Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Napoleon Dynamite JON HEDER: Constantly an Outsider

Episode Date: November 8, 2022

Jon Heder (Napoleon Dynamite, Blades of Glory) joins us this week and talks about the feeling of ‘constantly being an outsider’ coming to Hollywood from a humble upbringing in the PNW and then heading back to Washington after years in the film industry. Jon shares some crazy stories from his family history that helped shape him into the anxiety and stress free man that he is today. We also get into (of course) our shared bond of horror, why Napoleon Dynamite never had a sequel, and Jon’s memorable run-ins with Will Ferrell, James Cameron, and Ali G. Thank you to our Sponsors: ❤️ Betterhelp: https://betterhelp.com/insde 🛍️ Shopify: https://shopify.com/inside 🧑‍🦲 Freedom Grooming: https://freedomgrooming.com/inside 🦎 Geico: https://geico.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Please write a review. Please follow us on our handles. Today's guest is a good friend of mine. he lived here he was my horror movie uh buddy and he moved away and uh we have a fondness for horror movies and that's how we became friends we were at uh universal horror nights and uh yeah we hit it off great guy family man um he was napoleon dynamite for god's sakes legendary role blades of glory without further ado let's get inside of john he It's my point of view.

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. I just also, I love shorts. I love wearing shorts. My guest today is John Heater and he's getting comfortable. Underwear all shows. What are you going to do? I'm going to keep adjusting.

Hey, we're wearing the same shorts. Uh, my, we are wearing the same shorts. Basically. Basically. So basically.

That was a great story, wasn't it? That was. We were. Yeah, now you can explain it. And it's not we, you were. I was in the airport and I don't know what got into me,

but this guy was loud on his phone folks. And, uh, he was just like, you know, so my, so basically like he wanted everybody to hear him. But for some reason I responded and I go, so basically.

And he turned around and was like, gave me the finger. I was like, you. And so he tells me the story. And I'm laughing because that's funny for number of reasons. Mostly because you deserved it. Yes. But he also went over the top. No, he was people talking there.

He might have been annoying. Yes. But he would have deserved it had you had company with you. You were, this is Michael. Like he, you're alone. You're so used to doing this with your buddies that you. forgot like you can't do that you're alone like not that you should do that when you're with your buddies that's straight up just a gang of bullies but rarely you see solo bullying because

bullies will do stuff for the attention for the validation for like of the their peers they're like oh I want to look tough in front of my peeps so they will make fun of someone they will whatever I don't make fun of someone straight up mocked him well he was just so loud and I was like so basically And he's like, yeah, a few. And flipped me off, right? Did you see anything wrong with what I did? But I feel like... Everybody wants to do that, but they don't.

I did. But if I was there, I wish I could have seen, this is probably how it went down. He's talking, he's passing you, and you go, so basically, and then you look to your two ghost companions who weren't there. They're like, am I right? Or even worse, someone else you didn't know past it. Am I? They're like, get off me, you creep.

Exactly. I had nobody to turn to. And I just kind of looked at him and I go, and you're going like, oh, that's true. Did I say that out loud? And then he's thinking, did I say that loud? Anyway, I thought I'd share that story with you guys. John was one of the first guests that has spent the night at my house.

He spent the night last night. He lives out of town. He moved away. He said he promised he would come visit more. But he has a family, a big family. They live in Oregon. And technically live in Washington. right on the border right in the border but you came down and we had a big horror movie night we do our horror movie nights and we watched uh black phone which we won't we won't review what you just said the word and now we have to say like i i just don't want to like you know other than um we won't give spoilers but the trailer does that enough yeah but i gives everything away all i'll say folks is i don't want to get in the movie it's not important about how good or bad the movie was it is because you and i used to have

a Patreon where we were reviewing. It was literally called where of all the good horror movies gone. Horror movies? You say horror. I say horror. Horror. Horror. What do you say, Ryan?

Horror. Horror. Horror. It's a horror movie. It was where of all the good horror movies gone. And we would rate movies. Because we were just, we love a good horror movie, but they're just hard to come by. And so.

And anyway, this movie, uh, we, we didn't really enjoy. No, we weren't. It was a shame, too, because I had to rent it and it was 1999 and it looked nice. Yeah, it looked nice. And there were some moments, but I thought Ethan Hawk was really good. But the movie was just lackluster. Anyway, you came down and you've been busy with your life and I don't get to see a lot. So it's good to have you here.

You know, let's let's go back. Let's go back a little to the beginning, how it all started because you were living in, you were born in Colorado, right? Yes. And you grew up there. No. You grew up in Oregon? Yeah.

How old were you when you moved from Denver or from Colorado? No, Fort Collins. I was born in Fort Collins. I love having that connection. But, you know, whenever people are like, sweet, I was like, well, we moved when I was to, so. Oh, really? So you have no recollection.

Yeah, yeah. No, my dad was, he was a doctor and he then moved to, we were conceived in Japan. That will become full circle later on. But what do you mean you were conceived in Japan? My parents, right before. moving to Fort Collins, Colorado, he was stationed. He was stationed in the military as a doctor in the military at a base in Yokosawa in just northern southern part of Tokyo. So they were stationed there and we were conceived there. They moved to, I always like to, you know, I like that little,

you know, brag. You were made in Japan, made in Japan. Made in Japan. So then we go to, yeah, Colorado, born there. And then they soon moved to Oregon. And that's where we, I spent the rest of And so your dad's a doctor When you say doctor As a family physician Is he Yeah So did he

Was he your doctor? Yeah he was He was my doctor But the beauty And the funny thing about You know Kind of growing up in a family You know

Where your dad's a doctor's like I never went to the doctors I never went Because my dad would just like Do his checkups at home I guess Would he do like a cough Kind of check

No No I mean You have to have those eventually I guess so I think he just is like Could monitor us just far enough away, like, all right, like, he was always like the very chill. Because I've told you this before.

