Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - MORENA BACCARIN: Deadpool Situation, Impostor Syndrome, Chaos with Ben McKenzie & Firefly Reunion

Episode Date: April 4, 2023

Morena Baccarin (Deadpool, Gotham) rejoins us this week to share her side of the situation with Deadpool 3 while remembering fond times on set with Ryan Reynolds and traumatic underwater stunts that got cut. Morena talks about thriving in the chaos of being a working mother of three and how her husband, Ben McKenzie, has been helping sound the horn against the current crypto bubble in his new book. We also talk about her thoughts on a return to Firefly, how she was involved in the It’s Always Sunny origins, and why she still struggles with impostor syndrome despite success throughout her career. Thank you to our sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/inside 🟠 Discover: https://discvr.co/3Cnb1V8 🧼 Dove Men Plus Care __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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They made these statues. are like of me from smallville these bronze statues like they're expensive stuff like and so we just made nine and so you know i was like hey let's see it's something different let's see if people want them are unique they're signed by me so i don't check that shit out if you want anyway marina backeran is awesome she's a friend she did a movie with me called back in the day which not a lot of people saw but people saw it mostly like it except critics um and uh she's done so much i mean homeland and um greenland a lot of lands um serenity and v and i can go on and on deadpool one deadpool two we talk about uh her possible return for deadpool three we'll see what

happens and uh she's just always great we talk about family and life and stress and how she deals with it and we talked a lot about a lot of good stuff she's so easy to talk to and uh i just love this girl I do in a very friendly way because she's got a heart of gold and I've known her for God, 10 years now and yeah, beautiful inside out and let's just do it. Let's get inside of Marina Baccarin.

It's my point of view. You're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. I got a joke for you. What? A guy comes out of the bathroom and says to his wife, I looked in the mirror and I am old. I am wrinkly.

It's disturbing. I look disgusting. Please just tell me something nice about myself. She says, well, you have perfect eyesight. Come on. Good dad joke. start off the day how's it you're full of dad jokes i am yeah i am what i love about you how's uh how's old ben mackenzie doing um speak jokes uh he's good he's got some good dad jokes

too um it's pretty bad he's really into that kind of humor he's doing great he's about to release his book a book yes you got to talk to him he um during the pandemic he went down this whole rabbit hole of like, well, first, you know, oh, my God, I'm stuck in a house with my entire family for how long? Then he started to play the market and then, I don't know, he can explain this better than me. Long story short, he started to follow crypto and realized like, this shit's fucked up. And so then he started betting against it and making money. Betting against crypto. Yeah.

And then he realized that he, that it's a bubble, that it's going to burst. and that it's all fraud and he started writing a book about it and literally everything started to fall apart as his book is coming out. Are you serious? Yes. He should be in the stock market. He should be like on Wall Street. He should be. He actually has a degree in economics, but he decided to become an actor. How am I, how do I, I'm just so bad with numbers and money and understanding things. And I feel so like, you know, when my business manager sits there and goes all right well this is and I go well what's that it's one it's I'm not as bad so my stepdad love him nice guy and I'm not kidding he talks like this Michael your mother was

fucking up the television can you can you come over and do something that's Gordon but Gordon I don't know if I should tell this story I mean it might Yeah. So my friend was selling their house. Okay. And we're just going to make up numbers. It's in Indiana. It's not a lot of money for an Indiana house. But let's say he said, look, we want to sell your house for $100,000. And Gordon said, okay. And then my buddy came back and said, okay, we're going to, we're going to sell it now for $90. We're going to go for $90. He goes, well, who gets the $10,000? He goes, what are you talking about? He goes, well, you said a hundred, but now we're selling it for 90. He sounds like you're a stepdad. Who gets what I'm talking about, my stepdad. Oh, okay.

I thought you were talking about your friend. Sorry. I know. Who gets the 10,000? It's like, Gordon, let me explain something to you. If you sold a car for $20,000 and the guy wanted just to pay you 15 instead, you understand what I'm saying? And you said yes? oh to this day my friend kent's like you cannot tell gordon about i said that he'll be pissed

i think it's hilarious though but i'm not as bad as that i think numbers are you have to have a certain kind of brain to understand i'm terrible at numbers i i'm doing this at dinner to calculate it you know what i mean did you do that on purpose did you marry someone who is just like you want no that was a bonus that was not part of the something i knew about about so what was it i mean look obviously he's a good looking guy he's smart but was it because you just had a crush on jim gordon detective gordon or like that on his giant penis i mean oh welcome to welcome to the podcast inside of you brought to you by viagra whoa he's got a big one joking i mean whatever everything is good there if if he yeah what it was i i i for me

everything is about emotional connection and we connected in a way that I hadn't ever with anybody and that was it they got you he got me we got each other what kind of baggage does he get when he marries someone like you a very fiery Brazilian gorgeous talented I am perfect I don't have any flaws being married to me is a walk in the park what's the one thing that he that you know that he struggles with that just like he's like oh my gosh this we're talking about this yesterday actually i thrive in chaos he wants to run and hide i during the pandemic i was like oh my god we get to be home all the time together everybody he's like ah you know um when usually between like 4 p.m and bedtime my house is utter chaos the kids are home from school everybody's got energy we try to get

them outside when we can't you know my nine-year-old is hitting the soccer ball against the TV the baby is screaming about something and the seven-year-old is just trying to figure out how she can fit in one of the worlds that you know she's like the typical middle child like what do I do kind of thing and it's utter chaos and dishes are clanking and dinner's being made and then clean up and all that and Ben is not around during this time he's like on a meeting out for a walk he's like tell me when dinner is did that bother you did that bother you in the beginning where you're like no you have to kind of help me with this yeah I mean it does it bothers me still and we talked about it last night I was like I need you around like I want you around like I want to hang out with you

like it's not even like help me I don't hang out their children oh my god yeah I think I'd be that too I think I'd be overwhelmed and you're not overwhelmed you're sort of you thrive in chaos like you said. It's driving chaos. When things are hard, when I have a job and I'm worried about the kids and there's something going on at the school and whatever, like, I'm like, okay, I'm going to get all the stuff done. However, I do, like, lose it.

