Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Matthew Lewis: Harry Potter, Defense Mechanisms, & Comfort

Episode Date: March 23, 2021

The talented and very humble Matthew Lewis (Harry Potter, Me Before You) joins us this week and discusses the challenges of playing various characters after being a part of one of the world’s largest pop culture phenomenons. Matthew delves deep into his inner defense mechanisms when viewing his own work, never letting his career define his life, and how he’s learned more from theater than films. For all you Harry Potter fans, we talk about some hilarious behind the scenes stories, memorabilia Matthew smuggled home with him, and also working with the late and brilliant Alan Rickman. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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My hair is insane. My hair is so long. I don't know what to do with it anymore. Have you ever heard of a haircut? No. Can you tell me about it? Oh, I haven't had one in a little while, but... That doesn't help. Well, you can get a haircut, can't you?

You fear going in there? You're not vaccinated. No. I'm not. Yeah. So... Your hair is standing straight up. Is it? Is it bad?

What are you going to do? I guess if you're listening, you're going to have to tune in on YouTube. You know, my friend sent me this quote. We were talking about, you know, he gets a lot of anxiety and stuff. I play ice hockey and he's an old hockey buddy Joey. And he says, we're talking about anxiety and life. And he says, you know, Marcus Aurelius. I'm like, well, I know him.

But he had a quote. He says, we are more frightened than hurt. And we suffer more in imagination than reality. And I thought that was pretty interesting. because it's our minds that F with us the most, right? We're always thinking about disaster, doom and gloom, and our minds are much more, I don't know, I think that's so accurate.

It's like if I could just get out of my own head, out of my own way. Do you do that? Are you in your own way? Of course. How do we just get out? How do we just say, hey, man, life is good. Let's just like, you know, whatever hits us. There's some people that either they're fucking liars that just go,

yeah, I just go with the flow. and they're happy and they don't think too much I think when you think too much you're just you're you're you're done the minute you start thinking overthinking uh that's when things get complicated for me I agree I was also trying to do it was also dry swallowing

were you dry swallowing I've never heard of the word the term dry swallowing I don't think I ever want to hear that again I never want to hear the terms dry swallowing I hope you guys had a fantastic week And if you're here for Matthew Lewis, a friend of mine, Neville Longbottom from Harry Potter, has tons of tons of other shit, too. And if you're here for him, I urge you to give this show a chance and subscribe on YouTube

and Apple, Spotify, whatever, tune in. You might just learn something every week. I know I learn things. Ryan learns things. The guest learns things. And I think all of you might. Matthew Lewis is a good buddy. We met at a convention signing autographs.

And he was really sweet. And he was with one of his buddies years ago. And they ended up crashing at my house when they came to LA and his buddy Nick. And we became friends. And then my brother and I went out to England, made a pit stop, and he picked us up from the airport, took us to Leeds. And on the way, we stopped by the Harry Potter sets and saw the owls and all the little, I mean, the OG man, it was there. And it was, and I've never been a huge Harry Potter fan. I've never like, I've never seen all the movies.

Obviously now with him and it as a friend, I was like, you know, I have. have to check them out but um you know it was uh it was interesting and he's such a laid back down the earth guy loves his leads he's a big leads fan he just goes on about that and i and i love that but you're going to get a kick out of this interview it's a lot of fun also uh please follow us uh we would really appreciate the support follow us ryan tell them where the handle what the handles are uh at inside of you pod on twitter at inside of you podcast on instagram and Facebook. That is correct. Please subscribe on YouTube. Please subscribe to Apple Podcast. Please write a review. It helps substantially. If you're enjoying this show at all, it really does help. It's like those

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i don't know inside ryan oh no inside ryan it's inside ryan and i said 15 so we got to go 15 right inside ryan 15 and that will give you 15% off everything in the store and that's only going to be for a couple days. So you might want to rack that up. But you remind me, Ryan? Inside Ryan 15? That's correct. All right. That is the code today. Okay. So I'm going to say I appreciate everybody out there listening, continuing to listen to the podcast and everything. Ryan, by the way, is everything going okay in your life? I mean, it's, you look a little, a little bit frantic inside. Like I can see there's like some things going on. Is everything going all right? Yeah. I mean, it's as okay as it can be. I mean, I just worked too much.

and I'm looking forward to not working as much, and I don't know how to do that. Yeah, you know, that's the thing. We either work too much or we don't work at all, and then we have too much time on our hands or we don't have any time on our hands. And we've got to give ourselves a break. I mean, I'm trying. I'm still going through the whole, you know, adjusting to some meds and things like that and just trying to, you know, lower the anxiety. And then sometimes you take a little too much, and then you're more anxious. And it's just that, you know, sometimes it's, you know, sometimes,

I'm just like, fuck it, man. I'm just going to get off all of it again and just go back to the beginning. And I think back of the old days, and I was anxiety ridden. I mean, there was always an anxiousness to me. And I didn't realize that it was people say, well, use that to your benefit, man, the anxiety. And I just didn't like living like that or living like that. I think that's the thing. But, you know, I'm doing my best.

And I'm being a little more active this week, helped. I got an epidural in my back. They gave me some injections in my spine, and that helped me because I had some really major lower back problem. I've had some, you know, the back problems my whole life. And I'm just trying to, this is a fixing stage. This whole pandemic has been a time where I'm learning too much about myself, but I'm also taking care of things while we're still here because the lights at the end of the tunnel. We see the light. It's coming. The vaccines are coming. But I'm trying to get to a place where I feel just really, really good. Just crazy, though, this last week was the year.

It was like the anniversary of the official Los Angeles lockdown. This week? Like, yeah, last week. Jesus. That was intense, man. I've been thinking about that a lot. Yeah, I posted a St. Patrick's Day song on Twitter. I was like, oh, this will just be a silly bunt.

And I was just looking at that person from a year ago. And I do not feel the same. I don't feel the same as that person. It's weird. it is weird and it's uh i hope that it's given a given everyone out there a different perspective on just life and like camaraderie on like for sure just being more of a human being and listening to people and being more present and you know maybe this is a wake up call i hope people see it like that i know a lot of people probably won't and um you know it'll get worse but i'm trying to be a

little optimistic i hope we all start listening to each other and loving each other just a little bit more Because, boy, I mean, a lot of people died and a lot of shit went down in this last year. And you just hope that this is a year that people remember and learn from. I don't know. I want to be optimistic. But anyway, here's to everyone getting vaccinations. If that's what you believe in, you could shoot me in my butthole for all I care. I want to be just done with this.

And I want to go travel and I want to do my thing. So get me vaccinated, get the world back to work. And let's get inside of Matthew Lewis. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Matt Lewis, by the way, do you like, I mean, do you like Matthew? Do you like Matt?

Do you like Matthew? which one? My mom calls me Matthew, but most of my friends call me Matt, so that's all right. What is your wife call you besides asshole? Clean the office. Mostly that, but Matt, I think she calls me mostly. Sports people call me Mati. I've even noticed that I don't know if it's the same in the US, but in the UK, all sports people have to put like a, there has to be like a Y sound on the end of it.

Rosie, I'm Rosie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm Matty, and I've never ever told anyone to call me Mattie. I hate it. but all sports people without ever asking me, call me that. Now, you have a podcast as well. Every fucking actor now has a podcast. Pandemic podcast, isn't it?

