Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Morena Baccarin

Episode Date: January 14, 2020

Morena Baccarin (Deadpool, Gotham) joins us this week to talk about her rise in this industry and how she handles her delicate relationships with estranged family and ex-partners. Morena opens up on the idea of being ‘present’ and discusses her realization of not wanting to be ‘as cool of a person’ that she was portraying to other people. We talk about what it’s like having the never ending responsibility of children, her experience working on Deadpool and Gotham, and her desire to become the next James Bond. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You know, it's been a little stressful, but I'm taking things in stride more this year. I think, you know, I was having anxiety a little bit like this morning in bed thinking of all these things. And I said, stop. I just couldn't deal with it right then. So it's like, if you can't control it, you can't just get, fuck off. Shelve it, man. Shelve it. And I tend to do that.

And it's like, that was the old me. And I was like, no, you're not going to freak out. You know what? You're going to go for a walk. You're going to get up, drink some water. You're going to meditate. you're going to go for a walk and I feel better it's just logic it's science it's just like get your body going get your brain turned off a little get distracted do you think you get distracted a lot

in what way I mean you you know you have a lot on your plate like you know if I look at things in perspective Ryan you know you're a guy who's very talented who's very funny and keep going well I will but like you know things happen at different times for people yeah you know what I mean Like, I can picture you as a huge successful story, you know, having your own show, doing whatever. You keep going until something just clicks. It's like the universe, right? Yeah. So you work your ass off and you're like, I'm sure you sit there sometimes.

You're like going, all right, when am I, when is this going to, you know, one of these folks going to be more appreciative? When am I, when is this going to turn into some gold? When is this going to, so you keep all these plates spinning? No, for sure, yeah. So is that, how do you deal with that? How do you deal with like stress and going, okay, because, you know, you're not a millionaire or. you're not you're like you know you well wouldn't that be fun if i was a secret millionaire engineer the millionaire engineer no yeah no i got a lot of plates spinning right now this is one of

many things that i'm doing and uh yeah it kind of feels like a lot of the times it just sort of feels like i don't know if you ever had a drill like this did you ever play football yep uh like when you know those drills were like you're just supposed to run through a bunch of guys and they're sort of hitting you with like the little little bags yeah it just sort of feels like it's just the constant stream with that and like every every now and again you get like a little you know you hit a little uh clear patch but then like some someone comes out of nowhere and just like hits you. It's like a gentle little nudge, but it's enough to knock you off your feet and go like, fuck, when is this going to stop?

It's like you're just working hard, working hard. And then you're like, okay, is this necessary? Yeah. Is this necessary to keep getting hit like this? I was on a roll. I deserve not to get hit today. God damn. We all get hit.

But it's like, you know, I think for me, it's like, oh, you know, I love, you know, I love my friends and everything. But like, I have a lot of talented friends and you're one of them. I'm like, you know, I know this is just like, hey, I wish this would just blow up and be a huge success. And, you know, we could do bigger and bigger things. and I could pay you more and I could do these things. But it's like, you know, you do a lot of things until one thing really hits, but you hope it's something that you're really passionate about. Yeah, I can only hope.

But until then. Yeah. You just keep going. Yeah. I mean, I'm getting used to the hustle. It's been a weird last half a year, but I'm starting to get used to the, you know, just like sort of like balancing everything. Do you ever just say Calgon, take me away?

Who's that? Say you're too young. No. It was an old commercial. It was like, Calgon, take me away. And she'd just pop into a bubble bath. Was this not like a Skinnamax movie? It was watching?

It was bubble bath and stuff. Anyway, I know it's going to happen for you. And I know, look, it doesn't matter. In a sense, you're happy. You're doing your things. You're loving them. You're good at them. You're doing a lot of fun, interesting things.

And I just, and I envy that. You're probably a lot happier than I am. So, this is fun, man. I like this. Well, I love that you're doing it. And I just like, I hope, God, I hope it doesn't leave me, abandonment issues. But, you know, so far, you know, we had the top 13. I hope you enjoyed that.

We had never done something like that. And I got a lot of people, even my buddy Anson Mound, who's a celebrity, you know, Star Trek. And we did a movie together. He's like, oh, dude,

I love the top 13. That was fun. And I think, unless he was being sarcastic because he wasn't on the top 13. But I love Anson and he's very interesting. We have a lot of great guests. I know I say this every year,

or last year was really my first movie doing this year and Happily. I think this next guest is our 95th guest, I believe. I could be wrong. No one's been keeping track except, you know,

some really loyal fans that I, I read their messages, but that's a lot of people. And we've, you know, I'm sure some guests, you're like, uh, I don't really want to hear from them. But I encourage you to, one, because it helps the show. Two, because I think you learn something no matter who I interview. And three, learn something about them. And sometimes guests surprise you.

And you're like, well, I didn't know anything about them. And I found them interesting. And I read that a lot. I read that in the comments. I read that in the letters. I read that for my friends. And even guests, like, I'm like, fuck, I don't know who these people. I don't know.

I just had a guest done that we just interviewed. reviewed now, which I won't talk about, but I was like, it was like, whoa, there was crying and there was like emotion and just, I think everybody will relate to it. I'm like, even if somebody doesn't like this band, it doesn't matter. So I encourage you to, again, get people to subscribe and write reviews for Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. And it doesn't go and notice. I want to thank my patrons if you haven't joined Patreon. And if you want to, you can. I still thank you for anything you've done, but the patrons have gone above and beyond. And, um, you know, they subscribe to the show and they get extra material and Q&A's with me and they get to ask the guest questions. And it's just really

cool and it's almost like, uh, a little relationship thing that we have. And it's something special. I always said, if I get enough patrons, I'm going to do a big karaoke party. So I did say that. Also, hey guys, uh, knocking point wines, uh, Stephen and Mel's company, Tom Willie and I did, another series of bottles of wine that we did tastings and this year I'm the pure. He's the evil. It's pure evil. Go to knocking point wines.com. You can use my code pure and take an additional $10 off.

knocking point wines.com slash tastemakers dash club. I think it's called. Anyway, do that if you dig the wine. What else? I got Portland on January 23rd and 24th, Tom Wellington and I will be in Portland. If you guys are near there. and we're going to do a smallville night's improv show and be signing and stuff and that's fun we're also going to mexico and march which is really cool and i think i'm going australia and june and a lot of cons coming up but i'm excited really about mexico and portland mexico i've been but i didn't realize we had this many fans in mexico but like some days are sold out i'm like whoa man this is cool so i had to do this little interview this little video ryan and i was like you know saying hello to the mexican well i don't speak a lot of spanish but i said hola

biennitos miamo is Michael Rosenbaum But I go Myamo is Lex Luthor And I did a little video like that So that was fun What else

And it's just miamo You know Is it? Yeah, you don't say Miamo S That's one thing I do know So I thought it was my name is Meamo is

You can just say Myamo Michael Mayamo Miguel Well your last name's Teas It's Teas But that is literally The only thing I know about Spanish Really?

I wish I knew more I should Yeah We didn't speak it in the house Really? Really? My dad doesn't speak Spanish. Your mom? My mom's English.

Oh, well, then why would you? So are we. I mean, you mean English from another. Like Great British English. Yeah. Great show today. I've known her for a long time. She was a lead in the movie back in the day that I directed.

We have fun talking about that briefly. Homeland, come on. She's been nominated for a lot of things. She is in Deadpool 1, Deadpool 2, Gotham V. She's stunning inside and out. She has a heart of gold. It was really fun hanging out with her. And she just,

she brightens my day. She's just a beautiful person. And she's got a great story. And she talks about things like divorce. And she talks about things like, you know, how do you deal with that? And how do you,

there's a certain maturity that goes into dealing with, you know, exes and life and doing things for the children, which a lot of people don't always do when the children suffer. And I don't know, she's got a good head on her shoulders. And she's got a pretty neat perspective.

I loved having her, didn't you, Ryan? Yeah, she was great. What did you love mostly about her? How she said squirrel? Yeah, the Portuguese was fun. Do you remember the word? It was like Ski-Lo. It was like the rapper, right?

Skilo. And she said it. How did you say that? You'll hear all of this. It's pretty amazing. Again, I encourage you guys to go to Inside of You pod on Twitter and Instagram and all that and follow us and retweet it and subscribe and all that stuff. And thank you for the support and the love.

At the very end of the interview, of course, I'm going to do the little outro, say a few things, make a few special shoutouts. And have a little chat with you. So you can stick around if you want. And much love. Let's get inside of Marina Baccarin. It's my point of you. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum.

not recorded in front of a live studio audience you got off a plane you're one of those people that you get you know this though tell me more i mean your name it never sucks to hear that you think by the way you think your name marina would have meant something like beauty natural beauty but it does it means brunette just brunette that's kind of boring right i know but i want to name her something like brunette do you know how i got my name my mom Brazilian yeah she was She was a famous actress when I was born in Brazil. How famous? Like as famous as you are now?

No. No. Does she resent you for it? No. We just get right into it anyway. No, she does it. So she was famous. Like famous light, but like famous.

Right. Like she was known. Like she was on a soap opera. It's also, yeah. And so in a ton of theater and it's a smaller community in Rio, whatever. And there was a newspaper article from the hospital when I was born. Right. And she kept thinking and looking at me and she didn't know what to name me.

