Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - MICHAEL BIEHN Returns! Protecting Yourself As an Actor, Clearing Misconceptions & Insane James Cameron Stories

Episode Date: January 16, 2024

Michael Biehn (Tombstone, Aliens) joins us again this week, as promised - and he does not disappoint! Story on story on story… Michael addresses misconceptions with Tombstone, deadly experiences while filming The Abyss, alternative casting on The Terminator, and so much more that we couldn’t fit in his first appearance. There are great moments where Michael discusses the importance of protecting yourself as an actor, including a positive experience he had collaborating on his upcoming film The Red. We also talk about his run-in with Deniro, his love for Aliens, and suffering from JDD. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🟠 Discover: https://discvr.co/3Cnb1V8 🏈 PrizePicks: https://prizepicks.com/inside 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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viral he is a uh super talented actor and cool cool dude uh tell all sort of um you know doesn't take much shit from a lot of people and uh but he's a big sweetheart he really is he's got a heart of gold and i loved having him on the podcast and now we've got him back it's michael bean i think you know michael bean look him up for god's sakes i don't need to give you his credits they speak for themselves right ryan yeah they really do they really really do i wish i had his career uh let's get inside of my good buddy michael bean it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience.

What I was saying to you is I had not done very many podcasts before, but I had done Adam Corolla's podcast a couple of times years ago. And my son used to produce this show. And I don't ever remember people approaching me on the street going, hey, Adam Carolla, fantastic or whatever but since i've done your show i've had like 30 people 35 40 people just come up to you just come up to me and like i saw you on rose and bomb show man you're that was great awesome you know i love that uh and i'm really surprised you have a much bigger following uh loyal loyal following well i i don't know if yeah i'm sure you know your audience or i'm sure they're loyal but uh yeah it's it was it's been kind of crazy yeah you called me and I was like what you know like people

you know and it's not only that but other actors in the industry colleagues and whatnot they were they were coming up to me saying dude your interview with Michael Bean that's I mean they that's the go-to they keep coming back to that they like you a lot and they liked what's his name um that you liked what was the older guy Robert Patrick yeah I like Robert and it was the same thing it was two guys who were just laying it out there who were real dudes. Yeah. And I think what people got from you, and you could tell me about this, is James Cameron said, you are a monster star and you could be a huge major star, but you didn't want to do a lot of publicity. You didn't like that whole part of the thing. You were about the

work. Is that true? Yeah. And I think I alluded to that. Yeah. You know, there's a skill to being able to do the red carpet and go on the morning shows and do that like 60 second clip. And and all that stuff. And, you know, you go shoot for the magazines and you're on the cover of magazines and they do stories about you. And I was just never that comfortable. I just was never comfortable doing that stuff.

And like I told you last time, my lifestyle was one in which, you know, I didn't, you know, if people were following me around with cameras, they would have gotten quite a show back in the day, you know. Really? You didn't really talk about that. that, did you? Oh, I did. Yeah, of course. I talked about all my boozing. Well, I know about the boozing and stuff, but like on camera, like when people were trying to film me and stuff, were you like

aggressive? No, I was uncomfortable. Well, you know, if Team Z jumped out at me, I could be a little bit aggressive, but, um, no, I was just uncomfortable. I just didn't feel, you know, I'm an actor. And I, this format is different than somebody just coming up, shoving a camera in your face and, you know, asking you about your movie or, you know, about something that's going on. And I just never felt very comfortable doing it. There's a difference between being an actor and a movie star. And some people can do it really well, you know. Tom Hanks does it really well.

And Johnny Depp does it really well. And there's, you know, a lot of people that do it really well. Is it the nerves? It's kind of, yeah, I don't feel comfortable. I just don't feel comfortable. I feel, I love acting. So you've never felt comfortable because someone come up, Mr. Bean, come in an interview with you.

No, no. You're like, no thanks, no. Well, you know, it's not like I, you know, sometimes you have to do press for a movie. You have to, you know, you have to be there to do press. Yeah, what do they call it junkets and whatnot, press junkets. Oh, yeah, I've done plenty of junkets. And those don't make you feel comfortable.

No. I've never felt comfortable doing that. Because you think what? Is it, is it the bullshit? Is it the sort of surfaced, crap. It's just a natural thing. I don't, I don't feel, um, I don't feel like myself, you know, I don't feel like this is, you know, and I feel like I've got to be like, oh, got to promote the movie and, you know, fuck all that shit. And I, I, I, you know, you were asking me before

and I didn't articulate it as well as I could have. I've never thought about being a movie star. My dreams when I came over here were so minor. Who were they? What were your dreams? If somebody had told me that I could have been in a soap opera for 20 years and gotten paid $100,000 a year, I would have sold my soul for it. Really? You just wanted to act. You know, when I forgot my screen actors, Gilcar, when I got my first, like, modeling gig, when I got my first commercials, all of that stuff.

all of that stuff was like oh my god you know i do a photo shoot for some car company and it would be in playboy magazine and i'd run back and show my parents and stuff like that you know just a just a modeling job and i was not a runway model you know i was not really no i was not i was not i think they call it like a print you know print model yeah i could see i i could never i was never i'm not being you know self-deprecating I am but like I was never good looking enough to be a model a print model magazines I never book commercials I never I just I was like an awkward looking kit so if that was presented to me I wonder I wonder what I would have done but if someone like you who just doesn't like that stuff in the beginning when you're modeling and stuff on print

did you feel comfortable doing that yeah why is that because you're playing a I wasn't having to talk to anybody, you know. I wasn't having to, I wasn't promoting anything. Right. I don't know. It was to go stand over there. Smile, smile bigger. Now start laughing, you know.

Pay me. Yeah. Well, and of course they did. And at that time, you know, Michael, I was work, I used to work for the May company a lot, which was they used to run ads in the LA Times and I go down there. They were paying me $60 an hour. And I was, this was back in the, you know, mid-seven, early, early, early, like 73, 74, 75.

