Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - MEG DONNELLY: Anxious Superpowers, Crappy Intrusive Thoughts & Losing Supernatural Fanbase

Episode Date: September 24, 2024

Meg Donnelly (Zombies, American Housewife) joins us this week to share the duality of having a history of severe anxiety while being an entertainer, and how she’s been able to turn that into a superpower over the last few years navigating this industry. Meg talks about pessimistic expectations going into new projects and her feelings after the Winchesters/ losing the Supernatural fanbase. We also talk about the wonderful world of farts, falling in love on set, and being haunted by bad first impressions. Thank you to our sponsors: 🦰 Nutrafol: https://nutrafol.com + "inside" __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When you're with Amex Platinum, you get access to exclusive dining experiences and an annual travel credit. So the best tapas in town might be in a new town altogether. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Terms and conditions apply. Learn more at Amex.ca. this episode is brought to you by Defender with a towing capacity of 3,500 kilograms and a weighting depth of 900 millimeters, the Defender 110 pushes what's possible. Learn more at

land rover.ca. You're listening to Inside of You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum and Ryan Teyes is here, Ryan. Let's talk politics. No, I'm kidding. We're not going to ever do that in this show. We talk about life and mental health and good conversation, good talk. So it's very important. Thanks for supporting this podcast. If you're listening and you're interested in Meg Donnelly and you don't know who the hell I am, which is perfectly understandable. But you like it and you like the interview, please subscribe and start listening to the podcast, if you will. Our handles are at Inside of You podcast on Instagram and Facebook. at InsideEapod on the Twitter, and we really appreciate it. A few things before we get into Meg, if you'll give me the pleasure. Go to my Instagram at the Michael Rosenbaum and my link tree. And there's all stuff there, cameos, if you want a cameo, you can see when my band's playing

Sunspin on September 28th, Saturday at 5 p.m., grab tickets and see the show, there's prizes. We give shoutouts. We see your names on the screen. So support that. Other things inside of your online store. We have Lexmus scripts available now. I just got more and Ship Keys, Smallville Ship Keys, signed by me, and tons of other cool stuff, T-shirts and tumblers and lots of stuff there.

And my book, The Talented Farter, is out on Amazon pre-order. It's awesome, and I hope you'll get it. It's a sound book and a delightful book. Henry Winkler does a cool it on it, but go order The Talented Farter. And Rosie's Puppy Fresh Breath on Amazon for your dog's Fresh Breath. just a capful of puppy fresh breath in your dog's water it's odorless tasteless and I use it every day on my dogs and it's wonderful and yeah that's that's there I've said it I've said it Ryan I've said all I had to say today Meg Donnelly is phenomenal I met her at these creation cons

she did the Winchester's the supernatural prequel and she's done tons of other stuff and we talk about it and what I like about here she's she's younger than me a lot younger but I learned a lot And she's probably more mature than I am, but who isn't? But it was delightful. It was delightful and I wasn't expecting her to be so forthcoming and so outgoing, right? Yeah. I think when she left, I was like, I loved her. She was great.

So I think you're going to love it too. And without further ado, why don't we just do it? Let's get inside of Meg Donnelly. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Long time coming here. Yeah.

I mean, we've talked about you coming on the pod for a while. And I see you at conventions. Do you still go to the creation conventions? Not in a while. Yeah. Not since the Winchester's got canceled. Yeah, pretty much. And they're like, all right, out with her.

No, pretty much. Yeah. I don't know if we're if we're going to get invited after the year because, yeah, but if we ever do get invited again, like I would love to go. Yeah, I mean, that has to be like I've had things that got canceled. I mean, I've had a lot of things that have been canceled and or I've, you know, lost jobs and this and that. And you're young.

How old are you? 24. 24. And so to experience it at, you know, it's, I think it only strengthens you. Yeah. For the future. but when you first heard it was canceled so prematurely what's the first thing that was there a sense of dread a sense of what was it yeah it definitely was it also was like a really weird time because

it was like the writer strike like everyone was on strike at the time um the c w is kind of changing over and rebranding their stuff so the chances of you know we're really hopeful and optimistic but we also kind of expected it because of how many changes were happening but it definitely was really unfortunate because just the cast and the crew and just being a part of the supernatural family and being part of the conventions even with everyone at smallville um it was just really unfortunate um because that community is just really incredible so yeah and it's you know especially you're coming off a show and this is the prequel right yeah a show like supernatural which is an anomaly yeah and lasts how many years of that last i think 15 15 seasons yeah that's crazy so you're thinking as most

would when this and wow that show and we're the prequel now yeah wow they have a lot invested we're going to be on for years right i'm buying a house i'm buying both those cars on supernatural that they drove i'm gonna get you know you probably thinking that well we've this has got we got we got to fill it in here yeah is that what you felt like yeah but also because since i've been doing this since i was like eight i feel like on every show or project i've been on you know everybody is always like this is going to be everything like your life's going to change and like almost it's very rare that it does happen so i think i might expect my expectations are kind of they're always optimistic but at the end of the day i also have realism because of how

many moments that i've gone through like that um but it always it always is a let down no matter how much you can prepare yourself it's always a let down when you hear bad news you know yeah did they tell you why you were filming? No. So thank God. Yeah. Because some shows are like, hey, these are the last four episodes. I'm like, fuck you.

I don't want to work. I know. I don't want to work anymore. I know. Now I'm sad. Yeah. Yeah. No, so it is good that it, it was probably like two months after we were filming.

And how many episodes did you do? 13. 13 episodes. Yeah. And you became a close knit family, right? Very much so. I mean, all of you were tight. Yeah.

Who would you say you're close? us with besides Drake because yeah probably Drake actually not Drake surprisingly I'm just kidding um probably I mean the four of us like me Nita and Jojo and Drake like the four of us became really really close um still yes yeah and we were always together like I just saw Nita last week so we're very close and then even people and just like the supernatural family like everybody at the conventions like Loudoun Swain and um jason who's there Jason man yes he's the best yeah I love man loved him um you know just everybody in the supernatural family i feel like we're all very close and tom welling who my my cohort who was also played your father yes he did how was that it was

was he nervous i you know i don't know i think he was i think he got more nervous as it went on because we became a lot closer and i think um we all kind of got nervous around each other especially the last episode everybody from supernatural like jensen was there and a lot of people from supernatural there tom was there on that day yeah so it was kind of nerve-wracking you know jensen's there Jared was there no he wasn't he wasn't yeah yeah it's nerve-wracking your rocking shit how often was jensen on set um on the pilot him and denille were there like every day and then when we were filming he would come in and out um but but he ever give you notes um sometimes there's one time where we I was picking a lock, and I was, I did it terribly.

I actually think it was the wrong side of the pick. And he was like, yeah, no, no, no, like, you got to fix that. That's not how you do it. Yeah. And also he gave me, um, a note on never to like sink into my heels when I'm standing, especially next to Drake. And he learned that standing next to Jared his whole life. Yeah, because Jared's are sky rock.

Exactly. So you have to stand tall so you look taller. Because if you sink into your hip, you're like two inches shorter. Right. And he was like, learn from me. You got to say doll. And I was like, okay. Did you and Drake start dating when you were on the show?

Yes. Like what episode? Like, let me ask you, when you first met him or you're like, hmm. Well, yeah, I mean, when we were on the pilot, I, we didn't, like, we, I had just come out of a relationship. It's really complicated. So we weren't together on the pilot. And then the whole summer, we like talked here and there, but not really, but when we came back for filming in like August, September. October, November, like around that time.