I mean, I obviously have a threshold. For me, it's the whining. It's like certain things, like, really trigger me big time. Yeah. Are you a screamer? Are you a screamer? I can yell. Are you, is it a powerful yell or more like, Arthur, do not do that.

no it's not that controlled it's like oh my fucking god everybody shut up you know but i finally lose it and what happens do they pay attention yes everybody goes oh you know and ben does not do that ben's more like okay let's just calm down here you can get snippy you know he can get like just stop doing that you know oh my gosh i just what i don't understand is how people have you know couples have like three kids and they have careers how does ben have time to write a book during all this how do you have time to prepare for movies learn your lines do end game which obviously got canceled thanks for bringing that up and um all these things that you do but how do you how do honestly i mean it's it's a like i i couldn't do that if i don't have my you could you could your

capacity grows for like for chaos for getting shit done like you suddenly find hours and time where you didn't before it's not easy i'm in a perpetual state of forgetting something or dropping the ball somewhere or not being there for someone all the time there is no you just become more accustomed to like disappointing everybody all the time you know like friends and work and sometimes i show up to work and i'm like oh fuck that's the scene we're doing today shit i forgot to look at it you know it's it's it's chaos but But if you're present with it, like, it's, it is, it's fine. Like, I don't know. I think, you know, I sort of, I'm okay with that.

He, he needs more, Ben needs more structure. He got an office out of the house in order to write this book. And he gave himself, like, X amount of hours a day. Like, I'm at this office no matter what happens or what's going on at home. And for the most part, he stuck to it. Is there a rule like you can't call me unless it's, no, there's no rule. He's very responsive if I need something. And I've learned that he goes.

like in and out like he's really focused hard in and then he's like fucking around for 10 15 minutes and then he's like back you know like we all have our ways that we work but I know that he works you know he leaves sometimes at 6 or 630 before anybody's even up and then comes home but that's when I'm like okay then you're home for the evening I want to see your fucking face so you I'm sensing that you miss him you miss each other of course I do well that's And that's what's great, too, is having the space. Yeah. And there's plenty of time for passion.

There is because we're doing different things, and we have things to talk about. And we have passions outside of each other. I mean, whenever he's like, he just shot a pilot. I, it was in Vancouver. I had shot a movie. He came and he dumped the kids off with me in Atlanta when I was finishing. He went off to do a pilot. I brought the kids home.

We sort of like tag team parented. We hadn't seen each other in like two months other than like, one or two nights and then you have something to talk about. You wanna hear about each other's jobs, works, or whatever, and check in with each other again. It's kind of great. All right, enough about Ben and his huge penis. You know, what's up at Deadpool 3?

You know, fans wanna know, any scoop? Yeah, what is up with Deadpool 3? That's a really good question. I have to be very diplomatic about what I say here. I'd like to be in it. they have called me about being in it. Right now, we have not agreed on terms. And everybody's trying their best and doing their best,

but it may or may not work out. I don't know. All right. But you're an integral part of that, you know, series? What would you call it? I'd like to think so. I do think that this movie, since the acquirement of, you know, this Deadpool universe by Marvel Disney, all that thing, all that merger that happened.

I do feel like they're trying to reinvent it a little bit. I think this movie is going to be much more about Wolverine and Deadpool. And that's known, right? That's not a secret. Yeah, yeah, that's known. Yeah, he's, I mean, he was going to be a huge part of it. I'm sure he'll be great. Now, do you and Ryan ever, you just text each other like, hey, congratulations on that,

or hey, what's up? How are you? Yeah, I do all the time. whenever he has children, which now is a lot of them. I'm always congratulating him on that. I also do get called a lot too. He has a lot of honors. He's a lot of like, he was being honored by,

I think lately it was the Cinematheque organization, whatever the fuck they're called. And then there was like some Canadian award. And they want, they've been wanting me to do videos not stop for that stuff. And I'm like, Ryan, one more and I'm done. That's it. But I love him.

I really do. He's a great guy. he's a really um straight shooter hard worker fucking funny a shit and he's there for you when you're doing your lines when you're he's he's he's right there because some actors yeah yeah he's very um he's present and he's uh a team player he's always trying to improve you know like i don't i'm not a a sensitive actor in that sense of like if you have an idea for me i'd love to hear it i you know i'll try anything um if you're going to make me better a fantastic So he's we work well together in that way he you know he's very hands on and he's like try this

So what about that or does this make sense and you know changing lines all the time whatever and it's fun really so you're all It keeps you on your toes. It definitely keeps you on your toes. There's a lot of improv that happens a lot of improv. Do you like that or do you like I'm sort of a scripted person? I don't want to know my stuff and but I don't like people throwing shit at me I think depending on what you're doing um if you're doing shakespeare I certainly don't want to improv that shit but if you're doing something like Deadpool, it's fun, you know, especially if you know a character really well, you can have a good time, but it can also be really scary. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money, period. It's Rocket Money. It's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills

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underwater in a chair tied to a chair, like that gave me anxiety just hearing that because I don't like being underwater. In fact, I'd rather be in space alone than underwater alone. I totally hear that. That was one of them, like the most difficult. thing i've ever had to do at work was a traumatic was a traumatic it was a traumatic it was i i think about that and i go like i can't breathe and it wasn't even in the film made me so what what exactly happened so they put you under there you didn't have any kind of well what it was

just a it was a giant tank and it was used for the second film because my character is spoiler alert dead and um she's in this ethereal universe and so they were going to try to take our movements underwater and make it look like we weren't we weren't underwater i think there's a green day music video like this where like you know like the hair starts to float and my boobs were like up to here which is one of the reasons why it really didn't work because i'm in a tank top and like my foods are here you know everything floats um so we trained to be underwater doing dialogue and they sunk the entire apartment in a tank underwater uh and we had to be restraint not restrained but weighed down so that I could sit in a chair because you float

and it had to be deep enough where you could get lights and cameras and things in there and the director spoke to us through like a speaker underwater and I had a diver at my feet who was ready to give me oxygen when I needed it but it wasn't an you know it had a roof like I was in an apartment so it had like an escape hatch that you had to swim to find but it was also really dark, you know, and it was panic-inducing. And I really was just the whole time working on, like, I can do this. Like, I'm just taking deep breaths. I'm only 10 feet underwater.

Like, it's not a big deal or, you know, it was awful. And every time I needed, you go like this and they come and they give you. And I would panic that, like, if I don't have enough air left to blow out the bubbles and then be able to take a deep breath, if I choke on this thing, 10, 15 feet underwater, that's a long way up to, like, be choking. you know yeah i i had the same thing on the pilot of small ball i thought they'd fire me i was in a 12 foot tank and listen to this they put me in a port like the porch that clark rescues me from and i'm in there and they put weights on me and i could hear the director and it's this murky water

it's supposed to be a lake and i go no no no no no and i freak out and i go up to the top and like the third time i go tom i go they're going to fire me i can't do this i can't do this i can't This is, I'm having flashbacks. It was just, yeah, it's awful. I finally got it and it worked, but it was absolutely terrifying. It's horrible. Yeah, and I didn't have to really have my eyes open. Your eyes had to be open.

That was, yeah, so that was the other thing I think that made it worse was we were talking to each other. We couldn't have bubbles coming out because it was supposed to not look like we were underwater. So we had to like, you have to release a little air, clear all the bubbles from your face, make sure you can open your mouth on top without a bubble coming out, do the dialogue scene, and hang out there and wait, take a breath and do it all over again and keep and have your eyes open as I could barely see him. What they didn't anticipate was that there's particles and things in the pillows that were attached to the couch, the wood credenza, whatever the fuck. Like things had, it started to float into the water and both Ryan and I got really severe.

your eye infections. Are you serious? We couldn't open our eyes for like two days. Did they have to like cancel production for two days? Yes. So it's pretty much like pink eye. It kind of, but worse. Like it felt like I had razors in my eyeballs.

Like I couldn't open my eyes. Were you miserable, honestly? Like were you like miserable to be around? You were so miserable? No, I was like a good sport about it. And then I like cried when I got home. You did? Why did you cry?

Because of the fear. had a baby my baby was with me i'd like a four or five months frankie was five months old at the time or something and our nanny who had been on the clock for like 12 hours and then i get home and i can't even open my fucking like on the car ride home i was like this and i was just like please just let it get easier you know and then i would try to open my eyes and it felt like razor blades and i'm like at home with a baby and i can't even open my eyes i'm like how am i going to put her to bed oh my god it's really traumatic that that just sounds horrible I mean, they sent baskets and baskets of things and, like, doctors.

And they're like, we're so sorry. And everything was fine. I recovered totally fine. There weren't any lasting damages. But it was like, it was harrowing. How many takes? It was, I think, like a 14-hour day, like underwater. So I don't know how many takes, a million takes.

Oh, my God. Did you ever panic and go? I got to go up. I got to go up. Yes. How many times? And towards the end, I was looking at the director of David Leach. And I was like, I'm done.

I was like, I can't. I just, I can't do this anymore. And he's like, just one more time. Just one more time. We almost got it. I'm like, okay. And he said that for like two hours, you know. And were you bummed?

Did you ever see the footage? I never saw footage. I got a, I saw a photo, like a screenshot. Would you love to see the footage? Or do you just want to put that? You would. Well, guys, start tweeting the director. What's his name?

David Lynch. David Lynch. Leach. David Leach, I know, I know. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God, that's traumatic. Have you ever had any other traumatic experiences on set? I just did.

On what? I just showed a movie called The Elevation. Who's in it? Where we were, it's, it's, it's sounds preposterous, but it's really actually awesome. It's set above 8,000 feet. It's at a time where there are these bugs, these things kind of catched out of the earth and sort of just annihilating people. And if you live above 8,000 feet, they can't go above that.