That was huge money for me. Huge money for me. I do a couple hours, come home with $120, pay my rent. You know, I lived in a little box with three other guys, my brother and another friend from Arizona and a guy that, yeah, yeah. So I've always, you know, Michael, as I said before, I've always had it really good time. I love this business. I love this business.

I love what it's, what's happened. It happened. My career happened like very, very slowly. Incremental. Yeah, but people think of me like, oh, you did the Terminator. Well, when I did the Terminator, you know, I was the most experienced person on that, on that crew, you know. Because you had done all these other little gigs. Yeah, and more than a little gigs.

I had done movies and television shows and a television series that, you know, did. go six years, but I had worked a lot by the time. It's amazing how much experience you get when you're doing a TV show. If you pay attention, you have everything right there that you need to prepare you for the big thing, if that happens. Stan Winston talks about reading the Terminator script and going, oh, my God, I got to do this, I've got to do this. Because they originally wanted Dick Smith, who I'd worked with on the fan.

See, I'd already done the fan. I'd already work with Lauren Bacall, Robert Stigwood, Hector Alizando, Griffin Dunn was in that. Were you starstruck at all with Lauren Bacall? Yeah, I was a little starstruck, but... Was she nice? No. She wasn't nice.

No, she's a very... I think she was a very unhappy person. Was she nice to you? No. And how'd you deal with that? I was young. I didn't... Care as much.

I didn't, you know... No, I, you know, I'm an actor. I don't, you know, I don't need her. being friendly with me. You don't need anybody being friendly. We talked about that with Val Kilmer and all these other guys in Tombstone. You're like, I don't give a fuck.

You don't want to talk to me. Let's do this part. Let's do it. But, you know, listen, I have a, you know, I had a great time not only with the other actresses, with Powers and with Stephen Lang and with John Corbett and all the guys that were cowboys. You know, I had a great time.

It wasn't like, okay, we're just going to do this and fuck the move. You know, we were, we, we had a really good time. Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer, they kind of hooked up. Sexually? I never asked. I never wanted to know. Yeah, I don't think that happened. Goldie was around.

Her children were around. Their children were around. They were little, not toddlers, but preteens, that kind of thing at the time. What was I talking about? Why do you have to try and ask? I like, because my mind goes all these places. Well, you were talking about Lauren McCall. You had the experience.

you were you were prepared so when you did this movie you know when you did Terminator yeah when I did Terminator I had I had done a lot of work and Jim had done the Piranha movie and had been fired off of that some great stories about Jim Cameron over there recut it he he used to go into he got fired off Parano yeah and he didn't know that yeah he and he was I think it was a some Italian company and so after he shot the movie, the Italian guys just thought, okay, we'll take it and we'll cut it together. And he used to sneak into the cutting room at night,

and he used to, like, recut what they cut. So they'd show up the next morning, and they'd be like, what, you know, like, and so he kept sneaking in and recut every day. How do you do that? Well, he brought, yeah, he asked Jim Cameron, but that's, that for sure is a story that's out there and that, uh, uh, uh, Lance Hendrickson told me he was working with Lance Hendrickson. And Jim will tell you, too, that he was in there.

And that's pretty crazy. So he gets fired off this movie. Yes. He's trying to re-edit. And then they give him Terminator 2. They didn't give him Terminator 2. He wrote Terminator 2. Okay.

Nobody gave Jim anything. So they didn't want him to direct it? Well, he was working for Roger Corman's company. And he wrote a, you know, he wrote this script. and Hemdale, John Daly, and I forget the name of the other guy. And they took it out to all the studios. Nobody wanted anything to do with it.

And they took it to Orion. And the guy named Mike Medivoy was running the company at the time. And he's got his son now that I think is still in the business as a manager or agent or something. So he shopped it around in Orion? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody, Orion was the only company that was interested in doing it. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money, period.

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And, you know, he, he, and so he was a star, but he was not somebody that I, as a young actor, you know, I was like watching De Niro and Pacino and Dustin Hoffman and Warren Beatty and Jack Lemon. Those were your guys. Well, yeah, I mean, that's what you looked up to you, aspired to be. Yeah, especially De Niro, you know, taxi driver changed my life. Tax, the movie Taxi Driver turned me into a. a different turn me into i want to be like that guy i want to be like just because of the raw it's it's a brilliant movie yeah it's it's the best of the best as far as i scorsese you go he didn't

win the academy award for that but he it uh the score the the jody foster yeah but de nero in it is just stunningly brilliant were you intimidated by his performance or like no i want to do that No, I want to do that. I wasn't intimidated by, I know, I really don't get intimidated by anybody. There's not one actor that you go, God, man, I can't do what he does. Oh, there's a lot of actors that I can't do what they do, but if I'm, I never claimed to do that. So, you know, I'm not intimidated. I'm just like, okay, well, I'm me, so I can do this.

And that's, you know, that's what I do. So I met De Niro once because you used to stay at the Mayflower Hotel in New York City, which is no longer there. And I was there with my wife at the time, or girlfriend, wife, my first wife, and where I was at a restaurant, and I was sitting there. And I was like, fucking Robert De Niro's, oh, my God, it's Robert De Niro. Honey, it's Robert De Niro sitting over there, you know. And I was like, you know, and De Niro looks up. And he looks over at my table. He looks over at me, and he goes, like this, come on. Come on. Come on over here. What? It's like, what? I said, I said, had you done anything at this point? Yeah, I was doing the fan.

Okay. I was shooting the fan at the time. And he stayed, I think he had like a permanent place at the Mayflower Hotel. And I was staying at the Mayflower Hotel. And, and, but I hadn't seen him around the hotel. Come over here. That's exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very good.

Yeah, very good. And I was like, oh, my God. You know, what, you know, what could he possibly say to you? Or what could he possibly say to me? I went over there and he was with like a little, a little group and two or three guys. And he said, that girl you were. I can't, I can't do, I can't do impressions. What's that girl you were?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that your sister, he says? I'm like, no, Bobby. No, no, I said, no, Mr. Dunaire, that's my wife. And, oh, okay. I get the fuck back to the table. Exactly. That was my experience.