And the title said, baby Morena doesn't have a name yet because Miranda means brunette. So basically meant like, little tawny baby doesn't have a name yet. And then my mom was like, oh, that's a good name. Yeah. Really? I know. And it's great that I moved to the United States because that's much more exotic than being in Brazil and being called Burnett. Right.

Hey, there's Brunette. Yeah. Hey, Brinette, what's up? Brunette! And then everybody goes, okay, that's your nickname. What's your real name? And I'm like, no, this is my fucking name. So in Brazil, do they kind of, do they think it's funny that your name's, do you ever get shit?

They think it's, they think it's my nickname. And they're like, no, that's actually my name. That's actually my name. Good for your mom. Yeah. And then you left, how old? The first time I left when I was seven. And my dad got transferred.

He worked for this really big company called Globo, which is one of the biggest networks. So it used to be in Brazil. He got transferred. He was a news editor. And so we all moved because Brazil was in the shitter. Can I curse a lot? Oh, yeah. Okay, great.

Brazil was in the shitter. It was, you know, just, I think still a dictatorship at the time, a really awful economy. And we moved. But my dad thought that my mom always wanted the kind of suburban, amazing American lifestyle and got us like a three-bedroom apartment in Forest Hills. And my mom got there and was like, oh, I thought we were moving to New York. How far as Forest Hills outside of the city? It's very close.

Right, it's not. But it's not New York City. It's not Manhattan. It's 30 minutes. At least. At least. Probably 45. Right.

On the train. It's still probably expensive. I don't know. At the time, this was, you know, the 80s. But he was doing well. He was doing okay. He was doing okay. And mom was making money being an actress?

She was. And then she quit to move to New York. And she's like, I don't do Queens. So she stayed for a year and she's like, this is miserable. I'm in the suburbs with two kids. You get to go. in the city and work all day. I don't speak the language.

My kids don't speak the language. Everybody's crying every day to go to school. You didn't speak in English. None. Zero. Zero. I remember being made fun of because I saw a squirrel for the first time. I mean, you have to imagine. That's so cute.

This little girl, this seven-year-old from Brazil, you know, being used to being on the beaches in Rio. Oh, moving to Forest Hills Queens. And I'm wearing like Long Johns and it's cold, you know, and we're out in the yard. And a squirrel goes, and I go, Schi-Loo! Because that's what a squirrel is in Portuguese. And people look at me like, what is it wrong with her? Give me an example.

Let me hear how you think you sounded when you were seven. What did you say? Mom, I want a hamburger. Say it again. My God, that's so adorable. Yeah, that's that cute. Now, it's amazing. I guess at a young age, you stay.

Well, no, it is. Isn't that cute, Ryan? It's a beautiful language. Don't put him on the spot. Portuguese is a beautiful language. Are you glad I didn't say Spanish? Yes, I'm very proud of you for that. Don't people hate that.

And you know what the capital? Don't say it because you know. Watch this. Ryan, what's the capital of Brazil? It's Brasilia. Yeah, brother. Yeah. It's not Rio de Janeiro.

It's Brasilia. Is it safe for me to go to Brazil? Depends where you go. Because my listeners, a lot of them, at least on my Instagram, it shows you like this thing that someone showed me. And it says, my audience is like Mexico, Brazil, San Paolo. Yeah. So I'm just wondering, can I go there?

Yeah. You just have to be careful. And you have to be street smart, you know, just like any big city. But the problem with San Paulo and Rio specifically are there's just a huge discrepancy between wealth. You know, it's either you're either poor or you're rich. And there's a lot of people who can't survive and who are barely scraping by. And so it creates violence.

It creates, you know, kidnappings and for ransom and that kind of stuff and muggings on the street. And you have to be really careful. It's really unfortunate because it's the most beautiful place in the world. I got you. I get you about Brazil. I want to go there. You should. I think you'll have a great time.

Beautiful people. Yeah. You know, do you ever look in Americans and just go, man, there's so much prettier in Brazil? Yeah. Do you do that a lot? Yeah, all the time. I mean, it's a lot of natural beauty. It's the skin.

It's the olive skin. Yeah. No, I think also, honestly, there's a joy. for life there that I haven't seen anywhere else. When you say joy for life, what do you notice differently? Like, if you could say, if you can express or talk about one moment that you see in Brazil and compare it to a moment in the States, like just a, that shows that natural. I mean, have you seen those, like, typical videos of little boys playing soccer on the street,

barefoot, you know, you grow up with that kind of like passion for something, the beaches, the way everything looks, the way people like, they leave work early in Rio, they go sit on the beach, they have a beer or whatever and they go back to work like where else do you do that enjoying the moment and being where you are even though your circumstances aren't great you just find joy in the things that you have i think Queensland's are really good at that we were talking about being present yeah we had a little dinner before this because we're friends we've been friends for a while yeah and we keep in touch and i know you're busy but you know what you haven't you've gotten to be a bigger star now than when we first met and you haven't like you're still the same marina

I hope so well yeah I know but you you're just you're easy to talk to it's gonna sound weird but like I don't want to be a star like it's not about some I think some people are in it because they want to be famous course I want to do good work and have a good life and I worry a little bit about what happens when you start to be famous I mean I want to to have a simple life in a way like I want to I want my kids to grow up and know what the reality of the world is versus in the other day um my husband ben is doing a play in new york right now he's doing a play on broadway what was he doing a play called grand horizons nice that was a movie with uh was event horizon it's nothing to do with that now it's not the sci-fi movie no no it's not a sci-fi

broadway play i'll still see it it's really good it's a family drama and new play it's just stars James Cromwell and Jane Alexander, amazing actors. Anyway, we go, I take the two kids on his dinner break to go visit him and we're walking to see their dad on Broadway, like on a dinner break. Like that's not normal. Most kids don't live like that. Right. And I want my kids to understand that that is not normal. That's a privilege. But like they're exposed to so much, just so much to art, to theater, to whatever, being in New York. But that's, and that's a privilege and that's important that is important and it's got to be tough to sort of like implement certain things to balance them yeah they're too young to know right now I mean

they're three and six so like six year old is understanding of that a little bit so I think I just need to like remember just every once in a while slap them around and remind them yeah yeah that's not real yeah um back to what you said about being present we were talking about that Yeah. And I always feel like you are someone that has always been present. Now, I'm not one that it's always been present. It's hard to me, hard for me sometimes to focus. And I feel like when I'm really into something, I can focus on it.

If I'm really just zone, I'm in the zone. Yeah. Because I'm interested, whether it's a documentary or a movie or. But don't you find that more and more, maybe it's because we're actors, like I don't, movies don't do that for me anymore. Like, I can't lose myself in a movie the way I used to. Renee Zeg Wiggler? I didn't.

No. Zegweller. Zegweller? Zellweller? Zegweller? Zegweller? Peter Weller. I talked about this a while ago, but I watched Judy.

So you're saying when you watch a movie, you can't connect as much? I just, I see the shot. And like, I'm looking at it in, like, a technical way. Right. way and like I appreciate it it's been a long time since I've lost myself in a movie man that's wow that's interesting because I feel like that's that's the one way the maybe it's the only way I mean when I connect when it happens I find myself sometimes lost if a movie's good enough or it's I feel like it's speaking to me or I can relate to like I can relate to Judy

there's moments in Judy Garland where I just go maybe it's mental illness I don't know but at the of Judy, I lost my shit. I was alone on New Year's Eve. It just happened. And my friends wanted me to go downtown. And I wasn't mad. I wasn't angry. I wasn't like,

I just don't feel like it. It was like, hey, guys, I've seen you almost every day. I had people over for Christmas morning. I had enough's enough. I had an ornament party. I've had screener nights. I love you, but I don't need to see you again right now. And for some reason, I don't know if it's universe or my, your body sort of telling you.

Yeah. You need to just chill out, man. Why I watch Judy? I don't know because there's many movies that I want to see. You know, a lot of other screeners. Yeah. Academy movies. And I remember my, I kept seeing a trailer every once in a while for Judy.

Yeah. Judy Garland story. Well, I've heard amazing. I don't know if you'll connect to it. Like I did, but at the end, I mean, she was 47 when she died. Yeah. I was, I'm 47 and she died right before. her 48th birthday and I was so much older than me yeah how old are you 40 40 yeah thank you um

but I I just remember you know she had pill addiction horrible since she was young but she went through so much that I couldn't even understand when she was young and you know those things that come on at the end of a movie like Judy went on to do this six days later she died it just I could feel right now it just moved me and I when I say cry I wasn't just going, oh my God, that's sad. I was 15 minutes hard, couldn't stop crying, and I never do that. I never nonstop cry. Usually it's a cry for a minute or two, and I can go, let go 20 seconds.

You know, lost my grandpa. I was crying. But this one lasted like a lifetime. And it was weird. I didn't want it to end. Sounds like it was really cathartic. It was cathartic. And my dogs came up to me.

And I just was like, my eyes were the next day, they were burning. Yeah. They hurt. And so I connected with that. there's certain things in movies that... Wait, didn't you, didn't I text you that night and say, hey, I'm coming tomorrow. This was this, this was two days ago. Yeah.

