognized but still have fame so much i don't know that that changes to be honest because i'll go through months where i'm like i don't want to be recognized and then i go through months where i'm like that's nice yeah it just depends on the situation on like I used to get right I'm just so specific I have this voice I'm a tall goofy looking guy I was so specific I used to get recognized I did a bunch of commercials this is pre-breaking bad and I would get stopped and so I'd be like oh I saw that

commercial one be like oh that's fantastic I love that and then breaking bad at this point where it was like such a big thing. And I started getting really anxious about it. Really? Why? Like you just didn't have a freedom of some... Well, every room I walked into, people were looking at me. And I already thought everyone hates me. You know what I mean?

Like... Everyone hates mad. You know, like, and I started going to every room and everywhere and people are like whispering about you. And you're like the level of fame. did not equal the level of money I had like at all right they're not paying you much oh god no we're just getting paid top of the show or whatever even less than that for some episodes we're getting day rates for some episodes so you know you look at somebody like yourself

yeah from the outside you're like he's on one of the biggest shows ever this guy is making $100,000 an episode this guy's making i'm telling you uh for characters like yourself yeah you know You're lucky if you make $5, $10,000 something, you know. On the history of Breaking Bad, I made more doing two episodes of a sitcom than I did on the history of Breaking Bad. Isn't that something? Yeah. But residually, does that happen with streamers? There's been some off and on for years.

But it's nothing. It's not big. It's been mainly Netflix. But you do cons, too. Not really. If only ever done two. Yeah? Yeah.

See, with me with fans is. I love it. I think it's cool. I'm happy to see people. I'm like, oh, thanks, man. As long as,

you know, most people are cool. Yeah. I think where I, if I had a choice not to have people recognize me, it would be when I'm karaokeing. Sure.

Or doing something where I'm making an ass of myself, which happens. I love it when I get, I'll say, I love getting recognized in karaoke because that means I'm performing and I want you to recognize me. See, I go nuts. What's your go to karaoke?

you song. Oh, I love proud Mary Tina Turner. Yes. I love pretty much anything sung by a older black woman. I would love for you to sing Private Dancer by Tina Turner. Oh, I could definitely do it. People go in these places and they act the same. Remember that one? Oh yeah, of course. See, you are in a Christian ska band. That is not true. Damn, I was so excited. No, that's my friends fucking with me. Was that on Wikipedia? Yeah, I guess. It was on something. But wait, so you play guitar. car okay so i was you're a musician yes so i was in uh i was that's funny um you can change things on wikipedia yeah and i have a group of friends that love to go in and change things on my page that's beautiful uh i i was at a band called faculty for it was not a christian scott band

what was it i was like almost worse like power punk you know like that like um post Blink 182 wave, late 90, or no, that during Blink 22 wave, that late 90s, when everybody played, we played like the Roxy and the key club and the whiskey and all that stuff and chain reaction in Orange County. Did you love it? We weren't very good, but I loved it. It was so much fun. Were you nervous going on stage?

Never. Did you play guitar too? Yes. So I was rhythm and then I would sing. That's what I am. So we have a, I have a band. We have a new album coming out, but it's like, but I'm terrified on stage, like, because that's not my playing music. I mean, I'm a decent rhythm guitarist. I write all the songs. You know, I,

I can play. But to sing and perform and have that, you know, not miss a note and doing all this shit, it just goes, I'm going to, I'm going to fuck up. I'm going to fuck this whole band up every time. I've done it. We've gone to places and, you know, like Roxy, not the Roxy, troubadour. Yeah, Roxy. I think we played at the Roxy, didn't we? Anyway, but it terrifies me. You like it. You liked it. Even though you thought you weren't good. This was like, yeah, I was young.

This was like 2000s. Yeah. I mean, yeah, literally the year 2000, 2001. So it's half your life ago. Yeah. More than that. And then I didn't do anything for a very long time. And then recently I've been writing songs with us like five, 10 years.

And I literally started recording a new album on last this past Monday. Are you serious? Yeah. And it's just me and a guitar. So I had done this show. That's vulnerable. My friend, Serena Fialo, had this, like, little talent show thing. She did at the Elysian Theater on the east side where she brought in all these actors to do talents that they've never shown anybody before.

And there's some really funny stuff. Like, they did this secretized dance from Full House. And this one girl who apparently went kind of far on the, um, uh, what's the, the Han Solo movie, her audition. Wasn't it called Solo? Yeah, solo on that movie. She lost to Amelia Clark, so she did her audition the way she would have done it, which was very funny.