And then my wife ended up setting him up with one of her girlfriends, and he went out with one of her girlfriends who was from New York, and that didn't go very well. But you didn't hang out with him after that, really, no. No, I've never seen him again. Let me ask you this. When Orion, is it Orion or Orion? Yeah, Orion.

When Orion bought Terminator, when they're casting, was it like, was there a, like, did James want you? No, I went in along with probably a lot of other people. I think originally he wanted Sting because he thought Sting had this kind of unearthly quality about him. And I think he met with Sting. And I think Sting basically said, yeah, I just watched Perrona, too. I think I'll take a pass on this then, you know. Something along those lines.

I'm not sure how serious Jim was about him. I've never heard any other name associated. with Kyle Reese. Right. But, you know, I was doing it. I was actually rehearsing for a play for a guy named Jose Quintero back in the day. It was cat on a hot tin roof. And I was not rehearsing.

I was auditioning, but I auditioned with like a number of different women. And I was there for six or seven hours auditioning. And then I went and auditioned for Jim. And Gail Hurd. And Gail Hurd doesn't really get the recognition that I. I think that she deserves because it's, you know, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Camer, Jim Cameron, but she produced Terminator, Aliens and The Abyss. You love The Abyss. I love The Abyss.

Well, the Abyss is the Abyss. I think Jim has described the abyss. You know, the first two acts are extraordinary. Well, what happens in that movie is the brilliant scene where Mary Elizabeth and Master Antonio and Ed Harris are trying to decide the water's rising on them. They're trying to say, you wear the helmet. No, I'll wear, you wear the helmet, you wear the helmet, the water's rising up. They finally decide he's going to wear the helmet, pull her underwater, and then they're going to bring her back to life, which they did. And he's on top of her. Wake up, you bitch, and he's slapping her and all the that his group is around him. And it's a tremendous film. I mean, a tremendous

scene and it it it brings the audience and all the characters to a place emotionally that he that Jim never achieves with the rest of the movie so the emotional high for the characters and the emotional high for the the audience happens then peaks at that now does he admit to that Has he said that? Yes, I've heard him say that. There's a, but this is not even going to be like the old abyss. He, when he was shooting the abyss, he brought me in, and he showed me, he had two endings. He had one that was three hours long, and he had one that was a truncated sort of, you know,

version of what the studio wanted him to release, and that's what he released. And this is going to be longer, and it's going to have. More depth? Well, I don't, you know, I don't, I don't know. I kind of saw it in a rough cut and I can't tell you. Have you talked to him at all? No, I haven't talked to Jim in four years. You know, he moved to New Zealand.

He's in New Zealand now and he's been there for a while. He was up in Malibu for years and years and years. And the last time I was in his offices, it was when I was doing Mandalorian. Mandalorian and him shoot him the same lot. And you just went to visit him? Yeah, he was editing. And he was like, yeah, come on in. Yeah.

So if you saw him, it'd be like yesterday. Yeah, with Jim Cameron, I'm the same person. Yeah, yeah, of course. And I don't, you know, I don't think Jim Cameron has changed. He's a billionaire now. But he's always been that guy. Every time you see him do an interview and he's talking about some camera lens or some effect that he's done.

can't even understand. Like when that underwater thing that went down to the Titanic imploded. That's what happened to me in the abyss, the exact same, you know, like my characters, one of my best death scenes, I think, is my character's like freaking out and windows crack and that submersible implodes. It doesn't explode. It implodes. And that's what happened to them. And, you know, Jim came out and I heard him talking about that. And Jim was in town a couple weeks ago announcing this uh uh 4k whatever that means yeah high deaf what yeah there's 5k now yeah go back to when you were cast you auditioned for seven hours well no i was auditioning for uh cat an otton roose so it was a lot more material and i was i was working with

different actresses they were mixing and matching us right doing all that kind of stuff so when i went to do the uh auditioned for Jim Cameron, I did an audition. They said, thank you very much. I went back and my agent called me and said, they like you. They like you very much. They like your, but they don't like the fact that you're Southern, that you're, you have this regional sort of Southern accent. I'm like, I'm Southern. I'm from Nebraska. What do you, ah, this is what happened. Yeah, the thing just kind of followed me to the next audition, which you had just rushed to. That's not method. There's nothing.

Methodist like, I don't even know what that was. Stanislauskin. But you were so into it that you probably had a little bit of a draw. Something was left over. So they said, well, bring him back. And, you know, because we like him. I brought him back and I read for him and Gail again. And I got the part.

And then... Did you know you got the part in the room? No. No, that rarely ever had this. He's like, thank you. Thank you very much. You know, not like, thank you. Thank you very much.

You know, I'm like, all right, Michael. You know, I don't remember exactly. but Jim has always been very personal with me. You know, and Gail, too, very professional, very, very personal. Did he give you a lot of direction in that movie? I don't think, I don't remember him. What he does, Michael, he writes a great script. You don't have to, you just, he writes great dialogue.

Come with me if you want to live, you know. He writes great dialogue. And so, uh, if you, if you have great dialogue and you cast an actor that you want to say those words, there's not, I don't, you know, I don't ever remember sitting around discussing character, background, you know, like all that, like, what happened. When you get in there, you know, you know the part. You know, you know, I like to do research. If I'm playing a cop, I like to hang around cops. Navy SEAL. I've hung around a bunch of Navy SEALs for that piece of shit. If the script is good, you should be. Same with Tombstone, you know, they didn't, you know.

It's the bad. Let me say something about Tombstone. All right. Because I get so effing tired of people asking me if Kurt Russell directed the movie, okay? Kurt Russell did not direct the movie, okay? Kurt Russell was responsible for getting the movie off the ground. I never would have played Johnny Ringo if it wasn't for Kurt Russell. And I told you the last time I was here, I love Kurt Russell. And he's a great, great person and a great movie star. He's a movie star who handles it really well, you know.

