Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - My Smallville Father John Glover

Episode Date: April 20, 2021

John Glover (Smallville, Fear the Walking Dead) joins us this week and opens up on the idea of working as you age in this industry. We also get into some classic BTS moments from Smallville, John’s experience of working on Fear the Walking Dead during the zombie-apocalypse year we’ve just had, pandy vaccines, and his run-ins with legendary Freddie Mercury and John Oats. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It was rough. I'm doing okay. I could power through it. As you guys know, I can't thank you enough for all the messages you left me about my dog Irv, had to put my dog down. It was, look, one thing I'll say, I strongly recommend everybody if they're ever going to put a dog down, their buddy, have someone coming to the house. house and do it. Instead of going to the vet or someplace that the dog doesn't like and he's

uncomfortable and it's a cold table and it's leaving it. It was nice to have someone here. It was incredibly hard watching him go. It was peaceful, but it was just like all of a sudden you got this pup that you've been with forever and then his head's kind of limp and he just lies there and he looks at you and then they inject the stuff. And dude, tears just come out of you they just you're flooded but i will tell you that uh as much as social media can be a pain in the ass and annoying uh the messages uh on twitter and instagram and the message board were just huge my family my friends you guys stepped up everybody stepped up and it just really shows you how much love there is in the world so that that helped me substantially but uh you know

i don't want to talk every episode about the dog but erv is uh he's my best buddy and um you know even like blanche my other dog she uh the next morning i saw her laying on his spot or he passed she never does that and i and i heard him a few times during the night i don't know if i was hallucinating maybe it was the edibles i don't i don't really know the answer to that but um anyway he has gone and he's with me and uh i love that dog and i got so many nice you know celebrities also you know henry winkler gave a shout out and um kevin con Ron Roy and my daddy Johnny Glover from Smallville and love Hewitt and Trish Helfer and just everybody just poured it on and it was it was a beautiful thing to see how many people cared and took

the time to message. So I will say that. So thank you everybody out there for doing that. All my lovable patrons who just are endless, they have endless love. They're a Lionel Richie song, Ryan. They're just endless love. I want to announce stage it, my band. You can see the shirt.

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Got a great show. I love having this guy in the podcast. This is the second time. He's completely open and fun and I miss him dearly. He was my father in Smallville. And I love him because he's not a pain in the ass. He doesn't, after the show, he just goes, okay, great, was that okay? This guy just says whatever the fuck he wants and moves on. And I love those guests. Not that I don't love the other guest, too. Not that they're listening to this episode. So welcome but uh yeah there's that so um without further ado let's get inside of the one and only john glover it's my point of you you're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum inside of you with michael rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience look at your play

It's, it's so nice. Have you never been here before? Well, I was at your one house when I had dinner with you. It was me and Allison and a couple of people years ago, but I think you may have moved because that looks way bigger. Yeah, this is, this is big. That's great. We had a nice pool and I got the heater on.

Do you swim a lot? Do you skinny dip? Oh, God, yes. Well, if there are no kids, a lot of a friend of mine, I was a friend with Janelle. Margeline. Are you aware of who Janet Margeline was? No. She did Keir DeLay, that little movie, that first movie that they did together, David and Lisa. And I did a movie with her called Last Embrace. And she used to go out with Woody Allen. Anyway, she died. And she was a good friend. We made a movie together

and got to be good friends. And she had a little boy named Julian. And I guess he was like 12 or 13 when she died and he thought he maybe had killed her or something. It was his fault that she died. But right last March when I was here, when all this was starting to grow, I was on the hike. And there was this sort of

family of a man and a woman and two little girls. And it was across it. We all had our masks on. He said, are you John Glover? And I said, yeah. He said, oh, I'm Janet Markle and son. He was all grown up. What? So he started, I mean, we've become good friends now. Does he go skinny dipping with you? No, because he's got two girls.

Well, you know, I'd skinny dip with you. Oh, no, I know you would. And Byron, when he comes over, he loves to take off all his clothes and jump. Wait, wait, who's this? Byron. Byron. We know Byron. So your assistant, Byron, who's a friend of ours, he gets, he'll get naked. Oh, God, yeah. He doesn't care. Come over something. I think he's coming over this afternoon because he's got, um, some stuff for me to sign from the last virtual show we did right so you that was so

the batman and robin oh yeah when you were on smallville that's how we all we we all met you were always so fit so ripped so in just in tune and touch with your body you're always just looking i amazed myself yeah you really did and yeah i'm not that way anymore you don't work out you don't get ripped up anymore or you don't care what happens well i care but i just am a bit lazy about i'm you know my abs are kind of gone i can you know i can suck it in and stuff but there was a point where where i started sitting in front of the tv set when i wasn't working eating whole packages of crackers and i mean there were some of the comic cons we did where my butt was so big and i had a belly i looked at the pictures i thought oh john you're letting yourself go you got to stop