So my dad was a doctor. It was perfect because he was also the ultimate scoutmaster. Like, growing up, we were in scouts. And he, we literally just came from Oregon for a celebration for my dad. We gave him the Golden Beaver Award, which is actually kind of a made up award. Golden Beaver. The silver beaver, for those in Scouts, Silver Beaver is like one of the high. highest awards you can get, you would only get as a leader, not as a scout. But we kind of made

up this one, the golden beaver, because it's better than silver. But it was kind of our way of just, we got all of our old friends, people that were scouts under him, leaders. And we just got a, like, a group of like 70 people. And we kind of commemorated like my dad's life. We showed video. We had memories. We had people telling stories. It was really awesome. And my dad, you know, he really changed a lot of lives. He was incredible as a scoutmaster. Yeah, you really look up to your dad. Oh, yeah. Really, it's nice. It's nice to see that the family just all supports, you know, your family's very supportive. You're all very, for the most part, very close. Yeah, yeah. And he, uh, so yeah, being a scoutmaster, he was put a lot of that and a doctor,

he put a lot of emphasis on first date and it was very much like, you know, there's a famous story in our troop growing up where we had this kid who like, they were out on a camping trip and they was climbing over this old log with a branch and he fell and impaled right into his And I mean, blood was coming out. What's your dad do? Well, it's not what he did. It's what he made the boys. The boys that come up like, uh, brother heater, brother heater.

Because he was, it was a scout troop, but it was also through our church. Right. And so what do we do? What do we do? And he was like, well, you guys know your first day? Start training him for shock. And, and he was just like, you know what to do. He's like, you've been trained.

And you guys handled it? Well, so I wasn't there. It was a famous story. I wasn't there. But, like, I know the guy just saw him again. But, yeah, they treated him for shock, wrapped him up, cleaned the wound. And, and it was, I mean, it's a very famous story.

It was a story about your father who just, he was just like, yeah. You guys do this. You know what to do. You know what to do it. I've taught you. That's a teacher, isn't it? Oh, yeah. That would have freaked me out, though.

Yeah. So I never. You're right here. You're a doctor. No, I don't care. You're taking care of. I can't think you trained us. But this is, and he was like, no, this is not out of you.

your room you guys can figure it out so you're i mean you you really look up to your father like you you guys are very close was he always very supportive of everyone in the family and just like always loving and was he that kind of father he's that he's the kind of father that was like he his father left when he was oh man i should know this but it was when he was he was young he was probably like almost a teenager and he was the oldest in his family and then his dad left and so he um and that that's a whole other story which was really kind of came full circle a few years ago when my grandpa when his father died and we started to get to know him but my dad was very forgiving like after years and years of like having been separated you know he started spending time with him because

he knew he wasn't going to live much longer and so wow he so he embraced him yeah he probably resented him a lot well it's weird he never opened up that much about his he just never had much of a relationship with his dad and after his dad came like he moved to hawaii and had a whole another life in hawaii he left his family left and went with uh another woman and then but then he built a whole other life where people like he did amazing stuff it really was a lesson and learning like like you left this family and a terrible thing you went on to start this other life where his dad was a doctor as well and changed people's lives.

He saved this family, like from an abusive relationship, took them under his wing, and he got married to this woman, and then he had like a whole new family. It was an incredible person, did incredible things. I still meet people who sometimes like, oh yeah, your Dr. Heeter, your grandpa delivered me, like as he was an OBGYN as well.

But that's crazy. Yeah. The juxtaposition of like, wow, horrible. He leaves one family. So you're like, this guy is an asshole. And then at the same time, he goes and becomes this great man somewhere else. It's just, it's odd. It's very odd.

And when we went to his funeral, I started meeting, you know, family members. I'd never really talked to or had ever met before. And you just start getting all these stories from both sides. And it's not that everything's justified or there was no answer. There was no perfect balance, but it was, but the, but the. but the end of that is my dad forgave him. My dad forgave it. And it's really incredible.

And I think a lot of some of his other siblings, some of his other siblings that hit, you know, worse, but, but your dad made the most of it and became this great man that you and is, yeah. And in the last like 20,

15 years of my, you know, grandfather's life when he moved back to the States and he moved up to Washington. So he was only one state away from my dad, who was living in Oregon. So he would make trips up and he wanted to have this relationship with his dad and so coming around to answering kind of your question like my dad

never wanted that he he saw what his dad did and he was like i want to be the kind of father who's around but he's very he has he's a quiet quiet dignity kind of describes a lot of his persona he was not we don't know where me and all my brothers and my siblings my sister we were loud rambunctious we were all into film and making videos and being created and being into art and my dad didn't have a scrap of that my mom you know she she didn't really she was an artist like we don't know where any of that came from right and my dad who was just very you know everything was logical and everything was just like he was our resident vulcan he was just but i mean but he he governed us and he raised us and he loved us with uh like if my dad

if we did anything wrong and my all my dad he never like punished him us physically or anything he was just he could give me a look like I'm just I'm upset and that was enough that was it oh yeah I wish my dad could have just given me a look sometimes I get the hand so the marks are still yeah inside of you is brought to you by quince I love quince Ryan I've told you this before I got this awesome $60 cashmere sweater I wear it religiously you can get all sorts of amazing, amazing clothing for such reasonable prices. Look, cooler temps are rolling in, and as always, Quince is where I'm turning for fall staples that actually last. From cashmere to denim to boots, the quality holds up and the price still blows me away. Quince has the kind of

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it's weird it's just like almost 10 15 years i'm not any entire sure but at least 10 years ago um yeah he was diagnosed and uh yeah i mean i mean the amazing thing is you know he's lasted longer and done better than of course they expected i mean you feel like you hear that all the time like you know he uh oh it's not going to it's not going to go downhill quicker and he's lasted a long time our gauge i was telling you this earlier our gauge is like when does he stop going on backpacking chips because my dad you know again yeah i started you guys we grew up you know in scouts but the big thing was, he just loved getting us outdoors, loved getting us camping, doing these physical activities to learn first aid, to learn, you know, self-reliance, to learn all these things. But, you know,

it's still just, we loved it, backpacking. And so in our adult years, me and my brothers have tried to pick that back up. Let's go backpacking. Let's bring dad along. And I think, sadly, this last year might have been, you know, his last, he kind of told us like, this might be the last one because yeah it's just he's slowing down and has it hit you has it do you sort of have you broken down about that i haven't broken down i mean it's it's sad but he you know he's still here and i don't know i fear i've never really lost anyone yet that i've broken down my grandma his his mom was the closest like i started you know like i am emotional person but i don't cry a lot but i don't notice you as an emotional person well i can be like