But he didn't direct the movie. No, it was directed by kind of a committee, you know. We talked about George Cosmodos who came in to replace Kevin Jar. So Kevin Jar shoots five weeks. They throw all that stuff away. And then George Cosmodos takes over, and he's kind of a visual guy. And we shoot for another month or six weeks or something like that. and then they

go into post and when you go into post you know you edit the movie it was edited by a good good editor but I know that Kurt immediately right after that movie

went on to do a movie called Stargate that they made the television series out of right so they did Stargate because I went to visit him on the set like a week after we wrapped the movie and he was already doing Stargate but watch him and if any

anybody watch Kurt Ruslin in Stargate? And he's so grumpy and angry. Is that from Tomb, the residual effect? I, you know, that's the way that I, you know, when I saw the movie, I thought like, I've never seen him so grumpy before. Did you not remember him being grumpy on the set of Tewstone? Oh, he was, no, he was never on. No, no, he's fun. He was like, like I said, he's got a great laugh. He has a lot of fun. But what I was saying to you before is like, him and Val kind of bonded so it was him and Val that they kind of used to hang out too right so you know that that happens on movies but you said he didn't direct it he didn't direct it was directed by committee i mean it was a great so everybody had a hand in like vision and stuff everybody had a hand in it

but you know a lot of the stuff got cut out of the movie uh before we got a chance to shoot it well here it is i'll be able to find it now oh i like the glasses yeah Well, you know, I got, I had some, started having some problems. Well, you're 50, 60 or my eyes. No, but not looking just like pain. And, yeah, I went to my, I went to my doctor, and he sent me to an eye guy. And the guy said, like, he looked at me and did all this test and everything. Oh, you got the Johnny Depp disease.

And I was like, you're too good looking? No, he just said, you got the Johnny Depp disease. You got to wear sungrass glasses the rest of your life. I'm like, oh, oh, do it. Really? Do I have to? He's like, yeah. I, and that's what I, yeah. I don't even know Johnny Depp had a disease where he asked to wear sunglasses all the time. What's it called? I believe so. The Johnny Depp disease. That's what my doctor. The JDDs? It's what my doctor called. I'm going to say I have the Michael Bean disease. I'm going to start wearing fucking sunglasses. You know, you wear sunglasses

at night. So in time you get recognized anymore. If I wear sunglasses at night. He must be a movie star, or he's Corey Hart. I wear my son passes at night. I know that you that you saw the movie a long time ago. But for people who know that movie well, I'm just fucking around about the glasses. That wasn't true? Are you kidding me?

So you don't have a Johnny Depp disease? There's no such thing. Actually, I believed it, didn't you, Ryan? Fuck you. I think he, I think Johnny Depp. Depp does have some sort of disease. I don't call it a disease. You got me, dude, and you got the audience.

It's going to be like all over the papers. He's got the Johnny Depp thing. You fuck? I totally bought that. I think Jack Nicholson had it too, right? Well, I've got some Johnny Depp shit that I contracted back in the 80s. You're a good impressionist. Thanks. So anyway, there were certain things that got cut from the, before we had a chance to shoot

them because when they brought in George Cosmodos, And they threw out all of Kevin's footage, they had to condense 145-page script, which, you know, is two and a half, two hours and 45 minutes down to something that ended up being 90 minutes long. And if you ask Kurt, Kurt back 10 years ago talked about the fact that he kind of had to hollow out his character and to give, you know, a lot of his stuff he had to cut out to make sure that. that the movie worked and that made sense in that time. Well, I made sense to him. I don't really remember it that way. I remember the Cowboys getting the fuck kicked out of them on that cut. It was according to Val Kilmer, it was Val Kilmer and Kurt Russell who edited what scenes

were going to be in the movie and what scenes weren't going to be in the movie. And a guy named John Fosnato or John, something where they came in. He was a director, but he kind of came in to piece it all together. Do you believe that? Do you believe that Val and Kirk kind of dictated that? Oh, they did. No, Val said it. I've seen, Val is, uh, uh, uh, yeah.

So they went in the editing room and, and cut the shit down because it was a bigger fight. They had to. They had to because, uh, it was a, it was a long movie. It was going to be a, you know, a two and a half hour movie at least. I would love to see that. Well, there's nothing there because they cut them, they cut it before we shot it. So it's not like there's a bunch of, you know, Gotcha.

Yeah. It's not like there's a bunch of footage sitting someplace else that they didn't cut. They just didn't shoot it. Inside you is brought to you by Rocket Money. If you want to save money, then listen to me because I use this. Ryan uses this. So many people use Rocket Money. It's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions.

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And one of the, this is a scene that was in the original script that is Ringo. And this is after Curly Bill Brocious. has been killed powers booth has been killed right and so i take over that's kind of like set up earlier god knows what's it's going to happen when johnny wringo takes over this group so i'm taken over and one of the cowboys uh who was at the scene where curly bill is killed was talk talks he's talking about white talk about white erp right right and uh uh like oh my god he was just you know shooting the bullets were missing him and if you know the movie you People will know what I'm talking about.

And people love that movie. And so Ringo says to him, he's just a man. And the cowboy says to me, you didn't see his face. And Ringo says, you see my face, don't you? Everybody, get this through their heads. Wyatt Earp dies. I'm running the show now, and I'm telling you, Earp. dies. His men, too. They all die. Understand? We're going to kill him. You hear me? For what they did to

Curly Bill, we're going to ride him into the ground and slaughter them like rabbits. Because this is my time, children. This is my time to get woolly. I cut that fucker out before I shot it. How pissed were you? I was too busy servicing the Earp Wives. Dude, that was awesome. I would have loved to seen that. Dude, I wanted more of your character. I really did.