Right. We were trying really hard to not, but we were. It was like, we were like a thing the whole time. And everybody in the cast were, it was very obvious. Everybody knew, even the creators, everybody. Everyone knew. And we were like, no, like, him? Like, no.

It's like, no, we're totally friends. No, we're so friends. It's fine. We're two hot people that are totally friends. Yeah. We're too. Yeah. And then in one of the episodes, we had to like kiss for the first time on screen.

Everyone was like, okay. Like, you guys. guys have kids before so it was obvious i yeah apparently it was really obvious yeah so but hey um i thought we kept it on like on the d o but apparently we didn't but we started dating technically after um we did a road trip from new orleans to l a and after the road trip so much fun and after the road trip was over like hey what are we doing like we're dating so yeah on that road trip did did you say you loved him i think i said i loved him before that really yeah so it was a couple months yeah it was a couple months really did he say it first I kind of knew

who said it first oh you should know it probably was me really yeah are you like a lovey-dovey kind of like you say what you feel yeah I do Drake is more romantic than I am I think though was he shocked when you said it yes yeah did you say it like in the heat of the moment or was it just kind of like if you're having a burden you're like I love you what was that like yeah it was in passing it was No, I'm just kidding. No, it was great. It was like, I mean, we were just kind of living in our dream world bubble in New Orleans, you know? And so it's always kind of scary.

I'm sure you know from experience as well, like being in these bubbles and being in film sets, it's like you don't know what's real or not. I know. Especially when you're pretending to be in love, it's like, wait, hold on. Like, is this real? And then I feel like I always call. Like are we playing the part here? Yeah. And I feel like I always call it the bubble.

I feel like two days in the bubble is like three weeks in real life. So like in two days, you're getting to know people so well because you're around them all the time. All day. And so you become really like you get to know everybody. But in the real world, it wouldn't be like that. So it's definitely a fake world. Anyways. No, I know.

When you get out of the bubble, you're like, hey, let's see. Is this real? Is this real? You know, we feel in this. Is this really what I'm feeling? Is this what I really want? Yeah. And it's scary.

It's scary. It's like, was all that. pretend or was that real it's kind of terrifying yeah did you did you feel immediately comfortable with him like you're like this is a good guy he's never going to cheat on me he's not that he's not that he's not that actory guy he's really not he isn't when i met him i was like god i envy his uh disposition yeah just a really uh drake dodger what's his last name roger roger roger drake roger well no his his instagram isn't it drake dot no it's rick roger it kind of does look like drake Dodger.

Yeah, I thought I read Drake Dodger on his Instagram. That's kind of a cool name. God, Ryan, your beard is huge. I was looking at, I guess I didn't look at you today. He's got a beard going on there. I never see him with a beard like this. That's Ryan, by the way. You met Ryan.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm happy for you. And now he just moved in. Yes. To your house. Yeah. And how is that?

Incredible. Really, you're like, does it feel like it's just a sleepover, fun people? Just like your friends are sleeping over? Do you feel like it's important when you're dating someone for them to become your best friend? I think so. I think especially with Drake, like we were best friends first, and I feel like we still are best friends. And I think that's really important, especially if you can just talk to each other like hours on it and not run out of anything to say. Or also, I think what's even more important is being comfortable in silence, you know? Because sometimes if you're like silent all

the time, like in the car or whatever, and you're kind of like uncomfortable by that, you know, It's cool if you can just chill with somebody in silence and be like, okay, this is fine. Like, we're chill. Because I'm a crazy overthinker, so it's nice to be comfortable with that. Do you still get butterflies? Yes, yeah, especially like we did a lot of distance this year and coming back and seeing each other after a lot of distance and still having those like butterfly feelings is like that definitely tells you too.

Yeah. You did all these. We're going to talk about your growing up and all that stuff, but you've done all these zombie musicals. You've done four of them? Yeah. Are they wanting to do more? Yeah, I just filmed the fourth one this year, actually. Is it out yet? It's coming out next year, I think. Don't call me on that. I haven't seen one of these yet. Are they fun? It's Disney, right? Yeah, yeah. So it's fun and you're singing. Yes. And you love singing. I love music. You have a music video that I saw. Yeah. That you film a couple months back. What's it called? What's the song? Title. Title. Yeah. Is that your element?

Would you say if you had to choose acting or music, what would it be? That is honestly something I've been struggling with a lot this year of like, because a lot of times, I feel like you could definitely do both. But it is really hard to not do both and be kind of pigeonheld in one or the other. So I've been really trying to figure out that out this year, especially with acting of like what I want to do and who I want to be in the acting space. And that's always like, I'm definitely a lot more scared to act than I am to perform live. So I guess right now, like, putting out music and stuff is definitely something I really want to do and pursue that. But I really do love acting a lot. But I've been kind of going back to the drawing board with acting and being like, okay, what do I love about it?

And what do I feel passionate about it? I love playing somebody else. I think that's really cool. And thinking about like what they're going through emotionally. because like this is like a whole other tangent but with movies and TV like I get really attached to like I can't really like um let go of a character yeah and when I watch movies and TV I get really affected by it um even though like what's the last movie you were affected by for show oh my god I'm watching all of the Marvel movies in chronological order right now um again um and I just watched civil war like two nights ago and I was sobbing so I feel so bad for Iron Man like you He was really, anyways, but, um, so, you know, I'm not into all that stuff. Oh, really? No, I, I'd rather nap.

Oh, hey, that makes sense. That's not my thing. Right, right, right. Mine's like horror movies and documentaries. Right, ooh, see, horror movies is something that really affects me. I get really scared watching them. In a good way? No, I love going to horror nights, like, like, Universal Horror Nights.

Yes, so much fun. But, like, actual horror movies, they affect me so much. Like, I get really scared. And everybody who dies, I feel so. bad for them. Like, they had families. Like, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, well, it depends if it's grounded in reality and those kind of things. Right. Those are freaky, especially like the conjuring and stuff and it's like based on true events. Like, fuck, I'm not. Lusely. Lusely based on true events. Just those words. I'm like, oh, no, I can't. Yeah. Or like the strangers.

Which one's that? That's the one where they're at this house. Oh, the cabin? Yeah. Oh, no, because that could happen. That's why it's scary when things can happen. But I, for me, an adrenaline rush. When I watch a movie, I'm like, oh my God, what's she going to do? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's just an excitement. But going back to saying it's hard for you to let go to character. No, it's my fault. No, I wanted a tangent. No. Yeah. So because I am really affected by like stories and stuff like that, I think it's really cool to find that in characters and to play a character. But I think I've done comedic acting for so long, a musical theater that's like my background that I really love. dramatic acting as well but I just haven't had a chance to like you know haven't had the shot you haven't had the

shot yeah so that's something that I really really want to do do you think um I always say and this isn't a condescending thing at all no this is more like I feel like the older I get the more experience I have which is obvious but when you're acting you have more things to you know kind of grasp and say I know what that feeling is I know what death is I know what not being loved is I know what all these things are And I'm able to sort of take those and use them in my toolbox. Yeah. Do you think, I mean, have you experienced anything like in your life, any tough times that kind of give you that juice to or that ability to perform?