Certainly, when I, when I watch stuff, like, you know, movies, I can tear up in movies. And when I think about my, you know, own personal stuff, I can, but I don't, I'm waiting for the, I'm waiting for the moment when something happens, whether I lose my father or I lose any of my kids or my wife, you know, I'm not waiting for that. Right. Hopefully that's way down the, hopefully I never lose a name. You just never know. It's inevitable. but right but i know that moment's gonna come where i'm gonna break down maybe you know um yeah i mean i have broken down uh not broken down it sounds weird like off to the side of the road but sort of just depressed

no and i definitely definitely more more in my adult years in my father years yeah there have definitely been times around my kids about my wife where i've you know i've cried and um you know during hard times so no it happens but i think in terms of losing someone i think you know if when my dad or mom go, you know, I, you know, yeah, it's, but it hasn't hit me yet because he's still here. I live closer to him now. I get to see him more often. Um, and he, it's just, it's a hard thing. I, I, I can't, yeah, I don't know if I can't live day by day. Yeah, I don't know if I can accept it. Like, it's, I don't know, but he's still there. And he's so mentally, amazingly, and I don't know all the effects. I know that sometimes, you know, dementia can roll in with any kind of,

you know, um, disease or a situation. But, It hasn't really hit him that way. Yeah, he's slower speech and he's quieter. But he's still there. Is he still your physician? No. Does he not ever check? No, he's done.

No, I know. Yeah. He checks me out. So no, I will still go. I will still go to him for, you know, medical advice for sure. When you've, you do. You say something. Because I've never, I've always kind of like, I think I got used to because I had a dad as a doctor.

I never went to a doctor. So I just, I don't even have a doctor now. It's terrible. I should. I need to get checked up regularly because that's a good thing to do. He looks in the camera. He looks in the camera, yeah, but.

Anybody want to give John a check out? But I got so used to like, yeah, and I need to. So, but if something's like wrong with the kids, like, dad, what do you do again for this? What do you do? Right. Yeah. What was their response?

Because they don't seem like they'd be like your parents. Were they really excited for you or did they want you to get into acting when you started like when you did napoleon and you showed them did you show them the the short film that you made in college with jared hess did they see the short film did you show them things that you were doing i i must have showed them pay luka the short paluca yeah i must have showed it i was very proud of paluka and i loved it and i must have showed it to because i showed them all our videos so my you know my brother and i we made videos all throughout high school and i showed anybody I could show it like anybody who's really to watch I showed it because that's what we do

as filmmakers you know so exciting well no but yeah yeah well you think everything's great you have to know your audience yeah and that's a huge thing and even at a younger age I think I had a pretty good idea of whom I honest and my dad has always been like he wasn't really big into movies every now and then he would take us you know to the but it just wasn't him and so I must have showed him I don't remember because it's like dad's not going to get this but when Napoleon and dynamite became such a phenomenon where they sort of like because when when when i hit success my i took my grandparents to a convention and there was a line wrapped around and uh my grandfather goes who are all these people in the line what's wrong with them who are they here for i'm like i think they're

here to see me and he goes what the hell is this what is wrong with these people this is this is crazy he couldn't it was mind blowing and to see the look on his face of like well my grandson has some kind of accomplishment here he did something that people recognize and they like him yeah they were blown away i took him to planet hollywood for a premiere once and they i just seeing the look on the face on their faces made me happier than i've ever been seeing how happy they were for me made me happier than i could ever be so did your parents when did they know something's different? It was a little bit of a, I say a curve.

It took a little bit of time because, but which is interesting because Napoleon almost, I say Napoleon took a little bit of time. But in the terms of, you know, having it come out in June of 2004, but most people will tell you, oh yeah, Napoleon was an overnight success, right? Even though it was, it took its time. But it was like out of nowhere, it felt like it was an overnight success because it came from nowhere. Right. Nobody was in it that anybody knew.

Right. So yes, it was instant fame. But, you know, it still was like I did this movie. My parents knew I was shooting this movie and they knew I was dabbling in the acting. And he was just like, yeah, well, that's what they did on their videos. We made videos and we directed them, but we would act in our video. Act. I'm doing finger quotes.

Act in our videos. We would be on camera because I loved goofing around for. in the camera as well. So it wasn't a surprise. And my oldest brother and my old and my sister as well, like they did like high school plays. They were all, especially my oldest brother. He was into drama. He was into the school plays. So that was actually everybody thought he was going to go and be the actor. So when I just started doing it, it was just kind of like they knew we wanted to get into Hollywood somehow. Right. And into the movie making. So it wasn't that big of surprise with that. But we do Napoleon.

Napoleon's coming out and it goes to Sundance. And Sundance, I tell everybody, that's really when my life changed. Everything changed was Sundance because that was the first validation, right? That was the first audience. You just feel what would happen. You went to a screening for it. It was the, you would call it the premiere, but it was that Sundance. It was the first screening.

Packed house. It was packed. It was like one of their biggest venues there. As big, if not bigger than, yeah, way bigger than a normal. It was the first time you had seen the movie? Yeah. I'd seen part, I don't know if I saw the whole movie, but I saw a rough cut, which, you know, that early on in my career, I was like, I can not watch a rough cut again of a movie I'm in. Yeah, I know.

Because I was just like, this is bad. They're like, no, no, no, this sounds not done. The picture's not locked, you know, whatever. It's hard to comprehend. Yeah. So I just kind of put that out of memory and waited for the first screening to really, you know. Were you nervous at the screening? I was not nervous.

You weren't. No, Jared, the director, he was sitting right, you know, I think right behind me or next to me or whatever, he was nervous. He was dry heaving because this was his baby. He was dry heaving. Yeah, he was like off to the side. Yeah, he was, he was nervous. He was absolutely nervous.

And I was like kind of thinking, Jared, what, like, what do you get to lose? We're not anybody's right now. Like, we've got nothing to lose. So if it's no good, if people don't like it, and then, you know, it's embarrassing for a small amount of people in my life. But I also knew we did the short, I believed strongly in the product. I was like, dude, I think if it's not great, it's not going to be terrible because they just don't get it, you know, whatever.