This one guy, a very sweet young gay man, did a monologue that he had written in junior high about a farmer who loses his farm and his wife dies. And it was like this super dramatic monologue written by like that. That's funny. 11-year-old that he performed so perfectly. Oh, my God. So there's a lot of that stuff. I came and I was like,

Serena, do you mind if I play two songs? I haven't ever played this kind of stuff in front of anybody ever. Were you nervous? No. I don't know why. What?

So I'm more comfortable in front of a crowd than I am in front of just me and you. I can stand in front of a thousand people. I can't if I'm really prepared or if it's something to do with me or my personality or acting, but bring up a guitar and being the lead of a band is that that's a different thing for me. This was just me and a guitar and I just played just that two songs and the crowd was so

enthusiastically like wonderful to me. They came up to me afterwards and I was like, you got to record those songs. And I was like, okay. How about that? Yes, I've been writing songs for a while that I just never shown anybody. But again, like what we were saying before, I didn't do it for anybody. but me. I sat down and wrote songs because it was just fun for me. I'm not going to me. That's why you should do it. And that's why I do it. I write songs and I bring them to my lead

guitarist and I go, I don't know what you think. He's like, it's really good. I like it. Let's do a bridge. Let's make a bridge. Let me find the lead. Let me. And it's become so comfortable where I'm just, there's a song coming out that I go, no, I hate the song. We're not putting this on. It's not good. They're like, you know why you don't like it? Because it's really vulnerable. And it's about you. And I was like, okay? Yeah. And so I finally said, okay, we'll put it on the album.

But it's like, it's a vulnerable. So when I, because that's what happens to me. I start to write what I feel and that sometimes scares me. This group of songs is incredibly honest and raw and not about anything else. But it's very intense. Yeah. Self-deprecating at times. Yeah, sure. Yeah. But again, I'm not trying to be a rock star or famous. I don't give a shit. I just want to make good music. Yeah. That's how I feel. I just, it's I want to enjoy something because I don't enjoy anything artistically really that much anymore. Now, see, you say that and you said that in the beginning, do you honestly, if someone said, you know, gun to your head that you have to tell the truth, you have a lie detector. Do you like acting?

that's a great question isn't it so simple it's so simple but it's so hard to answer because i just i just don't feel like i've had the chance to really do it in a long time yeah to to to really show what you've got yeah like people think i'm a thing that i'm not uh i'm always some kind of loser drug dealer slash idiot savant but what i really am is like a dad who loves his kids and i don't know if i'll ever get to play that i think you will i think you absolutely will you'll you'll you'll get some show or something where you get to play that and it's not because you're so because you're you can be serious but you've got such a charm that's naturally about you that i think that that you know i think chuck lorry who's hired you in a couple of shows right yeah so he sees

it in you he's one of the biggest showrunners creators and not to say i didn't act on chuck shows i love chuck and his show right right but they weren't the parts that you yeah but it was like once you're on like a multi-cam and you're doing it away and you're acting in that way it does become kind of uh this is what you do and it's hard to explain but there's no like formulaic it's not formula it's just not hard it's not challenging to an extent i understand that and as an actor it's not supposed to be he doesn't want us to be having a hard time and they just do it what's hard about those shows is the writing and the words you know what i mean and that that's what's tough we just need to kind of be um vessels for it whereas when you say acting i'm like i just don't and i'm not saying

i need to do roles that are exactly like myself i'm not saying that either just something different I just haven't been like done something in a while where I was like, hey, I was really fucking good in that. I just haven't felt that a long time. I've, I 100% understand what you're saying because I've experienced it. And I think the last five years, I kind of took a break from acting except like doing little parts of my friend's movies, like just, you know, nothing things. And, you know, my friend's like, dude, why aren't you, you're good.

You should be. And it's not that I don't want to do it. It's not that I, it's that unless it's something that I really love and thank God, I'm able to, you know, from the jobs that, you know, and I love doing small, but I love doing a lot of things. But I was able to make enough where I don't have to wonder where my next check is coming from right now. So I'm like, I don't have to do just everything. and you know I want to do something that means something to me that I can have a sense of enjoyment sense of fun um playfulness um it could be intense but it has I just want it I don't want to do something that no one sees that I am not proud of sure that that's the goal and I know it's hard

yeah if you're proud of it and nobody sees it who cares yes but if I believe in it and I'm proud of it and I do it. Fuck yeah. Yeah, yeah. But, um, but I want to get myself the best chances of, you know, because I've been a, you know, there's been a few projects that, one of which became a huge show, one of the biggest. And I didn't do it. And I, and I have no regrets. I didn't want to do it. I didn't want to move to this place. I didn't want to play this character in, in this environment. I just didn't. So I have no regrets. It just, you know, that's a big part of, right now and being an adult in this business where it's like my wife was on Chicago Med as a series regular and she was living in Chicago and we were going back and forth back and

forth and my son is here and you know she's a big part of his life too and and then she got pregnant we're like this we can't do this like it's a lot of money but we can't do this like our life is more important you know it's just it's it's yeah it's it's tough it's tough i get it's a tough question man no i think i i know what you're saying you know what i i just did a job i can't i don't think i'm allowed to say what i did yet um drastic world no god no uh it's a tv show a very popular tv show and i um did a part at the end of this new season that's coming out oh that is like um leading into the next season if they get it. Right.