Yeah. And you go, I'm, yeah, great, I'm going to bed. Like, you were really short, which you aren't usually. Yeah. Maybe you had just, I just, I was, I was done. Yeah. And I just felt like sometimes it's important to just reflect and to emote. Yeah.

I mean, you're Brazilian, so you probably cry a lot. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But, you know. No, but I do. And I, it's hard. You're a cry. What makes you cry? But as I get older, it gets harder. Like, I, I find myself holding it in a lot. I'm embarrassed to cry. I'm embarrassed to be vulnerable. Why? Why are you embarrassed to cry? Because I feel like I cry all the time, because I feel like I cry too much. How often do you cry? Well, you know, like I have this thing called a period and like, you know, at least once a month. Women have periods. They cry. Okay. Okay.

You know, I've, you know, I had a rough day yesterday. I mean, I cried a lot yesterday, and I didn't know why. We talked about why. Could have been on New Year's Eve. Yeah, no, I drank too much on New Year's Eve. That's definitely part of it. That's fine. But I was also PMS thing.

It was deeper than that. It felt like so much. And I think it's okay to allow yourself to have those moments. But I judge myself and through it, I was like, and my husband kept asking me, like, are you okay? I'm worried about it. I'm like, you know what? I'm fine.

I just need to cry. I don't know why. I'm going to try not to dissect this. Like, I'm just going to cry. And it was okay. And I feel better. Does he ever think, is it me?

Am I doing something? I'm sure. Of course. Because women can be tough. You know, even when a guy's not like answering a woman, like, imagine a guy's like, why are you so quiet? I'm fine. Something's wrong.

No, I'm fine. No, but I wasn't doing it like that. Right. Of course. It was just you. I was letting him in. Right. If it was like, look, I was like, I don't know.

I just think I need to be in this place right now But something you said earlier about Connecting with something like the movie like Judy And allowing yourself to cry And having that cathartic moment And being present I have a hard time being present And I think watching a movie

I'm not being present I'm like looking at like the technical aspects around it And lately I've started Pottery Because we're also talking about art before And that I will be at the wheel making something for three hours and the time will go like that and I won't realize it and it is so soothing and it's so nice to be doing something that takes your attention like that that you're not

self-conscious about that you don't care how great you are how great you are how you look how you look doing it how you what you're making like I'm not in it to make beautiful pottery I'm in it to just create something and learn a new skill or to just disappear in your mind yeah present and not it's like a meditation it's so great i think that's awesome see that's great that's that's like applying certain things those are good we call them good habits right yeah because we're talking about like i had a lot of bad habits they still have a lot of bad habits but i cut out a lot of them it's all right that's a glass and that's the microphone yeah that's still good that's still the microphone gotta go like way around it to drink my water that would have that was a drunk moment

even though you're not drunk and you promise yourself you're not drinking after New Year's for three months. Three months, yeah. Yeah. When you drink, do you feel like, you're like, I'm going to get drunk tonight. I'm going to get really drunk. Yeah, sometimes I can tell. Sometimes it sinks up on me.

I don't do it often. I have two kids, and I'm up at six. And I hate that feeling of, like, I feel disgusting. And then I'm crabby and I'm not enjoying my day. So I just don't do it a lot. I have my glass of wine pretty much every night. But that's a glass. I mean, that's different.

You don't think that's alcoholism when you have to have a glass of wine every night? No. All right. I don't. I think that's being a mom. You do. When you have children, you tell me about it. Because it's like what I imagine people do when they have a cigarette or like, you know,

you just kind of need to exhale sometimes and having a glass of wine. And I also really like the taste of wine. I enjoy that. Right. I talk with my hands a lot. That's fine. You're an actor. That's a good actor, I think.

People talk, because that's what people do. They talk with their hands. I've ever had an actor where they're just like this. But anyway, getting back to drinking my drinking problem. Yeah. I don't drink like that. New Year's Eve was maybe the most I've had to drink ever in one at one like I had a great time You did I had a great time it was just three couples were you sloppy?

No, we danced I never noticed you being sloppy I've seen you drunk when we did back in the day Okay I remember you were drunk a couple nights because there was like people were out drinking Because there was nothing to do in Indiana I couldn't really enjoy it but the few nights I did When everybody's drunk I never know some people you could see there's something like maybe they should stop yeah But I never could tell, like, God, she's hammered. But I know my limit. I really do. That's the thing, man.

Most people don't know their limits. Like, two drinks for me is plenty. Ryan, do you know your limits? Yeah. No, I went into a little harder on New Jersey than I wanted to as well. Yeah. Were you obnoxious? No, I'm a fun drunk.

Are you? Yeah. You say that. I'm sure a lot of people say they're fun drunks. And if you ask their friends, are like, what an asshole. I mean, I've had, I've had asshole moments, too. That happens. Really?

Yeah, you can't prevent that. I get, I just get happy, I think. Like, I'm more affection. and I'm happier and I'm looser. Yeah, it does depend on what you drink. My friend, Deneen, does these things where I love her, but she does do this thing that annoys me. It annoys me, but I know she actually does love me. She'll look at me literally like this, Mike.

And I'm like, I know it's coming. And she does this to Ethan, too. She'll go, she'll tilt her head a little with a smile. I love you. Right. And I go, ah, right. She goes, no, no. I mean, say it.

I'm like, I love you too. Wait, and she only does that when she's drunk? Well, she does it 99% more. Everyone's especially goes, I love you. Thank you. It was a great night. But it will be one of those moments where it's uncomfortable. Right.

I'm not uncomfortable. I'm just like, here it comes. The means had a few too many. Mike, I love you. Right. I'm like, ah, brother. What? Why can't you just?

No, I think it's sweet. I think it's sweet. I do you find it hard? I mean, for a woman, I think it's easier. to say, I love you to everybody. Like a woman can say... I have a hard time, though. Well, I'm saying like a son.

Like, can Ben, are his parents alive? Yeah. Can he say, I love you to his dad? Yeah. See, that's a nice thing. I don't think I've ever said it other than a text recently. Well, see, that's a great thing. That's so important.

To say, I love you to a little boy or a little girl is huge. You don't understand. I'm telling you, first-hand experience, if you look at your son with conviction, it's not like you're throwing it at him constantly. Yeah. But if you're like, hey, I want you to know, I love you. Yeah. I really love you.

I'm proud of you. And I really want you to be happy. And I'm with you. I mean, that will, that's more than any gift you could ever buy them. Yeah. That is the gift. It's true. And so if Ben's doing that.

But I think even if you can't say that and that's how you are towards them, your attitude, I think that's, that's okay too. I mean, hearing I love you is very important. But showing it with actions like. It's also important. Talking to your son, playing with him. being interested in his life. Be interested, I think.

He's huge. Ben seems like he has a really good disposition. Yeah, he does. He's just a nice guy. Like, I'd hang out with Ben. I don't know if Ben would hang out with me. He says to say hello. So I think he would.

Okay, well, that's nice. Yeah. Hi, Ben. How are you, Ben? He is. He's just a nice guy. And I'm like... He is.

I mean, you know, he's a human being. He's got his moments as well. What are his moments? You know, he's... I mean, like all of us. Does he get angry? Yeah. He's been a...

Rena! Enough! no it's not like that he his anger is quiet is contained he has to walk away he doesn't want to do anything he regrets it's very admirable actually and it scares me a little like when he gets like oh i fucked up you know what i mean right he he doesn't want to do anything he regrets he doesn't want to say anything he regrets good on him that's hard to do that takes years of self of like i would assume it takes a long time to yeah because a lot of times you're hearing something that sounds so foreign you and it's so wrong that you're like fuck off i have and then that just feels

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what the show is about. The show's about, like, hey, you're successful. I'm not being inside of me. Right. Yeah. Thank you. But the show, I've had actress go, God, well, you haven't even talked about this project. We haven't talked about the office, Rain Wilson said.

And I go, oh, do you want to? He's like, no, I love this. And you've done a lot. Serenity, Firefly, Homeland, you get nominated for an Emmy in 2013. Yeah. Yeah, you're welcome. And then Gotham and then Deadpool 1, Deadpool 2. You got a movie Greenland coming out with Gerard Butler.

You've got, I mean, like, you're successful. You have a lot of money. I live in New York City. I'm putting two kids to private school. There's not enough money in the world. Well, we'll get into that. But like you went through tough shit. Yeah.

As we know, like people get divorced. My parents, my mom's been married three times. My sister's been married four times. My dad just got divorced for a second time. I know what divorce is. Yeah. And maybe that's why I'm single. Maybe that's why I haven't gotten married because I see how much dysfunction there is.

Oh, get married. It's wonderful. It is. But the first time around, I'm sure there was wonderful moments, but it didn't work out. No, it didn't. Why do you think it doesn't work out? You know, there are so many reasons. For me, you know, I, and by the way, if I hesitate here, it's because, you know, I'm

because I'm hyper aware that my son will be old enough one day to hear everything that I say about my relationship and I want to be respectful of that. We were just talking about this before. Yeah. Right? I didn't know myself well enough when I got married. I didn't admit to myself that the things that I actually wanted the things that I wanted and that I still want.

