Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum - Nathan Fillion

Episode Date: December 8, 2020

Nathan Fillion (Castle, Firefly) joins me this week for an episode largely centered around the idea of managing expectations throughout life. Nathan shares how he’s had to manage expectations of new projects after personal experience with disappointing ones that he thought would be hits and others that were surprise cult classics. He also talks about managing expectations of his relationships with his parents, helping tame the expectations of actors to get the best out of them on set, and curbing the expectations on things you cannot control versus the things that are within your power. Awesome episode folks, hope you enjoy it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Thanks for listening. If you didn't listen to it, you know, it's one of those episodes that's just so damn. I really think it's amazing. I've gotten so many. In fact, Jason Isaacs, who that interview is going to come up early next year, you know, Lucius Malfoy and the Patriot. He was the bad guy and great actor I worked with in Sweet November. He said, I just love the. I'm not going to do an English accent.

I just love the episode with Tim Omenson and Selma Blah. It was just, it really was. It was touching. And so if you haven't listened to it, it's last week's episode. Go back and listen to that one. I think you really dig it. And, yeah, it's nice when you do an episode that, you know, touches people in a certain way. Yeah.

So that was cool. And kudos to, of course, Ryan, my amazing editor, for putting it together, you know? It was moving to watch again. Well, actually, I mean, because I sit over here. and I can't see what they look like and I can only just hear it but it's it's sort of like yeah it's a new experience getting to see what they're what they look like and how it's being delivered yeah so real bit real quickly a big shout out you guys came to my uh concert our band sunspin we played on stage at which we do the last saturday of every month 2 p.m and 6 p.m.

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but he uh you know him from serenity and firefly and castle and been everywhere and it was a real joy talking to him finally and uh one of those guys i've known for a long time but i really don't talk to you very much um but it was a joy talking to him and a lot of people wanted me to get him on the on the on the show and it's taken me a long time but finally he said yes and uh i think you guys are going to really enjoy this episode it's called it's called it's called inside of you This is Nathan Philean. Let's get inside of the great Nathan Fillion. It's my point of view.

You're listening to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. When I go about you, I just can't get in my mind. I just can't get enough. Just can't get enough. You son of a B. Nathan Philean, look at your mustache is perfect. You know what? It's my first, I'm nearly 50 years old.

I turned 49 this spring. It's my first mustache ever. Ever. And right now, I mean, nobody sees it. It's just for shock value when I first see my friends for the first time in a little while. Well, I was going to say, why do you look so much more handsome than me? But there's a reason for that because you are. But B, your camera says,

One thing about Nathan that you don't know is many years ago, I was at his house on Hill Slough. I lived on Hill Slum, Studio City, and you live right near me. And I remember talking. I go, yeah, I just shot this wiffle ball game video because my friends and I am playing Indiana. You'll, well, come to my house. Let's edit it. I'm like, oh, what? And we sat down at your computer for, I think it was like 10 hours.

Well, yeah, I said, oh, we'll be done in like an hour and a half, two hours max. And we were there to, oh, my God, it was after midnight. we were ordering food we were drained but i mean it was i movie had just come out yeah you could do your own things but you had to put in clips uh slowly because it couldn't handle vast amounts of the rendering yeah how you doing buddy i'm doing well man i you know i miss you i i've been doing all right you know i talk about that you know everybody's going through their own shit so it's like you know you know no one could complain i mean i'm very grateful i've learned and by the way I think you're an example of that

you're someone who's always been incredibly grateful the Nathan that I know is just always been very I mean when you come to even like a James Gunn will throw a you know a name dropping but you know we're mutual friends with him for a long time and I'll have a gathering and you'll bring something over you bring me a gift

at a party no one does that like I'll have an event and you'll come over and go hey this is for you I got this you're just so thoughtful and I'm like is he human that's something I got my mom taught me that but she says if someone has invited you to their home, you bring the host

again. You say, thank you. Thank you for having me in your home. Here's a little gift. It doesn't have to be much, but it's just to say, it's a something. It's a bottle of wine. It's whatever it is. It goes a long way. I'll say that. And then she has a gift closet, by the way. So she doesn't have to go out and get one. She just goes to the closet. So I have a gift closet down the hall when I go to

Microrosolson. No, you don't. You have a closet with gifts there already that you're like, oh, Rosenbaum would like this. So you, how much time do you just a cumulative? a closet full of things? Yeah. So I love gadgets and gizmos and things that are cool and make my life better. Just little things, little tiny things. And I say, that's a good.

That's a game changer. Oh, my God. I never knew my iPhone cable is terrible because it's only, it's not 10 feet long. I need a 10 foot long iPhone. I do. It's life changing, man. It really is. I'm on my, you know, I sit there to wherever it's charging.

If you have to get on something, it's like you're limited to where you can Well, get a little battery, a little something, anything. I say, oh, I find something like that. And I just say, oh, this is amazing. This helps me. I'm going to buy five more and put them in the closet. Wow. Maybe I should do that.

I just have a closet full of presents from my family and friends. And, oh, shit, I forgot to give them this two years ago. Yeah. Have you ever done that? Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh, my God.

I once sent something to my brother. Jeff? Yes. You met Jeff. Of course. To give to my mom for something, and it didn't arrive in time. And so I got her something else. And I don't know how many months later, it was Mother's Day or her birthday.

Like, there's one or the other. And he's telling me on the day. Oh, it's her birthday to him. I forgot. What am I going to? And he goes, don't worry. I've got that thing in the closet that you ordered her from something. I've already had to wrap.

I'm sorry. He's clever too. Well, you know, man, I look, I mean, your body of work is just like, you know, Nate, you're always doing something. And it's hard to understand, too. I envy you not only because you work a lot. It's not about that. It's more about the energy.

I look at all the things you do. You go from seven seasons on Castle, and I thought you'd learn your lesson and say, that's enough work. That's enough work. I was the lead. And then you go into the rookie. And then you're doing all these other things. And is it that you love, I've asked this question every once in a while,

but is it that you love the work so much that you just want to work? Or is it that you don't want to be not working or you don't like being alone? What is? Is there some kind of psychological thing there? Or is it just you love work? I don't get it. I am not the guy who has to spend all my time working. I like a balance.

