Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Medium JOHN EDWARD: His Forbidden Passion, Stories From the Other Side & Losing Dr. Phil

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

World renowned medium John Edward (Evolve+) joins us this week to share his introduction to reading energy and unique stories throughout his career of reading for people. John talks about his experience of reading under pressure while on TV and the day that evidently got him blackballed from the Dr. Phil show. We also talk about the public’s cynicism towards mediums, working with the FBI, and how to deal with grief or loss. Go support John by heading over to https://evolveplustv.com/ Thank you to our sponsors: 🛋️ Wayfair: https://wayfair.com 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside 🚗 NHTSA: https://www.nhtsa.gov/ ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: ⁠https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou⁠ 👕 Inside Of You Merch: ⁠https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/⁠ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 ⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show⁠ __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: ⁠https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠ 🤣 TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast⁠ 📘 Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/⁠ 🐦 Twitter: ⁠https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod⁠ 🌐 Website: ⁠https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello, Michael Rosenbaum. Good to see it. We've got another great guest, and it's nice to see different people, not just directors, actors, whatever yeah but this guy psychic medium slash author slash really good guy and he was insightful and uh i wanted to pick his brain which i did so we'll get into john edward in a minute but just a few things just a few things i hope you guys had a great week i hope you're taking care of your mental health i hope you're exercising i hope you're going to therapy doing whatever it takes to be the best you um you know i just got i was in a uh brain surgeon

brain or brain specialist office this morning i had to leave at 630 this morning got there at like eight in agora hills oh my god i just got home so it's like three and a half hours of bullshit but he was great um really insightful so i had some images on my brain that my surgeon didn't love so he sent it to him and he looked at and we talked and he wasn't worried at all he's like no i'm not worried cool so that's a relief that's good yeah but he talked a lot about self-help stuff talked about you know john sarno you read john sarno's book on pain on back pain it's really good um he's the doctor that was on howard stern years ago or he he wasn't on stern but stern used him he had horrible horrible chronic back pain and sarno cured it and after sarno died stern

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Today's guest is really interesting. I've been excited about this for a long time. I watched him when I was a kid. John Edward, he had a show. And it was just mind boggling. Some people have that touch. And so it's interesting. I ask him what he thinks of skeptics and we get in all of it.

So let's get into the sweet. And very insightful, John Edward. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. This is exciting for me. Because I usually have actors, directors, so I don't normally have, you know, have, well, well you're an author right and you're also a psychic medium i am i was a little nervous because i was

i was such a fan um i remember um watching you when i was uh you're not much older than i how old are you i am 55 55 yeah how why do i feel like i've been i i've because i i watched crossing over with john edward years ago and my mom and i were just like fascinated just blown away by like the insight and just the the gift you have thank you and so it was it was wild and you know there's obviously a lot of skeptics and people will sit there and shoot you down and this and that and i guess the first question i have is how did you really how did this all happen i mean glen cove right happy family um it define happy in a in different ways mom and dad divorced so pseudo happy up you know up until a certain period of time right uh not very close to my dad moved in

with my mom's mom so I lived in my grandmother's house right my mom was one of 11 Italian kids right so I kind of have more of that family dynamic so that was happy like having like being raised by what felt like a tribe of female elders right um and and that tribe of energy loved the psychic world Really? Oh my God. So you were influenced at a young age from that. I was exposed. Exposed. How so? Well, let's see. You, you know, in the Italian heritage, if you got a headache, that meant somebody may have put the melochia on you or... Malayca? The maloicaa, the bad eye, the evil eye. Oh, kind of like when Jewish people say, kind of hurrah, to ward out the evil or whatever. Right. So then, you know, you would hear like, oh, have Anna do the eyes for you. What does that? Like, what does that mean?

So, you know, like a little bit of Italian folklore mixed in with having psychics and people come to the house to do readings a few times a year. I was exposed to it. But my dad was a New York City police officer. He was a career military guy, not a fan of the subject. Tough guy. Yeah. He was, yes. He's not with us anymore.

He's not. No, both my parents have passed. Tough guy in the sense of how he was when it came to communication. tough guy in the sense of he was militant and conditional in his emotional expression. But everybody loved Jack. Like, everybody loved him. So it was a difficult dynamic for me growing up in a family where I had one experience with him, but everybody else loved him.

So it kind of put me in a position of, you're a bad son. Like, you're not, you're not, what are you not doing right? Kind of a vibe. So reading energy from a young age, I was always kind of like taking things in from people and going, am I a bad son? I'm like, no, we just have a very different dynamic here. So he was not open to the subject matter. And I had a reading that put me on this path.

You had a reading. I had a reading. This was from the woman in New Jersey or whatever. Yes, it was Lydia Clare. I was 15. I fixed that wire, would you? This wire. I'm so OCD.

Put it around this way. Yeah, there you go. We're good. sometimes I just I look at things like no no that needs to be over there we can be related then are you OCD too yeah yeah I'm like the poster to Ryan I go that poster's a little can you move that that way I do that and I'm very organized and I'm very if I'm not then my mind because it's I'm already OCD ADD I'm all the it's just it's just not good for me I have a theory of when it comes to clutter clutter to me is like a blockage so I know that people say like you know oh the most brilliant minds

they can have the most clutter desk and I'm like no no clutter is an energetic blockage things have to be in its place I agree if you're not like organized around you how could your mind be organized if everything's in place then you can start to compartmentalize or whatever right yep I agree with that Ryan are you messy he doesn't have his mic so he's like yeah he's messyish so you're your dad but first of all I want to go to the New Jersey woman but your dad He looked, would you say he looked down on it? Like, he was just like, oh, come on. No, no, he forbid it.

He forbid it. He forbid it. So he forbid you from doing it. No, he forbid my mom from having me around it. So it was make sure my son is not around any of that stuff, which was fine. I was never around any of that stuff until they divorced. When I moved into my grandmother's house, that's where it happened. Right.

So I had an experience with this one woman. I had a, I asked my mom if I could go and I wanted to debunk her. I wanted to show that she would not be able to do to me what she was doing to everybody else in the room. And that had gone into the room and come back from me. So in your mind, you thought, I'm going to go do this. I'm going to put it out of my head. My dad's right.

I'm just going to debunk this woman and I'll be done with it. Yeah. I didn't think my dad was right. I don't think I, you know what? I might have had that in the back of my head, hypothetically now looking back. Yeah. I don't think I had that clearly in my goal.

Like I wasn't looking for his approval in that moment. or maybe I was. I don't know. Yeah. You're making me go inside now, right? Yeah, I'm getting inside of you. This is what's happening here. But maybe, I mean, it's like, you're like, you know, I'm going to see if this is real

for yourself. You're doing it for yourself, but maybe subconsciously you're doing it for your father. Who knows? I think what really happened that day was my grandmother came down upset and it bothered me because my grandmother was like my world. She was like my superhero. She was like my savior. And when things weren't good at home, she always was.

Like, she was that spot. Unconditional love. Unconditional love. Didn't want anything from you except just to make you happy. Just wanted the family to be family. Wanted everybody to be safe. It's so important to have someone in your life like that because it feels like there's not many. There's like some, you know, people are taken from you.

People are ulterior motives, this and that. And then there's those that just want to see you happy. My grandmother survived my mom. So. What do you mean? She, my mom passed before my grandmother. Never easy. No.

Losing your child. No. I can't imagine. So I, I had my grandmother for six or seven years after my mom had died. And it was a really tight bonding experience, even more so than before that, because now I felt I had to take care of her because she lost her child. You know, my mom was number nine out of 11. We live there. So she becomes the child, essentially.