stop eating at night i mean how what age do you just stop it's not like you stop caring but do you have to be one of those guys who just had you know he dies like in his 90s and he's just all in great shape and he just went he died on a run or do you just kind of give up after a while and say hey i'm in my 70s fuck it i'm going to enjoy life i'm not going to worry about staying in shape i'm going to grow my beard out and not give a fuck well i'm i miss being um um um it's harder to take my clothes off in front of people now because I got some little, you know, love handles, some little, they go

away. But the hike around this mountain, you know, last year it was March 15th when you sort of kind of had, it was a Saturday. Because Adam and I were both here. And I thought, okay, at least two weeks we're going to be quarantined. So

it'll be hard for me. You thought after two weeks the bell was going to ring and we could go back to normal life, right? So I know. I was nine months of loan in this house by myself and I I started to talk to myself and now I talk to myself all the time I've become this old person who talks to himself what would you say anything I would just narrate what I was doing and make jokes about it and laugh like somebody else was there that I was talking to telling my side of the story to why I was doing did you talk to a psychiatrist

about it and he said that was normal I think it is normal because I've spoken to a lot of other people who were kind of all on their own, alone, in a home. I mean, nine months. I mean, I'm used to Adam being there all the time and talking to him, but there was nobody there, so I just talked. Did he think you were losing it? I narrated my life to myself. Was he worried about you?

I did different accents and everything. I want to hear a conversation you might have had. Well, I'm walking to the front door. I mean, there's the stuff that. that my, it was in my grandmother's house when I was a little boy. So here, I mean, I could, I mean, if we were up in the guest room, I would show you this little pipe piper, and there's a picture somewhere of me the same size as he is.

So all these things are, are in this house that I bought with Adam, not so long, I don't even know how long ago it was, maybe 15 years or so, I don't know. But I thought this would be a great house to die in. It's all on one level. It's spanning. we put a pool in the back and there's a guest house

and then Adam said no no we're going to sell the house so I'd walk around the house weeping because I thought I can't get rid of this stuff I mean it's stuff but it's stuff that's been with me all my life that I know

so it's become this sort of museum of me I guess I don't know there are all these things that I and then there's stacks of stuff everywhere because we collect So, anyway, I was here on my own so I could make my piles and everything. Well, I talk to myself.

I think you probably know that. It doesn't shock you. Yeah, but I, yeah, okay. I will, I'll question myself more like, why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? Why are you thinking like this? Why these thoughts? These aren't real.

Do you do this in different accents? Well, I don't know if I've done accents. You know, I think when there's people. people over the house or if I have like a just someone around I feel more compelled to you know turn it on a bit oh you know oh love me look and I'll grab a little trinket or a little little like a little doll or like oh lookie look and I'll just put on a show but that's kind of me I'm you know I need to always feel like I have to put on a show I do that without an audience well I think that's all right so that it sort of turns crazy and like an old guy who's 76 years

old. But I let this is a year now, this stuff. Wow. I stopped, I stopped shaving or cutting anything on March 15th last year. Do you think you'll ever shave it? Yeah. You do. You think you'll go back to Clean John. You see, I did this for that job that I did. Walking Dead, Fear the Walking Dead? Fear the Walking Dead, yeah. And how many episodes did you do? Four. I had a four episode arc. My God, my God. I'm sworn to secrecy. I can't talk about it. But I thought, I mean, I got the job before all this happened. So David Letterman, my agent, called and said,

they're still probably going to do it, but we've got to find out when it's going to be safe enough. So they started up again in October. So I was from March 15th until October or something or other. Are you done filming? Yeah, I finished a couple of weeks ago. How was it? It was fun.

They were very generous and so welcoming. and really wonderful people. They made me feel happy to be there. The problem I had was because the walking dead people, I'd never watched the show before. I mean, I had heard about it, but it was the violence because they'd have to kill him forever. They'd have to stick them in the head with a knife or something.

Right. So one of the first things I had to do was to poke a guy in the eye and kill him forever. and it was this big stuntman that was laying there on the floor and they gave me this sort of rubberish knife and I mean they were very generous about helping me and the cameraman said it's a little awkward you grabbing it maybe

and he said well we can get somebody just to hand it to you so he'll be there but it was how you stick it in and then they do the rest stuff in post but it was and you can't talk about this you're not allowed to talk about it hasn't aired yet No, no. I'm sworn to secrets about who I am and everything. But I just let everything grow. And then when it happened, I sent them some pictures of myself the way I looked. And they went, yes, like that. And they got very excited. Which made me feel good. Do you find it more difficult the older you get? Maybe this is a stupid question. To remember lines, just acting in general.

