Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - MORENA BACCARIN: Playing Hardball, Jumping Into CBS Spinoffs & Standing Up For Yourself

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Morena Baccarin (Deadpool, Greenland) joins us again this week to open up about the complexities of not taking things too personally but also having the backbone to stand up for yourself when someone crossed the line. Morena talks about the perspective she’s gained in motherhood and the difficult decision she made to jump back into network TV with upcoming CBS spinoff Sheriff Country. We also talk about her reflections on story arcs in Deadpool, why she’d be concerned with returning to Firefly, and fighting to get what you deserve. Thank you to our sponsors: 🚀 Rocket Money: https://rocketmoney.com/ (tell them we sent you!) ❤️ This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/inside and get on your way to being your best self __________________________________________________ 💖 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/insideofyou 👕 Inside Of You Merch: https://store.insideofyoupodcast.com/ __________________________________________________ Watch or listen to more episodes! 📺 https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/show __________________________________________________ Follow us online! 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🤣 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@insideofyou_podcast 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/insideofyoupodcast/ 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/insideofyoupod 🌐 Website: https://www.insideofyoupodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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she's got kiddos and she's working and we we really get into it and have a great conversation so i know you're going to like this so without further ado let's just get into it let's get inside of marina of backer. It's my point of view. You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. So the first thing you said was you like my mustache. I don't want to miss that. I want to keep that on film because you would have told me. I do like, I do like your mustache. and I would have told you if I didn't. And I actually think you should keep it.

Really? Yeah. You've got like a, you've got like a Gary Olman in playing James Gordon and like Gene Hackman thing happening. It's good. It's distinguished. You know what? Maybe this is what I needed to change my whole.

I think it's good to do that every once in a while. I think so too. Why have you thought about that? I mean, not growing a mustache, but like, doing anything really crazy like i don't know shaving your head yeah i have actually i've thought about that a lot shaving my head would be a thing my husband unfortunately would not go for it but i'll do it anyway at some point um i'm just not yet well wasn't your hair really short or i feel like it was shaved for v it was super super short for v yeah yeah yeah but i change my hair a lot because i get bored

how often when you're doing a project do you do they mess with your hair and try to make it unique and different to the character? Probably every time. Every time. Do you ever, do you ever have extensions? I've had extensions. I've had a wigs. I've had my hair cut for it. I've never really had it colored, like a totally different color. Would you do that? I could see you with like really red candy apple hair. Sure. That'd be fun. I bet Ben would dig that. Who cares? Who cares what Ben thinks? You care with Ben thinks. Of course I do.

Where are you right now? I am in my bedroom with my unmade bed behind me. You're in New York. You're in Queens? No. I'm in New York, Brooklyn. Brooklyn. Why do you look at me like Queens, really?

There's no one. No one lives in Queens. A lot of people live in Queens. I mean, some people live in Queens, but like not if you have to like get around a lot. It's hard. Yeah. A lot has gone. A lot has happened.

happened since we last talked. I mean, you've, obviously, you've got the family, you're dealing with that, you're working a ton. You know, I saw Greenland, by the way. Oh, which one? The first. There's another one? It's coming out. I didn't know if you got like a sneak peek or something. Yeah, it's coming out this year at some point. Is it called Greenland, too? That's right, because, you know, why do one disaster movie when another disaster could hit? I was surprised at how much I like that movie. Thanks. I actually really like it, too. I think it's really good. it's well made and it's intense yeah it's a fun watch and it's like not cringy you know no it's really like i feel like the the family stuff is actually really sweet and really anchoring

and the action is really exciting and jerry is like so good at that stuff that i think it makes for like a really good watch when you first hear we're doing a sequel to a movie is the first thing you think of oh i'm excited i'd love doing that i want to do that again or is the first thing you think go, oh, I'm going to get paid this time. Like, are you asking for Greenland specifically? I mean, Greenland, yeah. Sure. I didn't think, oh, I'll get paid this time because it's really hard.

It's always a battle. I don't know if it's me or if it's just like as a woman or like maybe I'm not a big enough star. I don't know. But like, it's always a battle to get what you deserve and any kind of pay equity with the dude. I can't really compare myself to Jerry Butler as well. far as like action movies go so like obviously he's going to get paid more than i am yeah but i'm doing

as much work if not more than he is in that film you know yeah no i i agree i think there's you know he's selling it so i get it yeah but also it's like i feel like if you're doing something and it's successful at least come in when you're offering someone to come back and play a part something that's it doesn't feel like a a dig like a you know like sort of like we're not

it's respectful something respectful comes in and you're like oh wow that's that's cool could we don't know that that's maybe happen like once yeah that doesn't happen 25 year career yeah it always feels like

I think the older you get and the more projects you do you realize that expect the worst expect that they're going to come in it's not about you or respect or anything it's just what that this is this is how it is yeah and it's and you have to really not take it personally and you got to be willing like you got to be willing to lose the job to play hard to hard ball you know which often I am and I think that you really like you're going to do a lot of work I think the part that feels insulting is that that is the assumption that we would do it for anything because we're desperate and that it's, you know, what we're doing is not actually hard because some of it is really hard.