I wasn't ballsy enough to let it be okay that I wanted certain things and that certain things were important to me. I grew up, you know, Brazil has this sort of like misogynistic kind of like, you know, male dominance in relationships and culturally. And I, you know, I left Brazil when I was seven to the first time and then 10 for good. And I didn't have that as an example in my household. My parents were, you know, my mom's real ballbuster. So my dad was the more likes the date one. But I didn't also, I also didn't have a, they got divorced when I was 20. I didn't have an example of a wonderful, a great relationship. My mom raised me to go, you know, never cook for any man. You're going to be successful. You're not going to have kids until you

are in your 30s or 40s. You're always going to take care of yourself first because this is what she wanted for herself. Right. And she filled me with all of this. And I was like, this is what I want. I am not going to cook for any man. I'm going to be a feminist. I'm going to, and it wasn't really what I want. And it wasn't really what I want. wanted. I didn't want to, I didn't, I mean, it's so fucking hard, right? In this like, Me Too movement, whatever, but like, I don't want to be equal the same as my man. I think that there is a man and there is a woman. And I think that's okay. It doesn't mean I should get paid less or it doesn't mean that I should, but we don't do the same things and we don't serve the same

function in a household. And I think those roles can change and they can be what they are for the right relationship, you know, with whatever you want for yourself. But I didn't really know myself well enough to know that I am much more traditional, I realized, than I, I wanted to be cooler than I am. I love that Ben opens doors for me. I love that when we started dating, he, you know, made a big deal about, like, no, put your wallet away. Like, a man should pay. And I love that he, and I'm, this is nothing to do with my ex. This is to do with my current. Right. This is these are the things. You're just saying these things right away that he was doing were more of what you were gravitated to us. Yes. And it made me feel good and it made me feel loved and wanted. And also he heard me and listened and emotionally connected with each other in a way that I hadn't before. And, you know, these were all things that were extremely important to me that I didn't realize how much. Does he still do them? Yeah. All the time. Does he ever not hold the door when you?

He always does. I mean, unless I get ahead of him, which I sometimes do, whatever, but like... How do you feel about the old Bronx tale moment where instead of going around the door and opening the door, I go in the driver's side door and then lean over... Oh, that one and open the door that way? That's fine. Not as good, but that's fine. That still works, right? Yeah.

Thank God. It works. You know, it's hard, though. You know, you have a kid with someone, you're married, and then you up and you move to New York. Is it tough to because, you know, my parents fucking love. loathed each other after the divorce. In fact, I made a rule, and I still hold that rule now. I say, you are not allowed to talk about anybody else except us when we're having a

conversation. If you start talking about dad or you still talking about mom, I'm hanging up. It's not fair. And I dealt with it a while, and it was hurtful. And so do you sort of have a rule? Yeah, we do. Hey, I will not talk about your dad. Absolutely.

He's a good dad, whatever. Absolutely. He is a good dad. And I do not, my son is a smart boy. He, I'm sure, picks up on tensions that we have with each other, my ex and I, but that is a big rule for both of us. You just, you cannot bring a child into it. And sometimes it happens accidentally or sometimes there's a frustration or something that you're dealing with and the kid experiences it. But we both, I believe, try.

I know I really, really, really try to not let that be a thing. Right. It's really unfair. Sometimes resentment is hard to let go. You know, when things go, you know, what's harder? resentment is hard to let go you know ego ego and you know you broke up because you don't get along right like there's something that just doesn't gel so that's tough but you know I can't let that get in the way of my you know of their relationship and my relationship with my son and it's a completely you know

you can't you have to be the bigger person that's just not fair to him the harder thing though I think we're adults and we will deal with what we'll deal with the harder are the questions that he's going to start to, you know, we split up when he was one. As he gets older, he starts to ask questions. And lately, he's been saying, you know, I want, why can't we all live together? And I think that's, it makes me laugh in like the best possible way. Like, that's so sweet. He wants us all to be married to each other and to all live in the same house.

Right. And I feel like it's really important to give him that fantasy, you know, and to just acknowledge. It's like, yeah, me, who knows? He wants us together. He wants his family together. And that's a sweet. thing. And you want to encourage that, I think, in a kid. And then you turn your head to your husband, Ben, and go, not in a million years. I think there's a sick I'm in there somewhere,

huh? There is, right? It's called not in a million years. Well, thanks for being open about that. And that's, it's interesting because, you know, you rarely see two people that can be like, we can actually have a conversation and talk about our kid. And it's fine and there's no and there's no. And I don't know if you even are near there. Maybe it's just right now, you have the time with your son, I have the time with my son, and that's what it is. Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, it's more like that. But we do, I mean, you have a child together. You got to discuss doctors and you discuss schools and you just, you know, there are things that you need to talk about.

Is it hard, though? Do you ever feel like you're not agreeing on certain things just to not, but just to not agree? Oh. You know, I mean, like, he'll say something and then you'll go, well, I'd rather instead of going, you know what, you could have this one. I mean, maybe in the beginning, but I think, like, as it goes on, you really have to think about your kid. It's a waste of time. It's a waste of time. Like, why? Why do that? Why are we doing that? But I find, I mean, with Ben, Ben and I argue about things all the time where I'm like, well, I like, you know, to eat at this place because whatever, like, I want to give

them this blue carrot. And he's like, that carrot has no nutritional value, you know. We, like, argue about, like, stupid shows. Right, right. There's not, um, do you have parents like Ben? My mom, yeah. She, she, she, she, she, my dad is not really in the picture. Oh, yeah, because they divorced. They divorced. And he lives in Brazil. Do you ever see him? You know, I tried for many years to reconcile and keep a relationship. And, you know, it got really, really, really complicated. And I thought it was best to have boundaries at the moment.

I have, I'm hopeful that at some point soon we will reconnect. But right now it's easier to, I mean, just, I guess not. I mean, we speak occasionally, like we email, but it's not what it should be. Right. I mean, does that really make you sad? Does it make you sad that you don't have a relationship with your dad that you want to have? Does it? Do you ever think about it?

Yes. But where our relationship was was more damaging and more sad than not. Do you know what I mean? I mean, well, his relationship, so he wasn't giving you what a father should. Yeah. You weren't getting out of him what you needed as a daughter. Yes. And that was more hurtful.

And you gave him every opportunity to step up, but he just didn't step up. Yes. And that goes back to you saying a man should be a man. and step up in a way, you know, like? I mean, yeah, I guess so. Is he just tough? Is he just too tough? No, he's not at all tough.

I mean, he's very nice. He's very, I have been parentified, you know, in the relationship. Like, I become the parent. And I don't need that relationship. And I need the other way around. Yeah, I feel like I feel like I have become the parent, like many years ago. So moving to another country, I learned English quicker than my parents did, of course, because they're in their 40s and it takes a while and whatever.

My brother and I were fluent within two or three years. And so we became, or I, because I'm the oldest, became the go-to, like, hey, can you translate for that? What are they saying? Well, I need to open a bank account. You need to come with me. Right. I need help.

Parente two conferences. What is your teacher saying? I'm like translating. And, you know, and suddenly, like, I don't have the support. I'm supporting. and then it and then it bleeds into other areas emotionally and all kinds of things and from a very early age I became but giving money right providing yeah yeah it's amazing how you know you do it and you do you know I always say it's oh it's so weird when no one want

when someone doesn't ask for money when you're making it like my grandmother for instance my grandmother she hates she won't let me buy her things I buy her since my grandpa passed I buy her flowers every week she gets roses I'm sorry about that I know how close Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. I know you mean it. So I appreciate it. You know, I buy her flowers, roses every week. And she said, Mike, you stop. Why are you doing this? It's so expensive. You're buying me flowering because I love you. And I want you to smile at least once a week because I know you're having a hard time. She goes, you're just special. You're special. I know, I know, the teachers told me that. But I, you know, I want to buy her things. Like I had to go out and get her a TV set, a new TV. And I go, dad, let's go buy her a TV. I'm going to go buy her TV. You better not buy me anything. I don't need anything. But those are the people you want to buy for.

My friend Tom, he doesn't want you buying him anything. He doesn't want you lending it. But it's when someone's hands always out. It's not like you don't love them. That really gets me. It's really hard on us. But because it plays on guilt and it plays on manipulation. And, you know, I've supported my parents since I could work when I was like 20, 21, you know,

which is like not an. you should be supporting your parents and it's hard it's really really hard and there's also i think there's also a cultural aspect to that too by the way i mean in brazil you live with your parents until you get married and then when you get married you move out and then you kind of start supporting her parents you know and i think that that's something that was just kind of ingrained in in them but i don't live in brazil i grew up you here i love you but do you ever think sometimes i learned this in therapy but you want you're always waiting for that moment in life where the person you love will become the person you always needed or wanted. Does that make sense? Almost like, you know, like I love my mother.

I stopped imagining or thinking, you know, one day, she's just going to be that responsible, non-manipulative, just sincere. And she has her moments now. I think she's trying. My dad's trying, But that's called, you know, my old therapist said, what's crazier than, you know, some of the things you experience as a child and your parent, what's crazier is you thinking they're going to change, that you think after all these years, you're still going to find a way to make them be what you always need. This is who they are. Yeah. This is the person you're looking at. So you have to ask yourself, do I want a relationship with this person? And if I do, what kind of relationship?