It's my fear. The confidence. I lose a word or something. An important word. I can't remember it. or something will go blank. I mean, I remember when I was in my 20s or early 30s learning a script over the weekend so I could replace somebody and I just went blind page by page by page, put it in my head, never had to go over it again. I just knew it.

And I have trouble keeping the lines in my head now. And as soon as I start, I think, okay you can do this you can do this but there's that that thing of am i going to humiliate myself because it is it's humiliating for me because i used to be able to just read it and know it like you do or like you used to it's harder now though isn't it's it's i'll be i'll be 49 in july yeah it's always been for me i've had to go over it and over it and over it and over and over just so i have the confidence to be because i used to watch you on the airplane on the way back on the weekends you know when you went we'd race for the steward get the up front seats yeah yeah but i

remember you'd start learning them then and i would i would kind of wait and yeah i think my fear is that i don't want to i want to be so prepared that i just want the lines to be second nature that i feel like if i that's how i tried to get them too but it but the first episode that i did uh i thought i could do it better than i thought i thought i could do it better than i thought So the next script, I had to spend much more time and start immediately as I got it just to start sticking it in my head because a four-week rehearsal doing a play

will get it there I've found, you know? It's harder. I mean, I used to be able just to know it like on day one or two or something. There were times when I don't even remember having to sit down and learn the lines. They just, I did it enough that I just knew it. Do you still want to do plays? Do you still want to?

Yes. Oh, my God. That's the easy part because you do have that rehearsal, which lets it get in there. Because there's something about starting with, with you think, am I going to make it through this big speech? As soon as that little thing of, am I, it's like a flinch happens.

And you think, and you tense up. We had a great script supervisor, Marjorie. And I'd work, and I'd work, and I'd fuck it up and fuck it up and come back. And then about the third or fourth take it, we'd just go br-r-rum. And she'd come over, and I'd been through such agony. And she said, or you can do it like that every time if you want. She had such a good humor about it. She understood, I think.

And that was on Fear of the Walking Dead? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was, I felt alive again because I thought, God, what's going to happen? Are we going to ever work again? But the kind of weird part about it was that everybody's masked, everybody. That makes me nervous. The actors rehearse masked. And so you can't really, you know, see what everybody's doing because you can't see their eyes and not hear them real well because they're a little muffled.

And I'm also getting, I think, a little, it may be got the wax. Too much wax in my ears, I don't know. And after lunch once, I thought we were moving on to another scene and we redid the whole scene that we'd done all morning. And I just, I like went haywire and thought I can't do it. I know it's already gone from my head. So I made it terrible. So I'm learning through each time.

But it felt so good to be back at work because I thought, when is this going to happen again? And the theater stuff is even, I mean, that's going to take one. longer. Right. Oh, and then they go final touch-ups. So all the actors take their masks off, and everybody else is masked. And you're just feeling naked and like, okay, if I stand here, got a half an hour, maybe 15 minutes, if somebody, but we got tested four times a week.

And before I would take the airplane to get to Austin, they would send somebody to my front door to test me there. and then as soon as I get off in Austin the next day they sent me to do the the deep nose test first which I learned how to take the first guy that came to my house here was he had a name that sounded like I conjured up an older kind of Jewish guy

that appearing well like a six foot two Latino man who was just like like David or something appeared at my door and he said I'm going to go deep What I want you to do is to breathe very slowly through your nose. So, I mean, it was almost like, it didn't hurt at all. And he went deep, too. And I'm sure you made a smart-ass comment.

I asked him if he wanted to go for a swim in the pool. I was waiting for it. But he said, no, I've got some other people to test. I said, well, I'll be here all weekend if you're free. Inside of you is brought to you by Rocket Money. I'm going to speak to you about something that's going to help you save money, period. It's Rocket Money. It's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions,

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me by? Or this is? I got a lot of them that I'm proud of. But one of the most fun jobs I had was at one hiatus from smallville and I had to fly to New York to audition for this there's a show called the drowsy chaperone a musical and the guy that wrote it who was playing the man in the chair who had no

songs except right at the end there was a little thing he did he saying but it was a musical and I've always wanted to be in a musical but because I don't sing on key they don't cast me a musicals because I flinch and so miserable if I have to sing a song but I was on stage through the whole show

and sort of created it and I had the best time because I was on the musical stage and the little song I had to sing I would forever start on the wrong key so you could hear this piano down in the pit going doing, doing, here's your note but I usually couldn't find it.