In a way, in a way, even though she's... Emotionally. I felt like I had a portrait of my mom done that hung in the dining room that my grandmother had that she could see every day. You still have that? I now have it in my house. You have in your house? I know have it.

Wow. So you go to the debunking of this woman. I do. Because this woman made my grandmother cry. And this woman, when my grandmother came down from the room, I was like, what did this woman say to you that's making you upset? She goes, I'm not upset because I'm not crying because I'm upset. I'm crying because I'm happy.

I was like, what did she say to you to make you cry? it wasn't like a fun and game thing anymore now. It's like, whoa, what's going on here? Like, what did she say? And she proceeded to tell her that my deceased grandfather, who I never knew, was standing behind her and gave her a whole mess of validations that I was like, okay, how did she know that? I couldn't figure out how she knew that. So then I went logical. I was like, well, maybe she looked at all the people that went to her before, like in the room before my grandma got up there and extrapolated this information from them. So I went to the list of people who who went before, none of them knew my grandfather.

So none of them could have given her that information. So I was out a little bit of a loss. And that's what prompted the, I want to, I want to show you what she's doing. And when I went for the reading, she, uh, scary, accurate lady. So what was it that kind of made you, what was she saying to you? What did she say to you that made you go, whoa? Well, the first thing that she said to me that made me go, whoa, was the. that she brought to the experience, you know, when you meet somebody that you think is going to be

like a joke and instead of commands your attention, that was the first thing. I was like, oh, this woman's like serious. She's like, she's like really serious. And she took my high school ring and she performed what's called psychometry. And psychometry is where you would hold onto a person's object and you could read the energy of the object or you could read the person. So there's objective psychometry and subjective psychometry. So she was doing subjective psychometry. She took it. She looked down. She put it up towards her third eye and just started rambling information. Didn't ask me anything, just started talking. And the first thing that she said was, I had highly evolved beings of white and gold light

that were ready to work with me. And she was there that day to put me on my path. And again, I say, I was 15 years old. And it was a... Wow. Yeah. It was like... I mean, this is the opposite of what you're expecting to hear.

You're expecting here to kind of read you and read your family and all this stuff. and kind of give you, and all of a sudden, she's saying, you have something. I was expecting her to ask me a ton of questions and give me a bunch of, like, superficial things that made, like, sense generically to anybody. Right. This was the first thing that she said to me. So I jokingly say it was as if she said, you know, I'll take your fur ride on my spaceship. Like, that's what it felt like.

So how did you go from there? Did you, were you kind of like, I don't know, I don't know if this is what I want to do? Maybe there's something here. What was it? Oh, no, no. I literally thought she was batch of crazy. Like, that was my, like, I just went, I went from the place of like, oh, this isn't real to, oh, she's, like, mentally challenged.

Right. Like, that's the place that you have to logically go hearing that. Right. Then she started giving me information that I would say was generally specific. Meaning, I had that moment of like, whoa, this does apply. But wait a minute. Could I apply this like five other people that are in high school? I could.

And then the last part, she started giving me like, names of people I was connected to circumstances and situations that there's no possible way that she could have known unless I was actually with her and like told her. So some of it my mom would not have been thrilled about and I legitimately remember thinking, oh, I have to lie now. Like I have to lie to this woman. She's like, do you understand what this is? And I went, no, I don't. And she smiled like she knew I was lying. And then proceeded to give me more information about it, which made me very uncomfortable because I wanted to get out of the room now. So when I got out of the room, my mom's like, So what happened? And I couldn't tell her about the last part. So I told her about the first part. My mom

laughed and she goes, yeah, she clearly couldn't read you. But what she told me started to unfold and happen within days and weeks after the reading. And it unnerved me a little bit because I was trying to figure out like, okay, how did she know that stuff? How would she know those names? Like, where did she get that from? Can't guess. So I was like, I got it. She's a mind reader. She like read what was in here. And I was okay with that because that gave me a plausible explanation for how she knew what she knew. But then went to the place of I, she can't, she can't know the future. She can't be in my mind. I didn't know what was going to happen. And stuff that she said started to happen. So I had to reframe that experience. And that just sent me to the Glencoe Public

Library where I read every book that they had on the occult. Back then, it was under the occult section. And that's when I started to realize maybe it wasn't as normal as I thought. Wow. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money. Period. It's Rocket Money. It's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. This is just a wonderful app. There's a lot of apps out there that really you have to do this and pay for and that but with rocket money it's they're saving you money you're getting this app to save money um i don't know how many times that i've had these

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Nope. Do you know what else works? Lie down. When someone's taking your blood, lie down. You can't because your heart is at the same level. There's some kind of, I don't know, science to it. I had a bodybuilder pass out on top of me. He was like, ginormous. The needle wasn't even out yet. He goes, I just want you know that I get really nervous. So I'm very, very confident. I'm like, no, no, I got this. I'm like, you're going to be good. I was like, you're going to be good. I'm like, you're going to be good. I'm like, you're going to be good. And the next thing I know, like, I pulled the vacutane or the tube of the blood. Oh, he does always the tube. So in my mind, it's like, we're still safe. It's just the tube. And it's like, boom. Big muscular guy. Boom. Like six foot five guy. Like huge. And he probably injected himself. I had to ask the, uh, the x-ray tech. I was across the hall. I was

like, need some help in here. That's amazing. You're also a ballroom dancer instructor. That's how I met my wife. Yeah. I actually wanted to stay inside inside her world. So I took, I met her through take. She was my teacher. I met her through taking lessons. And then I wanted to stay. I couldn't afford. to keep taking the lessons. So I was like, I'm going to help teach. So I went up teaching at a different studio. So you're a good dancer. I can hold my own. Do you still dance? No, but I can still hold my own. You're still married? I'm still married. Same wife. Same wife. 30 years. So you think maybe it's kind of timed a little for her birthday to take her dancing or something. You ever do that? She's a, she actually jokes with me and says she's hung up her dance, dance shoes. So we have a, we have an online platform called

Evolve Plus and one of the things that we're about ready to launch a channel on there. Evolve Plus. Devolve Plus. TV. And we're about ready to launch a like a little vertical on there called Move. And I keep teasing. We've got to get Sandra to pick up her shoes and start teaching again. You think she will? I don't know.

We'll see. She's young. We'll see. She's your age. Yeah. She's younger than me. And you have kids? I have two kids.

Two. How old? 22 and 18. And what do they think about what you do? They love it. They look at as being normal. Do they ask you like, Dad, what do you feel about me today? No, it's the other way around. I actually asked them because they were raised in the world of energy. So they were raised with a perspective of looking at things with a different sensitivity. So they understand neurology, they understand astrology. They understand astrology. They know how to work with energy? They didn't how to protect their energy? So if I'm looking for objective insights on something, I'll be like, how do you feel about this? And both of them actually studied astrology. I don't do astrology. So they've studied astrology. You think signs and all that stuff is is pretty accurate. I think it's accurate. I think it's important to be careful not to

overinterpret or over create a narrative about it. Right. Because every time I read something about being a cancer, I'm like, wow, they're right. Sensitive, stubborn. Oh, oh, you mean that astrological signs? Astrological signs. 100%. I thought you meant like seeing signs.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah. In my world, signs have different meanings. I should have said astrological. Yeah. So, yeah, no, you could get somebody, they think it'd be very scary, like really, really scary. Yeah. Like certain signs stay away from.