I mean, it was like, the thing that sold me was that gun thing, which we talked about in the last one. But it's like, you know, when you do that thing in front of Val and like, you know, and I'm like, oh, this guy's bigger than life, larger than life. And he believes it. He believes that he's larger than life, that he's better than everybody else. Of course. But that, that's best.

badass. I would be like, fuck you. Let me at least do it. You know, when you're an actor and you get a script and you go like, okay, well, this is great scene. This is a great scene. Oh, this is the best scene in the movie. That was the best scene in the movie for Johnny Ringo. I never got to shoot it. Did you learn the lines? No, like I said, I was too busy servicing the Earp-wise to pay much attention to what was going on. Oh, my God. You know what's funny is like in the very beginning of this conversation we're talking about you're like I never wanted to be a movie star you know you got Tom Hanks I loved acting I wanted to act but you know you're the only person that's been that's has said that that I believe I actually believe that you didn't want to fucking believe it

no I do I do believe from the passion the conviction I see I never thought I never dreamt I would be a movie star I never I did what I did you did and a lot of people do a lot of people thinking oh you know I knew I knew by the time I was six what I wanted to do. I wanted to be a move. I just, I was just looking, you know, I was looking to pay my bills always. And, and I ran into Jim Cameron. And I was lucky enough to do a really good audition for Jim Cameron, which led to aliens, which led to the abyss, which then leads to offers on Tombstone. And I did a, but I mentioned the last time I was here. from the time I auditioned for Jim Cameron, the next time I auditioned and got a job

was a movie called Clock Stoppers. And you've had the guy on who directed it. I can't think of his name at the moment. The guy from Star Wars, I mean, that's Star Trek. John. Jonathan Franks directed. He's a good little movie, but he's a great guy, isn't he? Oh, I love him.

Love him. Love him. Love him. I absolutely. But that was the first audition you had in what year was that? That was, that was, there were 17 years between the time that I auditioned for the Terminator and, and the time that I did audition for clockstoppers because my career was going. So it was all for only, though.

Offer only. Yeah, but I did go in for a few things in audition and, and I didn't get. And, uh, so. Did you audition for James Cameron after the first time? No. Never again. Well, you know, I replaced. James Remar on. Yeah, we don't really talk about that, did we? No, but you know, it's out there.

It's out there, but long story short, James Remar kind of flew into England or whatever for the movie and then he got busted for drugs. Yes. And they fired him off the movie. Yes. And they had already been shooting. They've been shooting for about a week and they found drugs in his hotel room and England wanted him out of, out of the country. And I was at home and I was aware of the movie, but, you know, I knew that he was doing it. He was close to Walter Hill because he did the Warriors. And so, and he's a nice guy. I love the Warriors.

So, yeah, I got a call on Thursday or Friday from Gail Hurd. And she said, Michael, we're replacing Remar. Can you come over here and play the role of Hicks? I didn't have to think about that for any longer in about a split second before I, you know, said yes. and I was you know I got on a plane they gave me got got got got me the script I got on a plane I was in the set Monday morning in film Monday morning yeah were you nervous fuck no I'd worked I'd worked I see I'd worked with Jim before first of all Hicks doesn't have that much to say the guy in the Terminator is just like he's got all the

exposition right right who the Terminator is who the uh who she is what her future is who I am you know like I've got all the exposition and James Cameron is smart enough to put all that exposition in at all these car chases and stuff. So it works. But if you look at Hicks, he's sleep half the time. You know, he says a word here and a word there. And I came in and I had already been working with Jim and I had with Gail. And I'd done by that time, I knew Bill Paxton very well.

We talked about Bill Paxon before. And Bill and I were very close back then. And that was right after he met Louise. but we were we we had a great time over there but we were still seeing each other all the time and our careers weren't taking us so you were comfortable already on that set very pretty comfortable yeah was there anyone on that set and sigourney is great too so sigorn and sigourney loved you right she praised your performance i mean you were like that's that's a performance that's so you play it with such ease and like sensitivity and such likeability it's one of those roles that i

I look and I'm like, I love this guy. I want to be this guy. This guy's the fucking coolest. And, and, you know, watching that, do you, when's the last time? Are you one that watches the movies you're in, maybe after? Do you watch them later on, years later? You do. When's the last time you saw aliens?

Oh, I haven't, I've seen parts of aliens probably in the last six months, but I've seen aliens, aliens the best movie I've ever been in, without a doubt. Aliens is the best movie. Did you think it would be? Well, we had high hopes because Jim had done The Terminator and the sets were incredible. And you know a good script when you see one. So yes, did we have high hopes? We had like, yeah, very high hopes.

But you never know. There's a great book called The Devil's Candy about making Bonfire the Vanities and how they thought they had something so special back then and Bruce Willis and they fired Morgan Freeman off of it. that's how great they thought this thing was, and they thought it was great, you know, but everybody's invested in it, you know, the actors are invested, the directors invested, the crew's invested, the producers are invested, the studios invested. So everybody's, you know, invested in it. And they all thought they had the best movie, you know, going, Academy Awards right down the line.

And it came out, people hated it. It's terrible, and it's a great book called Dirty Candy. So you never really know if a movie is going to be successful until you put it in front of an audience. Last time I was here, I told you that I had done a couple shows last year. One was in Australia and one was in Thailand. And the one I did in Australia, I described it as a monster movie. Okay. And I, about a year and a half ago, I got a call and I got an offer for a job. And it was, you know, a decent enough offer that I needed to read it.

And so read enough of it to know whether it was going to be any good or not. It had a really funky title. It was called Zamboroo. Zamboroo. I haven't feeling zombies are in this movie? Yeah. Okay. I'm smart.

And Zambaru shot in Australia. Kangaroo and zombies? There you go. Okay. So I looked at the title. I was like, oh, fuck this shit. Shark Nato, you know, blah, blah. Zambaru.

Yeah. Ridiculous, right? So I started reading the script, and I fucking sat down. I read the script in one sitting. I'm like, this script has got good structure. This script. And the character I liked. The character I liked a lot.

The whole thing needed some work. But I thought like, well, it's kind of good. So I read it again, and I read it again, and I thought like, it's a good script. So I told them I was interested. I started getting into contact with the filmmaker, Ryan and his partner, Richard, and Judd was the producer. And we, you know, we started working on the script. We started working on the script, and I'm good at that. I'm very, very, very good at it.

filmmakers make scenes better, make characters better, make things make more sense, bullshit meter, you know, like that doesn't work, this doesn't make sense. And they, here's the thing, and this is what,

here's the thing, is Richard and Ryan, who were partners and they wrote the script together, they listened to me. They didn't hold on to their script like it was gold or something. They do that. They do. They do. Fuck this guy. I don't deal with it.