But it didn't matter. I was having such a good time. You like to have fun when you work. Sure. Like what we did together. I mean at first I wanted to strangle you I thought this guy is a pain in the butt and then I realized that you were just being legs and so you were just well I think you were doing this on purpose

to sort of get me pissed off because the scene would work better what I was now I started remember there's a woman who's a on the CNN now Brooke Baldwin I think is her name who did I guess was just starting out

but she was at one of those Warner Brothers things interviewing us all and she wanted to Brooke I think Brooke yeah well anyway she's a CNN girl now

and she's really smart and everything but her question was who on the show do you really not get along with and I and I said I finally walked away

and said I don't want to answer that question but you came right to mine because you kept you kept fucking around all the time and then I started getting into it because it was it was Alex how early was this in the show well it went away pretty early but it was just before i understood well it's yeah because oh i was only in the pilot and then they just called me back for a few times that first that first time so i wasn't sure of myself i mean i wasn't

i didn't know who lionel luther was yet i was you know trying to figure that out well i didn't think you liked me i told you this many times i remember in the pilot that was just like the first couple of times I was up here. It took a minute, but by the time we started fencing, by the time we started there was, there was, there was, there was, there was, there was, there was a time where we, then all of a sudden we realized we're really good together. Yeah. You know, when we realize, people are liking

our, what we're doing, it's working. There was a certain, as soon as you showed me your balls, that's when I knew I could trust. What season did I show you my balls? So many. Was it season two? I don't know. Now hang on. you don't show on the first season right but we're it's like the girls are we're in a trailer we're running lines or something i'm probably in my underwear and like john's no no you're hanging out of your trailer sort of going like that and shaking them well that's when you could do that

like ding dong the witch is dead the witch is dead the witch is dead my balls are here um but they're great balls though great balls of fire thank you who is the who is the biggest celebrity you've ever met, that you got Starstruck, that I remember you telling me you met Barbara Streisand and she wasn't very nice? No, I just didn't know what to say. And I knew she liked Egon Sheila, that artist, Agon Sheila,

who I patterned a whole character looking after. So she was at a party at those songwriters that wrote a lot of her songs, Maryland and whatever their names are. I don't know. They were there. there with Michael Feinstein. Right. And Barbara Streisand was there with the director who did What's Up Doc, who wrote the book. Right. Used to be with Sybil Shepard. Anyway, so I just

sort of stood there listening to her talk. She said, she looked at Michael Feinstein and she said, are you the, like that? He said, yeah, yeah. So, but right when it was sort of getting time to close, I said, I know that you have some Egon Shil, where do you keep them? This is a really strange question. And she got really defensive and said, why? And I said, well, I mean, why I said, I said, because he's a favorite artist of mine. And when I heard that you had some, I wondered if, if, like, they were in a room or in a hallway,

if they were in a room where you could see them a lot of the time or a hallway where you just could pass by them. So that's. And what she said? I don't remember. She didn't want to talk about it. She probably, listen. But at least I talked to her once. That's true.

I talked to her once, too. I talked to her once. But more importantly was the time that I lit Betty Davis's cigarette. Tell me about that. Well, I was at Roddy McDowell's. And he had, I mean, he would have these parties where people were over. I think this was, I don't know if this was a Thanksgiving or not, but I remember Elizabeth Taylor was there.

the guy who did the house of wax Vincent Price Vincent Price was there with his wife Betty Davis Elizabeth Taylor because I remember for desserts there were different kind of cakes which Liz Taylor was going crazy and

and Betty Davis sort of hobbled into the room this was after the dinner and and Betty Liz Taylor said something like Betty oh come on look at all the cakes and somebody said something funny that Betty Davis didn't like and she hobbled away and Vincent Price saw her and said oh Benny look at you you thought you were so skinny but you got a little belly

and then she really got angrier and walked off but it was it was quite a party that you mingled with some of the greats yeah yeah but jackie collins once uh called me an asshole well was she right yeah i know i i was at dinner at the bear walls and roddy was there maybe um lee remick i got to be really good friends with lee rem i loved lee remit from the omen we did this miniseries together and i you know i've done a movie i'd worked with jane fonda and i'd worked with anne margaret and and there was always sort of a wall up. But with

Lee, she just was Lee. I remember I kind of got a lot of this hair off and it was like a crew cut and and she walked into the, I walked into the trailer where she was getting a makeup test or something and I said

it's real ticklish and she came up to me and she said, well tickle my belly with that and from then I just knew I was in. I mean I we played these best friends. I was like this slob, and she was getting her son to murder her father. It was a great mini-series. I love that.