Are there any signs you would stay away from in a relationship? What I stay away from, I just would be more heightened and aware of Virgo's. I think that their superpower is the gift of critique, and they can be overly sensitive. What are you? A Libra. And what's your wife? Leo. So you guys get along, all right.

What about a cancer and a Sagittarius? Cancer and the Sagittarius, I guess. Well, cancer's water. Sagittarius is fire, so the satch could put out the cancer. Hmm. Okay. No, that's good. That's good.

So your kids kind of read you a little bit. Do you think, and do you think it has to do with a certain energy? Like, everything is energy. Everything is energy and frequency and vibration. And I think we should always be conscious. And that's how they were raised. I feel like I energetically parented them

to recognize energy and to understand energy as actions and consequences and, you know, reactions to things and understanding the positive and negative choices and using that so that they could have a like an energetic lens to look at life through. You know, it's funny you say that because the first thing I think of when I think of energy is confrontation and if somebody's energy is a little different, you know, reading their energy and going, you know, I don't need to be around this person or I don't need to be, you know,

they have a bad energy, a bad aura about them or something. Energy will tell you so much about everyone, you know, it's really true. And I always want people to trust what it is that they're feeling. and it doesn't make logical sense. And I don't mean just trust blindly. But if you get like a weird feeling about someone, you should pay attention to that. I do. I read people really well.

I'm a really good judge of character. That's, I think one of my gifts is, you know, if you put all my friends together, they all work. Because everybody, you know, I feel like the people that I hang out with are mostly just genuine, good heart, goodhearted people. And maybe that's through experience. But like, I think I've always been like that. But like in your industry, right, where there's a lot of maybe superficiality that comes across and definitely a lot of ego, right? You have to kind of navigate where is the authenticity that's coming from. And people talk about in your field the authenticity of doing the work, the character, but I think that also stems from getting inside the person.

Like if you understand that person, you can see what they're drawing from when it comes to what they do. Some people when they're acting are just themselves and some people can morph and turn into something completely. completely different. Yeah. Do you get nervous because, I mean, I just watched these videos of you on Kelly Clarkson, Dr. Phil, where he was just like looking at you and like I almost teared up, Anderson Cooper, Drew Barrymore. You've done all these shows and you go out there and you have this energy. Do you ever get nervous? Like, what if I'm not able to read anybody's energy today? What if you shut your head right away? I get a little bit anxious that the person I'm going to attempt to read for isn't going to know their family or isn't going to

recognize the information. So I've had that happen on radio shows for, you know, I've been doing this for 40 years and this is my 40th year. So like I've had multiple experiences, whether it be radio or television or in a group setting where the person's like, no, no, no, no. And I just have to trust what it is that I'm getting. And that comes from a very, very specific reading that changed my reading style. And that was I read for a woman whose husband came through. And the husband was given me very specific information about their family. And she kept saying, no, no, no, no, no. And then finally she was from Bensonhurst, Brooklyn. She slammed her hand down on my desk. And she's like, that SOB should be dead because that's my ex-husband. I have two grown daughters

with him. If he was dead, I would know. Move on. And I was like, oh, okay. reading you know ended shortly thereafter but to this woman's credit to her credit she wrote me a letter and she apologized saying that she found out after the reading that he was indeed passed he did pass in the way that I had said wow and I remember standing in my kitchen it makes you look kind of stupid right yeah well I didn't yes clearly but in that moment I actually didn't feel stupid in that moment, I actually felt, I felt remorse because I didn't have the tenacity to stick to the information. So that made me reflect on years before. How many readings did I maybe mess up? Because I didn't have the tenacity to stick with what I was getting when the person said no to me.

And I was like, oh, I failed him. So as a result of that, my reading style changed. So if people watch me read, you'll see me say, you know, no, you do. And here's why. And here's what I'm backing it up with. And here's what I mean. And then subsequently after that, I was invited to be part of an HBO documentary called Life After Life, America Undercover Life After Life. And there was a testing component to that. So I got a chance to be part of a University of Arizona double-blind studies. And I was like part of three officials like testings. That also helped to shift my reading style because part of doing that testing was you would have to read for a person who was behind a screen and then they couldn't talk for like 10 minutes and you still had to give

them the information and then when they were able to talk they were either yes or no and then subsequent any type you do any type of double blind studies or lab tests you have to replicate and extend data points so they always kind of built on the tests so I did that three times so that also helped to change my my reading style so you evolve essentially as we all should right in what we do And essentially, you stick to your guns. You've learned to really stick to your guns. You're like, I'm not going to let this go because this is what I feel. Well, here's what I tell people.

I might be wrong with the interpretation, but I want you to know what I'm seeing, hearing, and feeling in case I screwed up. Right. What about, like, FBI? Have you ever worked with the FBI or any police, like detectives to try and help solve a case? And have you ever had success in doing it? So I have been, over the years, pulled into a couple of experiences, usually through the families and the readings, where it all comes up where something comes up in a reading and then they acknowledge it. However, for the last 25 years, I've forged a friendship with one specific FBI agent who's now retired. And there

was a book coming out this September that is called Chasing Evil. So that's- Chasing Evil is the big book, right? And you're a New York Times bestseller. So this is, this is coming out when? September. September, 2025. Yeah, chasing evil. It's a, I'm, I'm a little bit anxious about this one, to be honest. Why? Everybody asked me that. I'm anxious about it because there's a vulnerability to it that I think the realization in working with the co-author of Bob Hilland on this book is, I think he represented my dad in a big way.

Oh, wow. So, you know, working with him and then realizing like, oh, I see what you've been doing here. Because it became less about seeking approval from my father, but seeking approval because my dad used to say, like, why is it that whenever a psychic works with the police, they always say the body's found by water. The planet's like 90% water. The odds are in the psychic's favor. So there's a lot of those comments. But yeah, so he came to debunk me because he heard me on the radio and decided to take it on his own to like, I just don't like this guy. I'm just going to like take him out. So he started, obviously, had a liking towards you and, like, believe what you're saying. He was trying to debunk you at first. Yeah. Yeah. He heard me on W.

PLJ radio in New York City. And I was on there a lot. I did, I radio was my first love. I love radio because it was nobody had to know what I looked like. Anonymity in a way. Complete anonymity. Right. They could hear my voice.

I could do my readings live. Nobody could accuse me being edited. Like, it was just live radio. So he heard me a number of times and was like, no, I'm not okay with this. Like, I'm going to take him down. What does it feel like when somebody's, when people are lambasting you and people are sort of trying to discredit you and say you don't like at first, when you first, how you evolve like as a human being in the beginning, did it affect you more and now you kind of let it go? How is that? How is that? I mean, because. I mean, you are sitting with the biggest douche of the universe. I have an entire episode of South Park dedicated to me. So there's got to be a little bit of a thick skin you get over the years when you're doing this. And I think. I think honestly, because I came from that place of attacking the subject matter, I can understand it. I can understand why people feel the way they feel. I can understand what's

triggering for them, whether it be on a religious component, on a scientific component, on a grief component, whatever the component is, I get it. I totally get it. So I don't, I don't take personal offense to it. I get it. So I kind of respect that. The problem I have is that when people are overly cynical and they attack me personally as if they know me and they're attacking my motivations, that I have a problem with because you don't know me and you don't know what's motivating me. So when somebody attacks you on a personal level, that's different. When they're trying to define you. Yeah. Dr. Phil, when you were done with that interview, which I was there a few times. Well, the one I saw is the one where his wife came in.