And so there's this refuge, and, you know, we've been living like this for years, and I'm a scientist, and I'm trying to figure out how we kill these things. And we have to go on this journey, me and Anthony Mackey, to the hospital, because he needs something for his kid who's got an illness, and I need to go to my lab to get the thing that's going to help us figure out how to kill these things. And through this journey, obviously, we encounter them, we run, we are, you know, It's really cool. And one of the things that we have to do, we're on a ski run and we're trying to get

out, we're trying to get above 8,000 feet as fast as possible. We decide to use the ski lift. But these things start knocking down the lines and the thing like drops. Like we're in a ski lift that is in the film. It's supposed to be like, I don't know, 30 feet in the air or something. And then it just like drops down. Obviously, they weren't going to put us on the ski lift and drop us 30 feet. But on the sound stage, they rigged this whole thing.

and they put us up there, 20 feet. I don't actually know how many feet, but then it drops. And I was not prepared. I don't do roller coasters. I don't do fast rides. Like, I have severe anxiety, but I don't skydive. I'm fine, just going for a run. Right.

And I'm on the ski lift, and they're like, we're just going to drop you, and it'll be fine. and then you have to jump out, but only when after it stops swinging. And I'm like, so much information, the thing drops. I felt my stomach inside my mouth. I was like, oh, my God. And EPK was running. And I literally turned to the track.

Fuck you. Were you serious? Yes, I was serious. I just started screaming. I was like, I'm not doing that again. I was shaking. Oh my God, but you did it again. One more time.

Who was the director? This guy, George Nolfi. Wow. You know, I'm sure this is going to be great. Elevation, when is it out? I don't know. It's an indie. So they're still, they're still, you know, putting it together.

There's still some special effects. I need to go in. So probably a little while, but it's going to be cool. I saw Greenland. Would you say Greenland or Greenland? Greenland. it's a difference. Greenland. Ryan? Greenland. Greenland. I don't know.

Greenland. I say Greenland. Like Newfoundland? Greenland. New Queensland. I don't know. It's what I think. I saw Greenland. No, see, I wasn't right. Greenland. Greenland. Greenland. And I used to play hockey with the director. His name's Rick Wage, you know. I love Rick. Yeah. let me tell you he's a good director yes his movies the some of the movies aren't you know as good as others but like greenland was really good and felon was really good yeah um he and and that was

an action movie i really enjoyed it and you see it and you're like oh i know what this is it's going and i had so much fun with it and gerard butler was great your chemistry was great you're emotional you're real you're playing such a a crazy situation but i think that's the key as an actor to really commit, really be as grounded as you can be, and that's the only way for a movie like that to work. Agreed. And I think that's what attracted me to that part so much was that there was an emotional anchor. You know, it was a little, of course, we were shooting green screen and watching comets flying from the sky. Sorry, there's a giant. Yeah, it's New York. It's Brooklyn, whatever, wherever you live, Queens. New York. Yeah, whatever.

do you know one time i was in and i'm going to finish that thought but i was i was in new york city and i was walking down the street and these uh ambulances drove by loud weirons blaring and this woman goes shut up and i go they're saving people and i don't she got annoyed with ambulance are just so annoyed at everything stop stop it You don't have to be that loud safety. Like it's a petulant child. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, Greenland.

Anyway, yeah. I just, you know, I had a very strong emotional anchor. I have kids. I lose my kid in that movie. I can't imagine anything horrible, more horrible for a parent. And so it was really easy to tap into it. Not easy, but palpable. And then same with this movie I just did.

The character has a lot of baggage. And there's a lot of like emotional, strong stuff that anchors the story. And I can't do a movie where I'm, I'm just like, I don't know. I can't imagine being on a set and having to act and have no emotional connection to my character or something that I'm playing that I give a shit about. Yeah, I feel, I feel that way. I mean, I understand.

Like you're, I think now in your career, it's like, if there's not substance, if there's not something that I can really grab, it's not worth it. Unless it's a lot of money. Or a lot of fun. A lot of fun. A lot of fun. A lot of money, a lot of fun, or really good. Yeah.

Would you do one of those or a combo of those? I mean, you've got all three, you hit the jackpot. Would you do something that is just not going to be any fun? It's not going to be much money, but it's good. Yeah. Really? It's good? Absolutely.

I have this, like, art, this, like, desire to, like, make art, which we don't get to do, really. That's awesome. You're so Juilliard. I know. I can't believe you in. plays anymore forget that you won't do plays not unless it's phenomenal but I can't I am exhausted at the idea getting paid $800 a week if you're lucky to get up there for three hours a night and like exercise your soul you know

like I just can't do it and it's stress you're stressed all day you're thinking about the show it's all day it's just about not being paid that much it's also just like the emotional roller coaster at I I love filming I love movies TV shows you get to like home the performance and like think about it and like fine tune it like there's something really satisfying about that inside of you is brought to by rocket money if you want to save money then listen to me because I use this Ryan uses as so many people use rocket money it's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted

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She's good. Yeah, now I'm like, whoa, no wonder she won best actor. I mean, she was on another level. And the work she put into it. But then I read that you were her understudy and the Siegel, Chekhov's the Segal. How close were you with her? Not that close.

I mean, she was a big star at that point already. And I was just graduating school. And I was an understudy, which, you know, there's a definitely higher Keegan theater. I was jealous. I was pissed. I was very nice, of course, but insulin. I was dying. I was like, I want to play this part so badly. And I got to do it once. I got to do it for a dress rehearsal. And it was awesome. I learned so much. But I think also being young and having just graduated Juilliard and having a chip on my shoulder, I was like, I should be doing this part. But I think, you know, the me of today, we very much appreciated that she was, she was really, like, working hard and putting herself out there.

That is, that is not an easy role. Was she nice, though? She was super nice. Just super focused. We didn't hurt her that well. She was super nice. I mean, that had to be nervous for an understudy to, I mean, do you have to watch every show? Yeah.