Yes. That's what happened to me in Thailand. They told me in Thailand, oh, well, we're very interested in being collaborative as far as the script. And they weren't. I went over there and they, you know, they just weren't. But these guys did. These guys did. And so they listened to me a lot. So I was really able to create the character that I, and it was, like I said, it was a pretty good script. And first of all, I said, you've got to change the title. I mean, unless you want to do Sharks, NATO, you know, you can't call it Zambaru. Did they? That's ridiculous. Yeah. It's called the red, which is a much better.

It's about, well, the red is the biggest kangaroo in Australia. Ficious. They get to be about six, seven feet, five or six feet anyway. Right. And you know, kangaroos, if you Google nasty looking kangaroos, just ones that aren't even in movies, they're fucking some nasty looking kangaroos and stare right at you. They're all buff. They're all, they look like they've been to live.

and waits. I think they get chlamydia, or is that koalas? Coalas, yeah. That's koalas. Anyway. But they, so anyway, we, you know, we started talking about it. And they, they, they, they were going to shoot it in all location in Australia. They put an Australian crew together in a cast. And there's some like torrential rains hit it, you know, and it got pushed back. And I was in Australia at that point. That's where I went to go do the thing in Thailand. I went to do the thing in Thailand and I came back to do this and um but you know I think they lost a lot of their but a lot of the budget was lost because you know these these rains hit and they had it all cast and everything and then they had to turn around and recast it and um so anyway

you finished the movie yeah yeah we did the movie but Michael it it it was so by the time that we were shooting it, the budget was so small. I mean, this is a monster where you could have spent $20 million on it, okay? The budget was minuscule. I mean, minuscule. There are times that you would look at the lunch table, you know, at night. We shoot a lot at nights, and there would be the director, his partner, Richard, the writer, talking to him about shots. They needed to get a DP, his name is bland. I think of

his first name and I called well I started calling him blonde I thought his name was blonde and then I started

calling him blondie and then I was started to sort of blonde you know from the Clint Eastwood

movies but there's only a few people at watch yeah like seven and you're

used to I mean you've done huge no listen listen when I did I did earlier

this year before the writers went out I did a law and order and worked with Maloney, Christopher Maloney. He's awesome, by the way. What a horse he is. What a, what a, you know, he has that 40, 40 teamsters on that show. Okay.

40 teamsters are working on that show. We had like, you know, we had the guy, the DP shot at himself, and it was just him. No gaffer? Maybe a little lighting. Kind of, yeah. But not a lot of crew. Skeleton crew. No, no, it doesn't seem like there were any lights out there.

They would just hold up screens. And it wasn't frustrating you? No, man, I had a great character. I, you know, it was like, it was a great, fun character. Crazy. Crazier in a fucking loon. But, you know, I'm good at crazy. But usually the crazy people that I play are, they're bad also.

Right. They want to kill somebody or they want to, you know, Johnny Ringo, the guy played the fan. Like all of those, every bad guy I've ever played, it's a psychopath. This guy's like a Vietnam vet who's just like fucking lost it. But he's crazy in a fun kind of way. And he's the one who originally knows what's going on with this creature and comes running into town. Oh, my God, I've seen it. I've seen it.

You know, we're all in mortal danger. And they're like, oh, it's Schmitty. The character's name is Shmitty. Oh, it's Shmitty again. You know, like, okay, Schmiddy, you saw a big kangaroo and blah, blah, blah, you know. Thank you very much. Sorry, buddy. Yeah, exactly.

And then somebody else gets killed. No, then somebody, two minors get killed. And then a young boy gets killed. Well, don't give the whole thing away. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not.

I'm not. But here's the thing about it, Michael, that I learned because I'm a producer on the show on it. And, you know, I saw the rough cut, and, you know, I felt pretty good about the rough cut. But rough cuts are hard to watch because it doesn't have the music. It doesn't have the sound design. It doesn't. Yeah, they're really, very, very hard to watch. So anyway, they sent me the movie a couple of days ago.

And it's unbelievable how good a little tiny, movie it can be and I don't mean tiny like it shot in one room it shot in Australia we shot it in the bush you know at a low budgeted movie way in the middle of nowhere yeah dude it's a really low budget movie and the crew never seemed to be more than about 10 people and but they surrounded me with three or three or four really really good actors and actresses and actors and actresses no good scripts when they see them and they you know and that's why they're in it you know there's a the there's a woman who's the star of it is kind of has to take and i think her last name is pronounced harbaugh uh tess is her name and she's really really good in it very very good it when does it come out

it looks great um they are uh right now they are uh they we what you know festivals no we we No, we're talking to a company called Shutter, which is... I love Shutter. I own Shutter. Okay. I watch all my horror movies there. All right. Well, they're negotiated. Why don't we do a screening at my house?

Well, okay. You know. Dude, I love that shit. Yeah. Well, you'll love it. You got to let me know. I'll love it. Ontario, the wait is over.

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Follow and listen on your favorite podcast platform. It looks great. This camera guy, Blondeh! This, Chris Bland is his name. It is unbelievable what he did. They shot it with one camera. It's a monster movie. Oh, it does not look.

There's not one shot in it that looks low budget. It's well-acted. That's just unbelievable. It's got a good soundtrack. It's well-edited. And it's short because these days you don't need to make a, you know, because of the streaming services, you can make an 88-minute movie. Oh, yeah.