Anyhow, I had a lot of fun. I did a guest star where I'm like coming in as like a major kind of part of the storyline of the show. That was a lot of fun. See, that's good. But it was comedy. And I still sometimes when I'm doing comedy, I don't feel like I'm acting, if that makes sense. Right. So because you're an improviser, you, you know, with upright citizens were great.

you know improv olympic um and i did boom chicago in amsterdam yep yeah and didn't you also direct borderline i did i direct a tv show in um it's called borderline in england right in england yeah for a season that's the most fun i've ever had you want to direct again don't you so bad so write something yep you know it's i know it's easier so than done but like i'm at the point honestly where pitched a show didn't get bought passionate about it loved it was like wrote another show loved it everybody loved it i mean it was like and almost sold it didn't sell yeah just wrote another one just sent it out and it's like i asked myself how important is it for you to sell these things and make these things and then i

answered it honestly i go i know that i'll just keep writing and that's part of the fun and it's part of what I love to do and put something out there and feel, that makes me feel relevant. Not that it's sold and everyone sees it, but what makes me feel relevant is that I accomplished something, that I sat down with an idea and I went through with it and I wrote it and I'm proud of it and I'm handing it off and I'm not embarrassed by it. And that's enough for me, believe it or not. And if things happen, great. But there's also a fear in me of like, oh shit, what if it does go and then you're the

showrunner. the creator and the right there's all those fears but i'm like nope nope just one step at a time yeah but uh i would urge you to because you're a creative guy that you have you know what you do with songs now where there's this vulnerability where you're you're looking inside and you're finding all this stuff if you could write a story and i'm sure you have hundreds of stories of a moment and make that moment bigger uh start out with like oh my remember in college i did this thing Oh, my God, this is the funniest story ever. How do I make a movie around these guys?

Yeah. But it's just like, you just got to, it's pen to paper. I sold four different shows. See, okay. Yeah, I sold too, but nothing. But this was years ago, and I went through these development processes that really broke me. Like, and I just, I don't know if I wasn't prepared for it, but. So much work, little pay.

and they say no and the show's gone yeah but like um someone be like they bought it so uh like one one of them they bought it as a half hour i rewrote it rewrote it for him rewrote it for them then they're like oh we love this hold on let's get a budget together wait a second we want to turn into an hour so i rewrite it for an hour they don't know how how many hours this takes for you yeah yeah rewrite it rewrite it rewrite it over a two-year process and then the end of it they're like oh the president of the network just got fired never mind everything's gone yep i've had that and i that happened to me twice on two different projects stuff like that where it's like you the quality of your writing and what you've done means means something but that that doesn't mean everything it's just like

it could be a great script and a great idea just timing and all these stupid political factors yeah a lot of time and then it's just so much work and can be so much work and can be so heartbreaking that you're just like it's soul crushing but you know what i do now is i honestly think i don't give a fuck sure who fire me hire another this whatever i'll sit in the wings and just watch a show that i created i don't give a fuck i i made this this uh this project you know this concept and if they don't want me as the creator they don't want me to give notes they don't want me as a producer and they just take this project and go off with it i'm happy i don't have to where i used to be like i want it this one i want to show people that i'm competent i'm smart no i want to surround myself

with really smart people try to get things made and that's all i can do yeah you know so there's a there's a sense of release too letting letting things go but that that it is it's it is heartbreaking and Now in this time, and then we talk about it ad nauseum, but Hollywood, it's, people go, it's really hard. I'm like, no, you don't understand. It was hard before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But there was, there was a time when you went into audition and there was a connection with the casting director and you met the director and you met the producer and he had you do it

another way and there was an energy in the room and now you put yourself on tape and you send it in with everybody else. And, you know, there's just less work. The first thing is I've been working for, you know, 25 years. And I, this job I just did was the first time I've ever booked off tape in 25 years. Wow. Everything I overbooked was in the room. In the room.

That's because that's your personality. Yes. Or as an offer when those existed. Yeah. But now it's like, yeah, I don't know what to do. It's a new world. So I've got to get really good at taping, I guess. Yeah.

But then I look at like that, like a nightmare in Elm Street, right? Yeah. I love that. My name and Limeonstreeves looking at. I love. I love that series. Oh, yeah. And I, there's this like really weird like four hour long documentary.