You have to be there every night. You have to watch every show? I mean, you listen backstage. You know, when they're in the performances, like, you're not in the audience. but you're there just in case. How many performances do they do of that show? That was not that much because of Shakespeare in the park. So I think it's a limited run.

It's like four weeks or something. Right. All right. So that's not bad because I was thinking you were on there for three, six, eight months doing the scene. No way. No way could I do that? No way. No way.

Wow, though. I mean, that's, I mean, really they say, you know, people will come up to me or they'll come up to other actors and they'll say, how should I get started? I'm like, do theater, take class. you have to it's all about experience it's all about learning the crap people think they could jump in and a lot of people do especially nowadays with the you know youtubeers and all the how do you feel about all that it's a very sad day when my my nine-year-old was like I'm going to be a YouTuber I was like no but that's what they all say now you know yeah I guess I mean I don't know it's all i think it's an oversaturation of life like if some things aren't left to the imagination

or a mystery what's the point you know yeah yeah no i i agree i agree what um do you still get i know you have kids i know you have chaos you thrive in chaos we've talked about that but do you still get like real anxiety or deal with any kind of like depression or things and how do you work around that my god for sure i two things i do with, I struggle with quite a bit. One is PMS, like legit depression from PMS, debilitatingly so. I take a very low dose Prozac when I'm PMSing and then I stop. I just need to take it for like a short period of time and then the rest of the month I don't need to be on it. But I've noticed that is a gain changer for me and I had a stigma around that for the longest time. My doctor

had suggested it forever ago and I was like, I don't need antidepressants. I'm not depressed like uh but i was like why am i not trying something that my doctor is going to is telling me it might work um i stopped snapping at my kids my husband my you know like the the part that made me um like just have like a low threshold for emotional stuff like kind of went away it's crazy and awesome it's really a game changer and i highly recommend that women take it seriously seriously, PMS is something that is seen as like optional or like you're making a big deal out of it. It's legit.

And as you get older and you have kids and all that stuff changes constantly. That and then anxiety at work, like I still, when I get a script or it's my first day on the job, like I don't sleep the night before. I'm always terrified. I'm going to put up. I'm terrified. I'm not going to disappoint everybody. They're going to be like, oh, we're worried her, you know, every time.

Still get that. Every time. And then once you're complete a scene or find it, and you're like, okay, then you're good. Yeah, I have this thing where I feel like I'm going to be found out. Always. We all have that. Yeah. This is the job where they're like, oh, she's not that talented.

She's just pretty. It's fine. You know, and every time I am genuinely shocked, surprised, happy that somebody takes me seriously and that somebody goes, you have something to offer. Of course I do and I should earn that and believe that. and like come in with that right this is why i think men are a lot more successful at times than women is like i get like i feel like i don't deserve it or something it's yeah that's silly to think that you don't deserve it and you know it's funny as i'm saying that because i i do the same thing why are you nervous why are you not trusting yourself and sometimes

you could be so great in a scene so committed so intense so everything you knew you could do deep down and it works but then the next time you forget about how good you are and you're back to square one all insecure unsure of yourself and i'm like i have to be insane yeah yeah you know it's crazy it's crazy and it's crazy making because i think and and this is where i do think this like small amount of prozac has helped um is that it shuts that down a little bit for me that's more associated with anxiety or whatever, but the self-doubt part, I think comes from like a depression or like a value thing, you know,

and it shuts that down a little, and it makes me able to be a little bit more daring, a little bit more, let me see what happens if I do this thing that I want to do. Yeah, you know, I really appreciate you talking about that because I never, I've never had any guest or anyone talk about like PMS and depression with that and taking Prozac and like the stigma that's attached to all these antidepressants or anti-anxiety, but people's brains are different.

Genetics are different. Sometimes you're inherently, you have these things and it's how you deal with them. Like, I don't need this. I don't need that. I'm, it's all natural. I could beat this. Sometimes you need a little help. Therapy, whatever it is.

It makes things easier. Why not make things easier for yourself? A million percent. focus on the harder stuff yeah i agree i think that's awesome i didn't know that i always thought you know women had pMS and they're like oh here we go this is this it's this time all right this is this is the week this is yeah you know right steer clear steer clear and i'm like oh but i didn't realize how severe it can be for a lot of women yeah i have a friend who is also something called pmdd which is something nobody talks about which is extreme pms where like you really like

Some women get suicidal during that time. That's intense, man, to deal with that monthly. It's like postpartum. Yeah. I mean, that's what it sounds like. It's like, you know, that stuff's real. I remember, I don't talk about it much, but my friend Nate, he was married and this wonderful woman, Amy, and they just had their newborn, Alexa, Alexis, Alexis. And his mom call me one day.

She goes, hey, Mike. And I'm like, hey, mama, Mama Shepherd. What's up? Amy's gone. And I go, oh, my God, they broke up? No. He goes, no, no, we lost her. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah, she, um, she overdosed accidentally on sleeping pills, like took the whole bottle and didn't wake up. And there were some signs, but they just didn't. didn't know. So this shit is real. And I had to fly back the neck. I flew to Indiana the next day and stayed with him for two weeks and changed diapers till two in the morning, like every morning with him and stayed up with him and cried with him. And yeah, it's real. It's real. That's really, um, it's real. It's real. Um, would you ever do anything again with the whole Firefly Serenity world? Yeah. Maybe.