So this was kind of a dream to you because you're from Yorkshire. Is it Yorkshire or Yorkshire? Yorkshire. Yorkshire. So Leeds is obviously your favorite team. Leeds United. Okay. Well, first of all, my buddy right here, my engineer, you can't see him, Ryan.

His family, right, is from Leeds? Oh, they're from Harrogate. Oh, wow, no shit. My uncles are huge lead supporters. That's funny. Yeah. Hargots beautiful. Have you been?

Oh, several times. Yeah, yeah. We always been flying into Leeds Bradford my whole life. I didn't fly in the Leeds Bradford. Matt, he picked me up at London Heathrow and we drove to Leeds. Do you remember that? Yeah, man. That was a good time.

We were listening to the... We should have gone to Harrogate. We could have gone to the Turkish baths in Harrogate. That would be nice. Whoa, whoa, wait. A Turkish bath? Mm-hmm. It's a bath.

Yeah, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, so you do all the steam rooms and all that, and they've got the frigidarium, which is like, you know, the ice baths and stuff. It's good. It's nice. Are people in there with you? Yeah, there's got, you can do, you can do full naked days, I think. With men and women together? Not the naked ones.

I think they're, uh, I think they're, they're not co-ed them. Hey, so look, I know you moved to Florida, which broke my heart because every one of my friends moves away and I'm starting to get a complex here. But you, you, I mean, you moved to Florida. It was your fault. It was. But you know, you told me why. You said, look, it's the middle ground.

It's, you know, you're not too far from your family in London or in Leeds. And Angela's there with her family and you could always fly out to L.A. Which you don't come out to L.A. much, do you, unless you have a big audition or something? Well, we actually had planned to. Like, because Anj made, like, when we were there, Anj made some really, really great friends, like really close friends. And they've been over Europe together. And we had planned in 2020 to come back to L.A.

for quite a bit. Obviously, that got shit on by the pandemic. But yeah, absolutely. I mean, Florida was going to be a base for us, but we actually, we planned on kind of flitting around a little bit. Like, we want to spend a bit of time in New York. We're going to go and spend like three months up in New York, and then we're going to come back out to L.A. for a bit. But we just, yeah, that's all falling through, along with everyone else around the world's plans as well, like world's tiniest violin um but yeah like we will like once once everyone's back once everyone's back to it we'll uh we'll certainly uh we'll be we'll be heading out there again yeah you know all this the whole covid thing i mean a lot of people have been dealing everybody's dealing with it in their

own way and everybody has hard times and everybody you know obviously my anxiety's been through the roof uh you know i've been you know therapy and trying to deal with my shit and uh you know you have good times you have bad times but i think i got a little what's called cabin fever Remember in The Shining, when he's telling Jack Nicholson, he's like, well, a man, Delbert Grady, he was a caretaker, good man, no, no previous records of anything violent or anything, but he brought his family up here for the winter. And after a couple of months, he got what some people call cabin fever, you know, just kind of lost his mind. And he chopped his daughters up with an axe and shot his wife with a shotgun. And, uh, anyway, So it's not that. I'm just saying that I remember... Is that where you're at? Is it?

No, no, no, no. I'm not like that. I don't get violent. I just sometimes wake up or I don't sleep well. I get anxious. Have you gotten... I know you're a pretty mellow guy, but do you get anxiety? Um, I tell you one thing.

I'm going to do. I do and I don't. I mean, like, I definitely feel, um, at times sort of anxious and overwhelmed and stuff like that, but it's not, it's not debilitating in the way that I know the actual medical definition of it is. So I would never, I would never say I have anxiety. I think it can be quite, I know it's a, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a heavily used term. But when I've seen people who genuinely suffer from anxiety and it can be really debilitating and they can't, like, they don't want to get out of bed or they don't want to leave the house or whatever

and they can't, they can't, I mean, my wife gets it sometimes and she can't even speak, you know. And it's like, I would never want to. to reduce that by saying, oh, yeah, I get anxiety. Like, I get anxious about things, but I don't have anxiety, if that makes sense. Yeah. But I, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I get certainly get quite overwhelmed with, with the job at times. Usually when I'm when I'm in the middle of a job and I'm panicking about it being

shit. Okay. So, oh, wait. So do you equate success with happiness? like if you are great or like you're you're insatiable obviously you want to be great we all want to be great we want the studios to think we're great and but after a while you know the older I get the real I realize I just got to do the best I can and by the way I'm not saying I'm I'm good with this now but like you know when is it good enough or what what is it that makes you anxious

about that well I think that there's there's a couple of things so like my my my Because I was seeing a therapist for a little while. And it was simply because, and again, like, it wasn't anything debilitating. And I just thought, I think that there's not, there shouldn't be a stigma around it for a start. And I thought, well, I'm not working. I'm a bit down in the dumps. I'm sort of like, I didn't feel. Fulfilled.

Inspired. I didn't feel inspired to do anything. And I felt like I just couldn't be bothered. And even when, and it wasn't if, like, I was out, like, self-tates were coming in. I just couldn't be bothered. And I was like, what's wrong with this? So I spoke to someone. And it was fine.

Like, it was, all right. And we came out the other end of it. And actually moving back to Florida helped a great deal. But she said something quite interesting to me. She said that you need to find something in your life that you can do so that you can remove your job from being the sole thing that defines you. Because it was like everything that I was doing, every choice that I was making in life had all been to try and make myself as successful as possible.

And therefore, every time that I was a setback where I didn't get a role or something wasn't as successful as it could have been or a bad review, it was like that was all consuming, that suddenly that was a reflection on me as a human being, not just as me as an actor, but also me as my worth as a person. And I mean, she told me that. I haven't fixed that. I haven't done what she's told me to do. But it was great advice. Yeah, well, fuck, it's, you know what it is? You're acknowledging it because you see truth behind it. And that's, that's exactly, you can't, we can't value ourselves or our self-worth based on, you know, what we do. All we could base it on is how, you know, our work ethic, how hard we try, being a decent person.

and there's things you can control and then there's a lot of things you can't. Well, I think you just summed it up in that you just said there that you're trying your best. I think that the crucial thing is it's something shit, it's shit, okay? Maybe you were just wrong for the role

or you just didn't get it right or whatever. But as long as you can come away from that and you go, you know what? I did the very best that I could. Like I did. I worked hard. I knew my lines at the back of my hand. I did all the preparation.