Yeah. Well, it looks like it's a lot of work. It's a lot of emotions. It's a lot of physical stuff. And you usually shoot for a couple months, right? Yes. That movie in particular was probably two or three months. And then same for the sequel.

And we were, you know, no, you're not at home. My family is with me sometimes. sometimes not, the second one we shot in London and Iceland, and in the elements, running around, really physical work. And then I was, you know, I'm not going to name names, but, like, I just had to deal with a couple of difficult people. And it was like you're also, like, sometimes playing babysitter, you know? Yeah.

No, I can understand. Does Gerard Butler, does he, like, where's he from? He's from Scotland. Does he call you and go, Marina. Listen, we're going to do Greenland again, and it's going to be great. You've got to come aboard. His voice is the best voice ever. It's like, I actually save his voice messages because they're really fun to listen to.

Does he leave long-winded messages, like really nice? He does. He does because he often forgets to text back or, like, he'll open a text and start typing it and then forget to send it so that he, like, leaves me. He's like long-winded. I'm so sorry. His messages. And my kids, when they met him, they were like, they met him, whatever. and like my kids like were kind of tugging on my sleeve the first time they met him they were like three or three and five

they were like have boys I know that voice and it's from how to train your dragon you know which they love oh wow they recognize you don't forget a voice like that what what what kind of message is he leave did he call you about doing the project again was he the one I mean he did eventually I think leave a message about excited to jump in and do the project is he better looking in person I think he's a handsome man both honestly he's a great guy i love him very much he's a it's like a big teddy bear does uh ben ever say things like he's got a very useful spirit he seems like that does ben ever get like you work with a lot of you know these leading men and all this is he he doesn't seem like ben's like a jealous guy does he ever say anything about it like he's like oh don't want to work with the hunk again

huh we he jokes about it in the sense that like he's it's very sweet he um knows, he's like, I can't compete with that, you know, in a funny way. Like, he's just like, yep, there's Jerry. Jerry's a handsome man. But, like, he knows I don't want to be married to Jerry. You know, there's safety in the joking. Right. Yeah.

Because I'm sure there's a lot of guys that would be insecure about, you know, their wife going off and filming with a hunk because you hear about Hollywood. Yeah. You hear about things that happen. Of course. I mean, it does happen. I don't know what you're talking about. not meet my husband that way.

No, I know you didn't. Well, you were friends anyway at first. Sure. Yeah. I'm not saying it always happens, but sometimes friendships grow. Things, anyway, well, I'm excited about that because I like the first one, and I'll support you, of course, always. Miller's in marriage. How did that happen?

Did Ed Burns call you and say, I want you for this role, or did you audition? Yes, I got a call. Well, my manager did. from their producer saying that they want to be to do this film. And I read it and loved it. And I have to say, it was such a wonderful experience doing that movie. It was fucking grown up and nice and like a lovely set. And Ed is such a sweet man and a great director and collaborative and like easy days.

Just like people sitting in a room talking like mid. mid-adult life people talking about real-life stuff. Like, it was so lovely. And it was a relief for you because you usually are doing action and all these things are going on. But with this, it was just like, it was a piece. It was a, it was relationships. It was life. Yeah, it was like normal people talking to each other.

You know what I mean? Like, it felt really. And it was about like adult subject matter. It was like, I, yeah, there was no like made up universe or like. chaotic thing going on or larger than life thing I had to imagine. It was just like a, you know, something I could very easily drop into. Yeah. And I bet you loved it mostly because it filmed in New York, didn't it?

It did. I knew it. That was, see, all these things add up. If you filmed somewhere like in Iceland or something, it might not have been that fun. Yeah. Iceland was cool, though. But, yeah, living, working 40 minutes, we actually shot up in New Jersey. Jersey. But yes, basically New York, you know, easy commute. I could be home. It was a week

shoot for me, I think. It was just lovely. Who, what, who did you become closest with? Like, of all the people, I mean, you got Benjamin Bratmanie Driver, Patrick Wilson, who I love. Was there someone that you just, like, immediately connected with? Ed, because I had all my scenes with him and he was directing. And I also really love, I had met. Julianna Margulies before because I actually did the good wife a few times, but I hadn't seen her in a long time. She was lovely. Gretchen Mole, I already knew through, we had like friends in common that we met like 20 years ago. Patrick Wilson, I also knew his wife and I went to high school at the same time. Benjamin Bratt, I'd never met. He was lovely, but we didn't have a lot of scenes

together or maybe even any at all now that I'm thinking about it, but I saw him at the, the press stuff in the premiere um and my very first job ever i worked with campbell scott when i was 20 years old in roger dodger so um it was really fun to see him again he's so sweet and what will people like about the movie when they see it what is it that you think about that they'll be drawn to it and really get something from it it's a really touching story about all phases of sort of adult life you know, empty nesters and midlife crisis and thinking you're going to be married to somebody forever and then suddenly finding yourself needing to break up, you know, just all that sort of stuff you deal with in adult life and every version and iteration of it.