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occasional drink to take the edge off we're here to explore the wicked and reveal the grim we are wicked and grim follow and listen on your favorite podcast platform what was it like what was it like people coming up to you and the first shot the first shot of this film you know he's standing there I'm standing there with the trapper keeper waiting for the bus and that's when people just like they started laughing immediately kind of like yeah kind of chuckling and then because people in an audience, especially at Sundance, and they know they're with the filmmakers, people want to be the first to discover something. So they're willing. They're going out on a limb to take a chance. They're willing to, like, be the first people who are like, no, this is awesome. And then if it doesn't

do well, then they might, you know, retract that statement later. But they want to be ones to say, no, I was the first one to see it in case it does, you know, find success. But I think it was also just genuine people were laughing and was kirsten your wife with you yeah she was with me was she surprised like oh my god like the response i don't think she was a constant laughter the whole movie yeah it was going great the whole screening went great and it was building and building and then you know the dance scene is kind of like when you that's the climax but it's also the first i was like that's where i really put myself out there and it was so personal to me like everything i everything every line on the film Jared Hess wrote.

Right. But the dance was all me. He just wrote. How many takes did you do the dance? Well, that was just, it was three takes. Three takes. And you came up with your own stuff. Did you rehearse it on your own?

No, no rehearse. We did like a little rehearsal of the first like two eight games. Ryan, you remember the dance. I mean, how did you not remember the dance? Yeah, it was just, yeah, it was just, I just winged it. It was just all free stuff. And people lost it. Yeah, they loved it.

They loved it. Because you're like, this might, because Jared and I were saying like, you know, this dance better be, it's not just good, but it's going to make or break. Hopefully, it all culminates to this moment. And if the dance isn't good, because in the movie, the audience loves it, the high schoolers love it. Right. And you hope it matches the real audience watching it.

Right. So you're hoping. And after the dance, then there's that pause and the audience cheers. And then our real audience is cheering. And it was just like, you know, I felt like a million bucks. And I think after that, Jared was like, okay. I'm in the clear. Did you feel like my life's changing right now?

I mean, had to. I remember that feeling when I was in high school and I wouldn't show videos that I made. Right. I loved it. I loved that feeling. I would show it to classrooms. I would do class projects.

And we put that up and it's that feeling as a director, you know, like, or if any, if you're an actor or director, especially if you're the director or producer, you know, you made the film. You get that high from just like. This is my audience, and they're going to watch it and people are loving it. And you're doing it for you, but literally just watching this documentary on ILM. That were watching the Star Wars on Disney Plus. And these filmmakers, like George Lucas saying is like, me and Spielberg and, you know, Coppola, you know, we did like to make movies for ourselves.

And a lot of times, like, a lot of filmmakers go out there, like, I want to make the movies that I want to make. But these, I mean, he admittedly is like, we are the filmmakers trying to make movies for people, the audience. We want to make movies for the audience. We want to see, yes, we're going to enjoy it at the same time, but we want to wow. We think we know what audiences want and we want to wow them. And that was just part of like, you know, who I was and we want to make something. Now, Napoleon was kind of a personal thing, especially for Jared, you know, he's making something that he needed to make that for him, hoping, well, I don't know if audiences are going to like this movie. Right.

So anyways, yes, I knew my life was going to change. Why, yes, why, we've talked about this, but I just want to bring it up quickly. Were you ever like, why the hell wouldn't he have done a Napoleon Dynamite 2? Why didn't Napoleon go to college? Why didn't Napoleon do something else? It was such a blockbuster hit and they do so many shitty movie sequels. There's movies now they make that the first one's not even good. Or they make a sequel of something from the 80s that never was good.

And then they're, and so it's like you have such a huge success. Oh, you just set it right there. Right? Right? What? Well, that's why. Isn't that why then we don't make a secret? Because it, well, this was such a big, big success and the characters were so lovable that you, I was dying to see them again. Well, we made the cartoon. Yes, but the cartoon wasn't live action. No, it wasn't live action. It was fun, but it wasn't. I loved it. It was great. But why do you think, A, were you a little disappointed, honestly? B, do you wish there was Napoleon Dynamite 2? And that's all. I have you said. no i was uh i was fine not doing a sequel um i we never you know when we made it we weren't thinking in terms of like like producers or you know marketability or like franchise which i do remember that said you know i remember pretty earlier while we're shooting it we knew we were on to something at least with like all the dialogue in the lines like oh man you could totally

make like uncle rico dolls and you can make napoleon dolls and you can make napoleon dolls and pull strings and they all have their different lines flipping idiot gosh or like back in a two i used to be able to throw pigskin quarter mile you know whatever like they each have their every character had their line so i i saw that there was something with these this colorful cast of characters and you could there was could be a life beyond just the film right right but i wasn't thinking sequel i just thought i was actually thinking merchandise i was like yeah you could do merchandise but which is so stupid because I should sign something right then and there like you didn't make any money off merchandise I think I made it I think I made a little bit

I don't ain't not much not not much yeah it's negligible so but no when when they started asking a little we even think about a sequel nobody was even asking a sequel in the beginning you know it wasn't until like you know probably later that year or the year after when my agents were like well you know Fox is like they're they want to do a sequel like would you be willing to do one without Jared and I think they were just asking because they they probably without Jared the director well yeah because they were probably feeling like I don't know if um Jared's gonna be up for this and would you say I'd get for right he might have already said no I don't know I don't know but what'd you say I said no I wouldn't do without Jared I was just like no because you regret that uh no no not at all because this was Jared's this was this was Jared's. Jared, I mean, this was like his life growing up and pressed in Idaho. And it was very personal to him.

And I've always, you know, respected out of choice, but also just naturally, like, respected like the idea that, no, this is his baby. He brought to me. He brought me in on this. And I'm eternally grateful that I'm part of this family now. I'm part of this creation. But it's still Jared's. And it's his vision.

and to do a sequel without him. It made no sense. Nobody. I can tell you right now, none of the other cast would have done it without it. But if you said yes, they would have made it?

If I said yes, I don't know. Well, but if I... There was not a world if I also, you know, you know all the other actors now. Like, we were close.

By that point, we were like all in it, but we were all like, yeah, this is Jared's thing. There wouldn't have been a world. I wouldn't have said, yes, if I knew there was a possibility

that the other actors would say no. If I said yes, I don't think they would have, I don't know if they would have followed me. I just never would have said yes if Jared wasn't involved. It made no sense. I wasn't ready to make that kind of crap. Right.

I understand. Because it would have been crap, you know, if it wasn't Jared. And so that's why. And I think Jared was just moving on trying to do other projects. I didn't want to do. Yeah.