That wasn't too confident. I know. I just like, I like laying some things to rest. I love those people with all of my heart. I just kind of feel like it was what it was. And now we're like 20 years older and like, yeah, we should do a reunion. We should do like a podcast or a talk or like a one-off like friends did. That would be fun, right?

But I don't really need to resuscitate the show for me. I think he's still look young Hey thanks Yeah I do I think he's still like young You never talked about it But some actors have I had Nathan Filme on and stuff

And maybe you don't want to talk about it But what was your experience with Joss Whedon Oh, it was fine actually I have no like Horrible stories or feelings towards him He's you know He could be a little like egotistical And like but what showrunner is

I've not met a showrunner That is not overly confident But you never saw what the other people see. You just weren't. I didn't, which does not, let me just be very clear, invalidate anything or, or I'm not saying anybody's making anything up. Like, I, that was not my experience. Um, we got along well. I also think I, I don't, I mean, I've certainly experienced, um, sexism and, and weird situations at work like most women have. But I don't, it's, I don't, um, leave a lot of room for that if that makes sense like i i don't i'm kind of a straight shooter you know this about me so somebody is going to say something or do something i think i would deal with it immediately yeah oh yeah you would immediately if you don't like something you let everybody know yeah you have that marina look i know that look that you're in your lip you know you kind of like i just i i remember that look i remember being set with you and it was just it didn't happen often

but if you were like a little bit like okay what are we what's going on what's going on what are we doing like seriously and but you were nice about it you were just like everybody knew without you saying anything you know what i mean i have a feeling that ben probably knows that look he does he does but again serenity and firefly i understand it's like put it to rest it's like unless they came up with some great idea and they said this is going to be a one out movie um we're going to do for TV and it made sense and it was a great script you'd consider it maybe yeah for sure i mean i i love the group everybody has a very like honestly special place in my heart it was like my first tv job i was so excited and nathan was awesome like everybody was great i had like

nothing but good feelings about that but i'm also like i've moved on and i wouldn't even know what it would feel like to like go back and play that part again you know do you ever look back in all the people you've worked with and go man i can't believe that guy or that one and didn't become a star. Like, I really thought that person was going to skyrocket. You know, working with someone and going, this person, I'm trying to think of this person's got it. And then you're like, huh, whatever happened with them?

I mean, they work and stuff, but I always thought they'd be way bigger. Right, right, right. Interesting, right. It is interesting to think about. I wonder if people say that about me. Okay. No, I think everybody thought, oh, she's a star. I think when you have talent and looks both you you're it's a slam dunk with me it was like I had a

little talent I was okay looking so it was like I had to really push the talent part I had to really show people no no because I always fishing for a compliment no I swear to God because listen I always say this but like look when I was on smallville I mean look around me everybody was way better looking than me would you attest to to that Ryan, admit it. Are you fishing still? I'm not fishing. Tom, Kristen, Whitney.

Everyone was good looking because it was a WB show, CW show, and that includes you. Oh, yeah, right. Anyway, it's not about me. But yeah, but can you think of anybody or someone who you were like, no, this person's not going to be, or I didn't expect this person to be such the star they are. How about that? I honestly can't think of a. person, but I'm also somebody who like, in my younger days when I was working, I underestimated

everybody. And now I'm like the opposite where I'm like, oh my God, everybody's so amazing. Do you know what I mean? Because I also have respect. I think it comes with perspective of career, of how hard this is, of like the miracle of like, what is it? Five percent of members of SAG are working. Like, it's hard to do what we do and to consistently get jobs. But I don't know. I've never worked with anybody where I was like, oh, that person's going to be ginormous. Yeah. Yeah, all right. Always sunny in Philadelphia.

We both did the first season. You did the pilot. I love those guys. I love that Wrexom show about the soccer team. It's brilliant. McElhaney's awesome. He used to sleep on my couch. I don't know why he only gave me one episode of Sunny, but he did.

Thank you. I love you. He's not listening. And that's a show. show, which I told him on the podcast, which I don't know if he appreciated, but I'm very, you know, candid and open. I said, I did that. And I go, yeah, of course I'll do that. This will never do anything. What's a what? I just didn't, I never thought that that show would even, I mean, it became huge. Right, right, right. Because it wasn't because of the, the, the quality in terms of the writing and

the funny. It's a very specific kind of humor. It is. And it wasn't even that. It was just like I got there and there was i was sitting in a chair as my trailer outside and uh you know they had no money and uh you know we were just like going speed of light and it was like one take moving on and like it was it just felt like we're doing a student film and i was like huh i don't i don't what's going on did you feel that doing the pilot the conjuring last rites Hey, come down here, we need your help. Array! Hooray!

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Did we talk about the time? I don't think we talked about it. I don't remember. We were boyfriend, girlfriend, most of college, actually. He went to Juilliard? Yeah. And then I met. And then we moved out here and he always, he was, he's also another one that was like,

he's a really healthy ego. And I love it. Love the guy. We are friends still. He told me about the show when him and Rob were, and Charlie were like creating this. And this is what I mean about guys and girls. I wouldn't think to do that. I was 22 and I was like, I, what am I going to do between auditions? like i have to wait for somebody to call me and send me in an audition these guys were out there making shit they were like they borrowed a camera they would film things they lived on like crescent heights

or glenn did and they would like film things up and down and i was like what a bunch of losers you know like they're being creative they're using their smarts they're i mean why not why can't they do that right like i just did not give myself the permission and they did it and i'm like i think that's It's awesome. It was such a, that was such a huge lesson to me watching them go through that process. So I was not even in the pilot. I was in the, what would you call it? The pre-presentation.