And there's a very like, it's such a great ensemble too. I think like a very solid cast and acting. It's just a really nice movie. Inside of You is brought to you by. Quince. I love quince, Ryan. I've told you this before. I got this awesome $60 cashmere sweater. I wear it religiously. You can get all sorts of amazing, amazing clothing for such reasonable prices. Look, cooler temps are rolling in. And as always, Quince is where I'm turning for fall staples that actually last. From cashmere to denim to boots, the quality holds up and the price still blows me away. Quince has the kind of fall staples you'll wear non-stop, like Super Soft 100% Mongolian cashmere sweaters starting at just 60 bucks. Yeah, I'm going to get you one of those, I think.

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Download the Rocket Money app today and tell them you heard about them from my show inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Rocket Money. Are you able to take a, you know, see things from the outside in now after all the work you've done, the body of work from home? and Deadpool franchise and Firefly and Gotham, Serenity, Greenland, all this stuff, are you able to actually look at it and go, wow, this is a cool body of work, I'm proud of myself, I'm happy, or are you sort of insatiable and nothing's ever good enough and you don't see the bright side of things as much as you should? I think I go back and forth constantly.

Like one day I wake up and I'm like, I've done so much. I'm so proud of myself. Way to go. and I'm still sane and I still work and I have a family and I have so much and and I'm able to put it in perspective like this is enough and if I stop working tomorrow I've done a lot and what's important is my family and then of course I'm at drop off with Emily Blunt and I'm like I want an Oscar I want a freaking Oscar. you do want an Oscar you want one I mean who doesn't I mean you've been nominated for a lot of stuff you've been nominated for an Emmy a couple times yes once I thought twice wasn't it Gotham no not cast wise no individually individually just once Homeland cast I don't think there's a cast category for Homeland I said nominated for for supporting for Homeland Hang on. Did you hear what I just said? I said, Homeland. I'm so Indiana. Homeland. Did you get an Oscar for Homeland? In Greenland. Do you get offers like all the time? Are you like every month you have a couple of offers on the table?

I wouldn't say every month, every month's some while. You know, I mean, there's real offers and then there's not real offers, right? There's like, and you know this being an actor, you get a phone call from a friend who's trying to get a project off the ground. And they're like, we want to attach your name. And you're like, great. You know, the chances, that has never come to fruition of all the projects that I've attached my name to, right? But, like, as far as, like, the projects that are actually happening, every once in a while, once every couple months. Sure. Yeah. I mean, I guess it also depends on availability.

I'm about to start a show, so I don't, everybody knows I'm sort of not available. So I don't know if those, like, offers just stop coming or your agents are, like, to no-go or whatever. I don't know. What show? I'm doing a show on CBS called Sheriff Country. Sheriff Country. That's right, my friend. Are you a sheriff?

I am. Sheriff what? Mickey Fox. Sheriff Mickey Fox in CBS's new store. We're putting for duty. Now, what attracted you to this? Fire Country is a big hit for CBS. And the show is quite good.

It's very soapy in the best possible way, really great characters, stories you want to like, you know, you just sort of gravitation. towards and want to come back and watch. And it's also about firefighters. So a lot of dreamy dudes and really great action. So they called me up and said that they wanted to do a spinoff of it. And they were going to, they were going to test out my character into Fire Country, see how the ratings go and how it's received. And then if it goes well, then we're going to create a show called Sheriff Country around this character, Mickey Fox, who's the sheriff of the same town as the firefighters are in so it's a show that kind of merges together yeah so the two so yes and

i think the idea is to do crossover episodes and all that so i'll be starting that next week next week and how many episodes 20 holy shit yeah i mean where does it shoot Toronto was this a tough decision big time tough how long did it take you originally it was going to shoot in Vancouver because that's where Fire Country shoots and obviously that would be a lot easier for the production Brockheimer TV is producing and I

had a very honest and frank conversation. I first got pitched to the show by Joan Reader and Tony Phelan who are incredible creators and showrunners. They worked on Grey's Anatomy for a long time and they helped create Fire Country with Max Thera, Tirot.

And so I loved the premise. It's all centered around this character and her struggles with her dad who grows illegal weed and she's a town sheriff and her daughter who is in rehab and struggling with drugs and there's all these other characters around it's a great drama and I loved it and I said to them this is a no-brainer for me but I cannot shoot in Vancouver there's like no way that my family survives with three kids in New York City that this could work so they went back and they discussed it amongst themselves and I was shocked, because you know how these negotiations go,

they decided to, they agreed to move it to the East Coast, to have it set somewhere in the East Coast. So Toronto is probably a, what, a two-hour flight? Not even. It's like an hour and 20, hour and 30. You were shocked. Shocked. But once they did that, you couldn't turn back.