I do like a balance. I have been fortunate enough that there's been a couple of jobs that have kept me working for long periods of time. So it may appear from the outside that I really like to work. That's just luck of the draw of being on some jobs that tend to last a little while that's not usually the how it works you which is you know that you know that how many years was small well i did seven but remember tom was that all tom was in every episode like you were in every episode so how do you have free time because the one thing if i had two weeks off i'd be

worrying about my lines for the next script uh i yeah on castle it was a little different because i didn't have a lot of time off so i was really precious with my time off i wasn't trying to work outside of Castle. As far as, how do you remember your lines? My first gig was soap opera. Days of our lives? One life to live. One life to live. Well done. Well done. Yes, thank you.

And they sent me to an acting coach, and she said, you already know how to act. I'm just going to teach you how to break down a script so you can remember your lines. And she taught me a way that I used to this day. I used to do it painstakingly on paper and pen and have to study and do those things. But now it's just a muscle. wait a minute so there's a trick to the thing there's a there's a breakdown a certain way to learn them that helps you i mean i i just no one ever taught me anything i mean i took acting classes and then i got

did a lot of plays but i just went over and over and over and over and stress myself out there's an easier way to do it something that's what is your process when you start with a character where do you start and how do you get to your character how do you find things like what is you you have a process right yeah i feel like okay this is what i want to do and now once i feel like I got this, or sometimes I tend to learn the lines first and then find the character in the lines and learning. So it's a different thing, but I always am curious about how people do that. Because when you're on Castle and you're on Rookie and you're doing these movies, are you the guy that wakes up and they're like, Nathan? Did they say Nate or they say Nathan? Okay.

They say, can I get you a coffee? And you're like, yeah. And then you learn lines right in the chair. Yes. Yes. I'm reading the lines in the chair. Then you go in, you do a camera rehearsal. You do a couple rehearsals, you know, like that, and you get a little bit of a layout. So that educates you, and then how other people are doing their lines and where that kind of life lives, that educates you a little bit. And you go, okay, I got it now. And then you run it a couple more times as you're getting changed. And that's all you need, really. And then you're just, then you're just running it and running it and running it. And if you make a mistake, they go back. It's not like you have to be amazing and perfect every time all the time. But there's got to be a speech that you have to give

it. You know, I might need to go over this the night before. I won't lie to you. I had like a three page, it wasn't a monologue, but there was a lot to say. And that's, it's a lot for even me. And I'm good at that part of it, but that was a lot. And at that point, you do feel some responsibility. If you make a mistake, you're the one holding things up. And that's just the one thing I never want to be is the one people are waiting on. Just be ready. There's a lot of time in the day that you can use. When it's your time to work, just be ready. Do you get frustrated with other people if they don't know their lines? Listen, sometimes people get nervous

and they don't have the, I have so much practice. I have so much practice. I think folks come and their stakes are a little higher when they're a guest star. Sometimes the stakes get higher and if they make a mistake, they feel terrible. And I say, hey, if you feel like super duper bad about messing up the line,

it'll educate the crew that maybe I should start feeling bad when I mess up a line. I don't want them to have that kind of expectation. I believe that you do that. that because I've heard that you do that where you've been on set and you're just very comforting to guest stars and things and I've done that before too because coming into someone's family and expecting to be it's so intimidating and I've been fortunate of not to have to do that so you know not to be a guest star I mean I every once in a while but to come in on a show that's already

rolling let's go and like I have to be great I have to be great here's Nathan filling and shit he's the lead he's watching I have to impress him I well I can't tell you what they're thinking I do know that to be a guest on a show is an art. It's like being a guest in someone's house. You want to be relaxed. Listen, I want people to be relaxed in my home. When people come to my place of work, I want them to be relaxed there too

because that's when they're going to do their best work. When they feel like they can trust everyone enough there, that they can try something and fail and it's okay, that's where I want them to be. That makes perfect sense. Have you ever been one? because I've always, you always seem together. You always seem like you have it going on.

You're professional, your kind. Do you ever, have you been on sets or in the past, have you freaked out? Have you gotten so nervous or you can't get something or you were so worked up about something? Any job where you're just like, I remember that and that was uncomfortable, why I never, what was it? Yeah.

Saving Private Ryan, I had one job. I come in and go, yes, they say, your brothers are dead and I have to cry. And that's all I have to do. That's it. Just do it. and I was just it was my first movie

and it's a World War II period piece and they flew me to London and I'm looking at the ticket and the ticket costs more than I'm making to do the movie and I'm I just can't even understand in the hotel I'm staying is beautiful and I've never been to London before

and the time change I was I was beside myself everything's going on and there's all these huge movie stars around me and they go go and I'm supposed to Okay. And I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't. Well, can't they blow vapor in your eyes? I'm sure they can. This is a Steven Spielberg movie. I'm not interested in cutting any corners. I'm really not.

Did he come and talk to you like, Nathan? Steven Spielberg came and took me side and he said, great job. And I said, I don't, I'm not even, I don't, I'm not even crying. I can't even, I can't get there. And he said, listen, we're so far away in the lens. It doesn't matter. There's five of us in that video booth. We all bought it. What I'm hearing you. is that wherever it is here, it's not coming out here from the heart to the to the outside world. So let's talk about it. And he spends maybe two, three minutes talking to me about, I tell him my homework. And he said, okay, let's change this and this. And what if it's this? And now think about this. And now turn that camera of your mind's eye around and who's looking at that? And all of a sudden, oh my God, it's just, it's tragic and it's awful. And I start crying, listening to him. he says you look ready how do you feel and off we go you couldn't stop me for crying