Yeah, definitely. I think, especially when I was younger, I feel like I've went through and seen a lot. So that definitely helps. And it's almost therapeutic in a way of being able to kind of coming to terms with that or using that in acting and music too. And it helps you kind of get through all of it. But it is hard dramatic acting, I think, even though it might come across real, I feel like I always like, because I don't, what's the word, maybe operate from a place of like,

I'm very like, you're fun, you're sort of optimistic. Optimistic, right, right. And so when like it's more dramatic, I'm like, is this real? Like, am I doing it right? And so I've been, this whole year, I've been. figuring out how to make it feel more authentic. How to let go. Exactly.

And stop being scared of being sad or it looking fake. But being an actor, as I'm sure you know, it's like insecurities can really get the best. Oh my gosh. You start thinking about it, thinking about how you look, thinking about how you're doing it, thinking about it. And it's just like I'm when you can actually just let go and just say to the director, listen, I'm going to do things. I trust you to make me look good, doing it.

So if something's not looking right, but I'm feeling it, I'm just going to do it anyway. Yeah. So I have you there to guide me. And that trust with the director is huge. It's crucial. If you trust their eye, trust their vision, then it helps you. When you're dealing with directors like on a weekly basis, like different directors and things, every week, it's a new person. And you're like, you know, they have to, you know, earn your trust.

And that's difficult. was growing up, were your parents together? Yeah. Are they still together? They are. They're happy? Yes, very much so. And so you had a good childhood.

Yeah, yeah. With them, I really did. Yeah. What do you mean with them? You're like, with them? Yes, with them. Well, who's the other? No, my secret family sucked.

Oh, yeah. They were awesome. No, no, they were great. I think there was like a lot of like loss and like just death in my family in general like my extended family um but and uh my mom had cancer when i was younger um but was like emotional um no no i mean yes but but you said you kind of discard it like you had cancer oh like what does that mean no it's just like talking about like deep stuff i just never know like it's like do you want to hear about it no it's it's no i think people really do it's

we talk about mental health on this and facing adversity and stuff so it is it is important if you feel comfortable at all but like you know tough times in dealing with death you say you have a lot of experience with death yeah yeah and um yeah when i was um younger it's cool that you talk about um mental health which i think we've talked about at um at the convention yeah um but yeah when I was younger when I was eight I had really bad anxiety I still do but when I was younger it was like really bad tripling yeah and um at the time especially like in the early 2000s when I was younger I feel like anxiety wasn't really talked about much um and even before that of course and it's really cool that it's being normalized now because when I was younger I felt crazy because I like didn't

really know it was happening I like couldn't go to school I would just have panic attacks all day and they didn't know what to do No and my parents just because I was so happy And just kind of like full event Very extroverted They were kind of like Okay it might be anxiety but there's just no way Because like she's just so outgoing

And loves musical theater and performing on stage Like how can she also have the crippling anxiety And not want to go to school And not want to perform on stage when Same thing with me Oh he's so outgoing and he's so funny And he's doing plays and he's doing this Yes. And I'm riddled with anxiety. Yeah. Wow. And it was it, it, it, it was so taxing in my body and my mind. Yeah. And the nerves were elevated to a point where it was beyond everyone else is just nerves. Yeah. You hear about those people that would throw up after before a show. Yes. Yeah. I'm sort of like that. It really took a lot for me to feel like I can get on stage. Yeah. Same. Perform. And I lived like that until I was probably 45.

years old. Wow. And no one knew. I just would say, I would just do it. And then, uh, it wasn't until I got on something that helped me. Right. And it reduced that extra, you know, holy shit feeling. Yeah. And it just leveled me out a little more so I could sort of still be nervous, but not shitting my pants. Right, right. Yes. No, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. So what they do? I, I, I didn't, well, so I thought, Because I always had like massive stomach aches and I'd be throwing up all the time and just be panicking, like just shaking like 24-7. I also remember the day, do you remember the day that your brain like shifted into that or no? Do you know what I remember? I remember a moment of normalcy.

Yes. Of starting to realize that maybe I could live a better life. Yeah. You know, and I think with anxiety. Yeah. And because people say you have to understand it and you have to just. There's so many things in meditation and I've tried a lot of things. And some different things work for different people.

Right. And it wasn't until I got on Lexa Pro. And I'm not saying LexiPro is right for you because it's not right for a lot of people. But it works for me. Yeah. And it just loaded enough where I'm not freaking out about everything. I'm not nervous about everything. I'm not, you know what I mean?

Yeah. So I don't know if it was an exact moment, but there was over the course of a few months I felt, wait a minute, this is different. I'm not sweating right now, you know. Yeah. No, it definitely is like hopeful because I feel like from where I was when I was younger to now, it's like so I could have never imagined like where I'm at mentally now. Like even though I still struggle with it, it's not anywhere. How did you what it was? How did you overcome it? Not overcome it, but how did you improve it? Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money. Period. It's Rocket Money. It's a personal finance app that helps finding. cancel your unwanted subscriptions monitors you're spending and helps lower your bills so you can

grow your savings this is just a wonderful app there's a lot of apps out there that really you know you have to do this and pay for and that but with rocket money it's they're saving you money you're getting this app to save money um i don't know how many times that i've had these unwanted subscriptions that i thought i canceled or i forgot to you know the free trial ran at ryan i know i did it. That's why you got rocket money. I did, yeah. And I also talked to a financial advisor recently and I said, I had rocket money and they said, that's good. This will help you keep track of your budget. See? See? It's only, we're only here to help folks. We're only trying to give you, you know, things that will help you. So rocket money really does that. Rocket money shows you

all your expenses in one place, including subscriptions you forgot about. If you see a subscription you no longer want, rocket money will help cancel it. Rocket money will even try to negotiate lower bills for you. The app automatically scans your bills to find opportunities to save and then goes to work to get you better deals. They'll even talk to the customer service so you don't have to. Yeah, because I don't want to. Press one now. If you want, oh, get alerts if your bills increase in price, if there's unusual activity in your accounts, if you're close to going over budget, and even when you're doing a good job, Rocket Money's 5 million members have saved a total of $500 million in canceled subscriptions with members saving up to $7,000.

$740 a year when they use all of the app's premium features. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Download the Rocket Money app and enter my show name inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum in the survey so they know I sent you. Don't wait. Download the Rocket Money app today and tell them you heard about them from my show. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Rocket Money. Inside of You is brought to you by Quince. I love Quince, Ryan. I've told you this before. I got this awesome $60 cashmere sweater. I wear it religiously. You can get all sorts of amazing, amazing clothing for such reasonable prices.

Look, cooler temps are rolling in. And as always, Quince is where I'm turning for fall staples that actually last. From cashmere to denim to boots, the quality holds up and the price still blows me away. Quince has the kind of fall staples you'll wear nonstop, like Super Soft 100% Mongolian cashmere sweaters, starting at just 60 bucks. Yeah, I'm going to get you one of those, I think. I like to see you in a cashmere. Maybe a different color, so we don't look like twins. Their denim is durable, and it fits right, and their real leather jackets bring that clean, classic edge without the elevated price tag. And what makes Quince different, they partner directly with ethical factories and skip the middlemen.

so you get top-tier fabrics and craftsmanship at half the price of similar brands. These guys are for real. They have so much great stuff there that you just have to go to Quince. Q-U-I-N-C-E. I'm telling you, you're going to love this place. Keep it classic and cool this fall with long-lasting staples from Quince. Go to quince.com slash inside of you for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.

dot com slash inside of you free shipping and 365 day returns quince.com slash inside of you. I went to therapy when I was younger, like when I was like eight or nine. Funny though, I thought that I didn't really understand what was really happening because my parents like found out that it was like anxiety like generalized anxiety disorder where like you're just anxious all the time for really no reason. And it's not like, oh, I'm worried about a job. I'm worried about a performance. I'm worried about everything. I'm worried about literally everything. And it's dying was like throwing up, dying, feeling hot. Like I would start freaking out. And so I think it stemmed from my mom being sick. Um, I'm pretty sure. Not 100% sure. No, but that that makes

sense. And so yeah, so I just couldn't manage it. Um, and then so I went to therapy, but I thought, I didn't really know what was happening. So I would just tell her stories that were just all made up. And then I realized. You're a therapist. Yeah, when I was like eight. Well, you're eight, yeah. Yeah, I was like, yeah, like went to Ireland with my whole family.