You couldn't say, well, you had. That was the hard part. I was like, wait a minute, careful what you ask for. Yeah. But, you know, it's a great premise. It's a great character. character. I really truly love the people that I'm working with who are creating the show. You know, Brockheimer TV has been incredible in the process. And it's just been like smooth sailing.

And I haven't done network TV in a while because I just hate that machine. And the 20 episode thing is really tough on everybody. But I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm really excited about the series. And I think being in Toronto, I'll come home every weekend. It'll be tough on the family. But, you know, we have a summer coming up where the kids can be up there and we'll figure it out. How do you balance? I mean, how do you? I can't get through days or I can barely get through days with no kids.

And I'm not married. So I don't know how you could do these. Did you sort of tell them, hey, there's no 14, 16 hour days. There's no, I'm not working weekends. Did you put your foot down about some things before? Because you know how these series can go. You try, but negotiations are tricky. They don't always listen to you, you know.

I tried. I tried for three-day weekends in contract and flights and all that. But, you know, you sort of chip away what's important, and you end up with the version that you end up with, which is the best possible version for you. So I don't have that. But I think everybody, it's a team and everybody hopefully, you know, they want me to be rested and happy. They know I need to come home and see my family.

So hopefully everybody works together to, you know, to make all that possible and we figure it out. I'm amazed. I'm excited for you. And I think that I know this is going to be a hit. I mean, these kind of shows like that, just, you know, America loves it. You know, they love it. I think, yeah. Where does it take place?

It's supposed to take place in Northern California. in northern California. In a small town, you know, like a fire. Tim, I want to come on as guest star and just have some, you know, accent. Use my mustache, be like some. I think the mustache makes you a shoe in. I'll be some deputy that came in and, you know, and I'm corrupt and you find out all this shit about me.

And like, there you go. There it is. I'm just trying to think of the spin-off from Sheriff Country. What would be? What do you think that would be called? That would be called deputy country. That'd be called. What's the other, what's the other paramedic country?

Paramedic, paramedic country, EMT, country. We've got country and more country coming to you. It is difficult because I'm trying to think of like wrapping my head around it. You know, you have to learn a lot of dialogue probably, right? Yeah. And then you fly home Friday night to your kids. And then you, when do you have time to learn all this stuff? Do you learn lines on set?

I do. I do. I probably would love to not. What's probably going to happen is on the weekends, I'm just going to decompress. I'm not going to, like, work. I'm going to spend time with my family. Then I'm going to get on that plane and, like, cram and get familiar and just need a lot of rehearsals on set and rehearse. And, like, everybody's going to have to be patient. Until you're sitting next to some actor and it's like, hey, someone's suddenly getting some stupid conversation with some actor who's, like, hitting on you, but you're married.

You know, it's like, dude. do you do you miss uh doing theater at all yes i know i've seen a lot of plays lately some of which i've liked some of which yeah um i don't know that i could do it anymore it's a lot it's a lot just that effort just that effort every night get paid crap to just like give it at your best give it your all all the time i don't know that i have it in me anymore honestly like i think it would have to be a piece i was so moved by that i had to do it you know yeah Yeah. No, it seems to me like, for me, it's like you're waking up and you have anxiety all day because you're going to go live in front of the audience in about eight hours. And so the day's shot and then you have to give it all, give it your all. And then afterwards, you're decompressing from the high and you have to do it all over again. And sometimes two shows in a week. It's just, someone just asked me and I try to be cool. Like, oh, maybe I'd go back to the theater and thinking, no, you wouldn't. I just saw Doyen Gray and. here that Sarah Snook is doing it's out of control she's incredible like she plays like 15

characters she never leaves a stage it's two hours long it's just her on stage like I just I don't have I literally don't have it in me yeah that's a lot that's a lot and you're doing the same thing over and over and over and over but the level of energy that you have to have for that I'm too old yeah and the pressure you put on yourself i know like me you'd probably put a lot of pressure on yourself yes to be great every night have that energy and have that connection and be better than the last night yeah you know but there's something really special about doing a tv show what i think when you have a family it's like it's consistency you get into a routine i'm gonna come home on the weekends i'm working you know uh

i know there's a paycheck coming in every week there's got to be something nice about that that's probably a big factor. Yes. I mean, that's huge. You know that. As an actor, like knowing you've got your year covered is like gold, you know, and we have three kids in private school and we are happy to have that income, especially. I feel really grateful that so many of my friends are struggling right now and not working. This business is so, it's changing so much and it's so hard, I think. Yeah. Do you, did you sort of tell your agents listen? Because agents' jobs are usually while you're working to get you a job right when you're done working. But doing 20 episodes, I would think that you'd probably want to do nothing for a couple

months. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't done that really in a while. So I don't know how I'm going to feel. I'm either going to not want to talk to a human for like a month or I'm going to want to do something small and artsy to just kind of break up the monotony, you know? Yeah. Because TV sounds, I mean, it's.