I cried 17 times that day that's so freaking weird because I you know that that was my first moment on a movie was I had to cry with Clint Eastwood what movie was that midnight in the garden of good and evil and Clint Eastwood that the first scene they ended up cutting the scene because they didn't really need it but I it was John Cusack Kevin Spacey Clint Eastwood's there and I remember the same thing I'm listening to Fleetwood Mac because it reminds me something in childhood and I'm trying to listen to music and get in the moment I'm so into it and I'm so stressed and I'm probably doing what you were doing just kind of

whatever I got to get there spending hours on just to cry and Eastwood comes up to me and he just sits next to me and he just starts pretending to cry he just goes and I look at him I go see what are you doing and he goes well I'm just trying to loosen you up Michael I go well he goes just let it happen know just it will happen you just let it go and when you're ready when you're ready we'll roll that's it's not it just it amazes me that that giant cowboy a giant rock of a man is artsy oh and he when i heard you know he doesn't call action he didn't he goes he looked at me and he just i looked at him and he just goes he gave me a thumbs up and i gave him a thumbs up and he goes jack

did the roll sign. Jack Green, the roll sign, and he started rolling camera, they moved in. Did he goes, well, how'd you feel? I go, I don't know, how'd you feel? He goes, oh, I feel pretty good. And I go, you want another? But we're good. And we did another and that was it. It was just, you know, and that says a lot. It says about two great directors. It says, also back to what you're saying about with guest stars, comforting someone, just saying, hey, we're human. It's okay. Let's just do this. It's not as much pressure on you. You're capable you're here for a reason and when you're comfortable you could do a lot more you know when you're freaking out it's hard to get the job done so i've guessed it in places where i look around

and i say this the community here is broken and i can't focus all i can think about is just get me out of here let me do my lines do my scene let me go home it's all i'm thinking about get me out get me out i can't wait till i'm gone and i'm not doing good work at that point uncomfortable i don't trust anybody when has that happened early in my career early on wow i mean as a leader of a of a show do you tend to just try to do you mean you've got to do your best to cut you got to be the leader you got to try to have fun if everything's tense things aren't going to be as good i don't think it's even that much like you have to be a leader you just have to be it just just be nice just be nice just be polite just be nice just be decent just be kind well you talked about

your mom she's kind she's talking about gifts always bring a gift or your parents just really supportive and always behind you and just uh absolutely absolutely they were dying for me to show interest in any direction honestly when i was a kid i had i had really no wants or thoughts about what i was they had no plan uh and they were just always very very encouraging and if i found something that that you know tickled me they would encourage me absolutely yeah but you didn't want to be an actor first you wanted to be maybe did you want to be a teacher is that right well acting it was a pipe dream. I mean, I was from Edmonton, Alberta. I was, there's not a success-oriented career in the first place, never mind in my hometown. There's just no, nobody's going to look at you and

go, perfect, great plan. But I was already on the road to becoming a teacher. I felt if I have a degree at the very least, no one can shake a stick at that. And so I was pursuing a degree. And then just before I graduated, the acting panned out. I moved to New York. Were you popular in school? Athletic? I looked athletic, but I was into comics. So there was the gap. I could bridge that gap.

I hung out with all the kids at school. I was, I had a great time in high school. I really enjoyed my high school experience. I met a lot of neat kids from all over the strata. I didn't stop it, you know, just one click. Do you still talk to anybody from the old days? High school days? Yes.

Yeah. Yes, I do. Do people come out of the woodwork and say, hey, could you sign something for my brother or do you get that sometimes? I don't get a lot of that. No, no, I don't get a lot of that. I went to my 25-year high school reunion not too long ago. I think it was 25 years. They took a couple of years together. It was a small high school, and so they took a couple of years, and they said everybody were having like a big reunion with all these years.

And what was it like? It was fantastic. It's just the people that I knew in high school. it was like this girl from my French class just sitting next to me in French class all the time she came up to me she goes well I know everything that's going on with you so let me catch you up on me I've got two kids I'm married and have and she just goes on

but she's hilarious and she's just the same person she used to be I enjoyed high school were you single when you went to this reunion but there are any single women that you're like hey I'm going to quit my acting degree I'm going to move back to Alberta I found her I no it wasn't no That wasn't that deal, no. Most people were married, probably. Kids married?

Yeah, I think so. I think most of them were, yeah. But you had a good time. What happens after high school? People typically, typically, they marry off and whatnot, yeah. That happened to, just not me yet. Inside of you is brought to you by Quince. I love Quince, Ryan.

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What was the big thing you got that you just lit up your parents' eyes? You could tell like, well, holy crap, our sons done something right here. So I was comparing stories with some friends a little while ago. When did you make it? When do you feel that you made it? Like, when was your, here I am? And for me, it was every next step I took. thought well I've made it clearly one life to live I've made it yeah and then I'd put something in

the distance like if I can get on the late show with David Lutterman if I can get on David letterman I'll have made it and then you then I did it happened I dream come true I couldn't believe it and then you set another goal and you say if I get I'll make it then I'll have made it I need to go to your psychiatrist or if you don't have one I need to go to you I need to pay you to talk because we just come from two different places. You know, when I first got my first show in, um, in L.A. Uh, I thought I had made it. I drove cross country with all my guys. We wore overalls and we said we're not changing our overalls till we hit Vegas. We had a, I had a Voxway and a bus. I had a midnight runners. I guess we were dexing the midnight runners. What was the big hit? Come on a lane in a van

again dream. Uh, so yeah, so we changed all our clothes in, in Vegas and we drove out there and I go, I've done it, man. I, I, I, I, this. kid from small town went to new york did some off-broadway shows and now he's got a tv show and i thought everything changes now and i wasn't the lead i was like the sixth lead and i had you know not that well it was ranked like 130 out of 132 one of the worst shows on television by the way thank you but here and you know what's funny is it wasn't just no one paid attention to me it was that my parent my family my own family would even talk shit about it they would say god that show looks just awful doesn't it do they shoot that on what do they shoot that on i'm like uh video i i don't

it's like oh my gosh it's just the dialogue is just awful isn't i'm like oh my god this is i have not made it this is and so i feel like i was always trying to get ahead like okay what about this show oh my god we're on the subways wherever they're canceled so it's always like and i find that now that i'm 48 years old and i'm like well michael it's not about what you're doing it's about how you feel inside and what you feel that you've done and your accomplishments and what is that mr hand what is it that you've i don't know why i started talking like that but my point is how do you differentiate do you get frustrated in the thought of like uh man this didn't become this or oh in terms of how successful it is.