You said on the last podcast that you slept with Freddie Mercury. No, I didn't say that. Did you not sleep with Freddie Mercury? I did a show with Mark Blum. God bless his soul. He was one of the first people I knew to die of the virus. But he came in the first day of rehearsal, and he said, I heard you have slept with Freddie.

Mercury and the Hall and Oates guy. I said, where did you hear that? He said, I read it on Wikipedia. From my podcast. They got it from your podcast and somebody put it on Wikipedia.

Well, the little one from Hall Notes, we know that's true. John Oates, you had sex with, but we don't know about Freddie. So Freddie Krueger, Freddie Mercury's not, Freddie Mercury, you didn't sleep with. I think I did.

I think that was him. I mean, was he nice? When I saw that mouth on the thing, I said, oh, I know that guy. Now, did you, do you remember him being nice? What? Do you remember him being nice and kind? It was fun. Yeah, he's very nice.

Oh, yeah. You guys hook up. You go your separate ways. Nobody gives a shit. Right. Is that what happened? You just kind of had a fling? Yeah.

Look, the club was letting out. It was like two or whatever in the morning. I had been making a movie in Munich, and I had some time off, and I went to Berlin, and I realized I couldn't understand anybody's still there. So I went to London, where I knew some people. So I was, and then I went back to Berlin. Do you remember a conversation you had with Freddie that night, maybe, anything?

Bless you. You just remember having sex. you don't remember talking like, I'm writing this song, Bohemian Rhapsody, nothing, nothing comes to mind. No, no. I don't think what we did came up. You know,

our, our, we were just two people who were attracted to each other and wanted to touch. And that was it. And the next morning you left, he left, that was it,

done. I never saw him again. I didn't get his number or anything. Well, did he just say, well, nice meeting you. You know,

it was a long, long time ago. I don't remember. Well, what about John Oates? What about him? He's very talented. They had a lot of my favorite songs on. I love the songs. He didn't do any singing, though, that time. What was, what's your favorite Hall & Oates song? Well, they had so many good, big hits. Oh, they had so many hits. Man Eater, adult education. Yeah, they had a lot of great songs. A man eater? Man eater, yes. That well.

there you go so were you like one of those guys i mean you were sought after especially back in the day like when you went to a party people knew who you were they're like oh that's john glover did you feel that like people knew who you were no you didn't no i don't i sort of have to i felt that they wouldn't remember who uh that i'd met them or something i always feel like that way too i think that's some kind of insecurity we have yeah well insecurity is useful you don't want to get too cocky You know? Yeah. It's like when, have you been incubated, vaccinated?

Not yet. Okay. Well, I got it. The place downstairs from us is a place where they have the shots. So I can never remember the name of it. But in New York. So I would go there every morning because I was of age. I was 76, so I could get it.

This is when they had to be over 75. but I went in every morning and I was getting ready to fly back to Austin and you know there was all the stuff about the airplanes of being on the airplanes and the airports and people so I gave her morning and the one guy this beautiful black man named Justice who we've become friends but he said

why are you so angry and I stopped for a minute and I said no I don't mean to be angry if you thought I was angry I apologize but I'm frightened because I'm going to go on an airplane soon and I'm the their variant changes now

so I need a vaccination to feel safe and finally one morning or one afternoon around 2 o'clock the phone rang and it was downstairs and they said can you come now? We've got a cancellation. I said give me five minutes I'll put my pants on and be right there.

So I went down and got my first and then I went off to Austin and I came back and four weeks later because I hadn't gone back yet I got my booster and I didn't have trouble with my booster but what I'm also saying is since I've gotten my full vaccination

I've become even more careful with the mask wearing and the distancing I don't know why but I just am that's weird that you're vaccinated you feel like you're you know I don't want to get cocky about it. Well, not only that, because you could get,

you could carry it and give it to somebody else. Yes, exactly. So I'm urging everybody who's watching this to listen, to be helpful to you fellow man. Yes. Ear plugs, I think I must have too much wax in my ears. They don't stay in. Hey, Johnny, what do you have left to do?