She didn't go to Ireland. I did not go to Ireland. Yeah. And I would just like make up all these stories. But I think it was helpful because she did really help and there was just a bunch of exercises that helped like stress balls and like just saying that you're not crazy. Like there's things that you can't control. It's like a lot of, what's the word?

Maybe like mantras, I guess, of like. Yeah. Like, for instance, there's one where they're like, when anxiety is there and you feel it, acknowledge it. Yeah. And then go, all right, you're in the backseat, but I'm fucking driving. Yeah. And you could be here and I'm feeling all these things and that's fine, but I'm still in control of this. Yeah.

And I'm feeling it and it sucks. But, you know, it's sort of like I always imagine like, all right. You're back there. Stay back there. Totally. Okay? Yeah. I know you're here, dude, but we're driving.

Yeah. We're going. No, I call all my anxious thoughts and like intrusive thoughts because I get bad intrusive thoughts sometimes. I call them the council. It's like the council in my head. What intrusive thoughts come in your line? Oh my God.

Literally everything. You're going to die. Yeah. Like, like, um, just any, any like morbid thought, I don't know. And then the problem is, is like, everybody has morbid thoughts and everyone thinks about death or like, you know, you're like walking on like a bridge and you're like, hey, you should jump, stuff like that. My uncle told me, my uncle was a psychologist.

Yeah. And he had a patient once who, you know, this sounds like I'm making this up. No. But he, he had a fear of shitting his pants in public. Wait, same. You had that? Yeah. I feel like I, like, if I get like a cramp or a stomach cramp, I'm like, I'm going to

show my pants. I always, and I got that too. I got, but he get anxiety because of my stomach. Yes. And it was all part of the anxiety. It's just the cycle. You get anxious about being anxious. Yeah, he was like, you know, and he couldn't leave the house because he's going to shit his pants.

I'm like, so you're okay with shitting your pants in your own house, which is fine. But, and I go, did he ever resolve it? I go, he goes, I don't know. I don't know. That is so funny because there's times where like you do, like, if you're like driving or like in a car and you have to like shit your pants, that's an awful feeling. You're like sweating. Oh, my God, it's the worst. But like, you either.

But like, talking about it's kind of funny. It's hilarious. So you think I tried to think about if I shit my pants, I'll be funny, right? I'm like, it's still not going to be funny. No. I mean, it's funny later on, but yeah, I shit my pants like a couple weeks ago. And it wasn't a big one, but it was like, it was just because I was with my friend, Joe, who's out there and we were doing merch for sending merch to people.

Right. And I just, you know, farted to be funny. And I go, oh my God. Oh, my God, I shit my God, I shit my underwear. And thank God I was here. So I had to go throw away the underwear and shower. But was it just like skin marks. No, it was like, it was like if I had, it was like, it was like, it was like, it was like,

enough where it sprayed a little in my pants it wasn't see i'm glad you could laugh at this but i was i was i embarrassed myself right i'm embarrassing myself yeah but anxiety will will will screw with you in so many ways because it plays tricks on you it's like you're thinking of like oh my god what if i had to go to the bathroom at this restaurant oh my gosh i don't want to go to the bathroom at this restaurant i better take a tums or uh roll aids before uh what if i do that you know it's all these intrusive thoughts that are just stop i know but you can't it's like this cyclical you know and if you don't do something about it it really could wreak havoc on your life it really does yeah i think like yeah it's like over planning to a tea like that's what i always even going

in the beach i'm like okay there's no bathroom there so like if i go like should i drink coffee now like maybe i should wait should i do this is there a bathroom checking like all the emergency exits it's crazy even in movie theaters i'm like okay like if somebody comes in God forbid I'm like am I ducking like who's protecting me it's crazy dude you know what I did I was somewhere I was in oh hi this last weekend and I was with someone and we were just going to watch like the you know on top of the hill just like oh hi look at oh hi at night and then I got there and it was just kind of like fuck I should have came at like sunset but he's pitch black I can't see shit but we pull in and there's this guy and he's like beating up minivan he's just sitting

in there. And immediately I go, we just leave. I don't know who this guy is. Maybe he's fine. Maybe he should his pants. I don't know. But then I go, all right, let's get out. And we got out and we started walking. And I immediately looked around me to see what I can get if something happens. I'll pick up that trash can and I'll smack him in the face with it. There's a big piece of wood right there. I just looked everywhere. I always think about that. I'm hyper aware if I'm out and I sense somebody is not really right or something could happen. I go, let's get out here. I'm like way overly sensitive. Something tells me I shouldn't be here. I'm going to leave. I do that. Yeah. Or when I'm walking down the street, I'll always have like one headphone out. I'm always looking

behind me. I'm like if somebody comes up with a night. You should always do that. I understand why people are always with headphones crossing the streets. And they're like looking at their phone. Yeah. What if you? And I'm like, I could snatch intrus of thought. I'm like, I'm going to snatch your brain. You can't hear it. I know. Yeah. Why do people wear headphones while they're walking? I don't know. One in, one out. I know. Anything. Someone could be calling at you like, like, oh, you dropped your wallet. Get out the way. You know? Yeah. You never know. They'd be saying, you were married from Winchester's. And then you wouldn't hear it. They go, she's an asshole. She didn't even respond. You know, there's so many. Yeah, tweets about it, goes viral. But when did it start getting better for you, the anxiety?

take years. Definitely. When I came to L.A. It was a whole new set. I've never had like a lot of social anxiety. And then when I came out to L.A. and I was meeting new people like, you know, the pool of especially child actors when I came here is just so small. So I'm like, if I make a bad impression on somebody, like everyone's going to talk or whatever. And I would text people like over and over again to make sure that they liked me. So now I think about it, I'm like, I feel like I like just made bad impressions everywhere. I have no idea. Sometimes when I'm sleeping at night. I'll overthink that. And I'm like, oh my God, what do I say to that girl when I was 12? Like, did she know that I was having a bad day? I still have things haunt me to this day about

ways I acted that were perceived wrong or maybe I just kind of was a little bit of an asshole. Yes. Or whatever or bad day or the way I, and I still think of those things. Me too. And all I could do is be a better person and not let that happen again. Exactly. And I think that's what, helped my anxiety a lot is like definitely talking about it listening to bob marley but then also telling what's your favorite bob marley song waiting in vain i was going to say it i want to be love could you be love could you be love yeah that's a great one too um but um but i think what's really helped is kind of like rationalizing stuff like that or like being able to like sit down and even writing in your notes like just rationalizations because anxiety is so irrationed

obviously and just being like okay I'm thinking about a time when I was 12 that I talked to this girl and I maybe gave her like a look like that she could have perceived as me being mad at her what am I going to do about that it's like okay well now she's grown probably doesn't give one shit about you it's like okay cool and you are and I've grown and even if she thought that I was mean or at that moment like I'm not 12 anymore now I'm 24 she doesn't know who you are now No, exactly. So, like, just like rationalizing stuff like that and just like, even though it sounds so stupid because, yes, obviously those things are true. But it really helps to like really convince yourself and the counsel in your head that like it like rationally like it's really not that deep.