What is, what's the one line people constantly ask you to say? well yeah I think the number one line is a teeny fat lard come get some ham is that the one yes 100% and that one took me by surprise because you know I thought yeah the accessible lines like flippin idiot gosh lucky all that stuff was like yeah you can use that in so many countless situations people are going to be saying that and then what I started hearing oh over and over and over in t-shirts and people come out she's like tina you fell out you know what our favorite line at home is Tina you fat law it's just like what like that doesn't make sense what's your favorite you have to have a Tina that you know she has to be fat and it has to be dinner time or she there's got to be some hamling or like there's so many Tina come and get it but people are like oh yeah we use it for everything what's your favorite line my favorite line is is the the crystals

line it's like hold on a second I forgot to put in the crystals. He's talking about the time machine. And he's just like, he's about to get this gun. And it's just like a super, super like extreme closeup of his awkward fingers putting the crystals in the little little like hole. And he's like put the. Oh, yeah. That's of course the time machine requires crystals to power.

When you when you do the Japanese line with Japanese scientists explaced, did you really flub up the line? Yeah. You did. Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah. I think I flubbed that.

But like, you know, I knew Jared and I were so in sync. Like, I knew he wasn't going to cut. I was like, yeah, that's just, we're going to make this as real, you know, this is what he would do. How bad did the shoes that you wore smell at the end of the shoot? They were bad. They were bad. They were like, I don't remember the smell as much as just the feel. They were falling apart.

Yeah, they smelled bad. Yeah, to tape them up. Yeah, we had to tape them up. We had to, for the dance. scene it's hard to see but for the dance by the time we did the dance because it was one of the last things we shot right and there's tape around one of the boots or possibly both because the souls were starting to come apart because we did a lot of running you a lot of it's cut out of the film but there was a lot of running uh where i would just be in the middle of you know idaho and on a gravel

road when i'm like late for the dance or i'm fishing for the bass for you know for Deb and I'm just running on gravel road and it's just forever and it's just running running running running and it's like oh yeah those poor boots couldn't handle it um you now are going on little tours to places for screenings and doing Q&As with two cast members yeah effron Ramirez yeah and John Grice and John Grice so you guys do these how many where do do where are you going oh we go all over I mean all over the country we're waiting for the rest of the world to catch on, but I think I'm convinced that we are big in English-speaking countries.

Okay. It doesn't translate. I don't think it translates quite well to foreign language, like when they have to do a dub. It's just not the same when they're like, you know, like, it's like, it's your Napoleon and Japanese. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. I don't.

Yeah. I mean, I would love to. you know travel the world obviously to do some of that stuff and we have but it's like new zealand australia england good crowds though oh great crowds yeah no i mean if you speak english you love the movie and what uh where can people get tickets to go do this i don't know just maybe do you post on your instagram about it i should well people need to know where it's where to go here yeah well they just they they they um if it's near you you'll probably hear about it somehow.

Jeez. Talk about lack of promotion. That's one thing. I know. I got it. Well, yeah, if it's near you, I probably should, you know,

promote it. But I just never, I don't know. Well, that's also one thing I've always admired about you in a lot of ways that you just don't ever

get caught up in the business, whether it's social media or just Hollywood. You love Hollywood and certain aspects. You love movies. You love your family. You love your friends. And the balance.

is pretty remarkable. I don't know anybody who, it's almost absurd how removed you are from Hollywood, but yet you're still in Hollywood. Because you don't live here. You have a full family life. You don't really go on social media that much. You're just, yet you're working.

How do you do that? Are you just not interested in that? No, it's, it is weird because I love, I always wanted to work in Hollywood. I wanted to make movies. And I wanted to get in that, make movies or or animated so you know i i majored in animation so i was always really into art i wanted to do art i just wanted to create i wanted to create and make you know fun stuff and awesome stuff

and so i i loved i love hollywood for sure but i think after while you know we were just like it's hot here it's so hot i love the pacific northwest having grown up there and so that's why we moved back Um, but, you know, I'll tell you, man, I, and I, I, I know I've probably told you this before, but I've always felt like, no matter where I'm discovering like I'm constantly an outsider, constantly an outsider in the way, like, not when I grew up, you know, where I grew up in, in Oregon, like, it was great. Perfect child. I mean, it was a great child. I loved it. And I'm obsessed with it. I always tell people like how much, if I can match that childhood for my own kids or whatever, you know, I love that. But. But. But, you know, moving, getting, you know, going to college in Utah and getting the Napoleon gig and then moving out to L.A. Yeah, for sure. I felt like an outsider. Oh, I'm this, you know, small town guy.

I'm not the smallest town, not a total like hayseed, but kind of like, hey, um, I did not grow up in Hollywood. I do not have Hollywood parents or any kind of pedigree that or family tree that, you know, worked in the business. So I'm here. I feel like an outsider. I've always, you know, the entire time I've lived here, but not in a bad way. I kind of embraced it.

I loved like, oh, that's kind of what set me apart a little bit. But then, you know, again, like for the reasons I just explained, we moved finally. And I love it up there. But I now feel like, well, I'm the Hollywood guy. Or at least it is in my blood to be like in the entertainment industry and up where I moved up into Washington area. It's like. There's not much of that. No, there's not really much of that.

And once again, I feel like an outsider. But again, in a good way. Like, I love it. You know, people around me, I mean, boy, where we moved to, there's like countries and farms and it's like some very different vibe out there than out here in L.A. And I love them both. Yeah.

It was hard to leave California. I'm now full on West Coast, baby. Like just. West Coast, baby. Baby. California, Oregon, Washington. I love it all and they're all different vibes. But I, I don't know.

I just, yeah, I've always felt like an outsider and I think that's how I always will feel. But I think a lot of people in a good way, like I love that. Yeah. No, I get it. I get it. We've talked about this before, but you're not a person who really gets anxiety, are you? No. It's crazy because four kids.

married, balancing an acting career, and doing all these other things that you do, it just seems like every morning would be anxiety. Holy crap, I've got four kids of different ages and going through different things and one's shy and one's... I think it's... I almost feel like anxiety is the result of not handling stress well. Like if you get stress and you let it get to you,

then you have anxiety. I don't know if that's true. Yeah, but... Well, I let it get to me. but it gets to me because and what i'm saying is everybody will have something to stress about every and yes i will have stress but then i don't try not to stress about it or at least let the stress affect me too much you know how do you do that i don't think i think it's just a natural i don't know i don't it's never i always raised do you think has anything to do with it self-reliance yeah it's so hard to say i mean it could be i was always pretty happy i i attribute i look a lot i always try to think like what made my childhood what made me who i I am and why did I feel? I truly felt happy as a kid. Yeah.