Like, look, you're not old. You're 76. You're not old. But, like, you know, do you want to keep working? to you die? Yeah, yeah. I want to go with my boots on, actually. I saw John Glover die on stage,

but I want to play Prospero. And then there was this reading that they did a year or so ago where they got playwrights, American playwrights, to sort of do translations of Shakespearean plays. There was some guy from Oregon

who had a lot of money and he loved to go to the theater but he couldn't understand the Shakespeare Land. language. So he paid a lot of money to get these playwrights. And I did a Lear one, a friend of mine who I knew from when he was in college when I used to go back and help them out and tell them what it's really like to be in the theater. I said, John, do the Lear for us. So I thought, Leah, I could never do Lear. But I worked on it. I mean, it wasn't Shakespeare's language, but I worked on it and felt I think I understand enough that I could attack that. But the but I want to do The Tempest. I want to play Prosperal before I go. You want to die on stage.

You really think that would be cool. Well, it would be easier for me because there'd be time to rehearse it. I mean, which will put the words in my head. And I'm frightened of the line things now. And they even offered me in Austin. They said,

you know, we can do big poster boards so you could read it or we could put a wig is they called it a wig? A wick, yeah, a wick. A wick or whatever. They put a thing in your ear and you sort of talk. And that makes me frightened

because it's going to, I remember it was De Niro and Marlon Brando and. Brando wore one. They all were doing it with being fed the lines. But they all got them mixed up because they couldn't, they were sending the wrong lines to the wrong,

person and everything. He said it was a mess. But I know that Richard Easton, who was a wonderful actor, who had a kind of a stroke and couldn't learn lines, and Jack O'Brien was a good, good friend of his who taught him how to use it so he could do this play. This is all I know how to do is act. I mean, that's what I do. I never had to wait table. I've never been so lucky about getting jobs. Yeah, you've always worked and you've always gotten the lines out. Remember, when you're doing

a film or a TV show, you could take as many takes as you want. They cut around it. We've had guest stars who can't get one line and they look better than us after they edit it. It's my pride. I have to get over the pride thing and think, okay, am I worth it?

And I'm going to take a little longer than I used to to get a take that I was thinking of that. Some actors, I remember, I was doing one of those lawyer shows. And there was this one young actor who had a big long speech. And he'd go up and then he'd start again and just, he'd know that they were going to be able to cut it together by him doing it.

But I always, because I guess I grew up on the stage, if I go up in the middle of a line, it's like, oh my God, I have to start over again. I know. What is that about us? I mean, some actors, I've seen them mess up over and over and they're fine with it. And then where I mess up one line and I'm all of a sudden I'm getting nervous and I'm getting upset and I'm like getting, I just want to be perfect. I think it's we're striving for perfection. And it would be so nice to just let it go to say, feed me the line. Let me just get that line out or to just, you know, wear an earwig. And, you know, I hear like,

you know, I've heard many stories Robert Downey Jr. He wears it on all his movies. He wears an every week in every movie, you know, and he sounds great. He sounds so, in fact, if someone's feeding you the line, I've talked about this in other episodes, if they're feeding you the line, John, and you hear it in your ear like you're going, I don't ever want to talk to you again. I'm like, I don't ever want to talk to you again. It's almost like it's coming out naturally. It's more natural than perhaps saying the line as you normally would. Well, if I ever get a job again, I should try it out. Inside of you is brought to you by in no small part, thanks to our lovely supporters over on Patreon.

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That's patreon.com slash inside of you. And I will see you there very soon. Hey, this is called Shit Talking with John Glover. These are people who are going to ask questions from you. They're patrons of mine. I have a thing called Patreon, and they're going to ask you a question. this is from claw dean n we've heard lots of stories from the set of smother but is there one that

hasn't been told yet that you can share the naughtier the better and please don't include me john well there was the the peach one remember the peach one i think i was on a massage table covered by a towel and i just kept wanting you to look down to my crotch and sort of render it huge wait wait wait i don't remember you put a peach under the towel no no no no no i was eating a peach it was a very sensual scene i had they had a you know a woman masseur i do remember this it was very uncomfortable for me yeah yeah and i did a thing where i got up and sort of opened my towel and everything

and i just said michael just when you you when i open it like that just glanced down and and give me a look of amazement or something I remember you had, like, underneath it, didn't you have, like, those little, those underwear, those, uh, they made you know those little, those little underwears. Yeah. I do remember that. I did a shower scene, too. I was with these stuntmen in the, in the shower. And I must have.

Was it prison? Were you in prison at the time? Must have been. Yeah, they sent somebody to, uh, to stab me. Oh. Yeah, to kill me in the shower. Yeah, I remember that. Oh, the prison days.

Hey, Brian H. Brian H says, what role you've played do you think comes closest to you in real life? Well, I always use me. So they're always sort of parts of me. But what's part? Like, obviously you weren't Lionel Luther.