I did everything. and and it worked for me if it didn't resonate with that with that critic or with those people then I'm kind of I'm learning to get better at that because as long as the only time I get really upset is when I look back and I go you know what you didn't you didn't do everything you could have done there right and I'm and I'm getting better to a point where I'm like so long as I've done what I've all I can do you have to accept that and I said this earlier like it's quite pretentious thing to say but what we do is art and art by definition is subjective and so like everything you do is it's not going to resonate with everyone it's not going to

speak to everyone um but as long as it spoke to you and you believed it and you did everything you could then it'll it'll it'll say something to someone um and uh that's the best you can do i think by the way in this day and age, and I've talked about this, if you suck, the worst thing that's going to happen is you're on Twitter for five seconds until the next thing happens. And everyone's forgotten that Matthew Lewis once sucked or was subpar. And I think that maybe, maybe I'm wrong. But was there that part of you? Because I know there was that part of me for a while where I played Lex Luthor and I wanted like people to go, I'm not, I'm not just Lex Luthor. I'm not just a villain. I could do comedy. Look at me. I'm a monkey. I could do anything. Do you think there's a part of, of like, you know, I was Neville Long but that was a character. I'm different now. I'm, I'm, and, you know, obviously, you're handsome as fuck. You look completely different. You wore a fat suit. You changed,

they added teeth on you as Neville. But do you ever, is there part of you that just wants to go, I want people to see how great I can fucking be, and I'm not just this character, who was great? I think absolutely like, up until relatively recently, that would have absolutely been a thing. And I still,

I still, to a degree, get a bit frustrated sometimes when people sort of say, oh, he's, like, for example, I mean, I'm doing this show at the minute. It's on PBS. And like a lot of the headlines have been, oh, he's not longer, never long bottom anymore. And it's like, I haven't been that for 10 years. And I have done things that have been so wildly different. Like, I've been in dramas that have won BAFTAs and I've done all this kind of stuff. And I'm not bragging. It's just like, I've done all this stuff. And yet still 10 years later, it's people are, uh, are making. the claim that I've sort of jumped from Harry Potter into this and I've completely ignored

the journey that it's taken to get there. And that's, that I guess, can be frustrating because it feels like not that I'm frustrated by anything to do with Harry Potter, but it feels like you have that little voice in your head that goes, hey, you know all that hard work you did for the last 10 years? No one fucking saw it. No one cares. All right? They're still like, it's like, they still think this is the first job you've done since Harry Potter. Remember that performance? No one watched it. Right. And it's like, that's not true. right but it's like that little thing creeps in but on the flip side of it i have been doing a very good job lately and i don't know if it comes from maturity or age you know whatever i've done a

very good job of that i've i've got to a point where i'm i'm relatively comfortable in life i'm happily married um and i'm pretty content with you know current situation of pandemic aside I'm pretty content with my lot, and it's like, I have been in great films and great shows, and I'm very privileged and fortunate for that. I kind of just want to work for myself now. Good. And it's like, if I do a role and someone doesn't like it or didn't think that it worked because they could only see me as Harry as Never Long Bottom or all this thing, I'm like, I don't

give a shit because when I was filming that for three months, I had the best three months of my life and I got paid and I don't care. Well, listen to this. I will tell you this. and thank you for sharing that with me. But I will say that it's a blessing that, and I know you know this already, you've said this, it's a blessing. Harry Potter was a blessing.

It was like, you know, we've talked about that ad nauseum. But what they do and what I do on the podcast, for those that don't like, if I said Matt Lewis is on the podcast, a lot of people might say, I don't know who Matt Lewis is. If I said Michael Rosenbaum's on the pot, well, on my own podcast, on your podcast, they'd say, Who the fuck is Michael Rosenbaum? So I don't care anymore. Smallville's Lex Luthor, Michael Rosenbaum on the pocket. Oh, I love that show.

Maybe I'll watch that interview. Harry Potter's Matthew Lewis. People go, oh, I want to listen to what he has to say. I loved his character. Oh, my God. Look, he's handsome. Now they could see you as an adult, as a man, as a good-looking guy who's doing all these things. And so sometimes I've accepted this and it took me a while.

But what they do is they're trying to promote their show, their whatever. the best they can so people will come and watch it and then see how great you are so it might seem a little bit like oh oh neville long bottom see how he's grown up i mean they're going to do that for the history of your life probably and then harry here's why harry potter was the biggest sensation in the history of cinema so right you will never do anything that great i mean you might but it's it's very well i probably won't do anything as great as small but it's just but it's true and I'm and I'm you know I'm it's it sounds ridiculous to say but I am genuinely fine with that me too like I'm genuinely just like you know if I if I don't work again that would be rubbish

because I enjoy it right and I've got nothing really else to do I'm I sit and play PlayStation all day um so like I would like to keep working but if those things are not like blockbuster movies or you know winning golden globes like I as long as I enjoy doing it like that's if you if people are going to pay me to do things that I enjoy and I'm not starving then I'm going to be all right you know well look at this I mean you've worked with great people and when I look up stuff on you like uh for instance all creatures great and small was really regarded high ratings critical acclaim New York Times praised you you got to believe the New York Times unless you're no you see I I I'll always come up with some kind of what could you come

But this guy doesn't know you. Matthew Lewis was sensational as this character. He really conveyed such a lovely fuck. I mean, what would you? How do you not believe a guy who's randomly writing about you doesn't know you? I genuinely, I just, I don't know. I just think that he's maybe, I don't know, I always, I will always come up with some. I don't know whether we caught this earlier.

I was talking to you about it. But I was saying about how with our industry, the outcome is, is, is so, again, subjective, but it's like, there's no definitive end to it. Like, we, I was saying that if you're a footballer and you win a game, you get to go home that night and you are happy with your performance because you got the win.

If you are a banker and you made loads of money for your clients, you've got the, you've done the job description is to make money for your clients. Now, acting is like, yeah, okay, we got the film in the can, we made the TV series, whatever. But, like, whether people enjoy it, whether it's actually any good is just, is so...

In the air. It's not... It's unquantifiable, you know? And so it's just like, I will always find an excuse why it wasn't good. Okay. Until you are on a hit series and you've won awards and it's gone for five seasons.

And then you have to say, okay, then what are you going to say? Oh, well, that's just that. Then you... I mean, when is it going to be... and Matthew Lewis is mine, or Maddie, when is it going to, where your, where your, where your, your, your football players call you that. Yeah, yeah. Your football players.

I don't like it. Are you just, you don't like when they call you it either? No, I hate it. I don't know where it's coming from. They're just all sportsmen call me. I don't know why. All sportsmen. All sportsmen give me the name Matty and they've never got it from anyone.

I've never told them to call me that. It's like this weird like locker room instinct that they have to put a while on the end of my name. And you can't change that. You've ever said, hey, can you not call me that? No, I mean, it's quite charming. Like, when a Premier League footballer gives you a nickname, it's quite exciting. Like, I'm not going to say, yo, don't call me that. I just internally don't like it. When do you think you'll ever be content or do you think that the insatiable side of you that sort of like, that gives you the drive, that gives you what you need, even though it's self-deprecating and it's all these things. It's something that it's the cyclical process

that you torture yourself with, that you think you're going to just continue on in life like this. I mean, I would like to be, part of me thinks I would like to be one of those people who just believes everything, including the bullshit. But that's the problem, isn't it? I mean, like, if you, I suppose there could be a happy medium to be found. But it's the idea of that I guess I've always been nervous that, you know, in our industry, everyone, not everyone, but a lot of people like to blow smoke up your ass and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and it's like, I've always been one of those people that I'll never buy into that. I'll never believe that. I'll always be, I'll always take that with a pinch of salt. But then it goes to the extreme where you get a

good review and it's like, that guy's full of shit. He doesn't know what he's talking about. He doesn't, he's an idiot. Why should I be listening to his opinion? And it's like, I never want to go the other way where I believe, where I guess if I take, if I, I worry that if I take a good review and I believe it, then I'll believe anything. And everyone's, you know, Harry Potter fans are the best fans in the world. They're so lovely and so kind and they say the sweetest things. And and it's like with any fan base, you, you have to always worry. Did they, did they genuinely like what you did? Or they just love Harry Potter and that's why they said it. And you can get caught up in, I think that it's very easy to get caught up in, in, uh, in, in, in fans sort of

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Has someone that you really regard that you trust? came up to you that said, Matthew, and smacked you across the face and said, you were brilliant in that. You really were fucking good. And you believed it. The New York Times. No, not the New York Times. No. Now, you know, my best mate, Nick, who you know. Right? Who is, it works in recruitment. He's not in the industry whatsoever. And we have a relationship where we are brutally honest with each other. We never very, very, very rarely compliment each other. It would be weird to be too nice to each other.