Do you feel better when it's more successful? I mean, I don't know. I see what you mean. I mean, early on in my career, I had a couple of things happened that allowed me some perspective as far as managing expectations. So I hope for the best. I plan for the worst.

Listen, I'm doing that now. I have that attitude now finally. I go, hey, I'm 150,000 people listen again this week. Great. If they don't. I'm not just doing it. I love it. I,

whatever. There's a few things that are within your control. Yeah. And there are some things that aren't. And if you can, if you can determine the difference and then just focus and just worry about the things that are within your control, it's, it's, I talk about it like it's easy.

Oh, all you got to do is, but it's not easy. And I, you know, you have to catch yourself all the time. And it's a constant process. But if it's outside of your control, let it go. If it's within your control, control it if you want to do a great job

on an audition you can't control what they think but you can control your part you can control the audition you can control your preparation you can control your character choices you can control just be prepared yeah just being prepared man if it's that important

be prepared that's in your control so it's so easy as success goes How can you not look at your career and say, oh, my God, how fortunate am I? I mean, make a list of all the actors in the industry and then just highlight the ones that have been on a television show for seven years. The list becomes dramatically shorter. It's not easy.

So you have already accomplished something that it's nigh impossible. to do and so much of that is outside of your control you didn't know that today was going to be therapy for me did you because this is what the show is a lot of times it's it's therapy for me you know that i think all of us sometimes i mean i think we're as culturally i think we are sort of told hey hey like don't play it down a little bit just back up a little bit when you talk about yourself don't pump yourself up so much nobody wants to it's bragging if you talk it but it's not bragging or egotistical or selfish in any way to take inventory of your accomplishments what you have done and what you were able to do and qualities that don't deny oh i'm not so nice

no you know how kind you are take an inventory you are where you are because of the choices you've made and the person you are you are a success and sometimes it's important that we do take those inventories And I think that's what we're doing right now. We're just taking a little inventory. Yeah. Thank you. Do you get anxiety? Have you suffered from any depression?

Have you dealt with things that you have to get help for? Absolutely. Oh, good. I mean, not good. I had that seasonal disorder where you, I get depressed in winter. If I don't see sun for a long time, I just, it takes me physically. It pulls me down. Now they have those beautiful lights, these full spectrum lights.

that if you're in Vancouver for months at a time when it's raining, turn on one of these lights a couple times a day. You get your vitamin D, get your, you know. You have those lights. Oh, heck, yeah, you do. God bless. I'm going to get the lights from me. I'm going to get the setup for the.

I got them in the gift closet. I mean, but when you get depressed, when you get anxiety, where does your mind go? Do you get like, what do you get down on yourself? Do you get down on like, why am I here? Do you get existential? What is it that gets you down? And what do you do about it? I'll worry and I'll stress and I'll close off a little bit and I'll withdraw.

I'll withdraw. I'll be cranky and I'll withdraw. It just takes a little time because I can't spend too much time like that. It's that sense of what am I going to do now? You only spend so much time in that question until you say, well, got to do something and you start doing something. And when I start doing something that I feel better, I was stressed out. It's a pandemic.

We are all incredibly stressed out right now. And to deny that would be silly. But people are stressed. I'm stressed. Building this facility to help me continue to work, to help me, I actually sat here and had drinks with my brother and my good buddy in Canada just last night. We just sat around for four hours doing this. I built this so I could do these things.

It settles me a bit. A project cleaning. Oh, my God. Are you OCD? Do you like things really clean? I am not OCD. I am the opposite. I collect.

I'm not going to say I'm a hoarder, but boy, I'll look at stuff and I'll go, that's clutter. That's just clutter. I got to go through that and say, I don't have an emotional attachment to any of these things, but it's still good stuff, but it's got to go to like a goodwill or something. That's got to go off. this is just garbage these things i can organize and now i feel fresh but that's that's time-consuming well you are a comic book collector right you love comics growing up now many guests have commented

oh look a jerk poster it's autographed and this i have autographed things and pictures and most of them 99% of them are like i don't do that and i'm like what do you mean they're like yeah you know i don't why do i ask somebody i'm working with or why do you need autographs it's just something i think i i don't know why but i love that do you get autographs do you get pictures do you you are like that i've got a bit of a collection things that things that ring uh inside me as far as it make my my heart move i've got my chubaca autograph my r2d2 uh my um marty and doc brown uh autograph i got my uh batman and robin the adam west and uh i'm sorry forgetting dick ward's name the robin character i can't remember so embarrassed but uh the

the old-timey one. I've got some souvenirs from my different films that I've been in. I purchased a home about a little over 10 years ago and it had a trophy case and I thought, what am I going to do with it? I know exactly what I'm going to do with this.

And now all my movie memorabilia are in this like lit, mirrored cabinet. I remember that because I remember coming to your house for something and you walk in the front door and there it was. I was like, good for him. I'm usually hiding this shit in my podcast room because I try to prove to everybody when they come to my house that I'm a fucking adult.

Look, it's a living room. There's no pictures of, there's no posters, there's no figurines. Just don't go in the podcast room or my office or maybe downstairs. But other than that, you haven't moved. You're in the same house. Same house. Okay. We're still very close by.

That house is sort of like a cabin. It's sort of like a castle. And it's sort of like a tree house. Yeah. It's kind of fitting. Your house has adventure written all over it. I do love it. I'm always thinking, you know, because during this time, and I don't know what's going,

I'm getting in this phase where I'm like, I want to, I want to get away. I want to, like, people are starting to leave. And I'm not saying, like, leave L.A. I'm just more like, I need nature. I've been watching that show alone on the history channel and I had a guest on here. What are you looking for? Beach or mountains? I think I want, like, you know, I like a view in the back or trees or maybe a lake in the back,

you know, some water. I was looking at a big bear, actually, because it's like somewhat reasonable. And you go out there and it's nice and maybe snow in the winter and, you know, I don't know. I just, I wonder if it's just all midlife crisis shit. Like, oh, you got to get out? You're not? And I think part, you don't think so? I don't think that is.