You're not this... No. But when I played those two twins and Terrence's... Terence McAllie's play, Love Aller Compassion. I mean, they... I mean, I use both sides of me, one who was loving and one who was paranoid, because I do both very well.

Yes, you do. Yeah. Emily S. What's your favorite thing about being on Fear of the Walking Dead? Working. Working in a really interesting role that's got a lot of twists and turns and surprises in it. And I could use myself. Who is your favorite actor on the show that you worked with? Are you allowed to say that?

Maybe not allowed to say that. Why not? You could say it. Who's your favorite person on set that was there that you really enjoyed? Oh, Jenna, Elfman. Although, I mean, I wanted to work with her for a long time. Basically, she shot a gun out of my hand. So we didn't really get to work, work together.

But I was close. But she was fun. And Keith Caroline. Carly H. Scrooge is one of my ultimate favorite Christmas movies. and Bryce is such an amazing, slimy, yuppie, batty. What is your favorite memory from the shoot and how does it feel to be a part of so many people's holiday season? I had a great time, and Bill Murray was so much fun to work with.

And there was something, I can't remember, but there was some, I had to, we shot at Paramount, and there was one set that was two sound stages that were put together. And I had to walk him across to an elevator and walk him on it. And he said, well, I had lived something. And I couldn't think of anything. And all through lunch, I kept thinking, what can I say? What can I say?

And I came back and said something that was sort of, he said, oh, that's so ordinary. He said, what about da-da-da-da-da-da. And I can't remember what it was, but I knew it was really good. And I walked him all the way across, really silent. And just as the elevator door was starting to close, I said the line. and it was like a devastating line that sort of meant his failure

and it just sort of went like that and they kept it that was what was in there yeah yeah and that was a line that he gave you yeah yeah yeah was he very giving was he playful on set was he fun yeah yeah but like you are because he's weird and the character he plays was weird

so he mean he's very similar to you really acting style wise yeah So what do you mean he gets, when the camera rolls, he's in and then when it's off, he's just like himself? No, about he's because he uses when he's on camera to sort of make you kind of go like that. Veronica Kay, what do you look forward to doing most now that it looks like we're nearing the end of the lockdown? We see the light at the end of the tunnel. What do you look forward to doing most? A play with a live audience sitting out there laughing there or weeping or doing whatever, but, but,

in a play. I just love the theater. Leanne P. Who are some of your personal heroes? Adam Arkin became a good friend of mine. Really? Yeah, yeah. And he's a really good, good, generous guy.

Yeah, he's helped me a lot. Yeah. You know, Welling's been on the podcast a few times and he just admires you. Every time we're anywhere at a con or whatever, he always talks about what a great actor you are, what a great man you are. and what a great role model, just a mentor. Yeah, you know, the last time, you know, I kind of crashed. You got you to do this sort of thing. Smallville nights, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the first time I did it, it was a lot of fun. And then I did it a second time, and I stayed at the dinner table drinking too much red wine. Oh, yeah, you were drunk. And I felt I made a fool of myself. and I just want to apologize. No, no, no, no. Look, here's the reality.

You had a few drinks you're having fun. People knew. They're like, oh, John, he had a little fun. He got a little lit. No, but I handled it. We handled it. It was fine. Yes, he did.

But I was not happy with myself. So I just, in public, wanted to apologize to both of you. Well, you don't have to apologize to us, but we love you regardless. But do you, do you, are you super hard on yourself? Like, do you always? stress about like when you film something afterwards you're like recreating the moments and

the scenes do you still do that oh sure yeah i can tear myself apart by the time i get home yeah think like what did i do how do you shut it off how do you just let it go you think at your age by now you would be able to i'm asking this because i want to have some kind of semblance of hope that when i maybe i turn 60s 70s i'll stop giving a shit but you don't stop giving a shit right but sometimes I get overly paranoid. I have tendency to, for paranoia. I think it came from hiding so long,

from hiding about who I really am. Your sexuality. Huh? Your sexuality. Yeah. Yeah, I had to I pretended for a long time. And what was so interesting was that I remember

confessing to my to my relatives down in Virginia. my cousin Patty, who's nine years older than me, known me since I was born. I mean, she was nine when I was born, so I've known her forever. And I confessed to her why I sort of lost communication

because I was living with somebody and my mother wanted it to stay among the family, which meant the three of us. And she just looked at me and she said, oh, Jolly, we've known you've been gay since you were a little boy. Wow. Such love. Doesn't that make you feel sad that you lost so much contact when she would have really understood you or she did understand you?

Yeah, yeah. That's what's heartbreaking. Waste of time. And that's why I sort of, I guess, when it came time to just to stop, I just stopped. And I, but I still sometimes feel like second rate because of it. What do you mean second rate? Well, it's because I'm different than the other boys. It was hard, especially when it got to junior high school and high school and stuff.