It's great, but you are playing the same part over and over again, and it tends to get repetitive. And the dialogue tends to get, you know, predictable for you because you're just doing sort of the same world over and over and over again. Do you get to speak Portuguese or anything in this? Yeah, there's not a lot of that. Well, you think, you know, because your character could easily be shared. It's true. It's true. I could be halfway.

I mean, I think because they're spending it off of the other show and I'm like somewhat related to some of the other characters on that show, then it's, doesn't really make sense. But you never know. Yeah. If I get bored enough, if people get bored enough, I might bust it out, you know? I think you should. Do you think you've become more patient or less patient over the years? More patient, for sure.

How so? I've learned, I've just learned, it's been humbling to fail, succeed, to watch people fail and succeed, to have hard times, good times, to have. kids to struggle with your kids like i think there's nothing better than struggling it's such a growth experience and the the older i get i feel like i the less i know which i think is awesome because it makes me more curious about people about the world and more forgiving more patient more you know able to just kind of roll with it yeah i mean do you feel like the older you get the less you tolerate shit for sure like you're easily you can easily just weed out all

that stuff. For a thousand percent. Are you quick to do that? Are you like, no, we're not doing that. No. Now I am. I didn't used to be. I used to be so forgiving.

And so like, not forgiving. That's the wrong word. Like, um, flexible and like, I would like be so, I would feel bad about saying no to something and I would bend up her backwards for somebody. And I would, you know, and now I'm like, no, this is this. And also being honest with myself and then there's nothing wrong with. And you've always been really good about this. I have to say since I met you.

Like, you're very much like, no, this isn't going to work for me, but this will or that or, you know, and it's just like you're just being honest about how you feel about something, which everybody understands. And what you want, you know, what you want. Yeah. Because a lot of people will come at you like, oh, you should do this and you should do this. And that could get very cloudy and messy and kind of screw with your brain if you don't really know what you want. Yeah. You've got to know what you want, I think. And that's hard. That takes time and it takes maturity.

It does. I think that's really important to just be like, I know it sounds good. Everything sounds good. But would you be happy doing this? Would this be, you know, would this be purposeful? Would this be, will you have passion for this? Will you have, you know what I mean? Is there an excitement? When you, when you take on a job, do you look at that at all? Do you say is there a thousand percent? Yes. An element of fun. I mean, I can't do those jobs anymore that are just jobs to do them for money, maybe. or whatever like there are some jobs that yes you're doing it for the money and it's a no-brainer but i can't do it's got it all even out yeah it's the time away from my kids it's what i'm what am doing with that time i got to be able to be excited about it and be able to like give to the job otherwise what is the point do you ever get is there any thoughts of bringing back any kind of firefly spin off or serenity or any of those things that were so popular and such a big fan base and the fans love it.

Yeah. Have there been talk about doing something? There's always talk. There's always people asking about it. I actually just got a call from Nathan the other day about something like that that he's trying to get off the ground. I just got a text from Nathan today. Oh, you did? That's funny.

I forgot to respond to him. He gets really mad when I don't respond. I think there's always, I mean, I'll put it this way. Like, is there going to be a Firefly reboot with all of us in it? live action. I seriously doubt it. You know, that's, that's a lot of different careers and different people that you have to like negotiate with and make work and all that, you know, schedules and whatnot. Could there be like a comic book, a thing or whatever? Maybe, I don't know. Maybe like a four episode thing. Part of me is like it would be excited to revisit that world.

And part of me is also a little bit like, I love it so much where it is that I'm worried about reopening that door, you know? You know, doing something. that you love so much and you cherish and then doing it again and it just loses its luster or doesn't have that those components that made it so great that that's probably a big worry with everybody right absolutely and even when you're creating worlds like i was just in the masters of the universe movie i loved team and growing up my brother and i were obsessed and like the idea of being in a movie like that but isn't good freaks me out i think this is going to be great but like it's so scary to like create a universe that you're so familiar with that you

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We don't really keep in touch other than sometimes in a group chat with everybody. But, yeah, I wish him well. Do you ever want to direct? I think about it. I toy with the idea. I think that what I actually would love would be. to produce and, like, be the producer, the person on the ground that's actually, like, solving the problems.

Directing is interesting to me, but only in certain, like, films more than TV. TV, you're just kind of like, what's the word? You're just like delivering somebody else's vision, basically. Right. You know, you're just doing the formula, which I think could be fun once or twice. I'm not sure that that's something I want to make a career out of. there's definitely something more than acting that I'd like to do, but I can't quite figure out what that is, and I suck at writing.