And you have to be in control of that relationship. in the sense that how often do I want to speak to this person? How much effort do I want to put into this? How much time do I want to spend with them? And that really is a, that took me a while. But when you stop trying to parent and you stop trying to fix. I know with the fixing. Well, then if you just stop it and you just say, this is what I will allow.

This is what I want in my life. Because at the end of the day, it's your life. It's your life. It's Stallone. It's the loan is my life. life. It's my life. When he's saying the Mickey, remember that?

That's a really good impression. You like that? All right. Well, from where that came from. I got on that because I think there's, like I said, I always try to fix things. But like, I'm like, you know what? The more you try to fix people, the more broken you get. Yeah, no, you can't.

I feel like I've gotten more broken. I'm like, as the years have gone on, because it's debilitating and stressful and draining. It's futile. And futile. And it's just crazy. It's like, it's fantasy for me. think that I'm going to change someone or get someone on a routine, I have to get on the routine. I have to just be as healthy as I can be. Because otherwise, what am I doing?

Yeah. Well, who am I living my life for? Well, you know, having kids really puts that in perspective big time. If you break down, like, nothing gets done. Nobody gets taken care of, you know? And you really, that's one of my New Year's resolutions this year, honestly, is to take better care of myself and to allow myself more time for myself. I will, I will, like, run empty. I'll just keep going, keep going until I completely collapsed. How are you going to change that? So in the New Year's resolution, I'm going to be less, I'm going to try to feel less guilty and try to work through that guilt of like, you know what, I can go to a coffee shop, take a breather, read a book for 30 minutes and reset so I can have more energy for my kids later. Just like not have

that, you know, what can I be doing more for them? Like spending more time with them, playing with them more doing I do that a lot and I and it's work it's about quality and not quantity if that makes sense yeah I remember daisy confused there was a line where the guy goes it's not about quality man it's about quality exactly it but I you remember that Ryan not that specific line you know I can only remember the the Matthew McConaughey bit that's what I like about these freshman girls man I get older they stay at the same age all right all right all right that was a good one um so look all your success i mean i don't know how you do it because i can barely like i can imagine you've got movies you got tv shows you're flying out to la and you're telling me

how much it's how hard is because you miss your kids yeah like you miss your kids but you're you're working to give them a better life to give yourself a better life to have enough money so you can retire and later on in life and but most importantly i love it you know i really try not to say to them like you love your job i have to go to l-a because i have to work i want to do you do you love everything you do is there a job you're like besides my movie is I mean now you had a lot of fun on my did I had a blast I think it was one of your best times in your life I did I had a blast I mean are you more picky you're obviously more yeah because now you're getting before it's like all right I'll do V yeah all right I'll do I mean like I said when you have kids it puts a lot in perspective and I weigh the time I'm going to spend away from them with the job so is it worth it you know is it something I need to do and how can I balance and have a balance and have a balance and have a balance I really, you know, that's the hardest part, I think, as a working mom, is balancing, wanting to work because then I feel good about myself and I have more to give to them.

Right. Not just financially, but emotionally with the time that I won't be with them. But it's important, I think, to show them that I can have my own life and my needs and my wants and it's okay to, like, take care of myself. Do you give yourself a certain amount of time, like, let's say you're learning lines? First of all, how do you prepare? Who helps you, if anybody? Do you record your lines, your voice for the other lines?

And then how many hours a day do you give yourself to work on them so then you can give the rest of the time to the family? It's really different for every part. You know, if I'm doing like, if I'm guest starring on a show and it's super easy and it's a kind of role that I can do in my sleep, I don't prepare. So you don't just, you don't put a lot of effort into it. I don't.

I mean, I know that I give them what they want and you move on. But not that I put zero effort. I just tell myself like, get rest, look good. feel good, feel good about yourself. Like, I do the things to prepare in that way. But you know your lines. But my lines are not, like, it doesn't matter. I'll get them and it's going to be fine.

That's not the hard part. I think honestly, with children, it's the, um, the, the, the, the, the hygiene of, like, getting enough rest and allowing yourself to leave a house with plenty of time to, like, not have a crazy morning or, you know, maybe like not being the one who takes them to school that morning or whatever, like doing that kind of stuff. get rest is it routine do you go to bed at a certain hour and wake up at a certain hour do you have to do that because a lot like i have sleep problems so if i don't go to bed by 11 or 12 if it's later everything's fpped up right like you miss your slight your right like i got i got to go to bed right

that's one of the hardest things about having children is is that that gets completely fucked but how do you what do you here's my biggest question for you the most important thing you're going to say on the show how do your eyes not look swollen how do you not have like bags under your eyes i have good jeans fuck man i must have those Hungarian-Romanian jeans because like that's all I could think of I don't even care about being a good actor all I can care about is God please make my eyes less swollen in the morning but that's your look like that's who you are who cares I know I just hate like looking like fucking I am exhausted 95% of my life are you are you exhausted on set can you fall asleep

on set not on like what I can't I have an intense amount of energy I'm tired a lot but I'm like I'm buzz I'm on I'm not like I'm not But when I'm working, I'm working, I rarely can take naps during the day. I don't allow, again, that's one of the things that I'm going to work on this year, is allowing myself to switch off, whether it's meditation for five to ten minutes or laying down and taking a quick cat nap, I need to be able to do that more. But I will be up with kids all night and then get up and have a full day and then like just do it again. But that comes with knowing that you have to. Like if I did that, try to do that 10 years ago, there's no fucking way I could do it. Right.

It's because you know you have these little people that need you. Mm, those little people. How cute is that? They're little people. Six a.m. They're patting into my room. Like, come morning. It's time to get up.

Squirrel. Skilu. Kilo. Skiloh. I wish I was a little bit. Skiilo. I find this so fascinating. Like, I mean, your career, do you, when you were doing Deadpool 1, I remember when we had lunch at a Chinese, no, a sushi place in Vancouver.

And we had a conversation about Deadpool and you're working with Ryan Reynolds and everything. I didn't know what Deadpool was. I don't know. I didn't either. I know. I remember I was sitting there and I go, what do you think? You're like, I don't know. Seems he's great. Everything's great. You want, you want Unagi? Sure. Let's get Unagi. You had no idea. Yeah. So were you absolutely blown away when you saw the movie. Yeah, I was. Did you think this is going to put me on another level? No. I mean, I still didn't know how people were going to receive it. When I was shooting, I was like, oh oh this is this is fun like i'm having the best time i hope it turns out great you know and then when i saw it i was so blown away and then when it came out and it was the hit that

it was i i still sometimes can't believe it the first movie you didn't get paid much i got paid okay what's okay i can't tell you why let me just ask you this how long did you work two months on the first one yeah oh on and off for two months yeah 200,000 $250,000 I don't tell you I'll tell you later when the mics off 40,000 but I have an ex-husband if he knows how much I met you know the difference yeah the difference between one and two exorbitant difference no I mean a bit a bump for sure residuals at least tell me this residuals did you get more than $300,000 residuals oh god I don't know uh Jesus I would have known well i got a box office bonus i got two oh those are nice that means when the movie makes

x amount you get a bump yeah and makes x amount you get a bump you know how many movies i've been in never i never got that bump it's really hard all of them and no that's really hard that's that rarely happens you know much i got paid for guardians is it weird to talk about money i don't care i like it it's just kind of fun because i think people want to know some people go i can't believe he talks about like but other people are like going i want to know i want to tell you what i got paid for guardians get ready i only worked a week a week okay a week okay a week And I was unrecognizable as they put CGI all over my face. But it was my body and my mouth to make the three lines that I said.

15 grand. Amazing. And I thought residually, I was like, oh, my God. This makes a, this made a billion dollars. I bet you I'm going to get so much. Did you get residuals? No, I did. But yeah.

No, I mean, so like people think that you get. Well, but they also, and they dwindle. This is what people don't understand. The residuals go down every year. year. Look, I'm... I get checks from the O.C. for one cent. Oh, yeah, I've gotten one cent checks. But, you know, it's the thing. It's like people assume that, you know, you make a lot of money. When you do Guardians, if you're a bigger

actor in the show, if you're named, sure, sure. But like after the taxes and everything, I probably made $5,000. Those studios are really, really smart. The way they do this business model, because there's cameos, right? And the way they define what you're doing, you get paid accordingly. So even if it's Scarlett Johansson, if she's a cameo in... in one of the Marvel movie is like she may not get paid her rate. I mean, they do it in a very smart way. They do. And I also think nowadays, they're like,

you want to be part of the Marvel universe? Yeah. You want to be part of the DC universe? Right. Get on your knees. We'll pay you what we want to pay you. You're lucky to be in this movie. They have the power.

They do. They do have the power until you say, no. Right. Well, that is real power in this industry. And you know what? It is. Let me tell you something. It is power.

Anywhere in any industry. If you could say no, you mean it. I've gotten exactly what I want. But you know what? I bet you really meant no. You have to mean it. If you're fucking around trying to get more money and you say no, you're fucked. You're fucked.

It only works if you mean it. And this is in real life. If you were, my friend wanted to quit UPS. He's like, you know what? Oh no, you wanted to quit a subsidiary if that's the right word of this UPS. Like something that's not UPS, but it's like P-U-S. Okay. Puss.