Have you watched it? Search for darkness? Yeah. Maybe. No, no, no. Now there's a documentary on all the nightmares. Yes, it goes through every one of them. It's great. It's long.

And it's super long. Yeah. And I watched the whole thing and just the idea they like built a whole studio just to release that movie and this whole new world like that like new line was created to release that movie. It was like the function of what, of what Hollywood meant where audiences go see something, money is made. That's not the model anymore. more. No. And it's not even because people aren't, people, there's shows on TV right now that millions of people are watching and this still get canceled. Because how many people watch your show

doesn't really matter. Well, you know, I was on a show and the, the audience we had, it got canceled after two seasons. And if it was on now with the viewership we had, it'd be pretty much a hit. But what is it hit now? Well, if you're getting, if you're getting a million, two million people watching your show, or half a million people watching your show, that's, that's, because there's so many, it's like, I hate the word, use the word over saturated, two words, maybe hyphenated, but you know what I mean? It's like, it's, there's so many shows. I get overwhelmed where I'm going through and it's like an hour of looking what to watch. Yeah. And it always ends up on dateline. Sure. Or a documentary. Sure. Because I just can't, or, you know, Squid Game, which I like. Pumpkin is here at Starbucks, and we're making it just the way you like. Handcrafted with real ingredients like our real pumpkin sauce and rich espresso, sprinkled with pumpkin spice. It's full of real flavors you'll keep coming back for.

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and he gets his benefits. That's what it is now. It's about stock price. And so your budget has to be so small that you can't even make that show in Los Angeles. Yeah. You can't make that show with somebody as talented as Chuck Lori, stuff like that. I'm not saying that's the case all the time, but that's, that's this, we're seeing this, uh, I don't know. I don't know. I think it's going to be the end of studios in general. It's just going to be networks straight to production companies. I don't know if that's the future. I don't know. I don't know. I still think that there's something to be said about if you can go shoot it. Now, I always, I'm a hypocrite because I'll say, you know, like Sean Baker, who I adore and he's a genius,

he'll say, just go grab your iPhone, go shoot a movie. Where's the sound? Where's the, you know, the thing, the battery life? How do I do this? I don't know. How do I make it look good enough? It's going out of focus. There's the focus thing on the iPhone.

Yeah. But also, like, I believe in unions, you know? Yeah. Like, I believe in real budgets, not insane budgets, but, you know, livable wage for people on the crew yeah um yeah but you've been on sets especially network tv where you're staying around you're like so many people working so hard so many people and then there's a group of people you're like what do you do yeah what do you do except i push uh i'm the blower guy no no no no that's the guy's sitting at video village oh where you're like there's 15 producers on this show yeah what do any

of you do. And the answer is, I see two of you working very hard. Yeah. And then I see 13 of you coming scared every now and then and just saying hi. Hey, Matt. Hey, yeah, everything's great. Great. I have no pull here. Yeah, yeah. I have no pull. I'm just trying to stay above water here, Matt. And I think this, uh, this, uh, retraction right now is about those people. Yeah. Is, is, is, is cutting down those. I'm so fucking tired of like five people on a zoo. and one of them sort of matters and they all just go what do you think and then that person speaks and they go yeah yeah yeah yeah and no one has opinions no one has ideas it some of the reasons why not they don't buy a show or you know are just asinine like I had this one that they're

like well we don't know if it's about the the guy or the kid I'm like I've told you it's It's about the guy. This is a story about redemption. This is a story about, and I'm like, I want to scream through the, did you read the script? It's about him and his life. And he does have a kid. But you have to spoon feed it to them. And I just got off for another show that I'm trying to make with the producers.

And this guy, one of my producers was president of a studio. And he's like, you will not believe what we go through in these pitches. We have to spoon. moon feed everything what they say one of the big questions is when you're trying to sell a show is well why would the audience watch this and the simple answer is would you watch it you just read it yeah well yeah i would well aren't you a fucking audience member why are you if you you're second guessing yourself you're like i like it but will an audience you it's it's it's just ridiculous anyway I can really get upset about this.

No, but part of my big, I got a story. Philips you more often and I pitched a show together. Wow. Not long before he died. And it was a thing I had written this pitch, and it was crazy. And we had gotten linked up through our agents, and he just loved it. and we would get on the phone and he would push me further in these ways and he'd like yeah just fucking go for it man yeah and it was it was right around the time of occupy wall street and it was

about a group of young kids basically getting fed up and starting i'd say the their own version of uh kind of the uh weather underground not homespun terrorism but like kind of robbing from the rich uh was that was i would have loved to That was the name of the show. It was called Rob from the Rich. And it was about young, broke people being fed up. So like young Robin Hoods, fucked up Robin Hoods. Kind of, but using the internet a lot and hiding and being chased and this whole thing.