So more than acting, maybe not something in the entertainment industry, or are you saying in the entertainment industry? Yeah, I think in the entertainment industry. It have to be something in that realm. But I do, like, I'm in a very curious phase in general, and I'm, like, open to, what if I, like, anthropology and I want to, like, you know what I mean you're like yeah yeah I don't know represent nations at the UN I don't fucking know whatever you might get sick of all this you might have enough

money from you know EMT sheriff country EMT country and you know after the series you're like I could do what I want you know what I want to do something yeah philanthropic something bigger than me yeah you if anybody could do it you could do it you have the voice you have the tenacity. I think also while you're on sheriff country, that you should consider down the road, see how you feel. But like, for fun, all the components are there. You should direct an episode and see how you like it. Yes. Because I think you're going to be real, yeah, you're going to be good with actors. I agree. I think I will be too. And it is something that I look at. I'm looking to do on that show because I feel like that's a safe environment to,

try that out yeah i didn't i didn't talk to you much about the last deadpool uh wolverine movie but how was your time on that was it was it was it quick it was good it was quick it was good um i felt very much like you know my character lived in a very specific little universe in that film and it was very secluded from the rest of the film and we shot those scenes it was lovely i was with all the other cast members that i had worked with before i knew and so that was really super fun and reconnecting with them was great. And I got to meet Hugh, who was lovely. It was really fun.

It was very short and sweet. And it was really interesting to me seeing the film how much you get out of such a short time on set. I don't know if you got a chance to watch it. But the film, like the emotional core of the film is the relationship with these two people. You know, I am his reason for being and for wanting to be a better person. for going on the journey that he goes on. Once again, same with the second film, you know. And it really is really interesting because these are massive franchises

and there are so many people who are the bosses of that job and who are going to decide to tell the story they want to tell. I think it's really unfortunate that once again, the female character that is in the beginning of the story so much a part of the story then gets sort of like put as like the... secondary the crux of it the reason the emotional arc but doesn't have the screen time or the the journey the satisfying journey you know do you think they'll do another one i genuinely don't know and i'm not being coy like i actually don't know i could see i could see it's such a massive hit

for them i could see them wanting to i could also see ryan being like i'm done you know i don't know i genuinely don't know do you ever have a have you ever had a real lousy time on set or you're just like i don't i don't really yes i don't what do you do i mean was it to the point where you didn't like the director you didn't like the the atmosphere it was unhealthy yes what did you do how did you get through it i so in the beginning i sucked it up and i was like i am an adult i'm a professional i showed up on time i did my job i was nice to everybody i even had a little fun and i was like you know what, this is temporary. It's all good. It's going to be great. And as the weeks and months went by and it wore away at me and people started behaving badly and things started to kind of slip.

Yeah. And the people I was working with started to behave badly. And I started to get the brunt of their anger and their insecurity. And their crap was directed at me. I, for the first time in my career, this happened last year I stood up for myself good and I said enough and I

let them have it and I've never done that before on a set I've always been extremely professional and I've never lost my temper or screamed at anybody ever in my entire career and I did

and I was I was actually traumatized by it I felt really bad about it but when I think about it now I have no regrets and I'm really proud of myself and I didn't do anything wrong and to the point where these people apologize to me

my agent called and spoke to them and ripped them a new one and you know in fact my agent who has been my agent for for most of my career said, I've never gotten a phone call from her this upset ever on any job. So whatever, whatever happened over there is 100% not her fault.

And so it was a really big learning experience. It shook me. And I realized what shook me was that you put so much trust and you're so vulnerable on set when you're acting and when you're shedding. you're showing yourself and you're shedding your boundaries in front of people. And to have somebody mishandle that feels so, like, abusive. Completely disrespectful. And it feels like to me that it wasn't something that just happened.

It was something that kept happening. And it escalated to the point where you finally just had had it. Yeah. Wow. that's happened to me a couple of times but it didn't it wasn't something that kept happening kept happening it was just something that was so rude like a director that just was out of line and i just laid into him i just was like i don't give a shit about you dude you cannot treat people like this you cannot talk

to me like what do i find it i find it really interesting that i think it's easier for guys to do that. And I think guys get taken more seriously when they say no. I don't think you're wrong. I don't think you're, but I think that that's, yeah, you have to stand up yourself. I think, yeah, hopefully it's getting better, you know. I was also on a set where I was the only woman all around. And there was one other female producer, but it was mostly men. And I just, that was definitely part of the problem. You know, it was sort of like I, and not in a sense of like,

Sexism, really, it was more, like, deep than that. It was like I was their mom and their, you know, I had to take care of their feelings, too. And the guardian of, like, everybody's moods and behaviors. And, like, it was crazy. And you didn't want that responsibility. A thousand percent. Oh, man. I came there to do an acting job.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it's important that it happened. It's important that you had that breakthrough where you're just like. Yeah. you know and it was something that needed to be addressed and I think now you won't even let that thing sort of fester you'll you'll nip up the bud you know what I mean it's like now that you're like okay I let it now it's like okay if I even sense that okay let's talk about this right now because I don't want this to get like great awesome moving on that's right that's right I think that's exactly

right and that's what I mean I think by you know we mature we say no we say yes to too many things when we're not mature enough, I think, to know what we want and what we can handle. And yeah. You still talk to Claire Daines at all? I do. You do? I do. Just a nice text, or do you actually get on the phone and talk?