Why did I spell Puss? Sorry. Puss. He was like. fuck this man they're paying me like half as much as you PS would pay me and I'm fucking leaving and I'm like let me tell you something if you really want to go and you're not trying to bust their balls to give me your more money he's like no fuck that I'm not getting paid this money I'm leaving I want to leave I'm leaving if you really mean it

then then do it and he's like ah and then it came out he just couldn't he couldn't he couldn't do it yeah so I'm like I remember there's been those moments and look a lot of times if you have a family if you're working you know you're making ends me to say no is harder but if you really mean it if you really feel like you know they're not paying me what I'm worth and on principle I really just

You and I had this conversation recently where I was trying to make a deal and we won't leave it out the studio and all that stuff but like and you know it was not worth it to me and I didn't that was one of the times that I had to cancel on you

I didn't come out to LA I didn't you know pitch the show I was gonna pitch you like fine don't pay me and it was fine with me it was genuinely fine with me I was like I'm not And it wasn't even

This particular deal point It was not even about money Right It was about the power To make decisions And to be a part of the development process And I felt like If I'm bringing a show to somebody

I'd like to have that power Yeah Yeah Um Jess Whedon Joss Jesus I've never worked with him

That's why I fucked his name like Um He's brilliant Yes he is I saw this movie cabin in the woods Yeah I fucking loved it And I was like, I want to work with this guy.

Yeah. Do you ever think, why is he not casting me now? I did Serenity. I did Firefly. I do. Yeah, it's like, what did I do wrong? I was in Homeland. Well, but not only that, he's, he, he works with people over and over again.

Uh-huh. But I'm one of the only actors that he's never worked withing it, which is a weird. Were you, bitch? No, we had a great time together. Joss. Marina is a wonderful woman. She's such a good-hearted, you know this. Maybe he'll, I think he'll cast you.

There was one thing. that he did call me for it was a long time ago, a TV show that he did, but there was like a scheduling issue, which is why I couldn't do it, but that was it. I mean, this was like 20 years ago. Do you regret anything in terms of like turning down a job? I don't think that there's a job that I've turned down that I've regretted. It's really hard to say no to work when you don't work a lot and when you don't know when the next job is going to come. Right. And that still is hard for me. You know, I had to turn down something at the end of last year that was with a friend. And that was, that is one of the hardest things to do. And I actually did like the script. And I know that

he'd been trying to make this movie for a long time. And, but it just, the timing, it was like, not right for my family. There you go. And in my heart, I was like, I feel like I'm going to go and do this to do it and not because. I want to do it. But I did kind of, like, I could have seen myself doing it. I just didn't want to put that much effort into it. I don't know. Like, there was something about the time away from my kids that it was going to be too hectic and insane. I was going to be going back and forth and they were going to have to come and visit me. And it was like, and I was like, you know what? I'm just not going to do it. This is going to be. And I had to turn a friend down and that was really, really hard, really hard. You didn't turn me down

when we did back in the day. I didn't. That was fun. We made this little, it was under a million. It says on IMDB, it was a million, but it was under a million. I think you could tell that when you were on set. It was just like, we had a girl's trailer and a boy's trailer. We had one trailer for four women, five women? I think we had 12, 11 actors in the middle of nowhere with a crew that didn't know what they were doing for the most part, except some we brought from L.A., and they did like Bradley and those guys, but they had to fire the sound guys right away.

Yeah. But you did that, and you were already successful, you're successful actors, and I couldn't believe you actually did it. I remember we met in Greenblatt? Yeah, yeah. And I go, I read the scripts and I was like, this is hilarious. He said, this is fun. Yeah.

And I go, well, you want to do it? And you go, are you offering me this? And I go, fuck yeah. Oh my God. This really beautiful, talented actress wants to do. And let me tell you something. I'm not saying this. I swear to God on all that is holy.

I really, on Jeb Whedon, nobody. I mean, the cast is great. I'm just saying nobody was a bigger delight than you. Oh, thank you. You were my rock. And I know that you guys went out and I couldn't and I was so exhausted because I was the lead and I was doing everything and I you know but you were so kind where you could have easily been like what the fuck he's a first time director he doesn't know what he's doing and there were days

when I didn't know what the fuck I was doing there was a couple where I was like I'm lost need help some good days where I was like I'm good but you were just a I can't say this enough I don't if I ever told you but class you didn't tell me but listen a class act like I think you kept me together knowing that my leading lady a woman that i didn't even have to get to kiss we didn't kiss we didn't i don't remember no we were about to in the movie oh right right right right right i just remember going she's the leading lady she's in you know a lot of scenes and she's just so cool about everything waiting around getting you know we got to fire the sound guys day one look you were just dynamite to work with so just but go ahead what and this is how i know that i love doing what i do right

I get in a situation like that, and it doesn't scare me. If I was in a situation like that and you had been an asshole, different story. Different story. But I knew that you were trying your best. You were great at it. You know, there was some questionable moments, but that's okay. Sure. Of course. Oh, my God.

I questioned them. But it felt good because we were creating something. And, you know, we were all in it together. And I'm like all for that. Yeah, you were. You were really good. I'm all in. All the time.

If you guys haven't seen that movie, it's called Back in the, the day um it's very sweet movie it was it was a really sweet little funny and you just wanted to laugh you go i just want to laugh i do everything serious all the time i just want to laugh and we did it was a raunchy little lowbrow fun count i laughed a lot we i have outtakes you see on the end of the movie if you don't even if you want to fast forward through the movie look at the outtakes yeah of marina losing it remember there was some shit where i go god we got a breather over here this guy and that laugh oh my god you laughed so hard so loud and it was just it was fun to be around it gave me the strength i think to continue it really did

so i thank you for that and i'll consider you thank you i hope you'll consider working with me some day if i gave you a script and you're it's the time and your family isn't compromised and it's a good script don't be offended if i turn it down yeah i will not be offended but i wouldn't but i know that about you yeah i wouldn't i'd be just like all right i'd give me a little bit of shit i don't think i would i'd be like hey here's the deal you should do it because whatever and I'd give you the spiel and I'd say hey this is it and you'd have your notes and you'd go hey I love you but I don't want to do it right I got done we're done we're good friends it's not gonna be weird no totally I know and I don't know that about you yeah I get it yeah

so all these roles you've done you're married happily it seems like Ben's a great guy I mean what do you you say you love work right you say I love to work is that something that you think for the rest you're like, I want to act. Because I know you do other things, but like a lot of actors like myself and I think this is what I get in trouble with. It's like, oh, you know what I want to write? I want to direct. I want to produce. And I spread myself too thin.

Right, right. And I start to veer away. But I also told you that, I know everybody's, it's weird when people are saying, hey, you're good at something. And you should do that and you make good money doing that. But then you're like, I don't really love that. So I talk about purpose. I talk about gifts. Like, you're giving a gift. Yeah. But what is that gift? you want to go to work the goal is anybody out listening you want to go to work with joy you want to go

hey how can I make a difference today how could I have fun today an element of fun and just something that you really I think that is the biggest gift when you can go do something you really enjoy and love and so and I'm still searching for that and I think this is part of it this podcast but do you truly just love it I truly love it I truly love it it comes with its challenges for sure I would really like to direct one day. I think I would be good at it. And I do too. I think that I would really like to produce, and I have developed and produced a little,

but nothing that's really gotten made past the developmental stage. I remember talking a couple times about projects. And that's every, I mean, I don't know how many projects I've had that it's pending and then gone. If people knew the story behind how things got made, it's incredible. You spend so many hundreds, hundreds of hours, years, and nothing gets made and you get paid. zero. I know. So that's...

But I do enjoy that. I do like that very much. And I like the control that comes with that. I'm very A-type and I'm very inner. I like being in charge. And I like that. And it's really interesting, you know, being a woman in this industry, I'm not going to say just being an actor because I would never, you know, just, it's not a bad thing.

But it's, there's more power in having, you know, be able to produce and having more say. So you want to mix it up a little bit. I do. Do you ever get bored? Have you ever been on a TV show? Like, for instance, Gotham. do you ever just go I'm bored

I'm bored of this role I'm bored of this fucking I just want to fucking go home I mean who can do 22 episodes of a show We did 100 episodes of Gotham Who could not get bored Doing 100 episodes of something

It could be the greatest show On television You know people who are listening Who are huge Gotham How would she get bored with Gotham Well it's not Gotham you're getting bored With it's doing like That one scene for 10 hours

Where you're like I've said this line A hundred times Yeah I'm bored I'm gonna go home It's 2 a M It's New York City I'm freezing ass off outside on the street I want to go home yeah and that's I think that's for me I don't

have the patience anymore for like the the idea of a nine to five job or nine to four 10 to five is you know I I guess because I'm older now I'm just like but the thought of that's what a network show is by the way it feels like a nine to five in a way you know yeah I mean I don't know man I've had not say bad luck I just have been on shows where I'm there 12 to 14 sometimes 15 no no I don't mean the hour I meant to say like a nine to five it means feels like a predictable it feels boring right and I'm saying that maybe just a regular nine to five I mean obviously again it comes down to you make more money if you can land a show yeah if you can you can it's very difficult and people don't realize it's like oh I remember the first show I did I think I talked about this

the Tom show at Tom Arnold ranked the 132 out of 133 shows worst TV show in history it looked like But I worked with Ed McMahon and Tom Arnold and I had a blast and brought me to LA and I was like the fifth lead And I remember going I made it I fucking made it and after the first season I'd walk on the street and I go Nobody recognizes me nobody's looking at me nobody knows anything and then I thought I made it and I'm like Wait a minute I think I got paid $2,500 an episode after taxes I thought when you come out to California get on a TV show you're famous yeah but no I had the same experience. You're not famous until you are recognized in something that is successful.