We had this beautiful, long pitch that we went in and we pitched like five networks. And me and Phil sitting next to each other, just going to town on this like, almost like hour long pitch he was beautiful pitch and nobody bought it and he was like and this is after he's had a lot of success oh my god this is after bogey nights this is after oscars oscars everything he had an overall and still nobody bought it and he was like i don't know what the fuck we're doing man like i don't know how long have you did you know him uh just through that process so like six months so you weren't friends before no so how did you get to him uh agents hooked us up you said i think he's right for this yeah they were like

he's looking for something crazy you've got it um you know like the end of my season one pitch was they blow up a walmart uh and he loved that yeah he loved that yeah yeah yeah yeah uh you know they accidentally killed a cop in the first episode um it was you know it was nuts but uh back then nobody would make that show whereas now i think people would that's the thing all these shows you do is like oh yeah now's not at right time and your agents will say well just hold on to it but you you never repitch stuff i sold a show about a hitman sold it went into my first notes meaning they're like okay so we can't have him actually kill anyone and i was like he's a hitman this show's called greatest hits he's a hit man i don't know what to do and over time they made me turn it to this

bastardized version of Chuck and you hated every bit of it I hated it you hated it yeah uh you ever deal with uh anxiety depression in your life yeah man is that a stupid question no it's not stupid it's just obvious yeah well you know it was obvious for me yeah yeah i think for you maybe i think it's it's funny because you know a lot that's funny you say that because a lot of people don't realize how many people deal with it sure and they're like oh he's got a shit together Oh, Rosenbaum's got a shit together He's got a career He's he's he seems happy

Everything's fine Everybody has their shit And I have gone through it But um When were you like Since you were a kid Did you have anxiety? I had a pretty rough childhood

When you say rough Like you were hit Yeah Right Are your parents still with you? My mom is Um And my dad is too

But we haven't spoken in a very long time right yeah uh but yeah there was some it was a different time uh 80s uh you know you hit your kids you hit that you beat the shit out of your kids um it wasn't just that it was just uh we're very poor that was hard it was very hard like um my stepdad who raised me uh he was a Southern Baptist pastor so I was in church a lot a lot and they would have canned food drives and sometimes those were for us like we ate the canned food like I try to explain to my son now was like you know canned food drives that used to be for my family so well and that would cause a lot of stress it just does I know poverty is really hard on kids did you have getting a lot of fights

as a kid? A ton of fights. Did you win? Yeah. Because you're a big kid. I was a big kid. Also, I grew up in a really rough neighborhood where you want to beat the shit out of the big white kid. And so everybody tried to fight you?

A lot of kids. Yeah. So. And you, so you're not afraid of a fight. No. If someone got. I am nowadays, I will say, though. Yeah, because you have kids.

You're like older. No, no, more because everybody's a fucking ultimate fighter now. Yeah. So every actor is UFC. It's like. when we were young just people beat each other up it just punched someone in the face yeah it's over old drunks in a parking lot now they wrestle you they give you a cranberry pretzel twist i think that twist a cross face cradle i think that's a place in the mall maybe maybe but they give you all yeah they'll put you in

these moves and they're just like you know they're all ripped and like i don't want to get a fight yeah i don't want to fight no or should you get in a fight right people will kill you yeah um but no i had to fight a lot when i was a kid yeah did you ever get in a fight with your father No. No. Big guy? Yes. Yeah, my dad was six, five, two, twenty.

I was the smallest kid in my school. I was like not going to happen. My dad was like a gorilla. He was a prison guard at Folsom Prison for over 30 years. Are you serious? Yeah. And you haven't talked to him in how many years? Um, 22.

Does it bother you at all? Not anymore. Not anymore. Just no feeling anymore. No, there's feeling. It's just I got to protect my kids. That's it. Yep.

I understand that. But so anxiety, stress is something you've kind of cope with your whole life. What now would give you an anxiety attack? Oh, money. Money. You'll get anxiety about money. I get a lot of anxiety about money. Small things.

Usually it's small things. Something will trigger it. Like, I can't buy my deodorant. Where's my deodorant? I just bought it. You'll freak out about that. You know what I mean? Not freak out, but I'll just be like, oh, there's a ton of things going on right now.

And this little thing's triggering it, and I need to sit down and realize there's a lot more going on than just this. That's good that you address that. Yeah. You know, it's like this is not what's bothering me. It's like something else or a manifestation. Oh, hi, buddy. Who's the best you are? I wish I could spend all day with you instead.

Uh, Dave, you're off mute. Hey, happens to the best of us. Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers. Goldfish have short memories. Be like goldfish. Do you go to therapy? Yes, for years, yes. And that really helps you?