I don't know. I did that. His wife came in on one. We're at a table. Yeah. you're at a table and um he just seemed a little emotional like his friend had died that they went to golf together oh yeah he was a that was a show i used to do i used to do that person that passed his name was kitt kratik and i used to do that his name was d or something or it was a d i forgot what it was well i know i knew him as kratik he was the kratik morning show out of texas that was syndicated and it was very very successful show and phil looked a little bit like he was kind of emotional getting emotional it depends upon which phil you got like there were certain days that I was there.

Was he harder on you at times? There were certain days where he was more amenable and certain days where he seemed a little bit dismissive. One of my last shows there was a weird experience for me. Not great. I wouldn't put it in my top ten. I mean, it came out fine, but like from an experience standpoint, I kind of like...

He's being tough on you. Or he was hungry. I don't know what the deal was. Like, he was just normally the producers I'd ask me that day, like, hey, we have the story A block of the show. whatever they call it. We may want to keep them after. And would you, like, talk to them after the show?

Sure, not a problem. You know, nobody happens all the time. Whether it's a producer or a person, there's always going to be some type of conversation in question. And I was never, ever sequestered there. Like, I had never been sequestered. And that day, that show was very different. They had sequestered me off the set.

I wasn't in the green room. That felt weird. And then when I got out to the set, everything was like late. Dr. Phil said, do you know anything about our first guests? And I went, no. He goes, you didn't hear anything about the first part? And I went, no.

He's like, okay, there they are. And he pointed to them in the front row. And he goes, read for them. And that is not how I work. Like, like, you have to feel an energy and go to that. I have to, like, let the process happen. Yeah. Plus, my brain is making me think like, these people,

I don't know how the show is going to be edited. And now these people are already pre-miked sitting in the audience. And from doing crossing over, I was very, very, very much protective of making sure the authenticity of the show was just that. So for me, that's a big red flag. What'd you say? Well, I looked at them and I said, I don't know if I could read for them. And I made a joke. I said, if I can't read for them, are you going to be mad? And he went, yes. And I said, well, I'm kind of like a two-year-old that you're trying to potty train. You want him to hit

the bowl. I go, but he may hit the floor or the wall. I was like, and I'm in front of an audience full of people. Whoever's going to be the loudest for me is who I'm going to go to. And of course, I wound up reading somebody in the back right. I wanted to bring somebody on the left-hand side. And I made a joke and I was like, well, you're going to be mad. And that was the last time I was on the show. Really? Oh, my God. But it's amazing because you do it a few times and like you could see how it affected him. And then there's one time where he just put you, it's like you're putting someone in the spot. You know, you're like, you're telling some guy who's funny to go on stage and do stand-up, you know, it's like, well, you know, I, I don't know,

it just seems, yeah, that seemed a little weird. Yeah, and I don't like reading for hosts of shows and I don't like reading for journalists and I feel like, and the reason why is I like them to be objective with what they're doing. And I think the moment somebody gets read, they become subjective to what did or did not come through. Do you wake up sometimes when you, when you go get coffee at Starbucks or something, do you feel certain energies? Nope. No? No. Nope. When I am not doing this, I am powered down and off. Really? Yep. Power down and off.

There's no, you can't talk to your mother or father or hear them or see them or... I keep myself powered down. Could you? Yeah. If you wanted to have a, you know, kind of know what's going on with your mom or your dad, you could channeling that? I could be open to them coming through, but I can't make them come through. Have you ever been open to them coming through? I'm always open to them if they want to come through.

Really? But they haven't. They have. They have. It's just different when you're doing it for somebody else. When you're doing it for somebody else, you have complete objectivity. When you're doing it for yourself, you have to now go, okay, am I thinking that? Am I feeling that? Am I getting that? Am I wishing that? So it makes me a client. And these energies, when you kind of feel people's energy and you're talking to an audience and you're, okay, I'm zoned to this area right here. And somebody, you know, named so-and-so. And they lost someone recently and they had a heart attack. Is that, where are these people that you're taught hearing from or speaking to? Are they in limbo? Are they? So I can only tell you what my perspective is.

My perspective is that when we leave the physical body, that there's a survival of consciousness. And it's like our soul vibrates at a higher level upon death. And we leave the physical world. And we go to a different dimensional frequency or plane. I believe that. So that's kind of how I look at it. You can call that dimension, the afterlife, the other side of the spirit. world, the hereafter, whatever. I've never had somebody come through saying they're in heaven.

I've never had somebody come through saying they're in hell. I've never had somebody say they're stuck in purgatory, bardo or limbo. Like all of those seems to be theological terms that kind of create a concept or a construct for people to operate within. So I've never had anybody say that. And when they come through, it feels as if they're lowering their vibration to me. That's what it feels like. So we here would live. lift our vibration. They lower their vibration, but they're still a disconnect because they're vibrating in a much high rate of speed. So just to give the analogy, if you see a helicopter on the ground, you can count the blades. If you see a helicopter in the air, those blades are

rotating so quickly you can't see them. Right. But we know they're logically there because it's what's keeping the helicopter up the year. Right. So to me, it's like that level of frequency. You can't see them, but you can feel them because if you stand underneath that helicopter, you're going to feel the wush. You're going to feel the, you're going to hear it. You're going to you're going to sense something of it that's maybe logical because you know it's a helicopter to now take away the helicopter itself and understand that that frequency is something you can still react, relate, and connect with. Is it draining what you do? It can be. It can be draining. And it can be the opposite. It could be overwhelmingly energetic. Euphoric? Highly energetic where sleep is not

always easy. Right. Have you ever had a reading that changed your life in a lot of ways? Like I'm or many like where a lot if you ever gotten emotional I try not to get emotional so I've been told because of my astrology chart my have a moon that's in Aquarius and your moon represents your emotions and it's in the sign of Aquarius so it gives me the ability to detach while reading so I have a surgical approach when I'm reading I think my background in healthcare helps you know helps because I worked in a clinical setting so I kind of can do that and disconnect it's when it's when I get pulled into it on a personal level. If I identify with my kids and something,

if there's a family. And that's happened. Yeah. And that's hard for you. That's very hard. But it's rare for you. Very. Is there ever a TV experience where you got emotional?

Yeah. I was doing a second TV show called Cross Country. Yeah. And I was reading for a Wii TV? I was on Wii. Yeah. Yeah. I was reading for a gentleman who lost his son.

And he really wasn't getting it. So I looked at the woman next to him was like, is this your wife? and he goes, no, she gave up her ticket to be here. And we said, can we call her? So they patched her through the studio PA system. And she basically validated all the information that her husband at the time

couldn't validate regarding the son. And she just, she was so measured. You know, she was a mom who lost a child and she was so, so measured. And I remember thinking, how did you get here? So I asked her. I'm like, how did you, as a mom, get here. And she said, oh, I don't, I don't know. And I heard in my head ask her again. So I asked

her again. And she said, I guess it's my philosophy. I look at life as always blessings, never losses. I couldn't speak. I had to look down because I was getting emotional. And then I didn't trust the TV people that, you know, that they'd have me on like, you know, promos for the show. What made John Edward cry? Like that type of moment. I was like, not happening. Do your kids see you cry? They have. They have?

They've seen me emotional. Yeah. I've only seen my dad cry once, and it was horrible to watch. I didn't watch it, actually. I listened to it on the phone. Inside you is brought to you by Rocket Money. If you want to save money, then listen to me because I use this. Ryan uses as so many people use Rocket Money.