Sizzle? Huh? Sizzle? Whatever. They shot a pilot themselves to show it to three arts to go, hey, will you help us produce this thing? And then they remade the pilot and I couldn't do it. But when we were doing that, I was like, this is so stupid.

But I had a great time. And then seeing it later, I was like, yeah of course it's their humor it's hilarious like it is who they are and they did it they did it it it comes to show you folks that you can do it yourself especially nowadays with the iPhone oh my god and we talk about it all the time and should you should just go shoot everything i should be going to do that this stuff and it's just like i have you know just go do it you have an idea shoot it if it sucks par for the course but if you learn something and it but you might just hit that lightning in a body you might just hit that lightning in a body

bottle. Yeah. But I remember they took that they showed me the pilot at my house. I had a little house that I rented had rats in the ceiling. Um, and I remember watching and I remember going. Yeah. All right, man. Good job guys. Awesome. Yeah. And they left and I go, good for them. But I just, how was that going to be on TV? I don't I don't get it. I mean, so that I didn't get it. I just was like it just doesn't look great. It's like, how many seasons in this year? 10. Dude, it's one of the most successful shows ever and it's a great show but like i would somebody saw if i was an executive i i would have been like oh no i don't think so and some smart nick grad over there at fx saw what it could be that's why there's sometimes there's guys or girls or whatever they that can

really make see something that we don't see yeah that's a gift man absolutely would you do that again if somebody goes hey we're going to do this like sizzle thing when you want to you be yeah and I have like I you know it's super fun Ben and I do stuff like that all the time actually we're trying to do a sell a eating show I guess cooking it's not cooking it's like it's about travel and immigration and culture and eating all right this is called shit talking with Morena back run these are yeah these are my patrons they make the show happen I love you guys Patreon.com slash inside of you to become a patron. And we're here with my dear, dear friend,

Marina. I hope her friends forever. I think we will be. No matter how famous you get, you're already really famous. I'm not that famous. But if I get more famous, I'll always be your friend. You'll even do the podcast. If you like get nominated for, if you get nominated for an Oscar or a Golden Globe, you already got nominated for an Emmy. No, you got nominated. Yeah, I didn't win. That's all right. Sorry to bring that up. But if you ever get nominated for an Oscar, you can't say oh i'm just doing so press i don't have time for your little podcast you have to do it we'll never say that michael you heard it here because that happens sometimes there's a couple of people that i'm like uh oh yeah he's just busy on a press story you fuck you

no way roj this is rapid fire tell me how your parents decided on naming you marina i think you said this before but go ahead yeah so my mom it you know this was the 70s in brazil um there's two stories i think she's lying about both but she had a makeup artist who was named of morena i think and and that inspired her and then uh she played a character that was a vampire whose name was marina maybe your mom did huh your mom played a vampire yeah she was an actor yeah yeah she played a vampire yeah but but with a portuguese accent well she spoke portuguese in it yeah that's in brazil that's what i meant i didn't say it right at all you don't do an accent when you speak the language but i know what you mean how is

would you play a vampire say it in portuguese say i'd like to suck your blood in portuguese come on do it do it say it say it without a smile now it was your basso sangue yeah oh no that was good that sounds dirty does it okay say um i will kill you if you don't obey me but say it but say it and don't blink It looks powerful. Just do it. Please do it. This is it, this is it.

I'm going to do it. I just can't look at you. If you're what you matthas if you don't have me of view. Ooh. If anybody's casting a Portuguese or a Brazilian vampireus, that's pretty good. Dana asks, what is your playlist of music, top three that you can't get enough of? Oh, my God. It's all over the place.

Billy Elish, any Billy Elish, like bad guy or addiction, flowers. I'm obsessed. I'm sorry. Can't stop. And calm down. That's Selena Gomez participation. I'm not, I'm being serious here. As you know, I'm stuck in the 70s, 80s, 90s.

I know I could not name one Billy Iler song if it was a gun to my head with a hundred or a hundred million dollars in front of me I could name no I could not name one song Selena Gomez I couldn't name one song rolling in the deep because I would really like that song you need to get with the times there's some good music out there is some good music there's this guy Gerardo Gerardo um Neil Gerardo not Neil Gerardo I forgot he's amazing my friend Kristen Ritter took me to see him last week and that name drop and he was really good um my appeal what is something you haven't done professionally that you want to a lot of things i haven't done a period piece like a legit period piece um can you do an english accent eventually i'm not even going to pull one out right now no i didn't ask you how about an irish one no way you had a sheep stealing hood and boston yeah maybe that's scottish scultish is more from the back your throat and irish you throw it forward i believe that's really good she could figure it out do that was that all right that's pretty good all right thanks ray h say uh congratulations on the baby congratulations on the baby all right

uh do you have any fun behind the scenes stories from the deadpool we just talked about that sorry ray jessica b have you ever found yourself in an embarrassing situation where you just wished to disappear. Every day, probably. Probably walking into a glass door at a birthday party. That was probably the worst one ever. Did it break?

No. Thank God. Michelle Kay, what's the one character that's stuck with you after you wrapped? You know, a lot of my characters stick with me. I have a real hard time being finished with a job. I get really, like, bumped and depressed and kind of, like, have this, like, weird transition back to life. And especially if I've been away from home, coming back, I call it the reentry, is really rough.