It does, yeah. Yeah, what do you think about it? It's just about getting everything off your chest. Well, there's a thing in therapy, and this is also a thing when you have kids. when you uh you'll go you'll tell a story in therapy about your childhood and you're like huh and the therapist is like that's not funny i've done that like that's really awful man yeah and you're like oh right or you'll be doing something with your kids and you'll be like remember something about that happened to you and you'd be like if that happened to my kid i i would i would kill someone

like that kind of stuff you know that i just brushed it off as like childhood i that happened to me i was doing um emdr you ever try it uh no but i've heard a lot about it let me tell you i was just sitting there and i was just going yeah this happened i was just like you don't do that i was just like uh i think you're ready i want to talk about that you want to do this i'm like well what i was just like no, we're going to talk about that. Yeah. And all of a sudden, if you, a minute later, hysterical. I don't know where it came from, but I think that's why, you know, obviously a lot of

comedians, you know, they're kind of dark and they're negative and they're depressed and they're anxious. And it's because, you know, and comedy is the only thing like, I'll just, I'll make it funny. I'll make my life funny. I'll make everybody think it's okay. I'm okay. It worked out. But it, you know, it wasn't easy.

No. No. But you think you're like you're a work in progress. You're constantly working on yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Peaks and valleys. Sure.

It's tough because like I used to be because I was, I went to church so much. I used to really try. I tried so hard to believe. leave all that stuff. Like, I really wanted to. I know a lot about it. I was in church five days a week for 18 years. Like, I know a lot about it. And I just couldn't believe it anymore. And a lot of my family still does. And I'm happy for them. I want to feel that. I just don't. And I try. yeah and uh and but then for a while i was like super like anti uh what would you call it uh when you don't believe in god at all atheist atheist super atheist like like punk rock right

kind of atheist in my 20s and then you start to get a little more spiritual where you're like no i'm i'm more agnostic yeah and then you have kids and then the kids you're like if my Kid got cancer and died. I couldn't handle it. So then, yeah, maybe I would believe in some kind of God where I would see them again. Yeah. To just function. Like I can't take that away from anybody. Yeah. No, I think faith's important. I think faith in something is important. Yes. And I think it's individual. It's so individual. Because, you know, it's one thing, you know, some people say organized religion is, is that's the worst thing there could be. That's what ruined. the world yeah i will say not all not not all people you know um i will say that if you think your religion is the one and everyone else is going to hell and uh you you don't like people that don't believe what you believe well then fuck fuck off you know i think that and how is it that with all the religions and the hundreds of religions before christianity how is it people sit on their throne and think my religion's the right one yeah this is the right one

why don't you just say why don't you believe that and not tell everybody that they're wrong or they suck this is just what i believe yeah i don't know it's it's it's difficult i have friends that don't organize religion who do beautifully and i um and others not but um my like i i hate the uh greed is good religion like the joel austines of the world they're awful you human beings. But my stepdad, he, uh, my brother, who, uh, his son, um, they are both past, or my stepdad was a past before he passed, but they started churches all over Southern California. And all these churches are small churches that help the community, the community help poor people. See? Help get, uh, get people off the street, get them into houses. That's the right

religion. Like that's what they do. That's a religion should be. That is, and they, and they, are my brother helps start a thing called set free which is ex gang members bikers and um drug addicts to get off the street and uh get into work and you know use faith and religion to help them through their lives and it's an incredible thing that's beautiful i think there is a place for that absolutely absolutely uh all right this is called shit talking with matt jones these are my top tier patrons Patreon.com slash inside of you, and thanks for supporting. If you want to become a member, great. Leanne, what is one positive thing you've done to make this world a better place?

Had kids. Okay. My kids are going to change the world. Beautiful. Linda M., what do you wish you had more time to do? Hang out with just my wife. I wish we can go on more dates. Oh, that's sweet.

I hope she listens to this, will she? Yeah, if I tell her to. Raj, tell me about a recent experience on set that made your jaw drop. Oh. I did a job recently, I can't say it was, but we've been talking about how bad the industry is right now. The crew was skipping around. Everyone was so happy to be there and to have a job. Like, from the Gaffer to the craft service, people were so nice and so happy.

Isn't that something? It was, it was beautiful. Yeah. It was jaw drop. To me, that's, you know, you're going to work every day, but you're also like around people who love what they do for the most part. And are really good at it. And are really good at it. And it's awesome.