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talkerman not talkterman yes talk termin i always forget that because i'm looking at it there's no way it's talkderman yeah if you drop the h and read it exactly as that it's like talk turman damn it jim i'm just a talk doctor man doctor man um how are you you good i'm doing really really good yeah why are you doing good why are you doing well what is it is it mental health is it your your energy you seem like you're in a good place just by i could see you're glowing a little Oh, thank you. It's been a lot. I've been through a lot in the past few years. And 2024 and 2025 have been really, really good years for me in terms of taking care of myself mentally, physically, emotionally. It's been quite a journey for me. What got you there? First of all, where do you live?

I live outside of Portland, Maine. Portland, Maine. And what do you do? I am a senior content developer for an online retail furniture company. Okay, that sounds like a little stressful. It can be. So it is, but I've been there almost a decade. And yeah, it's good. You know, I think, you know, you're talking about how well you're doing in the last two years.

And is it something that just was festering, something that was just getting worse as the years went on? and finally you hit a threshold, like, I got to do something about this kind of thing? Yeah, so in 2023, I was initially diagnosed with a neurological condition that doctors believed at the time was affecting the optic nerves in both of my eyes, and I was losing my eyesight really fast. I lost the inability to drive. I had to rely on a lot of people. I could not take care of myself, and it was pretty much my rock ball.

bottom. I was incredibly scared that I was going to go blind, that I was going to have to move back home. I mean, there's so many questions that happen when you start losing your eyesight, especially when you're an independent person. You don't want to lose that. Yeah. So how inside of you kind of became part of my life. It was an accident. I completely stumbled across it. Binge watching shows for fear I was going to go blind. And I was watching Castle and Star Trek part. And I found your interviews with Nathan Phyllian and Jonathan Frakes. And Jonathan Frakes lived in my hometown when I was in middle and high school. So community you knew them.

So I was like, oh, this piques my interest. So I started to listen. And right away, I was like, oh, this is a really good pot. I'm going to just keep listening. And it was your interview, though, with Jamie Lynn Siegler that changed everything for me. And I remember the day, it was June 15th, 2020. I was so sick. I was on medication that was making me sicker. I had moments where I was like, I don't think I really want to be here anymore. This is awful. Quality of life is zip.

And listening to Jamie Lynn Siegler's first interview and listening to her struggles, I remember putting my head down on my desk. And I just started to cry. I was like, I feel vindicated for once. I'm not alone. I went through all the stuff that she went through all the horrible testing. I too was tested for MS. I didn't have it. Thank goodness. But it was right then and there that my brain rewired itself. And I'm not even kidding that something needed to change. I needed to take care of myself and thus be in this journey of just self-discovery, taking care of myself holistically finding alternatives and just continuing to seek medical help where now I went to some of the best doctors in Boston. They determined that they didn't think I had that

neurological condition at all to begin with. What? And so I've just been doing so much stuff to take care of myself. My eyesight's not as good as it was prior to getting sick, but I can drive, I can travel. I mean, I can do all those things. You're living a better life now. I am living my best life and it's just been it's just been it's been crazy but so rewarding and but it's still a journey I have a long long way to go yeah what would you say to people out there who are you know dealing with you know neurological problems or physical problems or is there some piece of advice that you would give them that you've learned that helped you I would say never ever ever be afraid to ask questions and to see

seek a second, third, fourth, fifth opinion, if you are able to. Yeah. I saw 15 doctors, and it was every single one of them said, we know that there's something wrong. We can see it. Our expertise just, we don't know how to handle it. So here's someone else that might know. And being passed around like a hot potato after a while, it just kills you.

With my neck, it seems like, you know, I've had so many, I've had surgeries and I've had injections and I've had seen every doctor. There's a movie Arthur with Dudley Moore and his old friend, I forget his name John, not John Housman, but John Gilgood. He's dying or whatever and he says, well, have you seen doctors? And he says, yes, and they have seen me. And that's sort of how I felt where I was like, man, just like how many doctors can I see, how many, you know, you feel kind of like helpless after a while. Very much so. You feel like, am I crazy?

You got to keep doing it. But you got to keep going because you're like, you know, something's causing this. Something's doing this. I got to, I'll meet the right person who just gets it, who did that research, who does, there's always light at the end of the tunnel and you got to keep searching for it. Because this is like, you know, I always say this is life. this is this is what we get as far as we know so we have to go around every corner we have to figure it out try to do what we can to help ourselves ourselves to help other people and i'm just

glad that you're in a better place that makes me really happy and it makes me really happy that somehow this show helped you because yeah i didn't think i never thought like that i just thought um i'm asking questions because i really want to know them And I want to know what makes people tick. I want to know what they do for their mental health. I want to know what they do for their. And I would take notes. You know, it's like mentally taking notes about what works for these people.

So, but then I realized, wow, this is helping a lot of other people, too. Because I think we all have our, you know, insecurities and our hopeless sort of feelings. And we just have to know, normalize mental health and normalize. you know, we're all human. So I just, I'm just happy that it helped you in some way. Absolutely. I, I don't think you realize how, how much good you're doing with this podcast, Michael. I mean, it has helped me so much. I've recommended it to other people. I've met so many people through Patreon that I'm incredibly close to that, you know, we all support one another. We're all kind of cut from the same cloth. Like, you have created such an amazing community of people. And you're helping so many people. I mean, I really feel that you're saving lives. Yeah.

Well, you know, I would say in response to that, I think that you guys are saving me in a lot of ways. It really are. You know, it means a lot to me to see that people really support the show and believe in it. And when I didn't believe in myself for a lot of the time, I mean, in the beginning, it was, I was like, well, we should just call. I don't think people are listening, and I just kept going. For some reason, I just kept going. And then when I started to talk about real stuff and, you know, getting into my life and who I am and what makes me tick and my issues and that it was meaningful, I felt like,

you know, this podcast gives me purpose in a lot of ways, whether I like it or not, you know. Absolutely. I mean, you're one of the most open, honest people I've ever listened to. Like, celebrities really do keep a lot. close and you have just been so open and just so candid and i think that's why so much so many people really do genuinely care about you michael is because you come across as just a normal human being and that's so refreshing i'm a fraud jen i'm a fraud no i mean look i have my flaws i'm absolutely nowhere near perfect and i try to do the right things i i'm telling you i have a lot

of things that bother me about myself and i'm like i got to get better i got to do better i got to be I got to listen more. I got to do this. But I think that's being human. So I'm trying not to be too hard on myself, but I, you know, I'm nowhere near perfect. But it's nice to hear that. And it's nice to talk to you today. What a treat.

Yeah, it's always wonderful to talk to you, Michael. And like I said, I love inside of you. It's just so great. I see the hat in the back and I see the Superman shirt. Yes. I love it. Well, listen, you're amazing. I've told you that before.

but keep on, you know, working on yourself. And just remember when, you know, you get down, it's like, you know it's going to come around again. The good is right around the corner. It's like, you know, you're having a bad day. You're like, okay, it's a bad day. There's tomorrow. Absolutely. Take it one day at a time.

I feel like shit. I'm tired. Okay. Nap. Feel like shit today. It's okay. Tomorrow you won't. Absolutely.

That's how I try to think. But hey, look, thanks for being here. for supporting the show. This was a treat. Thank you so much, Michael. Inside of you is giving me the tools necessary to be able to thrive and to continue really having a purpose.