And he knows that I have complexes about various different things with regard to my acting. And yet, despite him knowing these things, he will still say that was shit, which is why I respect him more than, like, so many other people who could tell me something. Everything is shit, he says. No, no, but he will tell me if something is shit. And I'm like, well, he knows that that would genuinely, like, fuck me up. So if he's saying it, then I could take it as, like, that's legitimate. But on the flip side is, if you think something's good, he will, he will, when he tells me it's good, I'm like, fuck.

Wow. I mean, what does Nick know? He's a Philistine. There's nothing about art. But if he'd enjoyed it, then, then, you know, he's. know, maybe, maybe it was all right. What did he like? Did he like when you played Amelia Clark's boyfriend?

I don't think he saw it. Good friend. I think what did he, what did he see recently? Baby done? No, he liked happy, he enjoyed Happy Valley. He liked Happy Valley. I think that was it. And had that make you feel when he said it really made you feel good.

Yeah, I thought, that was pretty cool. I was nice of him to say. That was a nice thing. Again, like he's not, you know, he's not, he's not the Hollywood foreign press. Will you believe them? because I'll tell you what, a lot of the shit that they put out there is shit. I don't believe anyone.

The point is I don't believe anyone. I can't take compliments, all right? I've got a problem. I've got a complex. I don't know. Well, when your wife looks you in the eyes and says, you're very handsome, do you believe it? No, she has to say that.

What? What happened as a child? Because I know you had good parents, right? Yeah. But what is, where does the complex? I like to dig deep. Where does the complex come from, you think? For me, I could tell you exactly what it was.

My dad told me I wasn't smart. I didn't do good in school. My mom told me right in front of me that my dad's favorite was my brother Eric. There are things that I will always remember that make me go, this is why I am that way, why I have anxiety, why I feel dumb. And that's why I work on them and realize, no, they were just shitty parents at that point to do those things. And I'm not those things.

I wouldn't be here if I was that dumb. I wouldn't be here if I was that. So what happened as a kid or something that made you feel? this, I don't know, less about yourself? I think it's more of a defense mechanism, to be totally honest with you. I think if I was, I mean, again, how fuck do I know? But I think it's more of a, it is a way for me. I think that the idea is that throughout my life, things have sort of got, like balls

have got rolling. And then I've gone, oh, God, this is worrying now. Because if this does quite well, suddenly you're up on that pedestal to be shot down, right? I had it with this podcast, so I'm doing this Leeds United podcast, and I was quite nervous about doing a podcast to begin with. You're hosting it. Yeah, yeah. So originally it started off that me and a couple of friends, we got together and said, let's make a podcast about Leeds, just us. And we got a guy, an ex-player called Jermaine Beckford, to come and do it.

And it was going quite well for a few weeks. And I was really nervous about it because I was like, once you put that out there, you're putting yourself out there and saying, here, I have an opinion on this. come and take a shot at me. And I've always quite enjoyed sort of just keeping my head down with regard to that stuff because if you don't put your head above the parapet,

no one can blow it off. And so I've not really done it very often. And it ended up doing really well. Long story short, Leage United, the actual club, got in touch and said, would we like to do the official one? So we've sort of, we've merged our podcast into,

we are now the official Leag United podcast. Right, shit, now this is a Premier League club, global franchise that people are going to be listening to. And I, like, that's when I get my anxiety where I'm like, fuck, like, now I'm in a position where people, you know, can, can, can criticize, they're actually going to be listening to me. They're going to be paying attention to me. And I was very close to sort of pulling the plug. So I was like, I don't know if I want that kind of attention. I don't know if I want to put myself in that in that spotlight to be taken shots out. And I did. I went on with it because I've developed a few years ago.

or like an attitude that if it scares you, you should do it anyway. But my instinct is always to just go, eh, I'm all right. I don't need to do that. And it's kind of like that I hate rejection and I hate like bad press or bad reviews so much that I'm like, you can't get badly reviewed if you don't do a play. It's like, it's like this defense mechanism.

So the reason I don't, I think that I don't believe shit It's because it's like, but if I do believe it, say if I go and read 99 reviews of a film, okay, and they're all great, and I believe all of them, I go brilliant. I know eventually I'm going to read one that thought I was terrible, and that's going to fucking undo everything and make me feel 10 times worse. And so I just think, well, I just, if I just don't believe any of it, I don't have to worry about it. And I can ignore the bad ones as well. If you take a test, you get a 99, it's an A. If you get a 90, it's an A. Even if you get an 80, it's a B.

I know it's, for me, I know it's, I got six-ones. I passed. 61% of 61% of people like you, you still pass. Rotten tomatoes is the biggest hunk of shit I've ever looked at. I don't know how they do it. I know it's all these people, probably they get paid off, but they say some things are such shit that are so great. They say things that are brilliant or shit. They give things 100% that are like a 70 at best. I mean, this is just bullshit. You, uh, look, just think that if I, if, like I said, if I ignore the good ones, then that gives me an excuse to ignore the bad ones as well. And then I can just have a nice benchmark of, of average. But the Guardian praised your performance and baby done.

Fuck. I mean, what do you want? The New York Times. I mean, people love you and Harry Potter. You have to know one thing. You don't suck. Well, I have, I have come to the conclusion, again, in recent years that I can do the job. I have, I have, I have made that piece with myself. I'm like, you might not be the best actor in the world. Um, you might not have, you know, spectacular range, but you can do a job. Like, you are a safe pair of hands and people will keep giving you work. And that was quite, even that was like, quite a nice feeling just to get to that point where I'm like, huh, I can, I actually can do this. Like, there was, there was years where I

didn't even feel comfortable calling myself an actor. Like, I got paid for it, but I don't know, like was I just, would they just get in work off the back of Harry Potter or whatever? So now I definitely feel much more comfortable that I can, I can do a job, you know. Yeah. Well, I think you're far better than average or, uh, what did you call it? Something hands? A safe pair of hands. A safe pair of hands.

Have you ever heard that, Ryan? Is that an English thing? I guess it must be if you've not heard of it. It's just like, you know, when you've got a job for someone and it's like, you don't need someone to excel, you just need a safe pair of hands that's going to get the job done. Hey, you know, we haven't even really talked about Harry Potter, which is, which is kind of great for you. Yeah. If somebody's, I know you love it.