We had lunch a couple weeks ago. Yeah, we see each other quite a bit. You know, we've known each other for a very long. You're in class together. Yeah, in eighth grade. In eighth grade. Yeah, she's lovely. We have kids around the same age, so it's fun to compare a note.

and she's actually like one of she's one of my only friends that um has three kids similarly and lives in new york and works consistently and so like i really feel like i i we share a lot of you know we can we understand each other we can we can we can bench about the same thing yeah uh who's a bigger cryer you or ben ben ben what does he get what does he cry about everything so the head of my kids school has struck up this really sweet random friendship with our four-year-old son because he visits all the campuses you know he's in the preschool version my other older kids are in the other buildings but but he goes and he visits all the campuses and my son's having a particularly hard time one day and this guy's name is kenyatta he's a lovely man

and he hung out with Arthur and they talked to Transformers and whatever and then now Arthur when he sees him walking on the street or when he sees him when we're dropping off the older kids goes there's my friend Kenyatta my adult friend Kenyatta you know and he said that and Ben literally like welled welled up and was like that's so sweet that he's like taking the time to like get to know him you know I actually got emotional because I don't have kids But this man This neighbor was walking his

Walking with his daughter And I have a statue out front of my dog that passed away It's a really beautiful statue, Irv And he says she comes Every day we walk up here She goes and she talks to Irv and hugs him And I didn't cry I thought like oh my God he's like

He's like I hope that's okay I'm like yes of course hug Erv I love that. And one day I'm in my office and I have the monitors for outside of the house so I could see, you know, and I just happened to look up and I see the little girl walking up to Irv and just hugging him. And like, and that's when I, I couldn't do it. Those things like that. It was so sweet.

And I thought of my dog and I thought about this little girl and how beautiful this is. Yeah, I get, I mean, Alexa Pro that I'm on, it kind of takes. takes away some of the crying. I used to cry a little more. So he's a bigger crier than you. Do you cry about stuff like that when kids do cute things or loving things? Yeah, I do. I can't hear kids do chorus or like sing songs. I can't hear when kids do that when I used to go to my kids school when they have like a little singing concert or like sometimes the preschools do like these like singing sessions in the morning. I cry. I can't no matter what the song is. That's sweet though. I can't hear who's who's more of the disciplinary who's the one that when their voice is raised the kids listen you or Ben can I guess yeah you because I guarantee when you've had it you're kind of like no we're not going to do that yeah I mean I guess it happens more often with me but because it happens less often with him when he does it it's definitely like a showstopper and you kind of I could see kind of go whoa

Yeah. Like Ben's getting upset. I want to check this out for a minute. I want to observe this. This is a rarity. Do you still get Starstruck? You've worked with so many big actors. Yeah, I do.

Who? I knew you were going to ask me that. Sigourney Weaver. Yes. 100%. How did you know? I just know because I know you worked with. And I was like, I'd be star-struck.

Yes. She's a big one. I, like, Merrill Streep, if I ever see her around, I'm like, I can't even. You couldn't talk to her if you had to talk to her. I could not. I did, like, I worked with her for a hot second when I was 20 because I understudied a play she was doing. And I couldn't talk around her.

Really? You never had a conversation with her? Yes, because she instigated conversations. but I was like the whole time just kind of like do you have a picture with her did you ever get a picture with Merrill I don't think I did gosh what's wrong with you I know this is like pre cell phone days pre iPhone days this is like BlackBerry days somebody had to have a camera in order to do this to happen how's your anxiety it's pretty good I get I'm a very like I'm steady I get anxious my anxiety is like I'm like I get anxious my anxiety is like like that kind of like slow and steady anxiety that's very debilitating because it's like nonstop like it's it doesn't get to the point where I have to do something about it it's just constantly there which is not good no like I worry about my kids a lot look a therapist once said if you're anxious it's okay just imagine anxiety's in the back seat and you're like I know you're

there but I'm driving so I'm going to continue driving I'm in control but I know you're there and you can be there. That's fine. I'm just going to keep going. And I was like, that's good. Sort of makes sense. So just acknowledge it. Don't be like, oh my gosh, you're in the back seat.

Just it's more of like, okay, this is how I feel right now. And let's just keep going. Can't stop. I mean, I am not above taking an edible. Oh, yeah. To be able to sleep because of anxiety or a Xanax or whatever. Like, you know, I don't. every day. But if I'm feeling it and I'm like, I need to chill out. Like if I have an edge and I've,

you know, I used to drink a lot. I know. Because that's the easiest. No, I never thought you had a problem. But like, I know when we did our movie back in the day, I knew that you and the girls, you guys were going out a lot. There's nothing much to do there. So you just had fun. Yeah. And I was also a lot younger. Um, now I can't. It doesn't, it, the emotional hangover that I get after I drink is like not worth that second of like ah you know that's like me if somebody goes hey are you okay today i'm like uh had a quarter of a beer i shouldn't have done that it's like anything affects me anything even like a pot gummy like i take up these pot taffies my friend makes and they're they're pretty mild but i feel it the next day well you should experiment with different kinds

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marina don g uh we talked about this if you're ever an actor what do you think you would be doing if you never were an actor something artistic well painter writer i don't know translator no no jessica b do you ever catch yourself being too much in your head well and if so how do you bring yourself back to the present that's really good i've been working really hard at that actually. I have breathing, breathing, feeling your feet on the ground, truly. Yeah, you just took a good breath there. I saw that. Yeah. That does help, though, doesn't it? It's so big time. It's so stupid and simple. Linda M. When do you feel the safest? This is so funny. When you're in band's arms. Yes, but wait, but it's very specific.