I think a big part was I have a twin brother. Okay. So I always think about like I always had a playmate. Yeah. And in this case, you know, I know a lot of twins are different. My twin and I, you know, were like we're the same. But the same in the way that it was, it was perfect because we like the same things. We had the same interests.

We had the same talents and skills. We were pretty much the same at everything. But instead of becoming a really comprehensive. competitive. And yes, there's probably an underground competitiveness that lays there that therapy would probably unleash like a monster. But I don't know. At the same time, it doesn't really. Like we've also been very supportive of each other. Yeah. And but you know, growing up as a kid, you always had a playmate. You always had someone there. And I think that laid a foundation. And also my dad being a doctor and scoutmaster. And even when he was,

He just felt safe, didn't you? I felt safe. I always felt safe. Like everything's going to be okay. I think that's a huge. Yeah. I don't think I felt that. I didn't feel that as a child.

I felt like nothing's going to be okay. Yeah. And everything is in chaos. My life is in chaos. My family is chaos. Yeah. The world around me, everything is in chaos. And I think that that has affected me tremendously.

I mean, it's, it's just, it's, you know, product of your own environment. And I don't know. if that was my dad's thinking in his brain, but, you know, he was successful and he just instilled that sense of security, but like, okay, but it's not just security, it's safe.

It was just like, okay, I felt safe. Even though we, maybe sometimes physically we were doing crazy stuff and he had his go on trips, but more like the future, like everything's going to work out, you know, but it's also, I think, in large part due to my faith, you know, and like believing in

that, you know, like, good will come from our good acts. But even then, like, if you are good at heart and you're doing your best, you're enduring to the end, as we say, and you are doing your best to keep the commandments, to do good unto others, and to, you know, just all around be a good person and to do good and to be kind and do all these things and to follow, you know, be a Christ-like person. following his footsteps and and be like him and I think that encompasses all the great stuff about just loving everyone and anyways yeah everything I'd say just trying to do good then all will be

good I mean and even if you don't it in you yeah and even if you don't experience it and there are certainly things I've you know like there are times where I feel like you know whether it's been hopeless or just like oh man this sucks or I don't know like I just always feel like you what? It's going to be fine. It's going to be fine. And that's what I'm trying to do with my kids and my family is just like I'm not my dad. I'm not as smart as him. I'm not as talented as him. I'm not just not him. I don't want to put myself down. But, you know, I'm way more talented than my father. I can't create that same kind of house. And, you know, and so I'm always like, if I can just help my kids feel like they're safe and that everything's going to be, as long as

they are trying to do their best to be good, you know? Yeah. Then, you know, you're going to be okay. And but trust in yourself, push yourself. You got to push yourself. You got to try new things. You got to like get out there and, and just, you know. Explore.

And do uncomfortable things to help yourself learn and grow and expand your mind and your body and your spirit. Yeah. Cool. I like, you know, look, every. you know, different things work for different people. And I've seen religion where it doesn't work. And I've seen religion where it works.

You have a close family. You've all gone to church since you're, you know, since you're tiny. And it's worked for you. It's worked for your family. There's a lot of things that work for you, you know, and it's also I like when you don't see people always saying, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you know, you don't, you know, what's the word? you don't preach yeah yeah you don't preach yeah um let me ask you this have you ever been star struck um yeah yeah i don't know ever struck dumb it's not star struck dumb but just i've always played it cool i've always been like yeah no that's great there's i can tell you the few little

times i ran into ali g uh sasha barricone yeah at a party like early in my career right And I found that if I was running into people that I felt maybe they're not as big here in the States or like or something I had just been watching. I don't know. Like I just remember running into him and thinking, whoa, okay. And at the same party, there's, you know, Mel Gibson or there's, you know, huge names. And I think they're incredible, amazing. But I didn't get Star Trek maybe because I wasn't meeting them. Right.

But even if I was, it was just like, you know, I don't know, like running into him. That was awesome. You got a little Starstruck. I got a little Star Trek. Was he cool? Yeah, it was very cool, but it was very brief. It was just like, hey, man, yeah, hey, okay, and then we go. Patrick Stewart.

Really? Oh, yeah, because I've always, like, I loved Star Trek next generation growing up. Patrick Stewart, I've always been like, and I would tell people, if I could meet someone, I'd love to meet Patrick Stewart. And I finally ran into him. Oh, thank you very much. He played my dad in a movie. He played my dad. We didn't share any scenes.

What was that? it was uh... Walt Disney one yeah it's called Christmas no no no it was called Christmas Eve it was like it was a small independent film you know and it was kind of like one of those where it's all these different intertwining stories

so I never shared any scenes with him I never met him during production I didn't meet him until we um we did the uh like premiere for the film yeah right right and it was I mean it was amazing but it I don't know it's like because we didn't sit and have a lunch I think it would be more start struck if we could be

have a one on one right because then you're like it's pressure It's like, oh. James Cameron was one of the other really amazing. Like I went to a private screening of Avatar when he was right before he was coming out in theaters at his, my friend won a like auction. There was an auction where he got tickets to a private screening at James Cameron's personal theater at his at Lightstorm.

And so I go there with my buddy and he's there and he does. And it's only like, you know, 15, maybe 20 people just. like a very intimate audience and he goes he intros the film is afterwards i'll do a little q and a you know no problem so he comes in after the film and he's like hey and he's like answering questions and i was like all these people are licking his butt they're just asked they're not even asking questions they're just saying oh it's amazing what you're doing with this film is like i'm going to ask him a real question like a geek so i asked him about like it's like so i heard about this really involved process that you did with the motion capture sensors for the face to

Captual the facial movements. I was like, you want to talk about that? Or how did you exactly do that? And he looked at me and he was like, oh, there's a great question. And then he paused, it's like, you're John Heater, aren't you? I was just like, oh, my gosh. And so that was a huge. Wow.

Like he was like saying, oh, yeah, me and my family were fans. That was a starstruck moment for sure. Well, what about working with Will Ferrell? Well, yes. I mean, but then you don't think of, yeah, I guess. I mean, sure, Starstruck, but I don't think it's not Starstruck dumb. Like, the first time we met was on the ice. It was for training.