I, I have been eyeing property in Canada for years. And now I'm actually seriously pursuing it. It's like, it's time. It's time. I'm going to look now with, you know, some seriousness. And it's something I've always wanted to do. I don't think I'll retire. and live in Los Angeles.

I don't think I will. I think I will retire and live my summers in Western Canada and my winter's somewhere warmer. That's my plan. I hate to be that guy, and I don't think I am, but I don't know how healthy L.A. maybe is for me. I've got my own kind of thing,

and I'm able to write and do it. But I'm like, well, you can do a podcast. You could write. You can put yourself on tape. You can go to meetings. You can do whatever you want. You can come back in. You get flying.

You can Zoom. if you want you know maybe it's maybe my health i'd feel just better if i was just around nature more i know that was it's probably true we have to that's i mean for some people i have a friend who just absolutely abhors nature he wants the city life he wants a suburb he wants sky rises it's variations of urban is what he can handle um if he's out camping and there's like a skitter of a creature's like i'm out i'm out there's animals out here It's like he can't handle it. I want to breathe in that air.

I want to see the mountains, the lake, the ocean, whatever it might be. I want to recharge like that. I want my bare feet on the ground or in the water. I want that. I want that recharge. I think that's natural. I know. I see, though.

I remember just seeing pictures and things that you do with your brother. You go on these excursions. You're so close and you go to scuba diving. I can't go to scuba diving. I can't go scuba diving. I'm scared. Ever since the pilot episode of Smallville, and we had to get scuba certified and i had to go under 12 feet of water and be they put like

weights on me and then clark had to come save me i freaked out being under water so much and i just feel claustrophobic and it scares me that i'm going to have one of those i'm not smart enough i feel like uh are you there still you're there that i'm going to go down i'm going to go down a certain level and you have to decompress or whatever the pressure i worry about that and i'm like oh my god did i do that i'm going to end up killing myself it's scary scuba diving is it not well certainly if you're claustrophobic and it's triggering claustrophobia yeah that would be scary i'm scared of drowning i'm terrified of drowning but i'm not scared of scuba diving how about snorkeling that seems pretty cool it's i mean that's the closest thing to being in another

world that i've ever experienced that's another planet that like it's like you have abilities you can fly around and it's just it's i love the ceremony of it I love the travel. I love the seeing things. I have the opportunity. And I love making memories like that. And I think it's one of the most fantastic things I can do with the money I've earned is, well, one thing is plan for the future. That's a big thing for me.

Plan for the future. And make memories, enjoy memories. Do you want to, do you want to, listen, I'm 48. I feel like I could ask you this. You're 50. I've been a long. 49, Mr. Back it up. 49.

Sorry, you're 49. I'm very grateful. You're grateful. But, you know, my grandma, maybe it's because my grandma's chirping in my ear and she has been. She goes, when are you going to get married? When are you going to have kids? You'd be such a good dad. You'd be such a good.

A, do you hear this from your mom? And B, do you really think you want to get married and have kids or you want to get married? Have you thought? Or do you think, you know what? I like being alone and being in relationships every once in a while. And that's how I think I am wired. As far as my parents' expectations, I think my parents understand that their choices and their schedule was good for them and right for them at their time when the world was a certain way and when their choices were what they were. my the world around us you and i right now is different our industry is different i'm i'm a little

displaced uh there's a lot of things that are a little bit different but i think my parents understand that i am not in the same world or on the same schedule so and and they already have two spectacular grandkids that they're really really pleased with so that took a lot of pressure on that's good but do you think like you ever look in the future and go you know maybe I'll get married someday or, I don't know why, why don't have to get married? Why does it, why you just be with someone? Or do you feel that kind of pressure or societal shit? I don't feel pressure, man.

And as far as what's going to happen in the future, I mean, I look at my life and I think I never once imagined my life would be exactly what it is right now. This is the dream for me. I was locked up in Canadian winters, depressed as a kid going, this is really rotten. and I wish I could ride my bike and some sunshine. And now I live in Los Angeles. I pretend for a living. We make believe.

I mean, boil it down. It's we get together and we do really high quality make believe. I love my job. I love hanging out and meeting people like you. Michael, I'm going to change a subject really quick. That's a good call. I was just thinking about you when I was, Just thinking about it, just hanging out as I was getting ready for this podcast.

And I have known you for over 20 years. Yeah. I can't remember where we met. I was going to ask you that question, too, to start off. I've known you for so long. Well, you were doing a guy growing a pizza place. Two guys grow a pizza place, and you were doing small bill? No, I was doing, well, I was doing the show that didn't do very well.

I talked about earlier. And then I was doing a show called, well, it was called the Tom show. He knows it was bad. It was Tom Arnold, Ed McMahon. I mean, you know, but I had a great time. I was right next to Ed McMahon's trailer. He had a Bentley, and I had a Volkswagen bus in 1982. And every day he'd go, Indiana.

How are you, sir? I go, pretty good, Ed. I was so cold last night, I would do a car center. And he would go, how cold was it? I go, so cold I saw Robin putting his worm in the microwave. Weird one of stuff, Ed. And he would laugh and he would sleep during rehearsals. and it was just a treat, man.

And I loved it. It's a shame that you see what I do. I'm remembering great moments, but the moments that take me out of it are moments that judge me or judge the show that I'm on. It's not living in the moment. It's worried about other external things. I just put that together.

So I just told you a funny moment, some great times. I used to take a goat cart, ride the universal rides. I had so much fun if I think about it. It was probably one of the best times in my life. but I allow other external piece of shit show, what is this doing, what is this, no one likes it, my family's rude, you know, to affect the way I feel. Listen, I read an article that said, what's the difference between lucky people and unlucky people? And they said it was perspective.