Okay. The kids all have to be asleep. And I know they're safe in their beds. and they're happy, they're like a sleep for the night. Ben is like watching sports or something stupid that I am not interested in, but I'm resting in his arms and I'm dozing, but he's awake, so I feel safe. That is so visual and so honest and like pure, and I can sense it. It's like there is something about that. There is something about like when I feel safe, like, you know, being at my grandparents' house and my grandfather is on the chair trying to pretend he's not asleep

my grandma's like or i've got to bed what are you talking about i'm fine you know and he's asleep and my grandmother and i just watch it and she kind of grabs my hand and uh just watching something stupid on tv and yeah i'm like ah the world's all right the world i just got a little emotional thinking about that yeah they both passed away thanks for bringing that up oh nico p says what's something that makes you smile every time you think about it my kids of course Jen T. How do you avoid burnout? Well, I ask her after she's on sheriff country after six months of shooting. I know. No, it'll be fine. You'll be great. I have to really pace myself. I do remind myself of that. Just, you know what I would say? When you're in between shots and things like that, go in your trailer and lie down.

Yeah. Lie down. Yeah. Don't socialize. Don't. You can be a little social like, hey, blah, blah, blah, and go back. And like, I have 20 minutes. Great. I'm just going to power nap or just lie down. just take it easy let your eyes rest and just if you keep doing that throughout the day you're going to get little bursts of energy you know yeah so that helps um yeah leanne who's the one person that believed in you and no one else did and have you ever paid it forward probably my mom and i have definitely paid it forward do you guys still you guys have you guys have a lot do you ever have arguments still with your mom oh my god every single day she's a pain in my butt but i am appreciative of you know i am where i am who i am because of her because she left her country and

she like invested in us kids and like got us here and we went to great schools and she worked hard for that but you know she's a pain of my butt she's like an eccentric old lady and she's a lot what does she call you in portuguese what is the one thing she calls you your little everybody has something my little this my little that what does that mean my sweet daughter does she say it a lot yeah well look if this is the only chance i get to really hang out with you i'm going to bug you to do this every year or so because uh i know you're busy you've got a a big life in front of you a lot of stuff going on career family but you're killing it remember that and i always love seeing you do well i love ben i'm happy for you thanks for doing this again because you're

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fine. Yeah. I'd say that overall, my anxiety has been okay. I got a little anxious at the Superman premiere, but I was mostly okay. You know, it just felt like I really didn't belong, but i was i was invited to support my friends and i had a small thing in it but uh i made the most of it i saw fans across the street yelling my name and i just said fuck it and i went across the street and i don't think many people did but i just i signed for a while and talk to people and uh you know it was really nice and um got to support my friends my friend chris macdonald not white chris mcdonald who was uh schooner mcgavin this is black christopher mcdonald who's one of my dearest friends in the world.

Which is what he loves to be called. Well, we always joke about it. He's like, no, I'm black, Chris. But I think the most fun I had, the best moment was that, you know, he's in the daily planet. He's, he's part of that. So you see him. He doesn't have a significant role.

But you see him. He has a line. And, you know, he'd never been anything like this before. He's not an actor. And I was so proud of him. I just seeing him glow was. the highlight of the whole night. Just seeing my friend enjoy it and taking it.

And I told him, I said, he goes, yeah, I think I was cut out a lot and this and that. I go, Chris, you filmed on the Superman movie for a month or two. You got to be a part of it. You're a part of this movie. You're a part of the franchise. This is one of the biggest premieres in the world. And you're a part of it. You're here for a reason.

And it's funny because they separated him and his wife. and I was sitting with my girlfriend and I go Chris maybe you could just sit here he goes what seat is that I go F9 he goes oh shit that's my seat and he came over and we just laughed and talked about the movie but he was he was on cloud nine man that was wonderful it was a wonderful experience anyway I love you Chris and I don't know if you're listening to this but there you go all right now it's time to read the top tier patrons these are the folks that get back to the show the most And look, even if you just watch the show and subscribe, that's awesome. If you write a review, next step of awesome. If you actually give back to the show on Patreon, another step up. So thank you. Here are the top tier patrons, no particular order, just people who have been here for a long time and supporting. Nancy D. Little Lisa, U Kiko, Brian H, Nico P. Rabbi.

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