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I kind of felt like it's hard knowing that the job that you're about ready to do is never going to be enough, no matter how good you are doing it. That is a hard thing to kind of like know. Yeah. Because nobody wants to be sitting with you. So, you know, when people like,

I just love what you do, like, I want to do what you do. And I always tell you people like, be very, very careful because once you walk through that door, it's like it's a change of everything energetically around you you're you're living your life in a very different different perspective most people don't get the reality of that because they see it as books tv they see radio they see celebrity they see what the reflection of what they want in their own lives in the reality of this but the reality of this work is sitting

in front of someone who's broken, sitting somebody who's been devastated, sitting in front of somebody who doesn't have the lights on inside and trying to help them recognize that there's something else and how they can move through that, navigate it, and still be connected, that there's a survival of consciousness, that life and love are eternal. Oh, but we're still here in the classroom of life and we have to kind of still, you know, get up every day. Yeah. And for a parent who's lost a child or a spouse who's been with someone for a lot years you know just yesterday i came across something that i haven't thought about in forever and for the folks that remember the show all in the family of course when they did archie bunker's place yeah

carol o'cona carol o'connor my new york just slept down carol o'conna kana yeah carol o'connor um who played archie he basically uh they they wrote an episode where edith passes yes he's in the bar and he goes home and they give away her stuff and he finds one slipper under the bed and he starts yeah he does this amazing speech yes monologue yeah and it was so real that's the reality of the work is getting somebody to recognize that the energy of that person is still with them even though they're physically not here yeah your goal is not to sort of um bring out the horror in it all it's more about to bring out the love and bring out like the peace and the moving on and to get people to recognize here in the physical world our time is fleeting like communicate with the people

while they're here appreciate them for who they are validate them while they're here because sometimes we don't get a second chance and life happens really really fast yeah and it does grief is really really patient it waits a really long time for us yeah so we have to find the balance and grief is the other side of love. And that's what I try to convey to people through readings. Like, you know, not a DJ. I'm not somebody's, I'm not an operator. I can't place calls.

But I do want people to recognize the process. Yeah. Do you ever, have you ever dealt with like any depression or anxiety in your life or had to see a therapist or, you know, like a lot of things? You know, we talk about mental health on this podcast a lot. And the people, you know, who go to therapy, I try to, you know, tell people, try to normalize it, try to, you know, it's helped me a lot. and dealing with my life. But is it something you've ever had to do or deal with?

I haven't gone to a therapist like on a regular basis. I've spoken to many, many therapists. And I feel like in that vein, I've been therapists, if that's even a word. Therapise, sure. But I am an advocate for people that are navigating the grief space to work with grief specialists, to work with grief therapists. I do not feel that if you lose a relative, you should run to a medium. I am an advocate for giving people that sacred space to heal. Because if you lost your person, right, if your person is now gone and you go running to a medium and you don't hear from that person, that can actually exacerbate your grief. So I would rather you run to a therapist, somebody who's open to the understanding that there's a survival of consciousness.

I would rather you read books on the subject matter. Make sure you learn a about how energy actually can come through. And then prepare yourself for what could be your own experience. Oh, and by the way, a reading with a valid medium, somebody who's ethical and gives information, not a performance, could be helpful. Yeah. But not the, not the tool to go for.

What about dreams? Dreams are the number one way that your loved ones and friends will come through. Easy, easy for them to do that for you. But not every dream of someone who's passed is them coming through to you. Sometimes it's your grief voice that bubbles up into your unconscious mind

while you're sleeping, and you'll have those arguments or they'll be disappointed or they'll be sick, they'll be mad. None of that is a vivid, none of that is a visit. Right. You know, the visit is when they're vibrant and young and happy and healthy and they're coming through with an energy to let you know like, I'm still here, I'm still connected.

What about like nightmares? I have a lot of nightmares and I can't sort of grasp why I'm dreaming that, why I'm thinking. Sometimes it has to do with maybe something I'm watching before I go to bed. Do you think that every time you have a nightmare, oh, that must mean something's going off in your life that you're, it's a warning sign and all these things. You don't believe that. I don't over interpret stuff. I'm the, I need a lot of, this is where my OCD comes in. I need a lot of validation when I'm seeing something. So when my mom passed,

I was told that energy was, I was told that she was done learning the lessons that she came in to learn this lifetime. And her passing was going to be the catalyst for me to become the person I need to become. And I was like, yeah, that's great. I'd rather have a year. Fifteen minutes after that, a woman that I studied with called me, gave me the same message verbatim. And 15 minutes after that, Lydia called me and gave me the same message verbatim.

And they were all in different states. And I said to Lydia, I go, why do you, why do you think I had to hear this three times and not, not once? And she started to laugh and she's like, do you know you? Like, I need things backed up. And even when I'm reading for something, when I'm reading for strangers, like I will give information and then I want to back up the information that I just gave to make sure that I'm interpreting it correctly, specifically from front of a group of people. Wow. When you come in here and you meet me for the first time, and we've been talking, I've been a fan of yours and your son's a fan. I'm a fan as well. You're fine. I love that. I think that's awesome. Um, but when you walk in,

do you kind of sense an energy about me? Or is there something like, uh, you could tell me about myself? I, I will tell you that I sense it from the correspondence that we had. I say no to most things when people invite me on. Really? I do. I really honestly do. Oh, good. I mean, you know, like I'll, and I'll tell you the reason why. I kind of feel like I used to love to do a lot of radio. But radio happened and was done. Podcast is like radio. but it happens and it exists sure and I kind of feel like most people will ask me the same questions over and over again so I'm basically doing Groundhog's Day yeah over and over again and um just for listeners purposes like I don't want them to be like oh my god I know that story

I've heard him say this 15,000 times before right but when you reached out and asked it felt different and it and it wasn't because I'm a fan of yours or a fan of Superman or a fan of small all that kind of stuff. It felt different. And I went, oh, I'm going to say yes to this. And then I actually surprised myself that I was going to say yes to this. And my wife said, she goes, you're going to do it? And I'm going to do it. And I love that. It just felt different. You felt different. And then the fact the way you corresponded with me was like you knew me. It didn't feel like you wanted me here because you wanted a reading. You felt like you wanted me here because you wanted to talk about the subject matter.

Yeah. That, to me, is appealing. So I can usually tell when somebody is like, you know, I want to have you on the show because I want you to read my wife. Because they'll get the audience and they'll be like, oh, look at this. I'm even okay for that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, if that, that, that, that I'm down for it. But I could, I could usually sense that. But you were just like, people need to know watching you or listening to this. Like, you're as normal and natural as you. Well, there's no, there's no, like, there's nothing put on here. I agree. But there's also with. me, I don't know why I'm always in my head. I'm always in my head. I've always got, you know, my overthinker. I'm, you know, I torment myself. Is it an empath? Empath? Well, you don't want to be an empath. This is one of the things I tell people we don't want to do. Right. It's good to be empathetic because we need a lot of that in the world. Right. Say you're sensitive. Say you're intuitive, but don't say you're an empath. Because to be an empath, what that basically embraces is that you're feeling other people's feelings and that can get in the way of your own. So imagine me doing what I do.

and I'm reading for somebody. And now I'm feeling their feelings. That means I've lost my objectivity to be able to do my job. So we don't want to, specifically people that are out there listening who may be in toxic relationships. If somebody's in a toxic relationship,

when they're in that relationship, they're going to sense that person's narcissism and that control and that's going to keep them in that because they're going to second guess what they're feeling like, this is not a good spot for me to be in. Yeah. Right.