And I'm also not the same person I was like last week. Like everyone is constantly growing and will continue to grow. And you're changing because you're 24. They say, you know, I don't know if they say women or they say people in general, but change every five years. Yeah. Like every five years. So the woman you'll be when you're 30 is going to be different than you are now. Yeah.

And I'll be cringing at all the shit I'm doing. But you can't be. You have to just know that this is who I am right now. Yeah. And this is. Yeah. It's just crazy though that now like in this era and this generation, especially the next generation, that everything is documented. Everything.

Which is really scary. And I thank God that most of my life I didn't have to deal with that. Yeah. I could just do what I want. and just enjoy life and not you know there was a simplicity that uh to growing up you know in the 80s or 70s 80s 90s even and yeah just I and I really uh feel bad for me too people now who are just growing up with phones and everything they know is and there's no connection there's no you know and we that's talked ad nauseum so it's not something I know we can get it into because it's like

you know you know people love their phones and I love a lot about my phone but But there was something special about not knowing what something meant and having to figure it out or not knowing what something was and having to figure it out or saying, I'll meet you at the theater at seven because we have no phones. Be there. I hope you'll be there. There was something exciting about that. And just, you know, when you were hanging out with friends, you just talked. You just talked about stuff or what, you know, there was just. Very much so.

Yeah. And also it's funny with anxiety is that, you know, sometimes we'll say, well, let me. me ask you a question these these things are you are they true well you the anxiety you're getting from oh what if I fail have you failed no but I could yeah but you haven't exactly and I go yeah but I could yeah and they're like but you haven't I know and I go I know I haven't failed but what if I do fail I don't know if I can deal with that I know and they're like but you haven't and all you can do And these are things that slowly you start to understand. You're like, hey, how do I do my best not to fail?

And then sometimes people say the best thing you can do is fail to learn more and understand how you failed and understand how and be stronger the next time. So then the failure won't hit you as hard. And I think the people that fail the most probably are the most successful too at the same time. Because you learn so much. It is really scary because you just want to prepare yourself. for the pain that's caused by failure or not getting what you want or losing somebody or anything like that. But sometimes that pain actually is the most helpful thing that you can ever It is. Maybe not at the time. Not at the time. But with time, you'll like look back and be like,

oh, wow. Like that's actually the best thing that could have happened for me because now I've grown so much. But it's really scary in the moment. And it feels like there's no way out sometimes. but also having communities really like even having this conversation I feel like help so much or when I was younger like just hearing about celebrities who would like especially when it was like really frowned upon because it's like was seen as a weakness more so I mean kind of is now still but it's way better than it was way better I think people are talking about it now and like you know people I think you know it's funny because we talk about the lack of connection but I think that there is more of an understanding about mental illness than there has been yeah and even though

that you know not everybody can get along and the world can seem so divisive and you know split down the middle and but i still think if you're having problems people don't look at you like you're a freak anymore and they understand that you're trying to help yourself and that person needs help and you know so there is a bit of an um more of an empathetic feel i think nowadays a hundred percent and i think a lot of people are dealing with it now it was wild how many people from my childhood who didn't really understand like what i was going through when i was younger but no like I would try and talk about it and even though they couldn't really understand it like nobody was like ew they were kind of like oh I don't really know what that means but like I'm sorry that

you have to go through that but during COVID so many people reached out to me being like like I'm feeling anxiety what is this like whatever you were talking about when you were younger like I think I'm feeling that like how do I help and so I feel like that's what inspired me to talk about it more publicly because it was something that I was always like I don't want to talk about it but then I was like, you're helping people. Yeah. And it's like, why not talk about it? It's like, it's really nothing to be ashamed of. Oh, can you believe she opened up and talked about her anxieties, which helped many people across. Yeah. Fuck. Who are you, you know? Yeah. It's just, we just operate differently than most, but that's okay. And it's really cool to look at it

as a superpower as well, which I'm trying to do. Sometimes it's really hard. But if you're really sensitive to everything, like you can read people better than anybody because you're over sensitive to every look that people are saying. And you could take that negatively, like, oh, my God, like, their energy shifted. Like, they definitely don't like me. But you also could see it positively of like, oh, I can read that. And some people can't. So it's kind of cool to look about it in a more positive way, even though it's really hard.

Yeah, absolutely. But it's something I'm working on because it's like, or over preparing and stuff. It's like not a lot of people are able to do that either. It's like, you know, so that's cool. Yeah, I think it's incredibly cool. You ever kissed someone in the morning, and you wish you hadn't? It's a real turnoff. Bad breath, that is.

And that goes for everyone. Yes, I created a product called Rosie's Puppy Fresh Breath. Just one full cap in your dog's water. And wow, it's odorless, tasteless. You'll be kissing your dogs all day. My breath is delicious. Yeah, mine too. It's awesome. Rosie's Puppy Fresh Breath.

Get it on Amazon today. Hey let me ask you this uh you test screening for the new superman movie yes yeah you tested with james uh for super for super for super girl yeah and you almost got it it was between you and the girl who got it yeah was that heartbreaking yes um I definitely can't lie and say it wasn't but at the same time like the fact that I even got an audition and they like they like it. So you just read once and then you tested? Yes, I sent in the tape and then I tested, yeah. And the fact that they like it and that I even had a chance was just like bonkers. To get to that level, to get to that, to be in front of the director and all that is just,

if you can look at things like as an accomplishment, not as, hey, I didn't get this, but what good things did happen? Well, it may have opened the door and they saw me and I got so close that maybe they'll consider me for something else, or maybe the studio likes me for something else, or I'm in that ballpark where I'm good enough. Yeah. And honestly, like, I mean, that is totally how I've been looking at it and just growing up and being obsessed with superhero movies in general and being able to like actually like screen test and be in that world just a bit. And like everyone there, like a part of his team, like as I'm sure you know all of them, they're literally the nicest people. And they're, they made me feel so I was so. I was so.

So nervous. Like I was literally shitting my pants. Like I literally shitting my pants. Super shitting my pants. And they were so nice. It made me feel so comfortable. Like I will just never forget that. And that was cool. And also gives hope of like, wow, like there's actually like really dope people and really cool people in this industry that have each other's backs. And like, that was also a great lesson to learn too. It's, you know, so. Were you there with who's the actress who got it? Millie. Millie. Do you know Millie? I don't.

But did you meet her that day? I did, yeah, and she's so nice. She was nice. Yeah, and very talented and so deserving. So I'm really, also, like, just, I'm really excited just to see it because I'm such a fan of what they're doing and what they're doing with the DCU. So, like, I'm just happy for her and for them to do it. I mean, obviously, like, it was definitely hard to, like, to hear, but I also.

When did you get the call? I understand why. Yeah. Probably, like, a couple days after. Did you ask like did you hear anything? Did you hear anything? Yeah, no, I was freaking out. I was like. And they called you and said, I'm so sorry. Yeah. Did you cry? Maybe. Yeah, because it's like, you know, it's emotional. You put your heart and soul into something.