By the populace, not Los Angeles. But that, yes, but doesn't, don't you feel like now it's like even if something's not successful or whatever? Yeah, it hurts a little bit or whatever, but you can't gauge success through not being famous. Well, your priorities change. That's, you know, you're talking about the 20-year-old youth. I mean, that's a whole other person. When I, Firefly was my first TV job. I had done like one independent movie before that.

And I came out to LA and I remember shooting and being like, people know who I am? Like, no, nobody fucking gives a shit. And especially that show, which like didn't really make an impact until it was canceled. And then, you know, people started watching it after the fact. But you can go to those conventions and make money. Well, but now, I mean, it's crazy how many people come up to me. And they're like, you were in Firefly, right?

And I'm like, are you kidding me? That was 20 years ago. Isn't that something? Well, Smallville was 10 years ago when I left or something. It is. I'm very, we're very lucky. I know. And it's beyond luck.

But I'm just thinking, it's amazing like, I've talked about this before, so you could fast forward three seconds. But Dax Shepard says, you know, when he did chips and the movie didn't do well, he directed it and it was the lead. He said, you know, if I would have went back and asked that little boy, a 12-year-old boy saying, hey you're going to direct a big studio movie and you're going to be the star right do you think he would have cared about how much money it made or how much all he would be like wow I get to do that that's awesome because that's the inner child and you and the kid and that's what should keep you

going yeah it shouldn't matter if this is a success shouldn't success shouldn't dictate it shouldn't it shouldn't you know make or break whether you are happy about something like oh my out, I'm, I'm not happy because this failed. Right. Success doesn't dictate your happiness. That's, thank you. That's what you're trying to say. That's exactly what I want to say.

All right, now we're, we come to a new thing on the show. Uh-oh. This is brand new. Uh-huh. Okay. This is called shit talking. Okay. With Rosenbaum.

Okay. My Patreon fans, right? They're part of Patreon. They subscribe to the podcast, they get extra footage and stuff. So they have some questions. So I have, I pick 10 questions for you. Okay. Okay.

quickly answered and you don't have to go on forever danny favorite memory working in back in the day probably being in the trailer we were waiting around for something ended up not being needed on set um and kim kim watch a producer um she's like what can i do for you guys i'm so sorry there's a big delay we're like vodka and a pizza and she was like okay she's like don't tell michael and we got we had a bottle of vodka oh you were drunk i remember and i didn't know what happened why you were we got a pizza and we had the best fucking time in that shitty tiny trailer with like five girls just drinking vodka and shit talking and then we went to that and we were very professional we got the job done i think you did matthew jay who made her break character more ryan reynolds

deadpool nathan phillian firefly or michael rosenbaum in back in the day no don't answer that It's not me. We're taking me out. Ryan Reynolds and Deadpool or Nathan Philly in a firefight. Who'd make you crack up? Those guys are very similar. I'm going to say Ryan because he is so fucking quick on the jokes. He's so quick.

It's terrifying. Leah S. What's your favorite memory or story from working on Stargate? I don't have a good memory of that one. Would you not like it? No, it was totally fine. Everybody was super nice. But I had to wear contacts and he fucked up my eyes.

And I was really pissed. I like that that's your worst memory instead of favorite Lee or Leah S, that she gave you the worst memory. Yeah. The contacts. Yeah, the contacts. Sorry. The dry is really hurt.

Yeah, no, I really, really hurt. Andrea W., if you had it your way in the Firefly universe, did Inara and Malcolm finally get together or that have been a complete train wreck? They couldn't. Those two would never survive together. I mean, that's the beauty of their relationship. It's like moonlighting. You know, you want them together, but they'd kill each other together.

And then they would try again, and they would kill each other again, and then they would try it. You know, it would be like that. But that's, you, the, the yumminess in that relationship is that they will never fully be together. Angie, hi, Angie. What would be your dream role character to play and why? Oh, that's so hard. There are so many. I say this a lot as a joke, but I think I really mean it nowadays.

I want to be James Bond. There's nothing wrong with that. How about Jane Bond? Or James Bond. Yeah, fuck me. Why can't you be James Bond? Right. There are a girls named James.

Dude, I can see that. Because, you know... I used to want to be a Bond girl, but now I just want to be him. Dude, be James Bond. Jerry W., who in the filmmaking world inspires you and why? First person that came to mind. Because we're talking about Bond. Phoebe Waller Bridge.

I'm obsessed with her. Obsessed. Really? I want to do anything that she's associated with. Do you see Killing Eve? No. Is he Flea Bag? Flea bag is incredible.

I saw her do it. live in a theater. It was so great. Oh, my God. Deion K. What was it? You haven't seen Fleabag? No. Dude, you need to see Fleabag. Really? Uh, yeah. Okay. You could crush it in a night. There's episodes short. Yeah, you could. They're like 20 minutes. Oh, it's not a movie? No. Amazon. All right. Dion K. What was it that sold you and Michael pitched you the part in back in the day? Honestly, it was Michael. Like, meeting you, hanging out with you I read the script and it was cute and it was fun and funny but alone it wouldn't have been enough and like meeting you solidified it we had met years before I don't know

do you remember that I was on set for um or maybe I've already started a sorority boys on the boat you were with another guy you were dating him yeah one of the guys on there and you were you know an assholeish 20 year old or whatever then whatever you were um thank you but it was when I remember you and we like hung out and talked and so were you surprised that you're like wow i'm doing this no i liked it and i wanted to meet you because that relationship is really important and you have to really trust there's no way i could have done that movie without us trusting each other and without me feeling like you had my back i trusted you and you trusted me yeah and i needed to meet you and and you were attracted you're attracted to me um clearly nico neco says what charities or organizations do you

like to support. IRC, the International Rescue Committee. I like that. Say, this has been shit talking with Michael Rosenbaum. I'm Miranda Baccaron. This has been shit talking with Michael Rosenbaum. I'm Raina Baccarin. All right.

So what's going on now? What are you doing now? Because you've got all this stuff. You've got a family. You're always working. I know you got Green Linen in post production. You got another movie in post production. You've got three movies in post production.

You have three movies and post production. I just worked on. So Greenland was awesome action movie. Jared Butler, nicest man I've ever met. Like, sweetheart. Sexy in person? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But like a big teddy bear. Like the sweetest guy ever. Could you get him on the podcast? Yeah. He would do it right. For you? For me?

Why does he have to do it for me? Wouldn't he have fun? Yes, he went. I like him. I'll tell him. I've always liked him. He's a really cool guy. He lives here?

Yeah. Come on. You hear that guys? Waldo, which is a film noir comedy. with Charlie Hunnam and Mel Gibson. What was it like working with Mel Gibson? I didn't get to work with him, but he's perfect for this part, actually. He's like an alcoholic, angry actor who kills his wife.

Oh, my God. Well, good on him for actually doing that. Which, and this is like, it's based on a book, and I fucking loved working on this so much. Anyway, that was really fun to work on. It was stylized, you know, film noir kind of speak, but very funny. Do you feel like you have to change your, the way you speak when you're doing noir? You don't do this whole kind of thing to you? You can.

I mean, it depends what you're doing. With that, no. Right. But the cadence was really important. And the, it was very wordy. The jokes were very wordy. So you have to kind of like know where you're going. Right.

It was tough. What else? What's the other project? The other project was called The Good House with Sigourney Weaver, who, I have a big time crush on now. You worked with Scorni Weaver? I did. For how long?

A few weeks. Like scenes with her? We had like a dozen scenes together. Was she great? Were you nervous? Yes. So my first day of work was her 70th birthday. And she is so beautiful and so smart and so powerful.

Oh, yeah. And just such a kind person. Any emotional scenes? Yeah. did you cry in front of her um no i i it was like a post cry scene where like i'm upset and then i go to her house no not in front of me did she say ever marina this is really great job good scene yeah she did she did i died and went to heaven like i died and went to heaven like you talk to her just like hey keep in touch yeah like you could text her right now sure you could text

to go anywhere and just say hey yeah can you want to do it no you don't want to do right now So cool. There was a story where my friend was out with Jack Nicholson's publicist, and he took her phone. They were playing around. He goes, she goes, you have Jack Nicholson? He's like, yeah, he's a client, but I'm not his point person or whatever. So he doesn't know my, I go, he goes, no, no, no, no. And he starts dialing it.

And she goes, no. And he goes, hello. And he goes, oh, Jack? Yeah. I mean, hold on. I've been so nervous. That's cool, though. I mean, it's cool.