70. Yeah, well, you can. I think this is 88. But you're critical. You seem like the kind of. a guy that if it was a piece of shit, you'd be like, it's a piece of shit. Don't see it. I wouldn't even, I wouldn't be talking. You to know, I'm promoting this. Because you really like this. I like it. And I like it. And it's people don't realize when they're going to see a movie that some are made

for a million and some are made for a hundred million. Yeah. And usually they suck. Uh, well, no hard. Uh, I think the, uh, the adventures had problems this weekend, this past weekend. Yeah. And one of the things that, uh, I've showed it to a couple friends of mine that, that, that kind of like about is there's there's some cg i because the monster's cg i but you can tell we're in the bush we're out there we're sweating it's dirty it's you know um and um so i don't you know i don't you know i don't want to talk it up too much like i said the budget on it is very very very minimal you know that's it's funny because my friend bill who's helping me out today who's one of my good friends he wrote this awesome movie uh let them die

And it's a great script. And he's, I've seen some of his like short films. It's amazing. And I'm like, and we want to make this thing. And it's a movie like that, that's just, we could do this low budget and really make this movie great. And I believe in him. And so it's one of those things where you believe in a young filmmaker that

didn't have a lot of money, but you saw something in there. You worked on the script. It was collaborative. They allowed you to, it was. malleable yes and ultimately you not only had a great time and a great working relationship but you like the movie as well yes that's that's a rare thing it is but i commend you for like taking these guys under your wing in a way and like using your expertise and your talent and your like notoriety or whatever i couldn't have done it if they wouldn't let me do it and most people it's ego ego no

i know what i'm doing yes i'm not going to like right if you want oh you've only been doing this for 50 years you know, I don't think that you know what you're talking. You know, it's what I had. The other one I did in Thailand, it's just like, yeah, we're not interested in what you have to say about. Yeah, you're not promoting that. Oh, I haven't seen it. Okay, wait, you see.

Let me ask you this. And listen, when I do a show like that, I'm still committed. But I'm protecting myself. And I'm not going to say any stupid shit. No. You know, I'm not, you want me to say, you know, like I'll protect myself. I'll be good in it. I'll be good in it.

Yeah, that's the key. And hopefully, hopefully you guys go with the rest of it the way you thought it was so, you know, cherry, you know, when you were telling me, uh, uh, uh, go fuck myself with my suggestions. You know, I want to ask you one story that I heard, and maybe it's told a million times, but I don't think Ryan's heard it. So let's do it for quiet Ryan who's here to your left. Quiet Ryan. He's always over there. He doesn't look interested. I know you're making notes. He's interested. Are you interested, Ryan? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He is. He doesn't have a microphone. It doesn't have a microphone when I watched a podcast back and I was making sure I didn't say the same thing. He just always over there, never looking at me, just always just fucking like he's not part of it, you know? Oh, he is. You need to get him a mic.

Well, I normally do. We have this weird setup. So we have to get a mic, Ryan. We have to figure this out. Today, we're going to figure it out, maybe. Is this the one that you asked how his therapy was going? Last time I was here in your therapy and everything. How's your therapy going? I don't fucking go. I don't, I don't, I've been doing. I don't. I've been doing. I've been to so many therapy. You know, my son, my wife and I were in Bisbee about a month ago, and she said, we're having dinner at some restaurant.

She said, you're ADHD, adult ADHD, you know, I'm like, I'm not. Are you, I'm not. I've been to, you know, 10 psychiatrists. I've been to, like, 30 therapists. I've been to, like, doctors and AA meetings and, like, nobody's ever said I'm ADHD. They ever say you were bipolar or anything? Nothing. No. So they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they've had some manic, uh, man. I said, mannick episodes. Yeah, good, but they were fun. They were, well, they're fun. When you hit low? I don't, I don't know, they, they, they're in France, the George Sank. I don't know, if you know, they're just spending money. I went over there, made, did something for a hundred thousand. By the time I left the George Sank was all gone.

Jesus. When was that? I don't know. You can look it up on my, I don't know. You can look it up on my, IMDB page 25. Oh, it's when, you know, 25 years ago was married to Gina. I don't think I don't remember. Anyway, let's go back to the abyss. I heard the story that Ed Harris almost died because he ran out of oxygen when he was swimming to one of those tanks or something. There was no oxygen and he barely made it. Is that true? I don't know. You never heard about that. I've heard Ed tell it. Well, when I say I don't know, Ed, you can go online and listen to Ed talk about exactly what happened to him and I think more than anything else there was a mix up underwater and a safety diver got to him and didn't put the octopus in right into his mouth and

he sucked up some and it happened to Jim Cameron too there was a time when we were shooting with a 30-foot tank and we're at the bottom and we don't we you know we're not in scuba gear we got these masks on we got weights on our feet and it's kind of like you know you're walking along. It's kind of like being on the moon. You can kind of bounce around and it was fun. I really enjoyed that movie. I had a great time. The only time, the only thing that I didn't like about was I wasn't always on the set. Right. You know, because I was playing the bad guy. So it was a lot of the others. But what about the boots? Stay with the boots. Oh, yeah. So, so anyway, we're, so we're working and, you know, they have lights underwater, however they figure

that out. You know, we're working and we've been doing it for weeks and weeks and working underwater and doing different stuff. And it's a huge tank, millions and millions and millions of gallons of water. And they put these beads on the top because the light was coming through. And Jim wanted to be able to light it properly. So they put all these little tiny beads and it was all black on top. So no light would come in. And we're down there.

And we had an underwater oxygen tank that you just plug into and you fill up your oxygen and you know you're off and you're wandering around and until your shots ready you're bouncing around you know i used to you know i told you i was a wake and big guy for 40 years or whatever you know and i i had a blast i had a great time especially doing the underwater stuff but nothing happened so what happened was like all the sudden it just everything went black like all they lost all power uh oh god two and there were four four three three of four actors under there, the entire crew, but they all have scuba gear on. They have scoop. They could just, you know, they can't. No, no. And it, it went from like me talking to you to you,

like closing your eyes. I mean, that's scary. It was, it was weird, weird. I mean, I have oxygen, but the first, your first thought is, well, how much, how much oxygen did I have, you know? And then as time goes by, it's like, it's dark. I don't know where we are. I don't know how much oxygen I have What the F is going on So did you hear anything? No, of course not Underwater, no

I thought maybe they had like little No They did well Jim could talk to us But no nobody was communicating How long were you there? I was we were there for probably about Two minutes Which seemed like eternity

It seemed like a long time And then I thought to myself Michael you have a practical light on you And a practical light is one that your character would use in a movie. They call it a practical light, right? So I'm like, oh, my God, I've got my flashlight deal. So I pull that out. I turned that on.