I'm just giving you shit. I know you, you. If somebody said, if they called you again, they wanted you, they want to do another Harry Potter. She's written another book. My wife asked me that a week ago. What would you do? She asked me because there was that, that news thing that she showed me about how they're talking about apparently they're working on. they're working on some TV series,

it's probably bullshit. I'm pretty sure it's bullshit. Or at least like, or at least like all it is is like some guy in an office went, hey, we should make a Harry Potter show and they're going, yeah, we should do that. And that's literally the limit of the story.

But anyway, it's big news. It's global. It's everywhere. It's viral because it's Harry Potter. And my wife was like, would you do it if they asked you? And I was like, I don't know. I can't confess to have given it some, any serious thought.

But I don't know. I, uh, I don't have a desire to do it. Let's put it that way. Like, there's obviously many, many factors when it comes to to whether you're going to take a job on or not. I mean, let's be honest, we're, we can claim to be artists all day long, but we're just professionals.

And if, you know, if the money's right, then you'll probably do a lot of things. That's such a huge, epic thing. In terms of wanting to go back to that character, I would genuinely have to say it would have I mean this is me purely speculating it's not going to be about that I'm not going to ask me or anything like that but if they did hypothetically I would have to read I would have to read everything I'd have to know exactly what it was who was doing it you know I'd I always said to my wife like you remember when they did like

saved by the bell the new class and it was just Mr. Belding it's like I don't want to be Mr. Belding well hang on here's what's great if they did it think about this they probably put a little suit on you so you look a little heavier you'd probably they can mess your teeth up you could look a little bit different you can gain some weight for the role and you could look not like you again so you go back to something that you transform

transformation I just I just don't know if I can tell you one thing about my absolute favorite thing about being an actor right is the fact that and I don't know if you have a similar kind of thing but the thing with me is I've never really excelled at anything

like sport or academia like I was I've basically been fine at everything like I'm not really bad at anything I'm just fine at loads of stuff I can do loads of stuff too hard on yourself and so the thing with acting is that I've never actually had to choose sit in and and choose a profession because with acting I can I can do all kinds of different mad shit like I can play soldiers I can play police officers I can play wizards I can you know whatever the role takes I get to adopt a whole new lifestyle and a new, I get to play dress up, you know, I get to get in costume and play make believe. And then when I've done with that, I get to move on and do a different one. I've got a

really short attention span and I get bored really easily with stuff. And I'm really good at focusing all my energy into something for a really short space of time. Like, I will, I will get, when I'm on, when I'm on something that I'm enjoying, I'll be like, I'll be obsessed with it. I'll be obsessive. I'll wake up in the morning. I'll be upset. I'll be like, first thing I think about, I want to do it, do it, do it. And then after about a week, I go, yeah, I'm bored now. And I'll move on. Which with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, uh, fully invested in a role for a couple of months. And then I go, yeah, I'm done with that

now. I get to go and do a different one. And it just keeps it fresh all the time and exciting. And I guess off the back of being in Harry Potter for 10 years, I really enjoy the freedom of being able to do that. And I have kind of shied away from a lot of roles and stuff that have been, oh, this could potentially be another seven years. And I'm just, even without, like, I'll do the self-tape or whatever, but I can feel it when I'm doing the tape. Like, my heart's not in it. Because it's like, oh, I don't know if I want to do something for 10 years. yeah i do the same thing it's it's a lot of it's a commitment it's like you know be careful what you wish for because you know i'm extremely grateful and i always have to

preface it with that but when i did seven years 10 months a year i'm on that show and i didn't see my family much and i uh that's that's what you're doing that's the role you are that's you know that's it so uh you know you got to weigh the options go wow success fame money all this no life or it depends if you're struggling too. It also depends if you're struggling, I would work at McDonald's. So if we're both working at McDonald's, I would do whatever the, I worked at McDonald's once. That's what I mean. Like, I think it's, it's a very, it's very often that people go, like, you talk about the industry and, and there's like, if people take a money job or whatever, there's an idea of it's,

it's selling out or, or you're not a respect, you, you're not respecting the art form or you, whatever. It's like, at the end of the day, it's a fucking job, all right? We're all trying to earn a living. We're not, we didn't all make $25 million on our last movie. So we're all trying to get to the next job and make our next paycheck or whatever. It's like, if I've taken a job because, because it's money, it doesn't mean that I'm selling out. It doesn't mean that I'm like, I'm not going to do a good job. I'm still going to give 110 percent. I'm going to earn that check. It just means that maybe it's a piece of shit. Do you ever, how often do you audition for her? American characters

where you have to get rid of your English accent How many? What percentage? Yeah, quite often actually. Is it hard for you? No, no. So I much prefer doing accents. In fact, the last, apart from, well, so the last film I did, Baby Dunn,

was my own accent. And I really struggled with it. I hate doing stuff in my own accent because I just find an accent is, so some people find it a bit of a straight jacket and they find it quite difficult. I go the other way in that I can fully immerse myself in a character when I find their voice,

when I find their accent, I could just, that allows me to just slip into it so easily. And then suddenly I have a loss of inhibitions. It's almost the complete opposite. The straight jackets come off for me. I find my own voice a straight jacket in that when I'm using it I struggle to differentiate

between myself and the character and I get I have mixed mixed thought processes that go on in my head and that just gets confused and I struggle to commit sometimes to an action

or to align or whatever because I don't know who's saying it Wow so your own voice bothers your own accent your own accent doing that you'd rather prefer not doing that's rare usually people want to it's easier to

be, you know, talk like this and have a conversation. So you prefer, what is your favorite accent to do? Um, it's probably, I really, I really enjoyed doing, so I did a show called Ripper Street where I played a cockney, or east, east end of London. And, uh, that was quite fun, because I was living in London at the time. And, you know, you get, you get cabbies and, and you, you go around London, get on the bus or whatever, and you can hear people talking. And it's, it's, it's Weirdly, it's always an accent that I'd sort of done, like, just pissing about, like, at home and stuff. We'd just, I'd do it all the time.

So that was quite, I quite enjoyed doing that. And that was one that I really, as soon as I did that, I just, I felt, I felt me, Matthew sort of just slip away instantly. Let me hear a little cockney. No, no, you can go and, you can go and pay to stream it if you want to hear it. Teach me a word. How would I say, hey, great to see you, Matthew? you see

Matthew it's great great to see you Matthew they do F a lot of F See I was right I said Matthew Matthew it's great to see you Matthew

Matthew yeah why like that I heard it I feel like that yeah right yeah it's like What about a country accent You know I always notice

like there's an actress on a show right now I'm not going to say anything but it just irks the shit out of me She does this southern accent And she's English I'm English

She's English English. And it's, it fucking destroys me when I watch. She's like, well, I don't even care where you're from. And I'm like,

stop. Nobody, I mean, it's just like, it's so extreme. I mean, she could have done a subtle southern accent,

but it's like, I don't care where you're from. You know who the accent? I absolutely adore. And I can't do it for the life of me. My wife can do it so well. Um, is the girl from,

I should know a name because she's fantastic. Um, from Ozark. He plays Ruth. Oh, She's brilliant. I've only seen the first season, but she's brilliant. Oh, my, like, she's so great in a show anyway.