Like, when you look through you, sometimes I'm like, you know, I'll be, somebody goes, dude, is that Jason Patrick in your phone? I'm like, yeah, lost boys fucking, yeah, he's a friend. We go hiking every week. He's a great guy. I don't look, you know what I mean? But yeah, he's right here. He's on my lost boys poster.

I told them, I actually. It was a moment, it definitely was one of those moments where I was like, okay, I think I've accomplished something here. You know what I mean? Like, she's an idol for sure. For sure. She was like one of the main. I mean, and I, I, I, I heard that she really fought for me for this part and like I really, truly like that that got me. You know what I mean? I was. Do you feel weird like if you text her? Have you text her since the movie? Yeah, well, we've emailed each other back and forth. What do the emails consist of? Like some, well, she very sweetly and again, like so kind did not have to do this. emailed me just on the, after they wrapped saying, you know, we just finished

the movie, miss you, you did a fantastic job. I had given her a bottle of champagne for her birthday after I realized that she wasn't drinking the whole time she was shooting the movie because the movie's about an alcoholic and it's a very, very emotional piece. It's based on a book. And anyway, she was like, you know what, but I was so glad to have your, your bottle of champagne. It came in handy when we wrapped in the middle of the night and couldn't get alcohol anywhere. Anywhere we popped your bottle of champagne. Thank you. And thanks for the, you know, the great job you did on the film and I you know she didn't have to do that and it's just a she's a very kind person and very very um genuine which was really nice to see with somebody such a huge

phenomenal career did you ever ever think of maybe quoting a line from alien no but i asked her a lot about really i was like please tell me if i'm annoying you but can i just ask you a million and one questions you know and she was very kind in answering most of it and also just some of you know i know some really random movies that she was in like death and the maiden which is based on a play yeah it's her and ben kingsley how about the uh where she played uh jane goodall yeah of course gorillas in the mist yeah yeah and interesting to hear her um talk about some of her frustrations in the industry and like all that shit and it was just like i learned so much from her that's so cool it was really incredible but and also a great project by the way like i'm very proud of that what's

called again the good house the good house so like you got all this stuff you've got two kids You got a six-year-old and a three-year-old. You got Ben, your husband. He's on Broadway now. Yes. I've got my 19-year-old dog. You got a 19-year-old dog. Good on you.

I was just talking about my little doggy Irv, and he's going on 12. And he's, you know, he's getting old. He's getting old. He's getting. People are like, why are you yelling at your dog? I'm like, I'm yelling because you can't hear. No, Rudy hits every chair in the house every day. It's really sad.

Well, is he blind to? He's blind, and the kids are, you know, they make a mess. And they, like, after breakfast or whatever, the dining of tables, chairs will be everywhere. And he just, like, if everything is not in its place, he runs into it. Does he get hurt? No, not seriously hurt. It's just really sad. This has been a real treat.

What's your Instagram and Twitter and your phone number for the fans? My phone number. My phone number is. What's your Twitter and your Instagram so people can follow you? It's my name. At Marina Backron. At Marina Backron. Have we left anything out?

Is anything you want to talk about? I mean, there's a million things we could talk about life, anything. But you'll come back. you said you're going to come back and do the video yes right yes i mean this is i've been waiting i've been wanting to do this i'm so glad you did we were able to have a short dinner yeah and talk about life yeah i'm extremely proud of you i'm so glad you're i mean you seem happy and content and i know your periods rough you talked about that ad nauseum but you know look you know yourself yeah you know when you drink on new year's eve the next two days you're going to feel like

shit. And when you mix in a period with that, you're going to feel a little bit worse, right? Totally. Give yourself a break. Say, hey, I'm not feeling great and I'll bounce back. But I think it's really important to, um, honor yourself. And that's a hard thing to do. To say, you know what? I'm going to stop drinking or I'm going to do whatever the thing is that I need to do to get myself feeling better. Yeah. You know, this has been great. Ryan, you have fun. Yeah, great time. Did you take some good notes over there? I did because you told me to take notes. So I took. Yeah. Well, we could talk about them later. All right.

Marana Backin, thank you for allowing me to be inside of you. It's been a joy, a pleasure. I love you. I will always love you. I think you're one of the best out there. And I'll be calling you about your R. Butler and potentially Scorney Weaver.

Thank you, Rosie. Love you too. Love you too. I mean, I love you. Thanks for listening. Guys, Marina Backron. Come on. She's just so fun to be around.

Why? You just like, I want to just hang with her all night. Yeah. I did, actually. Yeah, you did. I left and you guys were still hanging. Yeah, we had dinner. We facetined her husband.

There's nothing like lonely single guy hanging out with a beautiful Brazilian bombshell, FaceTiming her beautiful husband, Ben, who I love. It was cool. It was neat. And you can see how much they love each other. And I like this interview because I've been trying to get on the show forever. And you're married and you live in New York and you're constantly working. You know, the last thing I want to do is say, well, you come on my podcast when you come out to California.

And I was like, but she was cool. She found out like, hey, I'm coming out. Do you want to do this podcast? And I'm like, uh, yes, let's do it. She came over, we got food, and it was a nice time. I want to talk about the fans of the show and people who listen and how much it means to a lot of people out there that are listening. And if you're listening, it obviously means something to you.

So I will say that some of these people who write these emails, I read them. And this is from Greenville, South Carolina. Billy says, I love the podcast. It has something for everyone. It's fun hearing everyone's stories, including yours. I'm glad that you do this podcast. It's therapy for you. It's very inspiring to know there are people out there who generally want to do good.

You might just be one of my favorite people in the world. Laugh out loud. For real, though. You're doing an amazing job, amazing things, and I hope you get to a point where the podcast and touring with the band is all you need to do. Keep kicking ass and saving the world out there. Live, love, and be happy, dude. Well, I thank you for that.

You know, it's hard for us to always say thank you. Here's another letter that I just really think is cool. It's from Mary Ellen. And Mary Ellen says that she was a special education teacher for several years and has a special place in her heart for kiddos with ADD and ADHD. Hmm. Rings a bell. And listening to the interview with Laura Vandervort,

I'm feeling energized and inspired to go back to school after a break and really help my fifth graders to become the shining stars. I believe each child can be. This has been a hard holiday season. and I've been wasting a lot of time. You reminded me I needed structure or I'd get lost in the dark, depression and loneliness. I am planning on going to Denver to see you in Tom in July.

I've never been to an event like that before. My son who lives with me and who introduced me to Smallville last January when I was going through chemo thinks I'm crazy. But I really like the message on the T-shirt that you posted on the Patreon site. I have to write my own story and it's not over yet. Thank you so much. Much love and God bless. Miss Mary Ellen, elementary school teacher.

I mean, when you hear that stuff, you're like, God, I did something awesome. Like, I did something that affected someone else, man. It's cool. Like, kids need attention. And when you have ADD and no one knows what to do about it, you still need care. You still need love. You're going to be effed up. I'll tell you that.

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and vortex good old vortex thank you patrons for making life better making the podcast better and we're growing man we're getting the video out soon um we have to set it up and then we're going to start interviewing people i hope uh the guests like it because they're getting they're getting filmed ryan i you know some people go well what if they don't open up as much then we'll get rid of it we're just got we got to give it a chance you got it you got to all the kids are doing it and i think it's going to be neat i might have to dress a little nicer But maybe in the cuts, you know, I could look a little, you know, maybe the shots can all be on the guest.

You could have this be your uniform. You know, this could just be your sweats and a t-shirt. Yeah? I never seem to get out of this. You know, and when I dress nicely on the internet, you know, when I put like, oh, look at this, this is from my photo. You know, like, Rose Mom, you look so good. You look so nice.

And I could tell they're saying, stop dressing like a fucking slob, dude. I know that's what they're saying. And they're right. But I just, I'm colorblind, and it takes a lot every day to go, am I matching? I don't want to deal with this. I'm going to wear sweatpants. So you wear sweatpants because you're colorblind?

I need a woman who just accept sweatpants. Whether we go out to a fancy restaurant or not. Hey, I want to remind you guys that the inside of you store is still around. And we still sell a lot of stuff, but I don't promote it a lot, but we still got great hats and great freaking mugs. I love the mugs. We got shirts. So go to the inside of you store.

You'll even see Left on Laurel, the band that I'm in. You know, you'll be able to see all our merch. We've got crazy fun merch. So if you feel so compelled, I think that's about it. Thank you so much. We've got great stuff coming to you. Next week's guest is going to blow your freaking minds. I know it.

Let's end this with a little bit of a song from the Left on Laurel album. I don't know. Let's go with the 10. All the trophies on my shell I still can't take a look in myself I knew it told me time and time again that you were just looking for people.

now you're leaving nothing we can do all right when a fart of pieces you don't stay the night I'll look in the mirror everything's all right I got half a tank of gas I'm on the 10 round east and out of sight.

Hi, I'm Joe Saul-Chi, host of the Stacking Benjamin's podcast. Today, we're going to talk about what if you came across $50,000. What would you do? Put it into a tax-advantaged retirement account. The mortgage. That's what we do. Make a down payment on a home. Something nice.

Buying a vehicle. A separate bucket for this addition that we're adding. $50,000. I'll buy a new podcast. You'll buy new friends. And we're done. Thanks for playing everybody. We're out of here.

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