Yeah. Why, you know, it's just like, man. Yeah. I've had those moments where I'm like, I'm right there. And somebody thought that person was right. It wasn't that you weren't great. it was that that one that person's just what we're looking for yeah and exactly what we're looking for exactly and what was really helpful around that same time um me and the the lead of the zombies movies milo we were actually involved in the casting like we were um producers on zombies four so we were actually involved in the casting process and that helped immensely because in my mind my intrusive thoughts i'm like oh you go into an audition and everybody is like wow she's shit like boo. And like like Joe is terrible.

And like she and just all the negative stuff you think in your head. And like if you mess up once, it's like, oh my God, like they think I'm terrible. Like I'm not meant to be here. But going through that casting process and seeing all of the kids and how talented they were. And it was nothing like even talking about the casting, it had nothing to do with them at all. It was just like, who's the best fit for what this movie is? That helped so much because it made it less personal. of like, okay, like I, they still liked what I did.

And I, it's nothing about like my worth. It's just like a different direction, which is so fine. Yeah. So, yeah. But it's hard to do that in the moment. Yeah, it is. But like, I think the older you get, I think the more experience you'll have, which you already have a lot of experience.

But like, the more you deal with it, the easier, it won't be plus, never will be pleasant to hear no. Yeah. Nobody likes hearing no. Yeah, yeah. But you'll sort of just be like, okay, this is part of the business. Rejection 90% of the time or more. But then you get something and you forget about it all.

And then you dive deep into that role and you have a blast. You make relationships. You make relationships. And then you meet Drake. You know, things like great things happen. And it's all about just taking it day by day and, you know, see what's around the next corner. You know, I think that's important. You buy a pair of socks, that's two socks.

You buy a pair of Bomba socks, that's four socks. Because one purchased is one donated. Sox are the number one most requested clothing item in homeless shelters. So when you buy a pair of super comfortable Bombas socks, you're also donating a pair. Bombas customers have powered over 150 million donations. So Bombas would like to thank you 150 million times, but we only have like 30 seconds. Go to Bombas.com and use code audio for 20% off your first purchase. That's B-O-M-B-A-S.com and use code audio at checkout.

Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. If you want to save money, then listen to me because I use this. Ryan uses this. So many people use Rocket Money. It's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions. Crazy, right? How cool is that? Monitorers your spending and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings.

And you know what's great? It works. it really works ryan rocket money will even try to negotiate lowering your bills for you the app automatically scans your bills to find opportunities to save and then goes to work to get you better deals they'll even talk to customer service thank god so you don't have to um i don't know how many times we talk about this but like you know you got it and they helped you in so many ways and with these subscriptions that you think are like oh it's a one month subscription for free and then you pay, well, we forget. We want to watch a show on some streamer and then we forget and now we

owe $200 by the end of the year. They're there to make sure those things don't happen and they will save you money. You know, Rocket Money's 5 million members have saved a total of $500 million and canceled subscriptions with members saving up to $740 a year when they use all of the app's premium features. Get alerts if your bills increase in price. If there's unusual activity in your accounts if you're close to going over budget and even when you're doing a good job. How doesn't everybody have Rocket Money? It's insane. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Download the Rocket Money app and enter my show name inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum in the survey so they know that I sent you. Don't wait.

Download the Rocket Money app today and tell them you heard about them from my show. what about American Housewife you did that for five years yes yeah I mean was that fun oh my god it was so much fun like I always think I think about everybody in the crew and the cast like every day like I like I owe so much to them like I had just turned you were 16 yeah yeah I had just turned 16 and I moved to LA and I was like definitely a fish out of water and um and then when we wrapped I was 21. So it was just like my, like, I did a lot of my growing up on that set and just learned so much from. You went from Barbie to beer on that fucking set. I did. And I just felt like I went through so much and so many changes. And everybody was just so great. And Diedrich, who is on the show,

Diedrich Bader. I love Diedrich Bader. He is the best. So nice. And he was like, he played my dad on the show. And he was like, another. dad that I had in real life. And he was such a great mentor and just everything in the business. So yeah, I just, yeah, I just love everybody so much. And just everybody in the crew, like all the we had so many inside jokes. And we were just like really a big family. As I'm sure, you know that feeling. Yeah. No, they become your family. It's just it's amazing how you're, you know, for seven years in Smallville. Yeah. Even for two seasons, 20 episodes, seven months of this show I did called Impaster. I mean, I love the crew.

I loved being there. I, you know, and then when it's done, a lot of times for me, it, I think about it after I've been away from it for a while. And then I realize how important something was. That was great. Which is almost a shame. I wish I could feel like most of the time I'm like going, all right, let's go to the next. Let's go the next.

Yeah. But I think it's important to feel it and to understand what a lucky, grateful, be grateful about the things that you're doing and, you know, just sort of, hey, I'm here today and this is, this is great. I'm around people who are great and, um, hey, let's just sit with this for a second. This is totally. Look around you. Look what everybody's doing. They're all creating something. They're using their abilities to make a show. Yeah. Or whatever it is. And just like, I think it's nice to do that. Very nice. You know, I force myself to do it even when it feels forced. Yeah. That even makes sense. You force yourself.

to go, okay, I'm going to go and I'm just going to watch this happen. And I know that I'm doing this because I'm hoping to feel some sort of feeling of gratitude or whatever it is, but I'm going to do it anyway. I'm going to force myself to take this moment. Yeah. And when you do, it's like, hey, that was pretty cool. Yeah. I'm cool with that.

Yeah, and it's really cool too. I feel like your brain in a great way, like romanticizes everything like just the past. And it's like you remember, you don't remember any, very rarely, I feel like you remember, you don't remember the bad stuff. And you kind of just remember as it was and all the great memories. And I think that's like really special. But especially with American Housewife. Like I have all the crew over whoever's in town.

Like we've done like a yearly like reunion. Really? Yeah. That's so nice. So it's really cool. I did it last summer and it was so hot because it's so hot right now. know. So I think maybe the fall, this fall will do another one. Did you get rich off that show?

I don't know. I'm telling you, when I was young and somebody goes, if I can make $100,000, I'll live like a king. $100,000. And I thought making $100,000 for your whole life was enough. Yeah. I'm like, not in Los Angeles. Not in Los Angeles. But it's amazing how you can work. And it, It's just funny. It's like people don't realize that, yes, you make, you can make a lot of money at one time if a show, you know, for a show. But when it gets canceled and you're unemployed, now you don't have a job for a year or two years or three years or consistent. And all of a sudden, that money's gone.

Yeah. And you're helping with the mom or you're helping with whatever. And it's not as easy unless you're making the big bucks. A hundred percent. You know, so it's, you know, and you're young enough, but you hit it big way before I did. I mean, it took me until I was, I mean, really, I mean, I would probably say I was like 29 before I finally got out of debt, 28, you know, I was, I had a lot of money in debt. And I used to, in college, I used to ask Lally, my friend Tom, I used to take my credit

card and just use it for everything. I go, hey, let's go out to dinner. Let's do this. I had no money to pay it. So what I did was when it was. time to pay it. I paid with my credit card. Okay. So I took money out of my credit card to pay for my credit card. Nice. And I racked up about 22,000. And you know what I remember saying? He goes, dude, what the fuck are you doing? How are you going to pay for this? And I go, well, if I'm not

able to pay for it, who gives a shit? I guess I'm broke. And if I'm able to pay for it, awesome. Hell yeah. That's my mentality. Now, that isn't the mentality you should have. But I did. I kind of went like, well, I'll be in debt. Yeah. And I'll still be enjoying it.