She's fantastic, but then her, her accent is just, I've, I've, I love it. Yeah, but she fits that. She fits, like, you believe that she's down there. Like, she, oh, yeah. I just buy it. But this, this other one was just came in. I just, it was weird when I was listening to it. Which is tricky as well with accents is that, is that, I think a lot of people think

that it's just as simple as vowel sounds and, and away you go. and the reason why I think that accents help me get into character more is accent is so much more to do with rhythm than it is to do with actual sounds in my opinion and I think that once you get the rhythm of an accent I don't know it just it's the way someone talks you can just there's just things like so I just did all creatures great and small and I was playing a really posh guy had loads of money sort of spoke very Queens English you know, I guess even more posh than James Bond.

Like the crown. Like the crown. Like a very uppity. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And the rhythm of him just, it spoke to me so much about how he behaved. And there was certain dialogue actually that I read. And I was like, that doesn't, that's, he wouldn't say that. It doesn't, it sounds ugly in the, in the, in the accent I'm doing for him. And you just sort of tweak it a little bit. And I don't know how to describe it. It just, when you get it right, it click. and it's really, and I think that it's quite understated finding a character's voice. I think for me personally, it's, it's huge for me.

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listen on your favorite podcast platform. Well, who's the best actor that you loved working with the most? That's a terrible question. The actor you loved working with the most in the history of your life so far. Another terrible framing of a question. Um, I've, I've, that's hard. Alan Rickman. I mean, yeah, I mean, obviously, like, it feels ridiculous to sort of say anyone else, really. You know, there's people who I feel that I've had closer relationships with and people who have probably taught me more. But just the level of just how good he was and how fortunate and ridiculous it was for me to have been working with him at that age. Um, it seems a bit stupid to even suggest anyone else.

I mean, he was, it's just, I, I watch his performances now and I'm just like still going just fuck, like, I wish I could have that time again. I wish I could go back and, and do, and, and, and, and from, like, what I know now, from everything that I've appreciate of him now, but I've been, I was a stupid kid, you know, kids are stupid. Well, you were 17 at the end when you had scenes with him, right? Now I would have been 20, 20 years old. You were 20 years old, so you were an adult.

Yeah, yeah. I just, I was very, I wasn't the outgoing, charming man that you speak to now. I was very, very shy back then. And I didn't, I didn't, I guess take advantage as the wrong word, but I just didn't, I didn't dare speak to hardly any of them, to be honest with you. I just was terrified of them for no reason whatsoever because they're all so, all of them were so nice and so friendly and people have spoken to years later

like Michael Gambon and Robbie Coltrane and a few of the guys that I've sort of since become friends with years later I wish I could have had that relationship when I was younger, I just didn't and obviously sadly Alan's one that I never got a chance to meet again after we after the final premieres and stuff and I just wish that I wish I mean I guess we all have these regrets of when we're younger we look back and we go oh fuck you idiot why did you do that or why didn't you do that um but I do I that's what I do wish I could go back and and work with him again knowing what I know now if that makes sense um that's pretty

profound and it is it's sad it's like you know but that's like you take it as this is a great moment. I got to watch him work. I got to work with him. And you take, take it for, you know, take it for what it's worth and what you did. Even like telling them. Like, I guess he must, you must, they must hear it all the time. Like, people like that must, must genuinely hear it all the time. Oh my God, I'm your biggest fan. Oh, I think you're amazing. But, you know, as a young actor, like, these are people who have shaped you in ways you didn't even realize just from a film you watched when you were nine. Like, you know what I mean? Like, they, they have, they have had an impact on your career without you even realizing it, some of them.

And I don't feel, I mean, I said, I did, I did tell Alan that actually, on the last day, I did, I did say something along those lines. What'd you say? But so many of them, I didn't. Well, I, I think I must have told you this. I, um, on, on his last day, I went to his trailer and even knocking on his door, fucking terrifying. and I just said to him, hey, I know it's your last day, and I just wanted to say, this has been

incredible, like, to have worked with you for this long, I know that we've not really spoken very much, but I just want to say that it wasn't, you know, it was because I was terrified, but you were incredible, and I just want to say, thank you for allowing me to work with you for 10 years and not ever shouting at me or, you know, treating any of us, anything less than your equal. Wow. And he was like, come on in. And he put the kettle on and we had a cup of tea and we just chatted about what I was

going to do, you know, in my career going forward and what he recommended I do. And, and, yeah, I mean, it was just, I'm so glad I did that. I wish I'd done it five years earlier, you know what I mean? but I was at least I can say I did that like that's one thing I never did that with anyone else I didn't know that story oh yeah yeah so because he was

I think he was I don't know what his job title was but he was he was quite important at Rader at the time I'm not entirely sure exactly what he was like he was president or something of Rader I don't know and he was talking about how he thought I should go to drama school that was probably him

very politely criticizing me I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But this is what goes through my head all the time. But he was, no, he did say, you can do it. He said that to me. Those are his words. You know, you can do it. But his point was that I would need, my skills would need honing. And he was absolutely right about that. And he recommended theatre and doing theatre. And that's why I did some theatre, which, I mean, he couldn't have been more right about that. that I learned so much more, so much more about myself as not only just an actor, but as a person, like what, what do I want out of life? What do I want out of this career? I learned all

that on stage. I didn't learn that on Harry Potter. I learned all that, like, when you're in the firing line of critics every week on stage. And I developed all my thick skin and, well, thicker skisking, um, doing that. And that's what I think he was telling me to go and do, you know, going, because Harry, if you're doing Harry Potter, you've got it easy. You're, uh, you can hide behind a lot of people, you can hide behind scenery for crying out loud, you can get away with a lot. When you're doing 40 takes of every scene and, and, and you've got spells going off and explosions and all this, it's, they can just chop and chop that to pieces. They're going to make everyone look respectable, you know?

So were there, yeah, yeah, were there times where when you, go ahead, sorry, finish that. No, I was just going to say when you're on stage, you don't have that luxury. Did you see a lot of people, like some people who just couldn't get their lines out and then you watch their performance, you're like, holy shit, they cut them perfectly. Yeah, of course. I mean, I still see that. I still see that on TV shows that I've done.

I can't get the lines out. I can't get the, fuck, what is it? What is it? Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's one of the important things as well about, about, not just Hollywood, But just the industry in general is that what people have to believe at home is that it's all make-believe. It's all curated, you know, to make the person look as good as they possibly can do. And that's not me being critical of performances of people at all.

I'm just saying that people have to be realistic about these things. Whereas in theatre, again, you don't have that look. luxury it is you're on your own yeah you're out there you're on your own and you are bearing your soul in a way like you're saying to all these people in the theater here guys this is an expression that I feel and I hope you like it and they might like it they might hate it and that's quite a terrifying thing to do really um I I guess it's like writing a song you know you write a song and you play it um it might be the fucking worst song of all time or it might be brilliant you don't know until you play it in front of people but what it's come from

here right and that's a very bearing naked vulnerable thing to do um and uh that's where i guess that's where the thrill comes from isn't it i guess we all must be adrenaline junkies in some way oh yeah it's funny because i get this adrenaline you get you get a job and then you go oh my god then you go into the fear stage and then you start working it now yeah you start working it out and you're like okay maybe i can do this and then you get to set there's just all these emotions you go through It's kind of crazy. All right, this is called shit talking with Matthew Lewis. This is rapid fire.