So he, because we, he didn't get a, he didn't get connected to the film until after I did like, originally it was going to be Ben Siller and I. And then Ben couldn't do it. So, you know, but Ben was producing. He was like, don't worry, John. We'll get someone else. I was so bummed. And then he was like, oh, we got Will Ferrell. I was like, okay, that's pretty cool, I guess.

No, you didn't. No, of course. No, I was like, I was just like, oh my, okay, that's pretty sweet because so yes, but the first time we met because he was so humble and I think humbled by the ice. Right. I was just like, I just remember he was like, you're ready to do this? And I was like, this is a perfect thing for him to say because I could see kind of the excitement, but also he knew like I was, I don't know, like he was a really cool senior. in high school with the letterman's jacket. And I was Lucas, the nerdy little freshman who was being taken under his wing.

And it introduced me to all his, like, cool high school buddies. Could you tell Will liked you? Was there something, did you tell he like, or was it just business? And it was like, hey, great scene. Or did you guys hang out or what? Come on, dude. What's not to like? What's not to like?

No, yeah, he was, I mean, I think he liked me. I mean, he didn't seem, he was very down to earth, not at all. He didn't BS, BS any. like he was very kind and sweet and did he make you laugh a lot oh yeah i mean it's like but he wasn't trying he was just like he was a filmmaker like he was just like oh like let's do this and we think about it and like all right let's do this thing but he was also kind of like just chill and like would make jokes we laugh about people on set or like oh what about this guy and we try things out i loved working working with it was it was a dream come true yeah um and you know

I learned a ton, but yeah, he was, I think he liked me. I will say this. I will say this. This is cool. So, you know, unlike a lot of other, you know, I've worked with a lot of people and I don't keep in contact with most of them. I mean, not out of choice. It's just like, you know, Will's on another level.

And honestly, I don't have his number. I never got his number. We were big and sharing stuff. So, but I, years later, years later, this is the first time I had seen him. Like there was something where we were trying to produce and get made back in 2010. So I saw him then, or 2009. So it was years later, this is a couple of years ago. I go to this screening in L.A.

For a show that he was in. But he was a small part in it. But I was invited regardless by, I think, my management. So I bring my buddy and we're going. And this is my buddy who's not in the business at all. I was like, this would be fun to bring him here. There's a lot of people. It'll be a fun thing too much.

So we're walking around. And in the after party, you know, they have all those tents set up. And I finally see Will and he's in the back, back corner kind of alone and, you know, admittedly looking kind of tired and little grayer that I remember. But it was just, he was tired. And he wasn't standing. He was just sitting the whole time. And everybody around him was like, you know, standing and talking him.

But there wasn't a huge crowd. I don't know. Like it was just, he probably just wanted it to be. kind of quiet alone. But, and I was like, sitting there with my buddy. I was like, dude, you had to go. Like, you did a movie with them. I was like, I know, I know.

But I never like bothering people. I just like, especially a party. He's like, I don't want to bother them. But it is a party. He wouldn't have come if he wasn't ready to socialize a little bit. So you went over. So I was like, fine. I was like, but I did say to my friend, like, watch this, watch this.

Like, see him. Because the interesting, he wasn't standing up at all. He wasn't standing at all. And I'm guessing he was just tired and like, oh, people can sit down or talk to me. I was like, dude, watch this. He's going to stand for me. So, you know, I walk over there finally. I was just like, dude, Will. And, you know, we lock eyes. And he's just like, he's like the big eyes. And he's like, John. And he stands up and gives me a big hug. And I was just like, yeah, yeah. No, no. I was just like, yeah. And it was great to have that

reunion. And it was like, I mean, he'll always have a special place in my heart. And I hope I have the same place. That's nice. Lastly, before we get into these some Patreon shit talking questions with John Heater. I know you hosted Saturday Night Live. And you say you don't really get nervous. You say you don't get anxiety. I don't know how one wouldn't get a little anxiety when they're going on national television to do Saturday Night Live.

You had to be nervous. Yes, I was nervous for Saturday Live. But in the good way, like, I remember this, the exhilarating. Which to me, what felt like a mix of like, you're nervous, but it was just. I felt like I was in good hands. They were all so prepared and so like, this is what's going to happen. This is what's going to happen. And it was a weird ride I'm telling you.

Like if it was now, I would be more, I feel like it would be more nervous, but I'd be more professional. So maybe I wouldn't be as nervous. There I was just kind of riding the coast. I was always professional, like, but I would probably, you know, input more jokes and put more writing, but come up with more stuff. You let them do their thing. Yeah, it was just like, hey, I was.

I'm kind of here long for the right. I don't know what I'm doing, but I'll do my best. But I was so young and still green. And I just, I mean, creatively, I still had a lot to, you know, really kind of, you know, blossom, I suppose, you know. So it was a great experience. But I was definitely, like, I was nervous leading into it, but also, like, using those nerves and just like, let's ride this wave, baby. And, uh, and have fun. And it was, it was a blast.

I mean, I was like, I'd easily do this again. Wow. Did you hear that, Lauren? I'd easily do this again. That's amazing. It just seems like, gosh, there's so much going on. Lauren's like, yeah, okay, do another hit movie. Maybe I'll let you in.

Yeah, get another hit movie. This is shit talking with John Heater. These are my patrons, lovable patrons who get to ask questions. And thank you. Go to patreon.com slash inside of you to become a patron. I'll message you. I appreciate you. I love you.

Thank you. here we go this is uh Megan h heater what's the update on horror movies latest ones you've watched liked didn't like heater she says it like we're good friends maybe she follow us on i feel like that's what people say when they really know a heater heater we're friends what's the update on horror movies well we just give you an update on one movie um black phone no we watched one last week that um the cursed the cursed was great i thought it was okay it was good no I didn't think it was okay. I thought it was good.

Better than okay. We also saw. It was pretty fun. What was the one with the kids have powers? X-Men. No. Oh, that's right. It makes sense.

No, it was called the kids? Remember that in the old apartment building and the, you know, they dropped the animal through the stairwell. Oh my gosh. Why am I blanking on this? Are you sure we said? Did you not watch it with us? Wait, drop an animal. The innocence.

Oh. Oh, I missed that one. Thanks were ruining it. That was pretty good. You mentioned the one I missed. That was dark. Yeah, I don't know. We were just talking about one cut of the dead.