Taylor R. How is it like working with Allison Janney on mom? Alison Janie is the most talented actor I've ever worked with, hands down. Alice Janie, you can give her the shittiest line and just. She'll make it work. Always. every time it was that's a talent she's just like savant level like I don't understand I've sat around and tried to be like to read things like her and I just don't know how she does it she's just so

good Jen T since you've been in comedy and horror what is something that you've learned while working that has made you a better performer I've learned that this is a long business and the people I remember over 25 years are the nice people are the people that like I want to go see on set because even the most famous of shows and

whatever project that you think matters it all goes away but when I at the end of the day when I walk into like a restaurant and I see an actor I worked with or a director or somebody like 20 years later and we just talk about family

it's just so nice. Yeah. It's a community and that's something i was not expecting uh little lisa says what was the last tv show you binge watched what is the last tv show i binge watched the karen reed trial uh maybe it was the mayor of mayhem no you know what i just binge watched was the last season of alone it's the where they just dropped them off oh i love that show i love i haven't seen the last season yeah it's dude i love that show i it's so calming to me to watch them yeah slowly die in the woods you know what else is calming to me milf manor it is dark that show is dark what milf manner you've seen it yeah i watched an episode it is it's like here's the concept so we're going to have all these

middle-aged women uh come on this come to this place to this manor to this house and then all of a some we're going to surprise them with all their sons and the sons are then going to start banging the other moms and we're just going to have a party it's nuts it's nuts i hope there's milf manner three because i need my taste of um you worked with my friend yarvo yeah man i love brightburn i thought um your death was one of the best deaths in cinema um he's a great dude he's a great dude he's super talented he works harder than anybody out there and um he's such a weirdo he's such a weirdo you are you're such a weirdo i love you yeah he's just like i don't know it's like you know it's like you know um but he's so passionate and he's so smart and um and autumn of course of course autumn

she's super talented too so i love those guys and i really like that movie that was that was great um You know, what's the show that got canceled? Bob Hart's Abashola. Abashola. Maybe he got canceled because of the title. Maybe. But the guy on there, Bob. Yeah, Billy Gardell.

Billy Gardell. He lost 170 pounds. Yeah, you got that lap band surgery, and he just stuck with the stuff. And that saved his life. And he does Ozzympic, too, right? He said, or? I don't know if he's moved on to that sense. I don't know.

I don't know. But I was shocked. when I saw, because I was watching clips and then I saw that clip, it was a different human being. Yeah, I watched it happen like over time. Were you just like in all? Like, we were all just so happy because like, you know, we wanted to not be dead.

Yeah. If you're really, really fat, you're going to die soon. Did you talk about that stuff? Like, I got on his way. He's like, I, he has a wife and a son. He's like, I want to be around. That's amazing because a lot of people won't have that sort of revelation and the fact that well they'll have it but they won't do anything about it and um it takes a lot of courage it's you know absolutely to to actually say i am going to do this and i think you know his family probably saved him because he wouldn't have done it for himself maybe you know what

it's probably true that's what happens if you if like i have to live so i could take care of my animals that i love yes if i'm not my you know what i mean yes of course you got a with your kids yeah man i mean there's so many things i mean i mean aren't you glad we didn't really talk about breaking bad uh yeah yeah we didn't i just don't there's nothing really to say anymore there really isn't and there's just yeah you ever work with assholes though you ever work with somebody you're like you're an asshole you know what's funny is clowns buddy i was thinking about this i was thinking about this specifically the other day sometimes someone will be like oh this guy work with him he's a fucking asshole and i was like oh

i work with him i thought he was great somebody had a bad day maybe and i was like yeah sometimes like somebody has a bad day or you don't know what's going on in their life and the production you're on is dog shit and they are away from their family and all this and then other times people are just assholes you do hear about those two where it's like Like, yeah, yeah. You've had a couple on here. Have I? Yeah.

You know what? But you know what? I've had a couple on here that I didn't realize. I'm not. I'm shit. No, no, no. No, I think I know what you're saying. But like, you know, sometimes you don't know something about somebody.

Of course. Until after the fact. Absolutely. And so some things have happened where I'm like, oh, I had no idea. Or, oh, wow, that extreme. No, but I love that you should interview the assholes. I want to know why they're that way. Yeah.

I had a friend who got mad at me and says, But he said, I can't believe you to interview so and so. You know, they don't believe in this. And then I go, dude, you know what? Not everybody believes what we believe. Yeah. I'm not talking about what he believes. I'm talking about his career in his life.

Yeah. And, you know, that's, you know, it doesn't mean I like the person. It doesn't mean I, but I, I want to get to know the person. And the person was actually really lovely and kind and, you know, but it's a rarity. But yes. And I've had some tough guests that. or I thought I was intimidated by. Sure.

And it turned out to be some of my best guests. Like, I was a little nervous about Robert Patrick. Hmm. And because he's tough. He's an intense dude. And he was like, Michael, you know, hey, you know, and there's already, and then about 25 minutes in, I felt I got him. We're cool. And I loved him.