Yeah, because you give so much yourself. Yeah, and you're used to, like, thinking about that character and, like, having the time, the luxury to, like, obsess about it and how do they think and do things and how am I going to have. play the scene or whatever and then that person's just gone and you're like left with this void yeah what about like you know it was called end game it was a series i got canceled right how do you deal at this stage in your career because i'm sure like me in the beginning if something gets canceled or something doesn't happen you don't get the part it weighs on you more do you feel like you've matured or emotionally matured in your response physically and mentally to uh rejection or cancellation Yeah, I think, and this came with like having a family and, you know, focusing on really what's important.

It doesn't, I get bummed, you know, and especially if it's something I really love doing, it sucks. But you're like, okay, well, something else is coming up, I'm sure. Let me enjoy this time with my family. And then sometimes when you're doing something, you're like, this isn't as great as I thought it would be. I'd rather be home with my kids. And you're like kind of glad that something doesn't work out, you know. If Deadpool 3 doesn't work out for me, I'm going to be really bummed. It's something that I have a very deep emotional connection to and have been around since the beginning of it, you know.

But like, what can you do? Like, what's important is my life in front of me? Yeah. That was well said. Let me ask you this. Is there such thing as love at first sight? Is there such thing with Ben, obviously, discard the OC days, but Gotham Knights, I mean, is there such thing as when you know,

you know? Yeah. No hesitation there. Did you have honestly, and don't, don't milk it. I need an honest answer from your hair. Did you get like those butterflies, those endorphins for weeks when things started happening? Yeah, and I still do. This sounds so cheesy. We don't see each other for three weeks. Like, I went to Vancouver to visit him when he was shooting his pilot. We had two nights together.

And I saw him again. I was excited. Like, my heart started beating faster. You know, I genuinely believe that is a real thing. And it comes from a deep emotional connection. It comes from getting someone. in a way you know it's not just about looks or it's a chemical reaction to a person that Deadpool said you know the puzzle pieces fit together it's like that and i didn't believe in it

before i met ben i didn't either but maybe before you met ben before i met ben uh this is uh i knew it'd be easy i always go what are we going to talk about and then we just kind of talk Yeah it's great you so much insight like I really love the stuff that you were personal about in that and just life in general and I just and any new you have elevation that's I don't first of all I don't know how to be any other way I think it's part of I know that's why I love you that's like I you know me I'm open um elevation is a new new movie um I did this amazing movie also with Pierce Brosnan that Philip noise directed do you know Philip noise he

He did rabbit proof fence and salt and Patriot games. I mean, phenomenal director. We did this small indie. It was actually James Kahn's last film. I'm interviewing Scott next week, his son. Oh, wow. Yeah, loves up the street from me. Yeah.

He was a very sweet man. Anyway, I love this movie. It's sort of like about a pit man's last job, you know, and you know how that goes. What's it called? It's called Fast Charlie. I don't know when or if it'll ever come out. The producers are being difficult, complicated about finishing the film.

But I'm very proud of that. I think elevation will be good. And yeah. That's a lot. That's a lot. And you have a family. And what's Ben's book called? It's called Easy Money.

Easy Money by Ben McKenzie. And it comes out in July. In July. I cannot wait to read that. It's really cool. I've read it. He got an interview with Sam Bankman-Fried before the collapse of FtX.

Wow. It's really cool. I wouldn't even know what to say to it. So the crypto, how'd you get the name for that? One of the ad wizards who came up with this one. I love you. I do. I adore you.

I think you're an amazing. amazing human being. And I'm so happy that we got art, you got Francis, you got Julius, you got, you know, and you got me. Your fourth kid. Congratulations. Can I go play now, mom? That is literally the constant conversation in our house. It's like, do we have another one? What? You're thinking of having another one? Not really. Not in any serious way. I was going to have something personal. It's addictive to make people. I guess so, but like, do you use protection? I should.

I'm not going to get any deeper with that because I was going to say something. But like, it's possible that doing that, as we know, plan parenthood stuff here, Marina. You can have a fourth. I know. What would the name be, by the way, if you had another one? It's going to be a girl, by the way. It would be a girl.

A girl? Yeah. Maybe after my grandmother. What's your name? Naiz. Laiz. Laiz. Do you go by Marina Bacchranes, McKenzie, or just Marina backer?

Well, actually, Ben's last name is Shankin. So I changed my name to Morena set of Shankan, but I never use it because that's a tough one. Well, you could use it. You just say maybe you and Ben should stop shankin. and without protection. There you go. All right. I love you.

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Ryan? Yeah. Tired today? You yons quite a few times during the interview. With the interview? It was just long. It was a longer interview. You know, some of these interviews are like three hours, like Rogan. The interview for people three out. Can you imagine that? How lucky am I to be here where you stick to an hour?

Oh, yeah. How lucky am I? I don't want to talk more than an hour. I want people to listen on their way to work. And if they don't wrap it up, they can certainly finish it up in the first few minutes on the way home. I don't want people like going, oh, my God, I have to listen to this all week. To be clear, it was a good interview.

But you can feel when it's starting to get. at like the hour of 15, like, okay, it's, we're over, we're, we're for sure over an hour right now. And I can feel it in my legs. I can feel it coming in the air tonight. All right, thanks for listening. Michael, from the Hollywood Hills in Hollywood, California, I'm Michael Rosenbaum. I'm right.

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A separate bucket for this edition that we're adding. $50,000, I'll buy a new podcast. You'll buy new friends. And we're done. Thanks for playing, everybody. We're out of here. Stacky Benjamin's, follow and listen on your favorite platform.