Come on. But I'm like, but how long can that last? Yeah. You're paying the bare minimum every month. Your interest alone is like X amount. And it wasn't smart. But I remember just going, I'm going to do this. I'm going to freaking do it.

Hell yeah. And I had a good, a good college year. Yeah. What? do you still get really nervous with auditions? Oh, yeah, 100%. Even self-tape, self-tape? Yeah, with self-tape, it's hard.

I'm even nervous around someone reading with me. Me too. I don't want them to think I'm bad or go waste their time. Like, I'll get it. You just got to keep... I only can do self-tapes with Drake at the moment. I'm trying to, like, to branch out and do it with, like, friends or maybe with somebody, like a, you know, you can pay for, like, an acting reader.

Oh, that made me, yeah. It's just scary because I'm, yeah, I'm like, they're judging me the whole time. I think I'm shit and it up. Then I'm like, okay, but then like, no one thinks that it's fine. And even if they do, it's fine. But anyways, but yeah, it is really hard, especially with self-tapes because you could do it over and over and over again until it's like perfect, which is almost like, I feel like with impersonal auditions, you just give it your go. And then afterwards you're like, hey, I gave what I could have given. You know what, though?

I got to say, I haven't done a lot of. I haven't, yes, but I haven't done a lot of on. what do they call it taping self-tape I haven't done a lot of self-tapes unless I'm really into something yeah and there was there was a couple things I was interested in and I was like actually this is kind of better because I put the words on a scroll on my phone yes my iPad and I don't have to learn the lines anymore which takes a couple days for me right and so I put it somewhere where my eye line looks like I'm looking at the person the other person's talking and I set it up and I just do like maybe two or three takes of each. I don't care. I look and it's

quick. And the response has been great. Yeah. And I'm like, wow. Yeah. I mean, I don't have to go and be nervous around people. Yeah. I don't have to go and screw up. I don't have to know my lines. I know. It's great. Yeah. And also it's kind of fun. I feel like when you're like looking at the lines too and you're reading them, it's like you can just be way more natural too. Yeah. Because you're like, you're like reading it like like you're reading it as you're acting it so you're like feeling it and you're like yeah but like yeah like memorizing line i mean obviously you have to memorize lines like like for the job obviously but i but self tapes it's just so much easier and just way more lax yeah i agree yeah i agree but yeah sometimes you can get in your head especially when it's

something that you really want of like is this take good enough like should i do it again um And then you have that thought of like, oh, should, like, should I have done another one or should I've gotten one better, you know? My friend Bill helps me and he moved to Atlanta. So now I got to get somebody else to help me. Boo. But I remember like, Bill's so laid back about I go, what do you think? He goes, yeah. Let me do another one.

I go. How was that? He goes, yeah. Yeah. I'm like, dude. I know. He's like, no, no, no, I think this is. Then he'll go.

No, I think this isn't better. This is, you know. But like, you know, and I don't like people who are just too, I like good ideas. Yeah. But when they're too much like, being a director. Yeah, yeah. You didn't read the script, neither did I. Right.

So you don't know what's going on. Let's just do this. All right. This is called shit talking with McDonald's. Okay. Wait, I didn't get charged for my donut. It was free with this Tim's rewards points. I think I just stole it.

I'm a donut stealer. Ooh. Earn points so fast. It'll see. seem too good to be true. Plus, join Tim's rewards today and get enough points for a free donut, drink, or timbits. With 800 points after registration, activation, and first purchase of a dollar or more. See the Tim's app for details at participating in restaurants in Canada for a limited time.

Whether you own a bustling hair salon, a painting company that just landed a big job, or the hottest new bakery in town, You need business insurance that can keep up with your evolving needs. With flexible coverage options from TD Insurance, you only pay for what you need. Get a quote in minutes from TD Insurance today. TD, ready for you. And these are rapid fire from my patrons.

Okay. Patrons support this podcast and keep it going. patreon.com slash Insiddy if you want to join. If you like this interview, I love it. Time has flown by. Yeah. You're so easy to talk to. This is so easy. Same with you. All right. Well, thanks.

Michael C. Have you ever come across anything paranormal in your life? I don't really think so. There was this church that I used to do theater camp at that was kind of scary and probably haunted maybe. But besides that, like, I've never had a paranormal experience and it kind of scares me because I'm like, I feel like everybody has one. And so I'm like, wait, like, do the ghost not like me? Like, am I doing something wrong? Like, no, keep, keep them wine. Yeah, yeah.

Nico P. What are two things that will make you smile instantly? Let me see if I can guess. You got the part. Yeah, definitely. I'm Drake right now. I love you. Are those two things?

Yeah, those are two things. What are two other things? Do you say er? You go, er. My friend's from Ireland, Connor. And he's always like, he says, m. M, yeah, M. Let's see. Probably SpongeBob. You like SpongeBob? Nothing makes me laugh harder than Spong. This is my phone case. It's Squidward. Oh my God. On the Mona Lisa. Amazing. But yeah, SpongeBob makes me laugh really hard. So that always makes me smile. And, um, let's coffee. You like coffee. I love coffee. I offered your coffee today. You didn't take it. I know because I already had two.

Yeah, you don't want to get an anxiety tag. I already had two to do. Exactly. Little Lisa, if you could. only eat one food for the rest of your life, what would it be? Probably sushi. I love sushi. Sushi's good, but I get congested. Yeah? Maybe it's the soy sauce. Oh, maybe. Yeah. Leanne, what is your biggest pet peeve? Let's see. I think this is really funny because there's no like winning in the situation for like people, so I feel bad, but you know when you're like walking on the street, especially New York, if you're walking on the street and then there's somebody in front of you and they're walking really slow so you're like okay so you have to like walk around but then if someone's walking really fast behind you and you're like bro you're breathing down my neck

like can you just like walk around so you like I do that a lot I'll just like stand there and then like wait for people to like walk by or something like that all right that's probably that's a pep I was thinking you're going to say I don't like when drake picks his nose or farts no I think that's hilarious as you know I especially from your like shitting pants story like all that shit's so funny to me especially farts yeah it's you know it's you know it is. It just kind of makes you feel like a normal person when people are just talking about stupid shit. It's so funny. Farts are the funniest thing that I've ever been invented. Do you know I have a fart book? What? What do you mean? Simon and Schuster's put it out. It comes out in

October for pre-order. You have to get one. Well, maybe I'll give you one if you posted on Instagram. I will. It's no, no, you'll love it. It's like different farts. Dude, this is, I can't believe to tell you about this. I pitched it. It's about a kid who's only talent is farting, and he can make his farts sound like all the crazy things we hear in life. And so where everybody else thinks he's sort of an outcast, he's like, I'm going to, I'm going to show you what I got. This is what I have. This is what God gave me. And I'm going to show you. So he can make, you know, in band class, he makes his fart sound like a trumpet. Yeah. And he makes his, uh, the ketchup bottle that's empty sound like an empty. So it's called the

talented farder. Oh my God. And I'll just show you one. little scene. This is so good. I'm so happy that... On July 4th, when the family fireworks collection fizzled rather than fired, little Michael saved the day

with his very own one man fireworks extravaganza. He quickly cranked out a bunch of fart crackers and smoke bombs that lit up the night sky. So here is him lighting up his fart and they sound like fireworks. Oh my God.

There is no way. I need like five copies of this immediately. Oh, yeah, it comes out in October and like this one is last one. Little Michael loved Halloween, but nothing frightened his friends more than when Michael would stink up a good scare. And here's the funniest part. They're all my farts. No way. They're real farts.