You know, I was uncomfortable. But I found my strength in the theater. We did a Lillium, the play called Lillium, which the carousel was based on that musical. And you had readings in the cafeteria. And I just read one little line. I thought I did it really well, but they didn't notice me. So I got on the crew to change the stage.

It was platforms in the cafeteria. It was in the round. So people had to carry things on and off. And I got a black derby cap and a black turtleneck and black pants. And I came out and started moving the furniture and people started laughing at me. So I don't know what I was doing, but I was behaving in it. I didn't say a word.

But by the end of the show, I was getting big laughs. and I thought the teacher was going to be really, really mad at me. But she gave me the play, the lead in the play the next year. Wow. I guess. And I could make people laugh. I had a control. Something happened.

And they were, I was making them laugh. And they were laughing at me enjoying themselves. And it felt so good. Especially probably because you were going through such a tough time. I know. You know, hiding that this is a chance. Right. Right, right, this is your power.

I could be somebody else, and they would appreciate that. Did you? But it was the me. I remember once, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I got a good friend of mine. Loved her, loved her. And she was, um, um, um, you know, the blonde, the blonde, uh, the blonde girl from, from Terry Gar. Somehow, I, I got alone with Terry Gar in her house. You've never seen me.

I, I felt so. uncomfortable. Like I should be somebody that I should be some man here with Terry Gar in the house and I was like this gay guy that didn't know what to say to her. I would just made myself so uncomfortable. I make myself uncomfortable around Bernadette Peters. I have such a crush on her and I saw her when she was in high school and one of the first things she did in New York. So and I got to to do a, we did a TV movie together. So I got to play with her. and I just would go blah blah blah blah blah blah and once we were all sitting around talking and she said I have a sister and I said I'm an only child and she said oh no wonder you're a little chatterbox but I love her so much that I get a little starstruck when I'm around her you still do the the Alzheimer walks obviously you couldn't do it this year this last year no no it got more and more complicated and I guess my dad's death further and further away.

And the town harder and harder to get to. Yeah. Because I remember you used to do the Alzheimer walks and we helped raise money. Right. Yes. We got me off. We did a whole, we got in trouble actually because we did so many smallville things. They stopped.

They said, no, you can't do that anymore. You can't raise money for one thing with a TV show or something. Really? yeah yeah i didn't remember that it's tom yeah that's weird but tom donated his bike somebody bought his bike we all made a quilt yeah yeah yeah because my grandfather just died uh this year will be this november will be two years of alzheimer's and his mother died of Alzheimer's so we always used to talk about that so it wasn't the virus was it no no it was Alzheimer's he he died before he died the november right before the pandemic oh i'm so glad my parents left us too i would

have hated to have lost them that way. Yeah, that's the worst way to die. I'm glad I'm glad my grandmother's vaccinated and she's playing poker again, Blanche and West Palm Beach and she's able to, because I couldn't imagine her dying from the, during the bedroom. Your grandma's called Blanche. Yeah, she's Blanche and my dog's Blanche and my dog is Irv and my grandpa who died is Irv. So that's how I roll. That's how I roll. Well, listen, did you enjoy this? Talking to you? Yeah. Oh, oh, this was it? That's it. I thought we were going to do it now. No.

This is. Well, listen, maybe sometime you could have me over after the pandemic. We'll have a swim. That'd be great. You know, because of the deck, work on getting your vaccination, Michael. Yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to get in a week. Yeah, it'll make everything easier.

Listen, I love you to death. Thank you for allowing to be inside of you. Thank you for this. It was a lot of fun. I love it. I'm glad you did it. I'm leaving now. Okay.

Bye. Bye. Bye. Well, that was grand. I mean, that hair. That hair was intense. And I just love him talking about sleeping with Freddie Mercury. Yeah.

And they just didn't say anything about it. Like, no, that's what we did. Good day, sir. That's it. Good day. I go, was he good in bed? I really don't remember. How could you not know?

If I had sex with Barbara Streisand or something, I don't remember it. No, I mean, I think that's just the, that's the kind of, a night they were both looking for they just sort of needed uh yeah what's wrong at that two two men two human beings wanting to have some release and some fun that's it that's it and they did and we'll never know what would happen behind those doors i mean maybe freddie mercury talked about john glover this whole time find me somebody to love find me somebody to are we going to get sued for that from you too christ it'll be fine uh thank you again for all the wishes uh for irv i love you guys so dearly uh remember to go to stage it dot com

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