Yeah, we watched that. It's not scary, though. No, but the first hour is the worst movie you've ever seen and the last hour is one of the best you've ever seen. Yeah. So stay with it. Maya P. What are the best pranks you've pulled on each other? Oh, man.

You know, I feel pressured. I'll tell you this in Hollywood. I feel pressured to be a prankster. because everybody, everybody, every stupid, like, junket that you go to, press junket, they're like, what kind of pranks do you guys do on set? I've never been a prankster. I've really, and I don't know. I was like, I feel like that should be in my nature.

I'm a really, I like to think of myself of a really fun guy. I think pranks just feel mean to me. And yet, you know, people will get a good laugh as long as it's safe. But it's still like, I'd rather laugh with someone than at someone. Not to say that pranksters are bullies, but I just, I don't know. I'd rather put my creative juices into something. I feel like, I think I fear the repercussion. Really?

Oh, yeah. If I prays someone, they're going to get you back. And I'm like, and I can be a good sport. That's one thing I will say about like when I did a, um, all those years ago, um, when Ashton Kutcher's show, a punked. punked yeah i remember when that was out and that was popular and it was like but seeing the show i was like this like brought out the worst in these people oh yeah like you just see them like lose they tried to punk me many times and chris they kept going to chris our friend chris mcdonald

yeah who um and he never and he they go chris we want to punk him we want to punk him we want to punk him and he was like he wouldn't do it he said no what do you mean he wouldn't he wouldn't let them do it to me. Why not? Because he knew that I would probably lose it. I'd lose my shit. I'd probably lose my shit. I would not look good. Now, I was like, I remember when it happened thinking after it happened, I was like, wait, I, but also leading up thinking like almost like, am I going to get punk? No, like I'm not a name. I'm not like a big enough name. So I kind of felt safe. But then when it happened, I felt good about the episode because I did not lose my, because they're like, if you do any, I mean, they're like, what if we ruin his car?

is like my brother who they went to he's like well he's got a pretty crappy car he won't care or what if they do this ah he doesn't care about that like you can't you can't really get you i don't think i would get ever like you know piss like that so my shit some of the things they wanted to do i was like you new new uh chris r what would be your dream project to work on um my dream project would be oh man i mean i still would love to do uh i would love to do like a sci-fi action sci-fi movie maybe with some action i did i mean i did my first real action film a couple years ago that tremors movie yeah yeah tremors five seven seven seven seven you can get that on netflix folks um it's fun yeah i mean but it was like it was finally doing

like something with like i didn't have a gun but i had like a chainsaw i had blow torch i mean not a blowtorch but a flamethrower. And you're running around doing stunts. I love doing action. I really did love doing action. I would love to do more of that. And I love sci-fi. I would love to do a sci-fi.

I don't know. Like, you know, it would be amazing to work with the Cohen brothers. Obviously, it would be like a dream of true. Oh, yeah. Dana asks, if you can remake a scary movie, what would you remake? I don't want to remake stuff.

I want to make new things. No, I would remake a bad movie, make it good, right? How many movies? I'm trying to think of a movie we've seen like, no, that could have been good. Black phone. Black phone. No, like, if I could remake a scary movie, what's a, like, I want to make, oh, it would be awesome. They made a movie.

No one's made a good Wendigo movie. What's Wendigo? Wendigo. Oh, if you know your Native American lore from the Pacific Northwest. Northwest. It's that spin, the Wendigo. Some people Wendigo. I'll pronounce it Wendigo. They made a couple of really, you know, bad movies. So I guess I would take one of those and try to remake it, but make it cool. All right. The

Chief. Where do you disagree or differ on your horror preferences compared with Rosie? Oh my gosh. It's all horror. It's all horror based. Well, on our preferences, they nicknamed me John Hater sometimes. We do. You say Hater because he hates a lot of it. He hates everything. No,

I just, I think with these guys, a group and with Rosie, I can be a little bit more honest because I'm always pretty like, I think with film, I'm a little bit more critical, which is weird because I love film

and I will be positive, but I love what it can do. And when I see the possibilities, I'll kind of hate on something even if I love it. Right. and try to be positive, but like, I'm a little bit more, I think I am more critical. And yet there's been projects that I like that you don't like.

So I don't know exactly where we differ. You're more like, you really want some good. Scares. Jump scares. And I want, I want, I want tone. I want, like, to be creeped out, like, almost the entire film. Like, I don't care if it doesn't have a jump scare. But if my, I think we're both looking for our hairs to stand on end for sure.

Yeah, for sure. Um, and that's, that's what we, we've both been looking for. But I'm a little bit, I don't mind mood as much. Yeah. And a slow burn, it can take its time if it's got some cool moments. I'll be more forgiving of subtitles. Yeah. Usually the subtitle movies are good.

A lot of times. Yeah. We watched that found footage movie. That was pretty good. We all liked. And then there was another one. I forgot what it's called Titus, Tinnitus. Oh, Titanic.

Titane. Titan. That was wild. That was weird. Oh my gosh. Anyway. Well, dude, I liked having you here. I know we only got to hang out for a day, but it was a lot of fun.

We went swimming. We went for a hike. We had movie night. We didn't do any of our own dives. What are our old dives? Our old dives is your basement. Yeah, we went. We watched the ILM documentary on Disney Plus.

We had friends over. Your brother was here. It was good. It was good to catch up. He finally did the podcast, the right way. The right way. He did it a long time ago, but it's not available the first year. He deleted it because I was so unruly.

And he was all over the place. He was all over the place. I was trying to like, all right. I'm one of his first guests, but I'm going to show people like I can like do us lay down and do whatever. Because I was also calling out. It was like we literally just had this everything you're asking me. I talked to you. Yes.

Normally. everything you've talked to me about this before what do you and I'm like what do we have to talk about people don't know this they don't know but it was a real treat thanks for allowing me to be inside you buddy thank you man thanks John love the guy it's one of my besties in the world uh he just cracks me up I don't know he's he's just uh he's a good dude he's able to just get out of the adult mode and just be a kill a lot just be fun and I like people who are fun and laid back at the same time. It's easy to roll with it.

You're not trying. You're just, he finds me funny. I find him funny. We just get along. And we both hate many horror movies because they're not good. At the time of this recording, I don't know what Jason was able to use of the wide shot, but I forgot to focus the wide shot on this entire episode.

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