Well, that's what I said. My grandmother, whatever favorite sayings, if you said, oh, well, this happened, that wasn't very good. You give her some bad initiative. Well, at least you got legs. She would say staph at least you got legs. Hey, are you friends with Justin Trudeau? I met Justin Trudeau one time. It was a charity event.

It was just before he was prime minister. It was a charity event. And it was a pickup hockey game. And he had just got checked up against the boards. And I was kind of right there. And he's getting cracked. Everybody's laughing. He laughs.

He looks at me and he goes to me and say, oh, hey, I know you. And then he continued and went off and played hockey. And then I got to meet him a little later on at a, at a, at a, a little dinner and it was very pleasant man very pleasant man so we met the one time all right so you know you know because the internet the internet says oh these aren'tians are friends and uh you don't really killed me one time is i i told somebody where i was from they said oh hey do you know uh and i come on man i'm not going to know your canadian friend and it turned out i knew their canadian friend you really knew their canadian friend one time someone said all i'm from canada i

I said, oh, where are you from in Canada? Oh, you would never heard it. They didn't know I was Canadian. I said, try me. And they said, I'm from Boyle, Alberta. And I said, well, tell me this. Do Brad and Scotty and their family still own the general store and hotel in Boyle? How do you know that?

Yeah. Their mom was my mom's best friend. We used to go out to Boyle, Alberta, and they owned the general store, which was connected to the hotel, and that was where we would stay. And we have these adventures out in the country. It just so happened. I knew her home. hometown, intimately.

By the way, there's a town called Dildo in Newfoundland. Did you know that? I don't know. There is. And come by chance. Come by chance? Come by chance. There's a come by chance and a dildo.

And fairyland. Fairland. Kilbride. By the way, in Canada, do they really say, we're going for a rep there, a bud? I want to go for a rip? It is said. I mean, my buddies didn't say that much. They didn't say rips?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, some people would say that, yes. I know Looney and Tooney and Toek And yeah I have a lot of Canadian friends What a Hozer is Yeah what is a hoser I know the word

Hey Hozer from uh If you were playing hockey And with your friends and you lost The losers of the game Would have to hose down the ice Oh The next Yeah so

So a Hoosers Yeah if you're doing a pickup game With just you've been making an ice rink You know In your backyard and you're having Hockey games with your buddies You don't have a Zamboni So you just really

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They get to ask some questions. Rapid Fire. You just ask him how it is. Lisa Hall, Flask, girl. Is it true that when you weren't the first pick for the role of Firefly and originally Joss wrote the character with Nicholas Brendan and mine, but scheduling conflicts gained you the role? Not true. Not to my knowledge.

That was true. Nicholas never told me. Raj, Dr. Horrible Sing-A-Long blog is one of my favorite musicals of all time. I even dressed as Captain Hammer for Halloween one year. Raj, you have excellent taste. For the love of all that is holy, please tell me there has been progress on putting together a sequel. I have heard the title of a sequel. That is the extent of what I've heard about.

DeCant, what was it like to work with Sarah Michelle Geller and David Boreannis during the last episode of Buffy? And do you still keep in touch with them? Oh my goodness. So I met Sarah Michelle Geller when we were both young soap stars. She worked down the street on all my children while I was on One Life to Live. So I'd met her a couple of times. I knew her already socially. And then David Boreannis I had met through actually Nicholas Brendan before they're a huge, well actually they were all just having great success. on Buffy at the time. And when I went to guest on Buffy, I'd already had a couple of dinners with David and known Sarah Michelle since the mid-90s. Did you ever date Sarah Michelle Geller, Nathan? Oh, no, no, never once, never once. I don't know if I believe you, but Lillianna Jimenez, what has been your favorite character to play? The one character you're like, you know, I know you have a lot of them. I mean,

it could be Firefly, it could be Castle, could be, I mean, there's a million but what is the one uh it's it's really it's really hard to just when someone says what is your favorite what is the ultimate i mean it changes daily so i'm going to just kind of do a gradient here okay malcolm reynolds was indeed an incredible character to play i had a list of things i wanted to do as an actor i wanted to uh shoot a gun i wanted to ride a horse i wanted to uh there's all sorts of things i wanted to do on tv a friend of mine and i just sat down and made our lists and everything I wanted to do on TV, I got to do in the first episode of Firefly, and I had to come up with an entirely new list. So as an actor, as a human being, I was a cowboy, I was a spaceman,

I was shooting guns, I was kissing lady. I mean, there was just, there was just no end to the incredible fun that that show was. However, short-lived. I wish I knew then what I know now. I think I could have done more. You know, you look back and you go, oh, I was, now I know different. I know differently how to deal with that choice or what have you. So you're trying to go too deep into that. Now on Castle, I had years, close to a decade, with which to become intimately connected with a character. Yes, he becomes more and more like a goofy knee with every passing month.

But there was a lot of freedom there to, improvise there was a lot of freedom to try things uh castle was very entertaining he was very childlike so uh comedy was i got to have a lot of we did a lot of comedy we did a lot of comedy we weren't considered a one-hour drama yet we weren't a comedy go figure hmm how do you explain all right so i understand what you're saying that you've played many characters but it sounds like you know those two characters really there was some incredible value in those characters At the same time, I'd never sung like that for the public in such a way. So Captain Hammer, yes, there was, I mean, what can I say?

Everything I've done has such a value for me. It's how to pick. Ray Ass. I just wanted to do that. Ray Asselin, I wanted to cough in between ass and Alin. I bet he'd never get that. I'm immature. Will he be playing Green Lantern again?