Little Lisa, can you share with us one of your favorite behind-the-scenes moments that happened on the set of Harry Potter? One that maybe you haven't told. That is, they've got me supposed to be quick fire, isn't it? I hate these questions. I hate these questions because, do you know, I'll tell you why. Just quickly while I think of it in the back of my mind, I hate these questions, right? Because we've been answering questions like this for, like, more than 10 years now.

and I always feel it's it's not fair to say the same old shit so I try and think of something new and I can never think of anything and so I get really stressed because I want to give something that's new and exciting and I've not heard before

you could just come up with something it could be the same thing you've said before but just quickly a behind the scenes moment what's one thing that you remember okay so I remember one time speaking of accents I remember one time on Harry Potter one

I think I had to say a line, has anyone seen my toad? As in like Trevor, the toad, like a frog thing. And because of the way I actually speak, my accent is, does anyone see my toad? And Chris Columbus was sort of in hysterics behind the monitor. And I did it a few more times. Anyone seen my toad? And eventually he had to come out and he says, Matthew,

it sounds like you're saying, has anyone seen my turd? And it sounds like you've hidden a little shit. around the common room and people like we're American audiences are not going to understand what you're saying so I had to work with Sandra freeze who was like our voice coach to figure out a way that I can say has anyone seen my toad instead of turd and I haven't seen the film in like fucking 20 years I don't even know if it's I think they probably cut it out I don't know I think it was it sounded so much like I was saying they don't see my shit that uh that's a great

story if you could uh Leanne if you could only put one thing on your bucket list what would it be and why I want to go, so I've done, so I had a few things on my bucket list and I've managed to inexplicably tick off quite a few already. So I wanted to go, I had three, I had a bucket list of three, which is me just bragging about cool shit I've done, but I was going to do great white shark diving, a bungee jump and a skydive and I've done all three. So I've been thinking lately, like now that we're all in lockdown, like what the fuck am I going to do when we come out of lockdown? And one thing I want to do, which I don't know is going to speak very much to the American audience, but I want to go and watch an Ashes series, which is cricket down under

in Australia. So it's England v Australia. They play every two years. They've been doing it for 140 years or whatever, and I want to go and watch one in Australia. They alternate home and away, and the next one is the end of this year in Australia, and I really want to go. Fuck, that sounds cool. Claudine Ann, I know you're a huge Leeds United fan.

How do you feel the Premier League is doing during the pandemic? It's been the mental season. it's been crazy the craziest season I've ever seen I think that everyone is I guess suffering is kind of the word teams are suffering from the pandemic obviously no one's got any money so no one's signing loads of players it feels like we've had a very short preseason

so maybe some teams aren't quite as up to speed as they were I think it's just been very unsettling for a lot of teams you know all like trying to be in bubbles and it's meant there's been some completely insane crazy results which the only people who actually the people who benefit is the spectator it's been the best season of football I've seen in years and that's not just because Leeds are in it

I mean we are like the most entertaining team in world football right now but that's not the point is that it's just the pandemic has been terrible for many many reasons but it has made football more interesting so every cloud right yeah Maisha is there a dream role you wish you could play in any genre I would like to do a Western

I would like to play a cowboy. I'm quite fascinated by, I do love that era. I just like the costumes and, like, do you know, you're a Maverick, like not the original,

but the film with Mel Gibson, I always thought he looked so fucking good in that, and I always wanted to dress like Maverick, and then I was watching Butch Cassie and the Sundance Kid again over Christmas, and I was thinking just how amazing Robert Redford looks in that movie, like, how cool is Sundance. And they're incredibly handsome, too.

It's just like, what a character. So I'd love to play someone like that. Sundance kid, I could never do it. But that would be a dream. Yeah, I'd probably be the guy that has a really shaggy beard and he's like the third horse behind. And he's like, Owen, take care of it. And I'm like, you got it, boss.

I'd be that guy. I'd be like, yeah, I'll take care. I'd be that loser guy in the, you know, and they're trying to blow, when they're trying to blow up the, they're trying to rob the train, right? And there's that little guy who's locked himself inside. And he's like, I work for E.H. I'd be that guy.

That'd be me. I would take both those roles for us to work in a Western. Yeah, right, let's do it. Last one, Taylor Kay. What was your favorite Harry Potter film? I know you've been asked it. And did you keep any props from any of the movies, anything? My favorite one to watch.

Does that mean to watch, I guess? How about to watch or to, or just your most, the most entertaining one? Man, I've only seen them all once. I think, it's the most recent ones. It's a bit of a cop-out. but I think the last one was pretty exciting, I enjoyed watching that. I remember getting...

There was something quite exciting about it being the end. I mean, it was quite... There was a thrill involved that, you know, when the final battle was about to start, you know, we're going into Act 3 and it was like, oh shit, like this is it now.

It's all going to kick off. And there was something quite exciting about that. I did enjoy that film a lot. And it was pretty, like, action-packed. fast pace, didn't let up very much. I was in it a lot. The Hallows. That was good.

Yeah, Deathly Hallows Part 2. I think that one. I don't remember the rest of them, to be honest. I like the fourth one. Goblet of Fire was good. I remember Goblet of Fire being quite good because I like the whole tournament. That's why Try Wizard Tournament. Yeah, that's right.

Try Wizard Tournament. I enjoyed all that stuff. That was good. What was the next bit of that question? But did you take any props home anything? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I took loads of stuff, actually. We weren't allowed to take very much.

I mean, we weren't allowed to take anything. I managed to smuggle stuff out. So we couldn't get ones. Ones were no. But I tell you what I've got, which is gross. I got my false teeth, which is disgusting. I'm just going to ask you that. You have your false teeth.

Yeah, yeah. I kept them. And I kept the fake ears. You know, when the pixies pulled my ears up. I kept them. I've got those latex-like ears. what else I got I've got

well speaking of the Triwizard tournament I took a chunk this is such a weird thing to take but the maize where they did the one of the things

was in a maze and I just took a chunk of the maze like of the tree I just took a chunk of that I've got my entire costume from the final movie

that's great I won't say who did it because they might be able to figure it out but someone came into my dressing room at the end of the day on the last day

and was like do you want this and I said yes. They said, put it in your bag right now, and I will leave the room. And I said, okay. So I, I guess I stole that. So I've got, I've got that, which is cool, because when you go to the museum and they have the one there and they say, oh, that's the one that you wore in the film, I'm like, no, it's not, because I've got it. But there was like, you know, we had like multiple costumes for different units and stuff, but the actual hero one, the main one, I've, I've got that.

Do you ever think you'd ever put it up in the house as a prop? I was like, you know, like, look at me. You'd have to get one of those, what do they call them? Do you know, partitions glass or whatever? No, like a mannequin. I had to get a mannequin to dress up with it. A bit weird, wouldn't it? I was thinking, this is, this is, we just moved into this house.

Well, we moved in last year, but we've not had any money to do anything. So we've, this is very bare. This is my office slash guest room. And I've just starting to put stuff on the walls. I don't even can see behind me. I've got like a, I've got an electric screwdriver over there. Okay, you're starting. I can do, uh, I can do, uh, I can do DIY stuff.