Really? Yeah, they're real farts. That's how I pitched and they thought it was a great idea. That's talent. That's talent. How did you make them sound like the different? things sometimes here's what i would do john heater who's uh napolean dynamite is my good friend oh my god and i would send him my far it's like good morning and it was like and he'll text me back and go

sounded like fireworks on the 5th of july or it sounded like a cranky door in a haunted house so i came up with the idea to have this book and so even on the even on the back of it you know it's like john says uh michael really puts his fart and soul into his john heater this book is disgusting and horrible. I've read it 147 times, Rain Wilson. Jennifer Love, Hewitt, an instant classic by the gaseous and classiest guy I know. Michael is a wonderful storyteller because he's funny, he is tender, he is small, and very noisy Henry Winkler. And Tom Welling, an insight, an insight into the bowels of a genius. That's so great. Oh my God. Speaking of both things, I actually saw Rain Wilson and Ventura

and he was waiting for the bathroom, but I was in there. And I felt so self-called. because I was like, I feel like it kind of stunk, so. Oh, rain will get over it. I know. I just hope that he wasn't like, you know. Judging? Yeah. Like, that's scary.

You know, it's funny because one time there was, yeah, there's this girl. And he was like, oh my God. One time I went to this camp. It was like for adults, like, you know, so it was like a fun camp to almost act like your kids, but you're not. Oh, that's fun. And it was great. And so one of the girls that was, you know, we shared, didn't share bunks, but in the

room there were a lot of bunks. Right. And one of the girls, I went in there to go to the bathroom and she just walked out. And it was the worst thing there ever was. No, no, no. It was like, it's like I understand like girls don't fart. But the reason they don't fart is because they know when they, when they finally do after sucking it up for hours, it's like thermonuclear war.

Yeah, it's like just let it out right away And it's not building up Can't believe we got into this conversation Melissa M When given the role of Mary and Supernatural Did you research Samantha Smith's take on the character Or did you want to start fresh And have the character go in another direction

I'm crying Okay That's so funny Yes, I did Samantha is crazy Samantha is so talented And I love her portrayal of Mary And I watched a lot of episodes

And it also really helped I mean, to have the whole supernatural family around us, but also Drake was a huge supernatural fan growing up. So he knew all of like the Mary heavy episodes and backstories on the boys and also John Winchester as well. So we just said like on the pilot, like the four of us watched a lot of episodes that were like specifically of the parents. And so it definitely helped a lot. Nice. But it was nerve wracking like coming into those shoes. That's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot. It was, yeah, especially the fan base is just so loyal.

And they love the project so much. We just wanted to make sure that they liked our portrayals. What's coming up next for you? Anything we could talk about? Definitely music. I don't know why I'm saying er. I don't really do that. I like it.

I think it's a cute quirk. I think you just keep doing it. All right. Here in this room, it feels good to do it here. So what's the album? Yeah. Well, I actually just signed with, which I was doing today this morning. I signed I will partner with this um label called range um and it's kind of like a management company but also a label as well and so um my plan is to just like keep working on music for the next couple of months and hopefully release a song in the next couple of months and then have like an EP at the beginning of the year and just like really really go for it and perform and all that yeah so that's what's next and then just auditioning you know I love it.

Yeah. We're working on our next album. It would be our third album for my band Sunspin. No way. Yeah. So if there's a song and I don't know, would you come sing on it? Please. Yeah.

You would? Yeah. I would love to have you on the album. Yeah, I would love that. Oh my God. There's a couple that are, I think you'll really dig. They're not like this. They're more like Americana, singer, songwriter, or 70s, 80s kind of vibe, whatever.

I love that. Yeah. I love this. Thank you. It's really good. And I love the music video. It's dope. You're just, you do a lot of different things.

It sounds like you're enjoying life. I am. Moving in with your boyfriend now, Drake, who he love. You got the music career. You got the acting career. You were up for Supergirl. You're like, things are going well. And I want you to be able to, as a 24 year old woman, to be able to just sit back and kind of look from the outside in and just say, I'm doing pretty damn good.

And I have a lot to be proud. of and don't get caught up in what you think you should be doing or being relevant and all that stupid shit that everybody thinks throws at you just enjoy everything that you can thank you because i wasted a lot of years not yeah yeah i feel like i have definitely already wasted a lot of time thinking of those things and i um so that means a lot especially coming from you for saying that because well um i think it yeah i really needed to hear that so good so thank you Thank you. I appreciate that. Thanks for being here.

She's awesome. And she posted about my fart book for everybody to buy the talented farter. And I appreciate that. She loves farts just as much as anyone. She does. We talked about that. You did. Yes.

Yeah. I wonder if Bryce kept that in. I'm sure he did. I'm sure he did. Right now we can't forget our top tier patrons. And those are the folks that have really supported this podcast, Inside Out. Patreon.com slash inside of you. if you want to support the podcast and give back.

And we really do appreciate it. We're going to give the shoutouts to the top tiers and in no particular order. Nancy D. Lee and Kristen, Little Lisa, you Kiko. J. Lee, Brian H. Nico P. Rob I. Could be Rob L, actually. It's Rob L. Rob L. Jason W. Sophie M. Roche, she, Jennifer, Ann, Stacey, L.

Janelle B. and Mike. L. Don, Supremo, 99. More. Santiago M. G. M. G. G-N. What? What? Leanne. It's Leanne P. Thank you very much. I flipped it. Gosh. Maddie S. Kendrick F, Belinda, Belinda, N. Dave H. You mean? Dave hole. Dave hole. Hello, Michael. Brad D. D. Ray H. That's also known as Ray Hada. Tab of the T, Tom and Talia and Betsy D. I miss you, Betsy. Haven't talked to you in a long time. Hello, Michael. Brad D. D. D. It's also known as Ray Hada. Tab of the T, Tom, and Talia and Betsy D. I miss you, Betsy. Haven't talked to you in a long time. hope you're well. Rian and C. And by the way, I hope everybody's doing well and taking care of their mental health and doing whatever it takes to get through this thing called life and in a positive way.

Corey K. Dovnexon, Michelle A, Jeremy C., Mr. M., Eugene, and Leah. The Salty Ham, Mel S, Eric H, Oracle, Amanda R., William K, Kevin E, J. Jor L. Jamin, J, Leanne, J. Luna R, like F, Jules M, Jessica B. J. Charlene A. Marion Louise L. Romeo the band. Frank B. Jantee. N. T. Nicky L. April R. Randy S. Rachel D.J., Rachel D.J., Rachel D.S., Jennifer R. Tina E. N.G. Tracy. Keith. Heath. Heather and Gregg? Heather and Grether. Heather's better. Heather's better. Yeah. Heather and Grether. Heather's better. Yeah. L.E.K. Elizabeth L. Ben B. Jemman. B.R. C. Sultan of Swat. Ingrid C. Brandon C. Ronit L. We love you guys. Thanks so much for supporting the podcast. And from the Hollywood Hills in Hollywood, California. I'm Michael Rosenbaum. I'm Ryan. A little wave to the camera. Thanks again for listening. And hopefully I'll see you here at the same place, same time. But you can listen to this anywhere and watch it anywhere. But always. begin yourself

football season is here oh man believe has the podcast to enhance your football experience from the pros one of the most interesting quarterback rooms to college Michigan is set at eight and a half wins to fantasy

if you feel that way why didn't you trade them become a better fan and listen to the football podcasts from Believe just search Believe that's BEL EAV podcast. Follow and listen on your favorite platform.