So now when they're away from that person, they feel different. But when they're with that person, they feel different. So we don't want to embrace being an empath. So I talk to people about protecting your energy, right? So when people say, like, how do you protect your energy? Well, psychic self-defense is when I say, I'm not walking around everywhere open and reading people, I'm protecting my energy.

Because I don't want to pick up on other people's stuff. That makes perfect sense. So if you're sensitive, you are going to pick up on people's energy, thoughts, and feelings as well. So you want to make sure you create a healthy boundary with doing that. And look, you may not, but is there anything you pick up on me that you kind of sense about me that I should think more about? Is there anything about me that you? Well, as I'm sitting here, I'll let you know. Like, as I'm, if I feel that.

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This is called shit talking with John Edward. This is, these are my patrons, my top tier patrons. Okay. And go to patreon.com slash inside if you want to ask a question. So you can answer these rapid fire. You can answer these if you want to take a moment. Don Jesus, is there any way for you to switch your gifts, abilities on and off? Or do you pick up everything?

No, I, yeah. I actually take the word gift out of the equation, Don. And I usually say it's the word ability. So I kind of feel like I have an ability. I use that ability. When used, it creates the gift. The gift is the connection. And yeah, there's an on and off switch for me by choice.

Thank God. You'd be in trouble if not. So many years ago, I used to manage a videosaur. And I used to attack read the people that used to come up to the counter. I would ambush them when they would bring up their boxes. And for the people that are young that are like, what's a video store? It's Netflix in a building.

It's like Blockbuster. Yeah. What would you say to them? Anything. I legitimately was inappropriate and highly unethical. It was more than Be a kind rewind. Way more than Be Kind rewind. It was like, hey, you have a dead aunt who's telling me you're pregnant.

Yeah. That's awesome. Brett G. Can anyone be a medium psychic or are you only born with it? I love his question. So when I was at the University of Arizona, I was there. with another medium. Her name is Suzanne Northrop, and she was sitting opposite me, and we're both New Yorkers. And she's probably got about 10, 15 years on me, ability-wise, experience-wise. And she was

somebody I highly respect growing up. So here we are being tested together. The scientific moderator walks into the room and asks that same question. So I said, yes, everybody could develop their abilities to be able to recognize energy. And she said, no. And now the two of us, are like about to have a psych off in front of like, you know, the university people. And she said, mediums are born. They're not created. And I'm like, but you teach workshops on development. Like, how could you say that? So it took me until doing crossing over the TV show to really understand where she was coming from. And that's why I tell people, when we expose ourselves to new information and stimulus and understanding and knowledge, you can make a different

decision. You can see things differently. I believe everybody can develop their intuition. I believe everybody can develop their psychic abilities. And I think that they should on some level. Not to do it for other people, but for themselves. With that, you will have the ability to be able to recognize energy from people who have crossed over as well. Not to do it for other people, but for yourself. She meant, and I agree with her, people who are destined to do this work for the right reasons to do this work, the work picks you. You don't pick it wow you know I had a pretty amazing um a lot of times people thought I was maybe a psychic or you know I had some gift or whatever I know you don't like the word great but um you know my

grandmother I knew like she was there was no reason she died unexpectedly um I mean she had emphysema but she was you know she was fine she was I went to visit her and I made this I wanted to interview her and I just made this video and I interviewed her and asked her about her happiness and this all and i mean everything like i felt like part of me felt like i was going to lose her right and a week later um she called me or i called her i was in my car on my way to an audition she goes how you doing kid and i had this horrible dream that she passed away and i go i was kind of emotional like i don't know i had this dream and she goes you dreamed i died oh and i said yeah

And she goes, well, you know what that means, don't you? It means I'm going to live forever. And she goes, where are you going? I go, I'm going to an audition. She goes, you know what? You're going to get this one. And she never said that. She was always someone who was just like, you know, this business, I don't know.

And she died a few days later. And my agent called, left a message while I was, just got back from the funeral. And I, you know, I listened to my message and said, you got the role of Smallville. you got to roll of Lex Luthor and that was the audition that I was going to and then she came to me in a dream a week later and she wanted her commission she wanted the 10% and I swear to God gun to my head I was in this beautiful library with those tall ladders and people it's beautiful and she showed me she goes isn't this just beautiful and then she took me into this room and there's this little spiral staircase and I'm sure people have heard this before and as I was starting to follow

her up she goes Mikey you can't come up here I swear to God like it was yesterday and she go and she said I'm fine everything's good like in her own way without saying like don't worry I'm going to be fine she was telling me she was going to be fine and I woke up crying and I and it felt you had a visit I had a visit. So earlier when we were talking about that, a million percent, if you give me a lie detector right now, this is, that's the dream. What age was she? She was 74. No, how did she perceive her? How did you perceive her in the dream? I didn't. I didn't perceive her as an older woman. Right. I just, it was just. What about the colors? How were the colors? You know, it's funny as I'm colorblind, but I remember it was just, everything was beautiful and I could see color. And it was just. It was incredibly warm, like not physically warm, but the lighting. Everything was just comfortable. I just felt really comfortable. I felt like I didn't want to leave.

Right. You know what I mean? How beautiful that you had that experience. Oh, it was beautiful. And how beautiful that you trusted your own intuition to be able to go have that conversation, to interview her. Now you always have that. I have it.

I just went to Indiana with my, uh, I visited my mother and my sister. And I brought it and I showed it. And we just watched the video again. We watch it like every year. And it's, you know, it's really just beautiful. It captures. That's a gift.

That's the gift, right? Because it's the connection that you have. And I knew I needed to do that. You know, I did the same thing with my grandparents. My other, my grandparents who passed, you know, I, there was a time that came that I just go, there's no nobody was telling me that they were going to die i was going to have it but i interviewed them and just these long conversations like an hour and a half of their life and it wasn't soon after they they passed away it's almost like i i knew and there was no rhyme or reason it wasn't like you know

you know when my grandmother passed she just passed in december and she fell and she was doing fine she fell she talked to me the next day and she says i know i'm doing all right i'm doing all right and then a day and a half later my uncle calls me and goes hey she's in hospice she's not going to make wait what she just she just called me i just talked to her everything was fine her voice sounded so she was absolutely coherent and she told me she was fine and she was doing better and she talked to me later and then she was gone like that it was it was crazy and maybe that's i i don't know i don't know i how you explain it i mean it's just uh love yeah maybe that maybe yeah maybe it's love love is a vibration yeah i believe that i like to believe that um all right let's get into monica

monica t when we when he first started having experiences with spirit did he or his family think it was mental health related or was it automatically you've got a gift um no with my my my mom's family they were like you know this is great you know johnny's reading cards that type of thing like because i was to like doing card readings i was doing psychometry i was doing that for about two years about a year and a half and then the mediumship started to kick in so like i would read for somebody and start getting names of people and then all of a sudden the names that i were that i was getting they were they were all dead and the people would be like yeah that that yeah those are my family remember she's like but they're all like they're all gone and I didn't know what that meant so I'd be

like well they're just giving that to me as a validation of the other information so that you trust what I'm saying now about what's coming up for you and then I was at a psychic fair and there was a woman sitting to my left and I was doing the reading and all of a sudden she leaned over and she goes that's her grandmother just keep going with it you're talking to her dead grandmother and I was like okay one that was like really rude like on the middle of a reading and she just like interrupted me but uh that was the beginning of it where that was like, it's actually happened once before. It was a person's father.