I can do that, you know, I can do manly things. Nice. And so we're, um, I'm putting shelves up and I'm going to be putting stuff up and I've, I've actually just asked if there's any way to get like a Harry Potter poster or something that I can put up on the wall. Just because I've never, I've never really been a collector of my own stuff. I've always found it a bit embarrassing, a bit, a bit, a bit cringe worthy, a bit, a bit, I don't know, I'm always so desperate to not be self-promotional and not be, like, self-aggrandizing, I guess.

I don't know, I just, I don't like to show off very much. So I'd never bothered to get anything, like any magazine covers that I've been on or, or film posters. I don't own any of this stuff. And I just suddenly thought, like, maybe, again, I'm getting older or whatever. I thought it would be quite a nice thing to put up, actually. so I have I know you are do you know what it's funny because the reason I said I said to my mate I was like you know what every time I go around an actor's house they've got all these amazing posters and photographs of them with like people I remember that one of you and

Clint Eastwood and I'm like why the fuck don't have anything up yeah well by the way it's okay like my thing is it goes in your office or maybe your podcast room nothing else like for me the rest of the house you don't touch but if you want to keep pictures of you and actors and things and stuff it can go in your office that's you so have a Harry Potter poster put up your suit I mean I feel like I looked at the picture of you and Clint Eastwood while I was having a piss was in the bathroom down so that was in the bathroom screening room but I took that down and I put I put a uh taxidermied piranha fish there instead okay but no you're right but I should like I think the idea is that I there's there's a level

of humility that you can have but then sometimes you can go you know what that was fucking cool I'm proud of that I haven't quite got there yet but I would like to be able to do that a little bit more. I'm just, I'm really, I'm really bad at self-promotion. I'm really bad at it. I don't like doing all that stuff. Well, look, I love that you do therapy. I love that you're constantly working on yourself. I think you're terrific. I think you're a great actor. I think you've done a lot of great stuff and it's time to start going, hey, I'm good. I'm humble. I'm, you know, and, you know, it's, you're, you really are hard on yourself. I'm hard on myself. It's amazing you don't have more anxiety because, you know, being hard on yourself is taxing.

because you've got to love yourself and believe in yourself and all these things and it's easier said than done and I think that takes a lot of work but I think you're on a good path and you're a lot younger than I am and what are you 31 now? Yeah 31 yeah

Jesus man that means when I was 16 you were zero well look man I just think I think it's about I think it's about context I think it's about appreciating that our industry is

in so many ways and you get scrutinized and put on the sport and you're all based on how you look and like so few industries in the world people can

openly slag you off on social media or whatever and it's encouraged like people people do that and it's fine and I think that you have to look at it in context and go yeah

but we're also doing what we love not many people get paid to do what they love and we're handsomely you know, rewarded for it and it's sort of, you just got to take it on the chin. And ultimately, ultimately, and here's the key thing that I'm trying very hard to do in recent years. And I said this earlier. And I think everyone in every industry can benefit from this. But it's like, do it for you. Obviously, you've got to get money on, you know, money

in the bank and whatever, but do it for you. Like, when you go, and I say this to every, every time someone asks me about, oh, how do I become a young actor? What do I do? What's the best advice. I've got no practical advice for actors. I don't know shit about acting. I make it up as I go along. But what I'll say mentally is that you just have to appreciate that what you are doing all has to come from here. For it to be real and believable and accurate, it has to come from here. And just because someone else's lived experience isn't the same as yours, and so they don't get it, it doesn't mean it's not right. It doesn't mean that someone else won't get it. So when you go into a casting room where you do a tape, you go, hey, this is my truth, this is what I'm bringing

to this character, this is what I think works. If you don't get it, it doesn't mean it's shit, it doesn't mean it's wrong, just wasn't what they were looking for. But someone else might have liked it. I don't think there's such a thing as a bad actor. Okay, well, there are some bad actors. I don't think there's bad actors on film and TV. I don't think bad actors get jobs. I think lazy actors might get jobs. And I think that certainly, like take Nicholas Cage, for example, right? He does some mad shit, okay? Completely mad choice. is really wild. But it speaks to some people.

It might not speak to everyone, but it speaks to some people. And that's that's heart, isn't it? And if he enjoys it, then who cares? I was just going to end it with, you know, which should make us all feel good is,

you know, there's always going to be great actors. But there's always going to be a lot of shitty actors that are also working, and God bless them, that are happy. So why should shitty actors be happy?

And someone who's not as shitty. I'm not saying me. I'm saying in general. So it's like, there's everybody. There's actors that are like, they know they're not that great, but they're working,

they're doing whatever and they're happy and they're, we can't all be De Niro. We can't all be whatever. Right. You got to do it for you. We got to do it because we love it. We got to do it because also when, you know,

even this podcast, like I was thinking of quitting it a while back. And, you know, then I realized, wait a minute, there's people who benefit from this and people who really love it. And I go, and the big question was, do you love it? And I'm like, yeah.

That's it. I kind of do. That's the question. And that is fulfilling to do something you love. My brother's like, I heard your new song today because I'm coming out with a new album. And he goes, you know, I really love it. I go, yeah, he goes, what are you going to do with it? I go, I don't know.

I'm not going to ever be a rock star, but I did it because I really just love music. It's as simple as that. And particularly in a pandemic, we're all in lockdown. We're all fucking trying to figure out what to do with ourselves. If you're doing a podcast and one person's listening to it, are you enjoying it? Because that's all that matters. Well, then no.

If it's just one, no. I know what you're saying. We probably don't enjoy it then. Then you should stop. Then you should absolutely stop and just never do a podcast again. But if you enjoy it, the point is if you're enjoying it, just fucking keep doing it. Who cares, man?

Yeah, I enjoy it. I enjoy it. And I enjoyed this conversation. That's all right. Hey, this was awesome. I hope to see you. man, it's been too long when this is all over. Hopefully you'll come back.

I'd love to come to Florida. Don't say where you are. But maybe if you're close to my grandmothers, I can make a pit stop. Where's your grandmother? She lives in Fort Lauderdale. Of course she does. And you should be lived down there.

Well, it's God's waiting room. No, I'm not near there. Huh? It's God's waiting room. Yeah. I don't live down there. But you're more than welcome any time. Of course, come hang out with us.

And you can stay in this bed here. I'll keep the bed. I'll keep the bed just until. you uh until you've stayed and that's a good reason to get rid of it after i've slept in it's going to be full of posters of just me i love it you give me something to jerk off to at night yeah dude i love you man give angela my love and thanks for coming on and thanks for allow me to be inside you again buddy it's my pleasure thank you matthew lewis for uh joining us in the podcast it was a real pleasure having you on um i hope you guys enjoyed that and if you were listening

if you're here for matthew lewis i hope you sick around for the next episodes we've got great ones coming up. And yeah, we also had Jason Isaacs the week before, uh, from Harry Potter as well. So you could listen to him, kind of a back to back Harry Potter, uh, Stravaganza. We're trying to rope in a certain audience here, Michael. I think we're trying to rope in any audience. Yeah. Um, we have a great audience and there's a great listenership here. And, uh, I love them dearly. And my patrons, if you want to join patron, uh, it's a way to support the podcast extra on the side. And, uh, Without my patrons, I don't know if I'd have a podcast. So thank you all my to all my patrons.

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