And people started just coming towards me, you know, because I was the only light underneath there after two minutes of people going, what the fuck? The safety diaries. So who came to you? All the actors? Everybody. Everybody who was down there came.

They didn't have one? Nobody had one, except for my personal. practical light. And then Jim kind of rounded us all out. And with hand signals and stuff said like, you know, follow me. We're going to go out this way. And so like Jim Cameron to the rescue, as always, he was the man. I mean, if you're ever in a foxhole, you want to be in a foxhole with that guy. And, you know, nobody was expecting it. And it was scary. It was scary. but um uh you know as as jim was leading the group and we're all we all held each other we were all like lined up holding each other and jim was you know he knew you know geographically where he

was and how to get out and uh by the time you know 30 or 40 seconds of doing that all of a sudden everything all the lights came back on again so that was that was this scary experience for me that That is crazy. You know, Ed had an experience where I think he sucked up some water. Right. But what Ed Harris, who is, by the way, he was, he's kind of a real man's man kind of a guy. He, you know, I'd go out running. He'd be hitting a speed, you know, he'd be hitting a bag, you know.

I'd drive in in my Mercedes. He'd drive in in his truck. I'd be smoking Marlboro lights. He'd be smoking camels without a filter, you know. He was that guy, and he's a great actor and a wonderful guy. And I think that from what I've seen online or heard online is that all I've watched him talk about is he was disappointed in his own reaction to like a near-death experience. He was disappointed in himself the way that his brain went, oh, fuck, I'm going to die. die or whatever.

I'm not sure. I don't want to put words in his mouth. And that more than anything else. You know, Jim Cameron has got an incredible record. When you think about the movies that he's done in water, the Terminator, all the fighting, all the car chases, all the shooting, all the effects, all the things. Everything blowing up and aliens, things are blowing up fire always all over the place. I don't, nobody's ever been heard on a Jim Carrey. Here's another story, I'll tell you quickly, and then you can edit what you want to edit.

Okay, so Jim is, I'm working, I believe I was working on The Terminator with him at some point in The Terminator. And he's working on the set, and I noticed a difference about him. I noticed that he wasn't his, he wasn't himself. And he seemed a little bit distant as compared to the Jim Carerman who's in your face going, I want this and I want that. You got it? You got it? Okay, let's roll.

Is everybody ready? All right, let's roll. You know. There's something that seemed a little odd about him. And at one point, it was in the morning, I think. At one point in the morning, I pulled him on, I said, Jim, are you okay? Are you all right? You seem.

He goes, I'm okay. I said, are you sure? And he said, well, you know, Michael, I wrote a script for, you know, what's the Stallone movie where he's out in the woods Rambo? Rambo. He wrote Rambo too. And, you know, I wrote a scene and I just heard this morning or last night that a stuntman was killed doing that scene that I wrote. And I said, Jim, like what

you know you can't blame yourself for that but but he felt it he felt it and so people that think jim cameron is just this like filmmaking you know like you know he's a he he's a compassionate caring person sometimes doesn't have time to show it but that's a perfect example of a thing that he was taking um he was taking it on himself and i said to him like and and had to say, Jim, like, you can't blame yourself for that. I'm not sure that that helped the situation. But he felt it. Well, he, he felt what happened to him and it affected the way that he was, not performing,

but the way that he was working the next day. And I saw it, I knew him well enough at the time that I, next time I come back, I'll tell you the story about what happened on. aliens and how I got paid more for them to use my, they tried to use my image without my permission, David Fincher, who basically says nobody hates that movie more than me, but they tried to use my image without my permission. And it was a whole big deal. They ended up paying me as much as I made for the movie to use a picture of me to kill me off. Good for you. Well, there's, and there's a whole story behind it. Well, we're going to save it. Okay, man. This has been

awesome. Do you have fun? I always have fun. Dude, it's so good. Brian, do you have fun? It is. Yeah. All right. I get him a microphone. Yeah. Thanks, Mike. Yeah, you're welcome.

You know, he was worried. He was like, I don't know, man. I know if it's going to be as good. They just had me on there. You know, I was just on your podcast. I go, well, it'll be a year. Yeah, you think people want to listen. I'm like, yeah, they do.

So he came on. And I think he's, I think this is great. I think people are going to love this one because he's just so likable. And his stories are so freaking good, man. Thank you, Michael Bean. tree. Thank you, Michael Beannis. Thank you, Michael being there, done that.

I always said, been there, done that. Anyway, thanks. It was awesome. And thanks for supporting the podcast. Guys, this is a real treat. Again, if you want to give back to the podcast, you can go to patreon.com slash inside of you and join Patreon and get back and really help the podcast. And I'll try to write you a little note.

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Any new shows you've been watching? New shows? Anything? I've been watching the Pacific. I know it's dated. Oh, that's an old one. I know, but I hadn't seen it, and it's pretty good. Yeah, that's the...

You know, it's not as like engaging with, like, the characters that you really like. Sometimes I don't really recognize, like, who I'm following, and it's a little bit all over. But it's cool. Uh-huh. I just rewatched the good place. I love the good place. Yeah. I don't know if that's for you, though.

No, that's probably not for me. You know, I watched an episode and I thought they were both charming as hell as cool. Just not my kind of show. But it's a good show. I'm sure it's a good show. I'm just really critical and I hate that about myself. I'm too critical. But if I wasn't critical, then I'd probably just like, oh, my gosh, NCI Albuquerque was

unbelievable last night. There's one in Sydney now. Do you know that? There's not one in Albuquerque, though, is there? Uh, no. Thank God. I just let him want him in Sydney. Well, NCI, well, it's naval base, so I don't think Albuquerque would do well with a naval show.

It's a naval show? NCIS. I don't know that. That's what it stands for. What? Navy CIS. Navy Corporation Intelligence? It's a Navy intelligence.

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