And since then, he's awesome. And it was one of my best because if you're on your toes a little bit and you're like, you don't know about somebody. and it's just like there's a you know and i just i've been trying to get michael madsen on the podcast yeah what's that he just died he did last night what yeah this is airing later but yeah my friend says i just interviewed him so i can't get him on your podcast and then a week later he goes hey i can't get him on your podcast and i go why he goes he just died it's 67 man you lived a hard life i believe and super talented guy remember reservoir dogs where he cuts the guy's ear off yeah it looks at Harvey

could I tell you gonna balk old day little doggie are you gonna bite excuse me i didn't hear what you said can you repeat that i said and then and such a great act i've heard a couple stories about michael madson sure where who are those guys those like tough ass guys our generation now i don't see them on screen like weird charactery might be the last well like robert patrick michael bain Michael Bean is amazing. Ted Levine. You know what I mean? Those guys were you like,

they all look like, like cowboy bar fight guys. They just don't give a shit. Yeah. They just don't give a shit. I just don't. American flag, motherfucker. I don't care what people say or thing.

Michael Dutnikov. I don't know Michael Dutnikov. American Ninja, one, two, three, and four. I didn't see him. No. I've also never seen the Fast and Furious movies. You're welcome. I sat down with my son and we watched like,

the first three and i was like do you want to watch the fourth he's like no i got it yeah i just don't know i was like okay just this fast car people just love that shit there's a lot of movies that people just they just i don't get it and you know what that that's why i'm not it's not for you no it's not for you but i start i'm starting to feel like very little's for me i know i have this conversation all the time very little making shows for me because to be honest we're some of the only people that are paying for TV anymore yeah these kids my son it's all YouTube everything's on YouTube yeah they might watch you'll see these new shows that come out on Netflix and HBO Max and stuff like that and it's like a bunch of teenagers and 20-somethings you're like you know they're not

watching these shows right like this who are you making shows for they're not watching these they're they're they're watching YouTube or they're out um but every once in a while like Vaping, vaping, God. Did you ever smoke? A little bit. Like, yeah, I'd smoke sort of like casually. Sometimes I was depressed, so a couple months I'd smoke. But I'd much rather have a cigarette than just be Darth vapor.

Just, oh, yeah. Because you know what the difference is? You go outside for a cigarette. Vaping, you vape 24 hours a day. Yeah. Vaping. You do it when you're at the computer. You do it when you're sitting.

you could just take a at the theater it's like it's such an addiction i was 10 times worse i was very addicted to cigarettes and i tried to use a jewel to like i did too i tried and it hurts so much more i felt so much worse so then i just quit cold turkey and it's been five years but good for you um but it's all garbage it's just a shame that when we need something to you know yeah like i take nicorette uh mince low dose two milligram but i've read a lot about how nicotine can be good for for you in a way. Sure. But what were you saying when you need something? You said it's a shame when you need something to calm down. Yeah. It's a shame. And we all have it. We all have our things like whether it's food or nicotine or waves or whiskey or whatever it is. And, you know, it's okay to

have a vice. Sure. You know, but not if it's going to kill you. Yeah. If it's going to kill you, it's like, you know, pick another vice. Yeah. You know, I like roller coasters. You like roller coasters. I used too. I had a lot of neck surgeries. I don't know if it's smart. Yeah. So again, I might, that vice might have to be. I used to love roller coasters. I just took my son to a Magic Mountain. We did all of them. Now you don't like them. I don't never have to do that again the rest of my life. Dude, you feel sick. An adult man having his body thrown around. Yeah. Doesn't feel good. I almost threw up on a Lex Luthor ride. Oh yeah. That would have been ironic. You know, that would be pretty sick. But look, man, this has been an absolute joy.

This has gone longer than I thought, usually do an hour, but you've been such a great guess. Thank you for having. I appreciate. I wish you all the success. You deserve it. You're going to, not that you need this, but I really, just by knowing you a little bit and your abilities, I think that you're going to definitely get that role that you want. Just stay with it. Just stay with it and just be like, be open. And when you least expect it, someone's going to call and say, hey, and you're going to be like, huh, it's going to happen. It's fate, man. Thank you. And I feel like there's going to be something, you know, Like there's one show, one show that I was interested in last year. And I actually put myself on tape. And then I heard Kevin Bacon, the studio, loved it. It's between you and one guy. And I was like, I want to get that part. And they went with the other guy.

Yeah. And that was the only, and I wasn't, I was like, ah, I would have done that because I love Kevin Bacon. And I loved that part. And it wasn't like, I'm in every scene. It was like a cool part. And I was like, but there'll be more of those, you know, and a show that I would love to be on. Like, that would be fun.

It's my, you know, my element. But, yeah, look, keep each other in mind for shit, man. Start writing. Absolutely. Start writing more. Absolutely. All right. Good seeing you.

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