Will I be voicing him? Uh, probably. I wouldn't say no. They, they are very kind about inviting me in to go and, and do those things every once in a while. And if it's, uh, if it works, I always jump at it. Lisa, Lisa, Lisa Williams, did you keep any props or wardrobe from the Firefly set? Absolutely. What'd you keep? I, uh, I have, uh, one of our walkie-talkies from Firefly. I have my holster and my gun. I, uh, uh, have a not the original coat, but someone made me a, uh, uh, a mockup coat of Malcolm Arnold's brown coat. Um, what else do I have? Some of the gold bars. We had these gold bars that turned out to be food protein bars. I had a couple of those, uh, some firefly money. You're like me. I keep everything. My, my castmates always make fun of me. Oh, Rosamomom's going to take that. Wendy Feldblum. I just have to read this one. First,

thought oh my god Nathan Philean can I be your cougar no need to ask but total first thought so there it is just like that Wendy thank you Dave Dave P Plavie any chance for another Serenity movie get Joss back to

his roots I would like that you think it was a no brainer there's always a chance I've learned never say never I never have expectation I'm learning from this conversation Nathan Steph Alexander

can you give us any Clues about your TDK character and suicide squad. Clues. Um, yeah. Probably not the first guy you'd want to call on in an emergency. Oh, I like that. And looks remarkably young for his age. This sounds like a fun role.

Oh, my God. Listen, here's another thing I think is fantastic about this industry. Now, getting started is not easy and it's not fun all the time. Not every experience can be pleasant. And sometimes you have to wade through a little bit of garbage to get to the good stuff. And as you elevate in projects, the level of professionalism, I think, comes up too. So when you're swimming down at the bottom, I think you kind of encounter a little kind of crap here and there. But boy, oh boy, as you build up, you meet people along the way and everybody continues to keep on going up.

And these relationships continue and you watch people build their careers. and they say hey let's do let's work together again yeah i was in one of james's first films i learned so much from working with james gun and uh one of the most important things i think i learned was i'll work for this guy anytime i will work for him anytime and i have me too yeah no i love i love him i mean it's just you know i was supposed to do a small part on suicide squad i was so bummed because I just had neck surgery and I was like so bummed I couldn't do it. I just always want to go play. And I got it.

Thank you very much for that. I don't think it was TDK. It wasn't. He told me, he told me that. That's not true. Rosie couldn't make it. So too bad. You're the best.

Sorry, Rosie. You know, because we knew for James when he was like, you know, I knew him, well, you know him since before Slyther. I think I've known him for quite a while. But like, well, Slyther is where we met, James and I. You met on Slyther. We met on Slyther. I auditioned for Sleather.

And I said, where are you going to film? and he said, oh, we're going to go up to Vancouver. I said, oh, great, I'm Canadian. He said, really? Well, that was it. We'll save money. He'll live there. Matthew Jackson, do you approach motion capture acting differently from traditional acting?

Buck from Halo comes to mind as they use your likeness and voice. That was very interesting. I only did a couple of motion capture scenes. That's kind of distracting. Thank God. Oh, my God, the gentleman, far to forget his name. He's, he's brilliant. He's,

he played Luke Cage in the TV series. What was his name? Ryan. And in Halo, he's lost. Mike, Mike, what? Colter? Mike Coulter, thank you very much. What a polite gentleman.

What a classy guy. One of those guys who understands work and has it locked down. He knows how to do his job. So we're wearing these weird head gears with dots painted all over our faces. and trying to have this like totally serious conversation. Like it was odd and distracting and something I've never experienced before. So thank God for him because, boy, he can really bring the gravitas. He brings it down, man.

He is everything he says is carved in stone. It's great. But I only had to do a couple of scenes. After that, they put you in a rig with 36 cameras and they make you do all these different expressions and then all these different sounds, make an e sound like you're happy. Make an E sound like you're angry. Make an E sound like you're sad.

And all the vowels, all the, you've got to run them all through. And they learn how to puppeteer your face with all these dots and all these cameras. And then they go in and they do that later for it. So you don't have to. Do you act it out? Do you act things out? A couple of scenes I did. The rest of them I didn't.

Wow. They're literally puppeteering. Leanne, Pritchett. Who are your personal heroes, Nathan? I will say that my brother and my dad, my parents, I, these are people, I mean, we look at our parents and I think we take them for granted all the time. But if you can take a step back and see your parents for the human beings, the people that they are, see their sacrifice, see what they've done, see what they've built.

Take inventory for them, understand their journey a little bit. I'm really impressed with the I think I'm a good guy I'm really impressed by my brother and his kids are phenomenal when I would look at all this that my parents have built I'm incredibly impressed I really like my family I like hanging out with my family

that wouldn't be possible without my parents guidance they made sure that wow that's deep It's something I can't really relate to, but sort of with my grandparents. You know, my grandparents, they were that. They definitely were just always, people are always welcome there.

It was so easy to hang out with them. They were just even keeled, supportive. Yeah, that's huge. Last question here from the shit talk in Nancy Davis, what is the role you drop everything to play? And I'm going to add to that, a role you drop everything to play, or a director that you haven't worked with that you would drop everything to work with. I'm so terrible with this game

because I'm so bad with the name it's not a game this is serious Grand Budapest Hotel who who who Wes Anderson thank you

Wes Anderson thank you I would do any Wes Anderson who would you would be perfect in a movie like that I'm looking at you

now and I can just see you in a movie like that I love their kind of dramatic underplayed honesty it's almost like school play

kind of honesty it's so subtle and yet obscure and odd. I just love the tone of those films. I mean, who wouldn't you work for? Who wouldn't you work for?

There's so many people I would love to. I'd love to work with Clint Eastwood. I would love to work with Tom Cruise. I would love to work with Ben Affleck. I would love to work with, name it. How about Ryan Reynolds? Let me tell you something. I am so happy for that guy.

Ryan is one of those people who has always just been deserving. Orion has always been deserving. He works really hard. He works really, really hard. He is no stranger to dedication. And he's always been kind. That's just when I watch, when I see people succeed,

it's amazing that people can succeed. If people have that kind of success and they're deserving of it, I just feel like something's right with the world. And I love, and I marvel looking at what that man has built and who he continues to be to this day. What a gym. Yeah, he seems that way. And you guys, do you still keep in touch?