And then the grandmother came in and was like talking about cheese and this woman like leans over and starts in the middle of my reading giving information and said, go ahead, pick it up and you take it from there. Like she handed me the phone. And the woman's looking at me and I was like, I don't even know like what this is. Like I'm just gonna flip this card over

and that's how it started. It was like legitimately paying attention to what I was getting from a different part of the room is what it felt like and it was all coming at you yeah wow uh little lisa what's your greatest fear my greatest fear i think i my greatest fear it's not easy no it's it's not because i go initially to a phobia and i have a phobia of fish so i don't like fish you don't like eating them no i'm fine with i have no i don't need fish but i don't like looking at them like i don't i get like Really?

Oh, my God, skeved out like you... Fish! Where does that come from? Probably a past life, I don't know. Maybe. Just in a rational phobia of fear. So when you say fear, that to me is like, you know, the first thing. But I think what my greatest fear would be, that's a really good question.

I... Are you afraid of dying? Mm-mm. Not at all. I guess you can't be. No. With what you do. It's like you've seen enough or felt.

It's like stepping in the next room. I mean, how we get there, I'm not thrilled about it. Yeah, as long as it's peaceful. See, I'm not afraid of dying as long as I don't suffer. But then again, if you suffer... They've got drugs for that now. Yeah, that's true. That's what hospice is for.

Melissa, M., I have seen you live twice. You're interesting to watch. What is one weird experience that you had during a live performance? The weirdest. There's a lot of weird. There's a lot of weird experiences. What about on live television? On live television?

Larry King Live was always an interesting show to go on because Larry, have you met Larry? John, tell me why people should believe what you do. Larry had like no energy before the show. Like he was kind of like everywhere but where you were and then like the camera light went on. And he just was like, like he like energetically grabbed you by the face and said, now you look at me.

It was a very, very interesting experience with him. But I remember one of the, one of the appearances I had on there, there was a woman who buried her husband with a pack of cigarettes. And the husband said it was the wrong brand. And she said, it was all I had. So that was like, that was a weird moment for me. But the reading right after that was a girl whose dad came through talking about being at her wedding.

And everybody remembered the cigarette pack reading, not the second one. And I always, I always see that as the. moment of the second one was way more important than the cigarette pack. So the impressive part of like the wow of that stayed in people's minds. But the message of the one after that to me was the one I think people should have had more of a take home. Isn't that something? They remember that because like, how would he know that? And then she was like, it's all I can find. I just put it, but you know what I liked, you know? It's amazing what people kind of hold on to. Chasing evil comes out in September. Yep. How excited are you about

this and why are you so excited? I'm excited about it because it's been 25 years of of of doing this and surreptitiously doing it. My rule was keep keep my name off your stuff like I don't want to be you know I don't want to be out there and I don't want any of that out there and he was like that's not a problem I don't want to get fired so we're good you know like but then he retired from that and there's this overarching case that is kind of like a big deal for the book and the story and our connection. And I kind of feel like for him, it's a cathartic thing to get this out. And so I was like, yeah, we can do this. And it's a little bit of a scary territory because I'm not that guy. Like, I'm not your, I'm not the crime solver. Like, I don't have an interest

in being in the crime solver. Like, don't call me a fluffy the cat's missing. Like, I'm not, I'm not working with people doing this. It's not, it's not my passion. It seemed to be a lesson for me working with Bob. So I say, like, the only three-letter organization I worked with was the B-O-B. He just happened to work for the FBI, right? That's my thing. So indirectly, I think the reality is I wound up working with my dad or working through stuff with my dad. Isn't that something that comes full circle? Yeah, but it wasn't the intention. Intention, right. It wasn't probably until we started looking at this book. You probably had to peel off layers to realize that. Yeah. I think I did. And I had to be a dad. I had to, you know, raised two kids. I had to

get a different perspective. Yeah. I had to have some life happen that I could kind of bounce stuff out. What are some questions he would ask you? Or like, what do you, this case, what are you feeling? What are you? Oh, there wouldn't be questions. It'd be like, okay, so there's a body. Tell me what you get. It'd be like a voice on the phone that would show up in, you know, unique parts of the world sometimes. And would it be something like, was he ever gone, holy shit? I didn't think of that. You know, if he did, holy shit, I didn't think about that. There would be moments of it where he camouflaged it really, really well. Very, very, very intimidating. But he liked you. Yes. He was intimidating, but he obviously believed in you. He came to recognize the validity of the

process. You know, I remember one time he had called me about something. And he goes like, nothing that you're telling me is useful. Like, there's nothing here. And then he went, wait a minute. You just gave me information on the case I didn't ask you about. And I went, I don't know. So that happened once. Wow.

But, you know, he kept all these notes of all these years. So we're basically going from his case notes of that's what the book is about. So we have his journey professionally and personally. We have my journey professionally and personally. And so there's multiple stories that are in here and stuff that people are going to be surprised that I was involved with indirectly. What's next for you? You got the book coming out? Are you constantly doing other TV experience? TV perform TV. I haven't really done a lot. Appearances. Appearances. I haven't. Long weekend, man. I haven't really done a lot of television. I think TV's in a unique spot. I don't know, you know, if I'm invited on something.

I just go by feeling like if it feels like it's something that's like kind of cool to do, you know, if there's a Kelly Clarkson moment or a Drew Barrowman, those are very nice shows to be a part of. They're great hosts. Yeah. And they're warm. Yeah, they're warm. They're not too like they're not looking to debunk as they are embracing it and seeing what it could do for people. Or allowing the subject matter to breathe, like allowing it to be, you know, what it is. Some places. Just want to come at it from an angle of attack and I just I don't know I've been doing this so long like I didn't even hear that anymore. I'm just like okay It's like I'm you that's how you feel okay I'm too my my mother was so excited when I said you were coming on the show my mother was like what ask him about me of course but uh you know she's uh she's going through a lot too right now and um but she was excited for sure this has been great i love this thank you i definitely selfishly it was like hoping you could pick me apart but that's not really what

you do you don't pick people apart you know i'm sure not on camera i don't i try not to yeah i'm sure you can already sense things about me that i'm just going oh my god like ryan he's he's fine but uh now this has been terrific i really appreciate you coming over thank you for Here in Encino, we've got to go get lunch or something. I want to meet the family. Absolutely. That would be awesome. Thanks for being here.

Thank you. Oh, hi, buddy. Who's the best? You are. I wish I could spend all day with you instead. Uh, Dave, you're off mute. Hey, happens to the best of us. Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers.

Goldfish have short memories. Be like goldfish. Thanks, John, for being here. I appreciate it. That was a real treat. My mom was really excited about this one. And I hope the fans are, too. It was unique, Ryan.

It's good to get a swath of people. A swath? A plethora. A plethora. A varietal? Have you been going to therapy, by the way? I have been going to therapy. Good.

Yeah. I missed therapy the other day. Actually, today I was supposed to go to therapy, but I knew I had this morning so I had to cancel it and I need to talk to my therapist I actually need to sit there and talk to someone

because it helps me it's crazy what happens when you just have an open space to unload for 45 minutes or an hour or an hour or whatever 50 yeah and I think the stigmatism is really going away

which is great because people I always say it I mean you know you work on your body to get in good shape Why don't you work out your mind by getting it in shape? Going to the mind gym. The mind gym.

The mind gym. Oh, mind gym. The mind gym. I should start a podcast called the mind gym. All right, today we're going to work out our frontal lobes. Yes. Your hypothelmus today is the topic of conversation. All right.

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