Yeah, he's a wonderful guy. He's a wonderful guy. Wow. You know, what's the, what do you think the end game is for you? Like, do you see yourself one of those guys is 94 years old having a stroke on the set and that's how it ends? Or do you retire and go move out to the middle of nowhere and you disappear at the age of You know, you said earlier that you have no interest in running away from L.A. or anything like that. And nor do I. But there will come a time when it's time for us to leave, when there will be nothing left for us here. Or if they need us, they can just call us. You know what I mean? It's like, you know what we really need is a Nathan Fillion type. Is he still acting? Because I know he's really old. And they can just call me and say, hey, would you be willing to come and do something here? Or if it's a voiceover, can do it from wherever I am and because I'll be set up. You know I will. But my plan is to,

like I said, I was interested in a, I am interested in, I'm from Canada. Western Canada is some of my favorite place in the world are in Western Canada. So I'd like to retire with a place there, but I'd also like a place off in Europe, somewhere a little warmer. I'd like a place somewhere south where I could do some easy scuba diving. I would like to have little places. I would like to have little places that I frequent and just go between travel with my brother, with my family, with what we'll all be retired or just whatever, whatever I want to have like a kind of a coast and just call me when you need me. How long is the mustache going to stay on?

It's a love-hate relationship. Have you ever done a beard or a mustache? I've had little beers and things. My mustache is kind of blonde, so it kind of looks funky. I don't look, I mean, you, that's for a real. real that's rich that's uh sort of tom sellick back in the day rich and i just trimmed it back it was it was really low it was covering my entire bottom i didn't know i could grow most so a little bit's a thrill uh i'm gonna tell it's a love-hate relationship right now i'm gonna say

i'm gonna be honest it gives me something to do and to think about that's not the pandemic and i'm just kind of all for that i've got all sorts of little hobbies and goofy things i'm doing michael i can't even tell you just something entertains me when i go look what i did well how long did that take you all told probably uh you know 36 hours but you know you don't do it in one sitting you just spread it all out but i this is the goofy stuff i'm doing are you filming things are you filming rook the rookie not right now no no the plan is to go back in the end of september but we'll see how that works out we're trying to make it safe do you think it's going to change in terms of like all the stuff that happened you know with the you know just

the movement and everything with the police and all that do you think there's going to be have to do a lot writing to sort of cater to that to be of what's happening today do you think that's going to happen with the show well we've always tried to be an aspirational show uh and i think that makes us a little different as far as the cop shows go we're trying to be just a little more what we're sure i guess what we're trying to i mean i hate to speak for the show but in trying to be a little more truthful with police shows we are although trying to be aspirational understanding and realizing now now that the experience that we are depicting is not everyone's experience. We are trying to do what is right as we all as a culture are educating ourselves and learning

as to what is the right thing to do. And that's that's our goal. What are you watching right now? What are you binging? What about? What are you binging? What am I binging? Give me that look.

Give me that look one more time. I re-watched Game of Thrones. Wow. A number of documentaries. Favorite character real quick on Game of Thrones. Favorite character? Don't say Tyrion because he's everybody's favorite. He's not my favorite.

On the count of three, we're going to say our favorites. Wait, wait, wait, give me a second. I am. I'm not going to do it right now. Got it got it right. All right. Here's this comment. We're going to go like this.

We're going to go one, two, three, the name. Ready? One, two, three, hound. I win Lannister. Oh, wow. That was a, that's a, he was intense. That icy, cold stare, I would love to work with that man. I would love to work.

I would love to work with the hound. You're a cunt. You're a cunt. Yeah, that was a good character. Oh, the hound. I just loved him. I just wanted him to, he was like, just. It's not as if the better a person you were back then, the lesser chances were of surviving.

Oh, yeah. That was such a good show. And people, you know, criticize even I. I did. I was like, what, what the hell happened in this final season? But I'll tell you what, there was a couple episodes in there that you're like, wow. So even if the final episode went to shit, it still was one of the best series, if not the best series of all time, if you ask me. Now, you see, this is where I disagree with a lot of people. I am the kind of person.

I mean, look at any beloved series. It has to come to an end. It has to come to an end. Who has ever been happy? with the end. Jim Morrison. Hasn't this been great? You asked me a question,

but you also kind of told me how to answer it, so yes. Is this great? Are you having a fun time? Hasn't it? Well, I didn't say it like that. Buddy, you look amazing. About 15 years ago, you stopped aging.

Yeah, right. I definitely don't think I look over my age, but I sometimes feel twice my age physically sometimes My back will tell me to slow down That's what happens And I think you know you always hear that It's so cliche to hear from like your grandparents

And your parents like oh you know I feel the same I don't even know why I'm 70 I don't feel 70 Tell me this When you first started on Smallville Were you like oh I want to do all my own stunts That was a problem I did a lot of them Yeah I still feel it

Oh yeah I would always even like on comedies And movies like sorority boys or this or bringing down the house or whatever, I would do my own stunts and I'd do Pratt Falls and after a while I look back and I go, I wish I wouldn't have done all those things.

There was a bit you had in sorority boys that you and the guys are fighting and there's a moment where your character is truly upset about something and he said, yeah, because I don't have calves like yours. You have these children like a slag because I don't have your calves like you just

But it was such a funny moment, but your, you, your character was so upset. Like, the honesty in it, I thank you for mentioning, sorry, boys, because... I don't think anybody saw it, but, you know, there are some people. It's a little occult. Buddy, you are very good at your job. Hey, I appreciate it. Look, you're obviously great at your job, and people love you. And, you know, I just, look, you're really, I've always admired you, and you've always been such a kind person.

And I know we don't get to see each other a ton. And maybe this is the first time in a while. But I hope I get to see a lot more of you. I think you're fantastic. And I wish you all the best, continue success. And you know, you got to give Jeff my love. And when this is over, I'd love to come and check out your collection of things in your house. You got it, buddy.

I love that it's been over 20 years and we're still connected. This tickles me. I love it. Thanks for allowing me to be inside of you today, my friend. It's called Inside of You. Anyway, I haven't said that in a while. I thought I'd say it. see you buddy

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